Is the MC-303 Pro Quality?
Mark Reda
Is the MC-303 good enough quality to use in Professional Studio
recording. I know it only has 2 outs, but is external mixing really
that necessary?
I'm asking cause I want to add a new piece to my MIDI setup (I only have
an X3), and a PC running Cakewalk Pro 5.0 and Freestyle 1.04.
Mark R.
Toronto.
geek
Yes it is a quality piece of gear. A lot of peeps say that it's not 'cause
the drum sounds are not exactly the same as the old 808/909s. They are not
(they are very close though) , but so what? If you make a phat track,
people aren't gonna say, "I'm not dancin' to that, they used an MC-303."
If the end result is good, that's what matters.
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PEACE!
gee...@dreamscape.com
Long Live Vinyl!!!!!!!!!
Keep looking, searching, seeking, finding...
Keep dancing to our perfect beat and it will help you reach your peak!
---Afrika Bambaataa
Mark Reda <mark...@shaw.wave.ca> wrote in article
<32A120...@shaw.wave.ca>...
Sturm
In article <01bbd9e3$9afa0220$6bb9...@geek01.Dreamscape.com>,
"geek" <gee...@dreamscape.com> wrote:
>Yes it is a quality piece of gear. A lot of peeps say that it's not 'cause
>the drum sounds are not exactly the same as the old 808/909s. They are not
>(they are very close though) , but so what? If you make a phat track,
>people aren't gonna say, "I'm not dancin' to that, they used an MC-303."
>If the end result is good, that's what matters.
>
no-one's gonna dance to it coz it'll sound crap. If you make a BBE/Faithless/
generic club tune with it, people'll dance the night away.
And to the original poster: of course it's top quality! Nowadays _anything_
sample based uses 16bit samples at 44100Hz, so why bother asking?
bye
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666
In article <32A120...@shaw.wave.ca>, mark...@shaw.wave.ca says...
>
>Is the MC-303 good enough quality to use in Professional Studio
>recording. I know it only has 2 outs, but is external mixing really
>that necessary?
>I'm asking cause I want to add a new piece to my MIDI setup (I only
have
>an X3), and a PC running Cakewalk Pro 5.0 and Freestyle 1.04.
>
>Mark R.
>Toronto.
>
>
It's got a 'boost' button on the back of it which you've really got
to use in order to get the best out of it.
Save your money for a Drumstation, by far a more pro choice.
O.k there's no synth sounds on it but if you buy an mc303 you'll regret
it.
It's been out here in the u.k for several months now and already the
magazines are full of ads for 2nd hand Mc303's.If that doesn't tell you
something then I don't know what will.
Good Luck.
Malky.
Mark Reda
Is the MC-303 good enough quality to use in Professional Studio
recording. I know it only has 2 outs, but is external mixing really
that necessary?
I'm asking cause I want to add a new piece to my MIDI setup (I only have
an X3), and a PC running Cakewalk Pro 5.0 and Freestyle 1.04.
$1700
Canadian (about $1500 US), besides the ESI-32 ($1350 Can.). I kinda
have my eye on the S2000 Studio and the K2000, but cant afford either.
Tell me what you know
Mark R.
Toronto.
666
There must be an easier way to figure out delay times than sitting
with a calculator,notepad and pen.
I hear there's a programme for the Mac called 'Pro-Cal' or something
like that where you punch in your bpm and it'll give you all the
information you need.
Does anyone know if there's anything similar for the P.C?If so could
one of you good people point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Please mail me direct
MA...@cqm.co.uk
Chris Smalt
Sturm wrote:
>And to the original poster: of course it's top quality! Nowadays _anything_
>sample based uses 16bit samples at 44100Hz, so why bother asking?
Hm. That doesn't tell you much. Play more than a single sound at a time,
and many instruments will turn out to have output stages that just aren't
up to the job.
Chris
Boy, is this thread cross-posted or what?
Bobby DeVito
the 303 is a good unit. i had one for a month, but the first one i had
started acting weird, so i had to get another. the 303 likes to be the
master controller, it didn't work well with our MIDI rig...it gets
triggered by all sorts of stuff, and you can't turn the received "note
ons" off! as far as the sounds go, it has good drum sounds, but the synth
sounds are a bit thin, and the filter is kind of weak. my partner would
kick on his old roland sh-09 and just obliterate the sound of the 303. and
you KNOW people are going to use the presets all over the place...i can
already hear the 303 in jingles and advertising. some people hear presets,
and their ears just kind of turn off, and i can understand why. it's
amazing that i find old synths that still have mostly factory patches in
memory all the time! the 303 Is a quality piece of gear, but sort of
limited yet....maybe the MK II will have a LOT more memory, a disk drive,
and some REAL analog sounds....then i'll be impressed!
may peace and happiness rain on you all:
bobby devito
http://www.sar.usf.edu/~devito
the official LVX NOVA ambient project homepage
"the story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye...
the story of love is hello and goodbye, until we meet again"
-James Marshall Hendrix, 9/16/70
On 1 Dec 1996, geek wrote:
> Yes it is a quality piece of gear. A lot of peeps say that it's not 'cause
> the drum sounds are not exactly the same as the old 808/909s. They are not
> (they are very close though) , but so what? If you make a phat track,
> people aren't gonna say, "I'm not dancin' to that, they used an MC-303."
> If the end result is good, that's what matters.
>
> --
> PEACE!
> gee...@dreamscape.com
> Long Live Vinyl!!!!!!!!!
> Keep looking, searching, seeking, finding...
> Keep dancing to our perfect beat and it will help you reach your peak!
> ---Afrika Bambaataa
>
> Mark Reda <mark...@shaw.wave.ca> wrote in article
> <32A120...@shaw.wave.ca>...
> > Is the MC-303 good enough quality to use in Professional Studio
> > recording. I know it only has 2 outs, but is external mixing really
> > that necessary?
> > I'm asking cause I want to add a new piece to my MIDI setup (I only have
> > an X3), and a PC running Cakewalk Pro 5.0 and Freestyle 1.04.
> >
> > Mark R.
> > Toronto.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Pete Backhouse
666 wrote:
> Save your money for a Drumstation, by far a more pro choice.
> O.k there's no synth sounds on it but if you buy an mc303 you'll regret
> it.
i don't really agree with that, depends what you want it for. i think
it's great as a scratch pad, to get your ideas together. as a sound
module it's no use yet, due to the crap midi implementation (unless this
has been fixed yet, any rom's after 1.02?) you've either got omni on or
no midi channel muting, so it's a bit pointless to use it with another
sound module. for techno/trance the sounds are pretty good, though for
really screaming acid riffs i'll always use a bass station.
--
P?
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'''
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_( Y )_ purple...@inri.demon.co.uk
(:_~*~_:)
(_)-(_) "life sucks, but you've got to laugh haven't you..."
Mark Reda
Its easy to figure out delay times so they go on beat
heres the formula... 60,000/BPM = Delay Time (on beat)
Heres an example... 60,000/135 = 444.4
If you want it every eighth note then divide the Total by 2
If you want it every 16th note divide the Orrigional total by 4
an so on...
Who needs some fancy program when all you need is a calculator, and your
computer already has one.
Mark R.
Ray Arts
Pete Backhouse <Purple...@inri.co.uk> schrijft:
> 666 wrote:
>
> > Save your money for a Drumstation, by far a more pro choice.
> > O.k there's no synth sounds on it but if you buy an mc303 you'll regret
> > it.
>
> i don't really agree with that, depends what you want it for. i think
> it's great as a scratch pad, to get your ideas together. as a sound
> module it's no use yet, due to the crap midi implementation (unless this
> has been fixed yet, any rom's after 1.02?) you've either got omni on or
> no midi channel muting, so it's a bit pointless to use it with another
> sound module. for techno/trance the sounds are pretty good, though for
> really screaming acid riffs i'll always use a bass station.
>
> --
> P?
> --
>
Hi, I own a MC303 and I am playing it with a master keyboard (Roland D-10)
I am having a lot of fun expirimenting dance music.
Together with CakeWalk it is an impressive semi-pro unit.
But, how can I check the rom version installed on the MC303 ?
Is it upgradeable ?
Thanks,
Ray.
Horacio R. Bouzas
Well, just decide for yourself. Everybody goes crazy for the TB-303 and
it was built as a toy for home enthusiasts. Bugs on the MC-303? Man, the
cutoff filter in the TB-303 is a piece of crap, that's the reason it
sounds so great!
--
Horacio Bouzas
Manager-GeoFrame Geology
Schlumberger GeoQuest
Mark Reda
To check the ROM version of the MC-303 just turn on the machine holding
the Scale, Func, and Shift buttons together.
For lots more info on the MC-303 goto
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/bdeloos/mc303/ it Rocks!
Mark R.
Mike Rivers
In article <32A365...@shaw.wave.ca> mark...@shaw.wave.ca writes:
> Is the MC-303 good enough quality to use in Professional Studio
> recording. I know it only has 2 outs, but is external mixing really
> that necessary?
Professional is as professional does. Nobody would call the Casio
SK-1 "professional" yet it has appeared on records.
If you can get a satisfactory mix of the MC-303's sounds together with
whatever else is going into your mix by using it's controls, then you
can work with the single pair of outputs. It's the preference of many
professional engineers to have separate outputs so that the mix can be
controlled all from a single place (the mixing console) - but that's
not a rule.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Elvis HAS left the airport!
Kevin Marshall
On Wed, 04 Dec 1996 19:25:13 -0500, Mark Reda <mark...@shaw.wave.ca>
wrote:
Actually, this will reset the ROM (and erase all your user patterns)
if you press enter after that (no, I didn't do that). To check the
ROM version hold down Shift + Scale + R/BD while the machine is on.
The number on the right hand side of the screen is the ROM Version.
Kevin Marshall
kbm...@psu.edu
.
On Sun, 01 Dec 1996 01:06:00 -0500, Mark Reda <mark...@shaw.wave.ca>
wrote:
The main problem is that you can't syncronise other gear to or from it
...no MIDI clock, and the knobs don't send out controller
information.....both serious omissions.
Otherwise, who gives a fuck.
cruyff
>Is the MC-303 good enough quality to use in Professional Studio
>recording. I know it only has 2 outs, but is external mixing really
>that necessary?
Bobby DeVito
for me, it's the CS1X......but it DOESN'T have a sequencer on board.
however, IMHO the sounds are far superior to those in the Mc-303, and the
filter sounds better too....it's all about what you want/need. go try them
both and let your ears tell you which to buy! :-)
peace:
bobby devito
http://www.sar.usf.edu/~devito
the official LVX NOVA ambient project homepage
"the story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye...
the story of love is hello and goodbye, until we meet again"
-James Marshall Hendrix, 9/16/70
On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Insane wrote:
> Which is a better unit?
> And Why?
> I dont know much about either.
> Tell me what you know.
>
>
Paul Nagle
Pete Backhouse <Purple...@inri.co.uk> wrote:
>has been fixed yet, any rom's after 1.02?) you've either got omni on or
>no midi channel muting, so it's a bit pointless to use it with another
Couldn't you just send out a bank select command for a non-existant
program? Cos of the daft way Roland use CC0/CC32 it's quite easy to
find one....
Might help, might not,
Paul
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Paul Nagle - pa...@softroom.demon.co.uk
www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 28/11/96)
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Pete Backhouse
Ray Arts wrote:
> Hi, I own a MC303 and I am playing it with a master keyboard (Roland D-10)
> I am having a lot of fun expirimenting dance music.
> Together with CakeWalk it is an impressive semi-pro unit.
> But, how can I check the rom version installed on the MC303 ?
[SHIFT] + [SCALE] + [R/BD]
> Is it upgradeable ?
yup. you should be able to just take it into your dealer and have it
upgraded free of charge. the current latest rom is 1.02 (as far as i
know).
checkout http://people.zeelandnet.nl/bdeloos/mc303/versions.htm for
about the best 303 home page around...
--
P?
--
F.A.V TUSSENBROEK
In article <Pine.SUN.3.93.961205012231.11081A-100000@virtu> Bobby DeVito <dev...@virtu.sar.usf.edu> writes:
>From: Bobby DeVito <dev...@virtu.sar.usf.edu>
>Subject: Re: MC-303 Vs CS1X
>Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:24:13 -0500
>for me, it's the CS1X......but it DOESN'T have a sequencer on board.
>however, IMHO the sounds are far superior to those in the Mc-303, and the
>filter sounds better too....it's all about what you want/need. go try them
>both and let your ears tell you which to buy! :-)
>peace:
I heard that the CS1xs arpeggiator can't be written to MIDI. Is that correct ?
Frank.
Paul Nagle
Bobby DeVito <dev...@virtu.sar.usf.edu> wrote:
>for me, it's the CS1X......but it DOESN'T have a sequencer on board.
>however, IMHO the sounds are far superior to those in the Mc-303, and the
>filter sounds better too....it's all about what you want/need. go try them
>both and let your ears tell you which to buy! :-)
A CS1x with an (old) Alesis MMT8 attached would be a cool option, just
not so small and convenient as a 303. N.B. The MMT8's timing is
tighter though....my 303's going back tomorrow cos of this!
Paul
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Paul Nagle - pa...@softroom.demon.co.uk
www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 05/12/96)
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Thor-Erik Rodland
Insane wrote:
>
> Which is a better unit?
> And Why?
> I dont know much about either.
> Tell me what you know.
Well, I Own a CS1x and have tried a MC-303. There is a differense. The
CS1x is a synth and MC-303 is a Groove-box. If the CS1x had a built in
sequenser they would be much the same thou the MC is quite easy to use to
get cool and powerful background groove! I consider to buy the MC-303 I
think the fit well togheter.
Bobby DeVito
you've got it paul!!! the MMT-8 and a CS1X will kick the 303's butt
soundwise and rhythmically...but for the pair it Is more expensive. for
those that want to get their feet wet with techno/electronic music, the
303 is fun, but in the final analysis the Mc-303 is little more than a
"techno mall organ" (thanks to whoever it was that coined that phrase!)
peace:
bobby devito
http://www.sar.usf.edu/~devito
the official LVX NOVA ambient project homepage
"the story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye...
the story of love is hello and goodbye, until we meet again"
-James Marshall Hendrix, 9/16/70
SPDIF
€ Which is a better unit?
€ And Why?
€ I dont know much about either.
€ Tell me what you know.
They both suck. Save your money until you can afford a 'real' synth like
a K2500 or JV2080. Believe me, it's not worth your while to get crappy
synths.
The CS1x is one of the most cheaply constructed keyboards I have ever
seen. The MC303 has gimmick written all over it. They both suck!
PKB bouwadviseurs
Well frank i heard the same. but Yamaha told it wasn't true !
I do not own a cs1x yet.
Ron
tter too....it's all about what you want/need. go try them
> >both and let your ears tell you which to buy! :-)
Pete Backhouse
Paul Nagle wrote:
> Couldn't you just send out a bank select command for a non-existant
> program? Cos of the daft way Roland use CC0/CC32 it's quite easy to
> find one....
that should certainly do it, though it would be plugging/un-plugging
midi cables i guess, and then not baing able to use those midi channels
for program changes. would mean i could actually _use_ it for now
though!
cheers!
[justin maxwell]
Insane <mark...@shaw.wave.ca> wrote:
>Which is a better unit?
cs1x
>And Why?
cs1x is a synthesizer, which allows creativity and style, the mc-303
is a toy which has a given set of sounds from which you make techno.
--
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http://pages.pomona.edu/~jmaxwell/ mechanotherapy:sats 12-2am
"In this case i think YOU are mr.stupid!" - Henning Kristiansen
Rogier Gerritse
> The main problem is that you can't syncronise other gear to or from it
> ...no MIDI clock,
Sorry, but this is not true, it can sync to other sources (midi clk). and it
sends midi clock. The arpeggiator can also be sync_ed to midi.
> and the knobs don't send out controller
> information
Yup, this REALLY sucks!
Bye, Rogier
Karl Helmer Torvmark
[justin maxwell] (jmax...@pomona.edu) wrote:
: Insane <mark...@shaw.wave.ca> wrote:
: >Which is a better unit?
: cs1x
: >And Why?
: cs1x is a synthesizer, which allows creativity and style, the mc-303
: is a toy which has a given set of sounds from which you make techno.
Now this is a bit bigoted. As I understand it, the synth engines inside the
mc-303 and the cs1x are pretty alike (Roland uses the SoundCanvas engine,
Yamaha uses their XG synth which is about the same thing).
The only difference between these two synths and their other GS/XG boxes is
that they have put dance and techno samples into them (CS1X also has the
usual XG sounds).
The other difference is the packaging. The CS1X is in an ordinary keyboard
wrapping, while the MC-303 has sort of a drum machine interface, so you
gain a basic sequencer.
To say that the MC-303 is a toy may be true, but in that case, so is the
CS1X. Both are sample-playback synths with minor tweaking abilities (no
modulation matrix on these things...). Which you prefer depends on what you
want : keyboard or sequencer. Also, the ordinary XG sounds on the CS1X
may be a plus for those who want some non-techno sounds.
Karl H.
Angelo v.d. Weerden (Weerden@CUCI.NL)
digi...@netrover.com (SPDIF) wrote:
>In article <32A62A...@shaw.wave.ca>, mark...@shaw.wave.ca wrote:
>
>€ Which is a better unit?
>€ And Why?
>€ I dont know much about either.
>€ Tell me what you know.
>
>They both suck. Save your money until you can afford a 'real' synth like
>a K2500 or JV2080. Believe me, it's not worth your while to get crappy
>synths.
Hahahaha, That is the most stupid answer i ever heard....
Which one is better? a Ford or a Volvo.....answer: better save your
money to get a Porsche, because that is a real car...other cars
suck.....jezus.
Greetings,
Angelo
(using at the moment: SY99, Wavestation EX, Kurzweil K2000, Ensoniq
ASR10, SC155, MT32, Technics AX7,DB50xg, Roland JV1080, SAM1 expander,
Nordlead, Yamaha VL-1).
Yee Jee Tso
I think for the kinda money you're going to be spending anyway, you
should save up for the sampler. I have at least two friends who have
released tracks, one of them on Eye-Q Records (yes, THE Eye-Q) and the
other on an independant label. BOTH say that without their sampler (the
Akai s2000 in these cases) they would be up sh~t creek. Entire tracks
are laid using ONLY a sampler. The Chemical Brothers, for example do
everything on an s2000 (albeit a really souped up one). Good things
come to those who wait, my friend.
Mark Reda wrote:
>
> Is the MC-303 good enough quality to use in Professional Studio
> recording. I know it only has 2 outs, but is external mixing really
> that necessary?
> I'm asking cause I want to add a new piece to my MIDI setup (I only have
> an X3), and a PC running Cakewalk Pro 5.0 and Freestyle 1.04.
> I really want to get a sampler but there is not much you can get new for
> $1700
> Canadian (about $1500 US), besides the ESI-32 ($1350 Can.). I kinda
> have my eye on the S2000 Studio and the K2000, but cant afford either.
> Tell me what you know
>
> Mark R.
> Toronto.
cafenet
Mark Reda <mark...@shaw.wave.ca> wrote:
>Is the MC-303 good enough quality to use in Professional Studio
>recording. I know it only has 2 outs, but is external mixing really
>that necessary?
>I'm asking cause I want to add a new piece to my MIDI setup (I only have
>an X3), and a PC running Cakewalk Pro 5.0 and Freestyle 1.04.
>Mark R.
>Toronto.
Hi from Spain!
I´m a DJ and I have an Mc303. If the thing that you want to do is
dance music (House, Euro, etc) you must buy it don´t worry about the
quality cause it sounds very very well. That you have to think is that
is very difficult to do a quality production with only one machine. In
a studio as you know you can find lots of synthetizers, samplers,
modules, etc. The Mc303 as I have told you it is good as base of the
sound and the prize is very interesting.
I wish that this help you.
If you have another question mail me to i...@cin.es
Bye Iñaki
Torsten Latussek
Hey!
Look at http://www.rolandcorp.com/cyber/mc303/vm303.html and have fun
;-). Theres a virtual MC-303! You can test some (not much) functions.
------------------------------------------->
Torsten....@wirtschaft.tu-chemnitz.de
http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~lto/
------------------------------------------->
[justin maxwell]
digi...@netrover.com (SPDIF) wrote:
>The CS1x is one of the most cheaply constructed keyboards I have ever
>seen. The MC303 has gimmick written all over it. They both suck!
I doubt you have really checked out the cs1x. yes, it is a bit
flimsy, meaning i would not drive a tank over it, but for $550 it does
a shitload more than most synths out there. Read the article in
Keyboard if you need more info. I am absolutely thrilled with mine
and by no means did I buy it to make instatechno.
oc
[justin maxwell]
>> I heard that the CS1xs arpeggiator can't be written to MIDI. Is that correct ?
No, the arpeggiator does not *transmit* midi. However, it can be
switched on via midi and will sync to midi clock.
Justin
Darrick West
SPDIF <digi...@netrover.com> wrote in article
<digilink-051...@ascend11.netrover.com>...
> In article <32A62A...@shaw.wave.ca>, mark...@shaw.wave.ca wrote:
> They both suck. Save your money until you can afford a 'real' synth like
> a K2500 or JV2080. Believe me, it's not worth your while to get crappy
> synths.
>
> The CS1x is one of the most cheaply constructed keyboards I have ever
> seen. The MC303 has gimmick written all over it. They both suck!
That does not answer the question. Are you implying that because of its
looks that it does work, or it does invite you to touch because you're
picky. The MC-303 was designed to have retro look and "feel" to it. I've
heard it, and was rather impressed by the sound quality, and active
filtering - resonance is back!
It's intended for dance music stuff, and it does just that - perfect for a
DJ, or dance music composer who doesn't need, nor even care about having an
arsenal of expensive gear.
[justin maxwell]
Ray Arts <oh...@redbox.org> wrote:
>Hi, I own a MC303 and I am playing it with a master keyboard (Roland D-10)
>I am having a lot of fun expirimenting dance music.
>Together with CakeWalk it is an impressive semi-pro unit.
>But, how can I check the rom version installed on the MC303 ?
>Is it upgradeable ?
Yes. When combined with any brand of Kenmore Trash Compactors, found
at any of the Sears department stores, the unit can produce more
realistic "cracking" and "crunching" sounds.
octavecat
Christopher B. Sobczak
Darrick West (agen...@erols.com) wrote:
: > They both suck. Save your money until you can afford a 'real' synth like
: > a K2500 or JV2080. Believe me, it's not worth your while to get crappy
: > synths.
Ya, umm, this is a good post..
Let's compair two WELL UNDER $1000 machines togher...
THEY SUCK COMPAIRED TO A $2,500 workstation...
Ya. thats just great. thanks for the info.
Someone here said it best when they said something to the sort of
'these idiots who always bitch about the MC303s comparired to a K2000
and the such, thats like saying 'Wich is better, a Geo Metro or a
Ford Festiva.. THEY BOTH SUCK, SAVE UNTIL YOU CAN BUY A CADDY or something'"
its just getting annoying..
Does anyone else have any REAL comparisons between the CS1X and 303?
thanx :)
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=[ Christopher Sobczak ]=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
anod...@ix.netcom.com
informant wrote:
>
> ONLY IF YOU ARE PRO QUALITY.
Finally!!! Somebody with a good answer!! I wonder why people miss such
an obvious point...strange world.
--prophei schlauteen
Mark Reda
* As the originator of this topic a week & 1/2 ago:
I was concidering buying the MC-303... Well I did.
And it is one cool box. I really like it but found it really hard to
use, that cool retro display looks good but sucks shit, it doesn't give
enough information and flexibility. its very difficult to get around and
its almost impossible to sync it to anything. I like the sounds and the
kits are amazing, the efx suck and the filters are OK. The MC-303 was
not made for dance or techno composers, it was made for DJs. This box
probably had the biggest hype of any synth related product all year, but
its not all its cracked up to be. I'm going to return it and wait until
I have enough money to buy an Akai S2000.
Well, I own a Korg X3 with the dance card and I like it, more then the
MC-303.
The Question was:
>***Is the MC-303 Pro Quality?
informant wrote:
> ONLY IF YOU ARE PRO QUALITY.
That was the best answer of all!
Over & Out,
Mark Reda.
Timothy Kelly
Hi All,
Some do consider them both toys. I dont. There are pretty obvious
design and sound differences between them, so first you need to decide
what you want and why you want it.
Both have gotten good reviews and locally here in Texas, the CS1s is
a hit, thanks to the blue color as well as the XG sounds.
I never liked the original 303, so I dont like this new one either.
So I obviously prefer the Yamaha.
Which do you like better?
Happy Holiday
Timothy Kelly
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Christopher B. Sobczak
Timothy Kelly (mid...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Some do consider them both toys. I dont. There are pretty obvious
: design and sound differences between them, so first you need to decide
: what you want and why you want it.
: Both have gotten good reviews and locally here in Texas, the CS1s is
: a hit, thanks to the blue color as well as the XG sounds.
: I never liked the original 303, so I dont like this new one either.
: So I obviously prefer the Yamaha.
: Which do you like better?
I was wondering, Does the CS1X have a sequencer?
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Sean Kelly
In article <32B2FA...@shaw.wave.ca>, mark...@shaw.wave.ca wrote:
>* As the originator of this topic a week & 1/2 ago:
>I was concidering buying the MC-303... Well I did.
>And it is one cool box. I really like it but found it really hard to
>use, that cool retro display looks good but sucks shit, it doesn't give
>enough information and flexibility. its very difficult to get around and
>its almost impossible to sync it to anything. I like the sounds and the
>kits are amazing, the efx suck and the filters are OK. The MC-303 was
>not made for dance or techno composers, it was made for DJs.
Hrm. I don't know about this. The lack of pitch control would make djing
with it pretty hard (mixing it live w/other music). Sure, you can sync it
with other midi stuff through the midi channel (at least I assume you can, I
haven't actually tried it), but that's it. If you mean it's meant for djs to
write stuff with or for live performances, I pretty much agree. I like the
kits, and the efx are pretty good (though I _really_ wish there was a separate
volume control for the active channel and a few other things), but I
definately agree that it's a pain in the ass to do stuff with. I assume
there's a learning curve associated with anything, but they really could have
made it easier to program (and the inevitable complaint about memory -- I'd be
happy if you could write over samples they included in the thing, but they're
probably in ROM).
> This box
>probably had the biggest hype of any synth related product all year, but
>its not all its cracked up to be. I'm going to return it and wait until
>I have enough money to buy an Akai S2000.
To each his own. I'm sticking with mine. It's easier for me to rationalize
dropping for an MC-303 than any of the $2000 stuff I was drooling over (but
then I'm don't do this full-time). I'd love to get a nice sequencer, but I
can't justify the cost right now. Any reccomendations on some good PC-based
MIDI software for interfacing with the 303 and one or two other things? I've
looked at Cakewalk Pro, and I've heard some good things about one or two
others, but it seems at this point that a memory upgrade for my sound board
and good software would probably be the best move right now. Suggestions??
-Sean
Robert Andrew Barrow
In article <5925mb$9...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, "Christopher B. Sobczak"
<not...@prairienet.org> writes
>I was wondering, Does the CS1X have a sequencer?
No, I dont think so, but the MC-303 does.
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Yee Jee Tso
Sean, as far as software goes try Cubase 3.0. Right out of the box it
has an audio editor with NON-destructive editing so you can sequence
your wav format samples along with a damn good MIDI sequencer for your
gear. A good program that's maybe a bit expensive ($500 CAD, $370 USD)
Devin
Hi....It boils down to what you want. I have a CS1x, a friend has the MC303. From what we have seen, the
MC303 is better if you want everything (sequencer, sound) in one package/box. But to get that, it seems you
have to sacrifice a few things. The CS1x doesn't have the nifty sequencer, but I think it offers alot more
sound wise. The real time controls have a better range, and are more "smooth" on the CS1x than the MC303.(I
mean considering both are digital) The CS1x, also offers a wider range of sounds, with the ability/option to
make your own (although not as detailed or as powerfull as say the Alesis QS6 or Korg X5D). The sequencer
in the MC303 is very easy to use, and alot of fun, but if I had to do it again, and having worked with both, I
would definately choose the CS1X in a second. You can always use a computer sequencer (like Tekknobox) to get
the MC's sequencer, or pick up an Alesis MMT-8 for pretty cheap. As for the CS1x being a toy....well...to
each his own...don't knock it untill you seriously try it. Just my opinions. Thanks
Devin
Kenneth Leong
>digi...@netrover.com (SPDIF) wrote:
>>The CS1x is one of the most cheaply constructed keyboards I have ever
>>seen. The MC303 has gimmick written all over it. They both suck!
You probably haven't even used the cs1x or had a demo of one. Not many
people say it sucks because it does not suck. It's got great sounds and
has real time expression controls which lots of other sample playback
synths lack. Not many synths suck...it just depends on the application.
Kenny L.
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Patrick Oonk
In article <eng-ktml....@reef.cs.jcu.edu.au>, eng-...@jcu.edu.au (Kenneth Leong) wrote:
>
>>digi...@netrover.com (SPDIF) wrote:
>>>The CS1x is one of the most cheaply constructed keyboards I have ever
>>>seen. The MC303 has gimmick written all over it. They both suck!
>
>
>You probably haven't even used the cs1x or had a demo of one. Not many
>people say it sucks because it does not suck. It's got great sounds and
>has real time expression controls which lots of other sample playback
>synths lack. Not many synths suck...it just depends on the application.
The cs1x is a great synth, especially for starters.
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Patrick Oonk wrote:
>
> The cs1x is a great synth, especially for starters.
>
I agree that the CS1x is a great synth. But it fails somehow as an
entry-level synth mainly because of one thing : a lot of the in-
depth programming has to be done through (N)RPN and SysEx with a
sequencer. Fortunately, I'm no MIDI-rookie and this poses not that
much of a problem for me, but I can imagine that newbies get lost
in the many sequencer-applications.
A happy CS1x-owner..
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