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Mike Scott
May 2, 2012, 6:33:20 AM5/2/12
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Slightly OT, but can't think of anywhere better to ask.
I've got a dd65 drum unit with the provided el cheapo pedals. It looks
as though the hi hat socket /might/ allow a 3-state input. At least my
reading of the HH65 specs is that it gives open/half-open/closed; and
the dd65's cheapo on/off pedal has a stereo plug attached, although
playing with the dd65's input has so far only given open/closed sounds.
I'm wondering about a diy hh65 look-alike, as the authentic yamaha one
is at silly prices.
Anyone know about this kit please? Does the dd65 use more than simple
on/off for the hi hat? How is the hh65 wired?
Thanks.
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Mike Scott (unet2 <at> [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk)
Harlow Essex England
I've got a dd65 drum unit with the provided el cheapo pedals. It looks
as though the hi hat socket /might/ allow a 3-state input. At least my
reading of the HH65 specs is that it gives open/half-open/closed; and
the dd65's cheapo on/off pedal has a stereo plug attached, although
playing with the dd65's input has so far only given open/closed sounds.
I'm wondering about a diy hh65 look-alike, as the authentic yamaha one
is at silly prices.
Anyone know about this kit please? Does the dd65 use more than simple
on/off for the hi hat? How is the hh65 wired?
Thanks.
--
Mike Scott (unet2 <at> [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk)
Harlow Essex England
Pete
May 2, 2012, 3:15:52 PM5/2/12
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In article <jnr2hh$qid$1...@dont-email.me>,
use very much: the pads don't seem to like soft touches) and it definitely
doesn't have 3-state pedals.
From what I can see on the web, the 65 isn't that much different. Nowhere
do I see any reference to anything more advanced than on/off. I'm sure
they'd shout about it if they had it!
I'd guess the HH65 pedal is designed to be compatible across the range
of electronic drumsets, so it has 3-state for them, but devolves to
2-state for the lower end. Yamaha seem to want me to sign in to look
at the manual. No way am I going to do that...!
If you want to be sure, why not just grab a stereo jack plug, solder
on three wires, and see what effect various combinations of connecting
together will do?
[I have an even more annoying problem on my Privia piano. It *has*
the capability for a half-press sustain pedal, but only though the
custom connector they supply with their own optional pedal assembly.
The jack for the standard pedal is mono, and I have no idea even what
the custom one looks like!]
-- Pete --
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Mike Scott <usen...@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>Slightly OT, but can't think of anywhere better to ask.
>
>I've got a dd65 drum unit with the provided el cheapo pedals. It looks
>as though the hi hat socket /might/ allow a 3-state input. At least my
>reading of the HH65 specs is that it gives open/half-open/closed; and
>the dd65's cheapo on/off pedal has a stereo plug attached, although
>playing with the dd65's input has so far only given open/closed sounds.
>
>I'm wondering about a diy hh65 look-alike, as the authentic yamaha one
>is at silly prices.
>
>Anyone know about this kit please? Does the dd65 use more than simple
>on/off for the hi hat? How is the hh65 wired?
What follows is only inference -- I have an ancient DD50 (that I don't
>Slightly OT, but can't think of anywhere better to ask.
>
>I've got a dd65 drum unit with the provided el cheapo pedals. It looks
>as though the hi hat socket /might/ allow a 3-state input. At least my
>reading of the HH65 specs is that it gives open/half-open/closed; and
>the dd65's cheapo on/off pedal has a stereo plug attached, although
>playing with the dd65's input has so far only given open/closed sounds.
>
>I'm wondering about a diy hh65 look-alike, as the authentic yamaha one
>is at silly prices.
>
>Anyone know about this kit please? Does the dd65 use more than simple
>on/off for the hi hat? How is the hh65 wired?
use very much: the pads don't seem to like soft touches) and it definitely
doesn't have 3-state pedals.
From what I can see on the web, the 65 isn't that much different. Nowhere
do I see any reference to anything more advanced than on/off. I'm sure
they'd shout about it if they had it!
I'd guess the HH65 pedal is designed to be compatible across the range
of electronic drumsets, so it has 3-state for them, but devolves to
2-state for the lower end. Yamaha seem to want me to sign in to look
at the manual. No way am I going to do that...!
If you want to be sure, why not just grab a stereo jack plug, solder
on three wires, and see what effect various combinations of connecting
together will do?
[I have an even more annoying problem on my Privia piano. It *has*
the capability for a half-press sustain pedal, but only though the
custom connector they supply with their own optional pedal assembly.
The jack for the standard pedal is mono, and I have no idea even what
the custom one looks like!]
-- Pete --
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Mike Scott
May 8, 2012, 6:58:55 AM5/8/12
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On 02/05/12 20:15, Pete wrote:
> In article<jnr2hh$qid$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Mike Scott<usen...@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> Slightly OT, but can't think of anywhere better to ask.
>>
>> I've got a dd65 drum unit with the provided el cheapo pedals. It looks
>> as though the hi hat socket /might/ allow a 3-state input. At least my
>> reading of the HH65 specs is that it gives open/half-open/closed; and
>> the dd65's cheapo on/off pedal has a stereo plug attached, although
>> playing with the dd65's input has so far only given open/closed sounds.
>>
>> I'm wondering about a diy hh65 look-alike, as the authentic yamaha one
>> is at silly prices.
>>
>> Anyone know about this kit please? Does the dd65 use more than simple
>> on/off for the hi hat? How is the hh65 wired?
>
> What follows is only inference -- I have an ancient DD50 (that I don't
> use very much: the pads don't seem to like soft touches) and it definitely
> doesn't have 3-state pedals.
>
> From what I can see on the web, the 65 isn't that much different. Nowhere
> do I see any reference to anything more advanced than on/off. I'm sure
> they'd shout about it if they had it!
>
> I'd guess the HH65 pedal is designed to be compatible across the range
> of electronic drumsets, so it has 3-state for them, but devolves to
> 2-state for the lower end. Yamaha seem to want me to sign in to look
> at the manual. No way am I going to do that...!
Odd; I found the hh65 manual (no signing in) - very helpful about how to
> In article<jnr2hh$qid$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Mike Scott<usen...@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> Slightly OT, but can't think of anywhere better to ask.
>>
>> I've got a dd65 drum unit with the provided el cheapo pedals. It looks
>> as though the hi hat socket /might/ allow a 3-state input. At least my
>> reading of the HH65 specs is that it gives open/half-open/closed; and
>> the dd65's cheapo on/off pedal has a stereo plug attached, although
>> playing with the dd65's input has so far only given open/closed sounds.
>>
>> I'm wondering about a diy hh65 look-alike, as the authentic yamaha one
>> is at silly prices.
>>
>> Anyone know about this kit please? Does the dd65 use more than simple
>> on/off for the hi hat? How is the hh65 wired?
>
> What follows is only inference -- I have an ancient DD50 (that I don't
> use very much: the pads don't seem to like soft touches) and it definitely
> doesn't have 3-state pedals.
>
> From what I can see on the web, the 65 isn't that much different. Nowhere
> do I see any reference to anything more advanced than on/off. I'm sure
> they'd shout about it if they had it!
>
> I'd guess the HH65 pedal is designed to be compatible across the range
> of electronic drumsets, so it has 3-state for them, but devolves to
> 2-state for the lower end. Yamaha seem to want me to sign in to look
> at the manual. No way am I going to do that...!
plug it in and zilch about what it would do. Same for the dd65 book.
>
> If you want to be sure, why not just grab a stereo jack plug, solder
> on three wires, and see what effect various combinations of connecting
> together will do?
OTOH, after a /lot/ of rummaging around after posting, I did find
http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=35256
which appears to be a rework of the hh65, offering /5/ position
switching. I've not tried this out (still building a bass pedal :-) ),
but I stuck a meter on the DD65's hi hat input stereo jack, and it does
seem to have 5V at the tip, while the ring seems to be at 2V, suggesting
it just might be able to power the hh65 at least. Whether it would do
anything useful, I know not. I'll have to solder something together and see.
As I don't play drums at all (yet - it's what I'm working towards), I'm
not at all sure what I should expect anyway from a hi hat pedal. Doesn't
exactly help!!!
>
> [I have an even more annoying problem on my Privia piano. It *has*
> the capability for a half-press sustain pedal, but only though the
> custom connector they supply with their own optional pedal assembly.
> The jack for the standard pedal is mono, and I have no idea even what
> the custom one looks like!]
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1816749.html
help?
Pete
May 8, 2012, 10:08:29 PM5/8/12
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In article <joau9g$106$1...@dont-email.me>,
said "Please enter password or create an account", or something to
that effect, and I went no further. And I do remember checking out
a Clavinova manual a couple of years back (I was curious about the
unit my brother had just bought...). Maybe I just went in the wrong way.
must be somewhat sophisticated. But your meter probing does sound a bit
hopeful!
Please post anything more you find out.
I last did a search... some five years ago. It's a fairly new post.)
Still leaves some gaps though. For a start he describes pin 1 as
being "to the right", but on my Privia the connector is oriented
fore-and-aft! The other hitch is finding the connector. I did a
bit more giigling and found another post that actually has the part
number, but they only come in lots of 500, it seems! I'll dig some
more and see if there's a more reasonable supplier, or maybe I'll
just shell out the $50 for the actual pedal unit and rework it to my
needs. (It's supposed to mate with the Privia floor stand, which
I don't have -- or want.)
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Mike Scott <usen...@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>On 02/05/12 20:15, Pete wrote:
>> In article<jnr2hh$qid$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Mike Scott<usen...@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got a dd65 drum unit with the provided el cheapo pedals. It looks
>>> as though the hi hat socket /might/ allow a 3-state input. At least my
>>> reading of the HH65 specs is that it gives open/half-open/closed; and
>>> the dd65's cheapo on/off pedal has a stereo plug attached, although
>>> playing with the dd65's input has so far only given open/closed sounds.
>>>
>> [...]
>On 02/05/12 20:15, Pete wrote:
>> In article<jnr2hh$qid$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Mike Scott<usen...@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got a dd65 drum unit with the provided el cheapo pedals. It looks
>>> as though the hi hat socket /might/ allow a 3-state input. At least my
>>> reading of the HH65 specs is that it gives open/half-open/closed; and
>>> the dd65's cheapo on/off pedal has a stereo plug attached, although
>>> playing with the dd65's input has so far only given open/closed sounds.
>>>
>> I'd guess the HH65 pedal is designed to be compatible across the range
>> of electronic drumsets, so it has 3-state for them, but devolves to
>> 2-state for the lower end. Yamaha seem to want me to sign in to look
>> at the manual. No way am I going to do that...!
>
>Odd; I found the hh65 manual (no signing in) - very helpful about how to
>plug it in and zilch about what it would do. Same for the dd65 book.
I have to admit I didn't try very hard. (:-/) I hit a screen that
>> of electronic drumsets, so it has 3-state for them, but devolves to
>> 2-state for the lower end. Yamaha seem to want me to sign in to look
>> at the manual. No way am I going to do that...!
>
>Odd; I found the hh65 manual (no signing in) - very helpful about how to
>plug it in and zilch about what it would do. Same for the dd65 book.
said "Please enter password or create an account", or something to
that effect, and I went no further. And I do remember checking out
a Clavinova manual a couple of years back (I was curious about the
unit my brother had just bought...). Maybe I just went in the wrong way.
>
>>
>> If you want to be sure, why not just grab a stereo jack plug, solder
>> on three wires, and see what effect various combinations of connecting
>> together will do?
>
>I did. Nothing particularly interesting happened.
>
>OTOH, after a /lot/ of rummaging around after posting, I did find
>http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=35256
>which appears to be a rework of the hh65, offering /5/ position
>switching. I've not tried this out (still building a bass pedal :-) ),
>but I stuck a meter on the DD65's hi hat input stereo jack, and it does
>seem to have 5V at the tip, while the ring seems to be at 2V, suggesting
>it just might be able to power the hh65 at least. Whether it would do
>anything useful, I know not. I'll have to solder something together and see.
Wow -- that schematic is a lot more complex than I'd assumed! The hh65
>>
>> If you want to be sure, why not just grab a stereo jack plug, solder
>> on three wires, and see what effect various combinations of connecting
>> together will do?
>
>I did. Nothing particularly interesting happened.
>
>OTOH, after a /lot/ of rummaging around after posting, I did find
>http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=35256
>which appears to be a rework of the hh65, offering /5/ position
>switching. I've not tried this out (still building a bass pedal :-) ),
>but I stuck a meter on the DD65's hi hat input stereo jack, and it does
>seem to have 5V at the tip, while the ring seems to be at 2V, suggesting
>it just might be able to power the hh65 at least. Whether it would do
>anything useful, I know not. I'll have to solder something together and see.
must be somewhat sophisticated. But your meter probing does sound a bit
hopeful!
Please post anything more you find out.
>
>>
>> [I have an even more annoying problem on my Privia piano. It *has*
>> the capability for a half-press sustain pedal, but only though the
>> custom connector they supply with their own optional pedal assembly.
>> The jack for the standard pedal is mono, and I have no idea even what
>> the custom one looks like!]
>
>Hmmm. Does
>http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1816749.html
>help?
Hah! Yes, it does a bit. Thanks. (Looks like I didn't miss it when
>>
>> [I have an even more annoying problem on my Privia piano. It *has*
>> the capability for a half-press sustain pedal, but only though the
>> custom connector they supply with their own optional pedal assembly.
>> The jack for the standard pedal is mono, and I have no idea even what
>> the custom one looks like!]
>
>Hmmm. Does
>http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1816749.html
>help?
I last did a search... some five years ago. It's a fairly new post.)
Still leaves some gaps though. For a start he describes pin 1 as
being "to the right", but on my Privia the connector is oriented
fore-and-aft! The other hitch is finding the connector. I did a
bit more giigling and found another post that actually has the part
number, but they only come in lots of 500, it seems! I'll dig some
more and see if there's a more reasonable supplier, or maybe I'll
just shell out the $50 for the actual pedal unit and rework it to my
needs. (It's supposed to mate with the Privia floor stand, which
I don't have -- or want.)
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Mike Scott
May 21, 2012, 11:28:20 AM5/21/12
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On 09/05/12 03:08, Pete wrote:
....
to be a simple two-state input though. Oh well, saves working out how to
flip 4 switches in quick succession I suppose:-)
....
> Please post anything more you find out.
Bad news. I bread-boarded the circuit noted earlier; the dd65 seems just
to be a simple two-state input though. Oh well, saves working out how to
flip 4 switches in quick succession I suppose:-)
Pete
May 23, 2012, 11:41:57 PM5/23/12
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In article <jpdmul$qk5$1...@dont-email.me>,
Probably a worthwhile adventure, anyway! Now we know...
-- Pete --
Mike Scott <usen...@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>On 09/05/12 03:08, Pete wrote:
>....
>> Please post anything more you find out.
>
>Bad news. I bread-boarded the circuit noted earlier; the dd65 seems just
>to be a simple two-state input though. Oh well, saves working out how to
>flip 4 switches in quick succession I suppose:-)
That's a shame. Though not entirely unexpected. I guess. (:-/)
>On 09/05/12 03:08, Pete wrote:
>....
>> Please post anything more you find out.
>
>Bad news. I bread-boarded the circuit noted earlier; the dd65 seems just
>to be a simple two-state input though. Oh well, saves working out how to
>flip 4 switches in quick succession I suppose:-)
Probably a worthwhile adventure, anyway! Now we know...
-- Pete --
Mike Scott
May 24, 2012, 11:29:30 AM5/24/12
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On 24/05/12 04:41, Pete wrote:
> In article<jpdmul$qk5$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Mike Scott<usen...@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> On 09/05/12 03:08, Pete wrote:
>> ....
>>> Please post anything more you find out.
>>
>> Bad news. I bread-boarded the circuit noted earlier; the dd65 seems just
>> to be a simple two-state input though. Oh well, saves working out how to
>> flip 4 switches in quick succession I suppose:-)
>
> That's a shame. Though not entirely unexpected. I guess. (:-/)
> Probably a worthwhile adventure, anyway! Now we know...
>
> -- Pete --
>
>
As you say, not unexpected; but sometimes one lives in hope.
> In article<jpdmul$qk5$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Mike Scott<usen...@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> On 09/05/12 03:08, Pete wrote:
>> ....
>>> Please post anything more you find out.
>>
>> Bad news. I bread-boarded the circuit noted earlier; the dd65 seems just
>> to be a simple two-state input though. Oh well, saves working out how to
>> flip 4 switches in quick succession I suppose:-)
>
> That's a shame. Though not entirely unexpected. I guess. (:-/)
> Probably a worthwhile adventure, anyway! Now we know...
>
> -- Pete --
>
>
I must say the newly constructed bass pedal is a revelation (thanks,
whoever posted the example on youtube!). To think the unit's been in
storage for several years because of a totally grotty pedal putting me
off!! I think I'll make a new hi-hat pedal anyway as well with a simple
microswitch - looked inside the existing one, and it's pretty horrid.
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