Yamaha DB50XG?? How good is it??
Quy Nguyen
Is this a decent daughter board to buy for only $199 - Canadian?
I've done a reading on many daughter boards and the DB50XG seems to be
the best buy for value.
I've also talked to many people on IRC but I'm still getting mixed
messages. Some people say go for Roland, and some people say go for
the Yamaha. I'm looking for something around $200 Canadian.
I've read all the facts about it like: 32not Polyphony, 16 parts, 4megs
of Voice Rom, No Software or Patches needed, and so on...
But still I have no idea how it actually sounds in comparison to others.
Does it have decent distorted and overdriven electric guitars?
Frederick Y Mah
Quy Nguyen <l...@bc1.com> writes:
Odd that you ask about the guitars. Since it includes a digital distortion
effect you will get much better guitars than Roland or other existing
wavetable cards. So if that's important, then choose it over the Roland.
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Kenneth Leong
fm...@widget.ecn.purdue.edu (Frederick Y Mah) writes:
>Quy Nguyen <l...@bc1.com> writes:
>>Is this a decent daughter board to buy for only $199 - Canadian?
>>I've done a reading on many daughter boards and the DB50XG seems to be
>>the best buy for value.
>>I've also talked to many people on IRC but I'm still getting mixed
>>messages. Some people say go for Roland, and some people say go for
>>the Yamaha. I'm looking for something around $200 Canadian.
>>I've read all the facts about it like: 32not Polyphony, 16 parts, 4megs
>>of Voice Rom, No Software or Patches needed, and so on...
>>But still I have no idea how it actually sounds in comparison to others.
I read a review in Future Music. It is a great card for the amount of
money you fork out on it. It is very useable indeed as you would expect
from Yamaha. It was highly rated. It is a decent board to buy. I also
heard a demo music of it. Great stuff.
Kenny L.
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Justin M. Carpenter
Frederick Y Mah (fm...@widget.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
: Quy Nguyen <l...@bc1.com> writes:
: >Is this a decent daughter board to buy for only $199 - Canadian?
: >I've done a reading on many daughter boards and the DB50XG seems to be
: >the best buy for value.
IMHO, the best internal sound for PC available. (But that's likely debatable;
just my opinion.)
: >But still I have no idea how it actually sounds in comparison to others.
: >Does it have decent distorted and overdriven electric guitars?
: Odd that you ask about the guitars. Since it includes a digital distortion
: effect you will get much better guitars than Roland or other existing
: wavetable cards. So if that's important, then choose it over the Roland.
The distorted guitar patch is superb. Clean, even, smooth distort, the classic
yahama 'bright snarl' sound. The overdriven guitar is a bit sharper and
angrier. Not to mention, the distortion parameters are quite easily modified,
so you can fine-tune it to your needs.
- Justin Carpenter
KeybdWizrd
Quy Nguyen <l...@bc1.com> wrote:\
>Is this a decent daughter board to buy for only $199 - Canadian?
>I've done a reading on many daughter boards and the DB50XG seems to be
>the best buy for value.
Absolutely. IMHO, the DB50XG (and other Yamaha XG products) are simply
AMAZING.
Michael Walthius
http://www.keybdwizrd.com
Tony Pearshouse
There's also a DB60XG which is a standalone card rather than
a daughterboard.
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Quy Nguyen
> The distorted guitar patch is superb. Clean, even, smooth distort, the classic
> yahama 'bright snarl' sound. The overdriven guitar is a bit sharper and
> angrier. Not to mention, the distortion parameters are quite easily modified,
> so you can fine-tune it to your needs.
>
> - Justin Carpenter
How do I increase distortion? I want my elec guitars to be distorted as
pissed off! :)
- Quy Nguyen
- DB50XG user
John Egan
..... Kinda interested in how it compares to say the Ensonic Elite.. I
intend to pick up a board for Midi purposes and was leaning towards the
Elite ( $165.00 .. No tax and no shipping,,, ), but I wouldn't mind
something more akin to a 'keyboard' sound......
ray...@worldaccess.nl
Aan 25-07-96 15:33, in bericht <4t7t46$d...@harpo.uccs.edu>, Justin M. Carpenter
<j...@brain.UCCS.edu> schreef:
> Frederick Y Mah (fm...@widget.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
> : Quy Nguyen <l...@bc1.com> writes:
>
> : >Is this a decent daughter board to buy for only $199 - Canadian?
> : >I've done a reading on many daughter boards and the DB50XG seems to be
> : >the best buy for value.
>
> IMHO, the best internal sound for PC available. (But that's likely debatable;
> just my opinion.)
>
> : >But still I have no idea how it actually sounds in comparison to others.
> : >Does it have decent distorted and overdriven electric guitars?
>
> : Odd that you ask about the guitars. Since it includes a digital distortion
> : effect you will get much better guitars than Roland or other existing
> : wavetable cards. So if that's important, then choose it over the Roland.
>
> The distorted guitar patch is superb. Clean, even, smooth distort, the classic
> yahama 'bright snarl' sound. The overdriven guitar is a bit sharper and
> angrier. Not to mention, the distortion parameters are quite easily modified,
> so you can fine-tune it to your needs.
>
> - Justin Carpenter
>
I have a question: is this Yamaha DB50XG Daughterboard also available as a
Synth-module? (Like, the Sound Canvas or whatever)? I think that the
Synthmodule is more expensive, but it is easier to work with...
b.xu
keybd...@aol.com (KeybdWizrd) wrote:
>
> Quy Nguyen <l...@bc1.com> wrote:\
>
> >Is this a decent daughter board to buy for only $199 - Canadian?
> >I've done a reading on many daughter boards and the DB50XG seems to be
> >the best buy for value.
>
> AMAZING.
>
> Michael Walthius
> http://www.keybdwizrd.com
As far as GM/GS (not XG) are concerned, Is it better than
Roland SCC-1 or SCB-55 ?
Eric Meijer
Quy Nguyen (l...@bc1.com) wrote:
: b.xu wrote:
: >
: Well,XG is basically GM and GS put together. I'd say that it's just as
: good if not better consider the price your paying.
The DB50XG is a decent board for its price. GS already includes GM, and
XG has a GS-compatible mode and includes more effects and tweakable
parameters. Roland tends to have better clean samples (i.e., without
effects) that sound better over wider key ranges. Last module I bought
was a Roland SC-88, which has more effects than standard GS as well. I
liked the sound better than that of Yamaha's Mu-80 (both these modules
are top models of the respective product lines). For me, acoustic
instrument samples matter a lot. People who are into electric guitars
with distortion prefer Yamaha.
If you really want to know the differences, go to a shop and _listen_.
Eric Meijer
Maurice Smith - Sun UK - Product Support Engineer - Hardware
In article 8...@mst1-11.worldaccess.nl, ray...@worldaccess.nl writes:
>
> I have a question: is this Yamaha DB50XG Daughterboard also available as a
> Synth-module? (Like, the Sound Canvas or whatever)? I think that the
> Synthmodule is more expensive, but it is easier to work with...
>
The Nearest thing to the DB50XG would be Yamaha's MU50 although in the U.K. this module is 2.5 Times the cost of a DB50XG.
Check out The Windows based XGedit Software it makes the card much more usable.
you can find it via http://www.synthzone.com/yamaha.htm
Its a shareware package, registration is around 25 pounds sterling and version 2 allows setups to be saved in Cakewalk sysex format! I'll be registering this.
Personally I think the Card is tremendous Value for money especially If you have a clean way of getting the sound out of the Card. (some sound cards are reputedly noisey). If not, It may be worth looking at the DB60XG instead.although this needs its own ISA slot.
remember there are lots of different cards out there, what you need to do is find a way to listen to them. The card came with an Audio & Midi demo CD in the U.K.
The audio files are the midi files from the cd, played through an MU50. From what my ears could tell me ;) the only difference between the sound of these and the DB50XG versions played on my computer, was that the sound of the MU50 version was a little cleaner. ( a change of sound card fixed this for me).
good luck,
Maurice.
KeybdWizrd
ray...@worldaccess.nl wrote:
>I have a question: is this Yamaha DB50XG Daughterboard also available as
a
>Synth-module? (Like, the Sound Canvas or whatever)? I think that the
>Synthmodule is more expensive, but it is easier to work with...
Yes!
A "version" of the DB50XG is also available as the Yamaha MU50 external
sound module. I have not played with one of these, however.
I _do_ have, though, a Yamaha MU80. This is the "flagship" synth module
of the Yamaha XG line, and is extremely easy to work with. All of the XG
editing parameters can be accessed via a large front-panel LCD, and the
instrument will also give you the appropriate sysex data for any parameter
edit. This makes it very, very, easy to use a sequencer like Cakewalk to
access all of the fun stuff that XG has to offer.
IMHO, The MU80 sounds phenomenal as well - it has all of the DB50XG sounds
(plus some additional ones)... the quality of most of the samples is
excellent (it has more onboard ROM than the DB50XG, obviously). You could
cut a record with an MU80 (actually, I believe Robert Miles' hit song
"Children" _was_ recorded with one).
All of this has a price, however - the MU80 lists (I believe) at $899 US,
but has a street price of around $725. For what you get, I believe this
is very reasonable. I have not priced the MU50.
Michael Walthius
http://www.keybdwizrd.com
Quy Nguyen
Stasic
Eric Meijer (tga...@sg14.chem.tue.nl) wrote:
: If you really want to know the differences, go to a shop and _listen_.
As far as PC MIDI cards go: If only I COULD!
The overwhelming majority of computer shops that I go are brain-dead
when it comes to PC sound and have nothing but Soundblasters. The few
exceptions carry only Turtle Beach in addition. I know of only one
store that carries anything else and that's a Gravis Ultrasound PNP.
None of these stores actually have anything hooked up so that you
could actually LISTEN to the quality of a card.
Most music stores that I know of appear to be giving up on selling
PC soundcards. Given that the customers there are much more serious
about sound, their emphasis are more on keyboards and sound modules.
Actually, I don't think I can be that critical because they're only
responding to market demand: Most PC people want a soundcard for
playing games. I have a friend who has an original Turtle Beach
Multisound with a Proteus synth. He doesn't use it that much
anymore because he finds it useless in DOS.
Someone should come up with an extension to General MIDI that will
also include the sounds of weapon's fire and explosions. I'm cynical
enough to believe that this would jump-start major enthusiasm for
MIDI among the masses of PC users.
You can also add car crashes to that list of sounds but I guess
that would count as an explosion. Oh..., and let's not forget the
sounds of people, animals and assorted aliens dying painful deaths.
Here's an idea to kick around: Let's come up with a list of game
sounds that one could put on a synth.
I haven't played DOOM in a while, because it's too addictive and
I've deleted all of its files from my system and from floppy disks,
but I would think that this would be an excellent starting point
for cataloging sounds that one could add to a Games-MIDI spec.
Cheers,
Edward
Frederick Y Mah
sta...@dorsai.org (Stasic) writes:
>Eric Meijer (tga...@sg14.chem.tue.nl) wrote:
>: If you really want to know the differences, go to a shop and _listen_.
>Someone should come up with an extension to General MIDI that will
>also include the sounds of weapon's fire and explosions. I'm cynical
>enough to believe that this would jump-start major enthusiasm for
>MIDI among the masses of PC users.
One of the next Win95 Directx extensions is custom sounds for MIDI if you have
a card that supports RAM. Sound FX can easily be added that way.
Eric Meijer
Stasic (sta...@dorsai.org) wrote:
: Eric Meijer (tga...@sg14.chem.tue.nl) wrote:
: : If you really want to know the differences, go to a shop and _listen_.
: As far as PC MIDI cards go: If only I COULD!
[about difficulty getting to hear sound cards]
: Most music stores that I know of appear to be giving up on selling
: PC soundcards. Given that the customers there are much more serious
: about sound, their emphasis are more on keyboards and sound modules.
Most sound cards from Yamaha and Roland have their stand-alone module
counterpart. You probably could get to hear them in a music store.
: Someone should come up with an extension to General MIDI that will
: also include the sounds of weapon's fire and explosions. I'm cynical
: enough to believe that this would jump-start major enthusiasm for
: MIDI among the masses of PC users.
Hmm, a lot of this has existed in GS for quite some time. I have an
SC-88, which has yet more effects, but it includes exposion, car breaks,
car crash, thunder, screams, streaming water, bubbling water, squeeking
door, telephone ringing, and more. Even GM has a gun shot and a
helicopter (always wondered why...).
[snip]
Eric Meijer
Michal Doniec
Hi !
On 1 Aug 1996 13:15:25 -0400, oconn...@aol.com (Oconnell78) wrote:
>:-|Is this board the one called the Waveforce or something? I was wondering
>:-|if
>:-|the drums on this thing are any good. I've got the Roland SCB-55, and I
>:-|personally
>:-|think the drums blow (except for the tr-808 set). They sound really
>:-|stupid.
>:-|Does the DB50XG have any techno-ish drums? Or do the drums on this module
>:-|suck like all the rest of the cheap wave table modules?
Well, I think no - there is a analog drum set - it not suck imho :),
but it's only cheap imitation - only for home use (I use it as
notepad, then translate it to 909 samples on K2500RS).
If you need real drums get 808 or 909 or Novation Drumstation. But
remember - DB50XG is only a computer soundcard - don't except too
much, and there are a lot of good sounds - its power/price performance
is excellent. I have Roland JV1080 with dance and vintage cards - this
$1500 module hasn't good drum sounds too :) (for me :) )
Michal chaos works
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http://www.eskimo.com/~morlok/xg_info.html
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Oconnell78
Is this board the one called the Waveforce or something? I was wondering
the drums on this thing are any good. I've got the Roland SCB-55, and I
think the drums blow (except for the tr-808 set). They sound really
John O'Connell
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Justin M. Carpenter
Stasic (sta...@dorsai.org) wrote:
: Someone should come up with an extension to General MIDI that will
: also include the sounds of weapon's fire and explosions. I'm cynical
: enough to believe that this would jump-start major enthusiasm for
: MIDI among the masses of PC users.
I don't think that'd be a terribly good idea, for the simple reason that --
well, for the standard to be used effectively, EVERY game would draw from
the same bank of screams and explosions. It'd sound pretty tiresome after a
while.
Sure, you could import your own sounds, on a good card -- but that'd just
duplicate loading in WAV's and playing 'em back, just like D**M and all those
games already do.
The 'standard' would only limit game programmers and players, not help
them. Heck, my biggest complaint about D**M (which I don't play, gives me
motion sickness, but my last apartment-mate did) is that the screams and
gurgles were so sickeningly redundant. All I heard in my last year of college
was "(boom-chika-boomachika-rhythmrhythmrhythm) ARGH! BLAMBLAMBLAM(boomachika-
boom-chika)BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM ARGH! ARGH! argh! ARGH! ARGH! BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM
wwwWWWWWWWMMMMMMMmmmm ARGH! ARGH! ARGH!"
The last thing games need is more redundant sound, IMHO. Encourage game
designers to sample miles of digitized audio! (Or at least more than three
or four, or even ten, canned screams.)
- Justin Carpenter
Marcel Kral
Eric Meijer wrote:
> Even GM has a gun shot and a
> helicopter (always wondered why...).
^
To make music like Pink Floyd in "The Wall"? :-)
Marcel
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