WiFi Sync to iTunes

[Jan Groshan]

Does iTunes need to be running on my PC in order for the wifi sync to work?
I know the computer needs to be on, but ot sure if I need to have iTunes
open.

[Jumbo Jack]

"Jan Groshan" <jan...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:LaKdnamYLIstGVXT...@giganews.com...

> Does iTunes need to be running on my PC in order for the wifi sync to
> work? I know the computer needs to be on, but ot sure if I need to have
> iTunes open.
>
>

Can WiFi be used to connect to iTunes and sync data. The manual seems to
imply hard (usb)connection only for syncing. Maybe I am wrong.

[Gerry]

In article <XKKdnV4A0PquPlXT...@bt.com>,

iOS 5 brings you WiFi syncing

[David Empson]

iTunes must be running.

If I manually initiate a Wi-Fi sync on the device while my computer is
on but iTunes is not running, the Settings app says 'Sync will resume
when "<computer_name>" is available.'

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[gree...@neo.rr.com]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:44:51 -0800, "Jan Groshan" <jan...@pacbell.net>
wrote:

>Does iTunes need to be running on my PC in order for the wifi sync to work?
>I know the computer needs to be on, but ot sure if I need to have iTunes
>open.
>

Yes. iTunes must be up.

[Jan]

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <XKKdnV4A0PquPlXT...@bt.com>,
> "Jumbo Jack" <M...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>

>> Can WiFi be used to connect to iTunes and sync data.
>

> Yes, with iTunes 10.5 and iOS 5.



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JanG
Ok...so then, what is the purpose of syncing with iTunes? Is I have it open
on my computer it's just as easy for me to connect via USB!

[Brian]

When using WiFi and iTunes to sync data is there any indication on the
mobile device when the syncing had been completed or is this done in the
background? I wouldn't want to turn off my iPad when the syncing of data
was not complete.


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Regards Brian

[Alan Browne]

On the iPhone there is a little sync symbol (circle of two arrows
chasing ea. other) spinning in the top bar. I'd guess it's the same on
the iPad.


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In article
<747323248343524607.3...@free.teranews.com>,

Just curious; why would you ever turn your iPad off?

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In article
<747323248343524607.3...@free.teranews.com>,
Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:

> "Jan Groshan" <jan...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > Does iTunes need to be running on my PC in order for the wifi sync to work?
> > I know the computer needs to be on, but ot sure if I need to have iTunes
> > open.
>
> When using WiFi and iTunes to sync data is there any indication on the
> mobile device when the syncing had been completed or is this done in the
> background?

It happens in the background, and there is a little indicator on the
status bar at the top of the screen.

> I wouldn't want to turn off my iPad when the syncing of data
> was not complete.

The iPad will go to sleep automatically when it is idle. You should
never need to turn it off.

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[Jan]

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article

> <1205167567343516028.42...@news.giganews.com>,

> Jan <jan...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Can WiFi be used to connect to iTunes and sync data.
>>>
>>> Yes, with iTunes 10.5 and iOS 5.
>>

>> Ok...so then, what is the purpose of syncing with iTunes? Is I have it
>> open on my computer it's just as easy for me to connect via USB!
>

> Whether you sync via WiFi or with USB, it's done with iTunes. If you sync
> with USB, you have to have the iPad (or iPhone) close enough to the
> computer to connect them with the USB cable. If you use WiFi, the iPad can
> be anywhere so long as it is connected to your router via WiFi.



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Well, since I would not ordinarily keep iTunes open on my computer I would
have to go upstairs to turn it on, so I may as well take my iDevices with
me and plug them in.

[Brian]

Tom Stiller <tom_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article
> <747323248343524607.3...@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> "Jan Groshan" <jan...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> Does iTunes need to be running on my PC in order for the wifi sync to work?
>>> I know the computer needs to be on, but ot sure if I need to have iTunes
>>> open.
>>
>> When using WiFi and iTunes to sync data is there any indication on the
>> mobile device when the syncing had been completed or is this done in the
>> background? I wouldn't want to turn off my iPad when the syncing of data
>> was not complete.
>
> Just curious; why would you ever turn your iPad off?

To save on battery power.
I have always thought that when it auto turns off then it's in a standby
mode and is using battery power....but maybe this is not the case as
another post has pointed out.



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Regards Brian

[Howard Brazee]

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:53:34 GMT, Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:

>> Just curious; why would you ever turn your iPad off?
>
>To save on battery power.
>I have always thought that when it auto turns off then it's in a standby
>mode and is using battery power....but maybe this is not the case as
>another post has pointed out.

In my house (where I'd be wanting the WiFi sync to iTunes), I plug my
iPad into a recharging stand in my living room.

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[nospam]

In article
<1145476908343565182....@free.teranews.com>, Brian

<bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:

> > Just curious; why would you ever turn your iPad off?
>
> To save on battery power.
> I have always thought that when it auto turns off then it's in a standby
> mode and is using battery power....but maybe this is not the case as
> another post has pointed out.

it's definitely not the case. it uses negligibly more power than if it
was fully off and it should easily last several weeks in standby, maybe
more.

however, if you have an app running in the background, such as the ipod
app or a music streaming app, that app will continue to run while in
standby and then it won't last quite as long. apple claims 140 hours
for the ipod app with the display off.

[Allistar]

Michelle Steiner wrote:

> In article <XKKdnV4A0PquPlXT...@bt.com>,
> "Jumbo Jack" <M...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>

>> Can WiFi be used to connect to iTunes and sync data.
>

> Yes, with iTunes 10.5 and iOS 5.

You also need the latest version of MacOS. Earlier versions do not support
wifi syncing even if iTunes and iOS is on the right version.

Which means I cannot wifi sync my "i" devices.
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In article <gKGdnSZYnevtWlPT...@giganews.com>, Allistar

<m...@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

> >> Can WiFi be used to connect to iTunes and sync data.
> >
> > Yes, with iTunes 10.5 and iOS 5.
>
> You also need the latest version of MacOS. Earlier versions do not support
> wifi syncing even if iTunes and iOS is on the right version.

you do not need the latest mac os x. wifi sync works with 10.6.8 as
well as any version of 10.7 (currently 10.7.2).

[Allistar]

Ok, you don't need the latest version, but you need at least 10.6.8.
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[David Empson]

Allistar <m...@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

> Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
> > In article <XKKdnV4A0PquPlXT...@bt.com>,
> > "Jumbo Jack" <M...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Can WiFi be used to connect to iTunes and sync data.
> >
> > Yes, with iTunes 10.5 and iOS 5.
>
> You also need the latest version of MacOS. Earlier versions do not support
> wifi syncing even if iTunes and iOS is on the right version.

That is not correct. I'm able to use Wi-Fi sync between iTunes 10.5 and
my iOS devices running iOS 5, and my Mac is running Mac OS X 10.6.8.

As far as I know, Wi-Fi sync is supported on all versions of Mac OS X
which are supported by iTunes 10.5, i.e. Mac OS X 10.5 or later (10.5.8
might be needed for other reasons, e.g. iPad compatibility).

You are probably confusing Wi-Fi sync with iCloud support. Syncing data
such as contacts and calendars between an iOS device and Mac via iCloud
requires the Mac to to be running Mac OS X 10.7.2 or later.

> Which means I cannot wifi sync my "i" devices.

Have you tried?

To enable Wi-Fi sync, you must first plug the iOS device into the
computer via the standard USB to dock cable. In iTunes, select the iOS
device in the left column, then on the Summary tab scroll down to the
Options subheading and enable the setting "Sync with this iPhone over
Wi-Fi" (similarly named for the iPad and iPod Touch), then click the
Apply button. This will do another sync via USB. After that sync is
complete, can unplug the device.

Subsequently, the device will automatically initiate a Wi-Fi sync with
iTunes when it is plugged into power, if it hasn't done a sync within
the last 24 hours. The computer has to be awake and running iTunes for
the sync to occur, and the iOS device and computer have to be on the
same local network (bridging between Ethernet and Wi-Fi is OK).

(I haven't done extensive tests, but I expect that if iTunes is not
running or the computer is asleep or shut down, then when it wakes up
and is running iTunes, a delayed Wi-Fi sync will occur immediately if
the iOS device is plugged into power.)

You can manually initiate a Wi-Fi sync from iTunes by selecting the iOS
device in the left column and clicking the Sync button.

You can manually initiate a Wi-Fi sync from the iOS device by going into
the Settings app, then General, then iTunes Wi-Fi Sync, and click the
Sync Now button. (This screen also shows the status of any sync in
progress, including USB sync.)

Manually initiated Wi-Fi sync doesn't require the device to be plugged
into a power source, but if the battery is low you should plug the
device into a power source so the sync isn't interrupted by the device
powering down.

USB sync will still work if you plug the iOS device into the computer.

(I normally do USB syncs for my iPhone since it is often being used for
tethering, but it occasionally syncs via Wi-Fi. My iPad is probably
going to sync via Wi-Fi more often than via USB.)

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dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Allistar]

David Empson wrote:

> Allistar <m...@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:
>
>> Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>
>> > In article <XKKdnV4A0PquPlXT...@bt.com>,
>> > "Jumbo Jack" <M...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Can WiFi be used to connect to iTunes and sync data.
>> >
>> > Yes, with iTunes 10.5 and iOS 5.
>>
>> You also need the latest version of MacOS. Earlier versions do not
>> support wifi syncing even if iTunes and iOS is on the right version.
>
> That is not correct. I'm able to use Wi-Fi sync between iTunes 10.5 and
> my iOS devices running iOS 5, and my Mac is running Mac OS X 10.6.8.

I believe my Mac is running an earlier version than 10.6.8. I can't check
right now as I don't have access to it.

> As far as I know, Wi-Fi sync is supported on all versions of Mac OS X
> which are supported by iTunes 10.5, i.e. Mac OS X 10.5 or later (10.5.8
> might be needed for other reasons, e.g. iPad compatibility).

I have iTunes 10.5 installed.

> You are probably confusing Wi-Fi sync with iCloud support. Syncing data
> such as contacts and calendars between an iOS device and Mac via iCloud
> requires the Mac to to be running Mac OS X 10.7.2 or later.
>
>> Which means I cannot wifi sync my "i" devices.
>
> Have you tried?

Yes, the "Sync using wifi" option in iTunes is not available on the
"Summary" screen for the iPad/iPhone/iPod.

> To enable Wi-Fi sync, you must first plug the iOS device into the
> computer via the standard USB to dock cable. In iTunes, select the iOS
> device in the left column, then on the Summary tab scroll down to the
> Options subheading and enable the setting "Sync with this iPhone over
> Wi-Fi" (similarly named for the iPad and iPod Touch), then click the
> Apply button. This will do another sync via USB. After that sync is
> complete, can unplug the device.

The "Sync with this iPhone over Wi-fi" option is not there. Apple forums
have suggested this is because of the MacOS version.

> Subsequently, the device will automatically initiate a Wi-Fi sync with
> iTunes when it is plugged into power, if it hasn't done a sync within
> the last 24 hours. The computer has to be awake and running iTunes for
> the sync to occur, and the iOS device and computer have to be on the
> same local network (bridging between Ethernet and Wi-Fi is OK).
>
> (I haven't done extensive tests, but I expect that if iTunes is not
> running or the computer is asleep or shut down, then when it wakes up
> and is running iTunes, a delayed Wi-Fi sync will occur immediately if
> the iOS device is plugged into power.)
>
> You can manually initiate a Wi-Fi sync from iTunes by selecting the iOS
> device in the left column and clicking the Sync button.
>
> You can manually initiate a Wi-Fi sync from the iOS device by going into
> the Settings app, then General, then iTunes Wi-Fi Sync, and click the
> Sync Now button. (This screen also shows the status of any sync in
> progress, including USB sync.)
>
> Manually initiated Wi-Fi sync doesn't require the device to be plugged
> into a power source, but if the battery is low you should plug the
> device into a power source so the sync isn't interrupted by the device
> powering down.
>
> USB sync will still work if you plug the iOS device into the computer.
>
> (I normally do USB syncs for my iPhone since it is often being used for
> tethering, but it occasionally syncs via Wi-Fi. My iPad is probably
> going to sync via Wi-Fi more often than via USB.)

All well and good if the option in itunes to sync over wifi was there to be
selected.
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[nospam]

In article <1kbaf19.gwn9sn1wmm6n3N%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson

<dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> > >> Can WiFi be used to connect to iTunes and sync data.
> > >
> > > Yes, with iTunes 10.5 and iOS 5.
> >
> > You also need the latest version of MacOS. Earlier versions do not support
> > wifi syncing even if iTunes and iOS is on the right version.
>
> That is not correct. I'm able to use Wi-Fi sync between iTunes 10.5 and
> my iOS devices running iOS 5, and my Mac is running Mac OS X 10.6.8.
>
> As far as I know, Wi-Fi sync is supported on all versions of Mac OS X
> which are supported by iTunes 10.5, i.e. Mac OS X 10.5 or later (10.5.8
> might be needed for other reasons, e.g. iPad compatibility).

wifi sync requires 10.6.8 or later. it will not work 10.6.7 or earlier.

i don't know if it will work in 10.5.x but i highly doubt it.

> You are probably confusing Wi-Fi sync with iCloud support. Syncing data
> such as contacts and calendars between an iOS device and Mac via iCloud
> requires the Mac to to be running Mac OS X 10.7.2 or later.
>
> > Which means I cannot wifi sync my "i" devices.
>
> Have you tried?

yes.

[David Empson]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <1kbaf19.gwn9sn1wmm6n3N%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
> <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>
> > > >> Can WiFi be used to connect to iTunes and sync data.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, with iTunes 10.5 and iOS 5.
> > >
> > > You also need the latest version of MacOS. Earlier versions do not support
> > > wifi syncing even if iTunes and iOS is on the right version.
> >
> > That is not correct. I'm able to use Wi-Fi sync between iTunes 10.5 and
> > my iOS devices running iOS 5, and my Mac is running Mac OS X 10.6.8.
> >
> > As far as I know, Wi-Fi sync is supported on all versions of Mac OS X
> > which are supported by iTunes 10.5, i.e. Mac OS X 10.5 or later (10.5.8
> > might be needed for other reasons, e.g. iPad compatibility).
>
> wifi sync requires 10.6.8 or later. it will not work 10.6.7 or earlier.

Where does Apple specify that? I couldn't find anything.

Nothing is mentioned in the iOS 5 feature summary, nor in iTunes system
requirements, nor the iTunes installer readme, nor the iPhone technical
specs, nor did anything pop out from a search on Apple's site for "Wi-Fi
Sync".

The implication from Apple's web site is that it works on all system
versions which support iTunes 10.5.

That's either bad documentation, or a bug in iTunes. Worthy of a bug
report from someone who cares more about it than me.

> i don't know if it will work in 10.5.x but i highly doubt it.

Some comments I've found suggest it doesn't, but there may have been
other issues which caused the problem. Not enough clear problem
reporting out there.

I found some comments implying that 10.6.7 didn't work: the option
appeared after updating to 10.6.8 (assuming it wasn't just that a reboot
was required after installing iTunes 10.5 before the option would
appear).

On that basis, sorry for the misinformation Allistar.

Hard for me to test without a spare iOS device, as I don't particularly
want to mess with syncing.

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[Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu]

dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) writes:

> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <1kbaf19.gwn9sn1wmm6n3N%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
> > <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> >
> > > That is not correct. I'm able to use Wi-Fi sync between iTunes
> > > 10.5 and my iOS devices running iOS 5, and my Mac is running Mac
> > > OS X 10.6.8.
> > >
> > > As far as I know, Wi-Fi sync is supported on all versions of Mac OS X
> > > which are supported by iTunes 10.5, i.e. Mac OS X 10.5 or later (10.5.8
> > > might be needed for other reasons, e.g. iPad compatibility).
> >
> > wifi sync requires 10.6.8 or later. it will not work 10.6.7 or earlier.
>

> I found some comments implying that 10.6.7 didn't work: the option
> appeared after updating to 10.6.8 (assuming it wasn't just that a reboot
> was required after installing iTunes 10.5 before the option would
> appear).

If Apple had to update 10.6.7 to get Wi-Fi sync to work, they
presumably would have had to update 10.5.8 to get it to work with
Leopard.

Martin

[Davoud]

Michelle Steiner:

> In case you missed my message about it:
>
> <http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4062>

Interesting. Windows backward compatibility extends some years beyond
that of Mac OS--XP vs. 10.6.8.

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[David Empson]

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iTunes 10.5 and iOS 5 were released several months after 10.6.8, so it
wasn't obvious that there was anything specific to Wi-Fi Sync in 10.6.8.

In any case, Michelle found a link to Apple's page describing that Wi-Fi
Sync requires 10.6.8 or 10.7. For some reason a search on Apple's site
didn't find it for me. (It was in the bottom drawer of a locked filing
cabinet in a room in the basement with a sign on the door saying "Beware
of the Leopard"!)

<http://support.apple.com/kb/ts4062>

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[David Empson]

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <1kbamca.pp66ir1loeh8xN%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>,

> dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
>
> > > wifi sync requires 10.6.8 or later. it will not work 10.6.7 or earlier.
> >
> > Where does Apple specify that? I couldn't find anything.
>

> In case you missed my message about it:
>
> <http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4062>

I wrote my message before you posted that.

I didn't find that article when I used the search field on Apple's web
site and typed in "Wi-Fi Sync".

Aha. Mystery solved. The search field on the main page of Apple's web
site doesn't search the support pages on Apple's web site. Good grief.
Back to my old habit of using Google to search Apple's site.

In addition, that link didn't work when I first tried it for some reason
(Apple's site reported a 404 error). It did work if I changed the "TS"
to lower case.

It started working with an upper case "TS" after I clicked on the link
from the search results page. It seems to work subsequently (including
on other devices via different Internet connections, which I hadn't
tried before).

Might have been be a caching issue at my ISP's web proxy, or a problem
with my local Akemai mirror.

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dem...@actrix.gen.nz

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In article <1kbc20w.7y4sdqst34dkN%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson

<dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> In addition, that link didn't work when I first tried it for some reason
> (Apple's site reported a 404 error). It did work if I changed the "TS"
> to lower case.
>
> It started working with an upper case "TS" after I clicked on the link
> from the search results page. It seems to work subsequently (including
> on other devices via different Internet connections, which I hadn't
> tried before).
>
> Might have been be a caching issue at my ISP's web proxy, or a problem
> with my local Akemai mirror.

apple broke something at their end. i'm getting 404s on all technote
links, whether it's a link in an article, a saved bookmark or from a
google search. changing the case makes no difference.