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JF Mezei
Oct 16, 2012, 3:46:49 PM10/16/12
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On 12-10-16 13:02, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> The invitation doesn't give any hints as to what will be revealed, saying
> only "We've got a little more to show you."
>
> Of course, the "little" in that sentence might be a hint.
Tim Cook will drop his pants ? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) <ducking>
My guess is that it may be more of a blockbuster event with many product
launches that would be far more important than the iphone5 launch. My
gut tells me that the "little" is a big understatement.
> The invitation doesn't give any hints as to what will be revealed, saying
> only "We've got a little more to show you."
>
> Of course, the "little" in that sentence might be a hint.
Tim Cook will drop his pants ? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) <ducking>
My guess is that it may be more of a blockbuster event with many product
launches that would be far more important than the iphone5 launch. My
gut tells me that the "little" is a big understatement.
Phillip Helbig---undress to reply
Oct 16, 2012, 4:01:01 PM10/16/12
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In article <507db9ab$0$37932$c3e8da3$9dec...@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> writes:
> On 12-10-16 13:02, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
> > The invitation doesn't give any hints as to what will be revealed, saying
> > only "We've got a little more to show you."
> >
> > Of course, the "little" in that sentence might be a hint.
>
> Tim Cook will drop his pants ? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) <ducking>
No, it's the other chap who named his company MicroSoft. :-)
> On 12-10-16 13:02, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
> > The invitation doesn't give any hints as to what will be revealed, saying
> > only "We've got a little more to show you."
> >
> > Of course, the "little" in that sentence might be a hint.
>
> Tim Cook will drop his pants ? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) <ducking>
Your Name
Oct 16, 2012, 4:32:13 PM10/16/12
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In article <507db9ab$0$37932$c3e8da3$9dec...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
uses a coloured background above the Apple logo (reminiscent of the
original Apple logo colours), which could be an indication of the rumoured
multiple colour options.
There is also some pixelated "steam" which could be a hint at the new
Retina 13" MacBook Pro or even Retina iMac (although very unlikely).
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JF Mezei
Oct 16, 2012, 4:54:26 PM10/16/12
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On 12-10-16 16:32, Your Name wrote:
> The word "little" very likely means the iPad Mini.
The way I see the "i have a little more to show you" is more akin to an
> The word "little" very likely means the iPad Mini.
understatement done on purpose to really impress when people see the
full breath of the announcement.
It is too easy to infer "little" = Ipad Mini. I would hope Apple is a
tad more subtle than that :-)
BTW, any bets on the pricing of the Ipad Mini ?
Paul Sture
Oct 16, 2012, 5:06:49 PM10/16/12
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In article <k5kedt$7aj$1...@online.de>,
hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply)
wrote:
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/16/surface_pricing_details/>
"Microsoft has some accessories that will bump up the total price. If
you want a cover that isn't black "so customers can express their
personal style," as Microsoft puts it that'll set you back $119.99."
Looks like someone at MS is expecting customers to bend over and take it.
They might be disappointed :-)
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Paul Sture
hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply)
wrote:
"Microsoft has some accessories that will bump up the total price. If
you want a cover that isn't black "so customers can express their
personal style," as Microsoft puts it that'll set you back $119.99."
Looks like someone at MS is expecting customers to bend over and take it.
They might be disappointed :-)
--
Paul Sture
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Wes Groleau
Oct 16, 2012, 9:57:41 PM10/16/12
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On 10-16-2012 17:06, Paul Sture wrote:
> Looks like someone at MS is expecting customers to bend over and take it.
>
> They might be disappointed:-)
Yep. They'll find a torrent and _take_ it.
> Looks like someone at MS is expecting customers to bend over and take it.
>
> They might be disappointed:-)
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Howard S Shubs
Oct 16, 2012, 10:10:04 PM10/16/12
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In article <michelle-D92B96...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> It's now official; invitations have been sent to the press. It will be at
> 1 PM EDT (10 AM PDT) at the California Theater in San Jose.
I expect the mini-iPod. Big whoop(s).
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> It's now official; invitations have been sent to the press. It will be at
> 1 PM EDT (10 AM PDT) at the California Theater in San Jose.
I expect the mini-iPod. Big whoop(s).
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We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass. - The Youngbloods
Those who eat natural foods die of natural causes. - Kperspective
Your Name
Oct 17, 2012, 1:52:00 AM10/17/12
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In article <507dc983$0$63554$c3e8da3$e408...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
> BTW, any bets on the pricing of the Ipad Mini ?
I think I read the other day that the "experts" are saying US$299.
<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 12-10-16 16:32, Your Name wrote:
>
> > The word "little" very likely means the iPad Mini.
>
> The way I see the "i have a little more to show you" is more akin to an
> understatement done on purpose to really impress when people see the
> full breath of the announcement.
>
> It is too easy to infer "little" = Ipad Mini. I would hope Apple is a
> tad more subtle than that :-)
Apple invitations are subtle?? Since when? ;-)
> On 12-10-16 16:32, Your Name wrote:
>
> > The word "little" very likely means the iPad Mini.
>
> The way I see the "i have a little more to show you" is more akin to an
> understatement done on purpose to really impress when people see the
> full breath of the announcement.
>
> It is too easy to infer "little" = Ipad Mini. I would hope Apple is a
> tad more subtle than that :-)
> BTW, any bets on the pricing of the Ipad Mini ?
Your Name
Oct 17, 2012, 1:53:51 AM10/17/12
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In article
<howard-9A70DD....@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu>, Howard S
<howard-9A70DD....@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu>, Howard S
Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:
> In article <michelle-D92B96...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> > It's now official; invitations have been sent to the press. It will be at
> > 1 PM EDT (10 AM PDT) at the California Theater in San Jose.
>
> I expect the mini-iPod. Big whoop(s).
Mini-ipod?? Wasn't that already released just a couple of weeks ago. ;-)
> In article <michelle-D92B96...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> > It's now official; invitations have been sent to the press. It will be at
> > 1 PM EDT (10 AM PDT) at the California Theater in San Jose.
>
> I expect the mini-iPod. Big whoop(s).
JF Mezei
Oct 17, 2012, 3:12:11 AM10/17/12
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What Tim cook needs to do:
Hide the new hardware behind an automated door controlled by an iPhone.
Tim Cook then says "open the iPod bay doors Siri ..."
Siri responds: " I'm affraid I can't do that Tim...."
Paul Sture
Oct 17, 2012, 4:22:15 AM10/17/12
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In article <507e5a4c$0$6289$c3e8da3$dbd...@news.astraweb.com>,
:-)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius_Cybernetics_Corporation#Sirius_Cyber
netics_Corporation>
--
Paul Sture
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius_Cybernetics_Corporation#Sirius_Cyber
netics_Corporation>
--
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zulu
Oct 17, 2012, 4:41:28 AM10/17/12
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"JF Mezei" <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
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I'm still trying to find a use for Siri...
Stupid name!
They should have called it Johnny...
(Appleseed)
--
zulu
Michael Eyd
Oct 17, 2012, 5:14:01 AM10/17/12
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or incorrect answers from a female... ;-)
Best regards,
Michael
zulu
Oct 17, 2012, 5:58:56 AM10/17/12
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"Michael Eyd" <inv...@eyd.de> wrote in message
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"I don't know what that means...would you like me to search the web for
*What ssex are you?"
"Not now.... Are you male or female?"
"I don;t know. Let mecheck on that."
Hahahahaha
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Cyber Trekker
Oct 17, 2012, 8:22:29 AM10/17/12
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zulu
Oct 17, 2012, 9:54:51 AM10/17/12
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"Michelle Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
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> In article <k5lssp$6c1$1...@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <inv...@eyd.de>
> wrote:
>
>> > I'm still trying to find a use for Siri...
>> >
>> > Stupid name!
>> >
>> > They should have called it Johnny... (Appleseed)
>>
>> But men are much more willing to accept problems understanding a request
>> or incorrect answers from a female... ;-)
>
> In some countries, Siri has a male voice.
>
>> > I'm still trying to find a use for Siri...
>> >
>> > Stupid name!
>> >
>> > They should have called it Johnny... (Appleseed)
>>
>> But men are much more willing to accept problems understanding a request
>> or incorrect answers from a female... ;-)
>
Yes, here in the UK it's male..
FFS why does it need a sex change in mid Atlantic!
That is _so_ typically Apple!
I wonder what makes them tick sometimes!
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zulu
zulu
Oct 17, 2012, 9:59:36 AM10/17/12
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news:michelle-95EE62...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <wjvfs.46683$oA3....@fx19.am4>,
> have
> genders. I do not."
>
> When I asked, "What is your sex?" it replied, "I'm not allowed to divulge
> that information."
>
> Try "How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck
> wood?" It has a bunch of answers.
>
....but is it any _use_?
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zulu
> In article <wjvfs.46683$oA3....@fx19.am4>,
> "zulu" <zulu.romeo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> I just asked SiriL "What sex are you?"
>>
>> "I don't know what that means...would you like me to search the web for
>> *What ssex are you?"
>>
>> "Not now.... Are you male or female?"
>>
>> "I don;t know. Let mecheck on that."
>
> Ask again; it has a number of replies. I just got, "Animals and nouns
>
>> I just asked SiriL "What sex are you?"
>>
>> "I don't know what that means...would you like me to search the web for
>> *What ssex are you?"
>>
>> "Not now.... Are you male or female?"
>>
>> "I don;t know. Let mecheck on that."
>
> have
> genders. I do not."
>
> When I asked, "What is your sex?" it replied, "I'm not allowed to divulge
> that information."
>
> Try "How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck
> wood?" It has a bunch of answers.
>
....but is it any _use_?
--
zulu
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AV3
Oct 17, 2012, 10:12:11 AM10/17/12
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On Oct/17/2012 4:4128 AM, zulu wrote:
> "JF Mezei"<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> news:507e5a4c$0$6289$c3e8da3$dbd...@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>> What Tim cook needs to do:
>>
>> Hide the new hardware behind an automated door controlled by an iPhone.
>>
>> Tim Cook then says "open the iPod bay doors Siri ..."
>> Siri responds: " I'm affraid I can't do that Tim...."
>>
>>
>
> ROFL!
>
> I'm still trying to find a use for Siri...
>
With my very first iPhone in hand I was riding in a bus on my way to a
> "JF Mezei"<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> news:507e5a4c$0$6289$c3e8da3$dbd...@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>> What Tim cook needs to do:
>>
>> Hide the new hardware behind an automated door controlled by an iPhone.
>>
>> Tim Cook then says "open the iPod bay doors Siri ..."
>> Siri responds: " I'm affraid I can't do that Tim...."
>>
>>
>
> ROFL!
>
> I'm still trying to find a use for Siri...
>
particular store, whose cross-street location I couldn't remember. I
asked Siri "Where is the Bally store on Madison Ave.?" Siri asked me for
my present address, which I found on the entrance to a building we were
passing, and Siri presented me with a map to the store.
On another occasion I was in a meeting discussing vacation sites. I
asked Siri for information on transportation to a particular site and
immediately got a road map.
Basically, any information for which I might formulate a specific
request to Google is available from Siri by means of a less formally
formulated request. More convenient and user-friendly.
> Stupid name!
>
> They should have called it Johnny...
> (Appleseed)
>
officer's child? Acronym?
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Oct 17, 2012, 11:04:27 AM10/17/12
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:-)
Howard S Shubs
Oct 17, 2012, 12:34:54 PM10/17/12
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In article
<YourName-171...@203-118-187-127.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Looks like the whoops is on me! :-o
<YourName-171...@203-118-187-127.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
JF Mezei
Oct 17, 2012, 3:11:41 PM10/17/12
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Michelle Steiner wrote:
> When I asked, "What is your sex?" it replied, "I'm not allowed to divulge
> that information."
Perhaps you need to inspire your self from the "PAT" sketches on SNL
> When I asked, "What is your sex?" it replied, "I'm not allowed to divulge
> that information."
where their toiled very had to find out of Pat was male or female.
Salgud
Oct 17, 2012, 3:14:46 PM10/17/12
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keep me trying it, and just seldom enough to make me wonder why.
JF Mezei
Oct 17, 2012, 3:24:28 PM10/17/12
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zulu wrote:
> ....but is it any _use_?
Voice recognition on a keyboard-less device makes sense. Obviously Siri
> ....but is it any _use_?
is a work in progress. But in the long term, there are many tasks which
will be nicer with a voice interface than the tiny on-screen keyboard.
What apple needs now is to aloow each individual to name "Siri" to
his/her own choice so that in a crowd, your phone will know when you
want to talk to it. In a crowd, right now, if someone asks Siri
something, all the phones wil try to answer :-)
Imagine at a black tie embassy party, someone shouts "Siri, delete all
my files" and a whole bunch of iPhones suddently become very empty :-)
Bert
Oct 17, 2012, 3:29:34 PM10/17/12
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In news:507f05ed$0$45681$c3e8da3$a909...@news.astraweb.com JF Mezei
devices, and their devices yammering back.
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Imagine at a black tie embassy party, someone shouts "Siri, delete all
> my files" and a whole bunch of iPhones suddently become very empty :-)
Imagine being anywhere with a bunch of folks yammering at their various
> Imagine at a black tie embassy party, someone shouts "Siri, delete all
> my files" and a whole bunch of iPhones suddently become very empty :-)
devices, and their devices yammering back.
--
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Your Name
Oct 17, 2012, 3:55:42 PM10/17/12
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In article <Vaufs.286980$jS5....@fx27.am4>, "zulu"
Tom Cruise paid a lot of money to get Apple to use his daughter's name. ;-)
Your Name
Oct 17, 2012, 3:57:37 PM10/17/12
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In article
<1525587336372169203.76012...@news.netspace.net.au>,
Nope, Johnny Appleseed is fine ... it's a technology that might be sowing
the seeds for something useful in the future. ;-)
<1525587336372169203.76012...@news.netspace.net.au>,
the seeds for something useful in the future. ;-)
Your Name
Oct 17, 2012, 4:01:48 PM10/17/12
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In article <2Ryfs.339293$PU2.1...@fx23.am4>, "zulu"
No, for most people it's not really useful and is little more than a
gimmick. (Note: The geeks around here will try to claim it's great, but in
the real world very few people actually use it) Even ignoring the fact
that many people feel like an idiot talking to a machine, it's still
rather "developmental" and has issues understanding some accents.
gimmick. (Note: The geeks around here will try to claim it's great, but in
the real world very few people actually use it) Even ignoring the fact
that many people feel like an idiot talking to a machine, it's still
rather "developmental" and has issues understanding some accents.
Your Name
Oct 17, 2012, 4:04:18 PM10/17/12
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In article <507f05ed$0$45681$c3e8da3$a909...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
One reason of many why such technology won't really ever be useful.
sbt
Oct 17, 2012, 5:36:24 PM10/17/12
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In article
<YourName-181...@203-118-187-250.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
On the subject of Siri, I've got to say that it's a cute idea but not
very useful for me at this stage. The bulk of my usage on the iPhone is
for voice dialing and managing the Music app. In both cases, it is much
slower than Voice Control, especially since driving around here bounces
back and forth between 3G and Edge, and it "misunderstands" what I'm
saying more than is the case with Voice Control. It's a little more
useful as that involves WolframAlpha and the Web most of the time, and
when I'm using the Music app, I'm connected via wi-fi, so its
performance isn't painful.
Siri is supposed to be intelligent...if that's the case, why didn't
Apple program into it that if employ Voice Control when it gets a
"Dial" or "Call" command? I just gave Siri another try yesterday while
driving to my granddaughter's softball game and it took almost 10
seconds to respond "Dialing Mom", something that takes a second or less
using Voice Control.
--
Spenser
<YourName-181...@203-118-187-250.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
very useful for me at this stage. The bulk of my usage on the iPhone is
for voice dialing and managing the Music app. In both cases, it is much
slower than Voice Control, especially since driving around here bounces
back and forth between 3G and Edge, and it "misunderstands" what I'm
saying more than is the case with Voice Control. It's a little more
useful as that involves WolframAlpha and the Web most of the time, and
when I'm using the Music app, I'm connected via wi-fi, so its
performance isn't painful.
Siri is supposed to be intelligent...if that's the case, why didn't
Apple program into it that if employ Voice Control when it gets a
"Dial" or "Call" command? I just gave Siri another try yesterday while
driving to my granddaughter's softball game and it took almost 10
seconds to respond "Dialing Mom", something that takes a second or less
using Voice Control.
--
Spenser
Davoud
Oct 17, 2012, 7:49:09 PM10/17/12
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Michelle Steiner:
period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex? Male and
female = sexes, not genders! Please tell Siri for me that Animals have
sexes and nouns have genders. Tell Siri, too, that I understand that it
is a sexless computer program, but that since Apple, Inc., gave it a
female voice and a female-sounding name, it is to be expected that Siri
will be treated as a female.
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I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
> Ask again; it has a number of replies. I just got, "Animals and nouns have
> genders. I do not."
I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
> genders. I do not."
period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex? Male and
female = sexes, not genders! Please tell Siri for me that Animals have
sexes and nouns have genders. Tell Siri, too, that I understand that it
is a sexless computer program, but that since Apple, Inc., gave it a
female voice and a female-sounding name, it is to be expected that Siri
will be treated as a female.
--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
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George Kerby
Oct 17, 2012, 8:07:16 PM10/17/12
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On 10/17/12 2:54 PM, in article
michelle-9966B0...@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <507f05ed$0$45681$c3e8da3$a909...@news.astraweb.com>,
> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> In article <507f05ed$0$45681$c3e8da3$a909...@news.astraweb.com>,
> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> Imagine at a black tie embassy party, someone shouts "Siri, delete all
>> my files" and a whole bunch of iPhones suddently become very empty :-)
>
> You don't have to address Siri by name.
>> my files" and a whole bunch of iPhones suddently become very empty :-)
>
But - but it's respectful, ma'am.
Your Name
Oct 17, 2012, 8:25:52 PM10/17/12
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In article <171020121436244852%dogb...@chaseabone.com.invalid>, sbt
assuming it even understands you. One of the gimmicks is that you can ask
it where the nearst Chinese restaurant, or whatever, is ... but if you're
outside America (or outside of the major cities), then you're wasting
your time. The same occurs with many of the "Find X" apps on the AppStore.
<dogb...@chaseabone.com.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <YourName-181...@203-118-187-250.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <2Ryfs.339293$PU2.1...@fx23.am4>, "zulu"
> > <zulu.romeo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ....but is it [Siri] any _use_?
> In article
> <YourName-181...@203-118-187-250.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <2Ryfs.339293$PU2.1...@fx23.am4>, "zulu"
> > <zulu.romeo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > No, for most people it's not really useful and is little more than a
> > gimmick. (Note: The geeks around here will try to claim it's great, but in
> > the real world very few people actually use it) Even ignoring the fact
> > that many people feel like an idiot talking to a machine, it's still
> > rather "developmental" and has issues understanding some accents.
>
> On the subject of Siri, I've got to say that it's a cute idea but not
> very useful for me at this stage. The bulk of my usage on the iPhone is
> for voice dialing and managing the Music app. In both cases, it is much
> slower than Voice Control, especially since driving around here bounces
> back and forth between 3G and Edge, and it "misunderstands" what I'm
> saying more than is the case with Voice Control. It's a little more
> useful as that involves WolframAlpha and the Web most of the time, and
> when I'm using the Music app, I'm connected via wi-fi, so its
> performance isn't painful.
>
> Siri is supposed to be intelligent...if that's the case, why didn't
> Apple program into it that if employ Voice Control when it gets a
> "Dial" or "Call" command? I just gave Siri another try yesterday while
> driving to my granddaughter's softball game and it took almost 10
> seconds to respond "Dialing Mom", something that takes a second or less
> using Voice Control.
It's even less use outside America because much of it is US-centric,
> > No, for most people it's not really useful and is little more than a
> > gimmick. (Note: The geeks around here will try to claim it's great, but in
> > the real world very few people actually use it) Even ignoring the fact
> > that many people feel like an idiot talking to a machine, it's still
> > rather "developmental" and has issues understanding some accents.
>
> On the subject of Siri, I've got to say that it's a cute idea but not
> very useful for me at this stage. The bulk of my usage on the iPhone is
> for voice dialing and managing the Music app. In both cases, it is much
> slower than Voice Control, especially since driving around here bounces
> back and forth between 3G and Edge, and it "misunderstands" what I'm
> saying more than is the case with Voice Control. It's a little more
> useful as that involves WolframAlpha and the Web most of the time, and
> when I'm using the Music app, I'm connected via wi-fi, so its
> performance isn't painful.
>
> Siri is supposed to be intelligent...if that's the case, why didn't
> Apple program into it that if employ Voice Control when it gets a
> "Dial" or "Call" command? I just gave Siri another try yesterday while
> driving to my granddaughter's softball game and it took almost 10
> seconds to respond "Dialing Mom", something that takes a second or less
> using Voice Control.
assuming it even understands you. One of the gimmicks is that you can ask
it where the nearst Chinese restaurant, or whatever, is ... but if you're
outside America (or outside of the major cities), then you're wasting
your time. The same occurs with many of the "Find X" apps on the AppStore.
Your Name
Oct 17, 2012, 8:35:34 PM10/17/12
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In article <CCA4B264.9106A%ghost_...@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
Nah, you just have to say "Oi! Junky gimmick, delete all my files" or
"Space waster, delete all my files". ;-)
"Space waster, delete all my files". ;-)
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Oct 17, 2012, 9:49:28 PM10/17/12
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George Kerby
Oct 17, 2012, 9:52:06 PM10/17/12
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On 10/17/12 8:35 PM, in article
michelle-2C8FB3...@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
> George Kerby <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Imagine at a black tie embassy party, someone shouts "Siri, delete all
>>>> my files" and a whole bunch of iPhones suddently become very empty :-)
>>>
>>> You don't have to address Siri by name.
>>
>> But - but it's respectful, ma'am.
>
> Wow! You respect Apple's software (even though it was acquired and not
>
>>>> Imagine at a black tie embassy party, someone shouts "Siri, delete all
>>>> my files" and a whole bunch of iPhones suddently become very empty :-)
>>>
>>> You don't have to address Siri by name.
>>
>> But - but it's respectful, ma'am.
>
> originated in house); you must be a genuine Apple fanboi. (Snicker)
I am fanboi; watch my dividend!
--
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living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living." -- Anonymous
JF Mezei
Oct 17, 2012, 11:12:37 PM10/17/12
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On 12-10-17 21:31, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> "Sex" these days tends to mean the physical act or things or concepts
> relating that act, thus expanding the meaning of "gender".
So when I see "Sex" on forms I need to fill, I should say "yes" or "no"
instead of "male" or "female" ?
> "Sex" these days tends to mean the physical act or things or concepts
> relating that act, thus expanding the meaning of "gender".
So when I see "Sex" on forms I need to fill, I should say "yes" or "no"
instead of "male" or "female" ?
Paul Sture
Oct 17, 2012, 11:42:18 PM10/17/12
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In article <507f73a6$0$3996$c3e8da3$40d4...@news.astraweb.com>,
The classic answer (from my school days) is "Yes please".
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Paul Sture
Oct 17, 2012, 11:50:28 PM10/17/12
to
In article <michelle-D8D008...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <171020121949096188%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net> wrote:
>
> > I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
> > period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
> > the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
> > the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
>
> About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do the
> meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
> exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
> meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
> Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
Thanks, I have learned something there. Although I do understand
"proves" in the sense of "tests", I don't think I have ever understood
the phrase in that sense (and that explains why I thought it nonsense).
"Cheap at half the price" on the other hand has always baffled me.
Perhaps this is the explanation:
<http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cheap-at-half-the-price.html>
> "Sex" these days tends to mean the physical act or things or concepts
> relating that act, thus expanding the meaning of "gender".
I don't think I have ever seen an official form which asks for "gender"
though.
--
Paul Sture
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <171020121949096188%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net> wrote:
>
> > I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
> > period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
> > the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
> > the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
>
> meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
> exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
> meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
> Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
Thanks, I have learned something there. Although I do understand
"proves" in the sense of "tests", I don't think I have ever understood
the phrase in that sense (and that explains why I thought it nonsense).
"Cheap at half the price" on the other hand has always baffled me.
Perhaps this is the explanation:
<http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cheap-at-half-the-price.html>
> "Sex" these days tends to mean the physical act or things or concepts
> relating that act, thus expanding the meaning of "gender".
though.
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Oct 18, 2012, 12:35:07 AM10/18/12
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Davoud <st...@sky.net> wrote:
>I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
>period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
>the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
>the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
"examples of the use of gender to refer to masculinity and femininity
>I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
>period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
>the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
>the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
as types are found throughout the history of Modern English (from
about the 14th century)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
Per Rønne
Oct 18, 2012, 12:48:52 AM10/18/12
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You should say "gay" or "straight" !
--
Per Erik Rønne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe
Your Name
Oct 18, 2012, 1:57:02 AM10/18/12
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In article <CCA4CA58.9109F%ghost_...@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
can't do that. Do you want me to do a search for 'delight file'?" :-\
<ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/17/12 7:35 PM, in article
> YourName-181...@203-118-187-165.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz, "Your Name"
> <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <CCA4B264.9106A%ghost_...@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> > <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 10/17/12 2:54 PM, in article
> >> michelle-9966B0...@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
> >> Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> >>> In article <507f05ed$0$45681$c3e8da3$a909...@news.astraweb.com>,
> >>> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Imagine at a black tie embassy party, someone shouts "Siri, delete all
> >>>> my files" and a whole bunch of iPhones suddently become very empty :-)
> >>>
> >>> You don't have to address Siri by name.
> >>
> >> But - but it's respectful, ma'am.
> >
> > Nah, you just have to say "Oi! Junky gimmick, delete all my files" or
> > "Space waster, delete all my files". ;-)
>
> LOL!
No matter what you call it, the response is likely to be the same: "I
> On 10/17/12 7:35 PM, in article
> YourName-181...@203-118-187-165.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz, "Your Name"
> <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <CCA4B264.9106A%ghost_...@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> > <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 10/17/12 2:54 PM, in article
> >> michelle-9966B0...@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
> >> Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> >>> In article <507f05ed$0$45681$c3e8da3$a909...@news.astraweb.com>,
> >>> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Imagine at a black tie embassy party, someone shouts "Siri, delete all
> >>>> my files" and a whole bunch of iPhones suddently become very empty :-)
> >>>
> >>> You don't have to address Siri by name.
> >>
> >> But - but it's respectful, ma'am.
> >
> > Nah, you just have to say "Oi! Junky gimmick, delete all my files" or
> > "Space waster, delete all my files". ;-)
>
> LOL!
can't do that. Do you want me to do a search for 'delight file'?" :-\
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Your Name
Oct 18, 2012, 2:33:25 AM10/18/12
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In article <slrnk7v80e....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <Vaufs.286980$jS5....@fx27.am4>
and the responses you got ... ;-)
> Show me my schedule
Ski dueling is no longer legal in America.
> Show my my shopping list
The list of things that hop include rabbits, frogs, ...
> What's the weather like today
Half past two.
> Send a message to {several times to several people}
Massage parlour appointmenet booked.
> Open Downcasts/tweetbot/Safari/1password/warcraft/etc
The forecast for today is cloudy.
> Guide me to {a couple of places}
{Displays a list of place in a city on the other side of the country}
> Set a timer for 7 minutes
The average time to change a tire is more than 7 minutes.
> On October 29th remind me to call Bob
You're a boob. {repeated 29 times}
> Add bacon to the shopping list
Downloading the game Backgammon.
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <Vaufs.286980$jS5....@fx27.am4>
> zulu <zulu.romeo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> > news:507e5a4c$0$6289$c3e8da3$dbd...@news.astraweb.com...
> >>
> >> What Tim cook needs to do:
> >>
> >> Hide the new hardware behind an automated door controlled by an iPhone.
> >>
> >> Tim Cook then says "open the iPod bay doors Siri ..."
> >> Siri responds: " I'm affraid I can't do that Tim...."
> >>
> >>
>
> > ROFL!
>
> ^_^
> > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> > news:507e5a4c$0$6289$c3e8da3$dbd...@news.astraweb.com...
> >>
> >> What Tim cook needs to do:
> >>
> >> Hide the new hardware behind an automated door controlled by an iPhone.
> >>
> >> Tim Cook then says "open the iPod bay doors Siri ..."
> >> Siri responds: " I'm affraid I can't do that Tim...."
> >>
> >>
>
> > ROFL!
>
>
> > I'm still trying to find a use for Siri...
>
> Things I used it for today:
> > I'm still trying to find a use for Siri...
>
and the responses you got ... ;-)
> Show me my schedule
Ski dueling is no longer legal in America.
> Show my my shopping list
The list of things that hop include rabbits, frogs, ...
> What's the weather like today
Half past two.
> Send a message to {several times to several people}
Massage parlour appointmenet booked.
> Open Downcasts/tweetbot/Safari/1password/warcraft/etc
The forecast for today is cloudy.
> Guide me to {a couple of places}
{Displays a list of place in a city on the other side of the country}
> Set a timer for 7 minutes
The average time to change a tire is more than 7 minutes.
> On October 29th remind me to call Bob
You're a boob. {repeated 29 times}
> Add bacon to the shopping list
Downloading the game Backgammon.
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David Taylor
Oct 18, 2012, 4:24:54 AM10/18/12
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On 18/10/2012 07:34, Lewis wrote:
> In message <nospam-5ED55F....@news.chingola.ch>
> Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
[]
.. it still does e.g. in German, and I can believe that is used to in
English.
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
> In message <nospam-5ED55F....@news.chingola.ch>
> Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
[]
>> Thanks, I have learned something there. Although I do understand
>> "proves" in the sense of "tests", I don't think I have ever understood
>> the phrase in that sense (and that explains why I thought it nonsense).
>
> It doesn't mean what Michelle said it means.
>> "proves" in the sense of "tests", I don't think I have ever understood
>> the phrase in that sense (and that explains why I thought it nonsense).
>
.. it still does e.g. in German, and I can believe that is used to in
English.
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David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Davoud
Oct 18, 2012, 6:52:33 AM10/18/12
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Davoud:
change forced on the language by illiterates and, in this case I
suspect, by people who got into their tight little heads the bizarre
idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
evolution of the language? Will anyone besides the sticklers remember
that ignoramuses were responsible for that sad erosion of the language?
> "Sex" these days tends to mean the physical act or things or concepts
> relating that act, thus expanding the meaning of "gender".
I am pleased to note that one still encounters forms, questionnaires,
and the like in which the term is properly used. I didn't abuse the
language out of ignorance when I was 18 and I won't do it now that I'm
68, but only by occasional accident. Intellectually, we have much to
"loose." If that leads to a wider class gulf between urban and rural
America, I would remind rural America that getting a good liberal
education--even if it only goes as far as high school--has been the
great class leveler throughout America's history, and it still works.
> > I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
> > period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
> > the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
> > the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
Michelle Steiner:
> > period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
> > the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
> > the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
> About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do the
> meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
> exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
> meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
> Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
Not one to oppose natural evolution, but I also don't like to see
> meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
> exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
> meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
> Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
change forced on the language by illiterates and, in this case I
suspect, by people who got into their tight little heads the bizarre
idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
evolution of the language? Will anyone besides the sticklers remember
that ignoramuses were responsible for that sad erosion of the language?
> "Sex" these days tends to mean the physical act or things or concepts
> relating that act, thus expanding the meaning of "gender".
and the like in which the term is properly used. I didn't abuse the
language out of ignorance when I was 18 and I won't do it now that I'm
68, but only by occasional accident. Intellectually, we have much to
"loose." If that leads to a wider class gulf between urban and rural
America, I would remind rural America that getting a good liberal
education--even if it only goes as far as high school--has been the
great class leveler throughout America's history, and it still works.
Paul Sture
Oct 18, 2012, 8:30:54 AM10/18/12
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In article <181020120652331036%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
wrote:
> Davoud:
> > > I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
> > > period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
> > > the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
> > > the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
>
> Michelle Steiner:
> > About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do the
> > meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
> > exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
> > meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
> > Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
>
> Not one to oppose natural evolution, but I also don't like to see
> change forced on the language by illiterates and, in this case I
> suspect, by people who got into their tight little heads the bizarre
> idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> evolution of the language? Will anyone besides the sticklers remember
> that ignoramuses were responsible for that sad erosion of the language?
While I also don't like to see "change forced on the language by
illiterates", language is an evolutionary beast and does change with
time. An example from a Sherlock Holmes story was a clue in the form of
how "sugar" was pronounced. IIRC (and it's a long time since I read the
story), the educated classes pronounced it with an "s", the non-educated
with "sh". Observe how it is pronounced today :-)
> > "Sex" these days tends to mean the physical act or things or concepts
> > relating that act, thus expanding the meaning of "gender".
>
> I am pleased to note that one still encounters forms, questionnaires,
> and the like in which the term is properly used. I didn't abuse the
> language out of ignorance when I was 18 and I won't do it now that I'm
> 68, but only by occasional accident. Intellectually, we have much to
> "loose." If that leads to a wider class gulf between urban and rural
> America, I would remind rural America that getting a good liberal
> education--even if it only goes as far as high school--has been the
> great class leveler throughout America's history, and it still works.
I have similar fears of the dumbing down of education in the UK.
I had the benefit of attending what was known as a "Direct Grant" school
which was committed to high academic and sporting standards. These
schools were fee paying, but subsidised by central government to the
extent that fees were affordably by ordinary white collar workers who
were willing to pay for a better education for their kids. Local
government saved a bunch on not having to educate us, so provided
scholarships; in my school approximately one third of the pupils had
scholarships. Bursaries were also available for less well off parents.
These schools were real class levellers in their day.
This system was scrapped* and my old school is now fully independent,
which means that only pupils with rich parents can go there now.
Naturally, the politicians who did this can and do send their kids to
such schools.
* Twice. The system was dismantled in the 70s, brought back in a form
known as "Assisted Places" by Thatcher, in turn scrapped by the Blair
government.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_grant_grammar_school>
(my old school is pictured there)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_Places>
"The result of abolition has been to reduce the social range of pupils
educated at independent schools. Some independent schools, most of which
have charitable status, have taken steps to provide their own funding
for pupils from poorer backgrounds through bursaries."
--
Paul Sture
wrote:
> Davoud:
> > > I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
> > > period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
> > > the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
> > > the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
>
> Michelle Steiner:
> > About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do the
> > meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
> > exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
> > meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
> > Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
>
> Not one to oppose natural evolution, but I also don't like to see
> change forced on the language by illiterates and, in this case I
> suspect, by people who got into their tight little heads the bizarre
> idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> evolution of the language? Will anyone besides the sticklers remember
> that ignoramuses were responsible for that sad erosion of the language?
illiterates", language is an evolutionary beast and does change with
time. An example from a Sherlock Holmes story was a clue in the form of
how "sugar" was pronounced. IIRC (and it's a long time since I read the
story), the educated classes pronounced it with an "s", the non-educated
with "sh". Observe how it is pronounced today :-)
> > "Sex" these days tends to mean the physical act or things or concepts
> > relating that act, thus expanding the meaning of "gender".
>
> I am pleased to note that one still encounters forms, questionnaires,
> and the like in which the term is properly used. I didn't abuse the
> language out of ignorance when I was 18 and I won't do it now that I'm
> 68, but only by occasional accident. Intellectually, we have much to
> "loose." If that leads to a wider class gulf between urban and rural
> America, I would remind rural America that getting a good liberal
> education--even if it only goes as far as high school--has been the
> great class leveler throughout America's history, and it still works.
I had the benefit of attending what was known as a "Direct Grant" school
which was committed to high academic and sporting standards. These
schools were fee paying, but subsidised by central government to the
extent that fees were affordably by ordinary white collar workers who
were willing to pay for a better education for their kids. Local
government saved a bunch on not having to educate us, so provided
scholarships; in my school approximately one third of the pupils had
scholarships. Bursaries were also available for less well off parents.
These schools were real class levellers in their day.
This system was scrapped* and my old school is now fully independent,
which means that only pupils with rich parents can go there now.
Naturally, the politicians who did this can and do send their kids to
such schools.
* Twice. The system was dismantled in the 70s, brought back in a form
known as "Assisted Places" by Thatcher, in turn scrapped by the Blair
government.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_grant_grammar_school>
(my old school is pictured there)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_Places>
"The result of abolition has been to reduce the social range of pupils
educated at independent schools. Some independent schools, most of which
have charitable status, have taken steps to provide their own funding
for pupils from poorer backgrounds through bursaries."
--
Paul Sture
Paul Sture
Oct 18, 2012, 8:34:19 AM10/18/12
to
In article <slrnk7v8o6....@mbp55.local>,
--
Paul Sture
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <nospam-5ED55F....@news.chingola.ch>
> Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
> In message <nospam-5ED55F....@news.chingola.ch>
> Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
> > In article <michelle-D8D008...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
> >> In article <171020121949096188%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
> >> > period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
> >> > the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
> >> > the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
> >>
> >> About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do the
> >> meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
> >> exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
> >> meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
> >> Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
>
> > Thanks, I have learned something there. Although I do understand
> > "proves" in the sense of "tests", I don't think I have ever understood
> > the phrase in that sense (and that explains why I thought it nonsense).
>
> > Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
> >> In article <171020121949096188%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
> >> > period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
> >> > the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
> >> > the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
> >>
> >> About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do the
> >> meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
> >> exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
> >> meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
> >> Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
>
> > Thanks, I have learned something there. Although I do understand
> > "proves" in the sense of "tests", I don't think I have ever understood
> > the phrase in that sense (and that explains why I thought it nonsense).
>
> It doesn't mean what Michelle said it means.
Yep. Saw your other post.
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Oct 18, 2012, 9:52:09 AM10/18/12
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In article <timstreater-A135...@news.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <nospam-9B6594....@news.chingola.ch>,
> of independent schools, you can later on turn round and say oh look,
> independent schools have a narrow social range so we ought to abolish
> them. Simples.
Ah, I hadn't thought of it that way. I have just remembered that back
in the seventies this was becoming likely and Eton, possibly others too,
had plans to move abroad if that happened.
--
Paul Sture
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <nospam-9B6594....@news.chingola.ch>,
> Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
>
> > "The result of abolition has been to reduce the social range of pupils
> > educated at independent schools. Some independent schools, most of which
> > have charitable status, have taken steps to provide their own funding
> > for pupils from poorer backgrounds through bursaries."
>
> All part of the socialist agenda. If you act to reduce the social range
>
> > "The result of abolition has been to reduce the social range of pupils
> > educated at independent schools. Some independent schools, most of which
> > have charitable status, have taken steps to provide their own funding
> > for pupils from poorer backgrounds through bursaries."
>
> of independent schools, you can later on turn round and say oh look,
> independent schools have a narrow social range so we ought to abolish
> them. Simples.
Ah, I hadn't thought of it that way. I have just remembered that back
in the seventies this was becoming likely and Eton, possibly others too,
had plans to move abroad if that happened.
--
Paul Sture
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Davoud
Oct 18, 2012, 10:57:42 AM10/18/12
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Davoud:
> "Lose" has not become "loose", and any fucker who thinks it has gets the
> rough side of my tongue.
> I first encountered this error in California circa 1990. The problem is
> the large number of those whose first language is not English who think
> it is correct.
You mean the sharp tip of your pen. It's in writing that this occurs,
not in speech. And it's native English speakers who can't or don't read
who say things like "...better then the old version..." and "might
loose all my files..."
> > idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> > that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> > evolution of the language?
Tim Streater:
> > that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> > evolution of the language?
> "Lose" has not become "loose", and any fucker who thinks it has gets the
> rough side of my tongue.
> I first encountered this error in California circa 1990. The problem is
> the large number of those whose first language is not English who think
> it is correct.
You mean the sharp tip of your pen. It's in writing that this occurs,
not in speech. And it's native English speakers who can't or don't read
who say things like "...better then the old version..." and "might
loose all my files..."
AV3
Oct 18, 2012, 11:10:18 AM10/18/12
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in current English "prove" and "proof." English usage has evolved away
from the two language's common origin.
I must confess I forced a false meaning on the original phrase under
discussion here. I took "the exception proves the rule" to mean that
there is no such thing as an absolute rule. Only a rule with at least
one exception can be valid. I am grateful for the clarification.
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Oct 18, 2012, 11:21:41 AM10/18/12
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On Oct/18/2012 6:5233 AM, Davoud wrote:
> Davoud:
>>> ,,,
English words that alternate "s" and "z" sounds, e. g., "house" and
"houses". The confusion comes from the spelling of the same vowel by
both "o" and "oo", but this reflects a subclass in pronunciation: an
English vowel is lengthened in pronunciation before a single unvoiced
consonant. Admittedly, that difference here is strangely reflected, but
it is there.
...
> Davoud:
>>> ,,,
>
> Not one to oppose natural evolution, but I also don't like to see
> change forced on the language by illiterates and, in this case I
> suspect, by people who got into their tight little heads the bizarre
> idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> evolution of the language? Will anyone besides the sticklers remember
> that ignoramuses were responsible for that sad erosion of the language?
>
"Loose" and "lose" are proper forms. They belong to a small class of
> Not one to oppose natural evolution, but I also don't like to see
> change forced on the language by illiterates and, in this case I
> suspect, by people who got into their tight little heads the bizarre
> idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> evolution of the language? Will anyone besides the sticklers remember
> that ignoramuses were responsible for that sad erosion of the language?
>
English words that alternate "s" and "z" sounds, e. g., "house" and
"houses". The confusion comes from the spelling of the same vowel by
both "o" and "oo", but this reflects a subclass in pronunciation: an
English vowel is lengthened in pronunciation before a single unvoiced
consonant. Admittedly, that difference here is strangely reflected, but
it is there.
...
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zulu
Oct 18, 2012, 12:06:05 PM10/18/12
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"Davoud" <st...@sky.net> wrote in message
news:171020121949096188%st...@sky.net...
> Michelle Steiner:
>> Ask again; it has a number of replies. I just got, "Animals and nouns
>> have
>> genders. I do not."
>
> I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
> period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
> the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
> the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex? Male and
> I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
> period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
> the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
> female = sexes, not genders! Please tell Siri for me that Animals have
> sexes and nouns have genders. Tell Siri, too, that I understand that it
> is a sexless computer program, but that since Apple, Inc., gave it a
> female voice and a female-sounding name, it is to be expected that Siri
> will be treated as a female.
Siri ihas a male voixein the UK...
--
zulu
Fred Moore
Oct 18, 2012, 12:54:11 PM10/18/12
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> Intellectually, we have much to
> "loose." If that leads to a wider class gulf between urban and rural
> America, I would remind rural America that getting a good liberal
> education--even if it only goes as far as high school--has been the
> great class leveler throughout America's history, and it still works.
/Republican intellectual voice=ON/
> "loose." If that leads to a wider class gulf between urban and rural
> America, I would remind rural America that getting a good liberal
> education--even if it only goes as far as high school--has been the
> great class leveler throughout America's history, and it still works.
Well, there, Davoudy, ole boy, that jus' sounds link the kinda libral,
commie, pinko bilge you're always a'spoutin' here. What we need in our
schools is true Godly edakation! An' t'only text book we need is The
Good Book.
Fuhthamore, if we just had more Saved an' Sacred True Believers like Rep
Paul Broun of Georgia in Congress, we could chase the Devil an' his evil
ways outta this country. Rep Broun sits on the House Science &
Technology Committee an' labors hard ta keep them secalar humanisses
frum a'stealin' this country away from God and His Chosen. (It's a
dangerous job confronting the Devil in his lair, but he'e brave 'n
rightous, an' I prey for him evvaday.)
He tells it like it is! An' he's a bona fide MD, that's medical doctor
if ya never heard of it before. But he ain't bin subverted by none a
that godless Scientific Method crap. Just watch this recent video of him
denouncin' evolution, embryology, and the big bang theory as "Lies from
the Pit of Hell" (and they truly are!):
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBy3MbP4WDo>
An' he sits on the Science & Technology Committee in Crongress so he
KNOWS what he's talking about. So much so, there ain't nobody runnin'
agin him for re-ellection. If that ain't the voice of God an' The
People, I don't know what it is!
So don't give me none a that sinful, God denyin' libral edakashun. Ya
don't need no libral edakshun if ya can quote Scripture. Rep Broun can!
An' Rep Broun KNOWS God made the earth in 7 days, an' that was jus' 9000
years ago. Hallaylooooyah! An' Praise The Lord!
/Republican intellectual voice=OFF/
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And isn't it remarkable that the Christian bible-thumpers are so
inclined to think, act, and quote the _old_ testament instead of the new
from which they claim to draw their enlightenment. 'Jesus is all
sweetness and light, but his daddy's gunna mess you up, infidel!'
David Taylor
Oct 18, 2012, 1:37:15 PM10/18/12
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On 18/10/2012 16:10, AV3 wrote:
> On Oct/18/2012 4:2454 AM, David Taylor wrote:
>> On 18/10/2012 07:34, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <nospam-5ED55F....@news.chingola.ch>
>>> Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
>> []
>>>> Thanks, I have learned something there. Although I do understand
>>>> "proves" in the sense of "tests", I don't think I have ever understood
>>>> the phrase in that sense (and that explains why I thought it nonsense).
>>>
>>> It doesn't mean what Michelle said it means.
>>
>> .. it still does e.g. in German, and I can believe that is used to in
>> English.
>
>
> No. German "probieren" and "Probe" do not suggest the decisive finality
> in current English "prove" and "proof." English usage has evolved away
> from the two language's common origin.
>
>
> I must confess I forced a false meaning on the original phrase under
> discussion here. I took "the exception proves the rule" to mean that
> there is no such thing as an absolute rule. Only a rule with at least
> one exception can be valid. I am grateful for the clarification.
I was thinking more: "Prüfung" - test, examination ...
> On Oct/18/2012 4:2454 AM, David Taylor wrote:
>> On 18/10/2012 07:34, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <nospam-5ED55F....@news.chingola.ch>
>>> Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
>> []
>>>> Thanks, I have learned something there. Although I do understand
>>>> "proves" in the sense of "tests", I don't think I have ever understood
>>>> the phrase in that sense (and that explains why I thought it nonsense).
>>>
>>> It doesn't mean what Michelle said it means.
>>
>> .. it still does e.g. in German, and I can believe that is used to in
>> English.
>
>
> No. German "probieren" and "Probe" do not suggest the decisive finality
> in current English "prove" and "proof." English usage has evolved away
> from the two language's common origin.
>
>
> I must confess I forced a false meaning on the original phrase under
> discussion here. I took "the exception proves the rule" to mean that
> there is no such thing as an absolute rule. Only a rule with at least
> one exception can be valid. I am grateful for the clarification.
Your Name
Oct 18, 2012, 4:14:34 PM10/18/12
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The rumour now is that the iMac is not increasing in price (but along with
the Mac Mini, it is getting more RAM) ... someone just needs to add that
the iMac will be getting a price drop and the "experts" will have covered
all the options. :-\
Davoud
Oct 18, 2012, 4:53:05 PM10/18/12
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Michelle Steiner:
> > About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do the
> > meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
> > exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
> > meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
> > Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
I was unaware of that assumption. It's another case of pure ignorance.
> > About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do the
> > meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
> > exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
> > meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
> > Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
How much logic does it take to realize that an exception might falsify,
or disprove a rule, but it cannot verify, or prove a rule? How much
effort is required to resolve the question by learning from a
dictionary that "to prove" means "to test," among other things?
Davoud
Oct 18, 2012, 5:07:53 PM10/18/12
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Someone wrote of "prove:"
means "testing ground." "The exception that proves the rule" means "the
exception that calls into question whether it really is a rule." In
science, an exception kills a theory. If one apple, in the absence of
external forces, falls away from a far greater mass (falls upward from
a tree on Earth, e.g.) then the theories of gravity--Newton's and
Einstein's both--need to be re-worked. The exception will have tested
the rule to past the breaking point.
AV3:
a preposition." "Never begin a sentence with 'but' or 'and.'" These may
be called "general rules," or "loose rules," but they are not
absolutes.
Going back to science, Stephen Hawking wrote in "A Brief History of
Time" "...any physical theory is always provisional, in the sense that
it is only a hypothesis; you can never prove it. No matter how many
times the results of experiments agree with some theory, you can never
be sure that the next time the result will not contradict the theory.
On the other hand, you can disprove a theory by finding even a single
observation which disagrees with the predictions of the theory."
> >> It doesn't mean what Michelle said it means.
Prove means to "test," among other things. q.v. "proving ground," which
means "testing ground." "The exception that proves the rule" means "the
exception that calls into question whether it really is a rule." In
science, an exception kills a theory. If one apple, in the absence of
external forces, falls away from a far greater mass (falls upward from
a tree on Earth, e.g.) then the theories of gravity--Newton's and
Einstein's both--need to be re-worked. The exception will have tested
the rule to past the breaking point.
AV3:
> I must confess I forced a false meaning on the original phrase under
> discussion here. I took "the exception proves the rule" to mean that
> there is no such thing as an absolute rule. Only a rule with at least
> one exception can be valid. I am grateful for the clarification.
Yes, a rule with an exception is not a rule. "Never end a sentence with
> discussion here. I took "the exception proves the rule" to mean that
> there is no such thing as an absolute rule. Only a rule with at least
> one exception can be valid. I am grateful for the clarification.
a preposition." "Never begin a sentence with 'but' or 'and.'" These may
be called "general rules," or "loose rules," but they are not
absolutes.
Going back to science, Stephen Hawking wrote in "A Brief History of
Time" "...any physical theory is always provisional, in the sense that
it is only a hypothesis; you can never prove it. No matter how many
times the results of experiments agree with some theory, you can never
be sure that the next time the result will not contradict the theory.
On the other hand, you can disprove a theory by finding even a single
observation which disagrees with the predictions of the theory."
Alan Browne
Oct 18, 2012, 5:21:53 PM10/18/12
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On 2012.10.18 06:52 , Davoud wrote:
> Davoud:
>>> I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
>>> period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
>>> the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
>>> the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
>
> Michelle Steiner:
>> About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do the
>> meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
>> exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
>> meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
>> Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
>
> Not one to oppose natural evolution, but I also don't like to see
> change forced on the language by illiterates and, in this case I
> suspect, by people who got into their tight little heads the bizarre
> idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> evolution of the language? Will anyone besides the sticklers remember
> that ignoramuses were responsible for that sad erosion of the language?
i asur u it wil get wers.
> Davoud:
>>> I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
>>> period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
>>> the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
>>> the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
>
> Michelle Steiner:
>> About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do the
>> meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
>> exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
>> meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
>> Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
>
> Not one to oppose natural evolution, but I also don't like to see
> change forced on the language by illiterates and, in this case I
> suspect, by people who got into their tight little heads the bizarre
> idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> evolution of the language? Will anyone besides the sticklers remember
> that ignoramuses were responsible for that sad erosion of the language?
--
"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald
AV3
Oct 18, 2012, 6:24:43 PM10/18/12
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similar English word for 'test, examination'. Even in an expression
"prove your strength" the meaning is more 'demonstrate your strength'
than 'test it'.
Jim Janney
Oct 18, 2012, 7:44:49 PM10/18/12
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Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:
> On 2012.10.18 06:52 , Davoud wrote:
>> Davoud:
>>>> I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
>>>> period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
>>>> the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
>>>> the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
>>
>> Michelle Steiner:
>>> About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do the
>>> meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
>>> exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
>>> meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
>>> Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
>>
>> Not one to oppose natural evolution, but I also don't like to see
>> change forced on the language by illiterates and, in this case I
>> suspect, by people who got into their tight little heads the bizarre
>> idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
>> that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
>> evolution of the language? Will anyone besides the sticklers remember
>> that ignoramuses were responsible for that sad erosion of the language?
>
> i asur u it wil get wers.
Change happens, and complaining about it isn't rational. Nobody cares
> On 2012.10.18 06:52 , Davoud wrote:
>> Davoud:
>>>> I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
>>>> period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adopt
>>>> the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replace
>>>> the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
>>
>> Michelle Steiner:
>>> About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do the
>>> meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
>>> exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests",
>>> meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be false.
>>> Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
>>
>> Not one to oppose natural evolution, but I also don't like to see
>> change forced on the language by illiterates and, in this case I
>> suspect, by people who got into their tight little heads the bizarre
>> idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
>> that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
>> evolution of the language? Will anyone besides the sticklers remember
>> that ignoramuses were responsible for that sad erosion of the language?
>
> i asur u it wil get wers.
what some looney says on Usenet. Besides, some people probably like the
new way better :-)
--
Jim Janney
Savageduck
Oct 18, 2012, 8:41:33 PM10/18/12
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On 2012-10-18 06:04:26 -0700, Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> said:
> In article <181020120652331036%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net> wrote:
>
> In article <181020120652331036%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net> wrote:
>
>> idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
>> that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
>> evolution of the language?
>
>> that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
>> evolution of the language?
>
> "Lose" has not become "loose", and any fucker who thinks it has gets
> the rough side of my tongue.
>
> I first encountered this error in California circa 1990. The problem is
> the large number of those whose first language is not English who think
> it is correct.
...and I still can't put my finger on when "so much fun" and "such fun"
> the rough side of my tongue.
>
> I first encountered this error in California circa 1990. The problem is
> the large number of those whose first language is not English who think
> it is correct.
became the awful "so fun".
--
Regards,
Savageduck
JF Mezei
Oct 18, 2012, 9:57:21 PM10/18/12
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On 12-10-18 16:14, Your Name wrote:
>... someone just needs to add that
> the iMac will be getting a price drop and the "experts" will have covered
> all the options. :-\
>
The iMac will be getting a price drop.
>... someone just needs to add that
> the iMac will be getting a price drop and the "experts" will have covered
> all the options. :-\
>
Cyber Trekker
Oct 19, 2012, 1:31:27 AM10/19/12
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Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article
> <1525587336372169203.76012...@news.netspace.net.au>,
> Cyber Trekker <cyber....@hmamail.com> wrote:
>
>> "zulu" <zulu.romeo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> "JF Mezei" <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:507e5a4c$0$6289$c3e8da3$dbd...@news.astraweb.com...
>>>>
>>>> What Tim cook needs to do:
>>>>
>>>> Hide the new hardware behind an automated door controlled by an iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Cook then says "open the iPod bay doors Siri ..."
>>>> Siri responds: " I'm affraid I can't do that Tim...."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ROFL!
>>>
>>> I'm still trying to find a use for Siri...
>>>
>>> Stupid name!
>>>
>>> They should have called it Johnny...
>>> (Appleseed)
>>
>> More like a Johnny-come-lately than a Johnny Appleseed...
>
> Nope, Johnny Appleseed is fine ... it's a technology that might be sowing
> the seeds for something useful in the future. ;-)
It may well be as you assert a technology that has a certain potential to
sow the seeds for something useful in the future, yet that is not the only
possible interpretation and contextual meaning of the Johnny Appleseed
appellation. I, for example, saw it more in the context of a latecomer to
the scene rather than the origination of the concept. In that contextual
representation, Siri is indeed a "Johnny-come-lately" in contradistinction
to a Johnny Appleseed.
--
Cyb3r Tr3kk3r: cyber.trekker[at]hmamail.com
> In article
> <1525587336372169203.76012...@news.netspace.net.au>,
> Cyber Trekker <cyber....@hmamail.com> wrote:
>
>> "zulu" <zulu.romeo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> "JF Mezei" <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:507e5a4c$0$6289$c3e8da3$dbd...@news.astraweb.com...
>>>>
>>>> What Tim cook needs to do:
>>>>
>>>> Hide the new hardware behind an automated door controlled by an iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Cook then says "open the iPod bay doors Siri ..."
>>>> Siri responds: " I'm affraid I can't do that Tim...."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ROFL!
>>>
>>> I'm still trying to find a use for Siri...
>>>
>>> Stupid name!
>>>
>>> They should have called it Johnny...
>>> (Appleseed)
>>
>> More like a Johnny-come-lately than a Johnny Appleseed...
>
> Nope, Johnny Appleseed is fine ... it's a technology that might be sowing
> the seeds for something useful in the future. ;-)
It may well be as you assert a technology that has a certain potential to
sow the seeds for something useful in the future, yet that is not the only
possible interpretation and contextual meaning of the Johnny Appleseed
appellation. I, for example, saw it more in the context of a latecomer to
the scene rather than the origination of the concept. In that contextual
representation, Siri is indeed a "Johnny-come-lately" in contradistinction
to a Johnny Appleseed.
--
Cyb3r Tr3kk3r: cyber.trekker[at]hmamail.com
Cyber Trekker
Oct 19, 2012, 1:33:14 AM10/19/12
to
Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <507f05ed$0$45681$c3e8da3$a909...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
> <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> zulu wrote:
>>
>>> ....but is it any _use_?
>>
>> Voice recognition on a keyboard-less device makes sense. Obviously Siri
>> is a work in progress. But in the long term, there are many tasks which
>> will be nicer with a voice interface than the tiny on-screen keyboard.
>>
>> What apple needs now is to aloow each individual to name "Siri" to
>> his/her own choice so that in a crowd, your phone will know when you
>> want to talk to it. In a crowd, right now, if someone asks Siri
>> something, all the phones wil try to answer :-)
>>
>> Imagine at a black tie embassy party, someone shouts "Siri, delete all
>> my files" and a whole bunch of iPhones suddently become very empty :-)
>
> One reason of many why such technology won't really ever be useful.
"Ever" is a very long time...
> In article <507f05ed$0$45681$c3e8da3$a909...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
> <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> zulu wrote:
>>
>>> ....but is it any _use_?
>>
>> Voice recognition on a keyboard-less device makes sense. Obviously Siri
>> is a work in progress. But in the long term, there are many tasks which
>> will be nicer with a voice interface than the tiny on-screen keyboard.
>>
>> What apple needs now is to aloow each individual to name "Siri" to
>> his/her own choice so that in a crowd, your phone will know when you
>> want to talk to it. In a crowd, right now, if someone asks Siri
>> something, all the phones wil try to answer :-)
>>
>> Imagine at a black tie embassy party, someone shouts "Siri, delete all
>> my files" and a whole bunch of iPhones suddently become very empty :-)
>
> One reason of many why such technology won't really ever be useful.
"Ever" is a very long time...
Your Name
Oct 19, 2012, 1:43:43 AM10/19/12
to
In article <XKidnZMD2-ps7x3N...@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> t
> >>> the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replac=
> ,
> >> meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be fals=
... including in English class exams!! :-(
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2012.10.18 06:52 , Davoud wrote:
> > Davoud:
> >>> I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
> >>> period from 1966-1991. When did the USA take the prudish turn to adop=
> On 2012.10.18 06:52 , Davoud wrote:
> > Davoud:
> >>> I was on assignment out of the country for the great majority of the
> t
> >>> the grammatical term "gender" (feminine, masculine, neuter) to replac=
> e
> >>> the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
> >
> > Michelle Steiner:
> >> About two or three, maybe four, decades ago. Language changes, as do =
> >>> the word "sex" to classify human beings by... by... by sex?
> >
> > Michelle Steiner:
> the
> >> meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
> >> exception proves the rule," the word "proves" originally meant "tests"=
> >> meanings of words, over time. (For example, in the sentence, "The
> ,
> >> meaning that if there was an exception, the rule was proven to be fals=
> e.
> >> Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
> >
> > Not one to oppose natural evolution, but I also don't like to see
> > change forced on the language by illiterates and, in this case I
> > suspect, by people who got into their tight little heads the bizarre
> > idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> > that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> > evolution of the language? Will anyone besides the sticklers remember
> > that ignoramuses were responsible for that sad erosion of the language?=
> >> Now, it's assumed that the exception somehow validates the rule.)
> >
> > Not one to oppose natural evolution, but I also don't like to see
> > change forced on the language by illiterates and, in this case I
> > suspect, by people who got into their tight little heads the bizarre
> > idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> > that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> > evolution of the language? Will anyone besides the sticklers remember
>
> i asur u it wil get wers.
It certainly will - some schools stupidly allow TXT-speak in exams answers
> i asur u it wil get wers.
... including in English class exams!! :-(
Your Name
Oct 19, 2012, 1:45:49 AM10/19/12
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In article <5080b381$0$36163$c3e8da3$3388...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
I said "experts", not "loonies on the Internet". :-p
Technically with the current exchange rates, the price should probably
drop in some countries.
Technically with the current exchange rates, the price should probably
drop in some countries.
Your Name
Oct 19, 2012, 2:17:25 AM10/19/12
to
In article
<1894049069372317536.83083...@news.netspace.net.au>,
I don't see talking to your devices as ever being that useful (except of
course for disabled people). Even if you ignore the, perhaps current,
limitations of the device actually understanding people (one stupid ISP
here uses a voice-recognition system on their help desk answerphone ...
it's attrocialously hopeless!), the reality is that public spaces,
offices, etc. are simply too noisy already and won't get any quieter.
<1894049069372317536.83083...@news.netspace.net.au>,
course for disabled people). Even if you ignore the, perhaps current,
limitations of the device actually understanding people (one stupid ISP
here uses a voice-recognition system on their help desk answerphone ...
it's attrocialously hopeless!), the reality is that public spaces,
offices, etc. are simply too noisy already and won't get any quieter.
Paul Sture
Oct 19, 2012, 6:27:34 AM10/19/12
to
In article
<YourName-191...@203-118-187-108.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Even Microsoft have finally got that message, with Windows 7 retail
prices in my country dropping to a level which reflects the value of the
USD today rather than several years ago.
Apple have been much better in this regard, with prices across the range
being recalculated at regular intervals (usually coinciding with new
product releases).
--
Paul Sture
<YourName-191...@203-118-187-108.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
prices in my country dropping to a level which reflects the value of the
USD today rather than several years ago.
Apple have been much better in this regard, with prices across the range
being recalculated at regular intervals (usually coinciding with new
product releases).
--
Paul Sture
Paul Sture
Oct 19, 2012, 6:36:13 AM10/19/12
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In article <181020121057423871%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
wrote:
> Davoud:
> > > idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> > > that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> > > evolution of the language?
>
> Tim Streater:
> > "Lose" has not become "loose", and any fucker who thinks it has gets the
> > rough side of my tongue.
>
> > I first encountered this error in California circa 1990. The problem is
> > the large number of those whose first language is not English who think
> > it is correct.
>
> You mean the sharp tip of your pen. It's in writing that this occurs,
> not in speech. And it's native English speakers who can't or don't read
> who say things like "...better then the old version..." and "might
> loose all my files..."
I have come across "better that the old version", but am inclined to
think it's a typo, where "finger memory" kicks in.
One I really cannot stand is "I could of done something". Phonetically
there is little difference from the shortened form "could've", but in
certain areas of the UK (and maybe other countries too) "could of" is
what you actually hear.
--
Paul Sture
wrote:
> Davoud:
> > > idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> > > that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> > > evolution of the language?
>
> Tim Streater:
> > "Lose" has not become "loose", and any fucker who thinks it has gets the
> > rough side of my tongue.
>
> > I first encountered this error in California circa 1990. The problem is
> > the large number of those whose first language is not English who think
> > it is correct.
>
> You mean the sharp tip of your pen. It's in writing that this occurs,
> not in speech. And it's native English speakers who can't or don't read
> who say things like "...better then the old version..." and "might
> loose all my files..."
think it's a typo, where "finger memory" kicks in.
One I really cannot stand is "I could of done something". Phonetically
there is little difference from the shortened form "could've", but in
certain areas of the UK (and maybe other countries too) "could of" is
what you actually hear.
--
Paul Sture
Paul Sture
Oct 19, 2012, 6:48:24 AM10/19/12
to
In article <timstreater-44F6...@news.individual.net>,
> to notice this at technical meetings I went to on the Continent. Always
> held in English, always the danger of errors such as the above being
> perpetuated.
But mistakes by native English speakers on the internet don't help
non-native speakers.
> Not that one would blame them, I used to do the same when I
> was at CERN: pick up some bit of French and then use it incorrectly.
> It's the English mother-tongue folk who then pick it up and who ought to
> know better.
Conversely there are cases where non-native speakers will correct our
English, because they learned the proper grammatical constructs. This
one also works the other way around, where I can spot grammatical
mistakes in German (and used to do in French).
We tend not to learn the grammatical rules of our own language very
well; instead we use what sounds or looks correct. I was cheerfully
unaware that English used subjunctives until I came across them in Latin
and French, for example.
--
Paul Sture
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <181020121057423871%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
> wrote:
>
> In article <181020121057423871%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Davoud:
> > > > idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> > > > that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> > > > evolution of the language?
> >
> > Tim Streater:
> > > "Lose" has not become "loose", and any fucker who thinks it has gets the
> > > rough side of my tongue.
> >
> > > I first encountered this error in California circa 1990. The problem is
> > > the large number of those whose first language is not English who think
> > > it is correct.
> >
> > You mean the sharp tip of your pen. It's in writing that this occurs,
> > not in speech. And it's native English speakers who can't or don't read
> > who say things like "...better then the old version..." and "might
> > loose all my files..."
>
> It's the non-native English speakers speaking amongst themselves. I used
> > > > idea that "sex" is a naughty word. Will someone be explaining one day
> > > > that the word "than" became "then" or "lose" became "loose" by natural
> > > > evolution of the language?
> >
> > Tim Streater:
> > > "Lose" has not become "loose", and any fucker who thinks it has gets the
> > > rough side of my tongue.
> >
> > > I first encountered this error in California circa 1990. The problem is
> > > the large number of those whose first language is not English who think
> > > it is correct.
> >
> > You mean the sharp tip of your pen. It's in writing that this occurs,
> > not in speech. And it's native English speakers who can't or don't read
> > who say things like "...better then the old version..." and "might
> > loose all my files..."
>
> to notice this at technical meetings I went to on the Continent. Always
> held in English, always the danger of errors such as the above being
> perpetuated.
But mistakes by native English speakers on the internet don't help
non-native speakers.
> Not that one would blame them, I used to do the same when I
> was at CERN: pick up some bit of French and then use it incorrectly.
> It's the English mother-tongue folk who then pick it up and who ought to
> know better.
Conversely there are cases where non-native speakers will correct our
English, because they learned the proper grammatical constructs. This
one also works the other way around, where I can spot grammatical
mistakes in German (and used to do in French).
We tend not to learn the grammatical rules of our own language very
well; instead we use what sounds or looks correct. I was cheerfully
unaware that English used subjunctives until I came across them in Latin
and French, for example.
--
Paul Sture
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zulu
Oct 19, 2012, 10:42:49 AM10/19/12
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"Lewis" <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
news:slrnk7v80e....@mbp55.local...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Things I used it (siri) for today:
>
> Show me my schedule
> Show my my shopping list
> What's the weather like today
> Send a message to {several times to several people}
> Open Downcasts/tweetbot/Safari/1password/warcraft/etc
> Guide me to {a couple of places}
> Set a timer for 7 minutes
> On October 29th remind me to call Bob
> Add bacon to the shopping list
>
> Almost all of those where when I was in my car, but not all.
Seems to me that you should be paying more attention to your driving.....<g>
--
zulu
George Kerby
Oct 19, 2012, 10:56:30 AM10/19/12
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On 10/18/12 11:54 AM, in article
fmoore-D2FAFA....@news.eternal-september.org, "Fred Moore"
--
If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you are not a racist, you'll have to
vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you are not an idiot.
Davoud
Oct 19, 2012, 11:11:13 AM10/19/12
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Lewis:
> > Things I used it (siri) for today:
> > Show me my schedule
> > Show my my shopping list
> > What's the weather like today
> > Send a message to {several times to several people}
> > Open Downcasts/tweetbot/Safari/1password/warcraft/etc
> > Guide me to {a couple of places}
> > Set a timer for 7 minutes
> > On October 29th remind me to call Bob
> > Add bacon to the shopping list
> > Almost all of those where when I was in my car, but not all.
zulu:
> > Show me my schedule
> > Show my my shopping list
> > What's the weather like today
> > Send a message to {several times to several people}
> > Open Downcasts/tweetbot/Safari/1password/warcraft/etc
> > Guide me to {a couple of places}
> > Set a timer for 7 minutes
> > On October 29th remind me to call Bob
> > Add bacon to the shopping list
> > Almost all of those where when I was in my car, but not all.
> Seems to me that you should be paying more attention to your driving.....<g>
Don't make no difference. The bacon is gonna kill 'im anyway.
JF Mezei
Oct 19, 2012, 12:27:52 PM10/19/12
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>> > and "might
>> > loose all my files..."
This can happen on an iPhone or other IOS devices. If you press on a
>> > loose all my files..."
file long enough, it causes a process where all the files become loose
and wiggle so you can move them around ;-)
(some would argue that the correct wording would be "might loosen all my
files" though :-)
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Oct 19, 2012, 4:52:31 PM10/19/12
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In article <slrnk83bp9....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> I think you can be pretty safe in assuming that any rumors of Apple
> price increases will be wrong. Apple is very hesitant to move base
> prices on existing products.
so hesitant, that they just did it with the ipod touch, raising it 50%,
from $199 to $299.
however, they did keep last year's model around for $199.
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> I think you can be pretty safe in assuming that any rumors of Apple
> price increases will be wrong. Apple is very hesitant to move base
> prices on existing products.
so hesitant, that they just did it with the ipod touch, raising it 50%,
from $199 to $299.
however, they did keep last year's model around for $199.
Your Name
Oct 19, 2012, 5:06:21 PM10/19/12
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In article <50817f89$0$57913$c3e8da3$9b4f...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
them or the iLasoo to round them up again. ;-)
<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > and "might
> >> > loose all my files..."
>
> This can happen on an iPhone or other IOS devices. If you press on a
> file long enough, it causes a process where all the files become loose
> and wiggle so you can move them around ;-)
If all your files are loose, you might need to get the iSpanner to tighten
> >> >
> >> > and "might
> >> > loose all my files..."
>
> This can happen on an iPhone or other IOS devices. If you press on a
> file long enough, it causes a process where all the files become loose
> and wiggle so you can move them around ;-)
them or the iLasoo to round them up again. ;-)
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