128 GB iPad

[Opple Ipad]

Anyone besides myself get one yet?

Opple Opad

[Wes Groleau]

On 02-17-2013 17:43, Opple Ipad wrote:
> Anyone besides myself get one yet?

Still doing fine with sixteen Gig.

And no, I'm not impressed. I can afford it, too.

--
Wes Groleau

Always listen to experts. They’ll tell you
what can't be done and why. Then do it.
— Robert A. Heinlein (as Lazarus Long)

[MrTallyman]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:27:15 -0500, Wes Groleau
<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:

>On 02-17-2013 17:43, Opple Ipad wrote:
>> Anyone besides myself get one yet?
>
>Still doing fine with sixteen Gig.
>
>And no, I'm not impressed. I can afford it, too.

Resale value, ya dope. Whether you use it or not. If you "can afford
it", then you should get it, because you will get the best return when
you go to sell it.

[Frank O'Connor]

On 2013-02-17 22:43:09 +0000, Opple Ipad said:

> Anyone besides myself get one yet?
>
> Opple Opad

Yeah … I got one.

My little sister is delighted …. because she's getting the old iPad.

Impressions: It's much quicker tha the Gen 2 and 3, I like having all
that extra storage, it seems to operate pretty flawlessly, sound
doesn’t drop out under IOS 6/6.1 like it did on the old iPad. All up
it's been a pretty sooth transition.

[Tom Stiller]

In article <dqf3i8htnvnppp09d...@4ax.com>,

Let's see: if he doesn't buy it he gets 100% return on his investment;
if he buys it and later sells it, what can he expect?

--
PRAY, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce

[MrTallyman]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:13:20 -0500, Tom Stiller <tom_s...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Let's see: if he doesn't buy it he gets 100% return on his investment;
>if he buys it and later sells it, what can he expect?

I suggest you look up the word "investment".

If he doesn't buy it there is no investment, ya dope.

[Erilar]

Opple Ipad <Op...@Opple.com> wrote:
> Anyone besides myself get one yet?
>
> Opple Opad

Didn't know they came that big! My 64 is still only half full.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

[Savageduck]

On 2013-02-18 08:06:01 -0800, Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> said:

> Opple Ipad <Op...@Opple.com> wrote:
>> Anyone besides myself get one yet?
>>
>> Opple Opad
>
> Didn't know they came that big! My 64 is still only half full.

Well, once you pick up a "Cameramator" to use with your DSLR that 128GB
will be nice to have. The associated apps for iDevices and Macs are
going to be available later this month.
< http://www.hypershop.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=231 >


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Tom Stiller]

In article <uki4i8lbhqn3pea36...@4ax.com>,

MrTallyman <MrTal...@BananaCountersRUs.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:13:20 -0500, Tom Stiller <tom_s...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Let's see: if he doesn't buy it he gets 100% return on his investment;
> >if he buys it and later sells it, what can he expect?
>
> I suggest you look up the word "investment".

Fair enough. Meanwhile you might look up the word "depreciation".

>
> If he doesn't buy it there is no investment, ya dope.

Yep, you got me.

[Trust No One�]

"Opple Ipad" <Op...@Opple.com> wrote in message
news:55n2i85q0eocngihs...@4ax.com...

> Anyone besides myself get one yet?
>
> Opple Opad

No point in my upgrading from my "limited edition new iPad - let's not go
there" given that the next iPad revision is apparently out later this year
:)

Might go to the 128Gb revision then.

--
Peter <X-Files fan>

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, MrTallyman said:

> >And no, I'm not impressed. I can afford it, too.
> Resale value, ya dope. Whether you use it or not. If you "can afford

Yep, resale value. How much is a used iPad 2 going for these days?
Less than what I got mine for new, which was already less than when it
was current because I got it after the iPad 3 was released.

Physical products value goes DOWN as time moves forward, not up. An
item's value starts to go down the instant it is purchased and anyone
who pays more than what it would cost new is stupid. It's not like
these are collectors items (yet).

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
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"I'm here to pick up some women." "You'll have better luck at bars."
(Vir Coto and Mr. Garibaldi, B5 "Soul Mates")

[David Empson]

Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org> wrote:

> Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, MrTallyman said:
>
> > >And no, I'm not impressed. I can afford it, too.
> > Resale value, ya dope. Whether you use it or not. If you "can afford
>
> Yep, resale value. How much is a used iPad 2 going for these days?
> Less than what I got mine for new, which was already less than when it
> was current because I got it after the iPad 3 was released.
>
> Physical products value goes DOWN as time moves forward, not up. An
> item's value starts to go down the instant it is purchased and anyone
> who pays more than what it would cost new is stupid. It's not like
> these are collectors items (yet).

Agreed in general, but one recent exception: the 2nd generation Apple TV
is often selling second hand for more than its brand new price, because
it can be jailbroken but the 3rd generation model cannot.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Davoud]

MrTallyman:

> > Resale value, ya dope. Whether you use it or not. If you "can afford
> > it", then you should get it, because you will get the best return when
> > you go to sell it.

Tom Stiller:

> Let's see: if he doesn't buy it he gets 100% return on his investment;
> if he buys it and later sells it, what can he expect?

I don't claim that this is implicit, but I read "If you can afford it,
why should you care what you get for it when you have finished with
it?" I take care of my stuff and when I'm finished with it I put it on
eBay or Craigslist and price it a hair below average for quick sale.
Every buyer happy, so far.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

[MrTallyman]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:16:28 -0500, Tom Stiller <tom_s...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Fair enough. Meanwhile you might look up the word "depreciation".
>>

In any other instance, you might be right.

It is certain, however, that you have never investigated
such a thing as it relates to iPads, and their resale value retention.

Oh and my original, non-upgraded PS3 currently sells for more than I
paid for it. Mine, even more so, since I upgraded the hard drive.

And my $2k Predator pool cue hasn't lost a cent in value either.

[MrTallyman]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:54:11 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org>
wrote:

>Yep, resale value. How much is a used iPad 2 going for these days?

How close to their original sale prices are the maxed out versions of
anything going for?

You don't know much.

Cars are the same way. An original SS Chevelle sells for $40k.
The shitbox 6 cylinder grocery getter version is currently sitting in a
junk yard rusting.

You were saying?

[MrTallyman]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:54:11 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org>
wrote:

>Physical products value goes DOWN as time moves forward, not up.

MOST, but certainly not all, and that is the bit you are missing.

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, David Empson said:

> Agreed in general, but one recent exception: the 2nd generation Apple TV
> is often selling second hand for more than its brand new price, because
> it can be jailbroken but the 3rd generation model cannot.

There should be one shortly, evasi0n for the portable devices on iOS6.x
has been out for a week or two now.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
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"You must save the eye that does not see. You must not kill the one
who is already dead. And at the last, you must surrender yourself to
your greatest fear knowing that it will destroy you." (Lady Morella,
B5 "Point Of No Return")

[David Empson]

Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org> wrote:

> Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, David Empson said:
>
> > Agreed in general, but one recent exception: the 2nd generation Apple TV
> > is often selling second hand for more than its brand new price, because
> > it can be jailbroken but the 3rd generation model cannot.
>
> There should be one shortly, evasi0n for the portable devices on iOS6.x
> has been out for a week or two now.

Now that I've had a look for it, I see that one is allegedly in the
works, probably to be released later this month.

Thanks for the correction. Add a "(yet)" to end of my quoted sentence
above. :-)

Those wanting to profit on selling their ATV2 better get in quick.

I note that the ATV3 is almost a year old. Time for a new model soon?
The ATV2 was sold for about eighteen months.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Brian]

Opple Ipad <Op...@Opple.com> wrote:
> Anyone besides myself get one yet?
>
> Opple Opad

It does not matter how big the storage memory is as you will always run out
of memory. I have a 64 GB iPad 2 which is low on storage memory and I
mostly have apps on it.

--
Regards Brian

[bj]

David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>
>> Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, David Empson said:
>>
>>> Agreed in general, but one recent exception: the 2nd generation Apple TV
>>> is often selling second hand for more than its brand new price, because
>>> it can be jailbroken but the 3rd generation model cannot.
>>
>

> Those wanting to profit on selling their ATV2 better get in quick.
>
> I note that the ATV3 is almost a year old. Time for a new model soon?
> The ATV2 was sold for about eighteen months.

What's the difference between the ATV2 and the 3 (other than the JB aspect)
and how can you tell what you have?
bj

[Lloyd]

In article
<1982378180382972013....@free.teranews.com>,

Wow! I have a 32Gb iPad (1) and don't have 1/3 of it full yet. If I
were to buy a new iPad it would be the 16Gb version.

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, MrTallyman said:

> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:54:11 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Yep, resale value. How much is a used iPad 2 going for these days?
> How close to their original sale prices are the maxed out versions of
> anything going for?

"close to" does not equate to "same as" or "more than".

> You don't know much.

Nor you.

> Cars are the same way. An original SS Chevelle sells for $40k.
> The shitbox 6 cylinder grocery getter version is currently sitting in a
> junk yard rusting.
>
> You were saying?

If in good condition, that original SS Chevelle, unlike an iPad, is a
collector's item. And how many years did it depreciate in value before
it became a collector's item? 30 years? I bought my current car new
10 years ago for roughly $27,000. It is now worth about 10% of that,
and it is not a "shit box grocery getter".

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
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Members of my Legion of Terror will attend seminars on Sensitivity
Training. It's good public relations for them to be kind and courteous
to the general population when not actively engaged in sowing chaos
and destruction.

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, Lewis said:

> > How close to their original sale prices are the maxed out versions of
> > anything going for?
>

> I sold one iPhone 3GS for just a hair under $400, almost double what I
> paid for it.

My iPhone 5 cost me $200 on contract as a subsidized purchase. The
full retail value, however, if purchased without a contract, is $650.

When the 3GS was new, the full retail value was about the same
($600~$700 depending on capacity). So, how much more than its original
actual worth did you get for it, again?

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #154.
I will instruct my Legions of Terror in proper search techniques. In
particular, if they are searching for escapees and someone shouts,
"Quick! They went that way!", they must first ascertain the identity
of this helpful informant before dashing off in hot pursuit.

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, David Empson said:

> I note that the ATV3 is almost a year old. Time for a new model soon?
> The ATV2 was sold for about eighteen months.

There are a few rumors or speculations floating around the iMore site
on the next-gen ATV.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
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clearance level Ultra-Violet Alpha and +I'm+ not considered authorized
personnel?" (Mr. Garibaldi, B5 "A Voice in the Wilderness I")

[Erilar]

I initially planned to buy. 16, but then realized it was half the size of
my iPod and doubled it. If I'd bought the 16, it would be close tonif not
full now. For me, that was the right move.

[Erilar]

My camera is a separate device with capabilities no iPad is going to have
for many generations, and it fits in a smaller pocket as well.

[Savageduck]

Strange my cameras are separate devices with capabilities no iPad is
going to have EVER! Unfortunately my DSLR, a D300S + battery grip, does
not fit in any pocket, though I have a Canon G11 which might fit in
some of my pockets. I don't use the iPad camera.

You might have missed the point of my post. That is, quite a few
photographers are using iPads for intermediary storage (for that the
28GB would be nice), remote control, tethered and Wi-Fi shooting, and
other features only now maturing for photographers using an iPad as a
tool.
Here are a few examples of some of those applications:
< http://www.ononesoftware.com/products/dslr-camera-remote/ >
< http://www.camranger.com/features/ >
<
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/urashid/cameramator-wireless-tethered-photography
>

...some have been around awhile;
< http://www.eye.fi/features >
< http://www.eye.fi/products/iphone >
< http://www.shuttersnitch.com/ >

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Lloyd]

In article <michelle-FF8320...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article
> <lloydparsons-E033...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> Lloyd <lloydp...@me.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow! I have a 32Gb iPad (1) and don't have 1/3 of it full yet. If I
> > were to buy a new iPad it would be the 16Gb version.
>

> I have a 16 GB iPad, and had only 2 GB free on it until I switched music
> from being stored on it to music in the cloud; now I have 4.75 GB free. My
> 16 GB iPhone has only 1.48 GB free because I'm still storing music on it.
>
> I'll probably spring for the 32 GB models of each next time I get
> replacements for them.

I don't keep music on mine, get it in the cloud since I don't listen to
it while driving which is the only time I don't have 'net access with it.

And I don't do videos on it at all and very few photos.

Mostly apps and books. My 32Gb iPad has about 21Gb free.

[nospam]

In article <slrnki7sf3....@mbp55.local>, Lewis

<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> > How close to their original sale prices are the maxed out versions of
> >> > anything going for?
> >>
> >> I sold one iPhone 3GS for just a hair under $400, almost double what I
> >> paid for it.
>
> > My iPhone 5 cost me $200 on contract as a subsidized purchase. The
> > full retail value, however, if purchased without a contract, is $650.
>
> > When the 3GS was new, the full retail value was about the same
> > ($600~$700 depending on capacity). So, how much more than its original
> > actual worth did you get for it, again?
>

> I will used small sentences.

perhaps you need to use even smaller ones.

> I paid $200. I sold it. For almost $400.

you paid $200 *plus* 2 years of monthly fees, which are probably in the
$100/mo range.

[DevilsPGD]

In the last episode of <190220131720491732%nos...@nospam.invalid>,

You're both right. He only paid $200, since he'd have paid the monthly
fees even if he'd bought an unsubsidized phone.

However, the full cost of the phone wasn't $200, it was $200 plus the
early-termination-fee.

--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.

[DevilsPGD]

In the last episode of <kg0ll2$gv9$3...@dont-email.me>, Erilar

Weird. My iPad is a separate device with capabilities no camera is going
to have for many generations, and it's far thinner too.

[George Kerby]

On 2/19/13 2:52 PM, in article
2013021912522499097-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"

<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2013-02-19 12:00:34 -0800, Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> said:
>
>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>> On 2013-02-18 08:06:01 -0800, Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> said:
>>>
>>>> Opple Ipad <Op...@Opple.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anyone besides myself get one yet?
>>>>>>> Opple Opad
>>>>> Didn't know they came that big! My 64 is still only half full.
>>>
>>> Well, once you pick up a "Cameramator" to use with your DSLR that 128GB
>>> will be nice to have. The associated apps for iDevices and Macs are going
>>> to be available later this month.
>>> < http://www.hypershop.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=231 >
>>>
>>
>> My camera is a separate device with capabilities no iPad is going to have
>> for many generations, and it fits in a smaller pocket as well.
>
> Strange my cameras are separate devices with capabilities no iPad is
> going to have EVER! Unfortunately my DSLR, a D300S + battery grip, does
> not fit in any pocket, though I have a Canon G11 which might fit in
> some of my pockets. I don't use the iPad camera.
>
> You might have missed the point of my post. That is, quite a few
> photographers are using iPads for intermediary storage (for that the
> 28GB would be nice), remote control, tethered and Wi-Fi shooting, and
> other features only now maturing for photographers using an iPad as a
> tool.

My iPad is primarily for showing Portfolio to prospective clients rather
than the old zippered portfolip full of mounted 11" x 14" prints.

Also to display my "proofs" to the client so they may choose from my files
just which ones they have the most interest before I work on their favs in
Post with various software for final delivery.

So my choice of 64GB model may have been overkill for most, but better to
have a larger tank for fuel than to run out and be stalled. Actually, I am
just slightly beyond 30GB with my full music collection...

[nospam]

In article <qs48i8t5tpjgu6epb...@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD

<booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:

> However, the full cost of the phone wasn't $200, it was $200 plus the
> early-termination-fee.

plus a minimum of two months of service (you have to return the phone
if you keep it for only one month), so it ends up being around the
$600-700, as originally stated.

[DevilsPGD]

In the last episode of <190220131925401157%nos...@nospam.invalid>,

At least the mobile contracts I've read, there's no such clause that
*requires* that. They might want you to do that, but you could receive
the phone on #1 and cancel it that day without returning the phone if
you really wanted.

Try "I threw it off a bridge" so that their little minds understand you
aren't going to return the phone.

[Savageduck]

...and that is my primary photographic use of my 64GB ipad. All of the
images on my iPad have been processed using Lightroom & CS5 on my Mac
and exported to the iPad where each resides in in an appropriate album.

> Also to display my "proofs" to the client so they may choose from my files
> just which ones they have the most interest before I work on their favs in
> Post with various software for final delivery.

Well, George you are aware of my hobbyist photographer status, so my
"clients" are currently limited to friends & family.

> So my choice of 64GB model may have been overkill for most, but better to
> have a larger tank for fuel than to run out and be stalled. Actually, I am
> just slightly beyond 30GB with my full music collection...

With those image files, Apps, some music, some Podcasts, some books,
all my manuals, and a rotation of 2-3 movies I have about 28GB
available on my 64GB iPad2.

I am seriously delving into the potential of Wi-Fi tethering and remote
functions. On a typical walk-about shoot I probably fill about 6-16GB.
A couple of days up at Yosemite, or elsewhere in the Sierras might see
16-30GB. At an event shoot such as a day at car show, airshow, race
track, I might run up 20-50GB of shots. My current "on the road" in
the field storage is a 250GB Colorspace UDMA. So having my iPad in my
backpack (it fits) loading as I shoot via Wi-Fi is appealing, and
having the 128GB iPad just gives me that little bit of extra room to
have what I currently have loaded and space for more.
...so for 8-16GB walk-around shooting the 64GB iPad should do. For
anything more intensive the 128GB would be better.

Consider how you as a photographer can utilized something such as this
and have your digital portfolio:
< http://www.camranger.com/features/ >

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Savageduck]

BTW: I keep the bulk of my music on a 160GB iPod Classic which spends
most of its life in the glove box of my E350 connected to the sound
system, and I have 69.5GB free on that. I also have a 60GB iPod Touch
which has 49.1GB available and 8.8GB used.

My 32GB iPhone 4S has 17.5GB available, 6.4GB used for music, some
Podcasts, plenty of Apps, including off-line maps, and 313MB of images.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[MrTallyman]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:42:22 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org>

wrote:

>Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, MrTallyman said:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:54:11 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Yep, resale value. How much is a used iPad 2 going for these days?
>> How close to their original sale prices are the maxed out versions of
>> anything going for?
>
>"close to" does not equate to "same as" or "more than".

Pretty stupid response, child.

The point was that the maxed out versions typically sell for more than
they were stickered at.

[MrTallyman]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:42:22 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org>
wrote:

> I bought my current car new
>10 years ago for roughly $27,000. It is now worth about 10% of that,
>and it is not a "shit box grocery getter".

Yes, it is. IF you had gotten the "loaded" version, it would still
have much of that lost value you are crying about.

Go look at any used car ad, asshole.

Try to figure out what "loaded" means, and then try to figure out what
kind of difference that makes.

And yes, iPads are collectible.

Hell, there are logitech mice that sell for twice what they were new,
in used and abused condition.

[MrTallyman]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:50:02 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org>
wrote:

> So, how much more than its original
>actual worth did you get for it, again?

"Original actual worth" IS the selling price, asshole, NOT the MSRP
sticker.

Keep dancing, dork.

[MrTallyman]

Mine has astrology apps, the Audubon birds app, and their insects app.
And a whole bunch of music and synth apps.

And some time passing apps/games like spades and hearts and solitaire.
and I have engineering apps for fasteners and metal gauges, etc. and I
have RDP apps to perform remote sessions on a windows box, and I have a
remote telnet session app for Linux as well.

[bj]

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <slrnki75kd....@mbp55.local>,
> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>>> What's the difference between the ATV2 and the 3 (other than the JB aspect)
>>
>> 1080p video
>>
>>> and how can you tell what you have?
>>
>> It's rather hard. YOu have to check the part number, as I recall.
>
> It's actually easy; check to see whether there's a 1080P option in settings.

Thanks. I figured (by its vintage) that it was 2, and checking available
video settings confirmed -- only up to 720 (or whatever it was, certainly
not 1080). Certainly plenty good enough for me, I'm no video snob.

I need to go around & put little labels on my gadgets to help me remember
things like this.
bj

[Brian]

Lloyd <lloydp...@me.com> wrote:
> In article

> <1982378180382972013....@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>

>> Opple Ipad <Op...@Opple.com> wrote:
>>> Anyone besides myself get one yet?
>>>
>>> Opple Opad
>>

>> It does not matter how big the storage memory is as you will always run out
>> of memory. I have a 64 GB iPad 2 which is low on storage memory and I
>> mostly have apps on it.
>

> Wow! I have a 32Gb iPad (1) and don't have 1/3 of it full yet. If I
> were to buy a new iPad it would be the 16Gb version.

I keep my music on the iPod.
Some games on the iPad are very graphic so they need more storage memory.
Some updates for apps case them to become bigger in size.
To make the iPad a useful device you need to have plenty of apps.
I also download apps when they are on special so the number of apps I have
starts to get big.

--
Regards Brian

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Did you even look at the item? Cameramator, or something like it, is
something I'd be interested in getting when I upgrade my DSLR to
something newer with Live View. It's not a camera itself, it plugs
into a camera and connects to the iDevice via WiFi.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
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should lead directly to the heart of the reactor core. If that is
unavoidable, all such exhaust ports should have closeable reinforced
blast doors at every other level, and alternate routes of venting in
case of emergency.

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, Lloyd said:

> Mostly apps and books. My 32Gb iPad has about 21Gb free.

Want to trade iPads, then? I've got a 16GB unit with about 4.5GB free,
no music is stored on it. It's all apps, books and photos.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #28.
My pet monster will be kept in a secure cage from which it cannot
escape and into which I could not accidentally stumble.

[Savageduck]

On 2013-02-19 18:40:33 -0800, MrTallyman

<MrTal...@BananaCountersRUs.org> said:

> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:11:01 -0600, Lloyd <lloydp...@me.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <michelle-FF8320...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <lloydparsons-E033...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> Lloyd <lloydp...@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow! I have a 32Gb iPad (1) and don't have 1/3 of it full yet. If I
>>>> were to buy a new iPad it would be the 16Gb version.
>>>
>>> I have a 16 GB iPad, and had only 2 GB free on it until I switched music
>>> from being stored on it to music in the cloud; now I have 4.75 GB free. My
>>> 16 GB iPhone has only 1.48 GB free because I'm still storing music on it.
>>>
>>> I'll probably spring for the 32 GB models of each next time I get
>>> replacements for them.
>>
>> I don't keep music on mine, get it in the cloud since I don't listen to
>> it while driving which is the only time I don't have 'net access with it.
>>
>> And I don't do videos on it at all and very few photos.
>>
>> Mostly apps and books. My 32Gb iPad has about 21Gb free.
>
> Mine has astrology apps, the Audubon birds app, and their insects app.
> And a whole bunch of music and synth apps.

I also have the Audubon Bird & Butterflies App, but I prefer iBird Pro
6.1 as a guide.
< https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-pro-guide-to-birds/id308018823?mt=8 >

Then I have the NASA app, TED, Photoshop Touch, Adobe Nav, The
Photographer's Ephemeris, Flipboard, Discovery News, Zinio (for some
subscriptions), AllThingsD, Noteshelf, Downcast, Intellicast HD,
Flightradar24, Flightboard, ArtStudio, PDFpen, Dropbox, Pogoplug,
Skype, Filechute, Transfer, and a bunch of books and manuals in iBooks.

Then I have my GPS, Nav, & travel bunch:
MotionX-GPS, Theodolite, Spyglass, MapsWithMe, MapQuest, Galileo, Topo
Maps, NG National Parks Guides, NG Park Maps, Park Wildlife, Google
Earth, AMEX Travel, Hipmunk, Travelnerd Airports.

For visual entertainment:
AMC Mobile, HBO GO, MAX GO, Netflix, YouTube, and plenty of other
network stuff.

...and more.

>
> And some time passing apps/games like spades and hearts and solitaire.

Yup! I get hooked into solitaire from time to time. ;-)

> and I have engineering apps for fasteners and metal gauges, etc. and I
> have RDP apps to perform remote sessions on a windows box, and I have a
> remote telnet session app for Linux as well.

There is no doubt that there is much more available for both iPhone and
iPad than the frivolous.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, Lewis said:

> > My iPhone 5 cost me $200 on contract as a subsidized purchase. The
> > full retail value, however, if purchased without a contract, is $650.
>
> > When the 3GS was new, the full retail value was about the same

> > ($600~$700 depending on capacity). So, how much more than its original

> > actual worth did you get for it, again?
>

> I will used small sentences.

So will I.

> I paid $200. I sold it. For almost $400.

Retail price was $600 when new.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

"When man invented fire, he didn’t say, 'hey, let’s cook', he said,
'great, now we can see naked bottoms in the dark." - Steve Taylor,
Coupling "Inferno"

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, MrTallyman said:

Can't win by logic, so you resort to abuse? Consider yourself ignored,
and go tally someone's bananas.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #34.
I will not turn into a snake. It never helps.

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, George Kerby said:

> Also to display my "proofs" to the client so they may choose from my files
> just which ones they have the most interest before I work on their favs in
> Post with various software for final delivery.

I did that at my cousin's wedding last summer. I showed my Aunt
(mother of the bride) some of my first-round photos between the
ceremony and reception, and two things happened: I made her cry, and I
didn't get my iPad back for nearly a half hour.

(She also had copies of my photos before the professional had made hers
available to the bride and groom.)

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #74.
When I create a multimedia presentation of my plan designed so that my
five-year-old advisor can easily understand the details, I will not
label the disk "Project Overlord" and leave it lying on top of my
desk.

[nospam]

In article <michelle-BEAFB4...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > I paid $200. I sold it. For almost $400.
> >
> > you paid $200 *plus* 2 years of monthly fees, which are probably in the
> > $100/mo range.
>

> The monthly fees are the same whether he bought it for $200 or for $600;
> they don't count in figuring out how much he paid for the iPhone.

of course it counts and no, they're not the same.

part of that monthly fee pays off the subsidy that let you buy it for
$200. if you pay full price, you aren't tied to a contract and can get
a much cheaper monthly plan, in some cases, significantly so.

t-mobile announced an end to subsidies so that they can offer cheaper
monthly plans. when they offer the iphone later this spring, it will be
full price, as will their other phones. several mvnos already work that
way.

[TheQuickBrownFox]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:34:17 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org>

wrote:

>Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, MrTallyman said:
>
>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:50:02 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > So, how much more than its original
>> >actual worth did you get for it, again?
>>
>> "Original actual worth" IS the selling price, asshole, NOT the MSRP
>> sticker.
>>
>> Keep dancing, dork.
>
>Can't win by logic, so you resort to abuse? Consider yourself ignored,
>and go tally someone's bananas.

If you think that is what got tallied, then you are even more stupid
than my original estimation, dork.

Doesn't take much to tally a chump like you.

[MrTallyman]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 00:08:40 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

>In article <qvc8i85f70rsgba88...@4ax.com>,
> MrTallyman <MrTal...@BananaCountersRUs.org> wrote:
>
>> Pretty stupid response, child.
>
>Fuck off, troll.


nice try, netkkkopkkkunt.

[MrTallyman]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:52:36 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>In message <qgd8i8dmujtf2hfoe...@4ax.com>
> MrTallyman <MrTal...@BananaCountersRUs.org> wrote:
>
>> Mine has astrology apps,
>
>ASTROLOGY apps?
>
>Well, that says a lot.


It says it wasn't a typo.

But I did man to say astronomy. So it was a brain glitch, I suppose.

It has not one astrology app on it. Not even a horoscope.

But your true persona has shined through again... asswipe.

[George Kerby]

On 2/19/13 7:06 PM, in article
201302191706197826-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"

Thanks for the tip, Duck. I will investigate further when I can get back to
it later today.

[George Kerby]

On 2/19/13 11:40 PM, in article
b6o8i8d2qvl1t01dq...@gordol.org, "Jeffrey Kaplan"

<nom...@gordol.org> wrote:

> Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, George Kerby said:
>
>> Also to display my "proofs" to the client so they may choose from my files
>> just which ones they have the most interest before I work on their favs in
>> Post with various software for final delivery.
>
> I did that at my cousin's wedding last summer. I showed my Aunt
> (mother of the bride) some of my first-round photos between the
> ceremony and reception, and two things happened: I made her cry, and I
> didn't get my iPad back for nearly a half hour.
>

;-)

[Lloyd]

In article <mek8i8l9p2c5c6k06...@gordol.org>,

Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org> wrote:

> Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, Lloyd said:
>
> > Mostly apps and books. My 32Gb iPad has about 21Gb free.
>
> Want to trade iPads, then? I've got a 16GB unit with about 4.5GB free,
> no music is stored on it. It's all apps, books and photos.

NO! Mine is the iPad 1 that I got in the first week of introduction and
has run flawlessly ever since. Don't want to change that!

[Erilar]

DevilsPGD <booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
> In the last episode of <kg0ll2$gv9$3...@dont-email.me>, Erilar

> <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> said:
>
>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>> On 2013-02-18 08:06:01 -0800, Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> said:
>>>
>>>> Opple Ipad <Op...@Opple.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anyone besides myself get one yet?
>>>>>>> Opple Opad
>>>>> Didn't know they came that big! My 64 is still only half full.
>>>
>>> Well, once you pick up a "Cameramator" to use with your DSLR that 128GB
>>> will be nice to have. The associated apps for iDevices and Macs are going
>>> to be available later this month.
>>> < http://www.hypershop.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=231 >
>>>
>>
>> My camera is a separate device with capabilities no iPad is going to have
>> for many generations, and it fits in a smaller pocket as well.
>

> Weird. My iPad is a separate device with capabilities no camera is going
> to have for many generations, and it's far thinner too.

My iPad is thinner than my camera(which is just a camera), but considerably
larger in other dimensions, does many things no camera can't, but has no
camera.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

[Erilar]

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2013-02-19 12:00:34 -0800, Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> said:
>
>

>>>>> My camera is a separate device with capabilities no iPad is going to have
>> for many generations, and it fits in a smaller pocket as well.
>

> Strange my cameras are separate devices with capabilities no iPad is
> going to have EVER! Unfortunately my DSLR, a D300S + battery grip, does
> not fit in any pocket, though I have a Canon G11 which might fit in some
> of my pockets. I don't use the iPad camera.
>
> You might have missed the point of my post. That is, quite a few
> photographers are using iPads for intermediary storage (for that the 28GB
> would be nice), remote control, tethered and Wi-Fi shooting, and other
> features only now maturing for photographers using an iPad as a tool.

:
Aha! 8-). Yes my daughter's new camera has many capabilities mine doesn't,
but it needs its own case, not a pocket, and takes such huge fotos that it
could fill an iPad like mine rather quickly!

[Davoud]

Savageduck:

> > > Well, once you pick up a "Cameramator" to use with your DSLR that 128GB
> > > will be nice to have. The associated apps for iDevices and Macs are going
> > > to be available later this month.
> > > < http://www.hypershop.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=231 >

Erilar:

> > My camera is a separate device with capabilities no iPad is going to have
> > for many generations, and it fits in a smaller pocket as well.

Jeffrey Kaplan:

> Did you even look at the item? Cameramator, or something like it, is
> something I'd be interested in getting when I upgrade my DSLR to
> something newer with Live View. It's not a camera itself, it plugs
> into a camera and connects to the iDevice via WiFi.

These devices aren't for everyone. For many people the novelty of these
things will soon wear off. They are probably not suited for a serious
photographer to use outside the studio unless the photographer has an
assistant to schlep her/his gear. Even in the studio one might soon ask
"why bother?" when one is going to be there with the camera and its LCD
display. For some in the studio it will be just as easy to put an MBPro
on a small table next to the camera if one wants instant gratification
on a larger scale. The Mac Canon-control software works very well; I
imagine that the Nikon does as well.

Just this past October I bought a "CamRanger" remote device f/u/w my 5D
Mk III and my iPad 64GB and my Mac. Tried it every which way and found
it worked great. Then I put it away and only now in the context of this
thread did I remember it. I found it after an hour's digging (and I
generally keep my camera stuff neat and labeled--60 seconds is a
typical retrieval time for an accessory). Anyway, I hauled it out, I'm
charging it, and I'm going to try it again. That for $300 or so. YMMV.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, nospam said:

> t-mobile announced an end to subsidies so that they can offer cheaper
> monthly plans. when they offer the iphone later this spring, it will be
> full price, as will their other phones. several mvnos already work that
> way.

Isn't their "no subsidies" an option? And in any case, it's a
marketing gimmick. For most people, dropping $650 on a phone is out of
the question, so T-Mobile is offering a financing option. Which brings
the monthly bill right back up to where it is/was with a subsidized
phone. And if you leave, you still owe them the remainder of the
phone's full value, the equivalent of an early termination fee that in
this case cannot be waived.

At least, that's what the news said when this was announced a couple
months ago.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

"As far as I'm concerned, the transports can wait until the sun
explodes." (Lt. Cmdr. Ivanova, B5 "Points of Departure")

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, Davoud said:

> Jeffrey Kaplan:
> > Did you even look at the item? Cameramator, or something like it, is
> > something I'd be interested in getting when I upgrade my DSLR to
> > something newer with Live View. It's not a camera itself, it plugs
> > into a camera and connects to the iDevice via WiFi.
>
> These devices aren't for everyone. For many people the novelty of these

True, but for those who it is for, it'd be great.

> things will soon wear off. They are probably not suited for a serious
> photographer to use outside the studio unless the photographer has an
> assistant to schlep her/his gear. Even in the studio one might soon ask
> "why bother?" when one is going to be there with the camera and its LCD
> display.

The display on the back of a camera is rather small. My 3rd gen iPod
Touch has a larger, if less ppi dense, display, which also zooms and
pans better, then the panel on the back of my Nikon D40x. Granted,
that camera is now about six years and three generations old.

> For some in the studio it will be just as easy to put an MBPro
> on a small table next to the camera if one wants instant gratification
> on a larger scale. The Mac Canon-control software works very well; I
> imagine that the Nikon does as well.

Yeah, in a studio, a laptop makes more sense. But out in the field,
tablet makes more sense due to portability. Last summer, I replaced my
camera bag with a new one with a tablet slot. It also holds everything
from my camera kit that I actually need out in the field, the camera,
three additional lenses, my flash, some filters, spare battery, camera
connector dongle, other small accessories. No assistant required.

For me, this setup under discussion would be a special case use. The
camera would have to be mounted and used remotely, but I can certainly
see a use for it.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

"Nobody's ever been to the Vorlon Homeworld and come back again yet
she goes, comes back like she took just took a trip to the corner and
now she's working for Kosh. Is anybody else as creeped out about this
as I am?" [Sheridan, Ivanova, and Franklin all raise hands.] (Mr.
Garibaldi, B5 "Passing Through Gethsemane")

[nospam]

In article <michelle-E071FF...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > > > I paid $200. I sold it. For almost $400.
> > > >
> > > > you paid $200 *plus* 2 years of monthly fees, which are probably in
> > > > the $100/mo range.
> > >
> > > The monthly fees are the same whether he bought it for $200 or for
> > > $600; they don't count in figuring out how much he paid for the
> > > iPhone.
> >
> > of course it counts and no, they're not the same.
>

> Yes, they are the same.

nope, the monthly fees aren't the same. not even close. more on that
below.

> > part of that monthly fee pays off the subsidy that let you buy it for
> > $200. if you pay full price, you aren't tied to a contract and can get
> > a much cheaper monthly plan, in some cases, significantly so.
>

> The available plans at both AT&T and Verizon are the same (within each
> company) regardless of whether you have a subsidized phone or not.

those aren't the only two carriers in the world.

> > t-mobile announced an end to subsidies so that they can offer cheaper
> > monthly plans. when they offer the iphone later this spring, it will be
> > full price, as will their other phones. several mvnos already work that
> > way.
>

> Irrelevant. If there's no subsidized phone plan, then you can't compare
> the non-subsidized phone plan to a subsidized one.

of course you can. in fact, that's *exactly* the comparison to make!

t-mobile's plan is $70/mo unlimited, which is on the high side compared
to others.

walmart offers a contract-free unsubsidized iphone 5 for $649 with a
$45/mo unlimited plan, and if it's like other contract-free plans i've
seen, that includes taxes. in ten months, you'll be ahead and after two
years, you'll have saved around $1000 versus at&t.

for even greater savings, virgin mobile offers an iphone 4s (no 5 at
this time) for $449 and plans as low as $30/mo for unlimited text &
data with 300 voice minutes. you'll be ahead in six months, and after
two years, you'll have spent around half than with at&t. need more
voice minutes? $40/mo gets you 1200 voice minutes, plus the same
unlimited text & data.

keep the phone longer than two years and the savings are even higher.
also note that at&t and verizon don't offer unlimited plans, so for
really heavy users who would benefit from unlimited, the savings are
even *more*.

[nospam]

In article <sc0ai8t1mpdkri10a...@gordol.org>, Jeffrey

Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org> wrote:

> And in any case, it's a
> marketing gimmick. For most people, dropping $650 on a phone is out of
> the question, so T-Mobile is offering a financing option.

the financing option doesn't change a thing. people finance a lot of
stuff. why do you think people use credit cards rather than write a
check or pay cash? they end up paying more overall for the convenience
of making monthly payments.

the point is you buy the phone up front and aren't tied to a 2 or 3
year contract, and depending on the monthly plan, you can save quite a
bit of money. t-mobile's plan will be $70/mo, which is not quite as
cheap as other options, but it's better than at&t and verizon's
offerings.

walmart offers a $45 unlimited iphone plan and virgin mobile has a $30
unlimited text/data with 300 minutes voice. you'd be ahead in as little
as six months.

that's no gimmick. that's real savings.

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, nospam said:

> > And in any case, it's a
> > marketing gimmick. For most people, dropping $650 on a phone is out of
> > the question, so T-Mobile is offering a financing option.
>
> the financing option doesn't change a thing. people finance a lot of
> stuff. why do you think people use credit cards rather than write a
> check or pay cash? they end up paying more overall for the convenience
> of making monthly payments.
>
> the point is you buy the phone up front and aren't tied to a 2 or 3
> year contract, and depending on the monthly plan, you can save quite a
> bit of money. t-mobile's plan will be $70/mo, which is not quite as
> cheap as other options, but it's better than at&t and verizon's
> offerings.

They have three tiers, starting at $50, where they throttle data after
a couple hundred megabytes. The next one throttles at 2 gigabytes, the
third claims to not throttle at all. And if you get a phone too
expensive to buy outright you can finance it to your bill, which as I
said, brings the total cost right back up to what you'd pay for a plan
with a subsidized phone from any of the major carriers.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

"They are a strange people, but they are okay." (Amb. Mollari, B5
"The Quality of Mercy")

[Todd Allcock]

At 20 Feb 2013 10:48:58 +0000 Lewis wrote:
> In message <jon8i818phqgbg68n...@gordol.org>

> Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org> wrote:
> > Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, Lewis said:
>
> >> > My iPhone 5 cost me $200 on contract as a subsidized purchase. The
> >> > full retail value, however, if purchased without a contract, is
$650.
> >>
> >> > When the 3GS was new, the full retail value was about the same
> >> > ($600~$700 depending on capacity). So, how much more than its
original
> >> > actual worth did you get for it, again?
> >>
> >> I will used small sentences.
>
> > So will I.
>
> >> I paid $200. I sold it. For almost $400.
>
> > Retail price was $600 when new.
>

> Which is in no way relevant. I bought it new. For $200. I sold it, not
> new, for nearly $400.



I guess it depends on context. I think the origin of this discussion was
when Mr. Trollyman was intimating that "top of the line" electronics
appreciate in value. You may have sold that iPhone for more than you
paid for it, but it didn't increase in value one cent- it would've
fetched well beyond the $400 you eventually sold it for, if you had sold
it immediately after buying it.

[nospam]

In article <kg3c85$89d$1...@dont-email.me>, Todd Allcock

<elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> > > Retail price was $600 when new.
> >
> > Which is in no way relevant. I bought it new. For $200. I sold it, not
> > new, for nearly $400.
>
> I guess it depends on context. I think the origin of this discussion was
> when Mr. Trollyman was intimating that "top of the line" electronics
> appreciate in value. You may have sold that iPhone for more than you
> paid for it, but it didn't increase in value one cent- it would've
> fetched well beyond the $400 you eventually sold it for, if you had sold
> it immediately after buying it.

very true. he probably could have sold it for $500-600 had he not
waited two years, which is not surprisingly, about what it costs new in
a store.

[Todd Allcock]

At 20 Feb 2013 19:58:18 +0000 Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, nospam said:
>
> > > And in any case, it's a
> > > marketing gimmick. For most people, dropping $650 on a phone is
out of
> > > the question, so T-Mobile is offering a financing option.
> >
> > the financing option doesn't change a thing. people finance a lot of
> > stuff. why do you think people use credit cards rather than write a
> > check or pay cash? they end up paying more overall for the convenience
> > of making monthly payments.
> >
> > the point is you buy the phone up front and aren't tied to a 2 or 3
> > year contract, and depending on the monthly plan, you can save quite a
> > bit of money. t-mobile's plan will be $70/mo, which is not quite as
> > cheap as other options, but it's better than at&t and verizon's
> > offerings.
>
> They have three tiers, starting at $50, where they throttle data after
> a couple hundred megabytes. The next one throttles at 2 gigabytes, the
> third claims to not throttle at all. And if you get a phone too
> expensive to buy outright you can finance it to your bill, which as I
> said, brings the total cost right back up to what you'd pay for a plan
> with a subsidized phone from any of the major carriers.

It's even worse than that, IMO, because T-Mo still requires a two-year
contract with these plans! (Supposedly instead of a subsidy being the
perq of the contract, the lower monthly rate is.)

Where this falls apart, of course, is if I buy a subsidized phone on a
"normal" subsidized plan/carrier, and cancel part way through the contract,
I've essentially paid full price for the phone (subsidized price plus
penalty) plus the costs of the service I used. If I cancel part way with
T-Mo's Value plans, I've paid full price for the phone PLUS up to a $200
early termination penalty, plus the service I've used.

For individual users (as opposed to Family plans) the "Monthly 4G"
prepaid plans are probably better, since they're almost identical
($70/month for unlimited everything,) and have no contract. You lose the
"free" financing the Value plans offer, though.

[nospam]

In article <michelle-2FCA06...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > Irrelevant. If there's no subsidized phone plan, then you can't
> > > compare the non-subsidized phone plan to a subsidized one.
> >
> > of course you can. in fact, that's *exactly* the comparison to make!
>

> Only you can compare something to nothing.

i didn't compare something to nothing. where did you even come up with
that idiocy? only you fail to understand what people write.

i'm comparing various cellphone plans and how much each costs.

[Davoud]

Jeffrey Kaplan:

> > They have three tiers, starting at $50, where they throttle data after
> > a couple hundred megabytes. The next one throttles at 2 gigabytes, the
> > third claims to not throttle at all. And if you get a phone too
> > expensive to buy outright you can finance it to your bill, which as I
> > said, brings the total cost right back up to what you'd pay for a plan
> > with a subsidized phone from any of the major carriers.

Todd Allcock:

> It's even worse than that, IMO, because T-Mo still requires a two-year
> contract with these plans! (Supposedly instead of a subsidy being the
> perq of the contract, the lower monthly rate is.)

> Where this falls apart, of course, is if I buy a subsidized phone on a
> "normal" subsidized plan/carrier, and cancel part way through the contract,
> I've essentially paid full price for the phone (subsidized price plus
> penalty) plus the costs of the service I used. If I cancel part way with
> T-Mo's Value plans, I've paid full price for the phone PLUS up to a $200
> early termination penalty, plus the service I've used.

> For individual users (as opposed to Family plans) the "Monthly 4G"
> prepaid plans are probably better, since they're almost identical
> ($70/month for unlimited everything,) and have no contract. You lose the
> "free" financing the Value plans offer, though.

I like my own no-interest, no-fees financing plan. When I want to buy
something that costs more than I can afford to pay, I let want be my
master (got that phrase from my Scottish grandmother) and I don't buy
until I have saved enough money to pay cash. That's called the
old-fashioned way. It's why I keep my cars 10 years or more while I
make payments to myself on the next ones. It also explains why I don't
yet have the new Bentley Flying Spur.

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, Todd Allcock said:

> > They have three tiers, starting at $50, where they throttle data after
> > a couple hundred megabytes. The next one throttles at 2 gigabytes, the
> > third claims to not throttle at all. And if you get a phone too
> > expensive to buy outright you can finance it to your bill, which as I
> > said, brings the total cost right back up to what you'd pay for a plan
> > with a subsidized phone from any of the major carriers.
>
>
> It's even worse than that, IMO, because T-Mo still requires a two-year
> contract with these plans! (Supposedly instead of a subsidy being the
> perq of the contract, the lower monthly rate is.)

Unless they are lying, if you bring your own or buy a phone outright,
you can use one of the "no contract" plans with, *gasp* no contract!
(beyond an "I'll pay you $X for service Y"). No early termination fee,
no penalties.

If you have to finance the phone, though... you'll still owe them the
remainder of the phone's price.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

Jeanne's Two Laws of Chocolate: If there is no chocolate in the house,
there is too little; some must be purchased. If there is chocolate in
the house, there is too much; it must be consumed.

[DevilsPGD]

In the last episode of <slrnki9ak3....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:

>In message <qs48i8t5tpjgu6epb...@4ax.com>
> DevilsPGD <booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>
>> However, the full cost of the phone wasn't $200, it was $200 plus the
>> early-termination-fee.
>
>There was no early termination fee. Where did you get that?

Where can you buy new iPhone for $200, without a contract including a
early termination fee?

--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.

[Neil Ellwood]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:39:08 -0800, DevilsPGD wrote:

> In the last episode of <slrnki9ak3....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:
>
>>In message <qs48i8t5tpjgu6epb...@4ax.com>
>> DevilsPGD <booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>
>>> However, the full cost of the phone wasn't $200, it was $200 plus the
>>> early-termination-fee.
>>
>>There was no early termination fee. Where did you get that?
>
> Where can you buy new iPhone for $200, without a contract including a
> early termination fee?

I don't know. T am happy with my phone - Cost £38 and I use with T-mobile
payg. Have paid £50 over the last 2 years and still have a bal of £32 left.

When my wife stays at our doughters I top up with £10 and get 100 free
text the next month.



--
Neil
Reverse ‘a’ and ‘r’
Remove ‘l’ to get address.

[nospam]

In article <slrnkiccrv....@mbp55.local>, Lewis

<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >>> However, the full cost of the phone wasn't $200, it was $200 plus the
> >>> early-termination-fee.
> >>
> >>There was no early termination fee. Where did you get that?
>
> > Where can you buy new iPhone for $200, without a contract including a
> > early termination fee?
>

> Try to keep up.
>
> Bought a 3GS. Used it. Bought a 4S to replace it. Sold the 3GS for nearly
> $400.
>
> Where did you get the idea there was a termination fee involved?

you clearly do not understand how the cellphone industry works. the
cellular companies love people like you.

if there's no termination fee, then you kept the phone for at least 2
years (the duration of the contract), which means you didn't pay $200,
you paid well over $2000.

[DevilsPGD]

In the last episode of <slrnkiccrv....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:

>In message <oljbi8pecmfvhhv6d...@4ax.com>

> DevilsPGD <booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>> In the last episode of <slrnki9ak3....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
>> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:
>
>>>In message <qs48i8t5tpjgu6epb...@4ax.com>
>>> DevilsPGD <booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> However, the full cost of the phone wasn't $200, it was $200 plus the
>>>> early-termination-fee.
>>>
>>>There was no early termination fee. Where did you get that?
>
>> Where can you buy new iPhone for $200, without a contract including a
>> early termination fee?
>

>Try to keep up.
>
>Bought a 3GS. Used it. Bought a 4S to replace it. Sold the 3GS for nearly $400.
>
>Where did you get the idea there was a termination fee involved?

The cost of the phone wasn't $200, it was significantly higher, but the
cellphone company paid part of that for you.

I'd argue that the actual cost of the phone is what you paid plus the
early termination fee, rather than the total value of the contract,
because the total value of the contact includes the service.

This is similar to if you wanted to buy an Xbox 360 for $299, didn't
have the money and your dad offered to chip in $100 if you mow the grass
for the summer. You might only be out $199, but that doesn't mean you
bought an Xbox 360 for $199.

[Todd Allcock]

At 20 Feb 2013 23:34:58 +0000 Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, Todd Allcock said:
>
> > > They have three tiers, starting at $50, where they throttle data
after
> > > a couple hundred megabytes. The next one throttles at 2 gigabytes,
the
> > > third claims to not throttle at all. And if you get a phone too
> > > expensive to buy outright you can finance it to your bill, which as
I
> > > said, brings the total cost right back up to what you'd pay for a
plan
> > > with a subsidized phone from any of the major carriers.
> >
> >
> > It's even worse than that, IMO, because T-Mo still requires a two-year
> > contract with these plans! (Supposedly instead of a subsidy being the
> > perq of the contract, the lower monthly rate is.)
>
> Unless they are lying, if you bring your own or buy a phone outright,
> you can use one of the "no contract" plans with, *gasp* no contract!
> (beyond an "I'll pay you $X for service Y"). No early termination fee,
> no penalties.

What's confusing you, is the similarities between two of their sets of
plans. The "Value Plans" I'm describing, require contracts, offer no
subsidies, and offer the handset financing. The "Monthly 4G Plans", which
you seem to be describing, are prepaid plans with monthly charges. They
have no contract, offer no subsidies, but do NOT offer handset financing.

In addition, (and more importantly, probably) there are no family plans
on Monthly 4G. Also, the number of plans are limited- you mentioned the
$50, $60 and $70 plans with unlimited voice and text plus varied amounts
of data, all of which have analogous Value plans, but the Value Plans
also offer cheaper variants without texting, or fewer minutes.

> If you have to finance the phone, though... you'll still owe them the
> remainder of the phone's price.

On the Value (contract) plans, yes, but you can't finance phones on the
Monthly 4G (no contract)- you bring your own, or pony up full price up
front.

Also, T-Mo's prepaid plans have a slightly smaller coverage area (some of
the more expensive-to-provide roaming areas, like AT&T roaming, are
omitted from prepaid) and prepaid users can't use call forwarding. Value
plan users are treated systemically the same as "classic plan" (contract
plans with hardware subsidies) customers, whereas Monthly 4G are treated
as any other prepaid customers.

[nospam]

In article <kg5s36$hec$1...@dont-email.me>, Todd Allcock

<elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> On the Value (contract) plans, yes, but you can't finance phones on the
> Monthly 4G (no contract)- you bring your own, or pony up full price up
> front.

isn't that going to be change when they update the plans in a couple of
months?

[Savageduck]

Well he might not have bought his phone from a service provider.
...but why would you buy an iPhone for $600 and have no service?

Paying that $2000+ over two years is part of the cost of operating that
iPhone with the coverage and functionality the majority of users demand
for normal use in the real world.
Certainly you don't have to buy your phone from a service provider, or
have a contract of any sort, but why? That is not the way most folks
live. If you have no carrier, at best you could use it as a Wi-Fi only
device with no cell 3/4G service.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Carl Heinz]

If folks are going to be discussing iPhones instead of 128G iPads, please
change the subject to indicated that it's now a discussion of iPhones. Since
I don't have an iPhone, but am interested in discussions of the 128G iPad,
this would be helpful.

Thanks.
--
Carl Heinz
cfhe...@charter.net
(Remove number)

[nospam]

In article <2013022111370158821-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >> Bought a 3GS. Used it. Bought a 4S to replace it. Sold the 3GS for nearly
> >> $400.
> >>
> >> Where did you get the idea there was a termination fee involved?
> >
> > you clearly do not understand how the cellphone industry works. the
> > cellular companies love people like you.
> >
> > if there's no termination fee, then you kept the phone for at least 2
> > years (the duration of the contract), which means you didn't pay $200,
> > you paid well over $2000.
>
> Well he might not have bought his phone from a service provider.
> ...but why would you buy an iPhone for $600 and have no service?

he can get the service elsewhere, usually for significantly less than
the typical $100/mo at&t charge.

as i posted the other day, virgin mobile has iphone plans for as little
as $30/mo and walmart has an unlimited everything for $45/mo. there are
even cheaper plans for lighter users, including data-only for those who
don't use voice at all (or use voip for voice).

another possibility, although certainly not the common case, is a
developer needs another phone to test their apps. they don't need
another phone with service.

> Paying that $2000+ over two years is part of the cost of operating that
> iPhone with the coverage and functionality the majority of users demand
> for normal use in the real world.

only to those who don't shop around.

cellular companies *love* customers like that.

> Certainly you don't have to buy your phone from a service provider, or
> have a contract of any sort, but why? That is not the way most folks
> live. If you have no carrier, at best you could use it as a Wi-Fi only
> device with no cell 3/4G service.

not having a contract gives the user a lot more flexibility in their
choices. they can switch to a competing carrier at any time, for any
reason. carriers don't like that, which is why they want to lock you in
for 2 years, sometimes longer.

[Savageduck]

On 2013-02-21 11:48:46 -0800, Carl Heinz <cfhe...@charter.net> said:

> If folks are going to be discussing iPhones instead of 128G iPads, please
> change the subject to indicated that it's now a discussion of iPhones. Since
> I don't have an iPhone, but am interested in discussions of the 128G iPad,
> this would be helpful.
>
> Thanks.

For most of this thread I did my bet to stay on track. However, there
are times participation in the unrelated sub-threads can be compelling.
;-)

...and while my 64GB iPad 2 just works fine for me now, I can see
migrating to the 128GB iPad if I use Wi-Fi DSLR tethering on an
extensive basis.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Carl Heinz]

My difficulty isn't the iPhone discussion. I just wish folks would change the
subject for the unrelated sub-threads.

[nospam]

In article <slrnkid5mo....@mbp55.local>, Lewis

<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >>Bought a 3GS. Used it. Bought a 4S to replace it. Sold the 3GS for nearly
> >>$400.
> >>
> >>Where did you get the idea there was a termination fee involved?
>
> > The cost of the phone wasn't $200, it was significantly higher, but the
> > cellphone company paid part of that for you.
>

> No. The cost of the phone was $200.

i have $200 cash. where can i get a new iphone 5 for $200?

unless you can answer that, the price is *not* $200.