Re: Seagate GoFlex
Fred Moore
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> 500 GB external storage for an iOS or Android device, or any computer.
>
> <http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=goflex-satellite-mo
> bile-wireless-seagate-pr&vgnextoid=0deea262bf5ef210VgnVCM1000001a48090aRCRD>
>
> GoFlex Media™ App
> GoFlex Satellite™ Mobile Wireless Storage Expands the Media Capacity
> Without Wires or the Web
>
> SCOTTS VALLEY, Calif. - May 16, 2011 - Seagate (NASDAQ: STX), today
> announced GoFlex Satellite™ mobile wireless storage, the first
> battery-powered external hard drive to wirelessly extend the storage
> capacity of any Wi-Fi enabled mobile device. With 500GB and Wi-Fi access
> over 802.11 b/g/n and a rechargeable battery, this latest member of the
> GoFlex® family provides the ability to carry an entire library of video,
> music, pictures and documents with you. Devices are wirelessly connected
> directly to the GoFlex Satellite drive by use of the free GoFlex Media™
> app–available now on iTunes and the Apple App Store–or a web browser.
> GoFlex Satellite is available immediately for preorder from Seagate.com,
> Amazon and BestBuy.com for a manufacturer's suggested retail price of
> $199.99, and is scheduled to arrive in Best Buy stores in July 2011. Global
> availability is planned for later this summer.
>
> [There's more; I excerpted only the first paragraph.]
Looks like this pretty much knocks the Air Stash ($99)
<http://www.airstash.com/> out of the water, unless you only need 32GB
of storage. Also mostly answers my concerns about having enough storage
on the 16GB versions.
SMS
> SCOTTS VALLEY, Calif. - May 16, 2011 - Seagate (NASDAQ: STX), today
> announced GoFlex Satellite™ mobile wireless storage, the first
> battery-powered external hard drive to wirelessly extend the storage
> capacity of any Wi-Fi enabled mobile device. With 500GB and Wi-Fi access
> over 802.11 b/g/n and a rechargeable battery, this latest member of the
Of course if the mobile device has a host USB port capable of 500mA of
current then any external notebook hard drive could be plugged in
without the need for yet another battery and charger, and without the
need to for battery sucking Wi-Fi. Or a USB stick or SD card could be used.
The Toshiba tablet looks very promising, with its full size SD card
reader and host USB port. I hope that Apple takes note and considers
adding more connectivity to future iPads.
Your Name
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
USB ports?!? How quaintly old fashioned. Apple is changing over to
Thunderbolt ports now. ;-)
Wes Groleau
> GoFlex® family provides the ability to carry an entire library of video,
> music, pictures and documents with you. Devices are wirelessly connected
I already have that ability. It's called "iPhone"
So I don't need an extra device that can't fit in a pocket.
(Although I have one, called "iPad")
:-)
--
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Your Name
> On 05-16-2011 11:05, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > GoFlex® family provides the ability to carry an entire library of video,
> > music, pictures and documents with you. Devices are wirelessly connected
>
> I already have that ability. It's called "iPhone"
>
> So I don't need an extra device that can't fit in a pocket.
>
> (Although I have one, called "iPad")
>
> :-)
Of course, it depends on the size of your "library of video, music,
pictures and documents", but realistically very few people actually NEED
to carry around everything all the time.
Personally, I could fit everything I need to carry around on a floppy
disk, so why hasn't Apple included a floppy drive on the iPhone??? ;-)
JEDIDIAH
> In article <iqutut$h4b$1...@dont-email.me>, Grolea...@FreeShell.org wrote:
>
>> On 05-16-2011 11:05, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> > GoFlex® family provides the ability to carry an entire library of video,
>> > music, pictures and documents with you. Devices are wirelessly connected
>>
>> I already have that ability. It's called "iPhone"
>>
>> So I don't need an extra device that can't fit in a pocket.
>>
>> (Although I have one, called "iPad")
>>
>> :-)
>
> Of course, it depends on the size of your "library of video, music,
> pictures and documents", but realistically very few people actually NEED
> to carry around everything all the time.
It's a media player. Having your entire music collection is a pretty
obvious sort of thing.
The same goes for pictures and documents. Allowing your PMP to be a mobile
backup device is a very handy and useful thing.
[deletia]
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/ | \
News
Surely, you meant to say SuperDrive.
Alan Browne
> 500 GB external storage for an iOS or Android device, or any computer.
>
> <http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=goflex-satellite-mo
> bile-wireless-seagate-pr&vgnextoid=0deea262bf5ef210VgnVCM1000001a48090aRCRD>
>
> GoFlex Media™ App
> GoFlex Satellite™ Mobile Wireless Storage Expands the Media Capacity
> Without Wires or the Web
>
> announced GoFlex Satellite™ mobile wireless storage, the first
> battery-powered external hard drive to wirelessly extend the storage
> capacity of any Wi-Fi enabled mobile device. With 500GB and Wi-Fi access
> over 802.11 b/g/n and a rechargeable battery, this latest member of the
I could see that as a great accessory to the iPad if it would allow me
to store photography while on the road.
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Howard Brazee
wrote:
>Of course, it depends on the size of your "library of video, music,
>pictures and documents", but realistically very few people actually NEED
>to carry around everything all the time.
We don't NEED video, music, picture, nor documents. We can't eat
them.
If I feel like reading a book or listen to a song, it is handy to have
that book or song available to me, wherever I may be.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Alan Browne
> On 05-16-2011 11:05, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> GoFlex® family provides the ability to carry an entire library of video,
>> music, pictures and documents with you. Devices are wirelessly connected
>
> I already have that ability. It's called "iPhone"
32 GB ain't much. That's 2 days of photo shooting for me - and my
iPhone has about 10 GB of music in it already. Not that I can copy
photos from my camera to the iPhone conveniently in any case.
> So I don't need an extra device that can't fit in a pocket.
>
> (Although I have one, called "iPad")
4 days.
The drive Michelle refers to would cover me for a couple weeks with
ample spare room for a few movies for rainy evenings.
Alan Browne
> In article<bLSdnUE-XMYgX07Q...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>> SCOTTS VALLEY, Calif. - May 16, 2011 - Seagate (NASDAQ: STX), today
>>> announced GoFlex Satellite™ mobile wireless storage, the first
>>> battery-powered external hard drive to wirelessly extend the storage
>>> capacity of any Wi-Fi enabled mobile device. With 500GB and Wi-Fi
>>> access over 802.11 b/g/n and a rechargeable battery, this latest
>>> member of the
>>
>> I could see that as a great accessory to the iPad if it would allow me
>> to store photography while on the road.
>
> However, the camera in the iPad is much inferior to the one in the iPHone.
I don't use the cameras in the iPad or iPhone for photography (other
than snapshots).
My camera is a full frame (24x36mm sensor) shooting 24.6 Mpix - about 33
MBytes per image (raw). If there's a DNG converter for the iPad I'd get
that down to about 16 - 18 MB/image. My second camera is 6 Mpix - raw
files are about 8 MB or 5 - 6 MByte in DNG.
AES
> pictures and documents", but realistically very few people actually NEED
> to carry around everything all the time.
. . . but one very often doesn't know in advance just _which_ small
subset of a large library or file collection one is going to want or
need at any given point in time, or on any specific excursion away from
home base.
Alan Browne
> In article<yNWdnV-NxciZSk7Q...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>>> I could see that as a great accessory to the iPad if it would allow
>>>> me to store photography while on the road.
>>>
>>> As I understand the article, that's one of the reasons for the drive.
>>> However, the camera in the iPad is much inferior to the one in the
>>> iPHone.
>>
>> I don't use the cameras in the iPad or iPhone for photography (other
>> than snapshots).
>
Copy files from the camera to the iPad; iPad to the disk.
Minor "road edits" on the iPad to e-mail.
My main objective is to reduce gear when traveling. If I could use an
iPad in lieu of a laptop for travel, I'd be quite set.
Still vacillating 'tween laptop or iPad.
Wes Groleau
> On 2011-05-18, Your Name<your...@isp.com> wrote:
>> In article<iqutut$h4b$1...@dont-email.me>, Grolea...@FreeShell.org wrote:
>>> On 05-16-2011 11:05, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>>> GoFlex® family provides the ability to carry an entire library of video,
>>>> music, pictures and documents with you. Devices are wirelessly connected
>>>
>>> I already have that ability. It's called "iPhone"
>>> So I don't need an extra device that can't fit in a pocket.
>>> (Although I have one, called "iPad")
>>
>> pictures and documents", but realistically very few people actually NEED
>> to carry around everything all the time.
>
> It's a media player. Having your entire music collection is a pretty
> obvious sort of thing.
My entire collection already is on my iPhone. I can listen 24 hours for
weeks without repetition. Also lots of photos, emails, apps,
and more books than I can remember. And there's still plenty of
empty space.
I can't imagine carting around an extra
hunk of metal and silicon just for media.
SMS
> My main objective is to reduce gear when traveling. If I could use an
> iPad in lieu of a laptop for travel, I'd be quite set.
>
> Still vacillating 'tween laptop or iPad.
I'd like a tablet, but whatever I bought would have to have a host USB
port and a memory card slot, like my netbook.
I hate the various kludges that are necessary to get around I/O
limitations of many of the tablets out there. But maybe it's just that
too many people are trying to use tablets for more than just the web
browsing, game playing, and media playback that they were intended for.
1. The Asus Transformer looks good but you only get the USB Host port
and full size SD card slot when you add the optional keyboard/dock.
2. The iPad requires the connectivity kit pieces to read SD cards, and
the only way to transfer to portable mass storage would be something
like the Seagate Goflex wi-fi drive.
3. Most of the Android tablets have an MicroSD card slot, but that means
using an SD to MicroSD adapter in the camera, and using more expensive
(per GB) MicroSD cards.
4. The upcoming Toshiba ANT has, on the tablet, MicroUSB, USB, and a
full size SD card slot. This would seem to be ideal for photographers,
especially if it can use an external, USB powered, hard drive, or
external, USB powered, DVD writer. Of course my D-SLR uses Compact Flash
cards, but there are CF Type II to SDHC (up to 32GB) adapters that can
be used in cameras that take Type II CF cards, as well as USB CF readers.
It's understandable why tablet makers are so reluctant to include
standard PC connectivity options. I wonder how it'll work out for Toshiba.
SMS
> You would merely use the iPad as an intermediary between the camera and the
> disk drive? Sounds more like the iPad would be an accessory for the drive.
>
> A friend of mine uses her MacBook Pro to edit and process photos; she
> doesn't want an iPad because it's not capable of all the photo processing
> she does.
There's also products like this one:
<http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/681428-REG/Digital_Foci_P19_500_PST_251_Photo_Safe_II.html>
to move images from a memory card directly onto a hard drive. The iPad
connectivity kit could be used to view photos by copying images onto
another SD card, and for tablets with a USB port you could also connect
it directly to the tablet. Still another charger to carry though.
Or a 2.5" 1TB USB powered drive is available from Oyen
<http://oyendigital.com/hard-drives/store/UN2-54-1000-S.html> for
tablets with host USB ports.
The Seagate device is cute, but one huge limitation is that you can't be
online on Wi-Fi when connected to the drive via Wi-Fi.
JEDIDIAH
> On Wed, 18 May 2011 18:44:43 +1200, your...@isp.com (Your Name)
> wrote:
>
>>Of course, it depends on the size of your "library of video, music,
>>pictures and documents", but realistically very few people actually NEED
>>to carry around everything all the time.
>
> We don't NEED video, music, picture, nor documents. We can't eat
> them.
>
> If I feel like reading a book or listen to a song, it is handy to have
> that book or song available to me, wherever I may be.
>
...it's a media consumption device. The point is to have media on it,
preferably something that you will want to consume at the time that
you choose to turn your device on. A good network or lots of storage
can help make it more likely you find your device useful. Lots of storage
is useful when you are unable to connect to the network.
The more I can cram on it, the more likely it will have something I
want on it when I want to use it rather than merely settling for what
the device can hold and hoping for the best.
--
"Microsoft looks at new ideas, they don't evaluate whether
the idea will move the industry forward, they ask, |||
'how will it help us sell more copies of Windows?'" / | \
-- Bill Gates
JEDIDIAH
Actually, the "smart playlist" concept is very handy in this regard. I
can query my media server and get a list of the things I've played lately
or random selections or what's new in the library and unwatched.
Something like that for video is going to be in the 400G range or more.
My own video "smart playlists" sum up to 360G.
JEDIDIAH
> On 05-18-2011 05:59, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2011-05-18, Your Name<your...@isp.com> wrote:
>>> In article<iqutut$h4b$1...@dont-email.me>, Grolea...@FreeShell.org wrote:
>>>> On 05-16-2011 11:05, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>>>> GoFlex® family provides the ability to carry an entire library of video,
>>>>> music, pictures and documents with you. Devices are wirelessly connected
>>>>
>>>> I already have that ability. It's called "iPhone"
>>>> So I don't need an extra device that can't fit in a pocket.
>>>> (Although I have one, called "iPad")
>>>
>>> Of course, it depends on the size of your "library of video, music,
>>> pictures and documents", but realistically very few people actually NEED
>>> to carry around everything all the time.
>>
>> It's a media player. Having your entire music collection is a pretty
>> obvious sort of thing.
>
> My entire collection already is on my iPhone. I can listen 24 hours for
...must be small then.
Mine does not.
A 500G Archos is very handy in this respect. No compromises required.
> weeks without repetition. Also lots of photos, emails, apps,
> and more books than I can remember. And there's still plenty of
> empty space.
>
> I can't imagine carting around an extra
> hunk of metal and silicon just for media.
Yeah. Who needs things like an Apple iPod anyways...
The groupthink is just astounding sometimes.
Alan Browne
We'll see. I'd love it to be an iPad - but it's limitations (adaptors,
total flash memory) make me balk. The MacBook Air is more than
acceptable at 256 GB. Lack of firewire is a bit offputting - not too
bad though.
Alan Browne
> In article<d8GdnUVQSstea07Q...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>>>>> I could see that as a great accessory to the iPad if it would allow
>>>>>> me to store photography while on the road.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I understand the article, that's one of the reasons for the
>>>>> drive. However, the camera in the iPad is much inferior to the one
>>>>> in the iPHone.
>>>>
>>>> I don't use the cameras in the iPad or iPhone for photography (other
>>>> than snapshots).
>>>
>>> Then how would you be using the iPad for photography?
>>
>> Copy files from the camera to the iPad; iPad to the disk.
>>
>> Minor "road edits" on the iPad to e-mail.
>>
>> My main objective is to reduce gear when traveling. If I could use an
>> iPad in lieu of a laptop for travel, I'd be quite set.
>>
>> Still vacillating 'tween laptop or iPad.
>
> disk drive? Sounds more like the iPad would be an accessory for the drive.
An iPad can do almost all things I need a laptop to do when traveling -
except sufficient storage. With this device I'd be there.
> A friend of mine uses her MacBook Pro to edit and process photos; she
> doesn't want an iPad because it's not capable of all the photo processing
> she does.
On the road I do a strict minimum of processing - usually none other
than sending home a few select photos of where I am. If I had to
deliver properly edited content from the road then an iPad would be
insufficient. The MacBook pro looks like a much better choice - other
than the $$$ thing.
Alan Browne
> On 5/18/2011 10:27 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> You would merely use the iPad as an intermediary between the camera
>> and the
>> disk drive? Sounds more like the iPad would be an accessory for the
>> drive.
>>
>> A friend of mine uses her MacBook Pro to edit and process photos; she
>> doesn't want an iPad because it's not capable of all the photo processing
>> she does.
>
> There's also products like this one:
> <http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/681428-REG/Digital_Foci_P19_500_PST_251_Photo_Safe_II.html>
I've looked at them - a bit bulky and of course the charger thing as you
mentioned.
Your Name
<Ne...@Group.Post> wrote:
Opps! Nope, we're both wrong ... I meant punch card reader. ;-)
Your Name
<je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
Nope, it's a PORTABLE Media PLayer ... there's absolutely no sensible
reason why most people NEED to carry around their entire collection. In
fact, carrying around your entire collection (if that's the only place
it's stored) is sheer idiocy since it's very easy to loose or damage a
portable device.
Your Name
<how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2011 18:44:43 +1200, your...@isp.com (Your Name)
> wrote:
>
> >Of course, it depends on the size of your "library of video, music,
> >pictures and documents", but realistically very few people actually NEED
> >to carry around everything all the time.
>
> We don't NEED video, music, picture, nor documents. We can't eat
> them.
>
> If I feel like reading a book or listen to a song, it is handy to have
> that book or song available to me, wherever I may be.
Although they may well have thousands of books / movies / music / etc. in
their collection, there's a limit to how much you can use at any one time
... and that's ignoring the fact that most people go through fads / phases
and only actually listen to a couple of dozen songs until they get bored
and swap some out for new ones.
But of course, if you really WANT to do that (and nobody is saying you
can't), with many brainless fools in fantasy-management-land believing
everybody will be using "cloud" computing, you won't have any need to
carry around your entire collection since you'll simply download it from
your web-based storage.
SMS
<snip>
> We'll see. I'd love it to be an iPad - but it's limitations (adaptors,
> total flash memory) make me balk. The MacBook Air is more than
> acceptable at 256 GB. Lack of firewire is a bit offputting - not too bad
> though.
I love the iPad's breadth of applications and after-market accessories,
as well as the support you get from Apple (besides preferring to buy
from not only a U.S. company but one in my own city!). But I hate having
to deal with so many workarounds to make a product do what I would like
it to do. That's no hit on Apple, they built a product with the features
that they believed were necessary for the vast majority of users, and
didn't put in features that were for niche uses or that they thought
would be too hard to support. Their sales and their profit show that
they made good decisions in that regard.
A photographer needs an easy way to get photos into the iPad, and an
easy way to off-load photos onto a mass-storage device, with a minimum
of extra pieces (ideally just the mass storage device!).
What might be nice is an "iPad Professional" with features similar to
what Toshiba is offering on the ANT, i.e. better cameras, host USB
port(s), SD card slot, and a replaceable battery. This would open up the
iPad to a lot of vertical applications, and it could be sold at a
premium price. Of course this would assume that Apple actually wants to
move up-market from consumer products to more business, commercial, and
industrial products--maybe the volumes just aren't there to justify it,
and it's a market that Apple will happily cede to Android tablet makers
to battle over.
SMS
> I've looked at them - a bit bulky and of course the charger thing as you
> mentioned.
When I travel the bag with the chargers is a big part of my luggage!
Cell phone, camera, GPS, computer, razor, AA charger, etc. Too many
devices need more current or voltage than can be supplied by a standard
USB port.
Your Name
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <yNWdnV-NxciZSk7Q...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> > >> I could see that as a great accessory to the iPad if it would allow
> > >> me to store photography while on the road.
> > >
> > > As I understand the article, that's one of the reasons for the drive.
> > > However, the camera in the iPad is much inferior to the one in the
> > > iPHone.
> >
> > I don't use the cameras in the iPad or iPhone for photography (other
> > than snapshots).
>
> Then how would you be using the iPad for photography?
Reviewing images, especially with a client, would be easier on the iPad's
bigger screen than on the little ones built into cameras. You could of
course just use a laptop computer instead, but the iPad is cheaper for use
"on location" when you've already got a powerful computer back at the
studio to do any editing / touch-up work.
Your Name
<siegman-230AB6...@bmedcfsc-srv02.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>, AES
<sie...@stanford.edu> wrote:
Yes, but there's also the flip-side of that. Most people run out of space
on their computer, despite hard drives getting bigger and bigger ... one
reason is of course the growing size of the files (especially movies)
people store, but there's also the fact that most people keep a massive
amount of "junk" that they will never ever look at again.
Tom Stiller
JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
See"Sharing Information Corrupts Wisdom of Crowds"
<http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/05/wisdom-of-crowds-decline/?utm_
source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28W
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of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>Although they may well have thousands of books / movies / music / etc. in
>their collection, there's a limit to how much you can use at any one time
>... and that's ignoring the fact that most people go through fads / phases
>and only actually listen to a couple of dozen songs until they get bored
>and swap some out for new ones.
That limit is pretty high. I have books & music & movies & games
that my grandchildren use. The cost of carrying them is minimal.
>But of course, if you really WANT to do that (and nobody is saying you
>can't), with many brainless fools in fantasy-management-land believing
>everybody will be using "cloud" computing, you won't have any need to
>carry around your entire collection since you'll simply download it from
>your web-based storage.
Sure, eventually the cost advantage of carrying all of my stuff is for
today, and things will change. Right now the 3G costs more than I
want to pay on my iPad, and the cloud isn't as convenient for my uses.
I was reading a book on my Borders app at a place without Wi-Fi, and
discovered that Borders doesn't load the whole book at once, so I got
stuck. (I later broke the copy protection, converted it to E-books
and loaded it on Stanza so the book I paid for is available for me to
read).
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>Yes, but there's also the flip-side of that. Most people run out of space
>on their computer, despite hard drives getting bigger and bigger ... one
>reason is of course the growing size of the files (especially movies)
>people store, but there's also the fact that most people keep a massive
>amount of "junk" that they will never ever look at again.
That used to happen quite a bit. But my computer is only 3 years
old, purchased when disk space was cheap. Even with my music library
uncompressed and a bunch of movies on it, I've got plenty of space.
I guess a TIVO user would have a much better idea on how much space is
"plenty", but with 4G drives for reasonable costs, there is a lot of
space these days.
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>A photographer needs an easy way to get photos into the iPad, and an
>easy way to off-load photos onto a mass-storage device, with a minimum
>of extra pieces (ideally just the mass storage device!).
>
>What might be nice is an "iPad Professional" with features similar to
>what Toshiba is offering on the ANT, i.e. better cameras, host USB
>port(s), SD card slot, and a replaceable battery. This would open up the
>iPad to a lot of vertical applications, and it could be sold at a
>premium price. Of course this would assume that Apple actually wants to
>move up-market from consumer products to more business, commercial, and
>industrial products--maybe the volumes just aren't there to justify it,
>and it's a market that Apple will happily cede to Android tablet makers
>to battle over.
The iPad is still a product a bit over a year old. I don't see
photographers though being big on using the iPad as a camera. It
doesn't get nearly the use that the iPhone's camera has. I can see
it for virtual conferences, but as far as "the best camera is the one
with you - phones beat pads".
As for being a photo-editing and distribution machine. That
specialized use could take some business away from laptops. But not
a lot. I expect something like that will come, someday.
A different specialized use that might be easier is a music writing
and displaying tool - then use the iPad as a sheet music reader that
maybe is self paging.
Alan Browne
> On 5/18/2011 1:13 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> We'll see. I'd love it to be an iPad - but it's limitations (adaptors,
>> total flash memory) make me balk. The MacBook Air is more than
>> acceptable at 256 GB. Lack of firewire is a bit offputting - not too bad
>> though.
>
> I love the iPad's breadth of applications and after-market accessories,
> as well as the support you get from Apple (besides preferring to buy
> from not only a U.S. company but one in my own city!).
Dude - it ain't made in America.
> But I hate having
> to deal with so many workarounds to make a product do what I would like
> it to do. That's no hit on Apple, they built a product with the features
> that they believed were necessary for the vast majority of users, and
> didn't put in features that were for niche uses or that they thought
> would be too hard to support. Their sales and their profit show that
> they made good decisions in that regard.
True - and that argument gets a lot of traction. However there's no
defending it for not allowing it to do all it can do. Would not affect
the basic unit, nor it sales.
>
> A photographer needs an easy way to get photos into the iPad, and an
> easy way to off-load photos onto a mass-storage device, with a minimum
> of extra pieces (ideally just the mass storage device!).
That's all I've been looking for.
>
> What might be nice is an "iPad Professional" with features similar to
> what Toshiba is offering on the ANT, i.e. better cameras, host USB
> port(s), SD card slot, and a replaceable battery. This would open up the
> iPad to a lot of vertical applications, and it could be sold at a
> premium price. Of course this would assume that Apple actually wants to
> move up-market from consumer products to more business, commercial, and
> industrial products--maybe the volumes just aren't there to justify it,
> and it's a market that Apple will happily cede to Android tablet makers
> to battle over.
Or to RIM. Whatever. Apple do what they do quite well and make oodles
of cash at it. Doesn't mean they are perfect.
Alan Browne
> On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:09:07 -0700, SMS<scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> A photographer needs an easy way to get photos into the iPad, and an
>> easy way to off-load photos onto a mass-storage device, with a minimum
>> of extra pieces (ideally just the mass storage device!).
>>
>> What might be nice is an "iPad Professional" with features similar to
>> what Toshiba is offering on the ANT, i.e. better cameras, host USB
>> port(s), SD card slot, and a replaceable battery. This would open up the
>> iPad to a lot of vertical applications, and it could be sold at a
>> premium price. Of course this would assume that Apple actually wants to
>> move up-market from consumer products to more business, commercial, and
>> industrial products--maybe the volumes just aren't there to justify it,
>> and it's a market that Apple will happily cede to Android tablet makers
>> to battle over.
>
> The iPad is still a product a bit over a year old. I don't see
> photographers though being big on using the iPad as a camera. It
> doesn't get nearly the use that the iPhone's camera has. I can see
> it for virtual conferences, but as far as "the best camera is the one
> with you - phones beat pads".
Photographers would not use the iPad (or iPhone) for its camera, but for
storage, light edits and communication. The cameras in these things are
jokes photography wise (They're actually surprisingly good, but can't
come close to a consumer grade DSLR, never mind a full frame DSLR with
high end lenses. )
Wes Groleau
> The groupthink is just astounding sometimes.
Try to sell me a peripheral I don't need and
accuse me of groupthink when I decline. Amusing.
--
Wes Groleau
“To know what you prefer, instead of humbly saying
Amen to what the world tells you you should prefer,
is to have kept your soul alive.”
— Robert Louis Stevenson
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<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> Photographers would not use the iPad (or iPhone) for its camera, but for
> storage, light edits and communication. The cameras in these things are
> jokes photography wise (They're actually surprisingly good, but can't
> come close to a consumer grade DSLR, never mind a full frame DSLR with
> high end lenses. )
the camera in the ipad and ipod touch are surprisingly bad, with less
than 1 megapixel. the camera in the iphone 4 is the one that's
surprisingly good.
Your Name
<how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2011 09:19:39 +1200, your...@isp.com (Your Name)
> wrote:
>
> >Yes, but there's also the flip-side of that. Most people run out of space
> >on their computer, despite hard drives getting bigger and bigger ... one
> >reason is of course the growing size of the files (especially movies)
> >people store, but there's also the fact that most people keep a massive
> >amount of "junk" that they will never ever look at again.
>
> That used to happen quite a bit. But my computer is only 3 years
> old, purchased when disk space was cheap. Even with my music library
> uncompressed and a bunch of movies on it, I've got plenty of space.
>
> I guess a TIVO user would have a much better idea on how much space is
> "plenty", but with 4G drives for reasonable costs, there is a lot of
> space these days.
4GB hard drives?!? I think you're still stuck in last century. ;-)
You'll find it difficult to buy a new 4GB hard drive these days. The
minimum size is around 250GB.
4GB Flash / keyring / thumb / pen / USB drives are quite cheap, although
8GB ones are quickly getting cheaper as the 4GB ones fade away from sale.
SMS
> On 2011-05-18 17:09 , SMS wrote:
>> On 5/18/2011 1:13 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> We'll see. I'd love it to be an iPad - but it's limitations (adaptors,
>>> total flash memory) make me balk. The MacBook Air is more than
>>> acceptable at 256 GB. Lack of firewire is a bit offputting - not too bad
>>> though.
>>
>> I love the iPad's breadth of applications and after-market accessories,
>> as well as the support you get from Apple (besides preferring to buy
>> from not only a U.S. company but one in my own city!).
>
> Dude - it ain't made in America.
That's true, but unlike many computers from other "American" companies,
at least the entire design of the product was not contracted out to the
manufacturer.
> True - and that argument gets a lot of traction. However there's no
> defending it for not allowing it to do all it can do. Would not affect
> the basic unit, nor it sales.
The defense is that "allowing it to do all it can do" could end up being
a support nightmare. Put on a USB port and suddenly there's an
expectation by consumers that every USB device should work (it is, after
all, "Universal). On a professional product the user is presumably more
knowledgeable and understands that just because a device plugs in does
not mean it will work.
Alan Browne
USB has classes of use (eg: cameras, storage, printers, ...
appliances). In the former cases the interface is well documented. In
the most extreme later cases (classes 0xFE and 0xFF), the appliance
provider needs to provide supporting s/w.
Alan Browne
The iPhone 4 camera is the one I have experience with. For such a tiny
lens/sensor the images are pretty good. (1/3.2" 5 Mpix - density of
over 300Kpix/mm^2 (!)).
Compared to a 24x36mm 24.6 Mpix sensor (28 kpix/mm^2) behind a 135 f/1.8
Carl Zeiss (Sony) it ... well, just doesn't compare. (The iPhone sensor
is almost 12 times as dense in pixels/area).
One nice feature of the iPhone photo sensor is that it is back
illuminated which increases the signal / noise somewhat over
conventional sensors.
Wes Groleau
> You'll find it difficult to buy a new 4GB hard drive these days. The
> minimum size is around 250GB.
80GB — 200GB are still easy to find.
--
Wes Groleau
There are two types of people in the world …
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett?itemid=1157
Todd Allcock
> > True - and that argument gets a lot of traction. However there's no
> > defending it for not allowing it to do all it can do. Would not affect
> > the basic unit, nor it sales.
>
> The defense is that "allowing it to do all it can do" could end up
> being a support nightmare. Put on a USB port and suddenly there's an
> expectation by consumers that every USB device should work (it is,
> after all, "Universal). On a professional product the user is
> presumably more knowledgeable and understands that just because a
> device plugs in does not mean it will work.
While true, I'd bet you'd see USB peripheral manufacturers falling all
over themselves writing iOS drivers to be able to put "works with iPad!"
starbursts on their product boxes.
JEDIDIAH
> On 05-18-2011 15:50, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> The groupthink is just astounding sometimes.
>
> Try to sell me a peripheral I don't need and
> accuse me of groupthink when I decline. Amusing.
>
"why would anyone ever want to have their whole music collection"
With an attitude like that, you might as well just use a vintage Walkman.
--
Metallica is not worth the ruination of someone |||
who has pirated their music / | \
JEDIDIAH
> On Thu, 19 May 2011 09:19:39 +1200, your...@isp.com (Your Name)
> wrote:
>
>>Yes, but there's also the flip-side of that. Most people run out of space
>>on their computer, despite hard drives getting bigger and bigger ... one
>>reason is of course the growing size of the files (especially movies)
>>people store, but there's also the fact that most people keep a massive
>>amount of "junk" that they will never ever look at again.
>
> That used to happen quite a bit. But my computer is only 3 years
> old, purchased when disk space was cheap. Even with my music library
> uncompressed and a bunch of movies on it, I've got plenty of space.
>
> I guess a TIVO user would have a much better idea on how much space is
> "plenty", but with 4G drives for reasonable costs, there is a lot of
> space these days.
>
2TB drives are cheap and plentiful. 3TB drives are a little less so.
Don't think anyone has even announced 4TB ones yet.
Although there are 1TB 2.5 inch bus powered USB drives now.
Video can be quite big but everything else is relatively small and
can fit in the slack space that tends to be on modern PCs. You can turn
every machine you own into a sort of poor man's TimeCapsule.
All of my cheap ION HTPC machines have backup copies of all of my
small media because of this. My HTPC software is pretty small and even
the smallest PC hard drive is pretty huge in comparison.
What constitutes "plenty" is of course very subjective.
Although even my first Series1 Tivo was hacked to have more space. A
PVR with a really fat hard drive is very much like video on demand.
JEDIDIAH
You might as well whine that a USB support is unsuitable for a Mac
because it would end up being some sort of support nightmare that Apple
would then be responsible.
>
> USB has classes of use (eg: cameras, storage, printers, ...
> appliances). In the former cases the interface is well documented. In
> the most extreme later cases (classes 0xFE and 0xFF), the appliance
> provider needs to provide supporting s/w.
>
Exactly. Most of the most commonly used hardware already falls into
into a class of device that can use a standard drive. This is one of the
handiest parts of USB.
Also, since the iDevices use the same kernel as MacOS there is really
no good reason that a lot of the current MacOS device drivers can't be
simply recompiled for the iPod variants.
I think my the first PC that I used USB with had a slower CPU than
what's in my phone and less memory too. Probably had a smaller HD too.
JEDIDIAH
>> You'll find it difficult to buy a new 4GB hard drive these days. The
>> minimum size is around 250GB.
>
> 80GB — 200GB are still easy to find.
You can find SSD drives smaller than that.
JEDIDIAH
What utter mindless fanboy nonsense. Making lame excuses for the
limations of Apple products that don't necessarily need to be.
So what if you lose your device with your entire collection?
It's not your only copy. The argument for preventing photos of your
wife or mother "getting into the wrong hands" is a little bit more
compelling but not much.
On the other hand, something could happen to your originals. Anything
that's on another device somewhere will be preserved by the virtue of their
being another copy.
Seriously though, I just like being able to play anything I own any time
the mood strikes me. For me, that's the ENTIRE POINT of owning an MP3 player.
Your Name
<je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
Oh dear, here we go again with the anti-Apple nutters. :-(
The iPhone / iPod Touch / iPad is a Portable Media Player ... and just
like EVERY other portable media player (not to mention computer, etc.) on
the market it has to have limited in-built storage capacity. :-\
> So what if you lose your device with your entire collection?
>
> It's not your only copy. The argument for preventing photos of your
> wife or mother "getting into the wrong hands" is a little bit more
> compelling but not much.
As I said, *IF* that's the only place it's stored ... the fact is that
unless your computer dies at the same time, you should have a copy on
whichever computer you sync the devices to.
> On the other hand, something could happen to your originals. Anything
> that's on another device somewhere will be preserved by the virtue of their
> being another copy.
>
> Seriously though, I just like being able to play anything I own any time
> the mood strikes me. For me, that's the ENTIRE POINT of owning an MP3 player.
Then until Flash memory capacity increases and the price drops, you'll
have to have an external extra storage device if you want bazillions of
songs / movies / etc., but as I said somewhere else, it doesn't matter how
big the storage is, many people will ALWAYS fill it, mostly with junk they
never use again.
Your Name
<je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> On 2011-05-19, Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> > On 05-19-2011 03:24, Your Name wrote:
> >> You'll find it difficult to buy a new 4GB hard drive these days. The
> >> minimum size is around 250GB.
> >
> > 80GB — 200GB are still easy to find.
>
> You can find SSD drives smaller than that.
Yes, but despite being in the same form factor so that it fits existing
cases, an SSD drive is not a "hard drive". An SSD drive is basically the
same as a Flash / keyring / thunmb / USB / pen drive.
Of course, hard drive makers are now blurring the lines a little by making
hard drives that have in-built "SSD" memory to increase access speed to
regualrly used data.
Alan Browne
Indeed.
Wes Groleau
> On 2011-05-19, Wes Groleau<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>> On 05-18-2011 15:50, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> The groupthink is just astounding sometimes.
>>
>> Try to sell me a peripheral I don't need and
>> accuse me of groupthink when I decline. Amusing.
>
> "why would anyone ever want to have their whole music collection"
>
> With an attitude like that, you might as well just use a vintage Walkman.
Misquote. "My entire collection already is on my iPhone"
is what I said.
I use what I feel like using. "Groupthink" is probably not
the best term for describing someone who happens to not
think like you.
Larry Mobile
497B56.080...@news.eternal-september.org:
> 500 GB external storage for an iOS or Android device, or any computer.
>
Hmm....My Acer Iconia Tab powers my USB mobile hard drives. Even the 1TB
drive full of media runs great.....er, ah....after Android catalogues
4000 DivX/Xvid Movies and a few hundred thousand MP3 files into their
respective album covers, etc....(c;]
Luckily, it catalogues while playing the movie so I don't have to
wait....
Wonder how that big wifi transmitter running next to and talking to/from
the iPad is gonna screw up its range to the not-so-strong-or-great wifi
hotspot you're using to connect to the internet?? There's bound to be
lots of interference, even if you use a channel as far away as possible.
Another gadget battery to croak and recharge all the time. Good luck....
Larry Mobile
news:4dd2b990$0$67553$742e...@news.sonic.net:
> Of course if the mobile device has a host USB port capable of 500mA of
> current then any external notebook hard drive could be plugged in
> without the need for yet another battery and charger, and without the
> need to for battery sucking Wi-Fi. Or a USB stick or SD card could be
> used.
>
>
Acer Iconia Tablet A500's USB A port powers any of my 6 mobile USB drives
just fine. Doesn't seem to make much difference to the battery runtime
as the big 10" display light uses 75% of the power, Android reports. The
dual core Nvidia only uses 7%, even with the video chip aboard.
Android goes crazy trying to catalogue the thousands of movies and
100,000 MP3 files into its various players on the 1TB USB drive. The
drive light flashes hard for a long time the first time you plug it in,
even just sitting there. It doesn't interrupt the movie playing, so I
don't care. An old XP user, I'd rather it just gave me simple
filename.ext on a file manager but Android is intent on those girly
presentations. I use Bluetooth File Transfer as my file manager to start
the movie playing the old fashioned way. Maybe I shouldn't carry around
so much of the collection....hee hee.....NOT>
Larry Mobile
>> Or a USB stick or SD card could be used.
>
> A software upgrade can handle that with the camera connection kit.
> And that could also handle the battery-sucking hard drive; heck, with
> the software upgrade, the drive maker could include a dock-connector
> with the drive, so you wouldn't even need the camera connection kit.
>
>
Michelle, will the software upgrade allow you to copy files on and off
the iPad/iPhone to the USB drives like a real computer, or just to play
what's on there it likes? It's much more battery friendly to copy a
couple of movies to the internal memory and play them from there, so you
don't have to carry the USB drive around all day until you've seen what's
inside then overwrite those with more off the drive, instead of leaving
the drive running for a 2 hour movie hanging off it.
Larry Mobile
118-184-97.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz:
> USB ports?!? How quaintly old fashioned. Apple is changing over to
> Thunderbolt ports now. ;-)
>
Keeps you from buying cheap $99 1TB mobile drives so they can sell you 20%
the storage for $499? Smart....real smart.
Larry Mobile
> In article <Xns9EECE8B9792...@74.209.131.13>,
> Larry Mobile <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Or a USB stick or SD card could be used.
>> >
>> > A software upgrade can handle that with the camera connection kit.
>> > And that could also handle the battery-sucking hard drive; heck,
>> > with the software upgrade, the drive maker could include a
>> > dock-connector with the drive, so you wouldn't even need the camera
>> > connection kit.
>>
>> Michelle, will the software upgrade allow you to copy files on and
>> off the iPad/iPhone to the USB drives like a real computer, or just
>> to play what's on there it likes?
>
> It all depends on how Apple programs it.
>
>> It's much more battery friendly to copy a couple of movies to the
>> internal memory and play them from there, so you don't have to carry
>> the USB drive around all day until you've seen what's inside then
>> overwrite those with more off the drive, instead of leaving the drive
>> running for a 2 hour movie hanging off it.
>
> That's what iTunes already does, so you really don't need the drive
> after all.
>
You have the mobile USB drive and the iPad in your briefcase 1000 miles
from home. Do you HAVE to carry your Macbook to use itunes, too? That's
awful stupid when the USB drive plugs right into the iPad with the movie
you want already on it, isn't it?
Can you play it without iTunes straight off the USB drive?
Can you play the media straight off the GoFlex without iTunes'
permission??
Larry Mobile
$742e...@news.sonic.net:
> 1. The Asus Transformer looks good but you only get the USB Host port
> and full size SD card slot when you add the optional keyboard/dock.
>
>
My new Acer Iconia Tablet A500 Android 3 Honeycomb has a full A size USB
host port that supports external USB drives, keyboards, etc. Take a look
at it over the Asus. The port is in the side of the tablet, not the dock
the old fashioned way. The other mini USB port is to connect the tablet
to the computer, where it acts like a common external USB drive, itself.
You can install an extra 32GB microUSB card into the top of the tablet's
16GB internal (about 12GB free loaded with stuff in mine.) If the camera
has an SD card, simply plug it into a USB adapter and the adapter into
the tablet's USB port. If you want to copy from the camera card on a USB
adapter directly to the hard drive, you'll need a tiny USB hub so you can
have more USB ports. I'm using a 4-port USB hub on my A500 the A500
powers just fine.
http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=367680
This one sells on the net for $6. It was 99c in a thrift shop here when
I got mine. It's self-powered off the tablet's USB port, but if you're
going to use it to power several devices and charge them, you might want
to consider an AC powered USB hub for use back in your hotel room all
night. Mine will power a USB drive and a USB Flashdrive simultaneously
like for copying files between the two. Runs 480MB/sec in USB 2.0 mode.
Works great and is very tiny.
Acer Iconia Tab A500 is $449 in any Best Buy.....
beautiful tablet. Very well done. Android 4 Ice Cream Sandwich will be
an automatic, over-the-air upgrade from Acer asap.
3.1 Honeycomb is testing and debugging at Acer, due to push to the tab in
June.
.....now if webpages would only notice it's HONEYCOMB, not a tiny phone,
and send it full webpages without a fight.
Larry Mobile
$742e...@news.sonic.net:
> Too many
> devices need more current or voltage than can be supplied by a standard
> USB port.
>
http://www.maldita.us/usb-dildo-with-bluetooth
You're gonna need an AC-powered USB hub.....(c;]
James Sidbury
Larry Mobile <no...@home.com> wrote:
You have your percentages wrong. It should be 500gb for 200 dollars not
200 gb for 500 dollars.
HTH
Wes Groleau
> You have your percentages wrong. It should be 500gb for 200 dollars not
> 200 gb for 500 dollars.
It's a troll. More wrong than just percentages.
JEDIDIAH
> On 05-19-2011 23:38, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2011-05-19, Wes Groleau<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>>> On 05-18-2011 15:50, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>> The groupthink is just astounding sometimes.
>>>
>>> Try to sell me a peripheral I don't need and
>>> accuse me of groupthink when I decline. Amusing.
>>
>> "why would anyone ever want to have their whole music collection"
>>
>> With an attitude like that, you might as well just use a vintage Walkman.
>
> Misquote. "My entire collection already is on my iPhone"
> is what I said.
>
> I use what I feel like using. "Groupthink" is probably not
> the best term for describing someone who happens to not
> think like you.
Nope.
It just indicates that I am not part of the herd.
Just basic set logic... No surpise that a fanboy doesn't get it.
--
Apple: Being able to install Firefox or VLC makes you a power user. |||
/ | \
JEDIDIAH
> In article <slrnitbnn...@nomad.mishnet>,
> JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>
>> > reason why most people NEED to carry around their entire collection.
>> > In fact, carrying around your entire collection (if that's the only
>> > place it's stored) is sheer idiocy since it's very easy to loose or
>> > damage a portable device.
>>
>> What utter mindless fanboy nonsense. Making lame excuses for the
>> limations of Apple products that don't necessarily need to be.
>
> digital music library on my iMac, iPhone, and iPad.
>
> But of course, a fanatical Apple hater would call anyone who disagrees with
> him an Apple fanboy.
...yeah. The "you're just a hater" fanboy response #12647.
JEDIDIAH
Not quite.
It's MORE limited.
[deletia]
However, the fanboy cabal here will just make up excuses for that and
ensure that Apple never has to improve itself relative to other competitors.
Feel free to kid yourselves all you want. It's less convincing to the rest
of us though.
Alan Browne
> In article<slrnitngp...@nomad.mishnet>,
> JEDIDIAH<je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>
>>> Misquote. "My entire collection already is on my iPhone"
>>> is what I said.
>>>
>>> I use what I feel like using. "Groupthink" is probably not
>>> the best term for describing someone who happens to not
>>> think like you.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> It just indicates that I am not part of the herd.
>
>
>> Just basic set logic... No surpise that a fanboy doesn't get it.
>
Why reply to it?
Your Name
<je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
Yet another know-nothing anti-Apple nutter to avoid. :-\