Where does QuickVoice Recorder free store its audio files?

[Liam O'Connor]

Where does QuickVoice Recorder free, by nFinity Inc, store its audio files?

I use QuickVoice Recorder free to record ambient sounds, it's a pain to
to email each recording just to bring it to my PC (a mostly-Linux laptop).

When I connect the iPad to Linux via USB, I can see the Documents directory
of a score of programs, but, not QuickVoice Recorder:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7376/13951855477_0999c88d84_b.jpg

Am I to presume that QuickVoice Recorder stores its files in the dreaded
(inaccessible to Linux) iPad media location?

How can I tell for sure?

[nospam]

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<d8adc$538b163f$43da7656$12...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> Where does QuickVoice Recorder free, by nFinity Inc, store its audio files?

almost certainly in its document folder within its sandbox.

> I use QuickVoice Recorder free to record ambient sounds, it's a pain to
> to email each recording just to bring it to my PC (a mostly-Linux laptop).

then look for another app that makes it easier.

why keep things difficult?

> When I connect the iPad to Linux via USB, I can see the Documents directory
> of a score of programs, but, not QuickVoice Recorder:
> https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7376/13951855477_0999c88d84_b.jpg
>
> Am I to presume that QuickVoice Recorder stores its files in the dreaded
> (inaccessible to Linux) iPad media location?

you should figure out why it's not showing up.

based on the app description,
* To obtain the free sync utility that copies recordings to your
computer and-or iTunes library simply send an email to
sendm...@nfinityinc.com. Immediately thereafter you will receive an
email with utility download links and syncing instructions.

which means it's separate.

i doubt they have a linux version, but maybe they have some suggestions.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 09:33:09 -0400, nospam wrote:

Q: Where does QuickVoice Recorder free, by nFinity Inc, store its audio files?
A: Almost certainly in its document folder within its sandbox.
With what you've taught me so far, this is most likely the case.

> then look for another app that makes it easier.
> why keep things difficult?

I guess what I want is an app that makes the transfer to Linux
easier. What that transfer method is, I don't know, but I suspect
it will either be WiFi (yuck) or direct USB transfer (yea!).

So, I'll look at other voice recorder apps for the iPad.
Maybe one of them has solved the usability hurdle.

> you should figure out why it's not showing up.

Q: Why doesn't the QuickVoice Documents dir show up on Linux?
A: Probably QuickVoice is using the iPad standard directory
(which we already know to be inaccessible to Linux)

> * To obtain the free sync utility that copies recordings to your
> computer and-or iTunes library simply send an email to
> sendm...@nfinityinc.com.

That's interesting. I hadn't known it existed.
I will send the message to see what happens for Linux.

thanks!

[Jolly Roger]

Linux is not a supported operating system for iOS. You're on your own.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Liam O'Connor]

On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 18:49:55 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Linux is not a supported operating system for iOS. You're on your own.

That may be true, but it doesn't change the question of
how we can figure out *where* an iPad app, such as the
Quick Voice Recorder, stores its files.

I would think iPad users would know where their apps store
their files, which is why I had asked here.

It's not really a Linux question; it's really an iPad question.

[Michelle Steiner]

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<71244$538bf0d6$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > Linux is not a supported operating system for iOS. You're on your own.
>
> That may be true, but it doesn't change the question of
> how we can figure out *where* an iPad app, such as the
> Quick Voice Recorder, stores its files.
>
> I would think iPad users would know where their apps store
> their files, which is why I had asked here.

We don't care where the apps store their files; we let the OS take care
of it.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 09:33:09 -0400, nospam wrote:

> almost certainly in its document folder within its sandbox.

I tried to find the Quick Voice files using the iPad app
"FileBrowserLite", but that app's GUI is so obnoxious that
I will very soon delete it, in favor of another.

However, despite the horrid user interface, the FileBrowser
Lite app did give me ideas.

Since FileBrowser Lite could access the "Photo Library", and
something it calls "My Files", what I will look for is a
file browser app on the iPad which can access the Quick
Voice Recorder files.

What we really need, for the iPad, is a file browser that
can access the iPad's own files. That's the key here.

[David Empson]

Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 18:49:55 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
> > Linux is not a supported operating system for iOS. You're on your own.
>
> That may be true, but it doesn't change the question of
> how we can figure out *where* an iPad app, such as the
> Quick Voice Recorder, stores its files.
>
> I would think iPad users would know where their apps store
> their files, which is why I had asked here.

The answer to that is either "I don't need to know" or for those who
care slightly, "inside the app's private file storage area".

For third party apps which store "documents" on the iPad (as opposed to
keeping them in some kind of cloud/online storage), those documents are
saved inside the private area belonging to the app. No other app can
access to them, due to the sandboxing mechanism. The user can't directly
access the files either - they need to go via whatever methods the app
offers for importing and exporting data.

Apple's built-in apps in some cases allow other apps limited access to
the data they manage, e.g. the camera roll and contacts have some degree
of availability to other apps.

If you have a backup of an iPad made with iTunes, and it isn't
encrypted, you can examine the backup with various utilities to see the
internal structure of how apps save their documents, but this is almost
entirely up to the app and the end user doesn't need to know.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Liam O'Connor]

On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 20:40:32 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> We don't care where the apps store their files; we let the OS
> take care of it.

I understand. I think.

But, what if I wanted to play or edit the QuickVoice audio files
on another application?

Staying totally on the iPad, can it be possible that you guys
*never* edit a file in another app than the one app that created
it?

I can't believe that to be the case.
Is it?

Put another way, how does an iPad user, staying wholly on the
iPad, edit a file in another application if the iPad user can't
even find their own files?

[nospam]

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<71244$538bf0d6$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > Linux is not a supported operating system for iOS. You're on your own.
>
> That may be true, but it doesn't change the question of
> how we can figure out *where* an iPad app, such as the
> Quick Voice Recorder, stores its files.

in its documents folder within its sandbox, which is the same for any
third party app.

> I would think iPad users would know where their apps store
> their files, which is why I had asked here.

it doesn't make any difference to the end user since the apps manage
their own documents.

> It's not really a Linux question; it's really an iPad question.

no, it's a linux question, since a mac/windows user will never have
this issue.

[nospam]

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<c721e$538bf239$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

no, what's needed is to use the product as it was designed to be used.

[nospam]

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<65b65$538bf7d2$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > We don't care where the apps store their files; we let the OS
> > take care of it.
>
> I understand. I think.
>
> But, what if I wanted to play or edit the QuickVoice audio files
> on another application?

unless the quickvoice app offers the ability to share them, you don't.

> Staying totally on the iPad, can it be possible that you guys
> *never* edit a file in another app than the one app that created
> it?

the best choice to edit a document is with the app that created it.

> I can't believe that to be the case.
> Is it?

basically.

> Put another way, how does an iPad user, staying wholly on the
> iPad, edit a file in another application if the iPad user can't
> even find their own files?

the apps take care of where the documents are so you don't have to.

whether an app offers the ability to share the documents with other
apps depends on the app and whether it makes sense to share them. if
it's a custom document format, no other app is going to be able to edit
or even read them so there's no point. on the other hand, a pdf email
attachment can be sent to other apps, such as ibooks.

[Michelle Steiner]

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<65b65$538bf7d2$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > We don't care where the apps store their files; we let the OS
> > take care of it.
>
> I understand. I think.
>
> But, what if I wanted to play or edit the QuickVoice audio files
> on another application?
>
> Staying totally on the iPad, can it be possible that you guys
> *never* edit a file in another app than the one app that created
> it?

Some apps let you share their data with certain other apps. Frankly,
I've never had the need to edit data from one app in another app on the
iDevice. I do edit data in Numbers on both the iPad and on my
computer, but that's about it; the data are automatically shared
between the computer, the iPad, the iPhone and the web-based Numbers
app.

> Put another way, how does an iPad user, staying wholly on the
> iPad, edit a file in another application if the iPad user can't
> even find their own files?

As I said, some apps let you share data with other apps.

[Michelle Steiner]

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<c721e$538bf239$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> What we really need, for the iPad, is a file browser that
> can access the iPad's own files. That's the key here.

*You* need; *we* don't.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2014-06-02, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 18:49:55 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Linux is not a supported operating system for iOS. You're on your own.
>
> That may be true, but it doesn't change the question of
> how we can figure out *where* an iPad app, such as the
> Quick Voice Recorder, stores its files.

As you have already been told, each application stores its files in a
location in the iOS file system that that app - and only that app - may
access.

You've also been told you can gain access to the file system of your
iPad with a simple jail break; but for some unknown reason you don't
seem keen to try that. Seems strange for a self-proclaimed Linux user
not to want root access to a device they own, but whatever floats your
boat. Remain ignorant at your own peril.

> I would think iPad users would know where their apps store
> their files, which is why I had asked here.

Well you thought wrong. iPad users use supported operating systems to
interact with their iPads, thay don't care about or even know about
files and directories on the iPad.

iOS & Mac OS *developers*, on the other hand, can tell you some things
about the iOS file system, which is why you're getting such details

here.

> It's not really a Linux question; it's really an iPad question.

No, it's an iOS developer question. Most iPad users won't be able to
help you out.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2014-06-02, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 09:33:09 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> almost certainly in its document folder within its sandbox.
>

> What we really need, for the iPad, is a file browser that
> can access the iPad's own files. That's the key here.

Then jail break the thing and have root access, duh. It's not rocket
science. It's just Unix. You can have it jail broken in 10 minutes, for
crying out loud. Help yourself rather than bothering users who don't
care about files on their iPads.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 15:54:43 +1200, David Empson wrote:

> The answer to that is either "I don't need to know" or for those who
> care slightly, "inside the app's private file storage area".

I understand.

The problem is "accessing" the app's private storage from *another*
app (say, a file editor perhaps).

For example, let's say an iPad user saved a recording in Quick Voice
but if that iPad user then wanted to edit that audio recording in,
say, an MP3 audio editor (which must exist for the iPad, right?), the
serious iPad user would want *access* to that private storage.

> For third party apps which store "documents" on the iPad (as opposed to
> keeping them in some kind of cloud/online storage), those documents are
> saved inside the private area belonging to the app.

I'm learning this about the iPad. Breaking into that private storage
is a beast, even from the iPad to itself!

> No other app can access to them, due to the sandboxing mechanism.

If that statement it true (and I have no reason to doubt your knowledge),
then that bodes badly for iPad users. What that says is that an app
(such as QuickVoice Recorder) can create audio files that *only* that
one app can ever access. If true, that's absolutely crazy.

> The user can't directly access the files either - they need to go
> via whatever methods the app offers for importing and exporting data.

Again, if that's true (and I have no reason to doubt you), then that's
an absolutely crazy use model! In this case, of Quick Voice, you can
forward *some* audio files to your email; but, the recordings have
to be less than 5MB.

So, all your saved recordings are *forever* stuck inside of Quickvoice.
There's no way to get them *out* of QuickVoice!

Obviously, that means that QuickVoice is useless as a voice recorder,
so I will delete it; but now comes the big question for iPad users:
Q: If you delete an app, how do you save your content?

If the answer is "tough luck", I'd have to wonder why iPad users put
up with such crazy use models?

> Apple's built-in apps in some cases allow other apps limited access to
> the data they manage, e.g. the camera roll and contacts have some degree
> of availability to other apps.

I've noticed that the camera roll is stored not in any one app's
private "Documents" folder, but in a DCIM directory at the root level
of my mount point on Linux of the iPad. So, that makes sense that
all apps can access the photos and screenshots.
h

> If you have a backup of an iPad made with iTunes, and it isn't
> encrypted, you can examine the backup with various utilities to see the
> internal structure of how apps save their documents, but this is almost
> entirely up to the app and the end user doesn't need to know.

What strikes me as crazy, is that *anyone* puts up with a use model
that is so extremely restrictive. It's like living under a dictatorship
where, you ask:
Q1: How can I send QuickVoice files to myself? A1: You can't.
Q2: How can I edit QuickVoice files in another app? A2: You can't.
Q3: If I delete QuickVoice, how do I save my files? A3: You can't.

Why/How do iPad users put up with these crazy restrictions?

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:05:08 -0400, nospam wrote:

> no, what's needed is to use the product as it was designed to be used.

Hi Nospam,
I respect your opinions.

I was naive yesterday; today, I am a much wiser iPad user!

You can call me the fool for having ever loaded this product on my
iPad, but, it never occurred to me that the product was so evil.

Now that I've learned what was told to me in this thread, I can
(sadly) state, with conviction, the following true statements:

a) QuickVoice Lite stores its files in its own private space.
b) You can't email files *out* of Quick Voice Lite if they're >5MB.
c) That's pretty much all the files that are of anything worthwhile.
d) Also, QuickVoice will *never* let apps access any of its files.
e) So, you can *never* edit those files in another MP3 editor.
f) If you delete QuickVoice Lite, you lose all your data instantly!

If all those statements are true, then what I've learned
from this thread is that QuickVoice Lite is a scam.

Everything you save (that is worthwhile), is doomed to be lost.
Unless, you pay the ransom!

So, while you tell me to use the product how it's designed to
be used, I would say that the product is a scam, from the start,
and the fool is me, for having used it the way it's designed
to be used.

PS: Why do iPad users put up with this crazy use model?
Note: It has 3 stars (for a wholly useless scam app); I don't
even want to know what a 2-star app is then.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 21:41:01 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> *You* need; *we* don't.

Hi Michelle,

I learned a lot, sadly, in this thread, mainly because I come
from a different standpoint than, apparently, iPad users.

I come from the standpoint that an app does something useful.
And, what that app creates, is usable to other apps.

It turns out that this particular app, called QuickVoice Lite,
does *nothing* useful whatsoever!

Sure, it saves audio recordings, but, any recording of any
size is locked forever in the app itself. Forever!

And, since there is a limit on the number of files, every
single one of your files was doomed for the trash bin before
you ever made the recording.

Why iPad users put up with such a dictatorial use model is
beginning to make me wonder aloud who is the crazy one here.

Am I crazy?
Or is this use model absolutely crazy?

Once you've made a decent-sized recording in QuickVoice Lite:
a) You can never edit it (e.g., to trim it) in *any* app!
b) You can never save it either (e.g., if you delete the app).
c) You can't do *anything* with the file (QVL will eventually delete it).

So, before I go crazy here ... would someone please tell me ...

Q: What good is an iPad use model this restrictive?
(i.e., how do you guys get *anything* done, given these crazy use models?)

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 04:47:27 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Then jail break the thing and have root access, duh. It's not rocket
> science. It's just Unix. You can have it jail broken in 10 minutes, for
> crying out loud. Help yourself rather than bothering users who don't
> care about files on their iPads.

Sadly, that is the solution, I must (belatedly) agree.
I really *thought* an iPad was a useful thing, in and of itself.
It's not.

From this thread, I've found out that the iPad use model is so
restrictive, that you can't never edit any decently sized file
outside an app such as QuickVoice Lite.

You can't even save the file, because QuickVoice Lite will
eventually delete it (it seems to have a file counter).

If you delete QuickVoice, it will likely delete the files.

The only way to ever get access to your own files is to pay
QuickVoice their ransom amount. And, even then, you have to
email huge 50MB files to yourself (if that is even possible).

Wow. Had I known this, I would *never* have downloaded the app.
It got 3 stars. For a scam app. If a scam app gets 3 stars,
then that says a lot about the rating system alone.

Anyway, it sure looks like I'm going to have to learn how to
jailbreak an iPad. I really didn't want to have to do that.
The iPad should be useful without having to jailbreak it.

Sigh.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:13:28 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> But, what if I wanted to play or edit the QuickVoice audio files
>> on another application?

> unless the quickvoice app offers the ability to share them, you don't.

Wow. This particular app (which turns out to be a scam app under
these conditions), doesn't allow you to "share' any audio file
of any decent length.

>> Staying totally on the iPad, can it be possible that you guys
>> *never* edit a file in another app than the one app that created
>> it?
>

> the best choice to edit a document is with the app that created it.

Wow. This particular app's editing ability consist of the sole
capability of renaming the file. That's it for editing!

>> Put another way, how does an iPad user, staying wholly on the
>> iPad, edit a file in another application if the iPad user can't
>> even find their own files?
>

> the apps take care of where the documents are so you don't have to.

Wow. This particular app is a scam then.
I only realized my folly in using it, from your answers!
Between you and me, this is a crazy use model.

> whether an app offers the ability to share the documents with other
> apps depends on the app and whether it makes sense to share them.

It generally makes sense to be able to edit and save audio files.

> if it's a custom document format, no other app is going to be able to edit
> or even read them so there's no point.

Yea. But this is a simple audio file.
There's no need for a custom format.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:05:02 -0400, nospam wrote:

> It's a linux question, since a mac/windows user will never
> have this issue.

Hi nospam,

I generally agree with you (and with Michelle), but, I can't
agree that only Linux users want to be able to save, edit,
and share their files.

In this particular QuickVoice Lite use model, you (effectively),
can't save, edit, nor share your recorded audio files.

Had I known that, I never would have downloaded the app!

Now, my simple goal is to get rid of the app without losing all my
files.

It seems that you can't do that either.

The use model here is crazy.

It's not just a "Linux" thing to want to have the ability to save,
edit, and share your own files.

Anyway, it looks like I'm dead.

The only way around this crazy use model is to root the thing.
I really don't have the skills, nor the desire, to root something
I had never wanted to root in the first place.

Why this iPad is so hard to use is beyond me.

But, it seems, the only way to make the thing save, edit, and
share files, is to root it. That's sad. Really sad. I'm sorry,
for Apple users, of which, I am one. I really am.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 04:44:05 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You've also been told you can gain access to the file system of your
> iPad with a simple jail break; but for some unknown reason you don't
> seem keen to try that. Seems strange for a self-proclaimed Linux user
> not to want root access to a device they own

Hi Jolly Roger,

I have belatedly been forced to agree with you.

My *only* choice to make the saved audio files usable on the iPad is to
root the iPad.

Of course, I have no desire to root an iPad. I thought the iPad was
supposed to be *easy* to use. Not impossible to use without rooting.

But, in the case of my saved audio files, it appears you, and nospam,
and Michelle are all right. I was wrong in downloading this app.

Given the limitations, it's fundamentally impossible for me to save,
edit, or share the audio recordings (of any size) that were created by
this QuickVoice Lite program without resorting to rooting the iPad.

Once I root it, I lose the warranty.
Plus, I lose my innocence about iPads being a useful tool.

I had thought these things were simple to use.
They're not.

It's actually extremely difficult to get anything useful done on them.
Sigh. I will learn how to root the thing.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 04:44:05 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Seems strange for a self-proclaimed Linux user
> not to want root access to a device they own, but whatever floats your
> boat. Remain ignorant at your own peril.

One thing about being a Linux user is that Linux provides far simpler
a use model than the iPad turns out to enforce.

Linux is so easy to use that it just works. Specifically, if I
use a voice recorder on Linux, it simply saves the files.

Any other program can access those files.

If they're in the wrong format, I can easily change the format.
If I want to edit the files, I just edit them.
If I want to share the files, I just share them.
Linux just works that way.

The iPad doesn't.
Unless I root it.

Which, is what I'm going to have to do, just to save, edit,
and share my files. This is sad for the iPad.

[nospam]

In article <bv2duv...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger

<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> > What we really need, for the iPad, is a file browser that
> > can access the iPad's own files. That's the key here.
>
> Then jail break the thing and have root access, duh. It's not rocket
> science. It's just Unix. You can have it jail broken in 10 minutes, for
> crying out loud. Help yourself rather than bothering users who don't
> care about files on their iPads.

i'm pretty sure his ipad has 7.1 which means he can't jailbreak it. at
least not yet anyway and it's unknown when that may change, but chances
are it won't be until ios 8.

[nospam]

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<4a1e8$538c034b$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > The answer to that is either "I don't need to know" or for those who
> > care slightly, "inside the app's private file storage area".
>
> I understand.

not based on what you've posted.

> The problem is "accessing" the app's private storage from *another*
> app (say, a file editor perhaps).

it doesn't work that way.

everything is sandboxed.

it's possible for one app to share content, but that's up to the apps
involved.

> For example, let's say an iPad user saved a recording in Quick Voice
> but if that iPad user then wanted to edit that audio recording in,
> say, an MP3 audio editor (which must exist for the iPad, right?), the
> serious iPad user would want *access* to that private storage.

it doesn't work that way.

> > For third party apps which store "documents" on the iPad (as opposed to
> > keeping them in some kind of cloud/online storage), those documents are
> > saved inside the private area belonging to the app.
>
> I'm learning this about the iPad. Breaking into that private storage
> is a beast, even from the iPad to itself!

there's no need to break into anything.

you keep thinking that the ipad works as a mac/windows/linux based
system. it doesn't.

it's different and designed for different use cases.

> > No other app can access to them, due to the sandboxing mechanism.
>
> If that statement it true (and I have no reason to doubt your knowledge),
> then that bodes badly for iPad users. What that says is that an app
> (such as QuickVoice Recorder) can create audio files that *only* that
> one app can ever access. If true, that's absolutely crazy.

that's what sandboxing means.

apps can share their documents with other apps when it makes sense.

whether an app does that is up to the app developer. don't blame the
ipad for what one particular app does or doesn't do.

> > The user can't directly access the files either - they need to go
> > via whatever methods the app offers for importing and exporting data.
>
> Again, if that's true (and I have no reason to doubt you), then that's
> an absolutely crazy use model! In this case, of Quick Voice, you can
> forward *some* audio files to your email; but, the recordings have
> to be less than 5MB.

it's entirely up to the app what it shares and how.

if quickvoice only offers email sharing then it's a limitation of the
app, not the ipad.

> So, all your saved recordings are *forever* stuck inside of Quickvoice.
> There's no way to get them *out* of QuickVoice!

yes there is, using itunes or their sync app.

> Obviously, that means that QuickVoice is useless as a voice recorder,
> so I will delete it; but now comes the big question for iPad users:
> Q: If you delete an app, how do you save your content?

everything associated with an app is deleted when the app is deleted.

some apps offer ways to export the data, including via itunes, the
cloud or wifi.

> If the answer is "tough luck", I'd have to wonder why iPad users put
> up with such crazy use models?

it's not as crazy as it sounds.

> > Apple's built-in apps in some cases allow other apps limited access to
> > the data they manage, e.g. the camera roll and contacts have some degree
> > of availability to other apps.
>
> I've noticed that the camera roll is stored not in any one app's
> private "Documents" folder, but in a DCIM directory at the root level
> of my mount point on Linux of the iPad. So, that makes sense that
> all apps can access the photos and screenshots.

they can if it makes sense. they don't get blanket access to
everything. that would be bad.

> > If you have a backup of an iPad made with iTunes, and it isn't
> > encrypted, you can examine the backup with various utilities to see the
> > internal structure of how apps save their documents, but this is almost
> > entirely up to the app and the end user doesn't need to know.
>
> What strikes me as crazy, is that *anyone* puts up with a use model
> that is so extremely restrictive. It's like living under a dictatorship
> where, you ask:
> Q1: How can I send QuickVoice files to myself? A1: You can't.
> Q2: How can I edit QuickVoice files in another app? A2: You can't.
> Q3: If I delete QuickVoice, how do I save my files? A3: You can't.
>
> Why/How do iPad users put up with these crazy restrictions?

they use the product the way it was designed to be used and don't run
into the brick walls you keep running into.

that's not to say it's ideal, as the document sharing model is somewhat
restrictive but most of the time it isn't a big deal.

that may change tomorrow when ios 8 is previewed, or it may not.

[nospam]

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<9ad88$538c0910$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > no, what's needed is to use the product as it was designed to be used.
>
> Hi Nospam,
> I respect your opinions.

thanks.

> I was naive yesterday; today, I am a much wiser iPad user!

not wise enough to use itunes though :)

> You can call me the fool for having ever loaded this product on my
> iPad, but, it never occurred to me that the product was so evil.

it's not at all evil.

you're running into walls because you are using in a way that is wildly
different than it was designed to be used.

> Now that I've learned what was told to me in this thread, I can
> (sadly) state, with conviction, the following true statements:
>
> a) QuickVoice Lite stores its files in its own private space.

all apps do. that's what sandboxing means.

however, there are a few exceptions, such as the camera roll.

> b) You can't email files *out* of Quick Voice Lite if they're >5MB.

that's because large email attachments are not good.

> c) That's pretty much all the files that are of anything worthwhile.
> d) Also, QuickVoice will *never* let apps access any of its files.

no.

sandboxing is what blocks apps from accessing each others files. this
is intentional and makes the system vastly more secure than it would
otherwise be.

however, apps can share their documents with other apps if the app
developer chooses to do that. some do, some don't.

> e) So, you can *never* edit those files in another MP3 editor.

you can if quickvoice supports sharing files.

> f) If you delete QuickVoice Lite, you lose all your data instantly!

unless you sync it, like it was designed to be used.

did they reply to your email about a linux sync app yet?

> If all those statements are true, then what I've learned
> from this thread is that QuickVoice Lite is a scam.

then choose another app.

> Everything you save (that is worthwhile), is doomed to be lost.
> Unless, you pay the ransom!

what ransom? it's a free app and i don't see a paid version of it.

> So, while you tell me to use the product how it's designed to
> be used, I would say that the product is a scam, from the start,
> and the fool is me, for having used it the way it's designed
> to be used.
>
> PS: Why do iPad users put up with this crazy use model?
> Note: It has 3 stars (for a wholly useless scam app); I don't
> even want to know what a 2-star app is then.

like everything, it has advantages and disadvantages.

the problem is that you're using the ipad in a wildly different way
than it was intended, so you are running in brick walls.

[nospam]

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<5cfc4$538c0a80$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> I learned a lot, sadly, in this thread, mainly because I come
> from a different standpoint than, apparently, iPad users.
>
> I come from the standpoint that an app does something useful.
> And, what that app creates, is usable to other apps.
>
> It turns out that this particular app, called QuickVoice Lite,
> does *nothing* useful whatsoever!

then pick a different app.

> Sure, it saves audio recordings, but, any recording of any
> size is locked forever in the app itself. Forever!

there is a sync app available for quickvoice, although only for mac and
windows.

there are other recording apps.

> And, since there is a limit on the number of files, every
> single one of your files was doomed for the trash bin before
> you ever made the recording.

then pick a different app without those limitations.

> Why iPad users put up with such a dictatorial use model is
> beginning to make me wonder aloud who is the crazy one here.
>
> Am I crazy?
> Or is this use model absolutely crazy?

you are crazy for trying to use the ipad in the most convoluted way
possible.

> Once you've made a decent-sized recording in QuickVoice Lite:
> a) You can never edit it (e.g., to trim it) in *any* app!
> b) You can never save it either (e.g., if you delete the app).
> c) You can't do *anything* with the file (QVL will eventually delete it).
>
> So, before I go crazy here ... would someone please tell me ...
>
> Q: What good is an iPad use model this restrictive?
> (i.e., how do you guys get *anything* done, given these crazy use models?)

you are blaming the ipad model for what one particular app does?

[nospam]

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<4f9e0$538c0bb4$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > Then jail break the thing and have root access, duh. It's not rocket
> > science. It's just Unix. You can have it jail broken in 10 minutes, for
> > crying out loud. Help yourself rather than bothering users who don't
> > care about files on their iPads.
>
> Sadly, that is the solution, I must (belatedly) agree.
> I really *thought* an iPad was a useful thing, in and of itself.
> It's not.

it is very useful, just not in the way you're trying to use it.

> From this thread, I've found out that the iPad use model is so
> restrictive, that you can't never edit any decently sized file
> outside an app such as QuickVoice Lite.

it depends on the apps.

> You can't even save the file, because QuickVoice Lite will
> eventually delete it (it seems to have a file counter).

maybe that app does (i've not tried it) but that would be a limitation
of the lite version.

lite versions are basically demos so you can see if the real version is
worth buying.

> If you delete QuickVoice, it will likely delete the files.

anything in its sandbox is deleted. having files left over defeats the
point of sandboxing.

> The only way to ever get access to your own files is to pay
> QuickVoice their ransom amount. And, even then, you have to
> email huge 50MB files to yourself (if that is even possible).

they don't work for free.

there may be other recording apps that fit your needs. there's also a
built-in recording app that comes with ios.

> Wow. Had I known this, I would *never* have downloaded the app.
> It got 3 stars. For a scam app. If a scam app gets 3 stars,
> then that says a lot about the rating system alone.

it's free. you're out a total of $0.00.

> Anyway, it sure looks like I'm going to have to learn how to
> jailbreak an iPad. I really didn't want to have to do that.
> The iPad should be useful without having to jailbreak it.

ipads are extremely useful without jailbreaking.

jailbreaking does add some functionality not otherwise available but
it's certainly not required for the ipad to be useful.

[nospam]

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<5cf4d$538c0fa5$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> >> But, what if I wanted to play or edit the QuickVoice audio files
> >> on another application?
> > unless the quickvoice app offers the ability to share them, you don't.
>
> Wow. This particular app (which turns out to be a scam app under
> these conditions), doesn't allow you to "share' any audio file
> of any decent length.

then choose a different app.

a search of 'recorder' comes back with 1000 hits, the limit of the
search engine. there must be something that does what you want. not all
of those results are free but there's plenty that is.

> >> Staying totally on the iPad, can it be possible that you guys
> >> *never* edit a file in another app than the one app that created
> >> it?
> >
> > the best choice to edit a document is with the app that created it.
>
> Wow. This particular app's editing ability consist of the sole
> capability of renaming the file. That's it for editing!

then choose a different app.

> >> Put another way, how does an iPad user, staying wholly on the
> >> iPad, edit a file in another application if the iPad user can't
> >> even find their own files?
> >
> > the apps take care of where the documents are so you don't have to.
>
> Wow. This particular app is a scam then.
> I only realized my folly in using it, from your answers!
> Between you and me, this is a crazy use model.

actually it's a very good use model.

if you've ever seen normal people, aka non-geeks, try to use a
computer, you'd see just how lost they can get.

> > whether an app offers the ability to share the documents with other
> > apps depends on the app and whether it makes sense to share them.
>
> It generally makes sense to be able to edit and save audio files.

then choose a different app that offers those features. maybe there's
even an app that records and edits all in the same app. i suspect it
won't be free though.

you're trying to make an app do something for which it was never
designed to do based on your description of the app.

> > if it's a custom document format, no other app is going to be able to edit
> > or even read them so there's no point.
>
> Yea. But this is a simple audio file.
> There's no need for a custom format.

nevertheless, it's up to the app what features are offered.

[nospam]

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<8b971$538c1135$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > It's a linux question, since a mac/windows user will never
> > have this issue.
>
> Hi nospam,
>
> I generally agree with you (and with Michelle), but, I can't
> agree that only Linux users want to be able to save, edit,
> and share their files.

you are thinking of it as a typical desktop computer. it isn't.

> In this particular QuickVoice Lite use model, you (effectively),
> can't save, edit, nor share your recorded audio files.

documents are automatically saved. you don't have to worry about that
anymore.

whether an app offers the ability to edit and/or share is up to the app
developer.

if quickvoice doesn't do what you want, pick something else that does.

> Had I known that, I never would have downloaded the app!
>
> Now, my simple goal is to get rid of the app without losing all my
> files.
>
> It seems that you can't do that either.

sync it with mac/windows, using their sync app.

> The use model here is crazy.

the way in which you are trying to use it is what's crazy.

> It's not just a "Linux" thing to want to have the ability to save,
> edit, and share your own files.

it is in the way you're trying to do it.

> Anyway, it looks like I'm dead.
>
> The only way around this crazy use model is to root the thing.
> I really don't have the skills, nor the desire, to root something
> I had never wanted to root in the first place.
>
> Why this iPad is so hard to use is beyond me.

it's only hard because you're using it in a way that is nothing at all
like it was designed.

all of the problems you're running into are of your own making.

> But, it seems, the only way to make the thing save, edit, and
> share files, is to root it. That's sad. Really sad. I'm sorry,
> for Apple users, of which, I am one. I really am.

that would be an incorrect assumption.

[nospam]

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<7c715$538c125c$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> Given the limitations, it's fundamentally impossible for me to save,
> edit, or share the audio recordings (of any size) that were created by
> this QuickVoice Lite program without resorting to rooting the iPad.

pick a different app.

since you restrict yourself to free apps, you haven't lost anything.

>
> Once I root it, I lose the warranty.

true but if you restore it to a stock firmware it will be un-jailbroken
and chances are they'll never know.

the risk is if the ipad bricks while jailbroken and attempts to restore
it fail. depending how bricked it really is, they might be able to tell
if it was jailbroken or not.

> Plus, I lose my innocence about iPads being a useful tool.
>
> I had thought these things were simple to use.
> They're not.

they're extremely simple to use.

[nospam]

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<269b8$538c1356$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > Seems strange for a self-proclaimed Linux user
> > not to want root access to a device they own, but whatever floats your
> > boat. Remain ignorant at your own peril.
>
> One thing about being a Linux user is that Linux provides far simpler
> a use model than the iPad turns out to enforce.

other way around.

the linux model is as complicated as can be.

the ipad intentionally removes all of the complexity so that the user
can deal with the task they need to do and *not* worry about what goes
on internally.

> Linux is so easy to use that it just works.

bullshit. linux does not 'just work'. far from it.

> Specifically, if I
> use a voice recorder on Linux, it simply saves the files.

the recordings are automatically saved without the user needing to do
anything.

it doesn't get any easier than that.

> Any other program can access those files.

not in a sandboxed world they don't.

> If they're in the wrong format, I can easily change the format.
> If I want to edit the files, I just edit them.
> If I want to share the files, I just share them.
> Linux just works that way.

so does the ipad.

you apparently picked an app with a number of limitations.

> The iPad doesn't.
> Unless I root it.

and even if you root it, or jailbreak it as it's called.

> Which, is what I'm going to have to do, just to save, edit,
> and share my files. This is sad for the iPad.

no, it's sad for you because you stubbornly refuse to use the product
the way it was designed to be used.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 04:47:27 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Then jail break the thing and have root access, duh. It's not rocket
> science.

Googling for how to jailbreak an iOS 7.1.1 iPad, am I correct that
it's impossible to jailbreak?

It says that here:
http://www.iphonehacks.com/jailbreak-ios-7-1
http://www.redmondpie.com/jailbreak-ios-7.1-update-apple-patches-evasi0n7-jailbreak/

All I can find are tethered jailbreaks:
http://www.evad3rs.net/2014/04/jailbreak-711-download-links-available.html

Did I find the right information on jailbreaking?

[nospam]

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<d49e$538c1a75$43da7656$24...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> Googling for how to jailbreak an iOS 7.1.1 iPad, am I correct that
> it's impossible to jailbreak?

currently, yes.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:39 -0400, nospam wrote:

> what ransom? it's a free app and i don't see a paid version of it.

I thought it was a free app, but, if you want to actually
share, edit, or save your files, you need to pay them to be able
to send yourself an email of the file (if the file is >5MB, which
they almost all are).

Now, we both agree that emailing yourself a >5MB file (some are
easily ten times that size) is a really dumb way to access a file,
but, email seems to be the *only* use model available to the user.

After googling for how to jailbreak the iPad, just so that I can
save or edit a file, I found out that iOS7.1.1 isn't jailbreakable
yet (or so it seems).

So, I'm back to trying to figure out how to save, edit, and
share files from this program which I wish I had never installed
in the first place.

I guess I can just cut my losses and delete it, but, like iTunes
did to me in the past, the use model here is insanely crazy if
you haven't had a good glass of the JimJones punch first.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:41 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> It turns out that this particular app, called QuickVoice Lite,
>> does *nothing* useful whatsoever!
>

> then pick a different app.

Easy to say, but if I delete Quick Voice Lite, I lose *all*
my data. There is no way to back it up.

Maybe I'm wrong, and there is (somehow?) a way to back up
the data?

If not, that's a crazy Apple use model.

[nospam]

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<d5528$538c1e9a$43da7656$24...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> >> It turns out that this particular app, called QuickVoice Lite,
> >> does *nothing* useful whatsoever!
> >
> > then pick a different app.
>
> Easy to say, but if I delete Quick Voice Lite, I lose *all*
> my data. There is no way to back it up.
>
> Maybe I'm wrong, and there is (somehow?) a way to back up
> the data?

use the sync app that they offer although no linux version.

it may be possible to use itunes.

> If not, that's a crazy Apple use model.

it's the app.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:39 -0400, nospam wrote:

> did they reply to your email about a linux sync app yet?

There is no Linux sync app.
Here's the standard email though, for Mac & Windows ...

Dear Friend,

Thank you for contacting us…
Below are download links to our most recent QuickVoice sync utility that will copy your QuickVoice recordings to your computer.
QuickVoice Sync Utility Download Links:
For Mac OS X:
www.nfinityinc.com/quickvoicesyncmac.zip <http://www.nfinityinc.com/quickvoicesyncmac.zip>

For Windows:
www.nfinityinc.com/quickvoicesyncwin.exe <http://www.nfinityinc.com/QuickVoiceSyncWin.exe>

Use the utility for the following:
To copy your QuickVoice mobile device recordings to your computer.
Use the utility to add select recordings of your choosing to your iTunes library for management there e.g. play QuickVoice recordings using iTunes, burn audio CDs, upload to your iPod, manage and archive, etc


INSTRUCTIONS FOR COPYING RECORDINGS TO YOUR COMPUTER:

Step 1
Perform a Back Up of your device [iPhone/iPad/iPod] to iTunes on your computer (not the cloud). **Note: This is very important > Make sure you are NOT ENCRYPTING your Back Ups otherwise your audio recordings won't be playable on your computer.

Step 2
Launch the Sync Utility on your computer and simply click the [Import] button. The utility will extract your QuickVoice recordings from your iTunes backup and copy them to your newly created [Documents > QuickVoice] folder. You can play back the QuickVoice recordings on your computer using QuickTime.

Optional Step 3
You can also use the sync utility to add select recordings of your choosing to your iTunes library. To accomplish this simply click on the sync utility's File>Export To iTunes menu item.


SYNC TROUBLESHOOTING TIPS:

If you're having trouble syncing your recordings to computer or playing them back please try the following in order:

1. Make sure you are NOT ENCRYPTING your backups when performing your iPhone/iPad to iTunes sync otherwise your recordings will be un-playable on your computer.

2. Make sure you are syncing to iTunes on your computer too (not just the Cloud).

3. If you have some recordings that are not syncing, and they are ones that you titled, try changing the names of those recordings to something very simple such as recording1, recording2, etc. then do another backup and then run the utility again.

4. Last but not least, make sure you have all the latest versions of iPhone OS, QuickVoice app, iTunes, and the QuickVoice desktop app.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:41 -0400, nospam wrote:

> there is a sync app available for quickvoice,
> although only for mac and windows.

It's odd that I need to download a special sync app just to
save the files, but if that's what I have to do, then that's
the use model (I don't have any choice, do I?).

For Mac OS X:
http://www.nfinityinc.com/quickvoicesyncmac.zip
http://www.nfinityinc.com/quickvoicesyncwin.exe

I sure hope it doesn't also need iTunes, because that would
be a sad day for my Windows desktop, and a very long one at
that.

The moment I've saved my files, I'm deleting QuickVoice
and never (ever!) downloading anything from nFinity Inc
for the rest of my life!

This software is nothing but a scam, in that it "says" it's
free, and it "says" it records your files, but, you can't
actually do *anything* with those files without going through
this kind of heroics (or paying their ransom, but even that
ransom only gets you to 20MB sized files). Sigh.

Lesson learned. Never trust this company. How does this
scam software get into the Apple store in the first place?

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:43 -0400, nospam wrote:

> it is very useful, just not in the way you're trying to use it.

I'm not the only one who realized the entire app is a scam:
(Solved) - Any way to get files trapped in QuickVoice iPad app? Camera C. Kit maybe?
http://www.howtogeek.com/forum/topic/any-way-to-get-files-trapped-in-quickvoice-ipad-app-camera-c-kit-maybe

Turns out, they *PLAYED* the files, and then re-recorded the audio,
and only then, could they get the files off the iPad!

You'll note that someone commented in that thread that they learned
the same "lesson" that I did, about thinking that you "get" access
to your own audio files:
"It seemed so stupid. Impossible even. As in, "Of course you can GET them,
silly - it's entire FUNCTION is audio files... surely they'd mention the
majority of its 'features' only applying to 30 second clips? They'd HAVE to!"
Well, as Mike Brady said, I've learned a valuable lesson."

Why such a scam is allowed in the App store in the first place is
already beyond me.

Anyway, I don't wish to complain.
I just want my audio files back.

Then I will delete the scam Quick Voice app, and never ever (ever!)
install anything from nFinity Inc ever again.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:43 -0400, nospam wrote:

> anything in its sandbox is deleted. having files left over defeats the
> point of sandboxing.

Thanks for confirming.

It would be too easy to leave the user their files like every other
program does on every other platform does.

For example, on Windows, if I delete, say, the Audacity audio editor,
it doesn't then go and delete all my audio files.

Neither would, say, Handbrake on Linux go and maliciously delete all
the user content, just because the user deleted the program.

But, I guess, on the iPad, it just deletes.

As I slowly become accustomed to the Apple way, I'll even hazard a
guess that it won't even warn the user that they're about to lose
*all* their hard-earned data, even though all they want to do is
delete the malware program itself.

Sigh. I'm learning too much about this iPad, but I do thank you
for your input. What I am learning is that the iPad use model
is absolutely unfathomably crazy.

And that's all by itself.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:43 -0400, nospam wrote:

> it's free. you're out a total of $0.00.

And, you're out every single one of your data files.

That's the definition of malware.

How this malware got into the Apple store is beyond me.

You can't even transfer the files via iTunes, according
to this article:
http://download.cnet.com/QuickVoice-Recorder-for-iPhone/3000-2141_4-10875097.html

"Quick Voice Recorder has a very limited audience in its free iteration because
it really just retreads the same basic functions of a built-in iOS app.
While it does have more screen real estate and it is easier to navigate
your recordings, the same limits apply, including the size of your file
when sending by e-mail. With the added issue of not being able to transfer
files through iTunes, many users will be immediately frustrated when
trying to get large recordings off their phone."

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:43 -0400, nospam wrote:

> there's also a built-in recording app that comes with ios.

Interestingly, that built-in app has the same horrific limitations
as does QuickVoice.

But, at least the built-in app (presumably) works with iTunes.

Anyway, it turns out to be a useless app, that should never have
been in the App store in the first place. My mistake.

http://download.cnet.com/QuickVoice-Recorder-for-iPhone/3000-2141_4-10875097.html
"If you are considering QuickVoice Recorder, know that the lite version
is too feature-barren to warrant a download"

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:43 -0400, nospam wrote:

> there may be other recording apps that fit your needs. there's also a

> built-in recording app that comes with ios.

It has the same severe limitations.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:43 -0400, nospam wrote:

> jailbreaking does add some functionality not otherwise available but
> it's certainly not required for the ipad to be useful.

That's only true if you don't want to save, edit, or share your
files with yourself, or with someone else.

The problem for me now, is that the files are not available
through iTunes, they're not available through the app itself,
they're not available through other apps on the iPad, and,
worst yet, jailbreaking is apparently not available for my
iOS7.1.1 device.

I am still exploring two alternatives, which is to simply
*play* the audio off the iPad and re-record that audio on
my Android phone or Linux laptop.

Or, I can install Windows 7 on a desktop and see if the
specific "sync" software for QuickVoice actually works.

Knowing already what this evil company is capable of creating,
the Marketing guys must be laughing right now at my predicament.

For one, I'll never download *anything* from http://www.nfinityinc.com
ever again; but, for the other, I'm going to be very wary of
what Apple seems to allow in that app store, since this
software is, essentially, malware.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:44 -0400, nospam wrote:

> actually it's a very good use model.

You can't possibly be saying that with a straight face.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:44 -0400, nospam wrote:

> you're trying to make an app do something for which it was never
> designed to do based on your description of the app.

C'mon now.

Even you have to admit that they MARKETING guys for
nfinity really pulled the wool over our eyes on this one!

The app is essentially malware, disguised as a functional app.
It has no business being in the App store in the first place.

Why Apple allows this malware to exist is beyond me.

But, don't take "my" word for it.
Read this, for example:

"Allows you to make quick recordings to your iPad, but unless the
recordings are EXTREMELY short, they're going to be stuck in the
app forever! You can't email/sync/text or in any other way transfer
the files to your computer or any other device."

And this:
"The recording quality is excellent but unfortunately once you
record something over 5MB, you can’t do anything with it.
When I realized this, I clicked on the upgrade gear figuring
that if I paid 2.99, it would unlock the program and I would
be able to send or sync the records. Sadly, that was not the
case as it just loaded another app called Quickvoice Pro onto
my phone. There does not seem to be a way to transfer or”sync”
the recordings to my mac, and if there is, the developer should
make that process clear. I am now stuck with a bunch of recordings
that are important but useless."


Both those reviews are here, but the point is that the MARKETING
guys scammed us. Yes, I was a fool. But I'm not the only fool
who was scammed by this app, which shouldn't even *be* in the
App store!
http://iosreviews.net/quickvoice-recorder-phenomenally-useless-app-review4197825

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:46 -0400, nospam wrote:

> sync it with mac/windows, using their sync app.

I haven't loaded their sync software, but, why on earth it
doesn't sync with iTunes yet it requires iTunes to sync
makes absolutely no sense to me.

Does that use model make sense to you?

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:46 -0400, nospam wrote:

> the way in which you are trying to use it is what's crazy.

Hmmmm....

a) I'm recording audio (that's not crazy) ...
b) I want to save, edit, and share that audio too.

Is it so crazy to want to do that simple thing with an iPad app?

Here are some reviews that show I'm not the only one with such
a crazy use model as to want to share, edit, and save files.

And, I'm not the only one fooled by this NFinity MARKETING scam!

"no way to export files. Unless you plan on going to nFinity's
web site and purchasing a $15 app for your Mac or PC. If you
intend on getting this app, don't record anything too important
that you may want to share (i.e. a business meeting) ...like I
did. *****NOTE TO nFINITY****** FIX THIS, QUICK ! ! ! Put up a
disclaimer on your product description stating the user can only
email files up to 5MB. (Not a very big file for an app that is
marketed for use in business meetings and class lectures, if
you ask me.)"

"If you're looking for a voice recording app that will transfer
recorded app to iTunes pass on this one. Recorded about 15 minutes
worth of audio. Discovered that in order to export audio to iTunes,
mp3, I would have to pay $15 for a windows app. Uninstalled."

"I recorded two different lectures on this and although the
sound is very clear, I can't transfer them to my computer at all!"

"Never had anything this painful to use. Try syncing it to PC,
you'll regret you have recorded anything of importance with it."

"I have a gigabyte of recordings that I cannot backup.
QuickVoice only allows email transfer up to 5 MB maximum and
inexplicably, no backup option in iTunes file sharing. Dumping
this useless recorder for PureAudio."

"The app is useful only if you want to keep all your voice notes
in surrounded in a moat of poor app development. It's impossible
to export any file outside of the app to edit or email.
I've been trying to figure out a way to get a file that's 5.1MB
out of the app all day to no luck. Since it won't let you email
anything above 5MB, the app is pretty much useless for anything else."

etc.
http://www.badappreviews.com/iosapps/7571/quickvoice-recorder/2

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:48 -0400, nospam wrote:

> they're extremely simple to use.

You can't possibly be typing that with a straight face
given what we *both* now know about this app.

[Savageduck]

On 2014-06-02 04:53:31 +0000, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> said:

>>
>
> What strikes me as crazy, is that *anyone* puts up with a use model
> that is so extremely restrictive. It's like living under a dictatorship
> where, you ask:
> Q1: How can I send QuickVoice files to myself? A1: You can't.
> Q2: How can I edit QuickVoice files in another app? A2: You can't.
> Q3: If I delete QuickVoice, how do I save my files? A3: You can't.
>
> Why/How do iPad users put up with these crazy restrictions?

I don't know about QuickVoice, but I can take a saved recording made on
"Voice Memos" and email it to myself with no trouble at all. I can send
it to Dropbox and more.
< https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/voice-memos-for-ipad/id364295267?mt=8 >

Now if you took the time to read the features of QuickVoice as I have
just done, you will discover the you can share (to yourself if need be)
via email.
< https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quickvoice-recorder/id284675296?mt=8 >

You need to stop tinkering under the hood, with stuff you don't understand.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:49 -0400, nospam wrote:

> bullshit. linux does not 'just work'. far from it.

Trust me. I never thought Linux was easy, until I tried to
get the iPad to do something simple.

Like edit, save, and share a recorded audio file.

People told me in this thread
a) It can't be done
b) What do you want for a free app?
c) Jailbreak the iPad (which can't be jailbroken)
d) Download *more* software from NFinity! <== which reviews say doesn't work
e) Oh, and, by the way, it's *easy*

I am going to have to call you on the bulldunk meter on this one.

This particular app, and this particular use model, is a horrific
affront to the user (and you know that).

Linux, by comparison, is child's play.

[Savageduck]

On 2014-06-02 05:18:08 +0000, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> said:

> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:05:08 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> no, what's needed is to use the product as it was designed to be used.
>
> Hi Nospam,
> I respect your opinions.
>
> I was naive yesterday; today, I am a much wiser iPad user!

Not yet. Not yet.

> You can call me the fool for having ever loaded this product on my
> iPad, but, it never occurred to me that the product was so evil.

There are other reasons for calling you a fool.

> Now that I've learned what was told to me in this thread, I can
> (sadly) state, with conviction, the following true statements:
>
> a) QuickVoice Lite stores its files in its own private space.
> b) You can't email files *out* of Quick Voice Lite if they're >5MB.
> c) That's pretty much all the files that are of anything worthwhile.
> d) Also, QuickVoice will *never* let apps access any of its files.
> e) So, you can *never* edit those files in another MP3 editor.
> f) If you delete QuickVoice Lite, you lose all your data instantly!
>
> If all those statements are true, then what I've learned
> from this thread is that QuickVoice Lite is a scam.

How the fuck do you figure a free app is a scam?


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:49 -0400, nospam wrote:

> you apparently picked an app with a number of limitations.

I had to smile when I read that.

Yeah. Like nothing you create with this app on the iPad
can be saved, edited, nor shared.

But, other than that....

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:49 -0400, nospam wrote:

> no, it's sad for you because you stubbornly refuse to use the product

> the way it was designed to be used.

Let's face it.

This product is DESIGNED to be a scam.

It *is* a scam.

I fell for the scam.

There is no other way to *use* the product.

It records your files, but you can *never* save (because it eventually
deletes them), edit (because they're locked inside the program forever),
nor share them (because many reviews say iTunes won't work with it and
their sync software doesn't work either).

Those who said to simply jailbreak the iPad didn't realize I'm on
7.1.1. which isn't jailbreakable (afaik).

So, I'm left with one final option, which is to go back to the stone
age and play the audio on the iPad and record it with my Android
phone next to the iPad.

That *will* work. But, you can't possibly be saying that I'm
not using the product the way it was designed simply because
the product is a scam from the start that never should have been
in the App store.

I would think Apple would vet this stuff and remove it.

Is there a way to complain directly to Apple about malware in
their App store?

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:37 -0400, nospam wrote:

> if quickvoice only offers email sharing then it's a limitation of the
> app, not the ipad.

This is true, and I take back what I said about the iPad.

It's not the iPad's fault that it doesn't come with a decent
built-in audio recording app, nor that the app I happened to
choose is actually useless in all ways other than clever
(yet blatantly deceptive) marketing would have you believe.

It *is* Apple's fault for allowing this malware product from
NFinity to even exist in the app store, so my lesson learned
is to not trust Apple's vetting process.

But, the good news, and the answer to the question posted in
the OP, is that I have been able to save my first audio file
out of the iPad simply by playing that file out the iPad's
speakers into my Android phone's microphone.

Now I (finally) have an audio file (out of the iPad QuickVoice
app) that I can easily save, edit, and share.

Whew!

Thanks for all your help and advice!

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:45:11 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> There are other reasons for calling you a fool.

:)

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:45:11 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> How the heck do you figure a free app is a scam?

The advertising for the app is a blatant lie.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:54:15 -0400, nospam wrote:

> use the sync app that they offer although no linux version.

Many reviews say their sync app doesn't work.

> it may be possible to use itunes.

ALL the reviews say it won't work with iTunes!

[Savageduck]

On 2014-06-02 06:48:53 +0000, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> said:

> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:39 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> what ransom? it's a free app and i don't see a paid version of it.
>
> I thought it was a free app, but, if you want to actually
> share, edit, or save your files, you need to pay them to be able
> to send yourself an email of the file (if the file is >5MB, which
> they almost all are).
>
> Now, we both agree that emailing yourself a >5MB file (some are
> easily ten times that size) is a really dumb way to access a file,
> but, email seems to be the *only* use model available to the user.

WTF are you doing, bootlegging concerts?
Dictating a doctoral dissertation?

> After googling for how to jailbreak the iPad, just so that I can
> save or edit a file, I found out that iOS7.1.1 isn't jailbreakable
> yet (or so it seems).
>
> So, I'm back to trying to figure out how to save, edit, and
> share files from this program which I wish I had never installed
> in the first place.
>
> I guess I can just cut my losses and delete it, but, like iTunes
> did to me in the past, the use model here is insanely crazy if
> you haven't had a good glass of the JimJones punch first.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Savageduck]

On 2014-06-02 06:55:23 +0000, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> said:

> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:39 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> did they reply to your email about a linux sync app yet?
>
> There is no Linux sync app.
> Here's the standard email though, for Mac & Windows ...

Do you get it yet?
iOS devices and apps are not designed with Linux in mind.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Savageduck]

On 2014-06-02 07:44:55 +0000, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> said:

> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:49 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> bullshit. linux does not 'just work'. far from it.
>
> Trust me. I never thought Linux was easy, until I tried to
> get the iPad to do something simple.

You are trying to do stuff on incompatible and unsupported systems.

> Like edit, save, and share a recorded audio file.
>
> People told me in this thread
> a) It can't be done
> b) What do you want for a free app?
> c) Jailbreak the iPad (which can't be jailbroken)
> d) Download *more* software from NFinity! <== which reviews say doesn't work
> e) Oh, and, by the way, it's *easy*
>
> I am going to have to call you on the bulldunk meter on this one.
>
> This particular app, and this particular use model, is a horrific
> affront to the user (and you know that).
>
> Linux, by comparison, is child's play.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:41:50 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> You need to stop tinkering under the hood,
> with stuff you don't understand.

While there's nothing wrong with that statement, I do believe
I understand the QuickVoice Lite use model all too clearly.

Once the user *understands* the true use model (i.e., not
the advertising lies in the product description), then
one knows *exactly* what to do with this NFinity product.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:41:50 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> Now if you took the time to read the features of QuickVoice as I have
> just done, you will discover the you can share (to yourself if need be)
> via email.
> < https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quickvoice-recorder/id284675296?mt=8 >

Hi Savage Duck,
I really respect your opinion, but the problem is that this is a scam,
designed to be a scam. What the MARKETING guys say is all a lie.

Read the reviews I referenced already.

Basically, everything they "say" for the "free" tool doesn't actually
work, and, worse yet, the *only* way to get the files off the iPad
is to play them and record them from something like an Android
phone.

I realize you might not have read the reviews, but, that thing the
marketing guys say that you can share it to yourself if need be is
total bunk. It's a lie.

Yes, it fooled you.
It fooled many other users (see the reviews I quoted already).
It fooled me.

But, the fact is, once you record any reasonably sized file with
Quick Voice Lite, it's doomed to be deleted because it can't be
saved, nor edited, nor shared (despite the lies in the product
description) and eventually it will be deleted as they employ
a rolling counter.

So, Quick Voice Lite, at best, is an iPad toy. Useless.
At worst, it's malware (because all your recordings are lost).

Even worse, it doesn't work with iTunes.

And, based on multiple reviews, the nFinity "special" sync
software doesn't work either.

Knowing what I know now about NFinity, they can't be trusted.
Why Apple allows them in the App store is another worry.

Luckily, the solution is to play the HOURS of recordings,
and, in real time, re-record them onto my Android phone,
and, from my Android phone, I *can* save, edit, and share
the recordings.

Sigh.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:56:51 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> WTF are you doing, bootlegging concerts?
> Dictating a doctoral dissertation?

I'm recording my kid singing.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 01:00:06 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> Do you get it yet?
> iOS devices and apps are not designed with Linux in mind.

The problem is far worse than trying to copy a Quick Voice
Lite recorded audio file to Linux.

Linux is child's play compared to trying to get a simple
voice recording app on the iPad to simply allow you to
save, edit, or share the recording with others.

On Linux that would be child's play.
On the iPad, with this touted QuickVoice Recorder Lite
app, it's actually impossible!

Yes, impossible!

This Quick Voice Lite app should never have been in the
App Store in the first place, mainly because the description
is a bold lie.

See, for example, what this forum thread says about it:
(Solved) - Any way to get files trapped in QuickVoice iPad app? Camera C. Kit maybe?
http://www.howtogeek.com/forum/topic/any-way-to-get-files-trapped-in-quickvoice-ipad-app-camera-c-kit-maybe

Turns out, they *PLAYED* the files, and then re-recorded the audio,
and only then, could they get the files off the iPad!

You'll note that someone commented in that thread that they learned
the same "lesson" that I did, about thinking that you "get" access
to your own audio files:
"It seemed so stupid. Impossible even. As in, "Of course you can GET them,
silly - it's entire FUNCTION is audio files... surely they'd mention the
majority of its 'features' only applying to 30 second clips? They'd HAVE to!"
Well, as Mike Brady said, I've learned a valuable lesson."

How this malware got into the Apple store is beyond me.

You can't even transfer the files via iTunes, according
to this article:
http://download.cnet.com/QuickVoice-Recorder-for-iPhone/3000-2141_4-10875097.html

"Quick Voice Recorder has a very limited audience in its free iteration because
it really just retreads the same basic functions of a built-in iOS app.
While it does have more screen real estate and it is easier to navigate
your recordings, the same limits apply, including the size of your file
when sending by e-mail. With the added issue of not being able to transfer
files through iTunes, many users will be immediately frustrated when
trying to get large recordings off their phone."

You could blame me for falling for the lies in the product description
at the Apple Store, but at least I'm not the only one who fell for it:

See this:

[Savageduck]

Then buy yourself a decent recorder.
look through these for starters.
<
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Portable-Digital-Recorders/ci/14934/N/3992462091
>

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 01:05:10 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> You are trying to do stuff on incompatible and unsupported systems.

How can you say that when all I'm trying to do is save or edit
a file of my kid singing, and share that file with my wife,
who, also happens to be, on an iPad.

That simplest of all file sharing (which works just fine on all
other plaforms, including Linux) has been proven in this thread
to be impossible with this software on these iOS7.1.1 iPads.

Even rooting/jailbreaking the iPad won't solve this problem.
Even iTunes on Windows/Mac won't work with this software.
Even the "special" software from the app supplier won't work
(according to the reviews).

Worse yet, the iPad doesn't come with anything better built in.

My *only* solution is to play the HOURS of audio, real time,
and then record them on my Android phone, so that I finally
*can* simply save, edit, and share the MP3 files.

Wow. The iPad use model sure *is* crazy!

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 01:18:51 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> Then buy yourself a decent recorder.

Why isn't the iPad a decent audio recorder?

Is that so difficult a thing for the iPad to perform out of the box?

[David Taylor]

Please remove comp.mobile.android from your posts. This is not an iPad
support group. Thanks.

--
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

[David Empson]

Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 04:47:27 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
> > Then jail break the thing and have root access, duh. It's not rocket
> > science. It's just Unix. You can have it jail broken in 10 minutes, for
> > crying out loud. Help yourself rather than bothering users who don't
> > care about files on their iPads.
>
> Sadly, that is the solution, I must (belatedly) agree.
> I really *thought* an iPad was a useful thing, in and of itself.
> It's not.
>
> From this thread, I've found out that the iPad use model is so
> restrictive, that you can't never edit any decently sized file
> outside an app such as QuickVoice Lite.
>
> You can't even save the file, because QuickVoice Lite will
> eventually delete it (it seems to have a file counter).
>
> If you delete QuickVoice, it will likely delete the files.

That will delete them, because they are stored inside the app's
container. Same as every other app on an iPad.

> The only way to ever get access to your own files is to pay
> QuickVoice their ransom amount. And, even then, you have to
> email huge 50MB files to yourself (if that is even possible).

Not true. The free companion app can copy the recordings out of a backup
made with iTunes, with either the free or paid versions of QuickVoice.
You could also use free third party utilities to extract files out of an
iTunes backup of the iPad in the same manner.

I have the paid version of QuickVoice but I'm not particularly impressed
with it. It does enough for it it be occasionally useful to me.

> Wow. Had I known this, I would *never* have downloaded the app.
> It got 3 stars. For a scam app. If a scam app gets 3 stars,
> then that says a lot about the rating system alone.

An artificial size restriction on email attachements in the free version
is not a "scam" in my opinion. There are ways to get larger recordings
out of the free version of the app.

Those methods just happen to not work on Linux, since they require an
iTunes backup, which requires Mac or Windows.

I'd agree that it isn't a particularly well designed app, and it should
offer more ways to transfer data out of the app, such as the standard
iOS share mechanism, or import/export via the standard iTunes file
transfer mechanism (which wouldn't help you as you can't run iTunes on
Linux), or some form of network server connectivity.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[cb]

On 01/06/2014 14:02, Liam O'Connor wrote:
> Where does QuickVoice Recorder free, by nFinity Inc, store its audio files?
>
> I use QuickVoice Recorder free to record ambient sounds, it's a pain to
> to email each recording just to bring it to my PC (a mostly-Linux laptop).
>
> When I connect the iPad to Linux via USB, I can see the Documents directory
> of a score of programs, but, not QuickVoice Recorder:
> https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7376/13951855477_0999c88d84_b.jpg
>
> Am I to presume that QuickVoice Recorder stores its files in the dreaded
> (inaccessible to Linux) iPad media location?
>
Hi! The path to your recordings is:

/var/mobile/Applications/XXXX - Apple signature here - XXX/Documents/

You need a jailbroken device to find out the "XXX - Apple Signature here
- XXX". For example, mine is:
FE64F104-3921-4EC1-81F8-B7B89804DC60

Also be aware that this signature changes whenever you update the
related application.

The recordings themselves take the form: Timestamp_myrecording.caf

You may find jailbreakable devices (pre IOS 7.1) on e-Bay or on the
Darknet, e.g. "hackintosh" or "mac4coins".



> How can I tell for sure?

[cb]

On 02/06/2014 06:39, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article
> <65b65$538bf7d2$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
> O'Connor<liamo...@example.com> wrote:
>
>>> We don't care where the apps store their files; we let the OS
>>> take care of it.
>>
>> I understand. I think.
>>
>> But, what if I wanted to play or edit the QuickVoice audio files
>> on another application?

Hi! again.
Fission, for one, can edit recordings with the suffix .caf
HTH
>>
>> Staying totally on the iPad, can it be possible that you guys
>> *never* edit a file in another app than the one app that created
>> it?
>
> Some apps let you share their data with certain other apps. Frankly,
> I've never had the need to edit data from one app in another app on the
> iDevice. I do edit data in Numbers on both the iPad and on my
> computer, but that's about it; the data are automatically shared
> between the computer, the iPad, the iPhone and the web-based Numbers
> app.
>
>> Put another way, how does an iPad user, staying wholly on the
>> iPad, edit a file in another application if the iPad user can't
>> even find their own files?
>
> As I said, some apps let you share data with other apps.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 23:05:01 +1200, David Empson wrote:

>> If you delete QuickVoice, it will likely delete the files.
>
> That will delete them, because they are stored inside the app's
> container. Same as every other app on an iPad.

Thanks. After having slept on it, I know what to do now, but,
I do think deleting user files when an app is deleted is a
severely flawed use model.

Would you be upset if Microsoft Office deleted all your Word
documents just because you removed the Microsoft app from the
iPad?

> Not true. The free companion app can copy the recordings out of a backup
> made with iTunes, with either the free or paid versions of QuickVoice.
> You could also use free third party utilities to extract files out of an
> iTunes backup of the iPad in the same manner.

The reviews I posted prior said both that QuickVoice didn't
work with iTunes, and that the tools fron NFinity didn't work.

They might have been wrong, but, I can't trust anything that NFinity
says at this point.

> I have the paid version of QuickVoice but I'm not particularly impressed
> with it. It does enough for it it be occasionally useful to me.

Someone had mentioned a "built-in" app that does similar things.
What built-in app would that be (I don't see any)?

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 10:38:42 +0000, Lewis wrote:

> But in general, no, I don't edit files in another application.

I would expect any app that handles audio, pictures, or video,
to allow another app access to the file for cropping, editing,
or sharing.

To me, it's a severely flawed use model.

After having slept on it, QuickVoice will be history, forever.
I will never use a product from that company (NFinity) ever again.
They lied. Blatantly. And I'm not the only one who fell for it.

Having said that, my *only* concern now is to obtain the data
before I delete the product.

It's shocking to me that an app deletes all the user data when
the app is deleted. It's like it holds your data ransom.

For common file formats such as audio, pictures, and video,
that's a severely flawed use model which I've never seen in
Linux and/or Windows.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 10:36:26 +0000, Lewis wrote:

> It stores them in a sandboxed folder on the device.

Hi Lewis,
Thanks. I have found out the answers now.
It stores them locked in its own folders, and, apparently,
deletes them if you have the audacity to delete the app.

That's a flawed use model, I must say, and, it was something I
was wholly unaware of.

It *never* occurred to me that an app could lock "my" files
forever inside of it, holding them ransom so that I never
deleted the offending app!

> There is no need to know what the file hierarchy is. You pull the
> files out in iTunes (or add files in iTunes).

Except that this particular app doesn't work with iTunes.

> It's an "I don't want to use the supported tools for my iPad"
> question.

Even if I had iTunes, apparently QuickVoice doesn't work with
iTunes. Apparently they tell you they give you a companion app
to pull your files out of something they call an "iTunes backup",
but, there are two huge problems with that flawed use model

1. What's an iTunes backup? I have to learn how to do something
I have no intention nor desire to learn or do, just to get
an audio file out of the iPad? (For example, even NFinity
says it won't work for an encrypted backup, whatever that is.)

2. Some of the reviews said that, even with the special tool
to pull out the audio files from an iTunes backup, they
still couldn't get their files out.

To me, the HUGE amount of learning and effort I have to do
just to pull an audio file out of an audio recorder, even
if I was using Windows, is a blatant neon warning of a severely
flawed use model.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 13:59:31 +0200, cb wrote:

> The path to your recordings is:
> /var/mobile/Applications/XXXX - Apple signature here - XXX/Documents/

This is good to know, because if a jailbreak becomes available for iOS
7.1.1, I can then save my files! Thanks.

> You need a jailbroken device to find out the "XXX - Apple Signature here
> - XXX". For example, mine is:
> FE64F104-3921-4EC1-81F8-B7B89804DC60

Ah. That explains the funky directory names I see in one of the mounted
iPad directories when I'm on Linux. Unfortunately, since nobody yet can
jailbreak the iOS7.1.1 device, I'll have to wait for the jailbreak to
emerge.

Now I have just learned an important apple use model.
NEVER UPDATE the iOS until/unless a jailbreak exists!
Mea culpa.

(I'm learning how difficult this use model is, but more than that,
how insanely unintuitive it is at the same time.)

> Also be aware that this signature changes whenever you update the
> related application.

This is a good datapoint. Thanks. I think I've learned never to update
the iOS device, or, at the very least, to wait years before updating
because the update makes the iPad less useful. At least, it did in
this case.

Is there a way to roll back to an older iOS so that I can jailbreak
it so that I can access my audio files recorded on it?

> The recordings themselves take the form: Timestamp_myrecording.caf

I would have assumed they were MP3, so, thanks for letting me know
they are CAF. I saw your other post about tools that play CAF files,
and, I know that, once my audio files are safely on Linux, converting
them should not be a problem.

Thanks for the astute, well-researched reply.
This information helps a LOT!

Much appreciated.

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 23:05:01 +1200, David Empson wrote:

> That will delete them, because they are stored inside the app's
> container. Same as every other app on an iPad.

Whoa!
Are you saying that *all* the apps on the iPad delete user
content when/if you delete the app?

I can see how that use model is ok for something proprietary,
for example, a map app; but I can't see it as a usable use
model for an app such as a video, camera, or voice recorder
app.

Does Microsoft Word or Apple Pages delete all your documents
when you delete the app from the iPad?

[TJ]

On 06/02/2014 04:18 AM, Liam O'Connor wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 01:00:06 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> Do you get it yet?
>> iOS devices and apps are not designed with Linux in mind.
>
> The problem is far worse than trying to copy a Quick Voice
> Lite recorded audio file to Linux.
>
> Linux is child's play compared to trying to get a simple
> voice recording app on the iPad to simply allow you to
> save, edit, or share the recording with others.
>
> On Linux that would be child's play.
> On the iPad, with this touted QuickVoice Recorder Lite
> app, it's actually impossible!
>
> Yes, impossible!
>
> This Quick Voice Lite app should never have been in the
> App Store in the first place, mainly because the description
> is a bold lie.
>

I come to this thread late, and I know nothing of the iPad, but from
observing most things iPad from afar, the "Lite" part of the app's name
should have given you a clue.

The apparently-crippled "Lite" version is free, right? My guess would be
that it's a teaser version, designed to do just enough to get you to
shell out some cash for the full-featured version - the one that will do
what you want to do, but isn't free.

TJ

[Liam O'Connor]

On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:05:59 -0400, TJ wrote:

> I come to this thread late, and I know nothing of the iPad, but from
> observing most things iPad from afar, the "Lite" part of the app's name
> should have given you a clue.

I agree. The Lite part meant, in this particular case, that the
limitations were severe; however, if you read the reviews, you notice
that the description doesn't explain these severe flaws at all.

> The apparently-crippled "Lite" version is free, right?

Interestingly, it turns out that even the non-Lite version has
similar flaws. In fact, multiple reviews I found yesterday said
that the non-Lite version only allowed a partial reprieve from
the flaws.

> My guess would be that it's a teaser version, designed to do
> just enough to get you to shell out some cash for the full-featured
> version - the one that will do what you want to do, but isn't free.

I'm well aware of teaser software, and am fine with that; but this
software company (NFinity) blatantly left out the pertinent information
from the description.

It turns out that if you haven't actually been burned by the assumptions
anyone would make about a voice-recording software package, you'd
not even notice that the critical items are left out.

But, once you've been burned by Nfinity Quick Voice Recorder Lite,
you'll then realize:
a) The recordings can never be removed from the program,
b) The recordings will be deleted automatically by the program,
c) If you delete the program, it will still delete your recordings,
d) If you pay a few bucks, you get back only *some* of your recordings,
e) You can't use iTunes to back up the recordings,
f) You must use an additional NFinity app, which works off an iTunes backup
f) You can't make an iTunes backup on Linux, but, even if you could ...
g) Some reviewers said that even that software refused to pull out your
files from the iTunes backup.

So, in essence, this QuickVoice Recorder software is utter garbage.
Why Apple allows it in the App store is beyond me.

Anyway, I have my solution.
I will play the recordings, in real time, on the iPad, and
re-record them using the microphone on my Android phone.

Once the recordings are in Android, then all the flaws listed
above disappear!

[nospam]

In article
<26e30$538c1fdb$43da7656$24...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> Use the utility for the following:
> To copy your QuickVoice mobile device recordings to your computer.
> Use the utility to add select recordings of your choosing to your iTunes
> library for management there e.g. play QuickVoice recordings using iTunes,
> burn audio CDs, upload to your iPod, manage and archive, etc
>
>
> INSTRUCTIONS FOR COPYING RECORDINGS TO YOUR COMPUTER:
>
> Step 1
> Perform a Back Up of your device [iPhone/iPad/iPod] to iTunes on your
> computer (not the cloud). **Note: This is very important > Make sure you are
> NOT ENCRYPTING your Back Ups otherwise your audio recordings won't be
> playable on your computer.
>
> Step 2
> Launch the Sync Utility on your computer and simply click the [Import]
> button. The utility will extract your QuickVoice recordings from your iTunes
> backup and copy them to your newly created [Documents > QuickVoice] folder.
> You can play back the QuickVoice recordings on your computer using QuickTime.

in other words, itunes backs up the recordings and all their utility
does is extract it from the backup.

lame.

the good news is that what their utility can do is very easy to do in
linux. the bad news is you still need itunes to do the backup.

[nospam]

In article
<90f91$538c2153$43da7656$24...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> Lesson learned. Never trust this company. How does this
> scam software get into the Apple store in the first place?

on one hand you're bitching about the restrictions of the ipad and the
lack of wifi scanners and other apps, while on the other hand you want
apple to be more restrictive in what apps they approve?

can't have it both ways.

[nospam]

In article
<60ac8$538c24b5$43da7656$24...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > anything in its sandbox is deleted. having files left over defeats the
> > point of sandboxing.
>
> Thanks for confirming.
>
> It would be too easy to leave the user their files like every other
> program does on every other platform does.

as i said, that would defeat the point of sandboxing and also force the
user to deal with the complexities and limitations of the file system.

> For example, on Windows, if I delete, say, the Audacity audio editor,
> it doesn't then go and delete all my audio files.

windows isn't sandboxed.

on mac/windows/linux, any app can access any other app's files and
steal data or inject malware or many other things.

on the ipad, apps can only access their own data. they *can't* screw
around with other apps, which is a huge security feature.

personal data, such as the address book or photos or even gps location
of the device requires the user to confirm access (a one-time thing).

in fact, apple was criticized for apps being able to upload user data
witout the user knowing, which a few apps took advantage of that and
stole data.

> Neither would, say, Handbrake on Linux go and maliciously delete all
> the user content, just because the user deleted the program.

nothing malicious about it.

> But, I guess, on the iPad, it just deletes.
>
> As I slowly become accustomed to the Apple way, I'll even hazard a
> guess that it won't even warn the user that they're about to lose
> *all* their hard-earned data, even though all they want to do is
> delete the malware program itself.

it's not the apple way, it's how sandboxing works.

it does warn that the data will be deleted along with the app but most
apps offer a way to export the data. some apps might not but that's the
fault of the app developer, not apple.

[nospam]

In article
<c4477$538c2571$43da7656$24...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:43 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
> > it's free. you're out a total of $0.00.
>
> And, you're out every single one of your data files.

no you're not.

> That's the definition of malware.

no it isn't.

> How this malware got into the Apple store is beyond me.

it's not malware.

> You can't even transfer the files via iTunes, according
> to this article:
>
> http://download.cnet.com/QuickVoice-Recorder-for-iPhone/3000-2141_4-10875097.h
> tml

they're referring to itunes file sharing, which is a dumb omission.

instead, the app uses itunes to back up the files which are later
pulled from the backup. that's an odd way to do it but it's what it is.

[nospam]

In article
<21df5$538c273e$43da7656$24...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > jailbreaking does add some functionality not otherwise available but
> > it's certainly not required for the ipad to be useful.
>
> That's only true if you don't want to save, edit, or share your
> files with yourself, or with someone else.

files are automatically saved.

whether an app edits and/or shares is up to the app.

if you want to edit audio, pick an app that does that. problem solved.

[nospam]

In article
<afc67$538c2787$43da7656$24...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > actually it's a very good use model.
>
> You can't possibly be saying that with a straight face.

yes i am.

unlike you, i and millions of others use the device in the way it was
intended and aren't continually running into brick walls.

i've used a few recording apps and itunes synced the recordings, with
no effort on my part. it just works.

you're going *well* out of your way to make things as difficult and
convoluted as possible and running into all sorts of problems that
other people simply do not encounter.

[nospam]

In article
<92fd5$538c295e$43da7656$24...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > sync it with mac/windows, using their sync app.
>
> I haven't loaded their sync software, but, why on earth it
> doesn't sync with iTunes yet it requires iTunes to sync
> makes absolutely no sense to me.
>
> Does that use model make sense to you?

to an extent. itunes automatically backs up data of all of the apps so
they just let it do that and grab the data from the backup.

it would be easier if they set the file sharing key and then the user
could drag the files into and out of the sandbox but they didn't.

[nospam]

In article
<2f915$538c2b77$43da7656$24...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > bullshit. linux does not 'just work'. far from it.
>
> Trust me. I never thought Linux was easy, until I tried to
> get the iPad to do something simple.

what you're doing is very simple if you didn't try to do it in the most
complex way possible.

> Like edit, save, and share a recorded audio file.
>
> People told me in this thread
> a) It can't be done

not the way you're doing it.

> b) What do you want for a free app?

many free apps are just demos for the paid version.

> c) Jailbreak the iPad (which can't be jailbroken)

that will get you access to the entire file system but it probably
won't help you do things the way you want to do.

> d) Download *more* software from NFinity! <== which reviews say doesn't work

it works.

> e) Oh, and, by the way, it's *easy*

it is if you use it the way it was designed to work.

> I am going to have to call you on the bulldunk meter on this one.
>
> This particular app, and this particular use model, is a horrific
> affront to the user (and you know that).

the app might suck (i haven't tried it) but there are many, many other
apps.

> Linux, by comparison, is child's play.

no it isn't.

[nospam]

In article
<76c39$538c2bb4$43da7656$24...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > you apparently picked an app with a number of limitations.
>
> I had to smile when I read that.
>
> Yeah. Like nothing you create with this app on the iPad
> can be saved, edited, nor shared.
>
> But, other than that....

it saves automatically and sharing is possible.

[nospam]

In article
<c4e2e$538c2c9a$43da7656$24...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > no, it's sad for you because you stubbornly refuse to use the product
> > the way it was designed to be used.
>
> Let's face it.
>
> This product is DESIGNED to be a scam.
>
> It *is* a scam.
>
> I fell for the scam.
>
> There is no other way to *use* the product.
>
> It records your files, but you can *never* save (because it eventually
> deletes them),

they are saved.

they are only deleted if you delete the app, as is the case with any
app.

> edit (because they're locked inside the program forever),

you can't edit because the app doesn't offer that feature.

> nor share them (because many reviews say iTunes won't work with it and
> their sync software doesn't work either).

it works.

> Those who said to simply jailbreak the iPad didn't realize I'm on
> 7.1.1. which isn't jailbreakable (afaik).
>
> So, I'm left with one final option, which is to go back to the stone
> age and play the audio on the iPad and record it with my Android
> phone next to the iPad.
>
> That *will* work. But, you can't possibly be saying that I'm
> not using the product the way it was designed simply because
> the product is a scam from the start that never should have been
> in the App store.
>
> I would think Apple would vet this stuff and remove it.

it's not doing anything that's prohibited.

> Is there a way to complain directly to Apple about malware in
> their App store?

you can but they're only going to laugh at you.

it's not malware.

[nospam]

In article
<eaa83$538c3475$43da7656$25...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > You are trying to do stuff on incompatible and unsupported systems.
>
> How can you say that when all I'm trying to do is save or edit
> a file of my kid singing, and share that file with my wife,
> who, also happens to be, on an iPad.
>
> That simplest of all file sharing (which works just fine on all
> other plaforms, including Linux) has been proven in this thread
> to be impossible with this software on these iOS7.1.1 iPads.

those systems aren't sandboxed.

> Even rooting/jailbreaking the iPad won't solve this problem.
> Even iTunes on Windows/Mac won't work with this software.
> Even the "special" software from the app supplier won't work
> (according to the reviews).

it works.

> Worse yet, the iPad doesn't come with anything better built in.

what's built in works just fine and syncs just fine.

> My *only* solution is to play the HOURS of audio, real time,
> and then record them on my Android phone, so that I finally
> *can* simply save, edit, and share the MP3 files.
>
> Wow. The iPad use model sure *is* crazy!

it's not the ipad that's crazy.

[nospam]

In article
<d31a3$538c34fb$43da7656$25...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > Then buy yourself a decent recorder.
>
> Why isn't the iPad a decent audio recorder?

the ipad is a tablet computer.

how decent a particular recording app is or any other app depends on
the app developer. some are very good and some are not.

> Is that so difficult a thing for the iPad to perform out of the box?

it actually does that quite well out of the box.

you're trying to do things the hard way.

[nospam]

In article
<7ea65$538c8715$43da7656$27...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > It's an "I don't want to use the supported tools for my iPad"
> > question.
>
> Even if I had iTunes, apparently QuickVoice doesn't work with
> iTunes. Apparently they tell you they give you a companion app
> to pull your files out of something they call an "iTunes backup",
> but, there are two huge problems with that flawed use model
>
> 1. What's an iTunes backup? I have to learn how to do something
> I have no intention nor desire to learn or do, just to get
> an audio file out of the iPad? (For example, even NFinity
> says it won't work for an encrypted backup, whatever that is.)

it's what itunes automatically does when you sync.

all their sync app does is pull the files out of the backup.

it's a rather dumb way to do it but not all apps are well designed.

> 2. Some of the reviews said that, even with the special tool
> to pull out the audio files from an iTunes backup, they
> still couldn't get their files out.

then they're inept.

[nospam]

In article
<ec557$538c88cd$43da7656$27...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> > The path to your recordings is:
> > /var/mobile/Applications/XXXX - Apple signature here - XXX/Documents/
>
> This is good to know, because if a jailbreak becomes available for iOS
> 7.1.1, I can then save my files! Thanks.

you can save them without jailbreaking.

> > You need a jailbroken device to find out the "XXX - Apple Signature here
> > - XXX". For example, mine is:
> > FE64F104-3921-4EC1-81F8-B7B89804DC60
>
> Ah. That explains the funky directory names I see in one of the mounted
> iPad directories when I'm on Linux. Unfortunately, since nobody yet can
> jailbreak the iOS7.1.1 device, I'll have to wait for the jailbreak to
> emerge.

it's a uuid, not a signature, which guarantees that there are no name
collisions.

> Now I have just learned an important apple use model.
> NEVER UPDATE the iOS until/unless a jailbreak exists!
> Mea culpa.

that only matters if you jailbreak.

> (I'm learning how difficult this use model is, but more than that,
> how insanely unintuitive it is at the same time.)

it's only unintuitive because you're using it well out of it's design
envelope.

if you used it the way it was designed to be used, it's *very*
intuitive. in fact, it 'just works.'

> > Also be aware that this signature changes whenever you update the
> > related application.
>
> This is a good datapoint. Thanks. I think I've learned never to update
> the iOS device, or, at the very least, to wait years before updating
> because the update makes the iPad less useful. At least, it did in
> this case.
>
> Is there a way to roll back to an older iOS so that I can jailbreak
> it so that I can access my audio files recorded on it?

no.

[nospam]

In article
<54c72$538c8979$43da7656$27...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam

O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 23:05:01 +1200, David Empson wrote:
>
> > That will delete them, because they are stored inside the app's
> > container. Same as every other app on an iPad.
>
> Whoa!
> Are you saying that *all* the apps on the iPad delete user
> content when/if you delete the app?

it's called sandboxing.

> I can see how that use model is ok for something proprietary,
> for example, a map app; but I can't see it as a usable use
> model for an app such as a video, camera, or voice recorder
> app.

the video/camera apps can store in the camera roll, which won't be
deleted when the app is deleted.

> Does Microsoft Word or Apple Pages delete all your documents
> when you delete the app from the iPad?

yes but the documents can be synced to the cloud or exported in other
ways.

there is no data loss without the user requesting it.

[Michelle Steiner]

In article
<7c715$538c125c$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> Of course, I have no desire to root an iPad. I thought the iPad was
> supposed to be *easy* to use. Not impossible to use without rooting.

It is easy to use. You are trying to use it for things it's not
designed to do. You are also trying to use an app to do something it's
not designed to do.

[Michelle Steiner]

In article
<269b8$538c1356$43da7656$23...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:

> Linux is so easy to use that it just works. Specifically, if I
> use a voice recorder on Linux, it simply saves the files.
>
> Any other program can access those files.

Including malware and spyware.

> If they're in the wrong format, I can easily change the format.

You can do that with the iPad, with apps that have that feature.

> If I want to edit the files, I just edit them.

You can do that with the iPad, with apps that let you do that.

> If I want to share the files, I just share them.

You can do that with the iPad. My iWorks files can be shared with any
Mac or iOS device, or with any other OS providing it has a compatible
browser.

For instance, you can access my spreadsheet for my ACBL master point
holdings at
<https://www.icloud.com/iw/#numbers/BAJKnRcK1gn5K9l3OaCBeOPGsZE7jUEy_2GF
/Masterpoints>

I have the sheet set to view only, but if I had not done that, you
would be able to edit it.

> Linux just works that way.

> The iPad doesn't.
> Unless I root it.
>
> Which, is what I'm going to have to do, just to save, edit,
> and share my files. This is sad for the iPad.

That's only because the iPad is not designed to work with linux.