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Salmon Egg
Oct 6, 2012, 12:21:10 AM10/6/12
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In article <michelle-55A694...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> I think that's the most important idea that Steve Jobs left with Apple; I
> hope the company doesn't forget it.
>
> Steve passed away one year ago today, and Apple has a memorial to him at
> their home page; check it out.
>
> <http://www.apple.com>
Another thing Steve left at Apple is an almost great (so-called)
aluminum keyboard. I just tried an old Apple keyboard. I made fewer
errors but the keystroke was much longer. Apple makes a sufficient
number of keyboards so that it would be economic to make one that works
for people like me. All Apple has to do is replace the slightly rounded
square key caps with smaller round key caps like those on old
typewriters. They should have concave top surfaces. The aluminum plate
holes for these keys should match the shape of the keys.
This will give a much better tactile feedback and fewer typos because
catching a g to get tghe would not happen as often. Even though my eyes
are poor enough that I seldom read the key caps, when I look at the keys
I hit the centers rather the edges.
Why should arty-farty win out over utility?
--
Sam
Conservatives are against Darwinism but for natural selection.
Liberals are for Darwinism but totally against any selection.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> I think that's the most important idea that Steve Jobs left with Apple; I
> hope the company doesn't forget it.
>
> Steve passed away one year ago today, and Apple has a memorial to him at
> their home page; check it out.
>
> <http://www.apple.com>
Another thing Steve left at Apple is an almost great (so-called)
aluminum keyboard. I just tried an old Apple keyboard. I made fewer
errors but the keystroke was much longer. Apple makes a sufficient
number of keyboards so that it would be economic to make one that works
for people like me. All Apple has to do is replace the slightly rounded
square key caps with smaller round key caps like those on old
typewriters. They should have concave top surfaces. The aluminum plate
holes for these keys should match the shape of the keys.
This will give a much better tactile feedback and fewer typos because
catching a g to get tghe would not happen as often. Even though my eyes
are poor enough that I seldom read the key caps, when I look at the keys
I hit the centers rather the edges.
Why should arty-farty win out over utility?
--
Sam
Conservatives are against Darwinism but for natural selection.
Liberals are for Darwinism but totally against any selection.
Barry OGrady
Oct 6, 2012, 12:26:21 AM10/6/12
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 21:21:10 -0700, Salmon Egg
<Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>In article <michelle-55A694...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> I think that's the most important idea that Steve Jobs left with Apple; I
>> hope the company doesn't forget it.
>>
>> Steve passed away one year ago today, and Apple has a memorial to him at
>> their home page; check it out.
>>
>> <http://www.apple.com>
>
>Another thing Steve left at Apple is an almost great (so-called)
>aluminum keyboard. I just tried an old Apple keyboard. I made fewer
>errors but the keystroke was much longer. Apple makes a sufficient
>number of keyboards so that it would be economic to make one that works
>for people like me. All Apple has to do is replace the slightly rounded
>square key caps with smaller round key caps like those on old
>typewriters. They should have concave top surfaces. The aluminum plate
>holes for these keys should match the shape of the keys.
>
>This will give a much better tactile feedback and fewer typos because
>catching a g to get tghe would not happen as often. Even though my eyes
>are poor enough that I seldom read the key caps, when I look at the keys
>I hit the centers rather the edges.
>
>Why should arty-farty win out over utility?
A vintage typewriter style keyboard would be pretty arty too.
<Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>In article <michelle-55A694...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> I think that's the most important idea that Steve Jobs left with Apple; I
>> hope the company doesn't forget it.
>>
>> Steve passed away one year ago today, and Apple has a memorial to him at
>> their home page; check it out.
>>
>> <http://www.apple.com>
>
>Another thing Steve left at Apple is an almost great (so-called)
>aluminum keyboard. I just tried an old Apple keyboard. I made fewer
>errors but the keystroke was much longer. Apple makes a sufficient
>number of keyboards so that it would be economic to make one that works
>for people like me. All Apple has to do is replace the slightly rounded
>square key caps with smaller round key caps like those on old
>typewriters. They should have concave top surfaces. The aluminum plate
>holes for these keys should match the shape of the keys.
>
>This will give a much better tactile feedback and fewer typos because
>catching a g to get tghe would not happen as often. Even though my eyes
>are poor enough that I seldom read the key caps, when I look at the keys
>I hit the centers rather the edges.
>
>Why should arty-farty win out over utility?
>--
>
>Sam
nospam
Oct 6, 2012, 12:35:29 AM10/6/12
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zulu
Oct 6, 2012, 6:54:33 AM10/6/12
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"Salmon Egg" <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:SalmonEgg-6AD5A...@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <michelle-55A694...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> I think that's the most important idea that Steve Jobs left with Apple; I
>> hope the company doesn't forget it.
>>
>> Steve passed away one year ago today, and Apple has a memorial to him at
>> their home page; check it out.
>>
>> <http://www.apple.com>
>
> Another thing Steve left at Apple is an almost great (so-called)
> aluminum keyboard. I just tried an old Apple keyboard. I made fewer
> errors but the keystroke was much longer. Apple makes a sufficient
> number of keyboards so that it would be economic to make one that works
> for people like me. All Apple has to do is replace the slightly rounded
> square key caps with smaller round key caps like those on old
> typewriters. They should have concave top surfaces. The aluminum plate
> holes for these keys should match the shape of the keys.
>
> This will give a much better tactile feedback and fewer typos because
> catching a g to get tghe would not happen as often. Even though my eyes
> are poor enough that I seldom read the key caps, when I look at the keys
> I hit the centers rather the edges.
>
> Why should arty-farty win out over utility?
It's the Apple way, unfortunately.
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> I think that's the most important idea that Steve Jobs left with Apple; I
>> hope the company doesn't forget it.
>>
>> Steve passed away one year ago today, and Apple has a memorial to him at
>> their home page; check it out.
>>
>> <http://www.apple.com>
>
> Another thing Steve left at Apple is an almost great (so-called)
> aluminum keyboard. I just tried an old Apple keyboard. I made fewer
> errors but the keystroke was much longer. Apple makes a sufficient
> number of keyboards so that it would be economic to make one that works
> for people like me. All Apple has to do is replace the slightly rounded
> square key caps with smaller round key caps like those on old
> typewriters. They should have concave top surfaces. The aluminum plate
> holes for these keys should match the shape of the keys.
>
> This will give a much better tactile feedback and fewer typos because
> catching a g to get tghe would not happen as often. Even though my eyes
> are poor enough that I seldom read the key caps, when I look at the keys
> I hit the centers rather the edges.
>
> Why should arty-farty win out over utility?
They must all have 20/20 vision.
Try a *Visikey* keyboard.
Not quite what you want, but good to type on.
(If only the iPad keyboard looked like one of these!)
--
zulu
erilar
Oct 6, 2012, 12:06:07 PM10/6/12
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In article <SalmonEgg-6AD5A...@news60.forteinc.com>,
I remember far fewer errors than I make on my Bluetooth keyboard, on
which I am more accurate than on the laptop itself, because the keys on
the former are more separate--though still pretty square. The separate
keyboard I have for the iPad is smaller and my error rate increases. As
for the iPad itself, I can't type normally on it anyway, but that's
because of the touch screen, which I love for other reasons entirely,
but NOT for typing ease.
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Another thing Steve left at Apple is an almost great (so-called)
> aluminum keyboard. I just tried an old Apple keyboard. I made fewer
> errors but the keystroke was much longer. Apple makes a sufficient
> number of keyboards so that it would be economic to make one that works
> for people like me. All Apple has to do is replace the slightly rounded
> square key caps with smaller round key caps like those on old
> typewriters. They should have concave top surfaces. The aluminum plate
> holes for these keys should match the shape of the keys.
YES!
> Another thing Steve left at Apple is an almost great (so-called)
> aluminum keyboard. I just tried an old Apple keyboard. I made fewer
> errors but the keystroke was much longer. Apple makes a sufficient
> number of keyboards so that it would be economic to make one that works
> for people like me. All Apple has to do is replace the slightly rounded
> square key caps with smaller round key caps like those on old
> typewriters. They should have concave top surfaces. The aluminum plate
> holes for these keys should match the shape of the keys.
>
> This will give a much better tactile feedback and fewer typos because
> catching a g to get tghe would not happen as often. Even though my eyes
> are poor enough that I seldom read the key caps, when I look at the keys
> I hit the centers rather the edges.
My eyesight is not a problem, but as I think back to actual typewriters,
> This will give a much better tactile feedback and fewer typos because
> catching a g to get tghe would not happen as often. Even though my eyes
> are poor enough that I seldom read the key caps, when I look at the keys
> I hit the centers rather the edges.
I remember far fewer errors than I make on my Bluetooth keyboard, on
which I am more accurate than on the laptop itself, because the keys on
the former are more separate--though still pretty square. The separate
keyboard I have for the iPad is smaller and my error rate increases. As
for the iPad itself, I can't type normally on it anyway, but that's
because of the touch screen, which I love for other reasons entirely,
but NOT for typing ease.
>
> Why should arty-farty win out over utility?
>
> --
--
> Why should arty-farty win out over utility?
>
> --
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
erilar
Oct 6, 2012, 12:10:10 PM10/6/12
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In article <061020120035295862%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
Wow! Two of those look a lot like the first two typewriters I owned! My
first was an ancient L C Smith & Bros I had to really pound. My second
a Smith-Corona that looks a lot like the middle one on that page
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
first was an ancient L C Smith & Bros I had to really pound. My second
a Smith-Corona that looks a lot like the middle one on that page
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Alan Browne
Oct 6, 2012, 12:15:50 PM10/6/12
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On 2012.10.06 00:21 , Salmon Egg wrote:
> Another thing Steve left at Apple is an almost great (so-called)
> aluminum keyboard. I just tried an old Apple keyboard. I made fewer
When I bought this iMac the biggest letdown was the shitless keyboard.
> Another thing Steve left at Apple is an almost great (so-called)
> aluminum keyboard. I just tried an old Apple keyboard. I made fewer
Can't even give it away. It's now the TV room keyboard for the Boxee -
something it can't be too useless at (entering searches or website data).
> Why should arty-farty win out over utility?
something does not work great.
--
"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald
Alan Browne
Oct 6, 2012, 12:19:13 PM10/6/12
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On 2012.10.06 06:54 , zulu wrote:
> Try a *Visikey* keyboard.
> Not quite what you want, but good to type on.
> (If only the iPad keyboard looked like one of these!)
I'll be needing one of those eventually...
> Try a *Visikey* keyboard.
> Not quite what you want, but good to type on.
> (If only the iPad keyboard looked like one of these!)
A really good keyboard (for touch typing) is the keyboard that comes
with hp dektops.
The sole hp product that I would endorse. It's a nice slim device, and
the keys feel great.
Todd Allcock
Oct 6, 2012, 1:40:04 PM10/6/12
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At 06 Oct 2012 12:19:13 -0400 Alan Browne wrote:
> A really good keyboard (for touch typing) is the keyboard that comes
> with hp dektops.
>
> The sole hp product that I would endorse. It's a nice slim device, and
> the keys feel great.
I bought my last HP desktop computer eight years ago. I still use its
> A really good keyboard (for touch typing) is the keyboard that comes
> with hp dektops.
>
> The sole hp product that I would endorse. It's a nice slim device, and
> the keys feel great.
keyboard on my current PC. The only other HP product I currently use is
an OfficeJet AIO inkjet printer. It sucks, but all inkjet printers suck.
The HP sucks just a little less than comparable Epsons and Canons.
Alan Browne
Oct 6, 2012, 2:03:36 PM10/6/12
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(I use 3rd party inks in it). And an Epson 3800 that is outstanding -
but then for its price it bloody well better be! (Pro photo printer
using pigment inks - a load of ink is over $600)
nospam
Oct 6, 2012, 2:41:28 PM10/6/12
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In article <k4prc1$rgu$2...@dont-email.me>, Todd Allcock
ink costs are low. it also does double-sided printing and scanning.
> The HP sucks just a little less than comparable Epsons and Canons.
depends on what you want to print. epson is *much* better for photos,
for example.
<elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> The only other HP product I currently use is
> an OfficeJet AIO inkjet printer. It sucks, but all inkjet printers suck.
i have an epson workforce aio inkjet and it rocks. it's *very* fast and
> The only other HP product I currently use is
> an OfficeJet AIO inkjet printer. It sucks, but all inkjet printers suck.
ink costs are low. it also does double-sided printing and scanning.
> The HP sucks just a little less than comparable Epsons and Canons.
for example.
Erilar
Oct 6, 2012, 3:09:25 PM10/6/12
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over a decade. The new Artisan is good for that, too, though the ink is
more expensive now. I miss being able to print on odd sizes of paper and
envelopes by adjusting a slider, though. All the fancy pre-sets are
limiting 8-(
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
Todd Allcock
Oct 6, 2012, 3:25:13 PM10/6/12
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At 06 Oct 2012 14:03:36 -0400 Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2012.10.06 13:40 , Todd Allcock wrote:
> > At 06 Oct 2012 12:19:13 -0400 Alan Browne wrote:
> >
> >> A really good keyboard (for touch typing) is the keyboard that comes
> >> with hp dektops.
> >>
> >> The sole hp product that I would endorse. It's a nice slim device,
and
> >> the keys feel great.
> >
> >
> > I bought my last HP desktop computer eight years ago. I still use its
> > keyboard on my current PC. The only other HP product I currently use
is
> > an OfficeJet AIO inkjet printer. It sucks, but all inkjet printers
suck.
> > The HP sucks just a little less than comparable Epsons and Canons.
>
> I have a Canon inkjet for light document printing and it is quite good
> (I use 3rd party inks in it). And an Epson 3800 that is outstanding -
> but then for its price it bloody well better be! (Pro photo printer
> using pigment inks - a load of ink is over $600)
90% percent of our printing its the kids for school. I used to do photo
> On 2012.10.06 13:40 , Todd Allcock wrote:
> > At 06 Oct 2012 12:19:13 -0400 Alan Browne wrote:
> >
> >> A really good keyboard (for touch typing) is the keyboard that comes
> >> with hp dektops.
> >>
> >> The sole hp product that I would endorse. It's a nice slim device,
and
> >> the keys feel great.
> >
> >
> > I bought my last HP desktop computer eight years ago. I still use its
> > keyboard on my current PC. The only other HP product I currently use
is
> > an OfficeJet AIO inkjet printer. It sucks, but all inkjet printers
suck.
> > The HP sucks just a little less than comparable Epsons and Canons.
>
> I have a Canon inkjet for light document printing and it is quite good
> (I use 3rd party inks in it). And an Epson 3800 that is outstanding -
> but then for its price it bloody well better be! (Pro photo printer
> using pigment inks - a load of ink is over $600)
printing, but between the cost of ink, paper, and the cost of a decent
photo printer, it's easier and cheaper to let others do it for me.
I always liked Canons, but I had a losing streak with them where two or
three in a row burned through print heads almost as fast as ink. My last
two Epsons "leaked" ink (not actually leaked it, ink levels just slowly
dropped during periods of non-use) and they would always clog requiring
ink-eating "cleanings" if they sat unused for more than a couple of days
(which our printer often does!)
The HP has its own issues, but it's pretty frugal with ink, quality is ok
(photos aren't very good, but as I mentioned, I gave up that vice- it's
ok for "brochure" quality photos, just not prints), and it doesn't mind
the two usage extremes- I can go a month without printing anything
without a problem, or throw a 200-page print job at it.
The only real complaint I have with it is that it forgets it's connected
to my WiFi network every two or three days and has to be power-cycled to
reconnect. (Which almost defeats the point of wirelss printing if I have
to run over to the printer to reboot it each time!) I'd say it's
defective, except my prior HP printer did the exact same thing. My only
other nit is that the printer driver is almost the size of an iTunes
movie!
Alan Browne
Oct 6, 2012, 6:40:15 PM10/6/12
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On 2012.10.06 15:25 , Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 06 Oct 2012 14:03:36 -0400 Alan Browne wrote:
>> I have a Canon inkjet for light document printing and it is quite good
>> (I use 3rd party inks in it). And an Epson 3800 that is outstanding -
>> but then for its price it bloody well better be! (Pro photo printer
>> using pigment inks - a load of ink is over $600)
>
> 90% percent of our printing its the kids for school. I used to do photo
> printing, but between the cost of ink, paper, and the cost of a decent
> photo printer, it's easier and cheaper to let others do it for me.
The Epson 3800 works out to 1 cent per square inch. The ink carts are
> At 06 Oct 2012 14:03:36 -0400 Alan Browne wrote:
>> I have a Canon inkjet for light document printing and it is quite good
>> (I use 3rd party inks in it). And an Epson 3800 that is outstanding -
>> but then for its price it bloody well better be! (Pro photo printer
>> using pigment inks - a load of ink is over $600)
>
> 90% percent of our printing its the kids for school. I used to do photo
> printing, but between the cost of ink, paper, and the cost of a decent
> photo printer, it's easier and cheaper to let others do it for me.
80ml but only cost 2x what a 15ml cart for a low end printer costs.
(There are 9 carts). On good quality photo paper the results are stunning.
> I always liked Canons, but I had a losing streak with them where two or
> three in a row burned through print heads almost as fast as ink. My last
> two Epsons "leaked" ink (not actually leaked it, ink levels just slowly
> dropped during periods of non-use) and they would always clog requiring
> ink-eating "cleanings" if they sat unused for more than a couple of days
> (which our printer often does!)
a new flatbed scanner and ink for the Epson was harder and harder to
find. So I bought an all in one and gave the (low end) Epson to the
kids across the street.
> The HP has its own issues, but it's pretty frugal with ink, quality is ok
> (photos aren't very good, but as I mentioned, I gave up that vice- it's
> ok for "brochure" quality photos, just not prints), and it doesn't mind
> the two usage extremes- I can go a month without printing anything
> without a problem, or throw a 200-page print job at it.
> The only real complaint I have with it is that it forgets it's connected
> to my WiFi network every two or three days and has to be power-cycled to
> reconnect. (Which almost defeats the point of wirelss printing if I have
> to run over to the printer to reboot it each time!) I'd say it's
> defective, except my prior HP printer did the exact same thing. My only
> other nit is that the printer driver is almost the size of an iTunes
> movie!
fine. If I test my SO's WiFi to router to my Mac to the printer it
works fine.
If my SO wants to print something it craps out almost every time.
Bread
Oct 6, 2012, 7:39:41 PM10/6/12
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On 2012-10-06 16:15:50 +0000, Alan Browne said:
> On 2012.10.06 00:21 , Salmon Egg wrote:
>
>> Another thing Steve left at Apple is an almost great (so-called)
>> aluminum keyboard. I just tried an old Apple keyboard. I made fewer
>
> When I bought this iMac the biggest letdown was the shitless keyboard.
>
> Can't even give it away. It's now the TV room keyboard for the Boxee -
> something it can't be too useless at (entering searches or website
> data).
If you mean the current slim low-profile aluminum keyboards, I have to
> On 2012.10.06 00:21 , Salmon Egg wrote:
>
>> Another thing Steve left at Apple is an almost great (so-called)
>> aluminum keyboard. I just tried an old Apple keyboard. I made fewer
>
> When I bought this iMac the biggest letdown was the shitless keyboard.
>
> Can't even give it away. It's now the TV room keyboard for the Boxee -
> something it can't be too useless at (entering searches or website
> data).
strongly disagree.
I hated them when Apple first came out with them. I loved my Matias
and had hated several previous Apple keyboards and just assumed that
the aluminum one was going to be even worse, with those chiclet-looking
keys.
I was completely wrong.
I was in an Apple store and actually tried to use one seriously - not
for two seconds, but to type, really type something.
I proceeded to buy two of them, one to plug into my laptop and one to
plug into my ancient iMac. I put the Matias away and haven't used it
since.
We did get the bluetooth version for another newer machine, and I think
that was a mistake, not because of the keys or keyboard, but because I
really prefer an extended keyboard and the USB cord doesn't bother me
in the slightest, to the bluetooth is just silly. (I suppose it might
be nice if one were using it from the sofa talking to a machine across
the room plugged into a large screen or projector, but on the desk, the
bluetooth thing just seems goofy to me).
>
>> Why should arty-farty win out over utility?
>
> Because it's Apple - made to look great and work great. Except when
> something does not work great.
great? It may be a matter of personal preference, but my personal
experience and that of almost everyone else I've talked to about this
agree that the aluminum keyboards are actually pretty great.
In particular, I find the low profile to be absolutely invaluable. And
the key press feedback is good enough. It's no Matias, but at this
point, I actually prefer the quiet to the strong clickity-click.
Anyway, at best, you can say "works great" with regard to these is a
matter of taste, and most people seem to like them a lot. I was
really, absolutely surprised that I liked it at all.
This is not like the hideous and horrible hockey-puck mouse which was
pretty universally hated. (Though, in my opinion, Apple hasn't made a
decent mouse, well, almost ever. Again, though, that's mostly a
personal taste issue.)
Wes Groleau
Oct 6, 2012, 8:11:16 PM10/6/12
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On 10-06-2012 00:26, Barry OGrady wrote:
> A vintage typewriter style keyboard would be pretty arty too.
http://www.datamancer.com/cart/
> A vintage typewriter style keyboard would be pretty arty too.
http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml
--
Wes Groleau
Measure with a micrometer, mark with chalk, and cut with an axe.
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Davoud
Oct 6, 2012, 10:51:55 PM10/6/12
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Barry OGrady:
> http://www.datamancer.com/cart/
>
> http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml
What an amazing coincidence. I had just been thinking to myself, "Self,
you need to buy a $750 keyboard." Or "Self, you need to get yourself up
to Canada before winter sets in, mine yourself some bauxite and a few
other ores, buy a foundry and machine shop, smelt a handsome aluminum
alloy, go to school to learn casting and machining, and get off your
lazy arse and build your own keyboard."
Right.
--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
> > A vintage typewriter style keyboard would be pretty arty too.
Wes Groleau:
> http://www.datamancer.com/cart/
>
> http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml
What an amazing coincidence. I had just been thinking to myself, "Self,
you need to buy a $750 keyboard." Or "Self, you need to get yourself up
to Canada before winter sets in, mine yourself some bauxite and a few
other ores, buy a foundry and machine shop, smelt a handsome aluminum
alloy, go to school to learn casting and machining, and get off your
lazy arse and build your own keyboard."
Right.
--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
Steve Fenwick
Oct 6, 2012, 11:24:17 PM10/6/12
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In article <061020122251552608%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
wrote:
> Barry OGrady:
> > > A vintage typewriter style keyboard would be pretty arty too.
>
> Wes Groleau:
> > http://www.datamancer.com/cart/
> >
> > http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml
>
> What an amazing coincidence. I had just been thinking to myself, "Self,
> you need to buy a $750 keyboard." Or "Self, you need to get yourself up
> to Canada before winter sets in, mine yourself some bauxite and a few
> other ores, buy a foundry and machine shop, smelt a handsome aluminum
> alloy, go to school to learn casting and machining, and get off your
> lazy arse and build your own keyboard."
>
> Right.
Optimus Maximus is either sold out or never shipped, but try this one:
<http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/popularis/>
Steve
--
steve <at> w0x0f <dot> com
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, sidecar in the other, body thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"
wrote:
> Barry OGrady:
> > > A vintage typewriter style keyboard would be pretty arty too.
>
> Wes Groleau:
> > http://www.datamancer.com/cart/
> >
> > http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml
>
> What an amazing coincidence. I had just been thinking to myself, "Self,
> you need to buy a $750 keyboard." Or "Self, you need to get yourself up
> to Canada before winter sets in, mine yourself some bauxite and a few
> other ores, buy a foundry and machine shop, smelt a handsome aluminum
> alloy, go to school to learn casting and machining, and get off your
> lazy arse and build your own keyboard."
>
> Right.
<http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/popularis/>
Steve
--
steve <at> w0x0f <dot> com
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, sidecar in the other, body thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"
Salmon Egg
Oct 7, 2012, 3:04:05 AM10/7/12
to
In article <061020120035295862%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
a curio. I am not a Luddite. I am too old to deal with curios just for
show. I want to type accurately. I embrace the engineering of the
"aluminum" keyboard. Designing a keyboard to accept old typewriter sized
key caps requires no new technology. All that needs to be done is to
mold new key caps and punch out a new aluminum panel with differently
shaped holes on the same centers.
If you want new technology. come up with a series of interchangeable key
panels so that you can personalize the keyboard to your own typing
idiosyncrasies. The switching technology remains the same for all
versions.
Salmon Egg
Oct 7, 2012, 3:40:41 AM10/7/12
to
In article <k4qfft$rlv$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
slight design change would help me out a lot. I want to look at the
screen when I type; not my fingers. Making the keys smaller will not
reduce their utility, but it sure would help accuracy; at least for me.
I would happily buy another keyboard with that minor change. Maybe,
because of low production volume, they would have to cost more. I would
be happy to pay a reasonable premium.
Will the change I ask for even the arty-fartiness?
Bread <BreadW...@Fractious.net> wrote:
> >> Why should arty-farty win out over utility?
> >
> > Because it's Apple - made to look great and work great. Except when
> > something does not work great.
>
> Are you saying that the aluminum keyboards look great, but don't work
> great? It may be a matter of personal preference, but my personal
> experience and that of almost everyone else I've talked to about this
> agree that the aluminum keyboards are actually pretty great.
>
> In particular, I find the low profile to be absolutely invaluable. And
> the key press feedback is good enough. It's no Matias, but at this
> point, I actually prefer the quiet to the strong clickity-click.
>
> Anyway, at best, you can say "works great" with regard to these is a
> matter of taste, and most people seem to like them a lot. I was
> really, absolutely surprised that I liked it at all.
>
> This is not like the hideous and horrible hockey-puck mouse which was
> pretty universally hated. (Though, in my opinion, Apple hasn't made a
> decent mouse, well, almost ever. Again, though, that's mostly a
> personal taste issue.)
I DO LIKE THE KEYBOARD. Maybe that is why I am complaining so much. A
> >> Why should arty-farty win out over utility?
> >
> > Because it's Apple - made to look great and work great. Except when
> > something does not work great.
>
> Are you saying that the aluminum keyboards look great, but don't work
> great? It may be a matter of personal preference, but my personal
> experience and that of almost everyone else I've talked to about this
> agree that the aluminum keyboards are actually pretty great.
>
> In particular, I find the low profile to be absolutely invaluable. And
> the key press feedback is good enough. It's no Matias, but at this
> point, I actually prefer the quiet to the strong clickity-click.
>
> Anyway, at best, you can say "works great" with regard to these is a
> matter of taste, and most people seem to like them a lot. I was
> really, absolutely surprised that I liked it at all.
>
> This is not like the hideous and horrible hockey-puck mouse which was
> pretty universally hated. (Though, in my opinion, Apple hasn't made a
> decent mouse, well, almost ever. Again, though, that's mostly a
> personal taste issue.)
slight design change would help me out a lot. I want to look at the
screen when I type; not my fingers. Making the keys smaller will not
reduce their utility, but it sure would help accuracy; at least for me.
I would happily buy another keyboard with that minor change. Maybe,
because of low production volume, they would have to cost more. I would
be happy to pay a reasonable premium.
Will the change I ask for even the arty-fartiness?
Salmon Egg
Oct 7, 2012, 3:51:03 AM10/7/12
to
> Barry OGrady:
> > > A vintage typewriter style keyboard would be pretty arty too.
>
> Wes Groleau:
> > http://www.datamancer.com/cart/
> >
> > http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml
>
> What an amazing coincidence. I had just been thinking to myself, "Self,
> you need to buy a $750 keyboard." Or "Self, you need to get yourself up
> to Canada before winter sets in, mine yourself some bauxite and a few
> other ores, buy a foundry and machine shop, smelt a handsome aluminum
> alloy, go to school to learn casting and machining, and get off your
> lazy arse and build your own keyboard."
>
> Right.
Try a test magnet near the aluminum of the keyboard. You will find out
> > > A vintage typewriter style keyboard would be pretty arty too.
>
> Wes Groleau:
> > http://www.datamancer.com/cart/
> >
> > http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml
>
> What an amazing coincidence. I had just been thinking to myself, "Self,
> you need to buy a $750 keyboard." Or "Self, you need to get yourself up
> to Canada before winter sets in, mine yourself some bauxite and a few
> other ores, buy a foundry and machine shop, smelt a handsome aluminum
> alloy, go to school to learn casting and machining, and get off your
> lazy arse and build your own keyboard."
>
> Right.
that Apple managed to get the only magnetic aluminum I ever heard of.
JF Mezei
Oct 7, 2012, 4:11:36 AM10/7/12
to
On 12-10-07 03:51, Salmon Egg wrote:
> Try a test magnet near the aluminum of the keyboard. You will find out
> that Apple managed to get the only magnetic aluminum I ever heard of.
That is because Apple's keyboard is magical ! It is extraordinary ! It
> Try a test magnet near the aluminum of the keyboard. You will find out
> that Apple managed to get the only magnetic aluminum I ever heard of.
is amazing ! Steve Jobs told me that, so it must be true :-)
Wes Groleau
Oct 7, 2012, 1:11:38 PM10/7/12
to
On 10-07-2012 03:04, Salmon Egg wrote:
> "aluminum" keyboard. Designing a keyboard to accept old typewriter sized
> key caps requires no new technology. All that needs to be done is to
> mold new key caps and punch out a new aluminum panel with differently
> shaped holes on the same centers.
>
> If you want new technology. come up with a series of interchangeable key
> panels so that you can personalize the keyboard to your own typing
> idiosyncrasies. The switching technology remains the same for all
> versions.
You give me an idea.
> "aluminum" keyboard. Designing a keyboard to accept old typewriter sized
> key caps requires no new technology. All that needs to be done is to
> mold new key caps and punch out a new aluminum panel with differently
> shaped holes on the same centers.
>
> If you want new technology. come up with a series of interchangeable key
> panels so that you can personalize the keyboard to your own typing
> idiosyncrasies. The switching technology remains the same for all
> versions.
Mac OS already allows us to design our own keyboard mappings.
So what if your "key panel" had two parts:
1. A plate with holes over the centers of the keys on the
keyboard you don't like.
2. Hundreds of mushroom-shaped keys marked with various letters
and symbols. The caps are the shape you like, and the stems
drop into whichever holes you want.
Just don't try to type with honey on your fingers.
Wes Groleau
Oct 7, 2012, 1:16:58 PM10/7/12
to
On 10-06-2012 22:51, Davoud wrote:
> Barry OGrady:
>>> A vintage typewriter style keyboard would be pretty arty too.
>
> Wes Groleau:
>> http://www.datamancer.com/cart/
>>
>> http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml
>
> What an amazing coincidence. I had just been thinking to myself, "Self,
> you need to buy a $750 keyboard." Or "Self, you need to get yourself up
> to Canada before winter sets in, mine yourself some bauxite and a few
> other ores, buy a foundry and machine shop, smelt a handsome aluminum
> alloy, go to school to learn casting and machining, and get off your
> lazy arse and build your own keyboard."
I think I detect sarcasm. You may not want it; I may not want it; but
> Barry OGrady:
>>> A vintage typewriter style keyboard would be pretty arty too.
>
> Wes Groleau:
>> http://www.datamancer.com/cart/
>>
>> http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml
>
> What an amazing coincidence. I had just been thinking to myself, "Self,
> you need to buy a $750 keyboard." Or "Self, you need to get yourself up
> to Canada before winter sets in, mine yourself some bauxite and a few
> other ores, buy a foundry and machine shop, smelt a handsome aluminum
> alloy, go to school to learn casting and machining, and get off your
> lazy arse and build your own keyboard."
Barry (sort of) asked for it.
The steampunkworkshop guy does it for his own enjoyment. The other guy
sells them.
By the way, if you want to buy a foundry, you could probably get my
great-grandfather's foundry cheap. It's been idle for five decades and
much of the equipment is still there. Probably enough brass for your
keyboard. Not likely any aluminum--he only did brass, bonze, and iron
as far as I know.
--
Wes Groleau
“A miracle is a violation of the laws of nature, and as a
firm and unalterable experience has established these laws,
the proof against a miracle, from the very nature of the fact,
is as entire as could possibly be imagined.”
— David Hume, age 37
“There's no such thing of that, 'cause I never heard of it.”
— Becky Groleau, age 4
Wes Groleau
Oct 7, 2012, 1:38:23 PM10/7/12
to
On 10-06-2012 23:24, Steve Fenwick wrote:
> In article <061020122251552608%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Barry OGrady:
>>>> A vintage typewriter style keyboard would be pretty arty too.
>>
>> Wes Groleau:
>>> http://www.datamancer.com/cart/
>>>
>>> http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml
>>
>> What an amazing coincidence. I had just been thinking to myself, "Self,
>> you need to buy a $750 keyboard." Or "Self, you need to get yourself up
>> to Canada before winter sets in, mine yourself some bauxite and a few
>> other ores, buy a foundry and machine shop, smelt a handsome aluminum
>> alloy, go to school to learn casting and machining, and get off your
>> lazy arse and build your own keyboard."
>>
>> Right.
>
> Optimus Maximus is either sold out or never shipped, but try this one:
>
> <http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/popularis/>
He said $750, not $1000. :-)
> In article <061020122251552608%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Barry OGrady:
>>>> A vintage typewriter style keyboard would be pretty arty too.
>>
>> Wes Groleau:
>>> http://www.datamancer.com/cart/
>>>
>>> http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml
>>
>> What an amazing coincidence. I had just been thinking to myself, "Self,
>> you need to buy a $750 keyboard." Or "Self, you need to get yourself up
>> to Canada before winter sets in, mine yourself some bauxite and a few
>> other ores, buy a foundry and machine shop, smelt a handsome aluminum
>> alloy, go to school to learn casting and machining, and get off your
>> lazy arse and build your own keyboard."
>>
>> Right.
>
> Optimus Maximus is either sold out or never shipped, but try this one:
>
> <http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/popularis/>
Apparently the Maximus ($1500) is also unavailable. But the reviews are
interesting:
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0042FWNMW?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwartlebedev-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B0042FWNMW>
or
http://tinyurl.com/96begk9
--
Wes Groleau
A bureaucrat is someone who cuts red tape lengthwise.
Your Name
Oct 7, 2012, 4:21:43 PM10/7/12
to
In article <5071393a$0$39100$c3e8da3$88b2...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
It's the Magic Mouse and the Magic Trackpad, not the Magic Keyboard. ;-)
Your Name
Oct 7, 2012, 4:27:05 PM10/7/12
to
In article <SalmonEgg-831F7...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
can be more easily broken when trying to swap them).
A few companies already make replacement keys for use in applications like
Final Cut or Photoshop.
Or you can of course simply put stickers (or "decals" if you're American)
on top of the keys. One person I help has an old iBook where stickers have
been used to add the Asian letters to the keys tops.
Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> If you want new technology. come up with a series of interchangeable key
> panels so that you can personalize the keyboard to your own typing
> idiosyncrasies. The switching technology remains the same for all
> versions.
The keys on most keyboards are interchangeable (although laptop-style ones
>
> If you want new technology. come up with a series of interchangeable key
> panels so that you can personalize the keyboard to your own typing
> idiosyncrasies. The switching technology remains the same for all
> versions.
can be more easily broken when trying to swap them).
A few companies already make replacement keys for use in applications like
Final Cut or Photoshop.
Or you can of course simply put stickers (or "decals" if you're American)
on top of the keys. One person I help has an old iBook where stickers have
been used to add the Asian letters to the keys tops.
Paul Sture
Oct 7, 2012, 5:22:19 PM10/7/12
to
In article
<YourName-081...@203-118-187-93.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
I once bought a PC on special offer and it came with a Portuguese
keyboard and a load of stickers. I didn't have high hopes for their
ability to stay in place, but they turned out to be perfectly OK in
service.
--
Paul Sture
<YourName-081...@203-118-187-93.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
keyboard and a load of stickers. I didn't have high hopes for their
ability to stay in place, but they turned out to be perfectly OK in
service.
--
Paul Sture
Davoud
Oct 7, 2012, 6:54:56 PM10/7/12
to
Wes Groleau:
"bronze." Iron, I could afford. Brass and bronze, no way.
> By the way, if you want to buy a foundry, you could probably get my
> great-grandfather's foundry cheap. It's been idle for five decades and
> much of the equipment is still there. Probably enough brass for your
> keyboard. Not likely any aluminum--he only did brass, bonze, and iron
> as far as I know.
Gee, I was ready to reach for my checkbook until I saw "brass" and
> great-grandfather's foundry cheap. It's been idle for five decades and
> much of the equipment is still there. Probably enough brass for your
> keyboard. Not likely any aluminum--he only did brass, bonze, and iron
> as far as I know.
"bronze." Iron, I could afford. Brass and bronze, no way.
Your Name
Oct 7, 2012, 8:28:27 PM10/7/12
to
In article <nospam-E64675....@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture
The Asian ones I mentioned above are sort of a metallic sticker. They seem
to have lasted quite a while so far (it is an iBook afterall) - only one
has peeled away slightly at one corner.
to have lasted quite a while so far (it is an iBook afterall) - only one
has peeled away slightly at one corner.
Salmon Egg
Oct 11, 2012, 7:38:19 PM10/11/12
to
In article
<YourName-081...@203-118-187-93.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
<YourName-081...@203-118-187-93.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
markings or symbols on the key caps. I was referring to the the size and
shape of the keys. I was referring to the amount of force and travel
required of a key press to be registered. For me, removal of about 2.5
mm rom the edge of letter and some other keys would be about ideal. The
holes punched in the "aluminum" panel should match the new shape of the
keys.
Your Name2
Oct 11, 2012, 8:27:46 PM10/11/12
to
In article <SalmonEgg-E8A72...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
shape at the users whims ... until then there's plenty of keyboard makers
out there making lots of different designs and models (and a couple of
stickers / decals will soon fix any issues about have Windows logos /
markings instead of Mac ones).
Mad Katz Interactive make a range of highly adjustable mice ... not only
do they look incredibly ugly, but they also LOOK like they would be
horribly uncomfortable to use (which in actual use they may or may not
be).
Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In article
> <YourName-081...@203-118-187-93.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> > In article <SalmonEgg-831F7...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
> > Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you want new technology. come up with a series of interchangeable key
> > > panels so that you can personalize the keyboard to your own typing
> > > idiosyncrasies. The switching technology remains the same for all
> > > versions.
> >
> > The keys on most keyboards are interchangeable (although laptop-style ones
> > can be more easily broken when trying to swap them).
> >
> > A few companies already make replacement keys for use in applications like
> > Final Cut or Photoshop.
> >
> > Or you can of course simply put stickers (or "decals" if you're American)
> > on top of the keys. One person I help has an old iBook where stickers have
> > been used to add the Asian letters to the keys tops.
>
> Apparently, my post was not clearly composed. I was not referring to the
> markings or symbols on the key caps. I was referring to the the size and
> shape of the keys. I was referring to the amount of force and travel
> required of a key press to be registered. For me, removal of about 2.5
> mm rom the edge of letter and some other keys would be about ideal. The
> holes punched in the "aluminum" panel should match the new shape of the
> keys.
You would need to invent "living" metal or plastic that can change it
> In article
> <YourName-081...@203-118-187-93.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> > In article <SalmonEgg-831F7...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
> > Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you want new technology. come up with a series of interchangeable key
> > > panels so that you can personalize the keyboard to your own typing
> > > idiosyncrasies. The switching technology remains the same for all
> > > versions.
> >
> > The keys on most keyboards are interchangeable (although laptop-style ones
> > can be more easily broken when trying to swap them).
> >
> > A few companies already make replacement keys for use in applications like
> > Final Cut or Photoshop.
> >
> > Or you can of course simply put stickers (or "decals" if you're American)
> > on top of the keys. One person I help has an old iBook where stickers have
> > been used to add the Asian letters to the keys tops.
>
> Apparently, my post was not clearly composed. I was not referring to the
> markings or symbols on the key caps. I was referring to the the size and
> shape of the keys. I was referring to the amount of force and travel
> required of a key press to be registered. For me, removal of about 2.5
> mm rom the edge of letter and some other keys would be about ideal. The
> holes punched in the "aluminum" panel should match the new shape of the
> keys.
shape at the users whims ... until then there's plenty of keyboard makers
out there making lots of different designs and models (and a couple of
stickers / decals will soon fix any issues about have Windows logos /
markings instead of Mac ones).
Mad Katz Interactive make a range of highly adjustable mice ... not only
do they look incredibly ugly, but they also LOOK like they would be
horribly uncomfortable to use (which in actual use they may or may not
be).
Salmon Egg
Oct 12, 2012, 1:40:50 AM10/12/12
to
In article
<YourName2-121...@203-118-187-34.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
the customized panel holding the actual keys that are to activate the
switches that send character symbols to the computer. One series of such
key holding panels as befits the user's desires is snapped into place.
If you like small keys and I like large keys, we can each be
accommodated.
<YourName2-121...@203-118-187-34.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name2) wrote:
> > Apparently, my post was not clearly composed. I was not referring to the
> > markings or symbols on the key caps. I was referring to the the size and
> > shape of the keys. I was referring to the amount of force and travel
> > required of a key press to be registered. For me, removal of about 2.5
> > mm from the edge of letter and some other keys would be about ideal. The
> > Apparently, my post was not clearly composed. I was not referring to the
> > markings or symbols on the key caps. I was referring to the the size and
> > shape of the keys. I was referring to the amount of force and travel
> > required of a key press to be registered. For me, removal of about 2.5
> > holes punched in the "aluminum" panel should match the new shape of the
> > keys.
>
> You would need to invent "living" metal or plastic that can change it
> shape at the users whims ... until then there's plenty of keyboard makers
> out there making lots of different designs and models (and a couple of
> stickers / decals will soon fix any issues about have Windows logos /
> markings instead of Mac ones).
>
> Mad Katz Interactive make a range of highly adjustable mice ... not only
> do they look incredibly ugly, but they also LOOK like they would be
> horribly uncomfortable to use (which in actual use they may or may not
> be).
What I am looking for is a base that has switches. Onto this is placed
> > keys.
>
> You would need to invent "living" metal or plastic that can change it
> shape at the users whims ... until then there's plenty of keyboard makers
> out there making lots of different designs and models (and a couple of
> stickers / decals will soon fix any issues about have Windows logos /
> markings instead of Mac ones).
>
> Mad Katz Interactive make a range of highly adjustable mice ... not only
> do they look incredibly ugly, but they also LOOK like they would be
> horribly uncomfortable to use (which in actual use they may or may not
> be).
the customized panel holding the actual keys that are to activate the
switches that send character symbols to the computer. One series of such
key holding panels as befits the user's desires is snapped into place.
If you like small keys and I like large keys, we can each be
accommodated.
Your Name
Oct 12, 2012, 5:34:10 PM10/12/12
to
In article <SalmonEgg-3DBF5...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
Nobody makes such a keyboard and it would likely be highly unprofitable if
they did. There are already enough keyboard designs out there for people
to find one that suits them (with the exception of some people who have
specific physcial disabilities perhaps).
they did. There are already enough keyboard designs out there for people
to find one that suits them (with the exception of some people who have
specific physcial disabilities perhaps).
Salmon Egg
Oct 12, 2012, 5:42:38 PM10/12/12
to
The aluminum keyboard just bit me again.
I had several scans I was looking at in Preview. All the scans were in
one folder. I selected all the pages from the sidebar so as to be able
to increase the size of the on-screen images. Striking command and +
served that function nicely until the images disappeared. Unfortunately,
a slight change of finger position caught the delete key and all the
images went to the trash.
After figuring out what happened I was able to retrieve the files. I did
it again, and the images disappeared again. There is just no tactile
feedback that tells me when my finger is going to catch the delete key
as well as the + key, I HATE IT. ARTY FARTY BEFORE FUNCTION.
I now will have to find out how to require the addition of a control key
to the combination for actual deletion. Bah.
I had several scans I was looking at in Preview. All the scans were in
one folder. I selected all the pages from the sidebar so as to be able
to increase the size of the on-screen images. Striking command and +
served that function nicely until the images disappeared. Unfortunately,
a slight change of finger position caught the delete key and all the
images went to the trash.
After figuring out what happened I was able to retrieve the files. I did
it again, and the images disappeared again. There is just no tactile
feedback that tells me when my finger is going to catch the delete key
as well as the + key, I HATE IT. ARTY FARTY BEFORE FUNCTION.
I now will have to find out how to require the addition of a control key
to the combination for actual deletion. Bah.
Davoud
Oct 12, 2012, 6:48:26 PM10/12/12
to
Salmon Egg:
hold-up?
> The aluminum keyboard just bit me again.
You need to get rid of that keyboard before it kills you. What's the
hold-up?
JF Mezei
Oct 12, 2012, 7:28:55 PM10/12/12
to
On 12-10-12 17:42, Salmon Egg wrote:
> The aluminum keyboard just bit me again.
Make sure you thoughroughly disinfect the area. You don't know what sort
> The aluminum keyboard just bit me again.
of disease the keyboard might have given you :-) What part of your body
was bitten ? :-)
You use the word "again". How often does the keyboard bite you ? Have
you brought it to the Apple Hospital to get all its shots against rabies
and other socially unacceptable diseases ?
Do you mistreat your keyboard ? This could be an explanation for it
biting back at you. Perhaps we should report you to the SPCA (Society
for Prevention of Cruelty to Apple products)
What is your IP address ? Perhaps we could get 7-of-9 to get your
keyboard to send you a 50,000 volts jolt to defend itself against you :-)
Your Name
Oct 12, 2012, 8:44:04 PM10/12/12
to
In article <SalmonEgg-7B9BF...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> The aluminum keyboard just bit me again.
>
> I had several scans I was looking at in Preview. All the scans were in
> one folder. I selected all the pages from the sidebar so as to be able
> to increase the size of the on-screen images. Striking command and +
> served that function nicely until the images disappeared. Unfortunately,
> a slight change of finger position caught the delete key and all the
> images went to the trash.
>
> After figuring out what happened I was able to retrieve the files. I did
> it again, and the images disappeared again. There is just no tactile
> feedback that tells me when my finger is going to catch the delete key
> as well as the + key, I HATE IT. ARTY FARTY BEFORE FUNCTION.
>
> I now will have to find out how to require the addition of a control key
> to the combination for actual deletion. Bah.
As the saying goes: "A poor workman blames his tools."
> The aluminum keyboard just bit me again.
>
> I had several scans I was looking at in Preview. All the scans were in
> one folder. I selected all the pages from the sidebar so as to be able
> to increase the size of the on-screen images. Striking command and +
> served that function nicely until the images disappeared. Unfortunately,
> a slight change of finger position caught the delete key and all the
> images went to the trash.
>
> After figuring out what happened I was able to retrieve the files. I did
> it again, and the images disappeared again. There is just no tactile
> feedback that tells me when my finger is going to catch the delete key
> as well as the + key, I HATE IT. ARTY FARTY BEFORE FUNCTION.
>
> I now will have to find out how to require the addition of a control key
> to the combination for actual deletion. Bah.
Message has been deleted
Zaidy036
Oct 12, 2012, 9:10:43 PM10/12/12
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On 10/12/2012 5:34 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article<SalmonEgg-3DBF5...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
> Egg<Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <YourName2-121...@203-118-187-34.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
>> Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name2) wrote:
<snip>
> In article<SalmonEgg-3DBF5...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
> Egg<Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <YourName2-121...@203-118-187-34.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
>> Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name2) wrote:
>>
>> What I am looking for is a base that has switches. Onto this is placed
>> the customized panel holding the actual keys that are to activate the
>> switches that send character symbols to the computer. One series of such
>> key holding panels as befits the user's desires is snapped into place.
>> If you like small keys and I like large keys, we can each be
>> accommodated.
Google "programmable keyboard bluetooth" and maybe one will suit you
>> What I am looking for is a base that has switches. Onto this is placed
>> the customized panel holding the actual keys that are to activate the
>> switches that send character symbols to the computer. One series of such
>> key holding panels as befits the user's desires is snapped into place.
>> If you like small keys and I like large keys, we can each be
>> accommodated.
--
Zaidy036
Your Name
Oct 12, 2012, 10:38:36 PM10/12/12
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keyboard that can be adjusted / morphs to the user's exact requirements in
key height, width, depth, vertical movement, etc. ... except nobody
actually makes such a thing.
In reality Salmon Egg doesn't like the Apple aluminium keyboard, but is
simply too lazy to go out (to try them) and buy a new one out of the
hundreds of different models available, so instead simply continues to
whine on about Apple's ... i.e. the typical anti-Apple nutter, and in fact
Salmon Egg probably doesn't even have an Apple alumininum keyboard at
all. :-\
Salmon Egg
Oct 13, 2012, 1:12:02 AM10/13/12
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In article
<YourName-131...@203-118-187-209.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
I obtained three aluminum keyboards over the years as I boughtMacs.
Whenever I get a chance, I try a keyboard. Of the many keyboards I
tried, the one that suited me most was a "rubber" PC keyboard. It could
be rolled up. There were no key caps. All the keys were molded in one
sheet. The individual keys were highly tapered. That was enough to
separate the keys in a way as to give good tactile feedback. It required
fairly lone strokes to activate the keys. It did, however have its own
problems. It cost about $12 at Fry's. It still is somewhere in the house.
<YourName-131...@203-118-187-209.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> Salmon Egg doesn't want a programmable keyboard. Salmon Egg wants a
> keyboard that can be adjusted / morphs to the user's exact requirements in
> key height, width, depth, vertical movement, etc. ... except nobody
> actually makes such a thing.
>
> In reality Salmon Egg doesn't like the Apple aluminium keyboard, but is
> simply too lazy to go out (to try them) and buy a new one out of the
> hundreds of different models available, so instead simply continues to
> whine on about Apple's ... i.e. the typical anti-Apple nutter, and in fact
> Salmon Egg probably doesn't even have an Apple alumininum keyboard at
> all. :-\
The first paragraph here expresses my desires very well.
> Salmon Egg doesn't want a programmable keyboard. Salmon Egg wants a
> keyboard that can be adjusted / morphs to the user's exact requirements in
> key height, width, depth, vertical movement, etc. ... except nobody
> actually makes such a thing.
>
> In reality Salmon Egg doesn't like the Apple aluminium keyboard, but is
> simply too lazy to go out (to try them) and buy a new one out of the
> hundreds of different models available, so instead simply continues to
> whine on about Apple's ... i.e. the typical anti-Apple nutter, and in fact
> Salmon Egg probably doesn't even have an Apple alumininum keyboard at
> all. :-\
I obtained three aluminum keyboards over the years as I boughtMacs.
Whenever I get a chance, I try a keyboard. Of the many keyboards I
tried, the one that suited me most was a "rubber" PC keyboard. It could
be rolled up. There were no key caps. All the keys were molded in one
sheet. The individual keys were highly tapered. That was enough to
separate the keys in a way as to give good tactile feedback. It required
fairly lone strokes to activate the keys. It did, however have its own
problems. It cost about $12 at Fry's. It still is somewhere in the house.
Paul Sture
Oct 13, 2012, 10:00:27 AM10/13/12
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In article <SalmonEgg-B7112...@news60.forteinc.com>,
My aluminium keyboard packed up at 5pm one Saturday, which is when my
local Apple dealer closes, unfortunately. I went to another Apple
outlet but they only had the wireless keyboard at 79 bucks.
My aluminium keyboard was still under warranty so I didn't really want
to shell out so much and bought a 20 buck Microsoft keyboard instead.
Once I got used to its lighter touch, I found it fine.
--
Paul Sture
local Apple dealer closes, unfortunately. I went to another Apple
outlet but they only had the wireless keyboard at 79 bucks.
My aluminium keyboard was still under warranty so I didn't really want
to shell out so much and bought a 20 buck Microsoft keyboard instead.
Once I got used to its lighter touch, I found it fine.
--
Paul Sture
Message has been deleted
Jolly Roger
Oct 13, 2012, 8:38:21 PM10/13/12
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In article <slrnk7k1ii....@mbp55.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <SalmonEgg-7B9BF...@news60.forteinc.com>
> laptop keyboards before that, and I don't think I've ever accidentally
> hit command delete instead of command-+. Not even once.
I did it once, but I was lit at the time. Maybe the OP drunk/dope
posted. : )
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Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <SalmonEgg-7B9BF...@news60.forteinc.com>
> Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > The aluminum keyboard just bit me again.
>
> > I had several scans I was looking at in Preview. All the scans were in
> > one folder. I selected all the pages from the sidebar so as to be able
> > to increase the size of the on-screen images. Striking command and +
> > served that function nicely until the images disappeared. Unfortunately,
> > a slight change of finger position caught the delete key and all the
> > images went to the trash.
>
> > After figuring out what happened I was able to retrieve the files. I did
> > it again, and the images disappeared again. There is just no tactile
> > feedback that tells me when my finger is going to catch the delete key
> > as well as the + key, I HATE IT. ARTY FARTY BEFORE FUNCTION.
>
> Odd. I've been using the aluminum keyboard since it came out, and the
> > The aluminum keyboard just bit me again.
>
> > I had several scans I was looking at in Preview. All the scans were in
> > one folder. I selected all the pages from the sidebar so as to be able
> > to increase the size of the on-screen images. Striking command and +
> > served that function nicely until the images disappeared. Unfortunately,
> > a slight change of finger position caught the delete key and all the
> > images went to the trash.
>
> > After figuring out what happened I was able to retrieve the files. I did
> > it again, and the images disappeared again. There is just no tactile
> > feedback that tells me when my finger is going to catch the delete key
> > as well as the + key, I HATE IT. ARTY FARTY BEFORE FUNCTION.
>
> laptop keyboards before that, and I don't think I've ever accidentally
> hit command delete instead of command-+. Not even once.
I did it once, but I was lit at the time. Maybe the OP drunk/dope
posted. : )
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Your Name
Oct 13, 2012, 8:48:13 PM10/13/12
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In article <slrnk7k1ii....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <SalmonEgg-7B9BF...@news60.forteinc.com>
> Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <SalmonEgg-7B9BF...@news60.forteinc.com>
> Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > The aluminum keyboard just bit me again.
> >
> > I had several scans I was looking at in Preview. All the scans were in
> > one folder. I selected all the pages from the sidebar so as to be able
> > to increase the size of the on-screen images. Striking command and +
> > served that function nicely until the images disappeared. Unfortunately,
> > a slight change of finger position caught the delete key and all the
> > images went to the trash.
>
> > After figuring out what happened I was able to retrieve the files. I did
> > it again, and the images disappeared again. There is just no tactile
> > feedback that tells me when my finger is going to catch the delete key
> > as well as the + key, I HATE IT. ARTY FARTY BEFORE FUNCTION.
>
> >
> > I had several scans I was looking at in Preview. All the scans were in
> > one folder. I selected all the pages from the sidebar so as to be able
> > to increase the size of the on-screen images. Striking command and +
> > served that function nicely until the images disappeared. Unfortunately,
> > a slight change of finger position caught the delete key and all the
> > images went to the trash.
>
> > After figuring out what happened I was able to retrieve the files. I did
> > it again, and the images disappeared again. There is just no tactile
> > feedback that tells me when my finger is going to catch the delete key
> > as well as the + key, I HATE IT. ARTY FARTY BEFORE FUNCTION.
>
> Odd. I've been using the aluminum keyboard since it came out, and the
> laptop keyboards before that, and I don't think I've ever accidentally
> hit command delete instead of command-+. Not even once.
I occasionally hit Help instead of Del on my Apple Design keyboard, but
> laptop keyboards before that, and I don't think I've ever accidentally
> hit command delete instead of command-+. Not even once.
that isn't the keyboard's fault either. Salmon Egg is just the usual
Internet whinning fool too lazy to go and get a new keyboard they like
better - it's not as if Apple's one is even remotely the only choice there
is.
Salmon Egg
Oct 14, 2012, 5:09:20 AM10/14/12
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In article <nospam-338267....@news.chingola.ch>,
is surely trying to win it.
What was the model number of your Microsoft keyboard. I am surprised
that it has a lighter touch than the aluminum board. I suspect, however,
that it has a longer stroke. My previous tries with Microsoft keyboards
at Fry's or Staples have been disappointing.
Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
> My aluminium keyboard was still under warranty so I didn't really want
> to shell out so much and bought a 20 buck Microsoft keyboard instead.
> Once I got used to its lighter touch, I found it fine.
I no longer have as much animosity to Microsoft as I did before. Apple
> My aluminium keyboard was still under warranty so I didn't really want
> to shell out so much and bought a 20 buck Microsoft keyboard instead.
> Once I got used to its lighter touch, I found it fine.
is surely trying to win it.
What was the model number of your Microsoft keyboard. I am surprised
that it has a lighter touch than the aluminum board. I suspect, however,
that it has a longer stroke. My previous tries with Microsoft keyboards
at Fry's or Staples have been disappointing.
Salmon Egg
Oct 14, 2012, 5:12:55 AM10/14/12
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In article <slrnk7k1ii....@mbp55.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Odd. I've been using the aluminum keyboard since it came out, and the
> laptop keyboards before that, and I don't think I've ever accidentally
> hit command delete instead of command-+. Not even once.
Although I have not checked it out fully, I think my problem of
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Odd. I've been using the aluminum keyboard since it came out, and the
> laptop keyboards before that, and I don't think I've ever accidentally
> hit command delete instead of command-+. Not even once.
accidental deletion occurs only with Preview.
Salmon Egg
Oct 14, 2012, 5:17:23 AM10/14/12
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In article <jollyroger-A69B3...@news.individual.net>,
is a cheap way to act drunk! : )
Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> I did it once, but I was lit at the time. Maybe the OP drunk/dope
> posted. : )
I hardly touch alcoholic substances these days-- like a lush. It surer
> I did it once, but I was lit at the time. Maybe the OP drunk/dope
> posted. : )
is a cheap way to act drunk! : )
Salmon Egg
Oct 14, 2012, 5:32:27 AM10/14/12
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In article
<YourName-141...@203-118-187-65.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
perfect musician, I might be able to always place my finger in the right
position. Violinists do not even use frets to help. I am just not that
good. Why should Apple be in the business of helping imperfect typists
find it easier to make mistakes?
As for finding an adequate keyboard, the only one I found was the rubber
keyboard but it has its own set of problems.
<YourName-141...@203-118-187-65.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> I occasionally hit Help instead of Del on my Apple Design keyboard, but
> that isn't the keyboard's fault either. Salmon Egg is just the usual
> Internet whinning fool too lazy to go and get a new keyboard they like
> better - it's not as if Apple's one is even remotely the only choice there
> is.
I cannot find a "help" key on my keyboard. Where did you? If I were a
> I occasionally hit Help instead of Del on my Apple Design keyboard, but
> that isn't the keyboard's fault either. Salmon Egg is just the usual
> Internet whinning fool too lazy to go and get a new keyboard they like
> better - it's not as if Apple's one is even remotely the only choice there
> is.
perfect musician, I might be able to always place my finger in the right
position. Violinists do not even use frets to help. I am just not that
good. Why should Apple be in the business of helping imperfect typists
find it easier to make mistakes?
As for finding an adequate keyboard, the only one I found was the rubber
keyboard but it has its own set of problems.
Paul Sture
Oct 14, 2012, 7:57:06 AM10/14/12
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In article <SalmonEgg-5BF52...@news60.forteinc.com>,
at a time, but I have got used to it now.
It describes itself as a "Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600". I haven't yet
worked out where all the keys are when connected to a Mac, and that is
complicated by the fact it's a Swiss layout, but for bashing in text
it's fine.
I haven't found the combination for tilde for example, but that's a
pretty minor inconvenience.
--
Paul Sture
Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In article <nospam-338267....@news.chingola.ch>,
> Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
>
> > My aluminium keyboard was still under warranty so I didn't really want
> > to shell out so much and bought a 20 buck Microsoft keyboard instead.
> > Once I got used to its lighter touch, I found it fine.
>
> I no longer have as much animosity to Microsoft as I did before. Apple
> is surely trying to win it.
>
> What was the model number of your Microsoft keyboard. I am surprised
> that it has a lighter touch than the aluminum board. I suspect, however,
> that it has a longer stroke. My previous tries with Microsoft keyboards
> at Fry's or Staples have been disappointing.
Definitely a longer stroke, and initially I found I was hitting two keys
> In article <nospam-338267....@news.chingola.ch>,
> Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
>
> > My aluminium keyboard was still under warranty so I didn't really want
> > to shell out so much and bought a 20 buck Microsoft keyboard instead.
> > Once I got used to its lighter touch, I found it fine.
>
> I no longer have as much animosity to Microsoft as I did before. Apple
> is surely trying to win it.
>
> What was the model number of your Microsoft keyboard. I am surprised
> that it has a lighter touch than the aluminum board. I suspect, however,
> that it has a longer stroke. My previous tries with Microsoft keyboards
> at Fry's or Staples have been disappointing.
at a time, but I have got used to it now.
It describes itself as a "Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600". I haven't yet
worked out where all the keys are when connected to a Mac, and that is
complicated by the fact it's a Swiss layout, but for bashing in text
it's fine.
I haven't found the combination for tilde for example, but that's a
pretty minor inconvenience.
--
Paul Sture
Salmon Egg
Oct 14, 2012, 10:34:20 AM10/14/12
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In article <nospam-FB466F....@news.chingola.ch>,
easy remap for the keyboard. Biting the + and Delete key along with the
command modifier key while in Preview (and maybe some other applications
as well) sends files to the trash.
Is it possible for you to remap your keyboard to be more Mac like and
override the markings on your key caps?
Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
> > What was the model number of your Microsoft keyboard. I am surprised
> > that it has a lighter touch than the aluminum board. I suspect, however,
> > that it has a longer stroke. My previous tries with Microsoft keyboards
> > at Fry's or Staples have been disappointing.
>
> Definitely a longer stroke, and initially I found I was hitting two keys
> at a time, but I have got used to it now.
>
> It describes itself as a "Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600". I haven't yet
> worked out where all the keys are when connected to a Mac, and that is
> complicated by the fact it's a Swiss layout, but for bashing in text
> it's fine.
>
> I haven't found the combination for tilde for example, but that's a
> pretty minor inconvenience.
>
I plan to look in Pogue's Missing Manual for Snow Leopard to find an
> > What was the model number of your Microsoft keyboard. I am surprised
> > that it has a lighter touch than the aluminum board. I suspect, however,
> > that it has a longer stroke. My previous tries with Microsoft keyboards
> > at Fry's or Staples have been disappointing.
>
> Definitely a longer stroke, and initially I found I was hitting two keys
> at a time, but I have got used to it now.
>
> It describes itself as a "Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600". I haven't yet
> worked out where all the keys are when connected to a Mac, and that is
> complicated by the fact it's a Swiss layout, but for bashing in text
> it's fine.
>
> I haven't found the combination for tilde for example, but that's a
> pretty minor inconvenience.
>
easy remap for the keyboard. Biting the + and Delete key along with the
command modifier key while in Preview (and maybe some other applications
as well) sends files to the trash.
Is it possible for you to remap your keyboard to be more Mac like and
override the markings on your key caps?
Wes Groleau
Oct 14, 2012, 2:41:54 PM10/14/12
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On 10-14-2012 05:32, Salmon Egg wrote:
> I cannot find a "help" key on my keyboard. Where did you? If I were a
<http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/11/8f872ab52e4bd14c9e6d9efcda3a7732.jpg>
> I cannot find a "help" key on my keyboard. Where did you? If I were a
or
<http://tinyurl.com/8q8k3vl>
Look at item "two"
--
Wes Groleau
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it
goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the
world.”
— Thomas Jefferson
JF Mezei
Oct 14, 2012, 3:06:43 PM10/14/12
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On 12-10-14 05:12, Salmon Egg wrote:
> Although I have not checked it out fully, I think my problem of
> accidental deletion occurs only with Preview.
Could be because the type of images you are looking at with Preview
> Although I have not checked it out fully, I think my problem of
> accidental deletion occurs only with Preview.
causes your heart rate to increase and blood flow to go from one head to
the other, causing some distraction on where you should be putting your
fingers :-)
StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Oct 14, 2012, 3:23:15 PM10/14/12
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"juices flowing" "Get yer hand out of yer pants, boy!"
There was a song... "...get yer motor runnin'..."
Retina displays...
Brings comical imagery of Classic SNL days.
"She blowed up real good!..."
And "What the hell is that!?"
"Oh... I know what that is..."
Car crash statistics have risen dramatically in the last four years.
Time to start crackin' down on the idiots who think it is harmless or
that they are safer than the idiots who crash. And then you reckless
fucks want to call the collisions "accidents".
Your Name
Oct 14, 2012, 4:15:49 PM10/14/12
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In article <nospam-FB466F....@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture
<nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
>
<snip>
try the Key Caps application in the Utilities folder - it's great finding
hidden characters.
<nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> I haven't found the combination for tilde for example, but that's a
> pretty minor inconvenience.
I'm not sure if it's still included with newer versions of Mac OS X, but
> I haven't found the combination for tilde for example, but that's a
> pretty minor inconvenience.
try the Key Caps application in the Utilities folder - it's great finding
hidden characters.
Your Name
Oct 14, 2012, 4:24:18 PM10/14/12
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In article <SalmonEgg-03C04...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
mini Apple wireless keyboard (there will be a shortcut for it, possible
Command-?). I'm using an old PowerMac G3, so it has a proper full-size
keyboard with a power on key. Apple does sell a wired extended version of
the aluminium keyboard with separated number pad, cursor key pad, etc. and
it's free to swap the mini one for the full-size one as a build-to-order
option.
> If I were a perfect musician, I might be able to always place my finger
> in the right position. Violinists do not even use frets to help. I am
> just not that good. Why should Apple be in the business of helping
> imperfect typists find it easier to make mistakes?
The only way that could work is if the Mac could read your mind to see
what you really wanted to do ... something that is impossible (at least
currently).
> As for finding an adequate keyboard, the only one I found was the rubber
> keyboard but it has its own set of problems.
There's bazillions of different keyboard makes and types out there. If you
can't find one you like, then you're being EXTREMELY picky. There's even
at least one device that projects a "holographic" keyboard onto any flat
surface - raising or lowering (within sensible limits) the projector would
make the keyboard slightly bigger or smaller.
Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In article
> <YourName-141...@203-118-187-65.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
>
> > I occasionally hit Help instead of Del on my Apple Design keyboard, but
> > that isn't the keyboard's fault either. Salmon Egg is just the usual
> > Internet whinning fool too lazy to go and get a new keyboard they like
> > better - it's not as if Apple's one is even remotely the only choice there
> > is.
>
> I cannot find a "help" key on my keyboard. Where did you?
I haven't got one here to check, but I don't think it's on the standard
> In article
> <YourName-141...@203-118-187-65.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
>
> > I occasionally hit Help instead of Del on my Apple Design keyboard, but
> > that isn't the keyboard's fault either. Salmon Egg is just the usual
> > Internet whinning fool too lazy to go and get a new keyboard they like
> > better - it's not as if Apple's one is even remotely the only choice there
> > is.
>
> I cannot find a "help" key on my keyboard. Where did you?
mini Apple wireless keyboard (there will be a shortcut for it, possible
Command-?). I'm using an old PowerMac G3, so it has a proper full-size
keyboard with a power on key. Apple does sell a wired extended version of
the aluminium keyboard with separated number pad, cursor key pad, etc. and
it's free to swap the mini one for the full-size one as a build-to-order
option.
> If I were a perfect musician, I might be able to always place my finger
> in the right position. Violinists do not even use frets to help. I am
> just not that good. Why should Apple be in the business of helping
> imperfect typists find it easier to make mistakes?
what you really wanted to do ... something that is impossible (at least
currently).
> As for finding an adequate keyboard, the only one I found was the rubber
> keyboard but it has its own set of problems.
can't find one you like, then you're being EXTREMELY picky. There's even
at least one device that projects a "holographic" keyboard onto any flat
surface - raising or lowering (within sensible limits) the projector would
make the keyboard slightly bigger or smaller.
nospam
Oct 14, 2012, 4:35:23 PM10/14/12
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In article
<YourName-151...@203-118-187-74.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
the way to do it is use the special character palette, usually in the
edit menu.
<YourName-151...@203-118-187-74.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > I haven't found the combination for tilde for example, but that's a
> > pretty minor inconvenience.
>
> I'm not sure if it's still included with newer versions of Mac OS X, but
> try the Key Caps application in the Utilities folder - it's great finding
> hidden characters.
not since jaguar (10.2), about a decade ago.
> > I haven't found the combination for tilde for example, but that's a
> > pretty minor inconvenience.
>
> I'm not sure if it's still included with newer versions of Mac OS X, but
> try the Key Caps application in the Utilities folder - it's great finding
> hidden characters.
the way to do it is use the special character palette, usually in the
edit menu.
JF Mezei
Oct 14, 2012, 4:44:15 PM10/14/12
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On 12-10-14 16:15, Your Name wrote:
> I'm not sure if it's still included with newer versions of Mac OS X, but
> try the Key Caps application in the Utilities folder - it's great finding
> hidden characters.
It's been moved to the "Core Library" place of hidden applications.
> I'm not sure if it's still included with newer versions of Mac OS X, but
> try the Key Caps application in the Utilities folder - it's great finding
> hidden characters.
System Preferences, Language & Text, Input Sources.
Enable the "Keyboard and Character Viewer".
On the right of the menu bar, you shoudl have a Keyboard menu, and this
will add 2 items which then lets you get access to either the keyboard
layout, or select from a gazillion characters.
Paul Sture
Oct 14, 2012, 4:50:36 PM10/14/12
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In article
<YourName-151...@203-118-187-74.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
I can't find that one, but there is a freebie in the App Store called
Key Codes.
--
Paul Sture
<YourName-151...@203-118-187-74.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Key Codes.
--
Paul Sture
David Empson
Oct 14, 2012, 7:32:17 PM10/14/12
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Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <SalmonEgg-03C04...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
> Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <YourName-141...@203-118-187-65.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> > Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> >
> > > I occasionally hit Help instead of Del on my Apple Design keyboard, but
> > > that isn't the keyboard's fault either. Salmon Egg is just the usual
> > > Internet whinning fool too lazy to go and get a new keyboard they like
> > > better - it's not as if Apple's one is even remotely the only choice there
> > > is.
> >
> > I cannot find a "help" key on my keyboard. Where did you?
>
> I haven't got one here to check, but I don't think it's on the standard
> mini Apple wireless keyboard (there will be a shortcut for it, possible
> Command-?). I'm using an old PowerMac G3, so it has a proper full-size
> keyboard with a power on key. Apple does sell a wired extended version of
> the aluminium keyboard with separated number pad, cursor key pad, etc. and
> it's free to swap the mini one for the full-size one as a build-to-order
> option.
The "help" key was dropped from Apple's keyboards with the introduction
> In article <SalmonEgg-03C04...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
> Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <YourName-141...@203-118-187-65.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> > Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> >
> > > I occasionally hit Help instead of Del on my Apple Design keyboard, but
> > > that isn't the keyboard's fault either. Salmon Egg is just the usual
> > > Internet whinning fool too lazy to go and get a new keyboard they like
> > > better - it's not as if Apple's one is even remotely the only choice there
> > > is.
> >
> > I cannot find a "help" key on my keyboard. Where did you?
>
> I haven't got one here to check, but I don't think it's on the standard
> mini Apple wireless keyboard (there will be a shortcut for it, possible
> Command-?). I'm using an old PowerMac G3, so it has a proper full-size
> keyboard with a power on key. Apple does sell a wired extended version of
> the aluminium keyboard with separated number pad, cursor key pad, etc. and
> it's free to swap the mini one for the full-size one as a build-to-order
> option.
of the aluminium ones in 2007.
The full size aluminium keyboards have a "fn" key in the position that
"help/ins" used to occupy on older keyboards.
The preceding generation of white/clear plastic keyboards had "help" in
that position, no longer mentioning "ins".
I don't have one of the older Apple Pro keyboards (black keys) handy to
confirm, but I think it still had "ins" in smaller print on the help
key.
Smaller keyboards (e.g. built into notebook models) have been missing
the "help" key for much longer.
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David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz
Your Name
Oct 14, 2012, 8:32:35 PM10/14/12
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In article <507b2421$0$36274$c3e8da3$3388...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
Yep, I found this, although it doesn't say what version of Mac OS it is for:
"If you have the American or Canadian flag in your top right
by the volume and date, click that, then click Keyboard Viewer.
If its not there, go to System Prefs, then International, then
click the Input tab, in there make sure Character Palette is
checked and Keyboard Viewer is checked. That should be what
your looking for."
The Character Palette is okay if you only want to insert a specific
character, but the Key Caps application (and presumably Keyboard Viewer)
is great for finding out which actual keyboard key it can be typed from.
Key Caps displayed an on-screen keyboard and you could hold down the
various modifer key combinations to see the extra "hidden" characters
displayed on the keys.
"If you have the American or Canadian flag in your top right
by the volume and date, click that, then click Keyboard Viewer.
If its not there, go to System Prefs, then International, then
click the Input tab, in there make sure Character Palette is
checked and Keyboard Viewer is checked. That should be what
your looking for."
The Character Palette is okay if you only want to insert a specific
character, but the Key Caps application (and presumably Keyboard Viewer)
is great for finding out which actual keyboard key it can be typed from.
Key Caps displayed an on-screen keyboard and you could hold down the
various modifer key combinations to see the extra "hidden" characters
displayed on the keys.
AV3
Oct 14, 2012, 10:03:47 PM10/14/12
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On Oct/14/2012 8:3235 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article<507b2421$0$36274$c3e8da3$3388...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
> <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 12-10-14 16:15, Your Name wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure if it's still included with newer versions of Mac OS X, but
>>> try the Key Caps application in the Utilities folder - it's great finding
>>> hidden characters.
>>
>> It's been moved to the "Core Library" place of hidden applications.
>>
>> System Preferences, Language& Text, Input Sources.
> In article<507b2421$0$36274$c3e8da3$3388...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
> <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 12-10-14 16:15, Your Name wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure if it's still included with newer versions of Mac OS X, but
>>> try the Key Caps application in the Utilities folder - it's great finding
>>> hidden characters.
>>
>> It's been moved to the "Core Library" place of hidden applications.
>>
>>
>> Enable the "Keyboard and Character Viewer".
>>
>> On the right of the menu bar, you shoudl have a Keyboard menu, and this
>> will add 2 items which then lets you get access to either the keyboard
>> layout, or select from a gazillion characters.
>
> Yep, I found this, although it doesn't say what version of Mac OS it is for:
>
> "If you have the American or Canadian flag in your top right
> by the volume and date, click that, then click Keyboard Viewer.
> If its not there, go to System Prefs, then International, then
> click the Input tab, in there make sure Character Palette is
> checked and Keyboard Viewer is checked. That should be what
> your looking for."
>
> The Character Palette is okay if you only want to insert a specific
> character, but the Key Caps application (and presumably Keyboard Viewer)
> is great for finding out which actual keyboard key it can be typed from.
> Key Caps displayed an on-screen keyboard and you could hold down the
> various modifer key combinations to see the extra "hidden" characters
> displayed on the keys.
I sense this instruction has gone beyond the bounds of the iPad. I would
>> Enable the "Keyboard and Character Viewer".
>>
>> On the right of the menu bar, you shoudl have a Keyboard menu, and this
>> will add 2 items which then lets you get access to either the keyboard
>> layout, or select from a gazillion characters.
>
> Yep, I found this, although it doesn't say what version of Mac OS it is for:
>
> "If you have the American or Canadian flag in your top right
> by the volume and date, click that, then click Keyboard Viewer.
> If its not there, go to System Prefs, then International, then
> click the Input tab, in there make sure Character Palette is
> checked and Keyboard Viewer is checked. That should be what
> your looking for."
>
> The Character Palette is okay if you only want to insert a specific
> character, but the Key Caps application (and presumably Keyboard Viewer)
> is great for finding out which actual keyboard key it can be typed from.
> Key Caps displayed an on-screen keyboard and you could hold down the
> various modifer key combinations to see the extra "hidden" characters
> displayed on the keys.
like to have this function on the iPad and iPhone. Are there any apps
that provide it?
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Salmon Egg
Oct 15, 2012, 8:04:25 PM10/15/12
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In article <k5f11l$srq$1...@dont-email.me>,
trying to hit the delete key compared to hitting the delete key when
trying to hit the + key and catching delete.
You must be drinking a hellova more than I ever did. :=)
Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 10-14-2012 05:32, Salmon Egg wrote:
> > I cannot find a "help" key on my keyboard. Where did you? If I were a
>
> <http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/11/8f872ab52e4bd14c9e6d9ef
> cda3a7732.jpg>
>
> or
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/8q8k3vl>
>
> Look at item "two"
Wow! I found the fn key without trouble. That is a gigantic error for
> On 10-14-2012 05:32, Salmon Egg wrote:
> > I cannot find a "help" key on my keyboard. Where did you? If I were a
>
> <http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/11/8f872ab52e4bd14c9e6d9ef
> cda3a7732.jpg>
>
> or
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/8q8k3vl>
>
> Look at item "two"
trying to hit the delete key compared to hitting the delete key when
trying to hit the + key and catching delete.
You must be drinking a hellova more than I ever did. :=)
Salmon Egg
Oct 15, 2012, 8:06:33 PM10/15/12
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In article <507b0d44$0$47976$c3e8da3$dd96...@news.astraweb.com>,
Most of that stopped working well a long time ago.
Salmon Egg
Oct 15, 2012, 8:14:32 PM10/15/12
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In article
<YourName-151...@203-118-187-74.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
their product. While my suggestions may not be that important, I get the
impression that Apple does not care about what their users need. It is
very difficult for me to believe they read the stuff I do send. I would
appreciate it if the would send me a message not to bother them, Apple
knows best!
<YourName-151...@203-118-187-74.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> > If I were a perfect musician, I might be able to always place my finger
> > in the right position. Violinists do not even use frets to help. I am
> > just not that good. Why should Apple be in the business of helping
> > imperfect typists find it easier to make mistakes?
>
> The only way that could work is if the Mac could read your mind to see
> what you really wanted to do ... something that is impossible (at least
> currently).
I have spent some time informing Apple how I think they should improve
> > If I were a perfect musician, I might be able to always place my finger
> > in the right position. Violinists do not even use frets to help. I am
> > just not that good. Why should Apple be in the business of helping
> > imperfect typists find it easier to make mistakes?
>
> The only way that could work is if the Mac could read your mind to see
> what you really wanted to do ... something that is impossible (at least
> currently).
their product. While my suggestions may not be that important, I get the
impression that Apple does not care about what their users need. It is
very difficult for me to believe they read the stuff I do send. I would
appreciate it if the would send me a message not to bother them, Apple
knows best!
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Wes Groleau
Oct 15, 2012, 9:16:49 PM10/15/12
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On 10-15-2012 20:04, Salmon Egg wrote:
> In article <k5f11l$srq$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>
>> On 10-14-2012 05:32, Salmon Egg wrote:
>>> I cannot find a "help" key on my keyboard. Where did you? If I were a
>>
>> <http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/11/8f872ab52e4bd14c9e6d9ef
>> cda3a7732.jpg>
>>
>> or
>>
>> <http://tinyurl.com/8q8k3vl>
>>
>> Look at item "two"
>
> Wow! I found the fn key without trouble. That is a gigantic error for
> trying to hit the delete key compared to hitting the delete key when
> trying to hit the + key and catching delete.
>
> You must be drinking a hellova more than I ever did. :=)
Now I am completely baffled as to your meaning.
> In article <k5f11l$srq$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>
>> On 10-14-2012 05:32, Salmon Egg wrote:
>>> I cannot find a "help" key on my keyboard. Where did you? If I were a
>>
>> <http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/11/8f872ab52e4bd14c9e6d9ef
>> cda3a7732.jpg>
>>
>> or
>>
>> <http://tinyurl.com/8q8k3vl>
>>
>> Look at item "two"
>
> Wow! I found the fn key without trouble. That is a gigantic error for
> trying to hit the delete key compared to hitting the delete key when
> trying to hit the + key and catching delete.
>
> You must be drinking a hellova more than I ever did. :=)
--
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Armchair Activism: http://www.breakthechain.org/armchair.html
Salmon Egg
Oct 15, 2012, 9:34:08 PM10/15/12
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In article <michelle-188F7B...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> Apple doesn't pay much attention to individual suggestions or complaints,
> but it most certainly does when there's a mass of them all about the same
> thing. The translucent menu bar being just one example.
>
What is the best way of sending suggestions to Apple? I sure do not
know. Maybe we can start a thread here for that purpose. I presume,
perhaps incorrectly, that someone at Apple looks over the posts to this
newsgroup.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> Apple doesn't pay much attention to individual suggestions or complaints,
> but it most certainly does when there's a mass of them all about the same
> thing. The translucent menu bar being just one example.
>
What is the best way of sending suggestions to Apple? I sure do not
know. Maybe we can start a thread here for that purpose. I presume,
perhaps incorrectly, that someone at Apple looks over the posts to this
newsgroup.
Salmon Egg
Oct 15, 2012, 9:38:35 PM10/15/12
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In article <k5ici1$43m$2...@dont-email.me>,
reach? If it were the Delete key, it would be a long stretch.
Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> > Wow! I found the fn key without trouble. That is a gigantic error for
> > trying to hit the delete key compared to hitting the delete key when
> > trying to hit the + key and catching delete.
> >
> > You must be drinking a hellova more than I ever did. :=)
>
> Now I am completely baffled as to your meaning.
When you accidentally hit the Help (fn) key, what key were you trying to
> > Wow! I found the fn key without trouble. That is a gigantic error for
> > trying to hit the delete key compared to hitting the delete key when
> > trying to hit the + key and catching delete.
> >
> > You must be drinking a hellova more than I ever did. :=)
>
> Now I am completely baffled as to your meaning.
reach? If it were the Delete key, it would be a long stretch.
bj
Oct 15, 2012, 9:41:09 PM10/15/12
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Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In article <michelle-188F7B...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> Apple doesn't pay much attention to individual suggestions or complaints,
>> but it most certainly does when there's a mass of them all about the same
>> thing. The translucent menu bar being just one example.
>>
> What is the best way of sending suggestions to Apple? I sure do not
> know. Maybe we can start a thread here for that purpose. I presume,
> perhaps incorrectly, that someone at Apple looks over the posts to this
> newsgroup.
I would be surprised if they even know Usenet exists.
> In article <michelle-188F7B...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> Apple doesn't pay much attention to individual suggestions or complaints,
>> but it most certainly does when there's a mass of them all about the same
>> thing. The translucent menu bar being just one example.
>>
> What is the best way of sending suggestions to Apple? I sure do not
> know. Maybe we can start a thread here for that purpose. I presume,
> perhaps incorrectly, that someone at Apple looks over the posts to this
> newsgroup.
bj
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GooseMan
Oct 15, 2012, 11:10:24 PM10/15/12
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:06:33 -0700, Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>In article <507b0d44$0$47976$c3e8da3$dd96...@news.astraweb.com>,
> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 12-10-14 05:12, Salmon Egg wrote:
>>
>> > Although I have not checked it out fully, I think my problem of
>> > accidental deletion occurs only with Preview.
>>
>> Could be because the type of images you are looking at with Preview
>> causes your heart rate to increase and blood flow to go from one head to
>> the other, causing some distraction on where you should be putting your
>> fingers :-)
>
>Most of that stopped working well a long time ago.
That's what *she* said!
wrote:
>In article <507b0d44$0$47976$c3e8da3$dd96...@news.astraweb.com>,
> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 12-10-14 05:12, Salmon Egg wrote:
>>
>> > Although I have not checked it out fully, I think my problem of
>> > accidental deletion occurs only with Preview.
>>
>> Could be because the type of images you are looking at with Preview
>> causes your heart rate to increase and blood flow to go from one head to
>> the other, causing some distraction on where you should be putting your
>> fingers :-)
>
>Most of that stopped working well a long time ago.
ChairmanOfTheBored
Oct 15, 2012, 11:13:36 PM10/15/12
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:41:09 -0500, bj <addre...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Volkswagens, yes. Usenet, no.
Go figure.
I'd rather go to some Linux dweeb party than an Apple party though.
wrote:
Go figure.
I'd rather go to some Linux dweeb party than an Apple party though.
nospam
Oct 15, 2012, 11:33:11 PM10/15/12
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In article <u3kp781kvjko3c9ft...@4ax.com>,
ChairmanOfTheBored <RUB...@crackasmile.org> wrote:
> I'd rather go to some Linux dweeb party than an Apple party though.
you clearly haven't been to any apple parties.
> I'd rather go to some Linux dweeb party than an Apple party though.
Wes Groleau
Oct 16, 2012, 12:07:20 AM10/16/12
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On 10-15-2012 21:38, Salmon Egg wrote:
> In article <k5ici1$43m$2...@dont-email.me>,
> Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>
>>> Wow! I found the fn key without trouble. That is a gigantic error for
>>> trying to hit the delete key compared to hitting the delete key when
>>> trying to hit the + key and catching delete.
>>>
>>> You must be drinking a hellova more than I ever did. :=)
>>
>> Now I am completely baffled as to your meaning.
>
> When you accidentally hit the Help (fn) key, what key were you trying to
> reach? If it were the Delete key, it would be a long stretch.
I didn't accidentally hit the help key. You said you couldn't find it,
> In article <k5ici1$43m$2...@dont-email.me>,
> Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>
>>> Wow! I found the fn key without trouble. That is a gigantic error for
>>> trying to hit the delete key compared to hitting the delete key when
>>> trying to hit the + key and catching delete.
>>>
>>> You must be drinking a hellova more than I ever did. :=)
>>
>> Now I am completely baffled as to your meaning.
>
> When you accidentally hit the Help (fn) key, what key were you trying to
> reach? If it were the Delete key, it would be a long stretch.
so I showed you where it is/was (if you had that keyboard).
Although, I can imagine someone hitting it instead of Home or Delete.
I can't ever remember it ever doing anything, though, and I have had
every OS from 9.0 to 10.8 (except 10.2)
Also had 7.5 and 8.1 but without a help key.
--
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Your Name
Oct 16, 2012, 1:16:04 AM10/16/12
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ocassionally hit the Help key instead of the Del or Delete / Backspace
key, and that I'm using on old Apple Design Keyboard - a proper extended
keyboard which has the separate numperpad, cursor keys and Help / Page Up
/ etc. keys.
Your Name
Oct 16, 2012, 1:20:18 AM10/16/12
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In article <SalmonEgg-B59EE...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
strange issues with the aluminium keyboard and wants some sort of
custom-made keyboard just for them. There's already enough variety of
keyboard around - just go and find one you do like.
> Maybe we can start a thread here for that purpose. I presume,
> perhaps incorrectly, that someone at Apple looks over the posts to this
> newsgroup.
Not in any official way.
Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In article <michelle-188F7B...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> > Apple doesn't pay much attention to individual suggestions or complaints,
> > but it most certainly does when there's a mass of them all about the same
> > thing. The translucent menu bar being just one example.
>
> What is the best way of sending suggestions to Apple? I sure do not
> know.
Apple isn't going to listen to one raving looney from the Internet who has
> In article <michelle-188F7B...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> > Apple doesn't pay much attention to individual suggestions or complaints,
> > but it most certainly does when there's a mass of them all about the same
> > thing. The translucent menu bar being just one example.
>
> What is the best way of sending suggestions to Apple? I sure do not
> know.
strange issues with the aluminium keyboard and wants some sort of
custom-made keyboard just for them. There's already enough variety of
keyboard around - just go and find one you do like.
> Maybe we can start a thread here for that purpose. I presume,
> perhaps incorrectly, that someone at Apple looks over the posts to this
> newsgroup.
ChairmanOfTheBored
Oct 16, 2012, 2:17:45 AM10/16/12
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I am talking about something the AppleDork down the street throws, and
you are equating some party the CEO throws upstairs in the board room.
Yer not doing the math, Biden.
JF Mezei
Oct 16, 2012, 2:18:31 AM10/16/12
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On 12-10-15 20:14, Salmon Egg wrote:
> their product. While my suggestions may not be that important, I get the
> impression that Apple does not care about what their users need.
they care, as long as it does not conflict with their marketing
> impression that Apple does not care about what their users need.
intentions or (in the past at least) Job's beliefs of where computers
are headed.
JF Mezei
Oct 16, 2012, 2:22:16 AM10/16/12
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On 12-10-15 22:32, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> If anyone at Apple reads this newsgroup, it's a personal thing, and not
> part of the job.
large companies have sigificant teams that deal with social media. So
Apple would have people whose jobs is to monitor conversations such as
what we are having here.
However, whether they know about newsgroups is another matter alltogether.
> If anyone at Apple reads this newsgroup, it's a personal thing, and not
> part of the job.
large companies have sigificant teams that deal with social media. So
Apple would have people whose jobs is to monitor conversations such as
what we are having here.
However, whether they know about newsgroups is another matter alltogether.
zulu
Oct 16, 2012, 9:45:53 AM10/16/12
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"Michelle Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-7B1CF1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <SalmonEgg-B59EE...@news60.forteinc.com>,
> Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> What is the best way of sending suggestions to Apple? I sure do not
>> know. Maybe we can start a thread here for that purpose. I presume,
>> perhaps incorrectly, that someone at Apple looks over the posts to this
>> newsgroup.
>
>> know. Maybe we can start a thread here for that purpose. I presume,
>> perhaps incorrectly, that someone at Apple looks over the posts to this
>> newsgroup.
>
> If anyone at Apple reads this newsgroup, it's a personal thing, and not
> part of the job.
Well it BLOODYWELL SHOULD BE.
> part of the job.
They might learn a thing or three.
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Oct 16, 2012, 9:45:53 PM10/16/12
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How to argue interminably over the meaning of a word, just for starters.
How to prioritize having the last word over eating, sleeping, and bathing.
How to recognize a troll and yet fall into his trap anyway.
--
Wes Groleau
“A miracle is a violation of the laws of nature, and as a
firm and unalterable experience has established these laws,
the proof against a miracle, from the very nature of the fact,
is as entire as could possibly be imagined.”
— David Hume, age 37
“There's no such thing of that, 'cause I never heard of it.”
— Becky Groleau, age 4
zulu
Oct 17, 2012, 4:21:08 AM10/17/12
to
"Wes Groleau" <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote in message
news:k5l2ki$pca$1...@dont-email.me...
> On 10-16-2012 09:45, zulu wrote:
>> "Michelle Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
>> news:michelle-7B1CF1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> In article <SalmonEgg-B59EE...@news60.forteinc.com>,
>>> Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is the best way of sending suggestions to Apple? I sure do not
>>>> know. Maybe we can start a thread here for that purpose. I presume,
>>>> perhaps incorrectly, that someone at Apple looks over the posts to this
>>>> newsgroup.
>>>
>>> If anyone at Apple reads this newsgroup, it's a personal thing, and not
>>> part of the job.
>>
>> Well it BLOODYWELL SHOULD BE.
>> They might learn a thing or three.
>
> Indeed.
>
> How to argue interminably over the meaning of a word, just for starters.
>
> How to prioritize having the last word over eating, sleeping, and bathing.
>
> How to recognize a troll and yet fall into his trap anyway.
>
YMMV
>> "Michelle Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
>> news:michelle-7B1CF1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> In article <SalmonEgg-B59EE...@news60.forteinc.com>,
>>> Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is the best way of sending suggestions to Apple? I sure do not
>>>> know. Maybe we can start a thread here for that purpose. I presume,
>>>> perhaps incorrectly, that someone at Apple looks over the posts to this
>>>> newsgroup.
>>>
>>> If anyone at Apple reads this newsgroup, it's a personal thing, and not
>>> part of the job.
>>
>> Well it BLOODYWELL SHOULD BE.
>> They might learn a thing or three.
>
> Indeed.
>
> How to argue interminably over the meaning of a word, just for starters.
>
> How to prioritize having the last word over eating, sleeping, and bathing.
>
> How to recognize a troll and yet fall into his trap anyway.
>
--
zulu
Salmon Egg
Oct 17, 2012, 5:51:14 AM10/17/12
to
In article <michelle-6C71F2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <SalmonEgg-9A9E1...@news60.forteinc.com>,
I can picture that. Nevertheless, I believe a small design change
(smaller key caps) would greatly reduce that kind of error. Irritating
as that may, I do not think that is as irritating as recovering files
from the trash. So far I have not lost any files.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <SalmonEgg-9A9E1...@news60.forteinc.com>,
> Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > When you accidentally hit the Help (fn) key, what key were you trying to
> > reach? If it were the Delete key, it would be a long stretch.
>
> but if it were the forward delete key, it wouldn't.
>
> > When you accidentally hit the Help (fn) key, what key were you trying to
> > reach? If it were the Delete key, it would be a long stretch.
>
I can picture that. Nevertheless, I believe a small design change
(smaller key caps) would greatly reduce that kind of error. Irritating
as that may, I do not think that is as irritating as recovering files
from the trash. So far I have not lost any files.
Salmon Egg
Oct 17, 2012, 6:03:40 AM10/17/12
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In article
<YourName-161...@203-118-187-1.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
looney and not to bother them again. At least I would know where I stood
with Apple.
<YourName-161...@203-118-187-1.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> Apple isn't going to listen to one raving looney from the Internet who has
> strange issues with the aluminium keyboard and wants some sort of
> custom-made keyboard just for them. There's already enough variety of
> keyboard around - just go and find one you do like.
As one looney to another, I would like Apple to tell me that I am a
> Apple isn't going to listen to one raving looney from the Internet who has
> strange issues with the aluminium keyboard and wants some sort of
> custom-made keyboard just for them. There's already enough variety of
> keyboard around - just go and find one you do like.
looney and not to bother them again. At least I would know where I stood
with Apple.
Fred Moore
Oct 17, 2012, 10:36:48 AM10/17/12
to
In article <k5l2ki$pca$1...@dont-email.me>,
(but everyone here already knows that)
--
For the cost of the Iraq War Crime (~$808 Billion, so far & just
*direct* costs), we could literally fund PBS ($450 Million/year) for
~1800 years!
Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 10-16-2012 09:45, zulu wrote:
> > "Michelle Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
> > news:michelle-7B1CF1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> In article <SalmonEgg-B59EE...@news60.forteinc.com>,
> >> Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What is the best way of sending suggestions to Apple? I sure do not
> >>> know. Maybe we can start a thread here for that purpose. I presume,
> >>> perhaps incorrectly, that someone at Apple looks over the posts to this
> >>> newsgroup.
> >>
> >> If anyone at Apple reads this newsgroup, it's a personal thing, and not
> >> part of the job.
> >
> > Well it BLOODYWELL SHOULD BE.
> > They might learn a thing or three.
>
> Indeed.
>
> How to argue interminably over the meaning of a word, just for starters.
>
> How to prioritize having the last word over eating, sleeping, and bathing.
>
> How to recognize a troll and yet fall into his trap anyway.
Usenet, the ultimate paradigm for humanity!
> On 10-16-2012 09:45, zulu wrote:
> > "Michelle Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
> > news:michelle-7B1CF1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> In article <SalmonEgg-B59EE...@news60.forteinc.com>,
> >> Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What is the best way of sending suggestions to Apple? I sure do not
> >>> know. Maybe we can start a thread here for that purpose. I presume,
> >>> perhaps incorrectly, that someone at Apple looks over the posts to this
> >>> newsgroup.
> >>
> >> If anyone at Apple reads this newsgroup, it's a personal thing, and not
> >> part of the job.
> >
> > Well it BLOODYWELL SHOULD BE.
> > They might learn a thing or three.
>
> Indeed.
>
> How to argue interminably over the meaning of a word, just for starters.
>
> How to prioritize having the last word over eating, sleeping, and bathing.
>
> How to recognize a troll and yet fall into his trap anyway.
(but everyone here already knows that)
--
For the cost of the Iraq War Crime (~$808 Billion, so far & just
*direct* costs), we could literally fund PBS ($450 Million/year) for
~1800 years!
bj
Oct 17, 2012, 10:49:00 AM10/17/12
to
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <507cfd18$0$37012$c3e8da3$f017...@news.astraweb.com>,
> wouldn't waste their time with such a minor venue as newsgroups.
> officially) newsgroups. That's where I learned that newsgroups exist.
When I go in there & mention Usenet or newsgroups they don't even know what
I'm talking about, let alone what s/w would be good to use for them on a
Mac. They are amazed when I tell them text groups are not just faster but
more easily searched than the clunky page-by-page "help" forums in style
today -- and that you can d/l it all for offline use when you don't have
free online access. Gosh! What a concept! Not actually connected 24/7! But
still able to get something done! (they're quite polite to this old fogey
but I doubt any of them looks any of this up later....)
bj
just another dinosaur
> In article <507cfd18$0$37012$c3e8da3$f017...@news.astraweb.com>,
> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>>> If anyone at Apple reads this newsgroup, it's a personal thing, and
>>> not part of the job.
>>
>> large companies have sigificant teams that deal with social media. So
>> Apple would have people whose jobs is to monitor conversations such as
>> what we are having here.
>
> They would be on Apple's web-based forums, Facebook, and the like. They
>
>>> If anyone at Apple reads this newsgroup, it's a personal thing, and
>>> not part of the job.
>>
>> large companies have sigificant teams that deal with social media. So
>> Apple would have people whose jobs is to monitor conversations such as
>> what we are having here.
>
> wouldn't waste their time with such a minor venue as newsgroups.
>
>> However, whether they know about newsgroups is another matter
>> alltogether.
>
> When I worked there, employees knew about and used (personally, not
>> However, whether they know about newsgroups is another matter
>> alltogether.
>
> officially) newsgroups. That's where I learned that newsgroups exist.
When I go in there & mention Usenet or newsgroups they don't even know what
I'm talking about, let alone what s/w would be good to use for them on a
Mac. They are amazed when I tell them text groups are not just faster but
more easily searched than the clunky page-by-page "help" forums in style
today -- and that you can d/l it all for offline use when you don't have
free online access. Gosh! What a concept! Not actually connected 24/7! But
still able to get something done! (they're quite polite to this old fogey
but I doubt any of them looks any of this up later....)
bj
just another dinosaur
Message has been deleted
Todd Allcock
Oct 17, 2012, 12:11:26 PM10/17/12
to
to their help forums. You could use a their web interface in a browser,
or access the same forum via usenet. When MS "upgraded" to a newer
prettier (and much slower) forum style three years ago, they didn't
bother adapting it for usenet and shut down their usenet servers. One MS
MVP took it upon himself to write a "usenet bridge" app to allow access
to the forums with a usenet client, but at the time MS was constantly
tweaking the forum software which constantly broke his app and he
eventually grew tired of trying to keep it working and threw in the towel.
Your Name
Oct 17, 2012, 4:08:00 PM10/17/12
to
In article <SalmonEgg-423FC...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
They don't have the staff, time, nor inclination to respond to all of
them.
Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In article
> <YourName-161...@203-118-187-1.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> >
> > Apple isn't going to listen to one raving looney from the Internet who has
> > strange issues with the aluminium keyboard and wants some sort of
> > custom-made keyboard just for them. There's already enough variety of
> > keyboard around - just go and find one you do like.
>
> As one looney to another, I would like Apple to tell me that I am a
> looney and not to bother them again. At least I would know where I stood
> with Apple.
Like any big company, Apple gets bazilions of emails a day from loonies.
> In article
> <YourName-161...@203-118-187-1.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> >
> > Apple isn't going to listen to one raving looney from the Internet who has
> > strange issues with the aluminium keyboard and wants some sort of
> > custom-made keyboard just for them. There's already enough variety of
> > keyboard around - just go and find one you do like.
>
> As one looney to another, I would like Apple to tell me that I am a
> looney and not to bother them again. At least I would know where I stood
> with Apple.
They don't have the staff, time, nor inclination to respond to all of
them.
Your Name
Oct 17, 2012, 4:09:04 PM10/17/12
to
In article <SalmonEgg-C3F87...@news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon
Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In article <michelle-6C71F2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> > In article <SalmonEgg-9A9E1...@news60.forteinc.com>,
> > Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > > When you accidentally hit the Help (fn) key, what key were you trying to
> > > reach? If it were the Delete key, it would be a long stretch.
> >
> > but if it were the forward delete key, it wouldn't.
>
> I can picture that. Nevertheless, I believe a small design change
> (smaller key caps) would greatly reduce that kind of error. Irritating
> as that may, I do not think that is as irritating as recovering files
> from the trash. So far I have not lost any files.
Then go out and buy a keyboard with smaller, more spread out keys.
> In article <michelle-6C71F2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> > In article <SalmonEgg-9A9E1...@news60.forteinc.com>,
> > Salmon Egg <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > > When you accidentally hit the Help (fn) key, what key were you trying to
> > > reach? If it were the Delete key, it would be a long stretch.
> >
> > but if it were the forward delete key, it wouldn't.
>
> I can picture that. Nevertheless, I believe a small design change
> (smaller key caps) would greatly reduce that kind of error. Irritating
> as that may, I do not think that is as irritating as recovering files
> from the trash. So far I have not lost any files.
Your Name
Oct 17, 2012, 4:10:53 PM10/17/12
to
In article
<2045139825372177437.064027...@news.giganews.com>,
<2045139825372177437.064027...@news.giganews.com>,
bj <addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> When I go in there & mention Usenet or newsgroups they don't even know what
> I'm talking about, let alone what s/w would be good to use for them on a
> Mac. They are amazed when I tell them text groups are not just faster but
> more easily searched than the clunky page-by-page "help" forums in style
> today -- and that you can d/l it all for offline use when you don't have
> free online access. Gosh! What a concept! Not actually connected 24/7! But
> still able to get something done! (they're quite polite to this old fogey
> but I doubt any of them looks any of this up later....)
Most ISPs don't know what Usenet is, even when they had their own newsservers!
>
> When I go in there & mention Usenet or newsgroups they don't even know what
> I'm talking about, let alone what s/w would be good to use for them on a
> Mac. They are amazed when I tell them text groups are not just faster but
> more easily searched than the clunky page-by-page "help" forums in style
> today -- and that you can d/l it all for offline use when you don't have
> free online access. Gosh! What a concept! Not actually connected 24/7! But
> still able to get something done! (they're quite polite to this old fogey
> but I doubt any of them looks any of this up later....)
AaronL
Oct 17, 2012, 5:25:43 PM10/17/12
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Todd Allcock <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>When MS "upgraded" to a newer
>prettier (and much slower) forum style three years ago, they didn't
>bother adapting it for usenet and shut down their usenet servers.
Would that be the microsoft.public groups? My provider (Giganews)
>When MS "upgraded" to a newer
>prettier (and much slower) forum style three years ago, they didn't
>bother adapting it for usenet and shut down their usenet servers.
still has hundreds of those. Microsoft can abandon Usenet but Usenet
can't be abandoned by Microsoft... :) I just checked and was
surprised to find some still active. Most appear dead though.
Todd Allcock
Oct 18, 2012, 1:08:05 AM10/18/12
to
any MS support forums, nor can you access them from the now defunct
news.microsoft.com servers.
Salmon Egg
Oct 18, 2012, 11:56:35 PM10/18/12
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In article
<YourName-181...@203-118-187-250.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
former employer's, and my family's dollars has gone to Apple over the
years. At one time, because of me, Apple supplanted Wintel from an
education project at a local school because I informed Apple marketing
of the situation.
<YourName-181...@203-118-187-250.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> Like any big company, Apple gets bazilions of emails a day from loonies.
> They don't have the staff, time, nor inclination to respond to all of
> them.
Maybe not bazilions. bit tens of thousands of my, not to mention my
> Like any big company, Apple gets bazilions of emails a day from loonies.
> They don't have the staff, time, nor inclination to respond to all of
> them.
former employer's, and my family's dollars has gone to Apple over the
years. At one time, because of me, Apple supplanted Wintel from an
education project at a local school because I informed Apple marketing
of the situation.
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