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Liam O'Connor
Feb 25, 2014, 10:15:16 PM2/25/14
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I want to have an icon for an app in two places on my ipad home screen, but
I can only get one icon that I can move to only one location.
How do I put an icon in two places on the ipad?
For example, let's say I want to put the Camera app in a folder called
"multimedia" and also on the quick bar on the home screen.
How do I put the Camera app in two different locations on the ipad?
I can only get one icon that I can move to only one location.
How do I put an icon in two places on the ipad?
For example, let's say I want to put the Camera app in a folder called
"multimedia" and also on the quick bar on the home screen.
How do I put the Camera app in two different locations on the ipad?
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Feb 25, 2014, 10:49:11 PM2/25/14
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> I want to have an icon for an app in two places on my ipad home screen, but
> I can only get one icon that I can move to only one location.
>
> How do I put an icon in two places on the ipad?
you don't.
> I want to have an icon for an app in two places on my ipad home screen, but
> I can only get one icon that I can move to only one location.
>
> How do I put an icon in two places on the ipad?
AV3
Feb 26, 2014, 2:02:09 AM2/26/14
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bottom of each page. I haven't tried putting the camera down there alone
or in the Utilities folder or in any other folder acceptable for that
bar, but what have you tried? Of course, that would put it on each page,
not just two, if it worked.
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HankG
Feb 26, 2014, 6:04:44 PM2/26/14
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> On Feb/25/2014 5:1516 PM, Liam O'Connor wrote:
>> I want to have an icon for an app in two places on my ipad home screen,
>> but
>> I can only get one icon that I can move to only one location.
>>
>> How do I put an icon in two places on the ipad?
>>
>> For example, let's say I want to put the Camera app in a folder called
>> "multimedia" and also on the quick bar on the home screen.
>>
>> How do I put the Camera app in two different locations on the ipad?
>
>
> I have almost a dozen apps in my "Utilities" folder in the bar at the
> bottom of each page. I haven't tried putting the camera down there alone
> or in the Utilities folder or in any other folder acceptable for that bar,
> but what have you tried? Of course, that would put it on each page, not
> just two, if it worked.
I have 2 folders in my control panel (bottom of screen). It works perfectly
>> I want to have an icon for an app in two places on my ipad home screen,
>> but
>> I can only get one icon that I can move to only one location.
>>
>> How do I put an icon in two places on the ipad?
>>
>> For example, let's say I want to put the Camera app in a folder called
>> "multimedia" and also on the quick bar on the home screen.
>>
>> How do I put the Camera app in two different locations on the ipad?
>
>
> I have almost a dozen apps in my "Utilities" folder in the bar at the
> bottom of each page. I haven't tried putting the camera down there alone
> or in the Utilities folder or in any other folder acceptable for that bar,
> but what have you tried? Of course, that would put it on each page, not
> just two, if it worked.
fine.
HankG
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Liam O'Connor
Feb 28, 2014, 4:23:53 AM2/28/14
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:02:09 -0500, AV3 wrote:
> I haven't tried putting the camera down there alone
> or in the Utilities folder or in any other folder acceptable for that
> bar, but what have you tried? Of course, that would put it on each page,
> not just two, if it worked.
I tried to put the camera app in the bottom bar, and in a folder called
> I haven't tried putting the camera down there alone
> or in the Utilities folder or in any other folder acceptable for that
> bar, but what have you tried? Of course, that would put it on each page,
> not just two, if it worked.
"multimedia".
It won't do it.
I'm not sure why not.
You can easily do it on Android.
Liam O'Connor
Feb 28, 2014, 4:25:02 AM2/28/14
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:04:44 -0500, HankG wrote:
> I have 2 folders in my control panel (bottom of screen). It works perfectly
> fine.
We're not talking folders.
> I have 2 folders in my control panel (bottom of screen). It works perfectly
> fine.
We're talking apps.
I can easily put an app in multiple locations on Android, but when I try to
duplicate the ease of use on iPhone, I can't.
I don't understand why something so simple on Android should be so hard on
the iPhone.
nospam
Feb 28, 2014, 4:39:42 AM2/28/14
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<35297$53100fa7$43da7656$28...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
> I don't understand why something so simple on Android should be so hard on
> the iPhone.
it's not a question of being simple to do, but rather it would be
confusing.
consider if a user forgets they have an app in two places and then they
go to delete it, but it isn't actually deleted because the only deleted
one and the other still exists somewhere else.
it's also not that important because with a swipe, you can quickly find
it wherever it is.
<35297$53100fa7$43da7656$28...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> I can easily put an app in multiple locations on Android, but when I try to
> duplicate the ease of use on iPhone, I can't.
apps cannot be in two places at once.
> I can easily put an app in multiple locations on Android, but when I try to
> duplicate the ease of use on iPhone, I can't.
> I don't understand why something so simple on Android should be so hard on
> the iPhone.
confusing.
consider if a user forgets they have an app in two places and then they
go to delete it, but it isn't actually deleted because the only deleted
one and the other still exists somewhere else.
it's also not that important because with a swipe, you can quickly find
it wherever it is.
nospam
Feb 28, 2014, 4:39:44 AM2/28/14
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<22732$53100f63$43da7656$28...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
tap & hold until the icons jiggle and then rearrange as desired.
the folder has to already exist in the toolbar. you can't create it
there. create the folder first and then move it there. once there, you
can add or remove.
or do it in itunes and sync, however, its folder management is a total
fustercluck now.
<22732$53100f63$43da7656$28...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> I tried to put the camera app in the bottom bar, and in a folder called
> "multimedia".
>
> It won't do it.
> I'm not sure why not.
>
> You can easily do it on Android.
easy to do on ios too.
> I tried to put the camera app in the bottom bar, and in a folder called
> "multimedia".
>
> It won't do it.
> I'm not sure why not.
>
> You can easily do it on Android.
tap & hold until the icons jiggle and then rearrange as desired.
the folder has to already exist in the toolbar. you can't create it
there. create the folder first and then move it there. once there, you
can add or remove.
or do it in itunes and sync, however, its folder management is a total
fustercluck now.
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Doc O'Leary
Feb 28, 2014, 4:31:07 PM2/28/14
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Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
<22732$53100f63$43da7656$28...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>,
Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> You can easily do it on Android.
If someone told you that iOS and Android did things identically, they
lied to you. You can also easily view the underlying file system on
Android, which Apple also abstracts away. If these sorts of things are
deal breakers, stick to Android.
The Apple approach (for app icons, at least) is that it is easier to
keep track of one thing when there is only one of them to keep track of.
No need to deal with linking or copies or multiple versions. Want to
delete an app? You can easily do it on iOS.
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Liam O'Connor
Feb 28, 2014, 5:43:45 PM2/28/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 10:31:07 -0600, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> The Apple approach (for app icons, at least) is that it is easier to
> keep track of one thing when there is only one of them to keep track of.
> No need to deal with linking or copies or multiple versions. Want to
> delete an app? You can easily do it on iOS.
Thank you for that advice. I'm ok with the Apple mentality that
> The Apple approach (for app icons, at least) is that it is easier to
> keep track of one thing when there is only one of them to keep track of.
> No need to deal with linking or copies or multiple versions. Want to
> delete an app? You can easily do it on iOS.
they know better than you, and if you can't do it on the iPad,
then you just give up trying.
I was just surprised, that's all, that it's harder to do something
as simple as putting a desktop shortcut where I want it on the iPad.
I guess because it's so trivially simple on Android, that I had
expected it to be as easy (or even easier) on the iPhone. But, it's
not. And that is the way it is.
It's ok if it's different than Android. It was just unexpectedly hard.
The answer is that it can't be done.
I understand that Apple customers give up with less of a fight
than do Android customers. It makes sense. In order to keep the
interface simple on iOS, they don't let you do most things.
I'm ok with that. I was just thinking that I must have been
doing something wrong. Now I know I was doing it right.
nospam
Feb 28, 2014, 6:49:56 PM2/28/14
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what you can't do is have two or more icons for one app.
that can cause user confusion. maybe not to you but to most users it
will.
<79934$5310cadb$43da7656$5...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > The Apple approach (for app icons, at least) is that it is easier to
> > keep track of one thing when there is only one of them to keep track of.
> > No need to deal with linking or copies or multiple versions. Want to
> > delete an app? You can easily do it on iOS.
>
> Thank you for that advice. I'm ok with the Apple mentality that
> they know better than you, and if you can't do it on the iPad,
> then you just give up trying.
>
> I was just surprised, that's all, that it's harder to do something
> as simple as putting a desktop shortcut where I want it on the iPad.
you can put an icon anywhere you want.
> > The Apple approach (for app icons, at least) is that it is easier to
> > keep track of one thing when there is only one of them to keep track of.
> > No need to deal with linking or copies or multiple versions. Want to
> > delete an app? You can easily do it on iOS.
>
> Thank you for that advice. I'm ok with the Apple mentality that
> they know better than you, and if you can't do it on the iPad,
> then you just give up trying.
>
> I was just surprised, that's all, that it's harder to do something
> as simple as putting a desktop shortcut where I want it on the iPad.
what you can't do is have two or more icons for one app.
that can cause user confusion. maybe not to you but to most users it
will.
Michelle Steiner
Feb 28, 2014, 7:05:05 PM2/28/14
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isn't done on the iPad. The paradigms between the two OSes are
different.
If you want an icon to appear on every page of the Springboard, put it
on the Dock; you have up to five items on the Dock. If you want more
than five, put a folder on the Dock, and put the overage into the
folder; this has been explained to you numerous times.
If you want an icon to appear on only a few select pages of the
Springboard, and not on others, that can't be done; however, you can
use Spotlight to open an app regardless of where its icon is located.
Finally, if you want the iPad to do everything that Android can do in
the same way that Android does it, get rid of the iPad and get an
Android tablet.
<79934$5310cadb$43da7656$5...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> I was just surprised, that's all, that it's harder to do something
> as simple as putting a desktop shortcut where I want it on the iPad.
As as been pointed out to you, it's not harder on the iPad; it just
> I was just surprised, that's all, that it's harder to do something
> as simple as putting a desktop shortcut where I want it on the iPad.
isn't done on the iPad. The paradigms between the two OSes are
different.
If you want an icon to appear on every page of the Springboard, put it
on the Dock; you have up to five items on the Dock. If you want more
than five, put a folder on the Dock, and put the overage into the
folder; this has been explained to you numerous times.
If you want an icon to appear on only a few select pages of the
Springboard, and not on others, that can't be done; however, you can
use Spotlight to open an app regardless of where its icon is located.
Finally, if you want the iPad to do everything that Android can do in
the same way that Android does it, get rid of the iPad and get an
Android tablet.
Liam O'Connor
Feb 28, 2014, 7:19:10 PM2/28/14
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On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 23:39:42 -0500, nospam wrote:
> it's not a question of being simple to do, but rather it would be
> confusing.
I do understand.
> it's not a question of being simple to do, but rather it would be
> confusing.
It's a different philosophy.
It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
download a free app from the app store, and I have to jump through hoops to
get rid of my credit card, while, on Android, I never have to enter my
password nor credit card to download a free app.
I guess it's just a different philosophy - but - I had expected to find the
Apple devices SIMPLER to use than Android. Not harder.
Liam O'Connor
Feb 28, 2014, 7:19:55 PM2/28/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 11:09:13 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
> Duplicating an icon isn't hard on an iPhone, it is impossible.
Thanks. I do understand.
Once I get that, it's simpler.
Simply because it can't be done.
> Duplicating an icon isn't hard on an iPhone, it is impossible.
Thanks. I do understand.
Once I get that, it's simpler.
Simply because it can't be done.
Liam O'Connor
Feb 28, 2014, 7:20:25 PM2/28/14
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 23:44:28 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
> Right, you can only have an app in one location.
I get it now.
It takes a while to get used to the different philosophy.
> Right, you can only have an app in one location.
I get it now.
It takes a while to get used to the different philosophy.
nospam
Feb 28, 2014, 8:16:25 PM2/28/14
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In article <280220141205057399%mich...@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> If you want an icon to appear on every page of the Springboard, put it
> on the Dock; you have up to five items on the Dock. If you want more
> than five, put a folder on the Dock, and put the overage into the
> folder; this has been explained to you numerous times.
it's six items on an ipad and four on an iphone, unless jailbroken.
> If you want an icon to appear on every page of the Springboard, put it
> on the Dock; you have up to five items on the Dock. If you want more
> than five, put a folder on the Dock, and put the overage into the
> folder; this has been explained to you numerous times.
nospam
Feb 28, 2014, 8:16:27 PM2/28/14
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there is also no need to enter a credit card number on an ios device to
make a purchase (at least in the app store - a third party store might
want it). credit card information is kept on file *if* you supply one
(it's not required).
on the iphone 5s, you only need to touch a finger to authenticate a
purchase. no password needed.
> I guess it's just a different philosophy - but - I had expected to find the
> Apple devices SIMPLER to use than Android. Not harder.
that's why it's not offered.
having multiple icons for one app makes it harder and more confusing.
<56f73$5310e138$43da7656$10...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > it's not a question of being simple to do, but rather it would be
> > confusing.
>
> I do understand.
>
> It's a different philosophy.
>
> It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
> download a free app from the app store, and I have to jump through hoops to
> get rid of my credit card, while, on Android, I never have to enter my
> password nor credit card to download a free app.
if you don't need to authenticate, it's easier to hack.
> > it's not a question of being simple to do, but rather it would be
> > confusing.
>
> I do understand.
>
> It's a different philosophy.
>
> It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
> download a free app from the app store, and I have to jump through hoops to
> get rid of my credit card, while, on Android, I never have to enter my
> password nor credit card to download a free app.
there is also no need to enter a credit card number on an ios device to
make a purchase (at least in the app store - a third party store might
want it). credit card information is kept on file *if* you supply one
(it's not required).
on the iphone 5s, you only need to touch a finger to authenticate a
purchase. no password needed.
> I guess it's just a different philosophy - but - I had expected to find the
> Apple devices SIMPLER to use than Android. Not harder.
having multiple icons for one app makes it harder and more confusing.
Michelle Steiner
Feb 28, 2014, 9:43:38 PM2/28/14
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add any more.
> and four on an iphone, unless jailbroken.
True, but irrelevant to a discussion about the iPad.
<nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > If you want an icon to appear on every page of the Springboard, put it
> > on the Dock; you have up to five items on the Dock. If you want more
> > than five, put a folder on the Dock, and put the overage into the
> > folder; this has been explained to you numerous times.
>
> it's six items on an ipad
Oh, OK. I have five on mine, and it looked full, so I didn't try to
> > If you want an icon to appear on every page of the Springboard, put it
> > on the Dock; you have up to five items on the Dock. If you want more
> > than five, put a folder on the Dock, and put the overage into the
> > folder; this has been explained to you numerous times.
>
> it's six items on an ipad
add any more.
> and four on an iphone, unless jailbroken.
Michelle Steiner
Feb 28, 2014, 9:53:01 PM2/28/14
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information, payment information, and tap "none". That's not exactly
jumping through hoops.
> while, on Android, I never have to enter my
> password nor credit card to download a free app.
That means that anyone who gains physical access to your Android device
can download all the free apps he wishes.
Oh, and you don't need a credit card to download free apps on an iPad.
But if you don't have a credit card entered, the only apps you can
download are the free ones.
<56f73$5310e138$43da7656$10...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
> download a free app from the app store, and I have to jump through hoops to
> get rid of my credit card,
Gee, to get rid of a credit card on the iPad, you go to account
> It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
> download a free app from the app store, and I have to jump through hoops to
> get rid of my credit card,
information, payment information, and tap "none". That's not exactly
jumping through hoops.
> while, on Android, I never have to enter my
> password nor credit card to download a free app.
can download all the free apps he wishes.
Oh, and you don't need a credit card to download free apps on an iPad.
But if you don't have a credit card entered, the only apps you can
download are the free ones.
Michelle Steiner
Feb 28, 2014, 9:53:09 PM2/28/14
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can download as many as you want within that time period.
<56f73$5310e138$43da7656$10...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
> download a free app from the app store,
No you don't. There's a time limit for which the password is good; you
> It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
> download a free app from the app store,
can download as many as you want within that time period.
nospam
Feb 28, 2014, 10:09:58 PM2/28/14
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In article <280220141453011986%mich...@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> > while, on Android, I never have to enter my
> > password nor credit card to download a free app.
>
> That means that anyone who gains physical access to your Android device
> can download all the free apps he wishes.
>
> Oh, and you don't need a credit card to download free apps on an iPad.
> But if you don't have a credit card entered, the only apps you can
> download are the free ones.
incorrect.
you don't need a credit card to download *any* apps, paid or free.
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
> > download a free app from the app store, and I have to jump through hoops to
> > get rid of my credit card,
>
> Gee, to get rid of a credit card on the iPad, you go to account
> information, payment information, and tap "none". That's not exactly
> jumping through hoops.
or not enter a credit card number in the first place.
> > It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
> > download a free app from the app store, and I have to jump through hoops to
> > get rid of my credit card,
>
> Gee, to get rid of a credit card on the iPad, you go to account
> information, payment information, and tap "none". That's not exactly
> jumping through hoops.
> > while, on Android, I never have to enter my
> > password nor credit card to download a free app.
>
> That means that anyone who gains physical access to your Android device
> can download all the free apps he wishes.
>
> Oh, and you don't need a credit card to download free apps on an iPad.
> But if you don't have a credit card entered, the only apps you can
> download are the free ones.
you don't need a credit card to download *any* apps, paid or free.
Michelle Steiner
Feb 28, 2014, 11:16:32 PM2/28/14
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card, which means that one was entered in the first place. Please
learn to read for comprehension.
> > Oh, and you don't need a credit card to download free apps on an iPad.
> > But if you don't have a credit card entered, the only apps you can
> > download are the free ones.
>
> incorrect.
>
> you don't need a credit card to download *any* apps, paid or free.
Yeah, you can enter a gift card number instead of a credit-card number,
but that's nit picking, which is something you're very good at doing
because you're an obnoxious twit who loves to pick arguments for the
sake of being argumentative.
And that's not ad hominem; it's a statement of fact.
<nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > > It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
> > > download a free app from the app store, and I have to jump through hoops
> > > to
> > > get rid of my credit card,
> >
> > Gee, to get rid of a credit card on the iPad, you go to account
> > information, payment information, and tap "none". That's not exactly
> > jumping through hoops.
>
> or not enter a credit card number in the first place.
he was complaining about the presumed difficulty of removing a credit
> > > It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
> > > download a free app from the app store, and I have to jump through hoops
> > > to
> > > get rid of my credit card,
> >
> > Gee, to get rid of a credit card on the iPad, you go to account
> > information, payment information, and tap "none". That's not exactly
> > jumping through hoops.
>
> or not enter a credit card number in the first place.
card, which means that one was entered in the first place. Please
learn to read for comprehension.
> > Oh, and you don't need a credit card to download free apps on an iPad.
> > But if you don't have a credit card entered, the only apps you can
> > download are the free ones.
>
> incorrect.
>
> you don't need a credit card to download *any* apps, paid or free.
but that's nit picking, which is something you're very good at doing
because you're an obnoxious twit who loves to pick arguments for the
sake of being argumentative.
And that's not ad hominem; it's a statement of fact.
Liam O'Connor
Feb 28, 2014, 11:31:41 PM2/28/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:49:56 -0500, nospam wrote:
> what you can't do is have two or more icons for one app.
Only after you told me, it's now "intuitive" to me that
> what you can't do is have two or more icons for one app.
I can only have one icon per app on the iOS.
But, it wasn't "intuitive" until you (everyone) told me that.
I wonder if there is a word for something that is so simple
and accepted, but, until you're faced with it the first time,
it's not so simple?
Liam O'Connor
Feb 28, 2014, 11:33:00 PM2/28/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 12:05:05 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> As as been pointed out to you, it's not harder on the iPad; it just
> isn't done on the iPad. The paradigms between the two OSes are
> different.
My mistake. I used a poor choice of words.
> As as been pointed out to you, it's not harder on the iPad; it just
> isn't done on the iPad. The paradigms between the two OSes are
> different.
Basically, had I wanted to do it (which I had wanted to do),
it's immensly harder (simply because it can't be done).
However, since it can't be done, it's no longer harder;
it's just not done.
I (belatedly) understand, and don't disagree with you.
Liam O'Connor
Feb 28, 2014, 11:49:15 PM2/28/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 12:05:05 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> if you want the iPad to do everything that Android can do in
> the same way that Android does it, get rid of the iPad and get an
> Android tablet.
Actually, I like having a phone that is Android and an iPad
> the same way that Android does it, get rid of the iPad and get an
> Android tablet.
that is iOS.
I'd say 90% of the stuff is similar (yes, I do realize Samsung
is being sued for copying the iOS interface tricks).
So it's only the last 10% which is different.
I've only had the iPad for a week so I'm in the middle of my
learning curve, but, so far, I can say the differences are:
1. The biggest difference, by far, is that the antenna+radio
on the iPad is horrible compared to every other device I own.
2. The battery life on the iPad is much better (by far) than
anything else I own (my Android Samsung S3 battery stinks).
3. The Google Play store is roughly the same as the Apple
Apps store, the only real difference being that some apps
aren't on both, but the functionality seems the same (other
than Google Play being easier because it takes far fewer
button clicks to obtain a free app than on iOS).
4. The iPad "Siri" is vastly better than Samsung's "S Voice".
5. The iPad settings are not as disorganized as the Android
settings. Both are idiotically organized (for example, why would
the least used button be the first in the Apple settings?) but
the Apple settings are much less idiotically organized than
are the Android settings (which make absolutely no sense).
6. The iPad is tremendously sensitive to your second hand.
It's as if Apple expects us to all be one-handed wonders.
I can't count the number of times the iOS GUI failed to
respond when the problem was my second hand was touching
the interface (for example, I had to click the "cellular
data" slider over and over and over and over and over again,
just to get it to slide).
7. The iPad folder naming is cute. It's always wrong, but,
I like the idea that it tries to guess what the folder
name should be. Android doesn't even try.
8. The manufacturer's choice of default apps on the iPad is
way better than that of Google+Samsung on the Android phone.
The difference is really huge, where the default Apple apps
are all pretty good, while a good third (or so) of the default
Android apps are nearly worthless.
9. I keep all my app icons in named folders, so I like how
Apple automagically eliminates screens which become empty.
I also like how iOS automatically populates the screen with
the icon for the latest app that you've downloaded. Android
does neither in that Android will leave screens empty, and
Android won't populate the shortcut onto the desktop unless
you explicitly put it there.
10. While battery life isn't a problem yet on the iPad,
I can't seem to figure out how to turn off the GPS yet.
On Android, I can easily turn off the GpS, but, there
are so many other battery-wasting apps constantly running
that the problem is there are too many apps to turn off.
Given these 10 differences between Android and iOS aren't
all that meaningful, I'd say the platforms are pretty
similar.
Liam O'Connor
Feb 28, 2014, 11:50:48 PM2/28/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:16:25 -0500, nospam wrote:
> it's six items on an ipad and four on an iphone, unless jailbroken.
This is good to know.
> it's six items on an ipad and four on an iphone, unless jailbroken.
By way of contrast, on my Android 4.3 smartphone, I can only get
5 icons on what you call the "dock".
nospam
Mar 1, 2014, 12:54:15 AM3/1/14
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In article
<cc814$53111c66$43da7656$40...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
you can create aliases/shortcuts to point to another app which gives
the illusion of it being in two places, but that's just a special file
that points to another file.
you could duplicate an app for a second copy, but the problem there is
they'll both write to the same preference files, which means if you run
both at the same time, it is not going to work out too well.
<cc814$53111c66$43da7656$40...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > what you can't do is have two or more icons for one app.
>
> Only after you told me, it's now "intuitive" to me that
> I can only have one icon per app on the iOS.
>
> But, it wasn't "intuitive" until you (everyone) told me that.
you can't have an app in two places on mac os or windows either.
> > what you can't do is have two or more icons for one app.
>
> Only after you told me, it's now "intuitive" to me that
> I can only have one icon per app on the iOS.
>
> But, it wasn't "intuitive" until you (everyone) told me that.
you can create aliases/shortcuts to point to another app which gives
the illusion of it being in two places, but that's just a special file
that points to another file.
you could duplicate an app for a second copy, but the problem there is
they'll both write to the same preference files, which means if you run
both at the same time, it is not going to work out too well.
nospam
Mar 1, 2014, 12:54:20 AM3/1/14
to
In article
<d79ef$53112085$43da7656$41...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
> 2. The battery life on the iPad is much better (by far) than
> anything else I own (my Android Samsung S3 battery stinks).
true.
> 3. The Google Play store is roughly the same as the Apple
> Apps store, the only real difference being that some apps
> aren't on both,
most of the popular apps are on both, but there are definitely apps on
one but not the other.
some of that has to do with it being easier to write ios apps and that
ios is far more lucrative for developers.
on the other hand, it's possible to do things on android that cannot be
easily done on ios, or not at all. widgets, overlays, access to some of
the device hardware and a lot of bluetooth functionality come to mind.
> but the functionality seems the same (other
> than Google Play being easier because it takes far fewer
> button clicks to obtain a free app than on iOS).
eh? it's one tap for either one.
however, google play wins because you can 'buy' an app (free or not) in
a browser and it shows up only on selected device rather than all of
them, without having to sync.
> 4. The iPad "Siri" is vastly better than Samsung's "S Voice".
try google now, which makes siri look like a toy.
> 5. The iPad settings are not as disorganized as the Android
> settings. Both are idiotically organized (for example, why would
> the least used button be the first in the Apple settings?) but
> the Apple settings are much less idiotically organized than
> are the Android settings (which make absolutely no sense).
what least used button?
if you mean airplane mode, that's *very* common, and in fact, was the
main reason i put settings in the dock prior to ios 7 with its control
center.
> 6. The iPad is tremendously sensitive to your second hand.
> It's as if Apple expects us to all be one-handed wonders.
> I can't count the number of times the iOS GUI failed to
> respond when the problem was my second hand was touching
> the interface (for example, I had to click the "cellular
> data" slider over and over and over and over and over again,
> just to get it to slide).
it shouldn't be. they designed it so that would be minimal, if any.
> 7. The iPad folder naming is cute. It's always wrong, but,
> I like the idea that it tries to guess what the folder
> name should be. Android doesn't even try.
the folder name is based on the category of the apps in the store.
> 8. The manufacturer's choice of default apps on the iPad is
> way better than that of Google+Samsung on the Android phone.
> The difference is really huge, where the default Apple apps
> are all pretty good, while a good third (or so) of the default
> Android apps are nearly worthless.
samsung adds a shitload of bloat.
on a 16 gig samsung s4, you end up with about 9 gig free. from what
i've heard so far, it's *worse* on an s5.
doesn't everyone need golf mode?
> 9. I keep all my app icons in named folders, so I like how
> Apple automagically eliminates screens which become empty.
i never understood why android (at least the ones i've used) don't do
that. what's the point of an empty screen?
on the other hand, you can put the icons wherever you want on android,
which is very nice.
> I also like how iOS automatically populates the screen with
> the icon for the latest app that you've downloaded. Android
> does neither in that Android will leave screens empty, and
> Android won't populate the shortcut onto the desktop unless
> you explicitly put it there.
true, but that can go either way. you might want lesser used apps to be
in the app drawer and not clutter up the screens.
> 10. While battery life isn't a problem yet on the iPad,
> I can't seem to figure out how to turn off the GPS yet.
apps do that and it's rarely, if ever needed.
in most cases, the gps is automatically turned off if you aren't moving
unless the app wants it to be on for some reason, in which case you
would not want it off and the app almost certainly provides a way to
enable/disable it.
other than navigation apps, it's not usually on continually.
however, to be absolutely sure the gps, toggle airplane mode or kill
the app that's using the gps.
> On Android, I can easily turn off the GpS, but, there
> are so many other battery-wasting apps constantly running
> that the problem is there are too many apps to turn off.
that's true too.
> Given these 10 differences between Android and iOS aren't
> all that meaningful, I'd say the platforms are pretty
> similar.
there are advantages and disadvantages to both.
<d79ef$53112085$43da7656$41...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > if you want the iPad to do everything that Android can do in
> > the same way that Android does it, get rid of the iPad and get an
> > Android tablet.
>
> Actually, I like having a phone that is Android and an iPad
> that is iOS.
>
> I'd say 90% of the stuff is similar (yes, I do realize Samsung
> is being sued for copying the iOS interface tricks).
>
> So it's only the last 10% which is different.
> I've only had the iPad for a week so I'm in the middle of my
> learning curve, but, so far, I can say the differences are:
>
> 1. The biggest difference, by far, is that the antenna+radio
> on the iPad is horrible compared to every other device I own.
take it in for service. something is wrong.
> > if you want the iPad to do everything that Android can do in
> > the same way that Android does it, get rid of the iPad and get an
> > Android tablet.
>
> Actually, I like having a phone that is Android and an iPad
> that is iOS.
>
> I'd say 90% of the stuff is similar (yes, I do realize Samsung
> is being sued for copying the iOS interface tricks).
>
> So it's only the last 10% which is different.
> I've only had the iPad for a week so I'm in the middle of my
> learning curve, but, so far, I can say the differences are:
>
> 1. The biggest difference, by far, is that the antenna+radio
> on the iPad is horrible compared to every other device I own.
> 2. The battery life on the iPad is much better (by far) than
> anything else I own (my Android Samsung S3 battery stinks).
> 3. The Google Play store is roughly the same as the Apple
> Apps store, the only real difference being that some apps
> aren't on both,
one but not the other.
some of that has to do with it being easier to write ios apps and that
ios is far more lucrative for developers.
on the other hand, it's possible to do things on android that cannot be
easily done on ios, or not at all. widgets, overlays, access to some of
the device hardware and a lot of bluetooth functionality come to mind.
> but the functionality seems the same (other
> than Google Play being easier because it takes far fewer
> button clicks to obtain a free app than on iOS).
however, google play wins because you can 'buy' an app (free or not) in
a browser and it shows up only on selected device rather than all of
them, without having to sync.
> 4. The iPad "Siri" is vastly better than Samsung's "S Voice".
> 5. The iPad settings are not as disorganized as the Android
> settings. Both are idiotically organized (for example, why would
> the least used button be the first in the Apple settings?) but
> the Apple settings are much less idiotically organized than
> are the Android settings (which make absolutely no sense).
if you mean airplane mode, that's *very* common, and in fact, was the
main reason i put settings in the dock prior to ios 7 with its control
center.
> 6. The iPad is tremendously sensitive to your second hand.
> It's as if Apple expects us to all be one-handed wonders.
> I can't count the number of times the iOS GUI failed to
> respond when the problem was my second hand was touching
> the interface (for example, I had to click the "cellular
> data" slider over and over and over and over and over again,
> just to get it to slide).
> 7. The iPad folder naming is cute. It's always wrong, but,
> I like the idea that it tries to guess what the folder
> name should be. Android doesn't even try.
> 8. The manufacturer's choice of default apps on the iPad is
> way better than that of Google+Samsung on the Android phone.
> The difference is really huge, where the default Apple apps
> are all pretty good, while a good third (or so) of the default
> Android apps are nearly worthless.
on a 16 gig samsung s4, you end up with about 9 gig free. from what
i've heard so far, it's *worse* on an s5.
doesn't everyone need golf mode?
> 9. I keep all my app icons in named folders, so I like how
> Apple automagically eliminates screens which become empty.
that. what's the point of an empty screen?
on the other hand, you can put the icons wherever you want on android,
which is very nice.
> I also like how iOS automatically populates the screen with
> the icon for the latest app that you've downloaded. Android
> does neither in that Android will leave screens empty, and
> Android won't populate the shortcut onto the desktop unless
> you explicitly put it there.
in the app drawer and not clutter up the screens.
> 10. While battery life isn't a problem yet on the iPad,
> I can't seem to figure out how to turn off the GPS yet.
in most cases, the gps is automatically turned off if you aren't moving
unless the app wants it to be on for some reason, in which case you
would not want it off and the app almost certainly provides a way to
enable/disable it.
other than navigation apps, it's not usually on continually.
however, to be absolutely sure the gps, toggle airplane mode or kill
the app that's using the gps.
> On Android, I can easily turn off the GpS, but, there
> are so many other battery-wasting apps constantly running
> that the problem is there are too many apps to turn off.
> Given these 10 differences between Android and iOS aren't
> all that meaningful, I'd say the platforms are pretty
> similar.
nospam
Mar 1, 2014, 12:54:31 AM3/1/14
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In article <280220141616322709%mich...@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
doesn't want it there.
> > > Oh, and you don't need a credit card to download free apps on an iPad.
> > > But if you don't have a credit card entered, the only apps you can
> > > download are the free ones.
> >
> > incorrect.
> >
> > you don't need a credit card to download *any* apps, paid or free.
>
> Yeah, you can enter a gift card number instead of a credit-card number,
> but that's nit picking, which is something you're very good at doing
> because you're an obnoxious twit who loves to pick arguments for the
> sake of being argumentative.
it's not nitpicking at all.
many people think a credit card is required for the app store. it is
not.
payment must obviously be provided somehow, and there are several ways
to do that, and not just with gift cards either.
> And that's not ad hominem; it's a statement of fact.
just more of your usual insults when shown to be wrong.
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > > It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
> > > > download a free app from the app store, and I have to jump through hoops
> > > > to get rid of my credit card,
> > >
> > > Gee, to get rid of a credit card on the iPad, you go to account
> > > information, payment information, and tap "none". That's not exactly
> > > jumping through hoops.
> >
> > or not enter a credit card number in the first place.
>
> he was complaining about the presumed difficulty of removing a credit
> card, which means that one was entered in the first place. Please
> learn to read for comprehension.
which he could have avoided entering in the first place, given that he
> > > > It's like, on the ipad, I have to punch my password every single time I
> > > > download a free app from the app store, and I have to jump through hoops
> > > > to get rid of my credit card,
> > >
> > > Gee, to get rid of a credit card on the iPad, you go to account
> > > information, payment information, and tap "none". That's not exactly
> > > jumping through hoops.
> >
> > or not enter a credit card number in the first place.
>
> he was complaining about the presumed difficulty of removing a credit
> card, which means that one was entered in the first place. Please
> learn to read for comprehension.
doesn't want it there.
> > > Oh, and you don't need a credit card to download free apps on an iPad.
> > > But if you don't have a credit card entered, the only apps you can
> > > download are the free ones.
> >
> > incorrect.
> >
> > you don't need a credit card to download *any* apps, paid or free.
>
> Yeah, you can enter a gift card number instead of a credit-card number,
> but that's nit picking, which is something you're very good at doing
> because you're an obnoxious twit who loves to pick arguments for the
> sake of being argumentative.
many people think a credit card is required for the app store. it is
not.
payment must obviously be provided somehow, and there are several ways
to do that, and not just with gift cards either.
> And that's not ad hominem; it's a statement of fact.
Jolly Roger
Mar 1, 2014, 1:08:21 AM3/1/14
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E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
JR
Jolly Roger
Mar 1, 2014, 1:27:09 AM3/1/14
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On 2014-03-01, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <280220141616322709%mich...@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
><mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>>>> Oh, and you don't need a credit card to download free apps on an iPad.
>>>> But if you don't have a credit card entered, the only apps you can
>>>> download are the free ones.
>>>
> In article <280220141616322709%mich...@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
><mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>>>> Oh, and you don't need a credit card to download free apps on an iPad.
>>>> But if you don't have a credit card entered, the only apps you can
>>>> download are the free ones.
>>>
>>> you don't need a credit card to download *any* apps, paid or free.
>>
>> Yeah, you can enter a gift card number instead of a credit-card number,
>> but that's nit picking, which is something you're very good at doing
>> because you're an obnoxious twit who loves to pick arguments for the
>> sake of being argumentative.
>
> it's not nitpicking at all.
...said the weasel...
>>
>> Yeah, you can enter a gift card number instead of a credit-card number,
>> but that's nit picking, which is something you're very good at doing
>> because you're an obnoxious twit who loves to pick arguments for the
>> sake of being argumentative.
>
> it's not nitpicking at all.
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:11:28 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 19:54:20 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> but the functionality seems the same (other
>> than Google Play being easier because it takes far fewer
>> button clicks to obtain a free app than on iOS).
>
> eh? it's one tap for either one.
Google Play:
>> but the functionality seems the same (other
>> than Google Play being easier because it takes far fewer
>> button clicks to obtain a free app than on iOS).
>
> eh? it's one tap for either one.
1. Play Store
2. Search
3. Select
4. INSTALL
5. ACCEPT
6. OPEN
Apple Apps Store
1. App Store
2. Search
3. FREE
4. INSTALL
5. Sign In to iTunes Store
6. (10 button clicks to sign in, with case & special characters)
7. OK
8. OPEN
With the unnecessary sign in (for a free app?), it's about 18 clicks,
compared to exactly 6 clicks.
If I don't count the (mandatory?) password request in iOS, it's pretty
similar, with iOS taking roughly the same amount of clicks.
So, the obvious question is how do you get away without having to enter
your password in iOS while I have to enter it EVERY time?
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:15:55 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 19:54:20 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> 1. The biggest difference, by far, is that the antenna+radio
>> on the iPad is horrible compared to every other device I own.
>
> take it in for service. something is wrong.
My wife and I and two friends tested this with three
>> on the iPad is horrible compared to every other device I own.
>
> take it in for service. something is wrong.
different iPads at four different locations.
In all our tests, the Android and Windows & Linux equipment
found far more access points than did all the iPads.
The correlation was so astoundingly consistent, I doubt
there is a specific flaw in a specific unit; the flaw
was universal in all three iPads tested.
Of course, I'll defer to more stastically valid tests, but
I myself ran some of these tests, so, I do see with my own
eyes what I'm saying.
For example, I parked outside the local library. I could
easily pick up a half dozen access points with my Android
cellphone; but on the iPad, only one signal was shown.
At my friends house, we went to a corner of the house far
from the router, and the laptop and Android phone had no
problem picking up the access point but the iPad was blank
until we got half as close to the router.
I do realize this was only a test of a handful of access
points and a handful of iOS and non-iOS devices, but, the
data set was convincingly one sided.
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:26:14 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 19:54:20 -0500, nospam wrote:
> what least used button?
>
> if you mean airplane mode, that's *very* common, and in fact, was the
> main reason i put settings in the dock prior to ios 7 with its control
> center.
First off, I did say that the Apple settings were far less idiotic
>
> if you mean airplane mode, that's *very* common, and in fact, was the
> main reason i put settings in the dock prior to ios 7 with its control
> center.
than the Android settings.
But, let's take this "airplane mode", which, I assume, is mainly
used for when someone is going on a trip on an airplane.
I, myself, fly perhaps once a year. So, to put a button as the number
one slot, for me, who flies once a year, is a waste of my time to
have to scroll past it literally thousands of times a year, just
to use it once a year.
Likewise, I get in a car maybe a thousand times a year. Any button
that is useful in a car would overwhelm that airplane button, even
for frequent travelers who fly, say, once a week.
They certainly get in a car far more than once a week, so, for me,
those other buttons (such as bluetooth) would be far more important
than a button which is used once a year (or even once a week for
frequent fliers).
Likewise, "Do Not Disturb" is halfway down, well below the carrier
selection. What's with that? Do Not Disturb would likely be in the
top three slots, if you ask me.
But the worst of all is "General" is way the heck down there, but,
what's in General is stuff that is decidedly not general. Why is
Siri (which is, in reality, simply an app) in general in the first
place?
Likewise, what is "iTunes Wi-Fi Sync" doing in General? It should
be under apps like all the other apps (it's just an app, after all).
And, why is "VPN" under "General", yet "Privacy" is not? Makes no
sense (to me).
But, as I said, the Settings organization in iOS is far better
than the mixmash that is Android.
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:28:25 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 19:54:20 -0500, nospam wrote:
> the folder name is based on the category of the apps in the store.
Oooooh. I was wondering where it got those crazy names when I
slid one app on top of the other.
How does it decide which app category to use when you slide,
say, two dissimilar apps together into a folder which you
expect to name "test folder"?
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:30:10 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 19:54:20 -0500, nospam wrote:
> however, to be absolutely sure the gps, toggle airplane mode or kill
> the app that's using the gps.
Hey! Now I can use "airplane mode" every day, instead of just
> the app that's using the gps.
once a year!
Neat!
Thanks!
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:33:39 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 19:54:20 -0500, nospam wrote:
> on the other hand, it's possible to do things on android that cannot be
> easily done on ios, or not at all.
I had expected TEXT editing to be EASIER on the iPad instead of edits
> easily done on ios, or not at all.
being far harder on iOS than on Android (or any other OS I've ever
used).
For some reason, if I type, for example:
withering heights
and I subsequently try to change it to:
weathering heights
I can't seem to get the darn iOS selection cursor to go right
to the "e" to change it to an "i".
On Android, this is trivial (although it might take sliding
the blue cursor location if my fat fingers miss on the first
try).
But, on iOS it's damn near impossible!
How can they make it harder to change a single character?
I must be doing something wrong because nobody would design
a single-character change to take 9 button clicks.
Or did they?
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:34:52 AM3/1/14
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> you could duplicate an app for a second copy,
Interesting idea!
> you could duplicate an app for a second copy,
I had not realized that was possible.
(Doesn't sound feasible though ... )
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:36:26 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:53:09 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> No you don't. There's a time limit for which the password is good; you
> can download as many as you want within that time period.
On Android, for free apps (which is all I download), I must
> No you don't. There's a time limit for which the password is good; you
> can download as many as you want within that time period.
have put my password in about a year ago, and I haven't had
to re-enter it since.
That's what I want with iOS.
Can iOS do that?
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:42:46 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:16:27 -0500, nospam wrote:
> credit card information is kept on file *if* you supply one
> (it's not required).
I was able to REMOVE my credit card information, but, I had
> credit card information is kept on file *if* you supply one
> (it's not required).
to google how because the "app store" insisted I give it
a name, address, phone, and credit card.
Luckily, I was able (after googling) to eliminate the credit
card (setting it to NONE), and I was able to change the name
and address information to (from memory):
Salutaion = Dr. (because it's gender neutral)
First Name = ZZ
Last Name = ZZ
Town = ZZ
State = ZZ (I'm surprised it took the state because it wasn't a state
abbreviation)
ZIP = 00000 (again, I was surprised it took a nonsensical zip)
Phone = 800-555-1212 (I hope nobody actually has that number)
etc.
Then it insisted on security questions, and wouldn't take "42"
for the answer to all of them. Sigh.
Luckily, after jumping through hoops though, I *was* able to
remove the credit card and put nonsensical data into the
ownership fields.
I don't remember Android ever being that difficult to prevent
privacy leaks, but, of course, the phone number on my cellphone
is the biggest privacy leak in the first place, which the iPad
also has (because it's a cellular model).
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:44:51 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:53:01 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> That means that anyone who gains physical access to your Android device
> can download all the free apps he wishes.
I don't know where you live, but I don't even lock my car where
> That means that anyone who gains physical access to your Android device
> can download all the free apps he wishes.
I live, nor my house, so, I don't see any reason to secure my
iPad more than I do my own home.
> But if you don't have a credit card entered, the only apps you can
> download are the free ones.
One has to be more clever *not* to pay for the apps one needs,
but it's certainly feasible (at least it is on Android) since
there is a free app for "almost" everything I need to do.
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:45:57 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 17:09:58 -0500, nospam wrote:
> you don't need a credit card to download *any* apps, paid or free.
I'm not about to pay for anything, but, I *am* curious how
> you don't need a credit card to download *any* apps, paid or free.
you can download the payware apps without using a credit
card.
Are you saying they use paypal?
Bitcoin?
What?
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:47:42 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 17:09:58 -0500, nospam wrote:
> or not enter a credit card number in the first place.
Maybe I did something wrong, but I had to create an
apple account out of bogus information when I opened
the iPad.
The app store, where I went first, *insisted* on a
name, address, phone number, zip, dob, etc., and IIRC,
it also insisted on a credit card (as my memory serves me).
So, I added it, and then deleted it after I figured out
how to delete it.
Maybe I did the sequence wrong?
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:50:19 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 16:16:32 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> you can enter a gift card number instead of a credit-card number,
> but that's nit picking
I have to agree that a gift card (or paypal or bitcoin, etc.),
> you can enter a gift card number instead of a credit-card number,
> but that's nit picking
is essentially the same thing for the purpose which I am
using it.
I don't want to enter *any* information that I don't have to
in order to download an app, free or otherwise.
Only I don't plan on paying for *any* apps, ever.
If I have to pay for it, I probably don't need it.
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:55:44 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 19:54:31 -0500, nospam wrote:
> which he could have avoided entering in the first place, given that he
> doesn't want it there.
Maybe I set up the iPad incorrectly, but, as I remember it (a week
> which he could have avoided entering in the first place, given that he
> doesn't want it there.
ago), the "app store" *insisted* on having information that I had
no intention of giving it.
It was only *after* I had been forced (as I recall) to enter it,
that I googled how to remove it.
I later found out that the procedures are different if you
register the iCloud account on the web from a PC (it doesn't
force you to use 3 security questions, for example) versus if
you first log into iTunes versus if you first log into the
"app store" (go figure).
So, my one and only experience is that Apple desperately tried
to get my contact and credit information, but, it graciously
allowed me to remove all of that in favor of bogus information.
I just had to jump through hoops in order to do so.
But, I do admit, I was just following the prompts, and I was
always hitting the "OK" and it was always putting things in
RED that said the information was mandatory.
So, you can consider me Dr. ZZ ZZ from ZZ born in 1/1/1901 (it
wouldn't take the year 1900 for some reason) with a zip code
of 00000 and a phone number of something like 800-555-1212, etc.
PS: I realize I probably stand out more now, than I did had
I just looked someone up on the web and put THEIR name and
address and phone number into the slots. :)
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:58:20 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 19:54:31 -0500, nospam wrote:
> payment must obviously be provided somehow, and there are several ways
> to do that, and not just with gift cards either.
Ah. Now I understand. Thanks for clarifying.
> to do that, and not just with gift cards either.
Luckily, I have no intention of paying for anything.
The hard part is finding a good app *without* paying for it
(other than paying by advertising and the like).
It's not easy, but it can be done on Android. I presume
it can likewise be accomplished on iOS (but I don't know yet).
Do you know of an important feature that can *only* be found
in a paid app?
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 2:59:03 AM3/1/14
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On 1 Mar 2014 01:27:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> it's not nitpicking at all.
>
> ...said the weasel...
I'd prefer we keep this enlightening conversation civil.
>> it's not nitpicking at all.
>
> ...said the weasel...
None of us have to contribute so let's keep it Socratic.
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<1c2e4$531141db$43da7656$47...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
i don't count that.
on an android phone you might always be signed in so it won't appear,
but on a computer, you might not be, so you'll have to authenticate
there, and then it's the same either way.
> So, the obvious question is how do you get away without having to enter
> your password in iOS while I have to enter it EVERY time?
iphone 5s users merely touch the home button and authenticate with a
fingerprint. it's as natural as can be.
<1c2e4$531141db$43da7656$47...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
on an android phone you might always be signed in so it won't appear,
but on a computer, you might not be, so you'll have to authenticate
there, and then it's the same either way.
> So, the obvious question is how do you get away without having to enter
> your password in iOS while I have to enter it EVERY time?
fingerprint. it's as natural as can be.
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 4:25:09 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 22:47:11 -0500, nospam wrote:
> on an android phone you might always be signed in so it won't appear,
> but on a computer, you might not be, so you'll have to authenticate
> there, and then it's the same either way.
On mine, I'm always signed in.
> on an android phone you might always be signed in so it won't appear,
> but on a computer, you might not be, so you'll have to authenticate
> there, and then it's the same either way.
Dunno how that happens, but, it does.
I just wish I could do the same thing on the iPad because it
would drop the number of button clicks to 1/3 of what it is now
just to download a free app.
It's strange because I had expected the iPhone to be easier than
Android, but, in downloading apps, it's not. (But I'm still learning!)
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the ipad might consider some to be too weak to be usable, so it doesn't
show them. what would be the point?
> The correlation was so astoundingly consistent, I doubt
> there is a specific flaw in a specific unit; the flaw
> was universal in all three iPads tested.
>
> Of course, I'll defer to more stastically valid tests, but
> I myself ran some of these tests, so, I do see with my own
> eyes what I'm saying.
>
> For example, I parked outside the local library. I could
> easily pick up a half dozen access points with my Android
> cellphone; but on the iPad, only one signal was shown.
how many of those could you reliably establish a connection and then do
something with it?
merely showing up in a list doesn't mean much if it's not usable.
<da23a$531142e6$43da7656$47...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> >> 1. The biggest difference, by far, is that the antenna+radio
> >> on the iPad is horrible compared to every other device I own.
> >
> > take it in for service. something is wrong.
>
> My wife and I and two friends tested this with three
> different iPads at four different locations.
>
> In all our tests, the Android and Windows & Linux equipment
> found far more access points than did all the iPads.
that doesn't necessarily mean much.
> >> 1. The biggest difference, by far, is that the antenna+radio
> >> on the iPad is horrible compared to every other device I own.
> >
> > take it in for service. something is wrong.
>
> My wife and I and two friends tested this with three
> different iPads at four different locations.
>
> In all our tests, the Android and Windows & Linux equipment
> found far more access points than did all the iPads.
the ipad might consider some to be too weak to be usable, so it doesn't
show them. what would be the point?
> The correlation was so astoundingly consistent, I doubt
> there is a specific flaw in a specific unit; the flaw
> was universal in all three iPads tested.
>
> Of course, I'll defer to more stastically valid tests, but
> I myself ran some of these tests, so, I do see with my own
> eyes what I'm saying.
>
> For example, I parked outside the local library. I could
> easily pick up a half dozen access points with my Android
> cellphone; but on the iPad, only one signal was shown.
something with it?
merely showing up in a list doesn't mean much if it's not usable.
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> I, myself, fly perhaps once a year. So, to put a button as the number
> one slot, for me, who flies once a year, is a waste of my time to
> have to scroll past it literally thousands of times a year, just
> to use it once a year.
a lot of people do fly more than once a year, and putting it at the top
makes it *very* easy to toggle on or off.
the buttons have to be in *some* order, so they pick an order that
works for most people. that won't work for everyone. nothing will.
> Likewise, I get in a car maybe a thousand times a year. Any button
> that is useful in a car would overwhelm that airplane button, even
> for frequent travelers who fly, say, once a week.
what would that mystery button do?
> They certainly get in a car far more than once a week, so, for me,
> those other buttons (such as bluetooth) would be far more important
> than a button which is used once a year (or even once a week for
> frequent fliers).
toggle bluetooth in control center.
or just leave it on.
it doesn't use much power if you aren't connected to a bluetooth device
and bluetooth le is even less of a power draw, even when in use.
> Likewise, "Do Not Disturb" is halfway down, well below the carrier
> selection. What's with that? Do Not Disturb would likely be in the
> top three slots, if you ask me.
valid point. however, you can toggle the mute switch, which
unfortunately doesn't actually mean what you think it would.
> But the worst of all is "General" is way the heck down there, but,
> what's in General is stuff that is decidedly not general. Why is
> Siri (which is, in reality, simply an app) in general in the first
> place?
it's much more than an app and there's no reason to reconfigure siri.
> Likewise, what is "iTunes Wi-Fi Sync" doing in General? It should
> be under apps like all the other apps (it's just an app, after all).
itunes sync is not an app nor is it all that common, especially with
icloud syncing.
it also requires itunes to be running, which means you can instigate a
sync from itunes (and that's more reliable anyway).
> And, why is "VPN" under "General", yet "Privacy" is not? Makes no
> sense (to me).
vpn is not a common function to most people.
to those who use it, it is, but it can be configured to auto-connect
and is likely to have been preconfigured by an sysadmin.
> But, as I said, the Settings organization in iOS is far better
> than the mixmash that is Android.
true.
<e8ed$53114551$43da7656$48...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > what least used button?
> >
> > if you mean airplane mode, that's *very* common, and in fact, was the
> > main reason i put settings in the dock prior to ios 7 with its control
> > center.
>
> First off, I did say that the Apple settings were far less idiotic
> than the Android settings.
>
> But, let's take this "airplane mode", which, I assume, is mainly
> used for when someone is going on a trip on an airplane.
that's why it's called airplane mode :)
> > what least used button?
> >
> > if you mean airplane mode, that's *very* common, and in fact, was the
> > main reason i put settings in the dock prior to ios 7 with its control
> > center.
>
> First off, I did say that the Apple settings were far less idiotic
> than the Android settings.
>
> But, let's take this "airplane mode", which, I assume, is mainly
> used for when someone is going on a trip on an airplane.
> I, myself, fly perhaps once a year. So, to put a button as the number
> one slot, for me, who flies once a year, is a waste of my time to
> have to scroll past it literally thousands of times a year, just
> to use it once a year.
makes it *very* easy to toggle on or off.
the buttons have to be in *some* order, so they pick an order that
works for most people. that won't work for everyone. nothing will.
> Likewise, I get in a car maybe a thousand times a year. Any button
> that is useful in a car would overwhelm that airplane button, even
> for frequent travelers who fly, say, once a week.
> They certainly get in a car far more than once a week, so, for me,
> those other buttons (such as bluetooth) would be far more important
> than a button which is used once a year (or even once a week for
> frequent fliers).
or just leave it on.
it doesn't use much power if you aren't connected to a bluetooth device
and bluetooth le is even less of a power draw, even when in use.
> Likewise, "Do Not Disturb" is halfway down, well below the carrier
> selection. What's with that? Do Not Disturb would likely be in the
> top three slots, if you ask me.
unfortunately doesn't actually mean what you think it would.
> But the worst of all is "General" is way the heck down there, but,
> what's in General is stuff that is decidedly not general. Why is
> Siri (which is, in reality, simply an app) in general in the first
> place?
> Likewise, what is "iTunes Wi-Fi Sync" doing in General? It should
> be under apps like all the other apps (it's just an app, after all).
icloud syncing.
it also requires itunes to be running, which means you can instigate a
sync from itunes (and that's more reliable anyway).
> And, why is "VPN" under "General", yet "Privacy" is not? Makes no
> sense (to me).
to those who use it, it is, but it can be configured to auto-connect
and is likely to have been preconfigured by an sysadmin.
> But, as I said, the Settings organization in iOS is far better
> than the mixmash that is Android.
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maybe there's a pattern in what it picks, but i almost always want to
rename it anyway so i don't really care what it picks.
<af45a$531145d4$43da7656$48...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > the folder name is based on the category of the apps in the store.
>
> Oooooh. I was wondering where it got those crazy names when I
> slid one app on top of the other.
>
> How does it decide which app category to use when you slide,
> say, two dissimilar apps together into a folder which you
> expect to name "test folder"?
no idea. i just dragged a game onto a weather app and it said games.
> > the folder name is based on the category of the apps in the store.
>
> Oooooh. I was wondering where it got those crazy names when I
> slid one app on top of the other.
>
> How does it decide which app category to use when you slide,
> say, two dissimilar apps together into a folder which you
> expect to name "test folder"?
maybe there's a pattern in what it picks, but i almost always want to
rename it anyway so i don't really care what it picks.
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sometimes that cursor on ios can be a royal bitch, especially at the
boundaries of a text field.
if you do a lot of editing, you should find a text editing app that
adds cursor keys to the keyboard.
or just use a bluetooth keyboard.
<e7224$5311470e$43da7656$48...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
boundaries of a text field.
if you do a lot of editing, you should find a text editing app that
adds cursor keys to the keyboard.
or just use a bluetooth keyboard.
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when they both write to the same files.
on ios you can't have two of the same app.
<cd771$53114757$43da7656$48...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > you could duplicate an app for a second copy,
>
> Interesting idea!
> I had not realized that was possible.
> (Doesn't sound feasible though ... )
on a mac or windows you can have two (or more), but problems will occur
> > you could duplicate an app for a second copy,
>
> Interesting idea!
> I had not realized that was possible.
> (Doesn't sound feasible though ... )
when they both write to the same files.
on ios you can't have two of the same app.
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updates do not require a password (they used to, but that was removed).
iphone 5s users can touch the fingerprint sensor for purchases.
everyone else has to authenticate with a password.
<69e10$531147b5$43da7656$48...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > No you don't. There's a time limit for which the password is good; you
> > can download as many as you want within that time period.
>
> On Android, for free apps (which is all I download), I must
> have put my password in about a year ago, and I haven't had
> to re-enter it since.
>
> That's what I want with iOS.
>
> Can iOS do that?
not currently.
> > No you don't. There's a time limit for which the password is good; you
> > can download as many as you want within that time period.
>
> On Android, for free apps (which is all I download), I must
> have put my password in about a year ago, and I haven't had
> to re-enter it since.
>
> That's what I want with iOS.
>
> Can iOS do that?
updates do not require a password (they used to, but that was removed).
iphone 5s users can touch the fingerprint sensor for purchases.
everyone else has to authenticate with a password.
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credit card, but it's not required.
> Luckily, I was able (after googling) to eliminate the credit
> card (setting it to NONE), and I was able to change the name
> and address information to (from memory):
>
> Salutaion = Dr. (because it's gender neutral)
> First Name = ZZ
> Last Name = ZZ
> Town = ZZ
> State = ZZ (I'm surprised it took the state because it wasn't a state
> abbreviation)
> ZIP = 00000 (again, I was surprised it took a nonsensical zip)
> Phone = 800-555-1212 (I hope nobody actually has that number)
> etc.
your account is going to fail an audit at some point and when it does,
you won't be able to download apps until you contact support and put in
something that isn't obviously fake.
how long that takes is unknown.
> Then it insisted on security questions, and wouldn't take "42"
> for the answer to all of them. Sigh.
it probably has a minimum number of characters that's more than two.
some of the questions (not necessarily apple) have questions such as
what's your first car or what's the first name of your best friend.
valid answers can be shorter than their minimum length, which is
usually 4 characters.
thus, when you put in vw, bmw, kia, bob, sam, ed etc. it says 'too
short'.
plus you should be using fake answers anyway. just remember what they
are (or use a password manager).
> Luckily, after jumping through hoops though, I *was* able to
> remove the credit card and put nonsensical data into the
> ownership fields.
>
> I don't remember Android ever being that difficult to prevent
> privacy leaks,
it's very easy to create a google account with fake data.
> but, of course, the phone number on my cellphone
> is the biggest privacy leak in the first place, which the iPad
> also has (because it's a cellular model).
only if you activate it.
<c9954$53114931$43da7656$49...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > credit card information is kept on file *if* you supply one
> > (it's not required).
>
> I was able to REMOVE my credit card information, but, I had
> to google how because the "app store" insisted I give it
> a name, address, phone, and credit card.
it wants that and is sometimes not obvious how to avoid supplying a
> > credit card information is kept on file *if* you supply one
> > (it's not required).
>
> I was able to REMOVE my credit card information, but, I had
> to google how because the "app store" insisted I give it
> a name, address, phone, and credit card.
credit card, but it's not required.
> Luckily, I was able (after googling) to eliminate the credit
> card (setting it to NONE), and I was able to change the name
> and address information to (from memory):
>
> Salutaion = Dr. (because it's gender neutral)
> First Name = ZZ
> Last Name = ZZ
> Town = ZZ
> State = ZZ (I'm surprised it took the state because it wasn't a state
> abbreviation)
> ZIP = 00000 (again, I was surprised it took a nonsensical zip)
> Phone = 800-555-1212 (I hope nobody actually has that number)
> etc.
you won't be able to download apps until you contact support and put in
something that isn't obviously fake.
how long that takes is unknown.
> Then it insisted on security questions, and wouldn't take "42"
> for the answer to all of them. Sigh.
some of the questions (not necessarily apple) have questions such as
what's your first car or what's the first name of your best friend.
valid answers can be shorter than their minimum length, which is
usually 4 characters.
thus, when you put in vw, bmw, kia, bob, sam, ed etc. it says 'too
short'.
plus you should be using fake answers anyway. just remember what they
are (or use a password manager).
> Luckily, after jumping through hoops though, I *was* able to
> remove the credit card and put nonsensical data into the
> ownership fields.
>
> I don't remember Android ever being that difficult to prevent
> privacy leaks,
> but, of course, the phone number on my cellphone
> is the biggest privacy leak in the first place, which the iPad
> also has (because it's a cellular model).
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the easiest way is buy an itunes gift card at any of a wide variety of
stores, including apple stores, supermarkets, convenience stores,
bigbox stores and many other places. you can also buy them online. the
lowest denomination card is $10 (in a 3 pack) or $15 sold separately.
another option is a prepaid credit card which isn't tied to your name.
however, that can be a pain since you have to enter in the number like
a normal credit card and then remove it when you use up its funds and
replace it with a new card. on the other hand, you can add it for a $1
purchase and not have $14 left over.
also, keep an eye out for price changes. every so often, an app drops
in price, sometimes to free, for a day or two, maybe more.
> Bitcoin?
considering that apple pulled bitcoin apps and with mt gox collapsing,
no.
<33df0$531149f0$43da7656$49...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > you don't need a credit card to download *any* apps, paid or free.
>
> I'm not about to pay for anything, but, I *am* curious how
> you can download the payware apps without using a credit
> card.
>
> Are you saying they use paypal?
paypal is one option.
> > you don't need a credit card to download *any* apps, paid or free.
>
> I'm not about to pay for anything, but, I *am* curious how
> you can download the payware apps without using a credit
> card.
>
> Are you saying they use paypal?
the easiest way is buy an itunes gift card at any of a wide variety of
stores, including apple stores, supermarkets, convenience stores,
bigbox stores and many other places. you can also buy them online. the
lowest denomination card is $10 (in a 3 pack) or $15 sold separately.
another option is a prepaid credit card which isn't tied to your name.
however, that can be a pain since you have to enter in the number like
a normal credit card and then remove it when you use up its funds and
replace it with a new card. on the other hand, you can add it for a $1
purchase and not have $14 left over.
also, keep an eye out for price changes. every so often, an app drops
in price, sometimes to free, for a day or two, maybe more.
> Bitcoin?
considering that apple pulled bitcoin apps and with mt gox collapsing,
no.
nospam
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the none option sometimes won't show up, depending on how you create
the account.
<ef24c$53114a58$43da7656$49...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
the account.
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right?
and it will get audited at some point anyway.
<c3ad6$53114c3b$43da7656$49...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> So, you can consider me Dr. ZZ ZZ from ZZ born in 1/1/1901 (it
> wouldn't take the year 1900 for some reason) with a zip code
> of 00000 and a phone number of something like 800-555-1212, etc.
you do realize that you've given enough info for some to hack you,
> So, you can consider me Dr. ZZ ZZ from ZZ born in 1/1/1901 (it
> wouldn't take the year 1900 for some reason) with a zip code
> of 00000 and a phone number of something like 800-555-1212, etc.
right?
and it will get audited at some point anyway.
nospam
Mar 1, 2014, 4:38:15 AM3/1/14
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it depends what you consider important.
however, quite a bit is available for free and if you watch for app
sales, you can often get paid apps for free or close to it.
<e3bec$53114cd6$43da7656$49...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> Do you know of an important feature that can *only* be found
> in a paid app?
lots.
> Do you know of an important feature that can *only* be found
> in a paid app?
it depends what you consider important.
however, quite a bit is available for free and if you watch for app
sales, you can often get paid apps for free or close to it.
Michelle Steiner
Mar 1, 2014, 4:42:34 AM3/1/14
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<nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > > Gee, to get rid of a credit card on the iPad, you go to account
> > > > information, payment information, and tap "none". That's not exactly
> > > > jumping through hoops.
> > card, which means that one was entered in the first place. Please
> > learn to read for comprehension.
credit card!
<nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > > Gee, to get rid of a credit card on the iPad, you go to account
> > > > information, payment information, and tap "none". That's not exactly
> > > > jumping through hoops.
> > >
> > > or not enter a credit card number in the first place.
> >
> > he was complaining about the presumed difficulty of removing a credit
> > > or not enter a credit card number in the first place.
> >
> > card, which means that one was entered in the first place. Please
> > learn to read for comprehension.
>
> which he could have avoided entering in the first place, given that he
> doesn't want it there.
So give him a time machine so he can go back in time to not enter his
> which he could have avoided entering in the first place, given that he
> doesn't want it there.
credit card!
Michelle Steiner
Mar 1, 2014, 4:46:26 AM3/1/14
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O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> I (belatedly) understand, and don't disagree with you.
This is usenet; you're obligated to disagree. (insert smiley face here)
<690b0$53111cb6$43da7656$40...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> I (belatedly) understand, and don't disagree with you.
This is usenet; you're obligated to disagree. (insert smiley face here)
nospam
Mar 1, 2014, 4:54:26 AM3/1/14
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<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > which he could have avoided entering in the first place, given that he
> > doesn't want it there.
>
> So give him a time machine so he can go back in time to not enter his
> credit card!
i'll get right on that.
> > which he could have avoided entering in the first place, given that he
> > doesn't want it there.
>
> So give him a time machine so he can go back in time to not enter his
> credit card!
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security, and as a former security person, I concur.
Besides, as has been mentioned, with the iPhone 5S (and I'm pretty
confident, with the next iteration of the iPad and maybe other
iDevices), all it takes is a press of the home button.
<a7a74$53116130$43da7656$54...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> I just wish I could do the same thing on the iPad because it
> would drop the number of button clicks to 1/3 of what it is now
> just to download a free app.
>
> It's strange because I had expected the iPhone to be easier than
> Android, but, in downloading apps, it's not. (But I'm still learning!)
It's the old story of convenience vs. security. Apple opted for
> I just wish I could do the same thing on the iPad because it
> would drop the number of button clicks to 1/3 of what it is now
> just to download a free app.
>
> It's strange because I had expected the iPhone to be easier than
> Android, but, in downloading apps, it's not. (But I'm still learning!)
security, and as a former security person, I concur.
Besides, as has been mentioned, with the iPhone 5S (and I'm pretty
confident, with the next iteration of the iPad and maybe other
iDevices), all it takes is a press of the home button.
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slide up from the bottom of the screen. There's no need to go into
Settings any more for this function.
<e8ed$53114551$43da7656$48...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> Likewise, "Do Not Disturb" is halfway down, well below the carrier
> selection. What's with that? Do Not Disturb would likely be in the
> top three slots, if you ask me.
the best way to access Do Not Disturb is from the Control Center; just
> Likewise, "Do Not Disturb" is halfway down, well below the carrier
> selection. What's with that? Do Not Disturb would likely be in the
> top three slots, if you ask me.
slide up from the bottom of the screen. There's no need to go into
Settings any more for this function.
Michelle Steiner
Mar 1, 2014, 7:02:55 AM3/1/14
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O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > however, to be absolutely sure the gps, toggle airplane mode or kill
> > the app that's using the gps.
>
> Hey! Now I can use "airplane mode" every day, instead of just
> once a year!
You would be better off turning off Location Services than turning on
Airplane Mode. Airplane Mode also turns off WiFi and telephone
capabilities.
<78d8e$5311463d$43da7656$48...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > however, to be absolutely sure the gps, toggle airplane mode or kill
> > the app that's using the gps.
>
> Hey! Now I can use "airplane mode" every day, instead of just
> once a year!
You would be better off turning off Location Services than turning on
Airplane Mode. Airplane Mode also turns off WiFi and telephone
capabilities.
Michelle Steiner
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"magnifying glass" appears, and then slide to the spot where I want to
place the cursor.
<e7224$5311470e$43da7656$48...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> For some reason, if I type, for example:
> withering heights
> and I subsequently try to change it to:
> weathering heights
> I can't seem to get the darn iOS selection cursor to go right
> to the "e" to change it to an "i".
I have no problem doing that; I simply hold down my finger until the
> For some reason, if I type, for example:
> withering heights
> and I subsequently try to change it to:
> weathering heights
> I can't seem to get the darn iOS selection cursor to go right
> to the "e" to change it to an "i".
"magnifying glass" appears, and then slide to the spot where I want to
place the cursor.
Michelle Steiner
Mar 1, 2014, 7:06:58 AM3/1/14
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<69e10$531147b5$43da7656$48...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:53:09 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
> > No you don't. There's a time limit for which the password is good; you
> > can download as many as you want within that time period.
>
> On Android, for free apps (which is all I download), I must
> have put my password in about a year ago, and I haven't had
> to re-enter it since.
>
> That's what I want with iOS.
>
> Can iOS do that?
No, and I'm glad that it can't.
<69e10$531147b5$43da7656$48...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:53:09 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
> > No you don't. There's a time limit for which the password is good; you
> > can download as many as you want within that time period.
>
> On Android, for free apps (which is all I download), I must
> have put my password in about a year ago, and I haven't had
> to re-enter it since.
>
> That's what I want with iOS.
>
> Can iOS do that?
tlvp
Mar 1, 2014, 8:37:16 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:31:41 -0800, Liam O'Connor wrote:
> I wonder if there is a word for something that is so simple
> and accepted, but, until you're faced with it the first time,
> it's not so simple?
Yes, several. "Arbitrary". "Conventional". "Proprietary". Pick one :-) .
Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
> I wonder if there is a word for something that is so simple
> and accepted, but, until you're faced with it the first time,
> it's not so simple?
Yes, several. "Arbitrary". "Conventional". "Proprietary". Pick one :-) .
Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
tlvp
Mar 1, 2014, 8:51:14 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 18:26:14 -0800, Liam O'Connor wrote:
> But, let's take this "airplane mode", which, I assume, is mainly
> used for when someone is going on a trip on an airplane.
Nope. You'd use it at a concert, in a cinema, at a lecture, watching a play
> But, let's take this "airplane mode", which, I assume, is mainly
> used for when someone is going on a trip on an airplane.
-- or anytime you don't need wi-fi or bluetooth, are out of range of
cellular signals, and would like to conserve battery. HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp
tlvp
Mar 1, 2014, 8:57:30 AM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 18:42:46 -0800, Liam O'Connor wrote:
> Phone = 800-555-1212 (I hope nobody actually has that number)
Mmm ... Directory Assistance for toll-free (800, etc.) numbers. YW :-) .
> Phone = 800-555-1212 (I hope nobody actually has that number)
Chris Uppal
Mar 1, 2014, 9:52:46 AM3/1/14
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Liam O'Connor wrote:
> But, let's take this "airplane mode", which, I assume, is mainly
> used for when someone is going on a trip on an airplane.
Think of it as "low power mode" -- turn off wifi, bluetooth, 3/4G, all in one
> But, let's take this "airplane mode", which, I assume, is mainly
> used for when someone is going on a trip on an airplane.
quick button press.
(And "enhanced security mode", and "low distraction mode".)
I use it all the time.
-- chris
nospam
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disable anything to conserve battery.
<mPiOsUcB...@att.net> wrote:
> > But, let's take this "airplane mode", which, I assume, is mainly
> > used for when someone is going on a trip on an airplane.
>
> Nope. You'd use it at a concert, in a cinema, at a lecture, watching a play
> -- or anytime you don't need wi-fi or bluetooth, are out of range of
> cellular signals, and would like to conserve battery. HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp
since the battery lasts at least 2 days for me, i've never needed to
> > But, let's take this "airplane mode", which, I assume, is mainly
> > used for when someone is going on a trip on an airplane.
>
> Nope. You'd use it at a concert, in a cinema, at a lecture, watching a play
> -- or anytime you don't need wi-fi or bluetooth, are out of range of
> cellular signals, and would like to conserve battery. HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp
disable anything to conserve battery.
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 6:35:11 PM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 23:56:45 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> It's the old story of convenience vs. security. Apple opted for
> security, and as a former security person, I concur.
I understand.
> It's the old story of convenience vs. security. Apple opted for
> security, and as a former security person, I concur.
But, I'm the only one who uses my iPad.
And, I have no credit card or identifying information in it.
Plus, I only download freeware anyway.
So, I don't NEED to waste 2/3 of the button clicks logging
into an account that is basically a dummy account in the
first place (I'm Dr. ZZ ZZ from ZZ town with zip code 00000).
It sure would be nice to be able to turn OFF that silly
login requirement.
But, I'm starting to learn the iPad way, which, is, you do it
their way, or their way, but nothing but their way.
I guess, in the end, that makes the inevitable choice easy, but,
it sure is frustrating when coming from a usability standpoint.
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 6:39:20 PM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 23:34:48 -0500, nospam wrote:
> how many of those could you reliably establish a connection and then do
> something with it?
>
> merely showing up in a list doesn't mean much if it's not usable.
This is a good and valid point.
I had also spoken (complained) to two people about this,
one of whom is actually my ISP, who said that he gets
frustrated when a customer can't connect to his wall and
ceiling mounted access points that he installs in the larger houses.
I trust his experienced judgement when he said he called them
iCrap. It was also his view that the iPad/iPhone equipment had
lousy radios (he called them "radios").
However, it would be nice to find a study that shows what
the true decibels of gain are for the iPad radio/antenna
combination, transmit power, and receive sensitivity.
Does Apple publish those numbers?
> how many of those could you reliably establish a connection and then do
> something with it?
>
> merely showing up in a list doesn't mean much if it's not usable.
This is a good and valid point.
I had also spoken (complained) to two people about this,
one of whom is actually my ISP, who said that he gets
frustrated when a customer can't connect to his wall and
ceiling mounted access points that he installs in the larger houses.
I trust his experienced judgement when he said he called them
iCrap. It was also his view that the iPad/iPhone equipment had
lousy radios (he called them "radios").
However, it would be nice to find a study that shows what
the true decibels of gain are for the iPad radio/antenna
combination, transmit power, and receive sensitivity.
Does Apple publish those numbers?
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 6:43:09 PM3/1/14
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On Sat, 1 Mar 2014 06:49:48 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
> Outside a local movie theatre my iPhone show 3 and my friends Galaxy 4S
> would show 7, but none of those 4 extras were strong enough to be
> accessed.
This is a good point.
What we'd need to know is whether the iPad/iPhone antennas:radios
are just lousy, or if they pick up more signal than they show,
but they choose to show only strong signals.
If Apple publishes the following, we could figure it out:
1. Radio transmit power (e.g., 50mW or 17dBm)
2. Radio receiver sensitivity (e.g., -95dBm)
3. Antenna gain (e.g., 3dBi)
Does Apple publish iPad/iPhone WiFi specifications?
> Outside a local movie theatre my iPhone show 3 and my friends Galaxy 4S
> would show 7, but none of those 4 extras were strong enough to be
> accessed.
This is a good point.
What we'd need to know is whether the iPad/iPhone antennas:radios
are just lousy, or if they pick up more signal than they show,
but they choose to show only strong signals.
If Apple publishes the following, we could figure it out:
1. Radio transmit power (e.g., 50mW or 17dBm)
2. Radio receiver sensitivity (e.g., -95dBm)
3. Antenna gain (e.g., 3dBi)
Does Apple publish iPad/iPhone WiFi specifications?
nospam
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usually they just give you a box and it sits on a table somewhere.
> I trust his experienced judgement when he said he called them
> iCrap. It was also his view that the iPad/iPhone equipment had
> lousy radios (he called them "radios").
anyone who calls anything icrap is just a hater.
there is no evidence that ios devices have lousy radios.
> However, it would be nice to find a study that shows what
> the true decibels of gain are for the iPad radio/antenna
> combination, transmit power, and receive sensitivity.
>
> Does Apple publish those numbers?
no, but older ios devices could run a wifi analyzer app that showed
actual signal strength numbers.
<89414$53122958$43da7656$95...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > how many of those could you reliably establish a connection and then do
> > something with it?
> >
> > merely showing up in a list doesn't mean much if it's not usable.
>
> This is a good and valid point.
>
> I had also spoken (complained) to two people about this,
> one of whom is actually my ISP, who said that he gets
> frustrated when a customer can't connect to his wall and
> ceiling mounted access points that he installs in the larger houses.
your isp installs wall mount access points?
> > how many of those could you reliably establish a connection and then do
> > something with it?
> >
> > merely showing up in a list doesn't mean much if it's not usable.
>
> This is a good and valid point.
>
> I had also spoken (complained) to two people about this,
> one of whom is actually my ISP, who said that he gets
> frustrated when a customer can't connect to his wall and
> ceiling mounted access points that he installs in the larger houses.
usually they just give you a box and it sits on a table somewhere.
> I trust his experienced judgement when he said he called them
> iCrap. It was also his view that the iPad/iPhone equipment had
> lousy radios (he called them "radios").
there is no evidence that ios devices have lousy radios.
> However, it would be nice to find a study that shows what
> the true decibels of gain are for the iPad radio/antenna
> combination, transmit power, and receive sensitivity.
>
> Does Apple publish those numbers?
actual signal strength numbers.
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 6:51:22 PM3/1/14
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> what would that mystery button do?
Car mode could do the following for me:
1. Turn on bluetooth & connect to the car bluetooth speaker
2. Turn over the phone to voice control
3. Turn off WiFi (to save power, unless I'm war driving)
4. Turn on GPS & autmatically start up the map program
5. Set the bluetooth volume level to high by default
6. Turn on the screen display to remain on
etc.
Note that each item could have a checkbox to enable or
disable that action when car mode is enabled.
Also, the program to start could be any program (or none).
I wonder if there is a "batch" capability in iOS where
I could script the above actions?
> what would that mystery button do?
Car mode could do the following for me:
1. Turn on bluetooth & connect to the car bluetooth speaker
2. Turn over the phone to voice control
3. Turn off WiFi (to save power, unless I'm war driving)
4. Turn on GPS & autmatically start up the map program
5. Set the bluetooth volume level to high by default
6. Turn on the screen display to remain on
etc.
Note that each item could have a checkbox to enable or
disable that action when car mode is enabled.
Also, the program to start could be any program (or none).
I wonder if there is a "batch" capability in iOS where
I could script the above actions?
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 7:00:39 PM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 23:34:52 -0500, nospam wrote:
> i almost always want to
> rename it anyway so i don't really care what it picks.
One problem I can't fathom when renaming existing text is
that, for some reason, my fingers can't find the MIDDLE
of a word.
The blue cursor bar frustratingly jumps to the end of the
word, or to the beginning, neither of which is useful.
For example, I had typed "withering heights" instead of
"wuthering heights" and, the iPad just would not let me
change the "i" to a "u".
It took far too many button presses to edit that than
it should have. The usability of the edits was, in effect,
atrocious.
I really had expected the iPad to be MORE USABLE than Android,
not less useful.
So, I still can't believe that it's the iPad. It must be me.
Am I editing wrong?
> i almost always want to
> rename it anyway so i don't really care what it picks.
One problem I can't fathom when renaming existing text is
that, for some reason, my fingers can't find the MIDDLE
of a word.
The blue cursor bar frustratingly jumps to the end of the
word, or to the beginning, neither of which is useful.
For example, I had typed "withering heights" instead of
"wuthering heights" and, the iPad just would not let me
change the "i" to a "u".
It took far too many button presses to edit that than
it should have. The usability of the edits was, in effect,
atrocious.
I really had expected the iPad to be MORE USABLE than Android,
not less useful.
So, I still can't believe that it's the iPad. It must be me.
Am I editing wrong?
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 7:01:53 PM3/1/14
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 00:02:55 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> You would be better off turning off Location Services than turning on
> Airplane Mode. Airplane Mode also turns off WiFi and telephone
> capabilities.
Good point. I like your idea.
> You would be better off turning off Location Services than turning on
> Airplane Mode. Airplane Mode also turns off WiFi and telephone
> capabilities.
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 7:05:32 PM3/1/14
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 23:34:54 -0500, nospam wrote:
> sometimes that cursor on ios can be a royal bitch, especially at the
> boundaries of a text field.
But, does the cursor have the capability to be placed in the
*middle* of a word?
The exact example was that I had typed the wrong "wuthering"
and all I had wanted to do was change ONE CHARACTER.
I couldn't change a single character because I couldn't get
the cursor over to that character (the "u" is what I needed).
In theory, *can* the iPad cursor go to the middle of a word?
(or is that just impossible?)
> sometimes that cursor on ios can be a royal bitch, especially at the
> boundaries of a text field.
But, does the cursor have the capability to be placed in the
*middle* of a word?
The exact example was that I had typed the wrong "wuthering"
and all I had wanted to do was change ONE CHARACTER.
I couldn't change a single character because I couldn't get
the cursor over to that character (the "u" is what I needed).
In theory, *can* the iPad cursor go to the middle of a word?
(or is that just impossible?)
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 7:07:03 PM3/1/14
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 00:06:11 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> I have no problem doing that; I simply hold down my finger until the
> "magnifying glass" appears, and then slide to the spot where I want to
> place the cursor.
Ah. So this is one of those "obvious" things that I didn't
> I have no problem doing that; I simply hold down my finger until the
> "magnifying glass" appears, and then slide to the spot where I want to
> place the cursor.
find obvious.
I'll try that, because their *must* be a way to change a
single character without deleting all the following characters
first.
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 7:11:14 PM3/1/14
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 13:45:05 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> Does Apple publish those numbers?
>
> no, but older ios devices could run a wifi analyzer app that showed
> actual signal strength numbers.
That's a good idea for comparison between two devices in your hand.
>> Does Apple publish those numbers?
>
> no, but older ios devices could run a wifi analyzer app that showed
> actual signal strength numbers.
But, what we really need for comparison purposes is the true transmit
power (in mW or dB), antenna gain (in dBi), & receiver sensitivity
(in dBm).
The FCC must have a record of these antenna and radio specs
because they are required by law for all devices sold in
the United States.
I'll see if I can figure out of the FCC database is available
to the public.
nospam
Mar 1, 2014, 7:20:25 PM3/1/14
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<a07fd$53122c2a$43da7656$95...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
> 2. Turn over the phone to voice control
long press the home button.
> 3. Turn off WiFi (to save power, unless I'm war driving)
wifi also doesn't use much power when not in use.
or just get a car charger.
> 4. Turn on GPS & autmatically start up the map program
the app can't be auto-launched, but it can remain running in the
background and enable the gps if needed.
> 5. Set the bluetooth volume level to high by default
why not control it on the remote device, like the car?
> 6. Turn on the screen display to remain on
many apps do that automatically. one line of code.
> Note that each item could have a checkbox to enable or
> disable that action when car mode is enabled.
>
> Also, the program to start could be any program (or none).
or just let the app manage it when it's in the background.
> I wonder if there is a "batch" capability in iOS where
> I could script the above actions?
no. that's one of the things android does better.
<a07fd$53122c2a$43da7656$95...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > what would that mystery button do?
>
> Car mode could do the following for me:
> 1. Turn on bluetooth & connect to the car bluetooth speaker
leave bluetooth on. it doesn't use much power when not in use.
> > what would that mystery button do?
>
> Car mode could do the following for me:
> 1. Turn on bluetooth & connect to the car bluetooth speaker
> 2. Turn over the phone to voice control
> 3. Turn off WiFi (to save power, unless I'm war driving)
or just get a car charger.
> 4. Turn on GPS & autmatically start up the map program
background and enable the gps if needed.
> 5. Set the bluetooth volume level to high by default
> 6. Turn on the screen display to remain on
> Note that each item could have a checkbox to enable or
> disable that action when car mode is enabled.
>
> Also, the program to start could be any program (or none).
> I wonder if there is a "batch" capability in iOS where
> I could script the above actions?
nospam
Mar 1, 2014, 7:20:27 PM3/1/14
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<2776c$53122e58$43da7656$96...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
not let you type, although i doubt wuthering is one of them.
however, moving the cursor is sometimes a little tricky.
<2776c$53122e58$43da7656$96...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > i almost always want to
> > rename it anyway so i don't really care what it picks.
>
> One problem I can't fathom when renaming existing text is
> that, for some reason, my fingers can't find the MIDDLE
> of a word.
>
> The blue cursor bar frustratingly jumps to the end of the
> word, or to the beginning, neither of which is useful.
>
> For example, I had typed "withering heights" instead of
> "wuthering heights" and, the iPad just would not let me
> change the "i" to a "u".
autocorrect sometimes is obnoxious. there are occasional words it will
> > i almost always want to
> > rename it anyway so i don't really care what it picks.
>
> One problem I can't fathom when renaming existing text is
> that, for some reason, my fingers can't find the MIDDLE
> of a word.
>
> The blue cursor bar frustratingly jumps to the end of the
> word, or to the beginning, neither of which is useful.
>
> For example, I had typed "withering heights" instead of
> "wuthering heights" and, the iPad just would not let me
> change the "i" to a "u".
not let you type, although i doubt wuthering is one of them.
however, moving the cursor is sometimes a little tricky.
nospam
Mar 1, 2014, 7:20:28 PM3/1/14
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<d2636$53122f7c$43da7656$96...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
couple pixels for some letters and moving it with a giant finger.
it's often easier to not fight it and let it fall where it falls. you
might need to backspace 2 or 3 characters, but that's not a big deal.
<d2636$53122f7c$43da7656$96...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > sometimes that cursor on ios can be a royal bitch, especially at the
> > boundaries of a text field.
>
> But, does the cursor have the capability to be placed in the
> *middle* of a word?
sure. it can go wherever you want. the problem is that you're talking a
> > sometimes that cursor on ios can be a royal bitch, especially at the
> > boundaries of a text field.
>
> But, does the cursor have the capability to be placed in the
> *middle* of a word?
couple pixels for some letters and moving it with a giant finger.
it's often easier to not fight it and let it fall where it falls. you
might need to backspace 2 or 3 characters, but that's not a big deal.
nospam
Mar 1, 2014, 7:20:34 PM3/1/14
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<235f1$531230d3$43da7656$96...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
anything about the base station at all, other than it exists in the
building somewhere.
> The FCC must have a record of these antenna and radio specs
> because they are required by law for all devices sold in
> the United States.
>
> I'll see if I can figure out of the FCC database is available
> to the public.
it's probably listed, but that's a lab test, not real world conditions.
the test is simple: connect to one or more of the networks listed in
android that are not listed in ios. do they work? if so, how well? how
reliable is it?
be sure to test a lot of them in many different locations to get an
overall idea of what is happening.
<235f1$531230d3$43da7656$96...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> >> Does Apple publish those numbers?
> >
> > no, but older ios devices could run a wifi analyzer app that showed
> > actual signal strength numbers.
>
> That's a good idea for comparison between two devices in your hand.
>
> But, what we really need for comparison purposes is the true transmit
> power (in mW or dB), antenna gain (in dBi), & receiver sensitivity
> (in dBm).
which you'll never get for the base station. you may not even know
> >> Does Apple publish those numbers?
> >
> > no, but older ios devices could run a wifi analyzer app that showed
> > actual signal strength numbers.
>
> That's a good idea for comparison between two devices in your hand.
>
> But, what we really need for comparison purposes is the true transmit
> power (in mW or dB), antenna gain (in dBi), & receiver sensitivity
> (in dBm).
anything about the base station at all, other than it exists in the
building somewhere.
> The FCC must have a record of these antenna and radio specs
> because they are required by law for all devices sold in
> the United States.
>
> I'll see if I can figure out of the FCC database is available
> to the public.
the test is simple: connect to one or more of the networks listed in
android that are not listed in ios. do they work? if so, how well? how
reliable is it?
be sure to test a lot of them in many different locations to get an
overall idea of what is happening.
Liam O'Connor
Mar 1, 2014, 7:40:24 PM3/1/14
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 13:45:05 -0500, nospam wrote:
> anyone who calls anything icrap is just a hater.
Well, if you were in the business, and if it kept causing
you wasted service calls, you'd probably think differently.
> there is no evidence that ios devices have lousy radios.
A typical PC has a radio of receiver sensitivity of
something like -85dBm, and a radio transmit power of
something like 50mW and antenna gain of something like 1dBi.
It would be interesting to see what specs iPads iPhones have.
> your isp installs wall mount access points?
> usually they just give you a box and it sits on a table somewhere.
For a new customer, he comes to the house, and then sites
his antenna on your roof or on a mast in the back yard so that
it points to his access point, which can be 20 miles away.
Then he drills the holes to get his wires from outside to
the inside, to your home broadband router, where he plugs in
his radio power-over-ethernet (POE) power supply.
At that point, he can leave ... or ... you can ask him to
extend the WiFi signal in your house. Normally he installs
dome-shaped repeaters which look just like ceiling lamps.
So, "my" Wisp has been to every home, and knows all of us
intimately. I talk to him probably once every few months,
about something or other. And, to repeat, he has definite
opinions about his customers who bother him when they can't
get signal after he has installed these wifi extenders, and
he tells me that they always on Apple equipment.
It's just one anecdotal datapoint though.
I'd prefer to see the FCC report on the iPad specs.
tlvp
Mar 1, 2014, 10:08:30 PM3/1/14
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 00:06:11 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> ... simply hold down my finger until the
> "magnifying glass" appears, and then ...
What imbecile UI designer thought *that* would be a self-evident move?
(Sheesh!) Thanks, Michelle, for revealing that hidden secret :-) .
Jolly Roger
Mar 1, 2014, 11:00:01 PM3/1/14
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little magnifying glass under your finger showing the text insertion
point. If you continue to hold your finger down and move it, you can
move the insertion point to any character in the text.
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
JR
Jolly Roger
Mar 1, 2014, 11:00:50 PM3/1/14
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On 2014-03-01, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
wherever you want.
Jolly Roger
Mar 1, 2014, 11:02:05 PM3/1/14
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On 2014-03-01, tlvp <mPiOsUcB...@att.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 00:06:11 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> ... simply hold down my finger until the
>> "magnifying glass" appears, and then ...
>
> What imbecile UI designer thought *that* would be a self-evident move?
> (Sheesh!) Thanks, Michelle, for revealing that hidden secret :-) .
Seems quite useful to me. Do you have a better way?
> On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 00:06:11 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> ... simply hold down my finger until the
>> "magnifying glass" appears, and then ...
>
> What imbecile UI designer thought *that* would be a self-evident move?
> (Sheesh!) Thanks, Michelle, for revealing that hidden secret :-) .
Savageduck
Mar 1, 2014, 11:41:15 PM3/1/14
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On 2014-03-01 22:08:30 +0000, tlvp <mPiOsUcB...@att.net> said:
> On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 00:06:11 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> ... simply hold down my finger until the
>> "magnifying glass" appears, and then ...
>
> What imbecile UI designer thought *that* would be a self-evident move?
The same imbecile who thought it might be a good idea to produce a User
> On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 00:06:11 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> ... simply hold down my finger until the
>> "magnifying glass" appears, and then ...
>
> What imbecile UI designer thought *that* would be a self-evident move?
Guide for the iPad (& iPhone) and make it available via iBook, iTunes
or Apple support. He might even have thought some folks unfamiliar with
iOS might even read it somerime. So this seems like the appropriate
time to advise, RTFM.
Try looking in chapter 3 "Basics" for "Edit Text" :
< http://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/1000/MA1595/en_US/ipad_user_guide.pdf >
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_601.jpg >
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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