Is there a single useful Apple iOS camera capability that isn't already on Android?

[Tomos Davies]

Is there a single useful Apple iOS camera capability that isn't already on
Android?

The question was posed today on the iOS newsgroup, where nobody on that
newsgroup knows cameras well enough to find a *single* useful Apple iOS
phone camera functionality that isn't already on Android.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/qcRetD6w1o4/6tBWXoxuBgAJ

Even Savageduck, an avowed digital expert, hasn't named a single one.

It's a valid question, especially since most iOS users seem to blindly
assume there must be something, anything, that the Apple iOS phone cameras
can do that Android phone cameras don't already do.

Nospam named two but both are already on Android:
1. portrait mode <-- already on Android
2. optical zoom <-- already on Android

It's a fair digital photo question, especially since many people blindly
assume that what the Apple Marketing Machine tells them is truth.

Is there a single useful Apple iOS camera capability that isn't already on
Android?

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You'll need to be at least eight feet away from your subject.
Portrait Mode works with people and inanimate objects.
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How to Take 'Portrait Mode' Pictures on Android Like on the iPhone 7 Plus
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/take-portrait-mode-pictures-android-like-iphone-7-plus-0174262/

"The Google Camera app achieves this effect by creating a 3D map
of the scene while you're moving your phone, which allows it to
know which objects are closer to or further from the lens.
*This is the same way the iPhone 7 Plus works*, but it creates
the 3D map on the fly, whereas Google Camera does it after
you've taken a shot."

[Savageduck]

On 2017-04-30 02:17:34 +0000, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> said:

> Is there a single useful Apple iOS camera capability that isn't already on
> Android?
>
> The question was posed today on the iOS newsgroup, where nobody on that
> newsgroup knows cameras well enough to find a *single* useful Apple iOS
> phone camera functionality that isn't already on Android.
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/qcRetD6w1o4/6tBWXoxuBgAJ

Even
>
> Savageduck, an avowed digital expert, hasn't named a single one.

...and if you think I am going to be baited into playing your game just
because you have added rec.photo.digital to the NG distribution you are
mistaken. I have told you that I am done with you.

So good bye.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[android]

Follow up to: rec.photo.digital

In article <oe3hft$otg$1...@news.mixmin.net>,

Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a single useful Apple iOS camera capability that isn't already on
> Android?
>
> The question was posed today on the iOS newsgroup, where nobody on that
> newsgroup knows cameras well enough to find a *single* useful Apple iOS
> phone camera functionality that isn't already on Android.
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/qcRetD6w1o4/6tBWXoxuB
> gAJ

I don't think that folk get themselves an iPhone for the sake of
photography. DxOmark reviews do not indicate that iPhones would be more
then on par at best:

<https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles> Scores on the right.

If you want to improve on your iPhones pictures then I would ponder the
DxO One addon that makes your iPhone an one inch camera:

<http://www.dxo.com/us/dxo-one?utm_source=dxomark&utm_medium=display&utm_
content=footer&utm_campaign=rawlala>

I have a Xperia M4 and spend my money on real gear.
--
teleportation kills

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:2017042919514621210-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
suggested:

> ...and if you think I am going to be baited into playing your game just
> because you have added rec.photo.digital to the NG distribution you are
> mistaken. I have told you that I am done with you.

All that matters is that you are the most well known expert in digital
photography on the iOS newsgroups, where your own verifiable words today
are in message ID <2017042920105676737-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>

"In terms of camera function on iOS or Android devices of similar spec
there little to no difference, particularly with current phones."

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:lcjagcd3sphvra0e2...@4ax.com>, Bill W suggested:

> I don't think functions are the claimed difference. I've always heard
> claims of superior image quality. I have no knowledge of that either
> way.

To that end, here is a scientific assessment of the "image & video quality"
pf Apple iOS and Android devices based on a reference kindly supplied today
by user "android" in this thread:

https://www.dxomark.com
"DxO has extensively analyzed the image and video quality of
over 9,000 cameras, lenses and mobile phones. These analyses
are used by top camera manufacturers, media and help power
DxO software. DxOMark provides free public access to these
results to help guide your camera and lens decisions."

89
- Google Pixel
88
- HTC 10
- Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
- Sony Xperia X Performance
87
- Huawei P10
- Moto Z Force Droid
- Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge Plus
- Sony Xperia XZ
- Sony Xperia Z5
86
- Apple iPhone 7
- LG G5
- Samsung Galaxy Note V
- Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge
85
- Huawei Mate 9
- LG V20
84
- Apple iPhone 6s Plus
- Apple iPhone 6s
- Google Nexus 6P
- Moto Z Droid
- Moto G Plus
- Moto Droid Turbo 2
83
- LG G4
- Moto X Style
- Samsung Galaxy Note 4
82
- Apple iPhone 6s
- Apple iPhone 6 Plus
- Apple iPhone 6
- BlackBerry Priv
- Sony Xperia Z3+
- TCL 950
81
- Nextbit Robin
80
- Huawei P9
79
- Samsung Galaxy S5
- Sony Xperia M5
- Sony Xperia Z3
- Sony Xperia Z2
- Xiaomi Mi 5
78
- Google Nexus 6
- HTC One A9
- Xiaomi Mi 5SPlus
77
- Nokia 808 Pureview
- Nubia Z11
76
- Apple iPhone 5S
- OnePlus 2
- Sony Xperia Z1
75
- Samsung Galaxy S4
74
- Huawei P8
- Meizu Pro 6
- Nokia Lumia 1020
73
- LG G2
- Nokia Lumia 925
- Qiku Q Terra
72
- Apple iPhone 5
- Apple iPhone 4S
- Samsung Note II
- Samsung Galaxy S3
70
- GoPro HERO3
69
- Amazon Firephone
- HTC ONE M9
68
- HTC ONE M8
67
- BlackBerry Z10
66
- HTC 8X
- Nokia Lumia 920
61
- Sony Xperia Z
59
- Apple New iPad
57
- Samsung Galaxy S2
50
- Apple iPhone 4

REFERENCE: https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles

[Meanie]

On 4/29/2017 10:17 PM, Tomos Davies wrote:
> Is there a single useful Apple iOS camera capability that isn't already on
> Android?
>
> The question was posed today on the iOS newsgroup, where nobody on that
> newsgroup knows cameras well enough to find a *single* useful Apple iOS
> phone camera functionality that isn't already on Android.
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/qcRetD6w1o4/6tBWXoxuBgAJ
>
> Even Savageduck, an avowed digital expert, hasn't named a single one.
>
> It's a valid question, especially since most iOS users seem to blindly
> assume there must be something, anything, that the Apple iOS phone cameras
> can do that Android phone cameras don't already do.
>
> Nospam named two but both are already on Android:
> 1. portrait mode <-- already on Android
> 2. optical zoom <-- already on Android
>
> It's a fair digital photo question, especially since many people blindly
> assume that what the Apple Marketing Machine tells them is truth.
>
> Is there a single useful Apple iOS camera capability that isn't already on
> Android?
>

Why are you concerned with what is or isn't between the two? Why does it
matter what anyone thinks? If you don't like iPhone or Apple products,
don't buy it. It's that simple. Instead, whiners such as yourself go to
extremes with attempts to prove a point usually caused by your own
inferior and invidious issues. Get over it and stop crossposting because
they no longer give you attention.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:oe4lk1$nsu$1...@dont-email.me>, Meanie suggested:

> Why are you concerned with what is or isn't between the two? Why does it
> matter what anyone thinks? If you don't like iPhone or Apple products,
> don't buy it. It's that simple. Instead, whiners such as yourself go to
> extremes with attempts to prove a point usually caused by your own
> inferior and invidious issues. Get over it and stop crossposting because
> they no longer give you attention.

The Apple iOS users always *claim* that their camera can do things that
Android cameras can't, yet nobody can get an answer out of them as to what
on earth that could possibly be.

But, they're positive that their cameras are better than Android cameras.
In fact, they're positive that their software can "do stuff" that Android
can't do.

Yet, they can't think of a single thing that they can do that Android
doesn't do, where it's clear that there are tons of things that Android
does that iOS can't hope to do.

SO the question is what on earth are they thinking that iOS cameras can do
that Android cameras don't already do. You can't get the answer out of them
because it's their religion so they just believe it.

But not everyone is a believer in everything the Apple Marketing God tells
them to believe.

I am interested in psychology where the psychology of a guy who does his
own home repair (eg if he runs his own smoke test to fix lean condition
codes, he's a totally different type of person who sends the car to the
stealer for the same task) or a guy who is concerned with chromatic
aberration is a totally different kind of person than someone who takes all
their photos with a mobile device.

It turns out that the person who loves iOS, psychologically, is a cripple
in many ways, just like the operating system is, in that they seem to want
to take *all* their directives from the Apple Mother Ship, who is, by the
way, perfectly happy to oblige them (by feeding them exactly what they want
to hear).

Hence, the Apple iOS device users actually think their "cameras" take
decent pictures (because that's what the Mother Ship told communicated to
the Apple Marketing GPU embedded in their frontal cortex).

What's worse, if you point out the truth to them, they take it as an
affront to their religion, in that their religion knows no facts whatsoever
- and - in fact - they actually truly believe that there is some
functionality (any functionality) on iOS that is not already on Android.

That's just not true.

There is absolutely no fumnctionality whatsoever (camera or otherwise) that
is on Apple iOS products that isn't already on Android - and - since
Android is a superset - there is tons of functionality on Android that is
not allowed by Apple for iOS users.

Things like the ability to organize your desktop any way you want which are
so trivial on Android that it's utterly shocking that the simplest of
organizational tasks are impossible on iOS.

For example, this is a screenshot of my one desktop screen, which is
impossible to even get close to on all my iOS devices.
http://i.cubeupload.com/DHN8PC.gif

It's so trivial to set up the phone the way I like on Android that when I
try to organize iOS, it's amazing how crippled the entire platform is.

It's a verifiable fact that the Apple iOS user is crippled (by Apple) in
what they can do (and their psychology is that they feel "safe" by being
crippled in what they can do), and yet, the hardware is "about the same" as
on Android (so it's not the hardware that is crippling what the iOS apps
can do).
How are they going to load any app launcher?
Where is the app drawer functionality on iOS?
Why can't iOS users put app icons in different folders?
Why can't they simply delete any app icon they want to?
Why can't they do something as simple as name an icon to what they want?
Where's the youtube without ads functionality on iOS?
What about bit torrenting on iOS?
Heck, why can't iOS even tell the user the unique cell tower ID anymore?
Why can't iOS give a graph of the wifi signal strength over time?
Where's the FM radio on Apple devices if the user wants one?
What about expandable storage if the user wants it?
What about a user-replaceable battery upgrade if the user wants it
(this list of what Androidd does that Apple iOS can't goes on and on).

Meanwhile, the Android user, psychologically, is a completely different
user who, mostly, just buys on price performance is is willing to
understand and listen to facts about the platform.

So, as both an Android and iOS user, all I'm trying to find out is what (if
anything) can iOS do that Android doesn't already do, where this question
is specifically related to cameras.

I'm not afraid of the truth - but so far - the truth seems to be there is
absolutely nothing. And yet, their religion is such that they swear there
must be something (anything!) that Apple iOS devices can do that the
Android devices don't, by way of meaningful functionality.

Fine. I'm happy for them (and for me).
And yet, they still can't name a single bit of useful functionality.

Why not?

[Dean Hoffman]

On 4/30/17 11:17 AM, Tomos Davies wrote:

Some cut.

> The Apple iOS users always *claim* that their camera can do things that
> Android cameras can't, yet nobody can get an answer out of them as to what
> on earth that could possibly be.

A bunch cut.

It's probably nothing fancy other than habit. The individual
using it can do things easily with his iOS that would be tougher on
Android.
What happens when you hop into an unfamiliar vehicle?

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-04-30, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In <news:oe4lk1$nsu$1...@dont-email.me>, Meanie suggested:
>
>> Why are you concerned with what is or isn't between the two? Why does it
>> matter what anyone thinks? If you don't like iPhone or Apple products,
>> don't buy it. It's that simple. Instead, whiners such as yourself go to
>> extremes with attempts to prove a point usually caused by your own
>> inferior and invidious issues. Get over it and stop crossposting because
>> they no longer give you attention.
>
> The Apple iOS users always *claim*

Unlike you, the Apple-hating zealot troll, people in the Apple news
groups aren't obsessed with whether Apple's stuff is better. A quick
scan of past threads shows the only threads where pissing matches are
happening are threads created by *you*. The only reason this topic comes
up at all in the Apple news groups is because *you* are here bringing it
up. You apparently have no life, and get your sick kicks disrupting
otherwise peaceful news groups in an all-out effort to aggravate people
you don't even know in news groups for products you admittedly disdain.
You're a pathetic old man.

[remainder of your useless trollish ramblings rightfully ignored]

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[burfordTjustice]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 11:32:31 -0500
Dean Hoffman <dh0...@windstream.net> wrote:

> What happens when you hop into an unfamiliar vehicle?

I hear sirens and see pretty flashing lights!

[Erilar]

Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Is there a single useful Apple iOS camera capability that isn't already on
> Android?
>

What can Android do that my iPad can't? And since I also have a real
camera, a Nikon, that is pretty shockproof, waterproof, and can do things
neither iPad or some Android thing can do, what does it matter?


--
biblioholic medievalist via iPad

[Erilar]

Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In <news:oe4lk1$nsu$1...@dont-email.me>, Meanie
>

> I'm not afraid of the truth - but so far - the truth seems to be there is
> absolutely nothing. And yet, their religion is such that they swear there
> must be something (anything!) that Apple iOS devices can do that the
> Android devices don't, by way of meaningful functionality.
>

As an actual camera user for over 70 years, no overpriced phone will ever
take the place of a good camera for me.

[Meanie]

On 4/30/2017 12:17 PM, Tomos Davies wrote:

>
> The Apple iOS users always *claim* that their camera can do things that
> Android cameras can't, yet nobody can get an answer out of them as to what
> on earth that could possibly be.

SNIP! Irrelevant ranting.

SO WHAT?

>
> I am interested in psychology

No, you're interested in proving them wrong and that ridiculous run-on
tripe of a reply proves it. You are incapable of letting it go for those
to believe as they want. Millions of people believe in ghosts, aliens,
Yeti/Bigfoot, Zombies, etc, will you post lengthy rants to them also?
Their belief doesn't harm you or others unless you have inferior egos
which you are clearly harboring.

Obviously someone got under your skin and you are wearing your emotions
on your sleeve. Get over it already.

[Meanie]

It doesn't. It only matters to the owner/user if the features of a
product works for the intent for which they purchased. Of course, it
also matters to the insecure whiners who can't ignore when someone
thinks they have a great product. It's similar to motorcycle riders who
hate HD owners because HD owners still think it's all American and the
ultimate machine. Big deal! Friendly banter is one thing, over zealous
attempts to prove otherwise is childishly inferior and asinine.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:emmkcu...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:

> Unlike you, the Apple-hating zealot troll,

What's funny is if they look up "troll & Jolly Roger" that has more hits
than *any* other keyword combination with troll in the iOS newsgroups!

Try it:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/troll$20jolly$20roger%7C

You have proven yourself incapable of adding value to *any* technical
discussion.

This one is specifically seeking something on Apple iOS mobile cameras that
isn't already on Android.

Can you answer *that* question?

No?
Thought so.

You're the very definition of troll (just run the same search in the iPad
newsgroup and YOU come up most when the word is associated with you).

I only speak verifiable facts.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/jolly$20roger$20troll

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:oe5fj8$hcf$1...@dont-email.me>, Meanie suggested:

> It doesn't. It only matters to the owner/user if the features of a
> product works for the intent for which they purchased. Of course, it
> also matters to the insecure whiners who can't ignore when someone
> thinks they have a great product. It's similar to motorcycle riders who
> hate HD owners because HD owners still think it's all American and the
> ultimate machine. Big deal! Friendly banter is one thing, over zealous
> attempts to prove otherwise is childishly inferior and asinine.

As a rider myself, I can categorically say that it's my opinion that no HD
owner actually thinks his bike is "better" functionally than other bikes.

It's completely different. It's American iron.
It's iconic. It's historic (Milwaukee even trademarked the *sound* they
emit, for heaven's sake, so that it wouldn't be copied by the rice
burners).

But nobody riding a Harley thinks the bike stands a snowball's chance in
Hell outperforming even a rice burner of similar size, let alone a beemer.

The Hog owner *knows* his machine's limitations, unlike the iPhone/iPad
owner.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:oe5f6n$g2k$1...@dont-email.me>, Meanie suggested:

> You are incapable of letting it go for those
> to believe as they want. Millions of people believe in ghosts, aliens,
> Yeti/Bigfoot, Zombies, etc,

You forgot the global warming hoaxers versus deniers ... :)

That's another religion devoid of facts where people get upset the moment
you ask them to prove their "facts".

But let's not get started on that...

[Meanie]

"ETC" means "many more". Conspiracy theorists are everywhere. If they
don't want to heed the facts the first time....let it go! Tunnel vision
is incurable.

[Meanie]

On 4/30/2017 5:06 PM, Tomos Davies wrote:

> In <news:oe5fj8$hcf$1...@dont-email.me>, Meanie suggested:
>
>> It doesn't. It only matters to the owner/user if the features of a
>> product works for the intent for which they purchased. Of course, it
>> also matters to the insecure whiners who can't ignore when someone
>> thinks they have a great product. It's similar to motorcycle riders who
>> hate HD owners because HD owners still think it's all American and the
>> ultimate machine. Big deal! Friendly banter is one thing, over zealous
>> attempts to prove otherwise is childishly inferior and asinine.
>
> As a rider myself, I can categorically say that it's my opinion that no HD
> owner actually thinks his bike is "better" functionally than other bikes.

Nowhere did I say "better".

>
> It's completely different. It's American iron.
> It's iconic. It's historic (Milwaukee even trademarked the *sound* they
> emit, for heaven's sake, so that it wouldn't be copied by the rice
> burners).

Check your facts. They tried for 6 years and withdrew the application in
2000 claiming it had won in the court of public opinion. They also tried
to trademark the term "Hog" and failed.

>
> But nobody riding a Harley thinks the bike stands a snowball's chance in
> Hell outperforming even a rice burner of similar size, let alone a beemer.

You need to get out more and check those facts as well instead of
whining in forums with attempted chest thumping of issues your insecure
ego can't handle.

>
> The Hog owner *knows* his machine's limitations, unlike the iPhone/iPad
> owner.
>

Yet many inferior souls don't know their limitations of whining levels.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:oe5eba$c37$1...@dont-email.me>, Erilar suggested:

> What can Android do that my iPad can't? And since I also have a real
> camera, a Nikon, that is pretty shockproof, waterproof, and can do things
> neither iPad or some Android thing can do, what does it matter?

Erilar,

I only speak facts.
But I don't mince words.
Meanie is completely wrong.

He doesn't appear to know what he's talking about.
He's just guessing. Or, he's parrotting what Apple told him to say.

You can tell he has no idea what he's talking about because not only is he
dead wrong, but he provided you with zero facts that support his opinion
that they have the same app functionality.

When it's easily provable otherwise.

The Android device has so much more app functionality than an iPad or
iPhone that it's not even close. It's a superset. But it depends on what
you actually *do* with the device.

BTW, it's not the Apple hardware that makes Apple mobile devices inferior
in functionality to Android app functionality because Apple hardware is
generally pretty good.

It's Apple who cripples what the apps can do functionally.

Even jailbroken, Apple iOS devices are less functional than similarly
rooted Android devices, but that's more due to the market catering to
rooted devices than to the hardware since theorectially, once you remove
Apple's shackles, the hardware is about the same.

Assuming non jailbroken non rooted devices, there's no question that
Android device functionality is a superset of iOS functionality.

But everything depends on what *you* care about.
If all you do is web browse, watch videos, and snap photos, the fact that
iOS app functionality is cripped won't even be noticeable to you.

But if you want to organize your desktop the way you want, and as I have my
Android device organized, you'll find *that* completely impossible on iOS:

An organizational task as trivially simple as putting an icon wherever you
want it on your desktop, on any grid, of any size, in any location, is just
impossible on the primitive iOS app launcher.
http://i.cubeupload.com/XchWXl.gif

On the primitive iOS launcher, you can't do the simplest organizational
tasks such as renaming icons; you can't delete any one you one from your
desktop (on iOS you can only delete "some"); you can't put them in
duplicate locations; you can't have them organized in a fully functional
app-drawer app (all you can do is make dumb folders named "app drawer", as
if Apple expects every user to come up with their own solution.

The primitive look and feel of iOS extends far (much further) than just the
primitive app launcher in that on iOS you can't even select a *different*
app launcher (which is trivial to do on Android) which has other features.

The iOS apps themselves are crippled.

For example, on Android it's trivial to watch youtube videos without ever
seeing any ads, and to download either the audio or the video of those
youtube videos from that same app. On iOS you will never be ad free like
you are on Android and you have to resort to third party web sites or some
other mechanism just to download the video or audio.

On iOS, you can't bit torrent. Apple won't let you. On Android you can.

On iOS, you can't even get a graphical display of your wifi output over
time for heaven's sake. Something as simple as indicating the cellular
tower strength and unique cell id is impossible on iOS, for example.

On iOS, you can't even output your list of installed apps to an editable
text files, for heaven's sake, without having to install iTunes on a
separate computer just to do something as simple as that.

You can't save your APK (app installer zip files) after the fact and then
reinstall them on any similar iOS device, which is trivial to do on
Android.

If you want Wifi or cellular connection logging, it's trivial on Android,
and impossible on iOS. Same with automatic call answering and automatic
call recording (although nospam just recently said it was finally on iOS
but he lies so often that we'd have to doublecheck everything he says - but
I'm willing to check that for you if you're interested).

You can't even back up the *entire* device (the iOS users "say" they can
but they have a different (ka Apple Marketing) definition of "entire" than
the rest of the world does). Hence backtracking in versions is vastly more
problematic on iOS than on Android.

Heck, you can't even bluetooth a file from an iOS device to *any* computer
not on a local network (aka an "ad hoc network" or "ad hoc file transfer
services", because Apple feels you don't need to ever do that (except when
you do - the Apple users just give up and you get your files across).

You can't set the screen orientation by app on iOS, and you can't have it
different for the desktop versus for the apps either.

And we're not even talking about the crippling hardware limitations of all
Apple mobile devices such as the batteries, external storage, inductive
coupling, native dual sims, FM radios, etc. (which some Android devices
also lack).

And that's just some stuff I know about offhand, where every one of those
issues above has its own thread on how to do it in the Apple newsgroups,
where the answer is that not a single iOS user can do it.

They *say* they do it - but not one of them actually can because all they
do is lie about things which are factually provable.

Given that's the list I thought of, offhand, for you, you can imagine how
many *other* things Android does that iOS can't do. Remember, we've *asked*
many times if there is any app functionality that iOS can do that Android
doesn't already do, and *nobody* can come up with anything more than Apple
trademarks for things that already exist on Android (e.g., payment methods,
file transfer methods, remote dialing methods, etc.).

Bear in mind that Meanie responded to you without providing any facts
whereas I provide verifiable fact. Keep that in mind.

Having said that I provide verifiable facts, it may be that all you do is
browse the web and listen to music on your iPad, in which case the two
platforms are functionally similar.

It's only when you try to do stuff not scripted by the Apple Marketing
Machine that you find out that it's impossible to do *lots* of stuff on the
primitive closed-system iOS interface, which is trivial to do on the more
modern more open Android interface.

I hope you appreciate the detail because most people won't risk stating
facts on a Usenet thread but I do and while the iOS users will scream and
cry that my facts are wrong - you'll notice that they will NOT provide the
facts to support their opinion.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:oe5kld$15s$1...@dont-email.me>, Meanie suggested:

> "ETC" means "many more". Conspiracy theorists are everywhere. If they
> don't want to heed the facts the first time....let it go! Tunnel vision
> is incurable.

Good point. Thank you for pointing out the "etc".
I stand corrected, and gladly so.

[sms]

On 4/29/2017 7:17 PM, Tomos Davies wrote:
> Is there a single useful Apple iOS camera capability that isn't already on
> Android?

You can't just say "Android." The hardware is definitely part of the
equation. The iPhone 7 Plus is the first iPhone with dual cameras and it
joined a handful of Android phones that had that feature.

Portrait mode on Samsung models is accomplished with only one camera,
and the Google camera app does the same thing on the Pixel phones. There
is also an iOS app that accomplishes the same effect on iPhones with
only one rear camera.

<https://www.mobilescout.com/android/news/n69960/Best-smartphones-dual-rear-cameras.html>

[nospam]

In article <oe5mul$b5q$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> You can't just say "Android." The hardware is definitely part of the
> equation. The iPhone 7 Plus is the first iPhone with dual cameras and it
> joined a handful of Android phones that had that feature.

simply having a dual lens camera isn't what sets the 7+ apart. it's
portrait mode, which no other android phone has.

> Portrait mode on Samsung models is accomplished with only one camera,
> and the Google camera app does the same thing on the Pixel phones. There
> is also an iOS app that accomplishes the same effect on iPhones with
> only one rear camera.

none of those are the same. not even close.

not only that, but the google camera app *can't* be used for portraits.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:oe5lit$4bn$1...@dont-email.me>, Meanie suggested:

>> As a rider myself, I can categorically say that it's my opinion that no HD
>> owner actually thinks his bike is "better" functionally than other bikes.
>
> Nowhere did I say "better".

Thank you for pointing out the distinction.

In both cases though, the distinction is that the *personality* of the
person who choose one platform over the other is distinctly different.

HOG vs Beemer vs RICER (totally different personalities & affluence levels)
iOS vs Android (completely different personalities in most cases)

It's sort of like the difference in personality between some guy who asks
What synthetic oil does BMW tell me to put in my bimmer?

Anyone who even *asks* that question should get the answer that you should
only put in LL-01 certified oil (depending on the model year) and nothing
else (which knocks out perfectly good oils simply because they're not
certified).

But a person who asks simply "what oil do you use" gets a different answer,
that has a bit more detail such as API quality levels and SAE viscosity
constraints and cost/composition considerations (given there are multiple
"types" of motor oils that meet API and SAE needs at the base level).

My point is that the iOS user and Android user personality follows the same
pattern that you can tell, from the question, what the user *wants* to hear
as the answer.

One wants to feel "safe" by the answer; the other just wants the correct
answer.

> Check your facts. They tried for 6 years and withdrew the application in
> 2000 claiming it had won in the court of public opinion. They also tried
> to trademark the term "Hog" and failed.

Thanks for correcting the trademarking of the distinctive tailpipe sound.
I had always thought that a rather unusual request for respite from
competition.

> You need to get out more and check those facts as well instead of
> whining in forums with attempted chest thumping of issues your insecure
> ego can't handle.

I think my ego is quite secure, but you're welcome to attack my facts.
I learn from what others say and I'm not afraid to state the facts.

>> The Hog owner *knows* his machine's limitations, unlike the iPhone/iPad
>> owner.
>>
>
> Yet many inferior souls don't know their limitations of whining levels.

Look above to see who is actually whining.

I presented verifiable facts in my answer to Erilar for example.
Where are yours to support your (completely wrong) answer to Erilar?

If you can't tell us that my facts are wrong, then your answer to her was
dead wrong - and therefore you did her a disservice.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:300420171813450185%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam suggested:

> simply having a dual lens camera isn't what sets the 7+ apart. it's
> portrait mode, which no other android phone has.

If that were true, then you could back that statement up with facts.
Where are your facts?

We already presented a reference in the OP that said, verbatim:

*This is the same way the iPhone 7 Plus works*, but it creates
the 3D map on the fly, whereas Google Camera does it after
you've taken a shot."

You can claim that reference is wrong, and that's fine, but where is your
reference that supports your claim?

(Given that you *never* have references for what you say, I won't hold my
breath while waiting for you to back up *anything* you say with facts.)

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:oe5mul$b5q$1...@dont-email.me>, sms suggested:

> You can't just say "Android." The hardware is definitely part of the
> equation. The iPhone 7 Plus is the first iPhone with dual cameras and it
> joined a handful of Android phones that had that feature.
>
> Portrait mode on Samsung models is accomplished with only one camera,
> and the Google camera app does the same thing on the Pixel phones. There
> is also an iOS app that accomplishes the same effect on iPhones with
> only one rear camera.
>
> <https://www.mobilescout.com/android/news/n69960/Best-smartphones-dual-rear-cameras.html>

We're not writing a doctoral thesis so it's already understood by all that
you can't just say "iOS" either.

We're discussion supersets and subsets here.

[Meanie]

WTF? I'm not reading Erilar's replies or disputing anything about the
IOS. I'm calling you out on your pathetic diatribes while cross posting
in a group not even associated with iPhone or electronics for that matter.

>
> If you can't tell us that my facts are wrong, then your answer to her was
> dead wrong - and therefore you did her a disservice.

Again, WTF are you talking about? No, forget that. I don't care. You
have issues.

What part of "let it go" do you fail to comprehend? You thumped your
chest with your so called facts about IOS.....BRAVO! Job well done? You
da man! You just don't know when to quit. Fortunately, I do.

[nospam]

In article <oe5p0i$83s$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies

<cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > simply having a dual lens camera isn't what sets the 7+ apart. it's
> > portrait mode, which no other android phone has.
>
> If that were true, then you could back that statement up with facts.

i sure can, as can anyone who actually has used it, something which you
have *not* done.

you're talking out your ass, as usual.

> Where are your facts?

the real question is where are *your* facts??

> We already presented a reference in the OP that said, verbatim:
> *This is the same way the iPhone 7 Plus works*, but it creates
> the 3D map on the fly, whereas Google Camera does it after
> you've taken a shot."

that's *not* a reference.

it's nothing more than a puff piece about a feature that doesn't even
do what they claim it does. it's *not* portrait mode because it *can't*
be used for portraits!

it also contradicts itself. creating a 3d map on the fly and creating a
3d map afterwards (and by moving the camera in a specific way)
*cannot* be the same.

worse, whatever 3d map it supposedly creates is entirely dependent on
the user's movements. that's bad.

> You can claim that reference is wrong, and that's fine, but where is your
> reference that supports your claim?

my extensive experience in photography along with the obvious.

note that *none* of the examples they show are actually portraits.

there's a very good reason why, and it's because what it does *won't*
*work* for portraits.

anyone who knows even the slightest bit about photography (which
clearly is not you) will understand why.

[Meanie]

On 4/30/2017 6:24 PM, Tomos Davies wrote:

>

>> You need to get out more and check those facts as well instead of
>> whining in forums with attempted chest thumping of issues your insecure
>> ego can't handle.
>
> I think my ego is quite secure, but you're welcome to attack my facts.
> I learn from what others say and I'm not afraid to state the facts.

BTW, you aren't stating facts. You were wrong about HD's trademark and
assuming all HD owners think alike. Don't confuse your opinion with
facts. Facts = truth. You stated nothing of the sort. I'm beginning to
see the problem with you.

[Lewis]

In message <oe5eba$c37$1...@dont-email.me> Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> Is there a single useful Apple iOS camera capability that isn't already on
>> Android?
>>
> What can Android do that my iPad can't?

Sooooo many thing:

Run viruses.
Install Rootkits to send all your data (ALL) to China.

Install firmware viruses that you cannot mitigate against

Run "normal" apps that invade your privacy and track everything you do
and everywhere you go and send that data to ad bots, malware bots, and
nefarious hosts that will pwn your device.

Install software you didn't know was being installed or want installed
along side something you thought you did want.

Automatically place calls to very expensive "900" type numbers or make
"in-app" purchases without you knowledge.

Watermark your photographs with your personal information so that
"authorities" can prove you were the one who took a picture they didn't
like.

Automatically send all your photographs to a government agency (or
private company) without your knowledge.

Run background tasks indiscriminately that drain your battery and your
data allotment.

And so many other things.

Yeah, Android CAN do so much more.

--
Don't congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. You
choices are half chance; so are everybody else's.

[Scott Schuckert]

In article <oe52m7$pgg$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies

<cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How are they going to load any app launcher?
> Where is the app drawer functionality on iOS?
> Why can't iOS users put app icons in different folders?
> Why can't they simply delete any app icon they want to?
> Why can't they do something as simple as name an icon to what they want?
> Where's the youtube without ads functionality on iOS?
> What about bit torrenting on iOS?
> Heck, why can't iOS even tell the user the unique cell tower ID anymore?
> Why can't iOS give a graph of the wifi signal strength over time?
> Where's the FM radio on Apple devices if the user wants one?
> What about expandable storage if the user wants it?
> What about a user-replaceable battery upgrade if the user wants it
> (this list of what Androidd does that Apple iOS can't goes on and on).

The typical Apple user doesn't care about any of that stuff. Bit
Torrent? REALLY? I think the perceived comparison exists only in your
mind. Trust me, I worked for Apple for many years - the Apple user
cares about getting high quality funtionality simply, easily, and
elegantly. The details of the specs really don't matter. Matter of
fact, Apple products have never been about being "best" in any
technical way.

Depending on how old you are, you may remember Bang & Olufsen hi-fi
gear (they're still in business, sorta). Immaculately, elegantly
constructed, and sounded better than, oh, 80% of the rest of the
market. They weren't even slightly interested in the other 20%. You
pressed the button and quality music came out. Want to know the RMS
power output? Call the factory; otherwise it's "enough."

Steve Jobs famously used B&O; My setup from the late 70's is still
gracing my living room.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-04-30, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In <news:emmkcu...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:
>
>> Unlike you, the Apple-hating zealot troll,
>
> What's funny is if they look up "troll & Jolly Roger" that has more hits
> than *any* other keyword combination with troll in the iOS newsgroups!
>
> Try it:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/troll$20jolly$20roger%7C

What's *really* funny is all of those threads you point to are threads
*you* created to troll the Apple news groups. Your many nyms are known
to the regulars in these news groups: Paul B. Andersen, Adair Bordon,
Liam O'Connor, Juan Camilo Blanco, Alphonse Arnaud, Danny D., Vinny
Perado, Whitney Ryan, Tony Cito, Adam H. Kerman, Werner Obermeier,
Steven Bornfeld, Winston_Smith, Mitch Kaufmann, Paul M. Cook, E.
Robinson, Alice J., P. Ng, Tam Nguyen, VPN user, Joe Clock, Marob Katon,
Chris Rangoon, AArdvarks, Conradt, Gustl Hoffmann, Henry Jones, Tatsuki
Takahashi, AL, Horace Algier, Karl Schultz, Arthur Conan Doyle, Algeria
Horan, Horace Algier, Raymond Spruance III, Martin Chuzzlewit II, John
Harmon, Yanis Bernard, Stijn De Jong, Abe Swanson, Misha Vasiliev, Tomos
Davies - all you, the same nym-switching Apple-hating Android zealot
dumb ass no-life troll.

> I only speak verifiable facts.

You only lie and troll, because you have no life. You are a pathetic and
sad old man whose only joy is aggravating and disrupting Apple news
groups because you are filled with irrational hate. You can't die fast
enough for the rest of humanity. We will celebrate with a beer the day
you finally fall off a cliff and fade away. You will be quickly
forgotten by most people, and won't be missed. That will be your
self-created legacy to the world. Just pathetic.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:slrnogdvs5....@snow.local>, Lewis suggested:

> Sooooo many thing:
>
> Run viruses.
> Install Rootkits to send all your data (ALL) to China.

Apple cripples what iOS can do just so that the user can *feel* safe.

The weakest link in any consumer mobile device is what makes the device
unsafe, not the operating system.

> Yeah, Android CAN do so much more.

Lewis ... you are an enigma because you are on the a.u.e newsgroups, which
usually only intelligent people are on, but you have never once in your
life posted anything resembling technical acumen on the technical
newsgroups.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:oe5spf$q84$1...@dont-email.me>, Meanie suggested:

> BTW, you aren't stating facts. You were wrong about HD's trademark and
> assuming all HD owners think alike. Don't confuse your opinion with
> facts. Facts = truth. You stated nothing of the sort. I'm beginning to
> see the problem with you.

You are correct that Harley failed to trademark their potato-potato-potato
sound, but only because it's really hard to tradmark a sound.

There's nothing in the Lanham Act that precludes trademarking a sound mind
you, and certainly MGM, THX, Nissan, NBC, T-Mobile, 20th Century Fox,
Duracell, Samsung, Harlem Globetrotters, McDonalds, Sony, Lucasfilms,
Intel, Nokia, and AAMCO have all successfully trademarked sounds.

But, I agree, Harley, as you noted, tried vehemently for six years
straight, and finally gave up, as their case was too weak from the start.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:010520170715316310%n...@aol.com>, Scott Schuckert suggested:

> The typical Apple user doesn't care about any of that stuff.

This is true that iOS as functional as Android is if all the user does is
web browse, listen to music, etc.; but the minute they try to do organize
their desktop, they find out that the operating system is crippled.

They can't change their launcher ... so ...
They can't put an icon where they want to put it.
They can't duplicate an icon to put it in multiple logical folders.
They can't create empty placeholder folders for future use (or which were
simply emptied but they still want for future use).
They can't rename an icon to make more sense.
They can't hide any icon they want or eliminate the dock if they want.
They can't even get rid of desktop screens which came in iOS 9 for heaven's
sake, so they *all* have multiple desktop screens even if they only want
one.
They can't change the grid where the icons go, or the size of the icons.
etc.

These are facts.

Basically, the primitive iOS user interface is completely crippled,
compared to what a modern interface, such as that on Android can do.

> Bit Torrent? REALLY?

Yes. Really. Bit torrent is just one useful functionality that iOS lacks.

> I think the perceived comparison exists only in your mind.

I stated a fact. Not a figment of imagination.
Bit torrent apps are not allowed by Apple.

Are you saying that's not a fact?
I only speak facts.

The entire Apple ecosystem is crippled in functionality not by the
hardware, but by the shackles put on what it allows the apps to do by
Apple.

Do you dispute this fact?

> Trust me, I worked for Apple for many years - the Apple user
> cares about getting high quality funtionality simply, easily, and
> elegantly.

I can prove that instantly to be a fallacy.
What you're actually saying is what the Apple Marketing Machine told you to
say. They're one of the best Marketing Machine on the planet.

The typical Apple user *wants* his apps to be crippled, because it makes
him *feel* safe.

That is the *main* driver of the typical Apple user.
The feeling (not actual fact) of safety.

The second main driver is cachet.
For feeling safe (and for cachet), the user accepts a crippled user
interface.

> The details of the specs really don't matter. Matter of
> fact, Apple products have never been about being "best" in any
> technical way.

At least you said one true fact.
Look at Apple Maps for example.

> Depending on how old you are, you may remember Bang & Olufsen hi-fi
> gear (they're still in business, sorta).

I'm pretty old, but never was an audiophile.

Think selenium rectifiers and at best, if super high tech, then think
gallium arsenide top hats insulated with transparent sheets of mylar
slathered with white titanium oxide paste when we had to replace them
ourselves.

> Immaculately, elegantly
> constructed, and sounded better than, oh, 80% of the rest of the
> market. They weren't even slightly interested in the other 20%. You
> pressed the button and quality music came out. Want to know the RMS
> power output? Call the factory; otherwise it's "enough."

While I wasn't an audiophile, we knew, even then, that the 3db point on
most speakers were outlandishly optimistic.

> Steve Jobs famously used B&O; My setup from the late 70's is still
> gracing my living room.

Wow. Mine was so big, as I recall, it could be used as a boat anchor. It's
somewhere in the attic all boxed up. Good for you that it still works as
finding replacement tubes started getting difficult just as mine died.

[nospam]

In article <oe7lrs$7j7$4...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies

<cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Bit Torrent? REALLY?
>
> Yes. Really. Bit torrent is just one useful functionality that iOS lacks.

nothing about ios prevents bittorrent.

[PAS]

On 4/30/2017 1:46 AM, Tomos Davies wrote:
> In <news:lcjagcd3sphvra0e2...@4ax.com>, Bill W suggested:
>
>> I don't think functions are the claimed difference. I've always heard
>> claims of superior image quality. I have no knowledge of that either
>> way.
> To that end, here is a scientific assessment of the "image & video quality"
> pf Apple iOS and Android devices based on a reference kindly supplied today
> by user "android" in this thread:
>
> https://www.dxomark.com
> "DxO has extensively analyzed the image and video quality of
> over 9,000 cameras, lenses and mobile phones. These analyses
> are used by top camera manufacturers, media and help power
> DxO software. DxOMark provides free public access to these
> results to help guide your camera and lens decisions."
>
> 89
> - Google Pixel
> 88
> - HTC 10
> - Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
> - Sony Xperia X Performance
> 87
> - Huawei P10
> - Moto Z Force Droid
> - Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge Plus
> - Sony Xperia XZ
> - Sony Xperia Z5
> 86
> - Apple iPhone 7
> - LG G5
> - Samsung Galaxy Note V
> - Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge
> 85
> - Huawei Mate 9
> - LG V20
> 84
> - Apple iPhone 6s Plus
> - Apple iPhone 6s
> - Google Nexus 6P
> - Moto Z Droid
> - Moto G Plus
> - Moto Droid Turbo 2
> 83
> - LG G4
> - Moto X Style
> - Samsung Galaxy Note 4
> 82
> - Apple iPhone 6s
> - Apple iPhone 6 Plus
> - Apple iPhone 6
> - BlackBerry Priv
> - Sony Xperia Z3+
> - TCL 950
> 81
> - Nextbit Robin
> 80
> - Huawei P9
> 79
> - Samsung Galaxy S5
> - Sony Xperia M5
> - Sony Xperia Z3
> - Sony Xperia Z2
> - Xiaomi Mi 5
> 78
> - Google Nexus 6
> - HTC One A9
> - Xiaomi Mi 5SPlus
> 77
> - Nokia 808 Pureview
> - Nubia Z11
> 76
> - Apple iPhone 5S
> - OnePlus 2
> - Sony Xperia Z1
> 75
> - Samsung Galaxy S4
> 74
> - Huawei P8
> - Meizu Pro 6
> - Nokia Lumia 1020
> 73
> - LG G2
> - Nokia Lumia 925
> - Qiku Q Terra
> 72
> - Apple iPhone 5
> - Apple iPhone 4S
> - Samsung Note II
> - Samsung Galaxy S3
> 70
> - GoPro HERO3
> 69
> - Amazon Firephone
> - HTC ONE M9
> 68
> - HTC ONE M8
> 67
> - BlackBerry Z10
> 66
> - HTC 8X
> - Nokia Lumia 920
> 61
> - Sony Xperia Z
> 59
> - Apple New iPad
> 57
> - Samsung Galaxy S2
> 50
> - Apple iPhone 4
>
> REFERENCE: https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles

Highest Android score: 89. Highest iPhone score: 86. A virtual tie.
Do you honestly think you could see any real difference in an actual
photo using the two phones?

[Erilar]

PAS <a...@doremi.net> wrote:

>
> Highest Android score: 89. Highest iPhone score: 86. A virtual tie.
> Do you honestly think you could see any real difference in an actual
> photo using the two phones?
>

You can easily see a difference between the result of a phone and a good
camera used by someone who knows how to use the latter, however!



--
biblioholic medievalist via iPad

[PAS]

Yes, but I'm addressing the differences between the highest scoring
Android phone and the highest scoring iPhone.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:010520171207553116%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam suggested:

>> Yes. Really. Bit torrent is just one useful functionality that iOS lacks.
>
> nothing about ios prevents bittorrent.

Apple is the part about iOS that prevents bit torrent apps.
Plus the fact you can't use a secondary app store unless you jailbreak.

Once you jailbreak, then no longer is iOS a crippled operating system.
I've never said otherwise.

It's not the hardware that makes iOS so primitive in functionality compared
to a modern and more open model such as Android is.

It's Apple.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:emp3mo...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:

> You are a pathetic and
> sad old man whose only joy is aggravating and disrupting Apple news
> groups because you are filled with irrational hate.

And yet, all that vitriol comes from the likes of you.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:oe7tlm$b31$1...@dont-email.me>, Erilar suggested:

>> Highest Android score: 89. Highest iPhone score: 86. A virtual tie.
>> Do you honestly think you could see any real difference in an actual
>> photo using the two phones?
>>
>
> You can easily see a difference between the result of a phone and a good
> camera used by someone who knows how to use the latter, however!

You can find SLR camera scores in plenty of camera aficionado web sites,
where the lens is a key factor that mobile devices just can't compete with.

So, while Android barely edges out iOS (in general) in all the tests that
matter, the hardware between decent Android phones and most iOS phones (all
of which are decent hardware for their day) is about the same.

It's not the hardware that makes iOS so functionally primitive.
It's Apple.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:oe7ofp$ku9$2...@dont-email.me>, PAS suggested:

> Highest Android score: 89. Highest iPhone score: 86. A virtual tie.
> Do you honestly think you could see any real difference in an actual
> photo using the two phones?

I have always said that the Apple and high end Android hardware is about
the same, so, it's not me who is ever going to say that the end result of
Android is better than iOS.

Apple iOS may be a primitive operating system, but the camera hardware is
modern.

That Android beats out iOS camera results by only a little bit isn't
shocking since the high end hardware overall on both platforms is about the
same.

[nospam]

In article <oe84dc$6o5$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies

<cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> >> Yes. Really. Bit torrent is just one useful functionality that iOS lacks.
> >
> > nothing about ios prevents bittorrent.
>
> Apple is the part about iOS that prevents bit torrent apps.

no they don't

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:300420171911509296%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam suggested:

> the real question is where are *your* facts??

I provided a reference which factually backed up their statement:

*This is the same way the iPhone 7 Plus works"

I also provided a referenced listing (that someone else provided to me)
showing that Android phones and iOS phones are just about the same in
camera output too (with Android on top, but not by a lot).

You provided exactly 0 references.
Whom would you trust?

a. The guy who only speaks facts, or,
b. You, who just makes this stuff up.

I'm perfectly happy to look at your references, but you provided none.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:010520171606030413%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam suggested:

>> Apple is the part about iOS that prevents bit torrent apps.
>
> no they don't

As they told you when they handed you your head on the Linux newsgroups,
your contrarian opinion is duly noted.

[Tomos Davies]

> Is there a single useful Apple iOS camera capability that
> isn't already on Android?

Correction in transcription of the test results.

[Jolly Roger]

^ Pathetic old fart troll can't take his own medicine. : )

[nospam]

In article <oe84ru$7lt$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies

<cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > the real question is where are *your* facts??
>
> I provided a reference which factually backed up their statement:
> *This is the same way the iPhone 7 Plus works"

that's not a reference and if you actually read it, you'd see their own
description *isn't* the same nor can it be.

> I also provided a referenced listing (that someone else provided to me)
> showing that Android phones and iOS phones are just about the same in
> camera output too (with Android on top, but not by a lot).

the difference is completely insignificant.

it's like saying a honda gets 27 mpg and a toyota gets 28 mpg, except
that in real world use, nobody will notice *any* difference and could
see results totally opposite, depending on how and where they drive.

not only that, but dxo is not well regarded in camera circles. they
claim that the nikon d810 is capable of a higher dynamic range than is
mathematically possible. they claim a lot of things that just don't add
up.

[nospam]

In article <oe84uq$83l$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies

<cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> >> Apple is the part about iOS that prevents bit torrent apps.
> >
> > no they don't
>
> As they told you when they handed you your head on the Linux newsgroups,
> your contrarian opinion is duly noted.

nobody handed me anything on the linux newsgroups.

a couple of people didn't understand anything about networking and
argued anyway, much like you do.

several others agreed with what i said, including your best buddy, jeff
lieberman.

if anyone had their head handed, it was you, with your fucked up idea
that a static ip on a phone is required to be able to ftp.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-05-01, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> if anyone had their head handed, it was you, with your fucked up idea
> that a static ip on a phone is required to be able to ftp.

LOL... What an idiot troll...

[nospam]

In article <empoi7...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger

<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> >
> > if anyone had their head handed, it was you, with your fucked up idea
> > that a static ip on a phone is required to be able to ftp.
>
> LOL... What an idiot troll...

yep. he was oblivious as to what reserved dhcp and dns are for.

[Lewis]

In message <oe7lrp$7j7$2...@news.mixmin.net> Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In <news:slrnogdvs5....@snow.local>, Lewis suggested:

>> Sooooo many thing:
>>
>> Run viruses.
>> Install Rootkits to send all your data (ALL) to China.

> Apple cripples what iOS can do just so that the user can *feel* safe.

Nope. iOS is infinitely more secure than Android since android is *not*
secure.

> The weakest link in any consumer mobile device is what makes the device
> unsafe, not the operating system.

>> Yeah, Android CAN do so much more.

> Lewis ... you are an enigma because you are on the a.u.e newsgroups, which
> usually only intelligent people are on, but you have never once in your
> life posted anything resembling technical acumen on the technical
> newsgroups.

You wouldn't know technical acumen if it beat you about the head and
shoulders.

--
The only reason for walking into the jaws of Death is so's you can steal
His gold teeth. --Colour of Magic

[Lewis]

In message <oe84dc$6o5$1...@news.mixmin.net> Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In <news:010520171207553116%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam suggested:

>>> Yes. Really. Bit torrent is just one useful functionality that iOS lacks.
>>
>> nothing about ios prevents bittorrent.

> Apple is the part about iOS that prevents bit torrent apps.

That is simply a lie.

--
I WILL NOT HIDE BEHIND THE FIFTH AMENDMENT Bart chalkboard Ep. 7F18

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:oe83m6$uu$2...@dont-email.me>, PAS suggested:

> Yes, but I'm addressing the differences between the highest scoring
> Android phone and the highest scoring iPhone.

Even though there were a dozen Android phones that have better or equal
camera/video quality of results than the best iPhone out there, do you find
it interesting that there are 9 Android phones that have better QOR than
the best that Apple offers?

89
- Google Pixel
88
- HTC 10
- Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
- Sony Xperia X Performance
87
- Huawei P10
- Moto Z Force Droid
- Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge Plus
- Sony Xperia XZ
- Sony Xperia Z5
86
- Apple iPhone 7
- LG G5
- Samsung Galaxy Note V
- Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge
85
- Huawei Mate 9
- LG V20
84
- Apple iPhone 6s Plus

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:010520171705334602%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam suggested:

> nobody handed me anything on the linux newsgroups.

They had to say "your opinion is duly noted" so many times that even you
stopped trolling them with your nonsense.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:empli9...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:

>> And yet, all that vitriol comes from the likes of you.
>
> ^ Pathetic old fart troll can't take his own medicine. : )

Said if this is a contest of wits. :-)

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-05-01, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Just like he was oblivious that there are much better and more modern
ways to transfer content between devices than running a fucking FTP
server on your mobile device - pure absurdity... : )

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-05-01, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

Try English some time, fucktard troll.

[nospam]

In article <oe8cp9$n45$2...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies

<cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > nobody handed me anything on the linux newsgroups.
>
> They had to say "your opinion is duly noted" so many times that even you
> stopped trolling them with your nonsense.

you're lying.

as i said, jeff lieberman, who knows way more about networking than
everyone in that thread *combined*, agrees with what i said.

the simple fact is that you made a complete fool of yourself.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-05-01, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

As he does *regularly*. : )

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:slrnogfd5o....@snow.local>, Lewis suggested:

> You wouldn't know technical acumen if it beat you about the head and
> shoulders.

You sure showed me.
HINT: Look up the words to see what they mean and then follow the point.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:emptum...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:

> Try English some time, fucktard troll.

Your vitriol belies your inner anger.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:010520171705324555%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam suggested:

> it's like saying a honda gets 27 mpg and a toyota gets 28 mpg,

Your opinion is duly noted.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:slrnogfd7h....@snow.local>, Lewis suggested:

> That is simply a lie.

Your unsubstantiated opinion is duly noted.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-05-01, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

Your nym-switching trolling of Apple news groups belies your lack of a
life and general unhappiness. Going out of your way to continually
attempt to disrupt peaceful news groups and belittle perfect strangers
with Apple-hating trolls is how you get your sick kicks. You can't die
and wither away fast enough; and lucky for the rest of the world that
day is approaching since you are near the end of your pathetic life. The
Apple news groups will cheer with a beer the day you finally keel over
for good. That is your self-created destiny. Be proud, sick old fart!

[Meanie]

On 5/1/2017 7:16 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2017-05-01, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In <news:empli9...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:
>>
>>>> And yet, all that vitriol comes from the likes of you.
>>>
>>> ^ Pathetic old fart troll can't take his own medicine. : )
>>
>> Said if this is a contest of wits. :-)
>
> Try English some time, fucktard troll.
>

A fucktard troll whom you continue to reply and provide the attention he
strongly craves.

[Jolly Roger]

LOL! You and others have been replying to him long before I posted my first
reply, hypocrite. Try taking your own advice next time before bitching
about anyone else if you want to be taken seriously.

[Lewis]

BitTorrent has iOS apps, dipshit troll liar.


--
Love seekest only self to please, To bind another to its delight Joys in
another's loss of ease And builds a hell in Heaven's despite!

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:slrnoggj72....@snow.local>, Lewis suggested:

> BitTorrent has iOS apps, dipshit troll liar.

Whooosh.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:emptil...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:

> Just like he was oblivious that there are much better and more modern
> ways to transfer content between devices than running a fucking FTP
> server on your mobile device - pure absurdity... : )

And how, without anything but the native software one the PC, since it
works with *every* PC in the world (linux, mac, and windows), are *you*
going to wirelessly transfer files from both the Android & iOS device to
any computer nearby without putting them on the Internet?

What's that?
You can't?

Really?
You just give up?

Thought so.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:emq15v...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:

> Going out of your way to continually
> attempt to disrupt peaceful news groups and belittle perfect strangers
> with Apple-hating trolls is how you get your sick kicks. You can't die
> and wither away fast enough; and lucky for the rest of the world that
> day is approaching since you are near the end of your pathetic life. The
> Apple news groups will cheer with a beer the day you finally keel over
> for good. That is your self-created destiny. Be proud, sick old fart!

Your increasingly vile level of vitriol is hinting at a psychological
disturbance so I'll let you simmer on your own for a while.

[Meanie]

On 5/2/2017 12:14 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Meanie <mea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/1/2017 7:16 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2017-05-01, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In <news:empli9...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:
>>>>
>>>>>> And yet, all that vitriol comes from the likes of you.
>>>>>
>>>>> ^ Pathetic old fart troll can't take his own medicine. : )
>>>>
>>>> Said if this is a contest of wits. :-)
>>>
>>> Try English some time, fucktard troll.
>>
>> A fucktard troll whom you continue to reply and provide the attention he
>> strongly craves.
>
> LOL! You and others have been replying to him long before I posted my first
> reply, hypocrite. Try taking your own advice next time before bitching
> about anyone else if you want to be taken seriously.
>

You may want to recheck your facts. You've been replying to him much
more in the iPhone group and long before I chastised him for cross
posting and whining. Check the dates and get back to me on that. ;)

[PAS]

On 5/1/2017 6:27 PM, Tomos Davies wrote:
> In <news:oe83m6$uu$2...@dont-email.me>, PAS suggested:
>
>> Yes, but I'm addressing the differences between the highest scoring
>> Android phone and the highest scoring iPhone.
> Even though there were a dozen Android phones that have better or equal
> camera/video quality of results than the best iPhone out there, do you find
> it interesting that there are 9 Android phones that have better QOR than
> the best that Apple offers?

That's because there are more Android phone makers than iPhone makers.
It's simple math. How much better the Android phones photo quality is
over the iPhone's is imperceptible to the eye. Just get over it.
People like their iPhones like you like your Android. For that matter,
if it wasn't for the first iPhone, we Android users wouldn't have the
nice Android phones that we do. Apple got the ball rolling.

[Jolly Roger]

Meanie <mea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/2/2017 12:14 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> Meanie <mea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/1/2017 7:16 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2017-05-01, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> In <news:empli9...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yet, all that vitriol comes from the likes of you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ^ Pathetic old fart troll can't take his own medicine. : )
>>>>>
>>>>> Said if this is a contest of wits. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Try English some time, fucktard troll.
>>>
>>> A fucktard troll whom you continue to reply and provide the attention he
>>> strongly craves.
>>
>> LOL! You and others have been replying to him long before I posted my first
>> reply, hypocrite. Try taking your own advice next time before bitching
>> about anyone else if you want to be taken seriously.
>
> You may want to recheck your facts. You've been replying to him much
> more

You're a hypocrite. Fuck off.

[nospam]

In article <oe9kfl$emd$4...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies

<cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > Just like he was oblivious that there are much better and more modern
> > ways to transfer content between devices than running a fucking FTP
> > server on your mobile device - pure absurdity... : )
>
> And how, without anything but the native software one the PC,

that's an artificial restriction, one which you violate routinely, so
you don't get to impose it.

and if you're going to insist nothing but native software on the pc,
then you can't have any third party apps on the phone either.

> since it
> works with *every* PC in the world (linux, mac, and windows), are *you*
> going to wirelessly transfer files from both the Android & iOS device to
> any computer nearby without putting them on the Internet?

there's this cool new technology called wifi. check it out some time.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-05-02, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In <news:emptil...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:
>
>> Just like he was oblivious that there are much better and more modern
>> ways to transfer content between devices than running a fucking FTP
>> server on your mobile device - pure absurdity... : )
>
> And how, without anything but the native software one the PC, since it
> works with *every* PC in the world (linux, mac, and windows), are *you*
> going to wirelessly transfer files from both the Android & iOS device to
> any computer nearby without putting them on the Internet?

LOL! I've been doing exactly that for ages with iOS, dumb ass. Nothing
needs to be installed on the PC. All you need is a web browser. The fact
that you think something so simple is impossible shows just how little
you actually know about iOS. You're a fucking useless old fart who is so
stuck in his ancient ways and so ignorant of standard abilities of iOS
you just give up (or worse, resort to installing cumbersome and insecure
FTP servers on your mobile devices just to transfer content around).
You're a joke, old man!

> What's that?

You heard me.

> You can't?

I can with ease to any computer running any OS, and have been for ages.
That you think I can't says it all. You know next to nothing about iOS;
your zealotry and hatred of all things Apple is irrational and priceless!

> Really?

Yup. All day, every day.

> You just give up?

Like you? Nope. I don't let piddly little things stop me from getting
shit done, unlike you.

> Thought so.

Said the delusional ignoramus Apple-hating Android zealot troll...

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-05-02, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <oe9kfl$emd$4...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies
><cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Just like he was oblivious that there are much better and more modern
>>> ways to transfer content between devices than running a fucking FTP
>>> server on your mobile device - pure absurdity... : )
>>
>> And how, without anything but the native software one the PC,
>
> that's an artificial restriction, one which you violate routinely, so
> you don't get to impose it.

Even *with* that restriction, I've been transferring stuff from iOS to
various PCs running various operating systems with no additional
software installed on the PCs for *years*. It's brain-dead simple and
secure - unlike the brain-dead troll's vaunted "I'll install and
configure an insecure FTP server on *each* of my mobile devices" joke of
a method. No cumbersome and insecure FTP server is needed. That he
thinks you can't *easily* do this with iOS says it all! He's a
know-nothing Apple-hating Android-zealot idiot troll. : )

>> works with *every* PC in the world (linux, mac, and windows), are *you*
>> going to wirelessly transfer files from both the Android & iOS device to
>> any computer nearby without putting them on the Internet?
>
> there's this cool new technology called wifi. check it out some time.

LOL! Yup.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:emrqmk...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:

> He's a
> know-nothing Apple-hating Android-zealot idiot troll. : )

Notice all I speak are verifiable facts.
You?

Pure vitriol.

Why do you hate the truth so much that you respond to verifiable facts with
utterly vile diatribes?

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:oea34j$ep6$2...@dont-email.me>, PAS suggested:

>> Even though there were a dozen Android phones that have better or equal
>> camera/video quality of results than the best iPhone out there, do you find
>> it interesting that there are 9 Android phones that have better QOR than
>> the best that Apple offers?
>
> That's because there are more Android phone makers than iPhone makers.

That's a good answer because even I was surprised that there are a dozen
Android phones (literally) that are better or the same as iOS with respect
to camera output (and 9 that are better than the best iOS has to offer).

It seems that most iOS users feel their camera output is better than that
of Android, so, they must be comparing to the phones that just happen to be
worse, since that list was pretty conclusive.

> It's simple math. How much better the Android phones photo quality is
> over the iPhone's is imperceptible to the eye. Just get over it.

I think you're missing the key observation here, which is psychological,
and which has nothing to do with me (my circa 2012 Android phone rated
along with the iPhone 5), since I happen to own SLRs where no mobile phone
can compete.

The key observation is that Android clearly has better camera QOR, where
the *subject* of this thread is a comparison of Android to iOS in the
camera features.

Point is, and always was, there is nothing to warrant the high opinion iOS
owners have of their equipment other than that they simply parrot that
which the Apple Marketing Machine tells them to parrot.

Same on safety. Same on ease of use. Same on functionality.

It is to the credit of the Apple Marketing Machine that the iOS user
doesn't have a clue how badly his equipment fares when stacked up against
Android.

The iOS owners are not only clueless, but they're wrong on all counts.

It's like when Japan thought it was superior to the USA at the start of
WWII, where all they really had was the Marketing Machine (aka the Bamboo
Spear Warrior Spirit) - but in the end - they had nothing.

> People like their iPhones like you like your Android.

I've bought iPhones and I have iPads so you get me wrong.
I just happen to know the equipment is inferior in form, function,
capability and results - but that doesn't mean I don't like them.

It's like not liking your own kid if he didn't get into Harvard for
graduate school. You still like him - but you recognize him for what he is.

Same with iOS devices. They're ok. But Android devices always are better in
anything you choose to compare against except sales figures (which is what
matters, to Apple anyway), in the end.

> For that matter,
> if it wasn't for the first iPhone, we Android users wouldn't have the
> nice Android phones that we do. Apple got the ball rolling.

Let's not get started on all the things that Apple copied also, but yes,
Android had a target to beat, which has been beaten to death long ago.

Apple can't compete - but they win in one respect which is the loyalty and
gullibility of its overall user base.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-05-02, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In <news:emrqmk...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:
>
>> He's a know-nothing Apple-hating Android-zealot idiot troll. : )
>
> Notice all I speak are verifiable facts.

Repeating that lie over and over isn't fooling anyone, dumb ass. The
troll doth protest too much. You've repeatedly shown you don't have the
mental facility to distinguish fact from fiction. You constantly claim
your dimwitted opinions are "facts". Your bullshit claim that iOS users
can't transfer stuff to any PC without installing anything on the PC is
laughably false. You're nothing but an Apple-hating zealot who clearly
knows next to *nothing* about iOS; and your stupid trolls just point out
how huge a fool you really are. The world rightly laughs at idiots like
you. You're a joke, old fart. Be proud!

[nospam]

In article <emrqmk...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger

<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> >>> Just like he was oblivious that there are much better and more modern
> >>> ways to transfer content between devices than running a fucking FTP
> >>> server on your mobile device - pure absurdity... : )
> >>
> >> And how, without anything but the native software one the PC,
> >
> > that's an artificial restriction, one which you violate routinely, so
> > you don't get to impose it.
>
> Even *with* that restriction, I've been transferring stuff from iOS to
> various PCs running various operating systems with no additional
> software installed on the PCs for *years*.

yep, i was just pointing out his hypocrisy.

> It's brain-dead simple and
> secure - unlike the brain-dead troll's vaunted "I'll install and
> configure an insecure FTP server on *each* of my mobile devices" joke of
> a method. No cumbersome and insecure FTP server is needed. That he
> thinks you can't *easily* do this with iOS says it all! He's a
> know-nothing Apple-hating Android-zealot idiot troll. : )

don't forget needing to set a static ip so that he can find the device.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-05-02, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

"Derrr... How can I find a device on my own network without a static IP
address?" : D

[nospam]

In article <emru1u...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger

<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> >>>>> Just like he was oblivious that there are much better and more
> >>>>> modern ways to transfer content between devices than running a
> >>>>> fucking FTP server on your mobile device - pure absurdity... : )
> >>>>
> >>>> And how, without anything but the native software one the PC,
> >>>
> >>> that's an artificial restriction, one which you violate routinely,
> >>> so you don't get to impose it.
> >>
> >> Even *with* that restriction, I've been transferring stuff from iOS
> >> to various PCs running various operating systems with no additional
> >> software installed on the PCs for *years*.
> >
> > yep, i was just pointing out his hypocrisy.
> >
> >> It's brain-dead simple and secure - unlike the brain-dead troll's
> >> vaunted "I'll install and configure an insecure FTP server on *each*
> >> of my mobile devices" joke of a method. No cumbersome and insecure
> >> FTP server is needed. That he thinks you can't *easily* do this with
> >> iOS says it all! He's a know-nothing Apple-hating Android-zealot
> >> idiot troll. : )
> >
> > don't forget needing to set a static ip so that he can find the
> > device.
>
> "Derrr... How can I find a device on my own network without a static IP
> address?" : D

setting up dns is hard!

except that there's nothing to set up. ftp myandroidphone should work.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-05-02, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

Whatever delusion helps you sleep at night, sicko. You're the one
trolling the Apple news groups. You won't find a single post from me in
your beloved Android news groups because I'm not the sicko here with a
burning need to disrupt and belittle total strangers simply because of
their choice to use a certain product or platform - that's *your* sick
game. : )

Meanwhile...

On 2017-05-01, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> Android encryption is automatic (once you click the checkboxes)

LOL! What a joke! : D
Keep eating your own words, dimwit. : )

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-05-02, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

"Huh? BIND? What's that? I don't need to glue anything together! Named??
What are you talking about?! Who am I?" : D

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:emru1u...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:

> "Derrr... How can I find a device on my own network without a static IP
> address?" : D

The difference between you and nospam is that nospam *purposefully*
misunderstood everything stated in the linux thread you speak of.

That's because he's actually intelligent but he's just not used to dealing
with people off the iOS newsgroups who actually can handle detail.

In your case, it's not on purpose.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:020520171327253364%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam suggested:

> don't forget needing to set a static ip so that he can find the device.

The record will show that the Linux people had to tell you *multiple* times
that you were dead wrong in almost everything you said.

Do you want me to prove my statements with the cites to the thread?

You know I only speak verifiable facts.

Nospam says (clueless):
> he never said what the problem is, so nobody, including you, has any
> idea.
Frank Slootweg replies (correctly)
He *has* said what the problem is.
Sofar the only one having no idea is you.

Nospam says (incorrectly):
> You don't want a fixed IP address on a phone.
Carlos replies (correctly):
Not true, he does.

Nospam says (incorrectly):
> his *guess* is that a static ip is the solution without realizing all
> the problems it will cause for both himself and others.
Frank Slootweg replies:
There's no 'guessing' involved. A static IP *is* the solution.

Nospam says (incorrectly):
> You want it in DHCP so it will work anywhere.
Carlos replies (correctly):
It will work everywhere perfectly as it is.

Nospam says (incorrectly):
> he might think he does, but he doesn't.
Carlos replies (giving up on nospam's idiocy):
Your opinion noted.

This goes on for days on end, where nospam is dead wrong, doesn't
understand the question, doesn't like the solution, until the Linux people
just five up on him.

Here's just one of many of those conversations:

Nospam says (incorrectly):
> there is no valid reason why a *phone* needs a static ip address.
Pascal replies (correctly):
In your uninformed/pig-headed opinion.
To compensate for your extreme clue-resistance, I'll give you
two clue-by-fours:
- It's common to describe a problem where?
- It's irrelevant that it's a phone. It has exactly nothing to do with
the device being a phone. He actually *first* uses the term "device"
several times, before he talks about "phone".

There's more (lots more) but the point is that you get your head handed to
you whenever you stray off of the iOS newsgroups because you just make
everything up.

I only state verifiable facts.
You just make everything up.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:emrrsk...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:

> You're nothing but an Apple-hating zealot who clearly
> knows next to *nothing* about iOS; and your stupid trolls just point out
> how huge a fool you really are. The world rightly laughs at idiots like
> you. You're a joke, old fart. Be proud!

And yet, while I know nothing, I clearly know far more than you do.

Fancy that.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:emrul8...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:

> Keep eating your own words, dimwit. : )

If I'm a "dimwit", what does that make you?

[nospam]

In article <oeb1cg$hnr$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies

<cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > "Derrr... How can I find a device on my own network without a static IP
> > address?" : D
>
> The difference between you and nospam is that nospam *purposefully*
> misunderstood everything stated in the linux thread you speak of.

i didn't misunderstand *anything* in that thread.

several people there, including you, do not understand the difference
between a static ip and reserved dhcp (which is sometimes called static
dhcp, a possible source of confusion because of the contradictory name,
something, which i mentioned early on) and even more who did not
realize that the device name via dhcp is all that's needed, which can
be set on the device and sometimes the router, no need for reserved
dhcp at all (although that is sometimes helpful anyway).

tl;dr there's little to configuration needed, certainly not setting a
static ip.

[nospam]

In article <oeb1ch$hnr$2...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies

<cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > don't forget needing to set a static ip so that he can find the device.
>
> The record will show that the Linux people had to tell you *multiple* times
> that you were dead wrong in almost everything you said.
>
> Do you want me to prove my statements with the cites to the thread?

the question is do *you* want to make a bigger fool of yourself than
you already have.

> You know I only speak verifiable facts.

it looks like that answer to that is yes.

i also know that you continue to lie.

> Nospam says (clueless):
> > he never said what the problem is, so nobody, including you, has any
> > idea.
> Frank Slootweg replies (correctly)
> He *has* said what the problem is.
> Sofar the only one having no idea is you.

all frank does is argue.

he's the one who said that it's illegal to have an unswitched 12v power
outlet in a car.

> Nospam says (incorrectly):
> > You don't want a fixed IP address on a phone.
> Carlos replies (correctly):
> Not true, he does.

carlos is wrong. you don't.

a fixed ip on a phone is very bad.

> Nospam says (incorrectly):
> > his *guess* is that a static ip is the solution without realizing all
> > the problems it will cause for both himself and others.
> Frank Slootweg replies:
> There's no 'guessing' involved. A static IP *is* the solution.

he's wrong. there is no need for a static ip, and not only is it *not*
the solution, but it *creates* many problems.

the solution is to either use reserved dhcp or better yet, let dns
handle everything.

ftp myandroidphone (or whatever name you want). done. nothing to
configure, other than deciding what to name your phone.

> Nospam says (incorrectly):
> > You want it in DHCP so it will work anywhere.
> Carlos replies (correctly):
> It will work everywhere perfectly as it is.

nope. it definitely won't everywhere. he's wrong, as are you.

the moment that phone with its fixed ip associates with a network other
than your own (i.e., *any* public hotspot) problems can (and likely
will) occur because there's no guarantee that its ip won't conflict
with one that is already in use. common sense.

> Nospam says (incorrectly):
> > he might think he does, but he doesn't.
> Carlos replies (giving up on nospam's idiocy):
> Your opinion noted.

translated "i don't actually understand any of this stuff, so i'll just
call it an opinion and pretend i do."

carlos refuses to learn anything. he insists that it costs money to use
google voice. it doesn't.

> This goes on for days on end, where nospam is dead wrong, doesn't
> understand the question, doesn't like the solution, until the Linux people
> just five up on him.

except for everyone who agreed with me, including jeff lieberman, who
can configure a network while blindfolded.

his reply (which was *very* long and detailed, as his posts often are)
went into gory detail why your idea is stupid and why reserved dhcp is
the way to go.

tl;dr reserved dhcp and/or dns. *not* static ip.

[nospam]

In article <oeb1cj$hnr$3...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies

<cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > You're nothing but an Apple-hating zealot who clearly
> > knows next to *nothing* about iOS; and your stupid trolls just point out
> > how huge a fool you really are. The world rightly laughs at idiots like
> > you. You're a joke, old fart. Be proud!
>
> And yet, while I know nothing,

true. you do not.

> I clearly know far more than you do.

definitely wrong.

[Jolly Roger]

LOL! You're the complete ignoramus who said:

"And how, without anything but the native software one the PC, since it

works with *every* PC in the world (linux, mac, and windows), are *you*
going to wirelessly transfer files from both the Android & iOS device to
any computer nearby without putting them on the Internet?"

It's brain-dead easy to do *just* that, and I've been doing it with Linux,
Windows, macOS, and Solaris for *years*. No internet is required. No
installation of any software On the PC is required. The fact that you are
completely unaware of how to do this ultra simple thing tells all we need
to know about just how little you actually know. Pathetic!

> Fancy that.

Indeed; you're a fucking laughable joke of a troll.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:020520171912134696%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam suggested:

> i also know that you continue to lie.

> all frank does is argue.

> carlos is wrong. you don't.

> he's wrong. there is no need for a static ip, and not only is it *not*
> the solution, but it *creates* many problems.

> nope. it definitely won't everywhere. he's wrong, as are you.

Your observation that everyone on the linux group cited is wrong, and
you're always correct (even sans a shred of fact), is duly noted.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:020520171912124636%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam suggested:

> i didn't misunderstand *anything* in that thread.

Do you really want me to quote again all the times in that thread where
respectable people handed you your head?

Constantly you misunderstood the OP and even finally admitted it,
reluctantly way later (because multiple people pointed it out to you).

Repeatedly when you made unsubstantiated claims, they handed you your head,
to the point that they just gave up and said "your opinion duly noted" time
and time and time again.

You don't know what that means?

Remember, I always speak verifiable fact.

You just make everything up.

You get away with it on the iOS newsgroups because they're a gullible lot.
But on the Linux newsgroup - they just hand you your head.

Proof is in the record.
Go ahead, challenge my facts.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:emsjk5...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:

> Indeed; you're a fucking laughable joke of a troll.

If only you traded in vitriol. what you obviously lack in IQ.

At least nospam knows when he's wrong.
He just fades away when he says things where the Linux newsgroup hands him
his head over and over (and over) again.

But you ...

You're just filled with vitriol such that there's no space left for your
brain.

[Tomos Davies]

In <news:020520171912144749%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam suggested:

>> And yet, while I know nothing,
>
> true. you do not.
>
>> I clearly know far more than you do.
>
> definitely wrong.

Why is it that I can list a score of functionality that Android does that
iOS can't hope to do without jailbreaking?

Absolutely none of which can you don on an Apple iOS device/

You know why?

It's not the hardware.
Apple hardware is in the top 10% of hardware out there.

While Apple is never going to be the best at anything, being in the top 10%
of mobile device hardware is pretty good.

But being in the bottom of functionality is pretty bad.
It's not the hardware that cripples what iOS can do.

It's Apple who cripples what iOS can do.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2017-05-03, Tomos Davies <cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In <news:emsjk5...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger suggested:
>
>> Indeed; you're a fucking laughable joke of a troll.
>
> If only

*yawn*

You're an utterly *boring* joke of a troll, at that.

Bye now.

*poof*

[nospam]

In article <oeba2f$4b3$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Tomos Davies

<cariad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > i also know that you continue to lie.
> > all frank does is argue.
> > carlos is wrong. you don't.
> > he's wrong. there is no need for a static ip, and not only is it *not*
> > the solution, but it *creates* many problems.
> > nope. it definitely won't everywhere. he's wrong, as are you.
>
>
> Your observation that everyone on the linux group cited is wrong,

i didn't say everyone was wrong. stop lying

> and
> you're always correct

i didn't say that either but in this case i am.

> (even sans a shred of fact), is duly noted.

plenty of evidence was provided. stop lying.