All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

[Werner Obermeier]

All I want to do is bring two MP4 files from WinXP to iOS 7.1.1 iPad.
http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg

It's not "my" WinXP machine, and the owner decidedly doesn't want to
install iTunes (for all the reasons everyone already knows so we
certainly don't need to hash them out here for the umpteenth time).

I only need a couple of roughly 1GB MP4 files copied over from WinXP
SP3 to the iPad by the easiest way possible. Both devices are on the
same local subnet.

When I connect the iPad to the WinXP machine by USB cable, the iPad
shows up, but the document hierarchy (particularly that of VLC) does
not show up. (http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg)

On the iPad, it keeps asking to trust this computer (which I have OK'd
very many times - but the iPad just keeps asking and asking and asking).

If bluetooth works on the iPad, or if WiFi works on the iPad, I'd be
very happy, just as happy if the USB cable would just work on the iPad.

This task should have taken about a minute, but after a half hour of
trying, I still haven't been able to mount the iPad onto WinXP to
copy the two MP4 files over.

If all I want to do is bring over a couple of MP4 files from WinXP
SP3 to the iPad VLC private documents directory, what's the easiest
way to accomplish this when both devices are on the same network?

[Your Name]

In article <mpkauv$n5o$1...@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier

Connecting an iOS device to a computer with the USB cable usually only
makes it show up as though it is a digital camera. This is done
purposely to stop novices screwing up the iOS device's operating system
files.

There's possibly some piece of third-party software you could install
to give full access (there is for newer OSes), but the computer's owner
may not like that either.

Otherwise:
- Email them to yourself as attachments
- Upload them to web-storage space / your iCloud account
- Copy them onto a CD and use another computer with iTunes or
third-party software

[Ed Cryer]

Dropbox or some other cloud service should do it.

Ed

[Big Al]

Can you put them on a USB on the iPad? I know the XP has USB ports, so you can easily put it on a thumb drive. You
just need the usb adapter for the iPad.

I like the cloud idea though.

[Alan Browne]

On 2015-08-02 01:48, Werner Obermeier wrote:
> All I want to do is bring two MP4 files from WinXP to iOS 7.1.1 iPad.
> http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg
>
> It's not "my" WinXP machine, and the owner decidedly doesn't want to
> install iTunes (for all the reasons everyone already knows so we
> certainly don't need to hash them out here for the umpteenth time).

- Dropbox
- Box
- Evernote
- E-mail

[Werner Obermeier]

Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in
020820151929248080%Your...@YourISP.com:

> There's possibly some piece of third-party software you could install to
> give full access (there is for newer OSes), but the computer's owner may
> not like that either.

On "my" Linux box, it just works (with MTP).
On this Windows box, it just does not work (at all).

I'm hoping there is an MTP driver that I can load for Windows to make
it work like it should, which is exactly how it works on Linux.>

> - Email them to yourself as attachments

Too big. Each MP4 is just under a GB.

> - Upload them to web-storage space / your iCloud account

No desire for a cloud when they are only inches apart.

- Copy them onto a CD and use another computer with iTunes

Absolutely no will or desire to deal with iTunes just to copy
over two files. I prefer an MTP driver on Windows that works
just like it does on Linux.

This is really a Windows problem, and not so much an iPad issue
since all we need is a decent driver on Windows that works like
you'd expect it to.

[Ken Springer]

I would suggest the Dropbox idea also, but you may want to read these
articles first: https://www.dropbox.com/help/topics/mobile

I don't know what you mean by "mount" the iPad. If you mean you would
have an icon on the desktop for the iPad just as you would for an
external drive, it doesn't work that way AFAIK. After all, the iPad is
a computer.

I don't own an iPad, so I don't know the intricacies of it, but what you
can do depends on whether it's an iPad 1, 2, or 3. But all should have
Bluetooth and/or Wi-Fi built in. My 5.5 year old iMac has both built in.

I know you don't want to use iTunes, but I'd bet that's going to be your
easiest route. It should already be on the iPad. I don't own any Apple
devices, so don't know how the syncing works.

Dropbox or similar would be my cloud choice if you have an account. I
don't care that much for the way it works between computers either, but
I don't use the account for those purposes anyway.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

[Werner Obermeier]

Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote in mpl2l5$enh$1...@dont-email.me:

> Dropbox or some other cloud service should do it.

Seems like intense overkill for traveling five inches.

Using dropbox for a simple file transfer is sort of like dropping
a nuclear bomb on a gopher hole. Sure, it works, but it's overkill.

What I'm really looking for is an MTP driver for Windows that works

just like it does on Linux.

On Linux, it's this easy:
1. You connect the iPad to the USB port of the Linux machine.
2. Automatically, the iPad is mounted as two mount points.
3. You copy (or move) the files from Linux into VLC on the iPad.

It's that easy, on Linux, because of the MTP drivers.
It's not that easy on Windows, for some strange reason.

So, what I'm really looking for are just the Windows XP MTP drivers.

[Werner Obermeier]

Big Al <Big...@invalid.com> wrote in mpl4bd$jh8$1...@dont-email.me:

> Can you put them on a USB on the iPad?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm....... That might work if it works.

Is something like this what you had in mind?
https://img.fasttechcdn.com/128/1286901/1286901-4.jpg

I'm not sure what that means to 'put them on USB on the iPad' because
the iPad doesn't have traditional USB ports. Do these iPad USB ports
work?
http://img.linkdelight.com/productmedia/014015//014015_show1.jpg

> I know the XP has USB ports, so you can easily put it on a thumb
> drive.

I solved the problem just now using sneakernet, but I was hoping for
a better way, simply by locating MTP drivers for Windows XP SP3.

> You just need the usb adapter for the iPad.

Hmmmmmm.... I did not know there even was a USB adapter for the iPad!

> I like the cloud idea though.

Using the cloud to transfer a file five inches is sort of like nuking a
gopherhole. Sure, it works. But it's as bad an idea as iTunes.

Sneakernet worked fine, but I was just looking for a better (read easier
and quicker way, without loss of privacy or the addition of bloatware
to someone else's PC (and without the need for the second laptop).

I like the idea of the USB port for the iPad.
Does anyone have experience with these for copying files from WinXP?
http://imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/field/image/2013/11/usb_camera_connector.jpg

Do iPad USB connectors work with Windows to allow simply copies?

[Werner Obermeier]

Alan Browne <alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in
_ZudnVZ30KkxgCPI...@giganews.com:

> - Dropbox
> - Box
> - Evernote
> - E-mail

One of those ideas is a good one, which I thank you for suggesting.

It's overkill to nuke a gopherhole just as it's overkill to resort to
setting up a cloud account and disassembling it afterward just to copy
two MP4 files from Windows five inches over to an iPad.

E-Mail won't easily work because each MP4 is about 800Mbytes in size.

However, googling, I see Evernote is a program which allows "drag and drop",
which is *exactly* what I want to do.
http://michaelhyatt.com/how-to-get-your-stuff-into-evernote.html
https://blog.evernote.com/blog/2013/05/31/quick-tip-friday-drag-and-drop-files-in-and-out-of-evernote/
http://restartgtd.com/howto/how-to-drag-and-drop-files-from-your-computer-into-an-evernote-notebook/

The only problem with Evernote, that I can see anyway, is that it's a
lot of setup just to copy two files.

To be fair, I just solved the problem using sneakernet, but, I was hoping
for a simpler solution that didn't involve a second laptop for copying
two large files from Windows to the iPad.

All I really want/need is an MTP driver for Windows that just works.

[Pat]

You seem to be opposed to any idea that isn't exactly how you think it
should work. Why are you so against using the program/drivers
intended for your need? (Yes, the drivers get installed with iTunes.)
Just install iTunes, use it to get the job done, and then delete it.
It is not some monster that destroys computers. Many love it. Some
hate it - just like any other software package. I think it is bloated
and easily confuses non-tech users, but it works and can do what you
need for free. A lot of the other ideas presented here work, too. Or,
you can just keep complaining about how stupid everything is. Your
choice.

[Savageduck]

On 2015-08-02 13:39:56 +0000, Alan Browne

...and iMazing
<https://imazing.com>

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Werner Obermeier]

Ken Springer <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote in
mpl6vq$6m2$1...@news.albasani.net:

> I don't know what you mean by "mount" the iPad. If you mean you would
> have an icon on the desktop for the iPad just as you would for an
> external drive, it doesn't work that way AFAIK. After all, the iPad is
> a computer.

That's a good question, especially since Windows users may not be used
to "mounting" devices as logical drives.

On Windows, if you plug in, oh, say, an optical DVD disc drive, you'll
notice it's automatically "mounted" as, oh, say, "Drive E:". Likewise,
if you plug in, oh, say, a USB stick, it's automatically mounted as, oh,
say, "Drive F:", labeled "My USB Stick".

It's the same when you plug in an iPad into Linux. It automatically
gets mounted as "iPad" and as "Documents". All the pictures and videos
and screenshots are in the "iPad" mount point, while many of the users
documents are in the "Documents" mount point.

These mount points act just like USB sticks do, in that you can copy
any file on the iPad over to the Linux machine and vice versa, you can
copy any file from the Linux machine over to the iPad, and it all just
works.

All I want is that same five-second-copy convenience for Windows XP.

> I don't own an iPad, so I don't know the intricacies of it, but what you
> can do depends on whether it's an iPad 1, 2, or 3. But all should have
> Bluetooth and/or Wi-Fi built in. My 5.5 year old iMac has both built in.

You hit the nail on the head!

On Android, for example, it would be trivial to use Bluetooth or WiFi to
or from the mobile device and laptop. The task would have been done in
five or ten seconds.

It's no so easy with an iPad because it's a very rigidly closed system,
so, that is why I am asking for help and advice.

> I know you don't want to use iTunes, but I'd bet that's going to be your
> easiest route. It should already be on the iPad. I don't own any Apple
> devices, so don't know how the syncing works.

The so-called iTunes on the iPad isn't even close to the iTunes that is
on Windows - but you are wholly correct in that nobody would want to load
that thing onto someone else's Windows machine *just* to copy over a
couple of files.

If it were Android, it would just work by WiFi or Bluetooth, natively,
so, that might be an option with the iPad (if WiFi or Bluetooth work).

If it were Linux, it would also just work because Linux has MTP drivers
which make the iPad a USB device, so, it's as easy as copying over
a file to or from a USB stick.

The problem is that it's Windows, which I don't know all that well.

The only three viable Windows:iPad options I can think of are:
1. MTP drivers for Windows to mount the iPad
2. Bluetooth from Windows to the iPad
3. WiFi from Windows to the iPad

> Dropbox or similar would be my cloud choice if you have an account. I
> don't care that much for the way it works between computers either, but
> I don't use the account for those purposes anyway.

Using dropbox will work but it's like using hand grenades on gopher
holes. Too much overhead, too much effort, and too much disassembly
for simply copying two files from Windows to the iPad.

Bear in mind that I just did the copy today, and it took seconds, but
I had to use sneakernet to put the files on a USB stick from Windows
and then to put those files onto Linux. Linux has MTP drivers, so,
I then just copied the files from Linux to the iPad over the USB
cable that comes with the iPad.

But, there must be an easy way to transfer the files from Windows
directly to the iPad without having to resort to sneakernet or
hand grenades.

[Werner Obermeier]

Werner Obermeier <spamf...@arcor.de> wrote in mpl83n$2me$1...@solani.org:

> All I really want/need is an MTP driver for Windows that just works.

Actually, it looks like three viable solutions were proposed:
1. MTP drivers for windows that just mount the iPad as a USB device
2. WiFi transfer of the files from Windows to the iPad
3. Bluetooth transfer of the files from Windows to the iPad

Does anyone have any of those three options working yet?

[nospam]

In article <mpkauv$n5o$1...@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier
<spamf...@arcor.de> wrote:

> All I want to do is bring two MP4 files from WinXP to iOS 7.1.1 iPad.
> http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg
>
> It's not "my" WinXP machine, and the owner decidedly doesn't want to
> install iTunes (for all the reasons everyone already knows so we
> certainly don't need to hash them out here for the umpteenth time).

then he's an idiot, both for avoiding itunes and for still running xp,
as are you for making it *much* more complicated than it needs to be.

the solution is trivial:
install itunes.
sync.
done.

itunes isn't going to screw up the computer. it's by far the easiest
way to move music and other content to the device.

[Savageduck]

On 2015-08-02 13:46:29 +0000, Werner Obermeier <spamf...@arcor.de> said:

> Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in
> 020820151929248080%Your...@YourISP.com:
>
>> There's possibly some piece of third-party software you could install to
>> give full access (there is for newer OSes), but the computer's owner may
>> not like that either.
>
> On "my" Linux box, it just works (with MTP).

That figures.

> On this Windows box, it just does not work (at all).
>
> I'm hoping there is an MTP driver that I can load for Windows to make
> it work like it should, which is exactly how it works on Linux.>
>
>> - Email them to yourself as attachments
> Too big. Each MP4 is just under a GB.
>
>> - Upload them to web-storage space / your iCloud account
>
> No desire for a cloud when they are only inches apart.

Silly attitude, Dropbox and Box will do the job.

> - Copy them onto a CD and use another computer with iTunes
>
> Absolutely no will or desire to deal with iTunes just to copy
> over two files.

Silly attitude, iTunes is the best way to get this done.

> I prefer an MTP driver on Windows that works
> just like it does on Linux.

Of course you do.

> This is really a Windows problem, and not so much an iPad issue
> since all we need is a decent driver on Windows that works like
> you'd expect it to.

Oh well!


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Alan Browne]

On 2015-08-02 10:05, Werner Obermeier wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in
> _ZudnVZ30KkxgCPI...@giganews.com:
>
>> - Dropbox
>> - Box
>> - Evernote
>> - E-mail
>
> One of those ideas is a good one, which I thank you for suggesting.
>
> It's overkill to nuke a gopherhole just as it's overkill to resort to
> setting up a cloud account and disassembling it afterward just to copy
> two MP4 files from Windows five inches over to an iPad.

You're using this problem as another excuse to attack the iOS way of
doing things. The BEST way to solve this problem is to install iTunes
on the WinXP machine in question. It is free. It works. (iTunes is a
horrible mess of a program, but it's the best way to do what you want to
do. Period). And yes, you can remove it from your WinXP system if need
be (via the horrible Windows installer - what a piece of shit).

>
> E-Mail won't easily work because each MP4 is about 800Mbytes in size.
>
> However, googling, I see Evernote is a program which allows "drag and drop",
> which is *exactly* what I want to do.

No it manifestly is not. It matches your objection of not moving things
to "the cloud". Evernote syncs via a server somewhere out there.
Indeed, you can't load an 800 MB file onto it w/o paying fees (if I
recall correctly, I don't use Evernote very much anymore. I prefer
Dropbox but I'm looking to abandon it due to its very poor security).

> The only problem with Evernote, that I can see anyway, is that it's a
> lot of setup just to copy two files.

Again you're just attacking the iOS model. In real life you don't just
copy 2 files once. You set up to be able to do it as needed over time.

> To be fair, I just solved the problem using sneakernet, but, I was hoping
> for a simpler solution that didn't involve a second laptop for copying
> two large files from Windows to the iPad.
>
> All I really want/need is an MTP driver for Windows that just works.

iOS has a pretty high rigid walled garden around it. And that is a good
thing. While we may want to spend time backing up and doing security
maintenance on something like our main home desktop or laptop, iPhones
and iPads are appliances that we should (generally) not want to spend a
lot of time and effort backing up and defending. So installing iTunes
on a laptop or desktop is the better way.

You don't like it, tough shit. Find some asinine workaround and bitch
and moan about having to do it. Just do it somewhere else.

The funniest thing about Android users is them touting the simplicity of
copying files from/to their phones while they stupidly ignore the proven
security weakness of the "benefit".

[Savageduck]

On 2015-08-02 13:58:56 +0000, Werner Obermeier <spamf...@arcor.de> said:

> Big Al <Big...@invalid.com> wrote in mpl4bd$jh8$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> Can you put them on a USB on the iPad?
>
> Hmmmmmmmmmmm....... That might work if it works.

<http://www.hypershop.com/HyperDrive/iStick/>


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Alan Browne]

On 2015-08-02 10:19, Werner Obermeier wrote:
> .
>
> It's no so easy with an iPad because it's a very rigidly closed system,

It's rigidly closed in order to avoid problems such as:
<yet another exploit of Android in a very long list of unclosed items>

QUOTE
Zimperium zLabs VP of Platform Research and Exploitation, Joshua J.
Drake (@jduck), dived into the deepest corners of Android code and
discovered what we believe to be the worst Android vulnerabilities
discovered to date. These issues in Stagefright code critically expose
95% of Android devices, an estimated 950 million devices. Drake’s
research, to be presented at Black Hat USA on August 5 and DEF CON 23 on
August 7 found multiple remote code execution vulnerabilities that can
be exploited using various methods, the worst of which requires no
user-interaction.

Attackers only need your mobile number, using which they can remotely
execute code via a specially crafted media file delivered via MMS. A
fully weaponized successful attack could even delete the message before
you see it. You will only see the notification. These vulnerabilities
are extremely dangerous because they do not require that the victim take
any action to be exploited.
END QUOTE

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2015/07/31/android-news-digest-stagefright-security-danger-moto-g-oneplus-2/

[Werner Obermeier]

Pat <p...@nospam.us> wrote in ev8sra1gpvfstisb8...@4ax.com:

> You seem to be opposed to any idea that isn't exactly how you think it
> should work. Why are you so against using the program/drivers
> intended for your need? (Yes, the drivers get installed with iTunes.)

I don't really want to go into the rathole of why iTunes is the wrong
answer, just as the cloud is the wrong answer, when all you really want
to do is copy two files from someone else's Windows XP PC to your iPad.

Remember, it's trivial to do this using Android.
And, it's even trivialier (if that's a word) to do this with Linux.

On Android and on Linux, you have copied the file over in about the
time it takes to move the mouse.

Why should it be any more difficult with Windows?

> Just install iTunes, use it to get the job done, and then delete it.

You have no idea what iTunes is, if you say "then delete it", but, I
do not want to go down that rathole because saying "delete it" is like
saying to just clean up after a nuclear disaster with handy wipes.

> It is not some monster that destroys computers. Many love it. Some
> hate it - just like any other software package. I think it is bloated
> and easily confuses non-tech users, but it works and can do what you
> need for free.

I should be able to copy a file from Windows to the iPad in about the
time that it takes to connect the cable and move the mouse.

Remember, it is already that easy to copy files from and to Linux
from and to the iPad, and it's already just as easy to do with
Android.

So why should interfacing only the iPad with Windows be horridly complex?

> A lot of the other ideas presented here work, too. Or,
> you can just keep complaining about how stupid everything is.
> Your choice.

You have absolutely no grasp of the problem set if you think I'm
complaining.

I'm looking for a solution that is even simpler than the solution
I already affected this morning, which was sneakernet.

Clearly iTunes is NOT a solution as simple as sneakernet, and neither
is the cloud.

Sneakernet worked, but it required the use of a USB stick plus a
second (Linux) laptop.

All I'm asking for is someone with *experience* transferring files
from and to the iPad from and to Windows in the time that it takes
to connect the two devices and move the mouse. That's all.

Clearly you have no experience with that, but I do. It's trivial.
At least with Linux it's trivial. And with Android it's trivial.

I'm just trying to *solve the problem* for Windows.

Three viable solutions have been suggested:
1. MTP drivers for Windows (just like Linux already does handily)
2. Bluetooth between Windows & the iPad (just like Android does)
3. WiFi transfer between Windows & the iPad (just like Android does)

Does *anyone* have experience with those three viable solutions yet?

[Mayayana]

| I'm hoping there is an MTP driver that I can load for Windows to make
| it work like it should, which is exactly how it works on Linux.>
|

Maybe something like this?

http://www.microsoft.com/en-in/download/details.aspx?id=19153

I don't have an iPad, precisely because of the limited
flexibility. But I did look into them at one point and asked
a "wizard" at the Apple Church whether I could access
the file system to do simple things like load PDF/TXT/HTML
to read on the pad. After some research, the young man
came back and reported that, yes, there's an app for
that. It's called "Explorer". :) I don't know whether that
will help, but it might be worth looking into. At the basic
level it's really an issue of reading another file system.

[nospam]

In article <mpl6vq$6m2$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer

<word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> I don't own an iPad, so I don't know the intricacies of it, but what you
> can do depends on whether it's an iPad 1, 2, or 3. But all should have
> Bluetooth and/or Wi-Fi built in. My 5.5 year old iMac has both built in.

none of that matters. they all work the same way.

> I know you don't want to use iTunes, but I'd bet that's going to be your
> easiest route.

of course it will be the easiest route. it's *very* easy.

> It should already be on the iPad.

itunes on the ipad is not needed. it's just a music/movie store.

it's totally different than itunes on the computer, which includes
device management.

> I don't own any Apple
> devices, so don't know how the syncing works.

who do you think made your 5.5 year old imac?

anyway, syncing is very easy. just plug in the ipad (or iphone), click
sync and whatever selected music, movies, photos, apps, etc. are
copied. it can also be configured to sync automatically and even over
wifi so you don't even need to fuss with a cable or click a button.

but he wants to do it the hard way.

> Dropbox or similar would be my cloud choice if you have an account. I
> don't care that much for the way it works between computers either, but
> I don't use the account for those purposes anyway.

for 2 movies that might work (assuming it fits within whatever dropbox
plan he has), but over time it's going to end up being more than 2
movies. he'll want more after he watches the first two.

[nospam]

In article <mpl9o9$2me$4...@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier

<spamf...@arcor.de> wrote:

> On Android and on Linux, you have copied the file over in about the
> time it takes to move the mouse.

on ios you don't even have to move the mouse.

set it to automatically sync and it just works.
set it to sync over wifi and don't even need to fuss with cables.

> Why should it be any more difficult with Windows?

because you're making it more difficult.

you're also trolling.

[Werner Obermeier]

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in
2015080207190197142-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:

> ...and iMazing
> <https://imazing.com>

Very interesting!

You can't beat their tagline of "total control & abject simplicity"!

I wonder how "iMazing" differs from the "Evernote" suggestion though?

Anyway, I was forced to solve the original problem using sneakernet
(the guest with the WinXP PC already went home this morning), so, at
this point, I'm just looking for the best way it *should* have been
done.

These are the *viable options* for future WinXP:iPad file transfer:
1. Test out the Imazing use model (& compare to the Evernote use model)
2. Load a working MTP driver on Windows (similar to how Linux works)
3. Figure out how to Bluetooth between iPad and Windows (as Android works)
4. Figure out how to WiFi between iPad and Windows (as Android works)

Other options which would likely work but with *far more overhead* are:
A. USB cable & iTunes on Windows
B. The cloud
C. A special iPad USB adapter (if it works)
D. Evernote over USB cable
E. Email (but the 800MB files would need to be broken up)

Who has experience with any of the four viable Windows:iPad options?

[nospam]

In article <mpl9vd$6vi$1...@dont-email.me>, Mayayana

<maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> | I'm hoping there is an MTP driver that I can load for Windows to make
> | it work like it should, which is exactly how it works on Linux.>
>
> Maybe something like this?
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-in/download/details.aspx?id=19153

i doubt that works for ipads.

> I don't have an iPad, precisely because of the limited
> flexibility.

the only limitation is you.

> But I did look into them at one point and asked
> a "wizard" at the Apple Church whether I could access
> the file system to do simple things like load PDF/TXT/HTML
> to read on the pad.

you don't need to access the file system to read any of those.

all you need is an app, of which there are *many*. some are even
included with the device. some will even let you edit. imagine that.

> After some research, the young man
> came back and reported that, yes, there's an app for
> that. It's called "Explorer". :) I don't know whether that
> will help, but it might be worth looking into.

it won't.

> At the basic
> level it's really an issue of reading another file system.

no it definitely is not.

[Werner Obermeier]

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in

2015080207243285779-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:

> Silly attitude, Dropbox and Box will do the job.

> Silly attitude, iTunes is the best way to get this done.

The entire task should be done in the time it takes to connect
a cable and move the mouse (as it works with other systems today).

To that end, these are *viable options* for WinXP:iPad file transfer:

1. Test out the Imazing use model (& compare to the Evernote use model)
2. Load a working MTP driver on Windows (similar to how Linux works)
3. Figure out how to Bluetooth between iPad and Windows (as Android works)
4. Figure out how to WiFi between iPad and Windows (as Android works)

Other options which would likely work but with *far more overhead* are:

A. USB cable & iTunes on Windows (far too much overhead!)
B. The cloud (why use the cloud to move a file five inches?)
C. A special iPad USB adapter (if it works, but this requires hardware)
D. Email (but the 800MB files would need to be broken up into pieces)

[Alan Browne]

On 2015-08-02 10:33, Werner Obermeier wrote:
> Pat <p...@nospam.us> wrote in ev8sra1gpvfstisb8...@4ax.com:
>
>> You seem to be opposed to any idea that isn't exactly how you think it
>> should work. Why are you so against using the program/drivers
>> intended for your need? (Yes, the drivers get installed with iTunes.)
>
> I don't really want to go into the rathole of why iTunes is the wrong
> answer,

That would be inconvenient since it is in fact the right answer.

[Alan Browne]

On 2015-08-02 10:48, Werner Obermeier wrote:
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in
> 2015080207243285779-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:
>
>> Silly attitude, Dropbox and Box will do the job.
>> Silly attitude, iTunes is the best way to get this done.
>
> The entire task should be done in the time it takes to connect
> a cable and move the mouse (as it works with other systems today).

Yes, those other systems today, notably Android, which have major
security issues because of the myriad ways malware can be loaded onto
them. Apple ringfence well and iTunes/iOS is part of that ringfence.

Get over yourself and your idiotic objections. The time spent arguing
this here could have been used to DL and install iTunes and upload the
files to the iPad.

[nospam]

In article <mplajp$2me$6...@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier

<spamf...@arcor.de> wrote:

>
> The entire task should be done in the time it takes to connect
> a cable and move the mouse (as it works with other systems today).

which is exactly what happens with itunes, and it can even be set to
not needing to move the mouse at all.

in less time than you've spent bitching about how hard it is, you could
have had this all done.

[Savageduck]

On 2015-08-02 14:33:45 +0000, Werner Obermeier <spamf...@arcor.de> said:

> Pat <p...@nospam.us> wrote in ev8sra1gpvfstisb8...@4ax.com:
>
>> You seem to be opposed to any idea that isn't exactly how you think it
>> should work. Why are you so against using the program/drivers
>> intended for your need? (Yes, the drivers get installed with iTunes.)
>
> I don't really want to go into the rathole of why iTunes is the wrong
> answer, just as the cloud is the wrong answer, when all you really want
> to do is copy two files from someone else's Windows XP PC to your iPad.
>
> Remember, it's trivial to do this using Android.
> And, it's even trivialier (if that's a word) to do this with Linux.

Why is it that all Android and Linux evangelists who poke their noses
into non-Android and non-Linux forums, allegedly seeking a solution to
a problem, refuse to accept the simplest and best solutions?

...even more amazing is they all seem to use the same verbiage with
words such as "trivial".

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Alan Browne]

Unless it's the trivially easy malware vector that Android is ...

[Savageduck]

On 2015-08-02 14:48:25 +0000, Werner Obermeier <spamf...@arcor.de> said:

> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in
> 2015080207243285779-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:
>
>> Silly attitude, Dropbox and Box will do the job.
>> Silly attitude, iTunes is the best way to get this done.
>
> The entire task should be done in the time it takes to connect
> a cable and move the mouse (as it works with other systems today).

That is the idea behind using iTunes.

> To that end, these are *viable options* for WinXP:iPad file transfer:
> 1. Test out the Imazing use model (& compare to the Evernote use model)

Two very different things.

> 2. Load a working MTP driver on Windows (similar to how Linux works)
> 3. Figure out how to Bluetooth between iPad and Windows (as Android works)
> 4. Figure out how to WiFi between iPad and Windows (as Android works)
>
> Other options which would likely work but with *far more overhead* are:
> A. USB cable & iTunes on Windows (far too much overhead!)

Actually the least "overhead".

> B. The cloud (why use the cloud to move a file five inches?)

...because it works, and works well.

> C. A special iPad USB adapter (if it works, but this requires hardware)
> D. Email (but the 800MB files would need to be broken up into pieces)

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[nospam]

In article <2015080208034517639-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:


> >
> > I don't really want to go into the rathole of why iTunes is the wrong
> > answer, just as the cloud is the wrong answer, when all you really want
> > to do is copy two files from someone else's Windows XP PC to your iPad.
> >
> > Remember, it's trivial to do this using Android.
> > And, it's even trivialier (if that's a word) to do this with Linux.
>
> Why is it that all Android and Linux evangelists who poke their noses
> into non-Android and non-Linux forums, allegedly seeking a solution to
> a problem, refuse to accept the simplest and best solutions?
>
> ...even more amazing is they all seem to use the same verbiage with
> words such as "trivial".

because it's the same person.

[Savageduck]

No kidding.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Werner Obermeier]

Alan Browne <alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in

btKdnfxQlJIPtCPI...@giganews.com:

> It's rigidly closed in order to avoid problems such as:
> <yet another exploit of Android in a very long list of unclosed items>

As nospam would note, that's just inadvertent trolling as it has nothing
to do with the problem set, except by way of excuse.

I know you didn't mean to troll, but let's just stay on topic to
find a WINDOWS solution for connecting the iPad to Windows as nicely
as it should be (and is, with the other major platforms).

[Werner Obermeier]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
02082015104028...@nospam.invalid:

> of course it will be the easiest route. it's *very* easy.

I realize you don't mean to troll, but the use of iTunes is
clearly off topic since it was stated very clearly in the OP
that there is absolutely no way iTunes will be loaded on
someone else's Windows PC without them wanting it, which isn't
gonna happen for two files (iTunes is a rathole, which only
*you* want to go down).

[Werner Obermeier]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
02082015104028...@nospam.invalid:

> for 2 movies that might work (assuming it fits within whatever dropbox
> plan he has), but over time it's going to end up being more than 2
> movies. he'll want more after he watches the first two.

It's two movies because the friend with the Windows XP laptop doesn't
even live in the same state that I do.

Clearly iTunes and dropbox are both ratholes that are best left for
those who enjoy ratholes.

I, for one, simply want a clean solution, which, to date, is either:
1. MTP drivers on Windows (kindly suggested by Mayayana)
2. Bluetooth between Windows & iOS (nobody suggested how yet)
3. WiFi between Windows & iOS (nobody suggested how yet)
4. Evernote (kindly suggested by Alan Browne)
5. iMazing (kindly suggested by Savageduck)
6. USB iPad hardware (kindly suggested by Big Al)

What would be best, probably, is one of the first three, and, if
that's not possible with the iPad, then one of the next three as
a second best option for easy file transfer from a guest Windows XP
laptop to the iPad.

[Werner Obermeier]

Stormin' Norman <nor...@schwarzkopf.invalid> wrote in
f1bsrahgfd132k86p...@4ax.com:

> Geez, well why not just transfer them to the Linux box
> and then to the iPad. Do you wish to make a career out
> of this or are you just trying to transfer a couple of
> files on an ad hoc basis?

There are two types of problems.
1. Problems that you need to solve now, and,
2. Problems that you have time to solve later.

This thread started as type 1, but now has become type 2
since that's *exactly* what I did.

At this point, if you have *experience* (or viable suggestions)
for solving the WINDOWS file transfer problem between Windows
and the iPad, now is the time to suggest it.

These are the viable options suggested so far for Windows to
iPad simple file transfer from a guest Windows PC to iPad.

[Werner Obermeier]

Alan Browne <alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in

et2dnX_gq5H5tSPI...@giganews.com:

> The BEST way to solve this problem is to install iTunes.

The only ones who are suggesting that are those who do not understand
the problem set. Do you realize what "installing iTunes" means, when
you're putting it on someone else's Windows PC (that someone who doesn't
own a single Apple product) just to copy two files one time only?

If you knew what you were suggesting, you would never had suggested
it. It works for *you*; but it's like growing your own herd of cows
just to get a drink of milk.

> Evernote syncs via a server somewhere out there.

Drat. OK. I will *remove* Evernote from the list of viable solutions
that I will attempt.

[Wildman]

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 08:03:45 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> On 2015-08-02 14:33:45 +0000, Werner Obermeier <spamf...@arcor.de> said:
>
>> Pat <p...@nospam.us> wrote in ev8sra1gpvfstisb8...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> You seem to be opposed to any idea that isn't exactly how you think it
>>> should work. Why are you so against using the program/drivers
>>> intended for your need? (Yes, the drivers get installed with iTunes.)
>>
>> I don't really want to go into the rathole of why iTunes is the wrong
>> answer, just as the cloud is the wrong answer, when all you really want
>> to do is copy two files from someone else's Windows XP PC to your iPad.
>>
>> Remember, it's trivial to do this using Android.
>> And, it's even trivialier (if that's a word) to do this with Linux.
>
> Why is it that all Android and Linux evangelists who poke their noses
> into non-Android and non-Linux forums, allegedly seeking a solution to
> a problem, refuse to accept the simplest and best solutions?

Because it has nothing to do with Linux or Android...

http://www.ericberne.com/games-people-play/why-dont-you-yes-but/

--
<Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453
The cow died so I don't need your bull!

[nospam]

In article <mplclv$2me$8...@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier

<spamf...@arcor.de> wrote:

> > of course it will be the easiest route. it's *very* easy.
>
> I realize you don't mean to troll, but the use of iTunes is
> clearly off topic since it was stated very clearly in the OP
> that there is absolutely no way iTunes will be loaded on
> someone else's Windows PC without them wanting it, which isn't
> gonna happen for two files (iTunes is a rathole, which only
> *you* want to go down).

hundreds of millions of people use itunes every single day without
issue.

it may not be perfect (nothing is) but it works quite well.

calling it a rathole and repeatedly whining about not using it is
trolling.

[nospam]

In article <mplchs$2me$7...@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier

<spamf...@arcor.de> wrote:

> > It's rigidly closed in order to avoid problems such as:
> > <yet another exploit of Android in a very long list of unclosed items>
>
> As nospam would note, that's just inadvertent trolling as it has nothing
> to do with the problem set, except by way of excuse.

no he wouldn't.

the above statement is absolutely correct.

ipads are more restricted to make them more secure. that's a *feature*,
not a bug.

however, describing it as 'rigidly closed' is a bit extreme.

> I know you didn't mean to troll, but let's just stay on topic to
> find a WINDOWS solution for connecting the iPad to Windows as nicely
> as it should be (and is, with the other major platforms).

itunes.

this isn't the first time you've been told this either.

itunes is nowhere near as horrible as you claim it is. it has some
issues, especially with the latest version, but you don't need to use
it to where you'd even notice any of it.

[nospam]

In article <mpld0i$2me$9...@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier

<spamf...@arcor.de> wrote:

> > for 2 movies that might work (assuming it fits within whatever dropbox
> > plan he has), but over time it's going to end up being more than 2
> > movies. he'll want more after he watches the first two.
>
> It's two movies because the friend with the Windows XP laptop doesn't
> even live in the same state that I do.

then why is he asking you?

> Clearly iTunes and dropbox are both ratholes that are best left for
> those who enjoy ratholes.

clearly you're full of shit.

[Jolly Roger]

Sounds like a lot of "fun". The shit people put themselves through to
avoid iTunes... While these boneheads are still futzing around with
their computers, the rest of us have already synced our devices over
WiFi through iTunes without even clicking a button, and have already
left the house to enjoy life. ; )

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Alan Browne]

On 2015-08-02 11:21, Werner Obermeier wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in
> btKdnfxQlJIPtCPI...@giganews.com:
>
>> It's rigidly closed in order to avoid problems such as:
>> <yet another exploit of Android in a very long list of unclosed items>
>
> As nospam would note, that's just inadvertent trolling as it has nothing
> to do with the problem set, except by way of excuse.

It is the core of it - it's just inconvenient to your way of thinking.

You have issue with using iTunes to get those videos onto the iPad via
the means that Apple provide without charge and as part of their general
walled garden approach to iOS. That in turn is because Apple correctly
consider iOS devices to be appliances that the general public they are
sold to would fail to protect by use practice.

In this morning's general arguing about it iTunes could have been DL'd,
installed and the files copies. Wirelessly if preferred.

Note that Apple do not provide the WinXP version directly but there are
various sites that do. Caveat usufructuarius.

> I know you didn't mean to troll, but let's just stay on topic to
> find a WINDOWS solution for connecting the iPad to Windows as nicely
> as it should be (and is, with the other major platforms).

It's called iTunes. The Windows version.

As noted, Apple's method for file transfer is a walled garden to avoid
the security sieve that Android has been from the start. You don't like
that truth, OTOH you've wasted hours arguing what could have been solved
in under 15 minutes assuming a reasonably quick internet connection to
DL iTunes.

[Alan Browne]

On 2015-08-02 11:35, Werner Obermeier wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in
> et2dnX_gq5H5tSPI...@giganews.com:
>
>> The BEST way to solve this problem is to install iTunes.
>
> The only ones who are suggesting that are those who do not understand
> the problem set. Do you realize what "installing iTunes" means, when
> you're putting it on someone else's Windows PC (that someone who doesn't
> own a single Apple product) just to copy two files one time only?

As explained that is just stubborn objection (or more likely an argument
piece for no other reason. You originally accepted Evernote as a
solution ... yet that also meant DLing and installing s/w.

As also noted, in the time you've wasted on this iTunes could have been
DL'd, installed, used and erased. Several times for that matter.

[Jolly Roger]

Many, but not all of them. "Werner" is our resident numbskull Linux
dweeb troll, "It MUST be free!" and "Apple limits you!" singular cheer
leading squad who constantly changes his name in an attempt to fool
people into thinking he's someone else. : ) He's also gone by: Liam,
Adair, Peter, Paul, Juan, Alphonse, Danny, Vinny, Tony, etc. And I
suppose now he'll change it once again. Fortunately for the sane folks
here, his writing and conversational style doesn't change, making it
very easy to detect his posts. He's not fooling any of the regulars
here. ; )

[Alan Browne]

Most excellent. You've proven the point. The OP is willing to explore
a dozen solutions to avoid the one that works. And could have done that
solution many times over in the time wasted.

[Wolf K]

On 2015-08-02 10:48 AM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
> Savageduck<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in
> 2015080207243285779-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:
>
>> >Silly attitude, Dropbox and Box will do the job.
>> >Silly attitude, iTunes is the best way to get this done.
> The entire task should be done in the time it takes to connect
> a cable and move the mouse (as it works with other systems today).

Did you even search on "mtp for xp"?

Good grief.

--
Best,
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-08-02, Alan Browne <alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-08-02 11:35, Werner Obermeier wrote:
>> Alan Browne <alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in
>> et2dnX_gq5H5tSPI...@giganews.com:
>>
>>> The BEST way to solve this problem is to install iTunes.
>>
>> The only ones who are suggesting that are those who do not understand
>> the problem set. Do you realize what "installing iTunes" means, when
>> you're putting it on someone else's Windows PC (that someone who doesn't
>> own a single Apple product) just to copy two files one time only?
>
> As explained that is just stubborn objection (or more likely an argument
> piece for no other reason. You originally accepted Evernote as a
> solution ... yet that also meant DLing and installing s/w.

He's trolling, plain and simple.

> As also noted, in the time you've wasted on this iTunes could have been
> DL'd, installed, used and erased. Several times for that matter.

It's his modus operandi, and it's well-known to regulars here.

[Jolly Roger]

He's a numbskull troll. So of course not. ; )

[Wolf K]

On 2015-08-02 11:35 AM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
[...]

> Do you realize what "installing iTunes" means,

[...]

Yes.

[Wolf K]

On 2015-08-02 11:59 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
[...]

> He's trolling, plain and simple.
>
>> >As also noted, in the time you've wasted on this iTunes could have been
>> >DL'd, installed, used and erased. Several times for that matter.
> It's his modus operandi, and it's well-known to regulars here.

I regret adding to the noise. Kindly accept my apologies.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-08-02, Wolf K <wol...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2015-08-02 11:59 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> [...]
>> He's trolling, plain and simple.
>>
>>> >As also noted, in the time you've wasted on this iTunes could have been
>>> >DL'd, installed, used and erased. Several times for that matter.
>> It's his modus operandi, and it's well-known to regulars here.
>
> I regret adding to the noise. Kindly accept my apologies.

No worries. : )

[Jo-Anne]

On 8/2/2015 12:48 AM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
> All I want to do is bring two MP4 files from WinXP to iOS 7.1.1 iPad.
> http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg

If the files aren't huge, you could email them to yourself as attachments.

--
Jo-Anne

[Mayayana]

| I get it, you are moving the target and pulling the chains of the group on
an off-topic exercise. Roger that.
|

He's been clear all along. He wants to know
if there's a simple way to be able to transfer
files between Windows and iPad, with a minimum
of rigmarole. It's a common sense request for
functionality that should, by common sense,
exist. Yet hordes of people are jumping in to
tell him he's being stubborn for not using "his
iCloud" or email, for not installing iTunes on
the PC, or using some other method that's more
complicated.

iTunes is an especially bad idea. It installs
something like 4 processes to run at boot and
call home, without asking. There's simply no
excuse for needing that kind of crap in order
to transfer files.

[Michelle Steiner]

In article <mpl9o9$2me$4...@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier
<spamf...@arcor.de> wrote:

> Why should it be any more difficult with Windows?

Ask Microsoft.

> > Just install iTunes, use it to get the job done, and then delete it.
>
> You have no idea what iTunes is, if you say "then delete it", but, I
> do not want to go down that rathole because saying "delete it" is like
> saying to just clean up after a nuclear disaster with handy wipes.

You have demonstrated repeatedly that you like to do things the hard
way rather than the easy way, so why should deleting iTunes be any
different? Of course, you would do it the hard way.

[Ken Springer]

I thought about 2 & 3, but since I basically know nada about iOS, I kept
my mouth shut. LOL

I have my Mac and Windows systems on the same network, hardwired, and it
was a PITA to get them to talk to each other. I finally got it done,
but not the way I wanted it to. Which is another way of saying, it's
not working the way I think it should work. <G>


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

[Michelle Steiner]

In article <mpld0i$2me$9...@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier

<spamf...@arcor.de> wrote:

> Clearly iTunes and dropbox are both ratholes that are best left for
> those who enjoy ratholes.

Clearly, "rathole" to you means, "Something I don't want to do, and
I'll hold my breath until I turn blue in the face instead of doing it."

[Michelle Steiner]

In article <mplgte$149$1...@dont-email.me>, Mayayana

<maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> He's been clear all along. He wants to know if there's a simple way
> to be able to transfer files between Windows and iPad, with a minimum
> of rigmarole. It's a common sense request for functionality that
> should, by common sense, exist.

It does exist; it's called "iTunes".

[nospam]

In article <mplgru$ua9$1...@dont-email.me>, Jo-Anne <Jo-...@nowhere.com>
wrote:

> If the files aren't huge, you could email them to yourself as attachments.

he said he doesn't want to use the cloud.

[nospam]

In article <mplgte$149$1...@dont-email.me>, Mayayana
<maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> He's been clear all along. He wants to know
> if there's a simple way to be able to transfer
> files between Windows and iPad, with a minimum
> of rigmarole.

there is a very simple way, but he refuses to use it.

> It's a common sense request for
> functionality that should, by common sense,
> exist. Yet hordes of people are jumping in to
> tell him he's being stubborn for not using "his
> iCloud" or email, for not installing iTunes on
> the PC,

only because he *is* being stubborn and stupid.

> or using some other method that's more
> complicated.

itunes is by far the simplest, easiest and most straightforward method.

it's literally one click (or no clicks if configured that way). that's
*it*. not only that, but it doesn't even need a usb cable.

> iTunes is an especially bad idea. It installs
> something like 4 processes to run at boot and
> call home, without asking. There's simply no
> excuse for needing that kind of crap in order
> to transfer files.

itunes does *much* more than transfer files.

it also does *not* phone home without asking and the processes you
claim it installs *adds* to the functionality of the computer, such as
bonjour.

[nospam]

In article <mpli9o$rko$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer

<word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> I have my Mac and Windows systems on the same network, hardwired, and it
> was a PITA to get them to talk to each other. I finally got it done,
> but not the way I wanted it to. Which is another way of saying, it's
> not working the way I think it should work. <G>

i don't know what you did, but it's very easy to get a mac and windows
system to talk to each other.

[Ken Springer]

On 8/2/15 8:40 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article <mpl6vq$6m2$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
> <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't own an iPad, so I don't know the intricacies of it, but what you
>> can do depends on whether it's an iPad 1, 2, or 3. But all should have
>> Bluetooth and/or Wi-Fi built in. My 5.5 year old iMac has both built in.
>
> none of that matters. they all work the same way.

The question I'm expressing is, all of them will have one of those two
connectivity systems, but do all three have both? As noted elsewhere, I
don't have any iOS devices, but I do know there were a lot of things
missing from the iPad 1 that were remedied in the iPad 2. I don't know
what the improvements/advances/changes are for iPad 3.

>> I know you don't want to use iTunes, but I'd bet that's going to be your
>> easiest route.

>
> of course it will be the easiest route. it's *very* easy.
>

>> It should already be on the iPad.
>
> itunes on the ipad is not needed. it's just a music/movie store.
>
> it's totally different than itunes on the computer, which includes
> device management.
>
>> I don't own any Apple
>> devices, so don't know how the syncing works.
>
> who do you think made your 5.5 year old imac?

And what does that have to do with the subject?

> anyway, syncing is very easy. just plug in the ipad (or iphone), click
> sync and whatever selected music, movies, photos, apps, etc. are
> copied. it can also be configured to sync automatically and even over
> wifi so you don't even need to fuss with a cable or click a button.
>
> but he wants to do it the hard way.

For those that want to use their Apple computers and devices in that
way, constantly keeping ever unit updated with each other, the systems
work really slick. Myself, I prefer as little cloud use as possible.

You've conveniently forgotten that Werner does not own the XP machine,
and the *owner* has decided iTunes is not to be used. Read the original
post.

>> Dropbox or similar would be my cloud choice if you have an account. I
>> don't care that much for the way it works between computers either, but
>> I don't use the account for those purposes anyway.

>
> for 2 movies that might work (assuming it fits within whatever dropbox
> plan he has), but over time it's going to end up being more than 2
> movies. he'll want more after he watches the first two.

I'd be willing to bet his friend will eventually want more files. LOL

[Jo-Anne]

I thought he meant that he didn't want to put the files into something
like Dropbox.

--
Jo-Anne

[Good Guy]

On 02/08/2015 06:48, Werner Obermeier wrote:

All I want to do is bring two MP4 files from WinXP to iOS 7.1.1 iPad.

Just zip the files and email it to yourself which you can then retrieve it using your ipad.  Can you not do this?

Probably it is rocket science here which none of us would know.

[Jolly Roger]

IIRC, the numbskull considers things like email to be "the cloud", and
avoids them at all costs.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>
> You've conveniently forgotten that Werner does not own the XP machine,
> and the *owner* has decided iTunes is not to be used. Read the original
> post.

Forgot, or recognized as the bullshit it is? This happens to be one of
the standard lies the OP tells when he posts here. "I'm using someone
else's machine, so installing iTunes is not an option" is part of his
modus operandi. He's a lame troll.

[Ken Springer]

On 8/2/15 8:19 AM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
> Ken Springer <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote in
> mpl6vq$6m2$1...@news.albasani.net:
>
>> I don't know what you mean by "mount" the iPad. If you mean you would
>> have an icon on the desktop for the iPad just as you would for an
>> external drive, it doesn't work that way AFAIK. After all, the iPad is
>> a computer.
>
> That's a good question, especially since Windows users may not be used
> to "mounting" devices as logical drives.

I'd say that's a given. <G>

> On Windows, if you plug in, oh, say, an optical DVD disc drive, you'll
> notice it's automatically "mounted" as, oh, say, "Drive E:". Likewise,
> if you plug in, oh, say, a USB stick, it's automatically mounted as, oh,
> say, "Drive F:", labeled "My USB Stick".

I think most Windows users are aware of this, but the word "mount" for
that is totally foreign.

> It's the same when you plug in an iPad into Linux. It automatically
> gets mounted as "iPad" and as "Documents". All the pictures and videos
> and screenshots are in the "iPad" mount point, while many of the users
> documents are in the "Documents" mount point.

I find that interesting, I would have thought it would show up as a
system on the network.

> These mount points act just like USB sticks do, in that you can copy
> any file on the iPad over to the Linux machine and vice versa, you can
> copy any file from the Linux machine over to the iPad, and it all just
> works.
>
> All I want is that same five-second-copy convenience for Windows XP.

>
>> I don't own an iPad, so I don't know the intricacies of it, but what you
>> can do depends on whether it's an iPad 1, 2, or 3. But all should have
>> Bluetooth and/or Wi-Fi built in. My 5.5 year old iMac has both built in.
>

> You hit the nail on the head!
>
> On Android, for example, it would be trivial to use Bluetooth or WiFi to
> or from the mobile device and laptop. The task would have been done in
> five or ten seconds.

In this situation, are you connecting directly between the device and
laptop, or is there an intermediate device such as a router?

> It's no so easy with an iPad because it's a very rigidly closed system,
> so, that is why I am asking for help and advice.

>
>> I know you don't want to use iTunes, but I'd bet that's going to be your

>> easiest route. It should already be on the iPad. I don't own any Apple

>> devices, so don't know how the syncing works.
>

> The so-called iTunes on the iPad isn't even close to the iTunes that is
> on Windows - but you are wholly correct in that nobody would want to load
> that thing onto someone else's Windows machine *just* to copy over a
> couple of files.

This does not surprise me. The Apple apps on iPads are not as robust as
the same apps installed under OS X. This was one of the downsides of
iPads and Minis for me, I wanted them to be identical. Then I learned
the same situation applies for Android tablets for apps that are on
Windows and Android from what I can tell. Since the Surface tablet runs
Windows itself, AIUI, I would think the Surface does not have "cut down"
versions if used via the cloud.

> If it were Android, it would just work by WiFi or Bluetooth, natively,
> so, that might be an option with the iPad (if WiFi or Bluetooth work).
>
> If it were Linux, it would also just work because Linux has MTP drivers
> which make the iPad a USB device, so, it's as easy as copying over
> a file to or from a USB stick.
>
> The problem is that it's Windows, which I don't know all that well.
>
> The only three viable Windows:iPad options I can think of are:
> 1. MTP drivers for Windows to mount the iPad
> 2. Bluetooth from Windows to the iPad
> 3. WiFi from Windows to the iPad

Depending on the physical situation, possibly networking the two?

>> Dropbox or similar would be my cloud choice if you have an account. I
>> don't care that much for the way it works between computers either, but
>> I don't use the account for those purposes anyway.
>

> Using dropbox will work but it's like using hand grenades on gopher
> holes. Too much overhead, too much effort, and too much disassembly
> for simply copying two files from Windows to the iPad.
>
> Bear in mind that I just did the copy today, and it took seconds, but
> I had to use sneakernet to put the files on a USB stick from Windows
> and then to put those files onto Linux. Linux has MTP drivers, so,
> I then just copied the files from Linux to the iPad over the USB
> cable that comes with the iPad.

I'm thinking you can just connect the USB stick to one or more of those
models of iPad, but I could be wrong.

> But, there must be an easy way to transfer the files from Windows
> directly to the iPad without having to resort to sneakernet or
> hand grenades.

I'm of the opinion neither MS or Apple want to make things easy for the
user in the case of connectivity. Strictly a user perspective.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-08-02, Good Guy <hello...@example.com> wrote:
> On 02/08/2015 06:48, Werner Obermeier wrote:
>> All I want to do is bring two MP4 files from WinXP to iOS 7.1.1 iPad.
>
> Just zip the files and email it to yourself which you can then retrieve
> it using your ipad. Can you not do this?

He doesn't want to use the internet.

[Ken Springer]

Which version of OS X are you talking about? Unlike connecting a
Windows computer to a Windows network, where the new windows machine
show up if sharing is turned on, Macs do not. And the way to get the
Mac to connect varies a bit by the version of OS X.

And, all of which is not germane to the topic.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> On 8/2/15 11:04 AM, nospam wrote:
>> In article <mpli9o$rko$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
>> <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have my Mac and Windows systems on the same network, hardwired, and it
>>> was a PITA to get them to talk to each other. I finally got it done,
>>> but not the way I wanted it to. Which is another way of saying, it's
>>> not working the way I think it should work. <G>
>>
>> i don't know what you did, but it's very easy to get a mac and windows
>> system to talk to each other.
>
> Which version of OS X are you talking about? Unlike connecting a
> Windows computer to a Windows network, where the new windows machine
> show up if sharing is turned on, Macs do not.

They certainly do show up on any Macs on the network. It's Windows PCs
that can't seem to see them automatically. So Windows PCs see other
Windows PCs, and Macs see other Macs. Somehow this must be Apple's
fault. Funny. : )

> And the way to get the Mac to connect varies a bit by the version of OS X.

It's still very easy. I've been doing it for decades with various
versions of both OS X and Windows.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-08-02, Stormin' Norman <nor...@schwarzkopf.invalid> wrote:

> On 2 Aug 2015 17:25:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You've conveniently forgotten that Werner does not own the XP machine,
>>> and the *owner* has decided iTunes is not to be used. Read the original
>>> post.
>>
>>Forgot, or recognized as the bullshit it is? This happens to be one of
>>the standard lies the OP tells when he posts here. "I'm using someone
>>else's machine, so installing iTunes is not an option" is part of his
>>modus operandi. He's a lame troll.
>

> The best solution to EVERY problem is the simplest one which
> accomplishes the desired end result.

Yes, well in this case, that would be:

1. Install iTunes.
2. Add content to iTunes.
3. Synchronize the iPad to iTunes.
4. Uninstall iTunes.

Done deal, and you've spent half an hour or less of your time doing it.

And if you were to keep iTunes installed, you could easily set it to
sync automatically over WiFi so that adding content to the iPad in the
future is a simple matter of importing it into iTunes and allowing the
sync to happen automatically over WiFi.

> As services like dropbox and wetransfer can transfer files easily and
> without requiring the installation of any additional software, they
> represent the best solution to the problem presented.
>
> To have the best solutions rejected out of hand is the behavior of a
> troll, I agree.

When posting here asking for "help", he almost always rejects anything
that uses "the cloud" - whether it be services like DropBox or things
like email.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-08-02, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>> On 8/2/15 11:04 AM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <mpli9o$rko$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
>>> <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have my Mac and Windows systems on the same network, hardwired, and it
>>>> was a PITA to get them to talk to each other. I finally got it done,
>>>> but not the way I wanted it to. Which is another way of saying, it's
>>>> not working the way I think it should work. <G>
>>>
>>> i don't know what you did, but it's very easy to get a mac and windows
>>> system to talk to each other.
>>
>> Which version of OS X are you talking about? Unlike connecting a
>> Windows computer to a Windows network, where the new windows machine
>> show up if sharing is turned on, Macs do not.
>
> They certainly do show up on any Macs on the network. It's Windows PCs
> that can't seem to see them automatically. So Windows PCs see other
> Windows PCs, and Macs see other Macs. Somehow this must be Apple's
> fault. Funny. : )

I should add that in recent versions of OS X, Windows PCs that are
sharing files actually do appear automatically on Macs on the network.

[bj]

Use a bootable linux usb to boot the friend's pc, copy the files to that
usb, shut down, take the usb home to your own machine & copy however you do
it to the iPad.
bj

[nospam]

In article <mplj58$tf7$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer

<word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> >> I don't own an iPad, so I don't know the intricacies of it, but what you
> >> can do depends on whether it's an iPad 1, 2, or 3. But all should have
> >> Bluetooth and/or Wi-Fi built in. My 5.5 year old iMac has both built in.
> >
> > none of that matters. they all work the same way.
>
> The question I'm expressing is, all of them will have one of those two
> connectivity systems, but do all three have both?

all ipads have wifi and bluetooth but neither is needed to sync content.

syncing is frequently done over usb because it's fast, but it can
optionally be done over wifi for convenience.

> As noted elsewhere, I
> don't have any iOS devices,

then you ought not to comment.

> but I do know there were a lot of things
> missing from the iPad 1 that were remedied in the iPad 2.

not really.

the ipad 2 was a little thinner and lighter than the original ipad and
also added a camera. it was also a little faster and had more memory.

those are all nice, but nothing that would affect moving content.

> I don't know
> what the improvements/advances/changes are for iPad 3.

the main difference with the ipad 3 was a retina display.

other differences include bluetooth le and for the cellular version,
lte support.

> >> I don't own any Apple
> >> devices, so don't know how the syncing works.
> >
> > who do you think made your 5.5 year old imac?
>
> And what does that have to do with the subject?

you said you didn't have an apple device and then said you did.

> > anyway, syncing is very easy. just plug in the ipad (or iphone), click
> > sync and whatever selected music, movies, photos, apps, etc. are
> > copied. it can also be configured to sync automatically and even over
> > wifi so you don't even need to fuss with a cable or click a button.
> >
> > but he wants to do it the hard way.
>
> For those that want to use their Apple computers and devices in that
> way, constantly keeping ever unit updated with each other, the systems
> work really slick. Myself, I prefer as little cloud use as possible.

the cloud is not required for any content transfer and keeping multiple
ios devices in sync is not required nor is it even applicable since
this is just one device syncing to one computer.

> You've conveniently forgotten that Werner does not own the XP machine,
> and the *owner* has decided iTunes is not to be used. Read the original
> post.

having seen his posts before, he's full of shit.

all he does is whine about how horrible itunes is.

he doesn't actually want a solution. he just wants to rant.

this very same scenario has come up many times before, with only minor
differences in details.

> >> Dropbox or similar would be my cloud choice if you have an account. I
> >> don't care that much for the way it works between computers either, but
> >> I don't use the account for those purposes anyway.
> >
> > for 2 movies that might work (assuming it fits within whatever dropbox
> > plan he has), but over time it's going to end up being more than 2
> > movies. he'll want more after he watches the first two.
>
> I'd be willing to bet his friend will eventually want more files. LOL

that's my point.

all of the crazy workarounds might suffice for one or two files but it
won't be just one or two files.

[nospam]

In article <mplk5g$v8i$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer

<word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> >> I know you don't want to use iTunes, but I'd bet that's going to be your
> >> easiest route. It should already be on the iPad. I don't own any Apple
> >> devices, so don't know how the syncing works.
> >
> > The so-called iTunes on the iPad isn't even close to the iTunes that is
> > on Windows - but you are wholly correct in that nobody would want to load
> > that thing onto someone else's Windows machine *just* to copy over a
> > couple of files.
>
> This does not surprise me. The Apple apps on iPads are not as robust as
> the same apps installed under OS X.

nonsense, and they aren't the same apps anyway.

> This was one of the downsides of
> iPads and Minis for me, I wanted them to be identical. Then I learned
> the same situation applies for Android tablets for apps that are on
> Windows and Android from what I can tell.

they can't be identical since a touch based device must have a
different interface than a mouse/keyboard device.

> Since the Surface tablet runs
> Windows itself, AIUI, I would think the Surface does not have "cut down"
> versions if used via the cloud.

and look how well surface is selling.

...

> > But, there must be an easy way to transfer the files from Windows
> > directly to the iPad without having to resort to sneakernet or
> > hand grenades.
>
> I'm of the opinion neither MS or Apple want to make things easy for the
> user in the case of connectivity. Strictly a user perspective.

apple made it *very* easy.

[nospam]

In article <mplj47$955$1...@dont-email.me>, Jo-Anne <Jo-...@nowhere.com>

wrote:

> >> If the files aren't huge, you could email them to yourself as attachments.
> >
> > he said he doesn't want to use the cloud.
> >
>
> I thought he meant that he didn't want to put the files into something
> like Dropbox.

either way, it goes into the cloud. one is a mail server and the other
is a dropbox server.

[nospam]

In article <86lsrad0om82mhad4...@4ax.com>, Stormin'

Norman <nor...@schwarzkopf.invalid> wrote:

> The best solution to EVERY problem is the simplest one which accomplishes the
> desired end result.

almost always true.

> As services like dropbox and wetransfer can transfer files easily and without
> requiring the installation of
> any additional software, they represent the best solution to the problem
> presented.

they require installing dropbox or whatever.

> To have the best solutions rejected out of hand is the behavior of a troll, I agree.

he's done it repeatedly.

[nospam]

In article <mplkcb$vm0$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer

<word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> >> I have my Mac and Windows systems on the same network, hardwired, and it
> >> was a PITA to get them to talk to each other. I finally got it done,
> >> but not the way I wanted it to. Which is another way of saying, it's
> >> not working the way I think it should work. <G>
> >
> > i don't know what you did, but it's very easy to get a mac and windows
> > system to talk to each other.
>
> Which version of OS X are you talking about?

all of them in the past decade.

probably longer, possibly all the way back to the beginning of os x,
but it's been so long that i don't remember what the early systems had
and didn't have.

you said your imac is 5.5 years old, which means there is no issue with
interoperating with windows.

> Unlike connecting a
> Windows computer to a Windows network, where the new windows machine
> show up if sharing is turned on, Macs do not. And the way to get the
> Mac to connect varies a bit by the version of OS X.

also wrong.

> And, all of which is not germane to the topic.

true, but you brought it up.

[Mayayana]

| > He's been clear all along. He wants to know if there's a simple way
| > to be able to transfer files between Windows and iPad, with a minimum
| > of rigmarole. It's a common sense request for functionality that
| > should, by common sense, exist.
|
| It does exist; it's called "iTunes".

I don't expect Apple fans to understand
what iTunes is for Windows users, but if
you'd read the rest of my post instead of
deleting it you might have some idea.

A common sense solution implies
something that can be done by the OS.
Not 3rd-party software. Not membership
in some kind of online storage service.
He simply wants to copy over files. He
didn't ask for anyone's opinion about how
he *should* do it.

On the other hand, looking at your posts
in this thread I'm guessing that "Michelle
Steiner" is a pen name for the incorrigible,
inimitable, argumentative and unfailingly
irrational nospam. :)

[nospam]

In article <mpllsv$l54$1...@dont-email.me>, Mayayana

<maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> | > He's been clear all along. He wants to know if there's a simple way
> | > to be able to transfer files between Windows and iPad, with a minimum
> | > of rigmarole. It's a common sense request for functionality that
> | > should, by common sense, exist.
> |
> | It does exist; it's called "iTunes".
>
> I don't expect Apple fans to understand
> what iTunes is for Windows users, but if
> you'd read the rest of my post instead of
> deleting it you might have some idea.

it's basically the same on either platform.

the windows version is a little worse because of limitations in
windows, but there's not much apple (or anyone) can do about that.

> A common sense solution implies
> something that can be done by the OS.
> Not 3rd-party software. Not membership
> in some kind of online storage service.
> He simply wants to copy over files. He
> didn't ask for anyone's opinion about how
> he *should* do it.

there is no membership in anything.

itunes makes it brain-dead simple.

> On the other hand, looking at your posts
> in this thread I'm guessing that "Michelle
> Steiner" is a pen name for the incorrigible,
> inimitable, argumentative and unfailingly
> irrational nospam. :)

definitely not.

[mick]

On 02/08/2015 06:48:15, Werner Obermeier wrote:

> If all I want to do is bring over a couple of MP4 files from WinXP
> SP3 to the iPad VLC private documents directory, what's the easiest
> way to accomplish this when both devices are on the same network?

Install File Explorer from the Apps Store on your iPad, then you will
see all your devices on the network then you can transfer any type of
file to the iPad.
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/fileexplorer-free/id510282524?mt=8

--
mick

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-08-02, Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>| > He's been clear all along. He wants to know if there's a simple way
>| > to be able to transfer files between Windows and iPad, with a minimum
>| > of rigmarole. It's a common sense request for functionality that
>| > should, by common sense, exist.
>|
>| It does exist; it's called "iTunes".
>
> I don't expect Apple fans to understand what iTunes is for Windows
> users

That attitude seems silly considering more Mac users seem to use Windows
than vice versa. Many of us use both daily, and have no problems with
iTunes on Windows - despite all of these supposed "rabbit hole" issues
trolls like to talk about here. The fact is the OP could have installed
iTunes, synchronized content to his iPad, and uninstalled iTunes
already, but is instead still here futzing around with more complicated
and asinine "solutions". In fact for many of us, it happens
automatically without any effort on our part, precisely because we
haven't fallen for the "iTunes sucks" troll bait. ; )

[Ken Springer]

On 8/2/15 11:46 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-08-02, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/2/15 11:04 AM, nospam wrote:
>>>> In article <mpli9o$rko$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
>>>> <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have my Mac and Windows systems on the same network, hardwired, and it
>>>>> was a PITA to get them to talk to each other. I finally got it done,
>>>>> but not the way I wanted it to. Which is another way of saying, it's
>>>>> not working the way I think it should work. <G>
>>>>
>>>> i don't know what you did, but it's very easy to get a mac and windows
>>>> system to talk to each other.
>>>
>>> Which version of OS X are you talking about? Unlike connecting a
>>> Windows computer to a Windows network, where the new windows machine
>>> show up if sharing is turned on, Macs do not.
>>
>> They certainly do show up on any Macs on the network. It's Windows PCs
>> that can't seem to see them automatically. So Windows PCs see other
>> Windows PCs, and Macs see other Macs. Somehow this must be Apple's
>> fault. Funny. : )
>
> I should add that in recent versions of OS X, Windows PCs that are
> sharing files actually do appear automatically on Macs on the network.

Exactly as you've said in both posts. Windows can't see the Macs with
some hoop jumping. And from what a Mac software vendor told me, Apple
is making it harder to do things across networks, and I'm presuming he
was referring to Windows networks.

[Ken Springer]

On 8/2/15 12:02 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <mplkcb$vm0$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
> <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I have my Mac and Windows systems on the same network, hardwired, and it
>>>> was a PITA to get them to talk to each other. I finally got it done,
>>>> but not the way I wanted it to. Which is another way of saying, it's
>>>> not working the way I think it should work. <G>
>>>
>>> i don't know what you did, but it's very easy to get a mac and windows
>>> system to talk to each other.
>>
>> Which version of OS X are you talking about?
>
> all of them in the past decade.
>
> probably longer, possibly all the way back to the beginning of os x,
> but it's been so long that i don't remember what the early systems had
> and didn't have.
>
> you said your imac is 5.5 years old, which means there is no issue with
> interoperating with windows.

When attaching to a Windows network, the Windows computers, if shared,
show up in Mac's finder. The reverse is not true. Macs will not show
up in Windows Explorer, even if shared.

>> Unlike connecting a
>> Windows computer to a Windows network, where the new windows machine
>> show up if sharing is turned on, Macs do not. And the way to get the
>> Mac to connect varies a bit by the version of OS X.
>
> also wrong.
>
>> And, all of which is not germane to the topic.
>
> true, but you brought it up.
>

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
> On 8/2/15 11:46 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-08-02, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>>>> On 8/2/15 11:04 AM, nospam wrote:
>>>>> In article <mpli9o$rko$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
>>>>> <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have my Mac and Windows systems on the same network, hardwired, and it
>>>>>> was a PITA to get them to talk to each other. I finally got it done,
>>>>>> but not the way I wanted it to. Which is another way of saying, it's
>>>>>> not working the way I think it should work. <G>
>>>>>
>>>>> i don't know what you did, but it's very easy to get a mac and windows
>>>>> system to talk to each other.
>>>>
>>>> Which version of OS X are you talking about? Unlike connecting a
>>>> Windows computer to a Windows network, where the new windows machine
>>>> show up if sharing is turned on, Macs do not.
>>>
>>> They certainly do show up on any Macs on the network. It's Windows PCs
>>> that can't seem to see them automatically. So Windows PCs see other
>>> Windows PCs, and Macs see other Macs. Somehow this must be Apple's
>>> fault. Funny. : )
>>
>> I should add that in recent versions of OS X, Windows PCs that are
>> sharing files actually do appear automatically on Macs on the network.
>
> Exactly as you've said in both posts. Windows can't see the Macs with
> some hoop jumping.

And Macs can see Windows computers on the network just fine, yep.

> And from what a Mac software vendor told me, Apple
> is making it harder to do things across networks, and I'm presuming he
> was referring to Windows networks.

You're going to have to do better than "someone told me" here. I have
yet to see any evidence that Apple is making networking anything but
easier. So which software vendor was this?

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> On 8/2/15 12:02 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article <mplkcb$vm0$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
>> <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I have my Mac and Windows systems on the same network, hardwired, and it
>>>>> was a PITA to get them to talk to each other. I finally got it done,
>>>>> but not the way I wanted it to. Which is another way of saying, it's
>>>>> not working the way I think it should work. <G>
>>>>
>>>> i don't know what you did, but it's very easy to get a mac and windows
>>>> system to talk to each other.
>>>
>>> Which version of OS X are you talking about?
>>
>> all of them in the past decade.
>>
>> probably longer, possibly all the way back to the beginning of os x,
>> but it's been so long that i don't remember what the early systems had
>> and didn't have.
>>
>> you said your imac is 5.5 years old, which means there is no issue with
>> interoperating with windows.
>
> When attaching to a Windows network, the Windows computers, if shared,
> show up in Mac's finder. The reverse is not true. Macs will not show
> up in Windows Explorer, even if shared.

Sorry, but that does not equate to it being a PITA to get them to
talk to each other in my book. Walk over to a Mac, open a Finder window,
click the PC in the side bar. Done.

[Ken Springer]

On 8/2/15 12:02 PM, nospam wrote:

> the cloud is not required for any content transfer and keeping multiple
> ios devices in sync is not required nor is it even applicable since
> this is just one device syncing to one computer.

Excuse me????

If I'm at home with my computer, my wife (if I had one <G>), was at the
grocery store 5 miles away with her iPhone, and I add an item to the
grocery list, and her iPhone updates adding the new item, that's not
using the cloud?

[Michelle Steiner]

In article <mplmmv$4i1$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer

<word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> Exactly as you've said in both posts. Windows can't see the Macs with
> some hoop jumping. And from what a Mac software vendor told me, Apple
> is making it harder to do things across networks, and I'm presuming he
> was referring to Windows networks.

I would avoid that software vendor; he doesn't know what he's talking
about, or is lying, or both.

[Michelle Steiner]

In article <mpllsv$l54$1...@dont-email.me>, Mayayana
<maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> I don't expect Apple fans to understand what iTunes is for Windows
> users, but if you'd read the rest of my post instead of deleting it
> you might have some idea.

All I know is that many Windows users who complain about iTunes have no
rational basis for their complaints.

> A common sense solution implies something that can be done by the
> OS. Not 3rd-party software. Not membership in some kind of online
> storage service.

Well, then, he should be bugging Microsoft about it.

> He simply wants to copy over files. He didn't ask
> for anyone's opinion about how he *should* do it.

He wants to know how to copy over files, but he doesn't to know how he
should copy over files. You are a master of the inane.

> On the other hand, looking at your posts in this thread I'm
> guessing that "Michelle Steiner" is a pen name for the incorrigible,
> inimitable, argumentative and unfailingly irrational nospam. :)

You've been wrong about everything else, so of course, you're wrong
about this too. nospam and I are at loggerheads about almost
everything except countering the anti-Apple nonsense of linux and
Windows users.

[Michelle Steiner]

In article <mplmrq$4i1$2...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer

<word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> > you said your imac is 5.5 years old, which means there is no issue with
> > interoperating with windows.
>
> When attaching to a Windows network, the Windows computers, if shared,
> show up in Mac's finder. The reverse is not true. Macs will not show
> up in Windows Explorer, even if shared.

Take that up with Microsoft.

[Ken Springer]

On 8/2/15 12:02 PM, nospam wrote:

>> I'm of the opinion neither MS or Apple want to make things easy for the
>> >user in the case of connectivity. Strictly a user perspective.
> apple made it*very* easy.

Easy in one way only, Windows to Macs provided you have sharing on and
have the username and password if necessary. But if you are on Windows,
there's a couple steps (which I've forgotten) you have to do to so the
Mac will show up under Network in Windows Explorer.

[nospam]

In article <d274noF...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger

<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> >| > He's been clear all along. He wants to know if there's a simple way
> >| > to be able to transfer files between Windows and iPad, with a minimum
> >| > of rigmarole. It's a common sense request for functionality that
> >| > should, by common sense, exist.
> >|
> >| It does exist; it's called "iTunes".
> >
> > I don't expect Apple fans to understand what iTunes is for Windows
> > users
>
> That attitude seems silly considering more Mac users seem to use Windows
> than vice versa.

not only that but more windows users use itunes than mac users.

the majority of ios device owners are windows users.

> Many of us use both daily, and have no problems with
> iTunes on Windows - despite all of these supposed "rabbit hole" issues
> trolls like to talk about here. The fact is the OP could have installed
> iTunes, synchronized content to his iPad, and uninstalled iTunes
> already, but is instead still here futzing around with more complicated
> and asinine "solutions". In fact for many of us, it happens
> automatically without any effort on our part, precisely because we
> haven't fallen for the "iTunes sucks" troll bait. ; )

yep. it's a problem of his own making.

[nospam]

In article <020820151124180828%mich...@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner

<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> > Exactly as you've said in both posts. Windows can't see the Macs with
> > some hoop jumping. And from what a Mac software vendor told me, Apple
> > is making it harder to do things across networks, and I'm presuming he
> > was referring to Windows networks.
>
> I would avoid that software vendor; he doesn't know what he's talking
> about, or is lying, or both.

absolutely.

[nospam]

In article <mplmmv$4i1$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer

<word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> > I should add that in recent versions of OS X, Windows PCs that are
> > sharing files actually do appear automatically on Macs on the network.
>
> Exactly as you've said in both posts. Windows can't see the Macs with
> some hoop jumping.

what hoops?

when you enable windows file sharing on a mac, it tells you the url to
mount it. over on windows, use that url to connect.

> And from what a Mac software vendor told me, Apple
> is making it harder to do things across networks, and I'm presuming he
> was referring to Windows networks.

nonsense.

[nospam]

In article <mplmrq$4i1$2...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer

<word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> > you said your imac is 5.5 years old, which means there is no issue with
> > interoperating with windows.
>
> When attaching to a Windows network, the Windows computers, if shared,
> show up in Mac's finder. The reverse is not true. Macs will not show
> up in Windows Explorer, even if shared.

big deal. sometimes windows systems don't show up either which is why
there's a way to mount an arbitrary device.

[nospam]

In article <mpln7f$5jv$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer

<word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:

> > the cloud is not required for any content transfer and keeping multiple
> > ios devices in sync is not required nor is it even applicable since
> > this is just one device syncing to one computer.
>
> Excuse me????
>
> If I'm at home with my computer, my wife (if I had one <G>), was at the
> grocery store 5 miles away with her iPhone, and I add an item to the
> grocery list, and her iPhone updates adding the new item, that's not
> using the cloud?

that particular scenario uses the cloud but as i said, it's not
*required*.

copying content, i.e. music, movies and photos, is easily done with a
usb cable.

copying content *can* be done via the cloud and some people find that
to be beneficial, but it's not the only way.

[nospam]

In article <020820151130242748%mich...@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner

<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> > I don't expect Apple fans to understand what iTunes is for Windows
> > users, but if you'd read the rest of my post instead of deleting it
> > you might have some idea.
>
> All I know is that many Windows users who complain about iTunes have no
> rational basis for their complaints.

nothing satisfies everyone. a small number of people don't like itunes
and are very vocal about it, but there are hundreds of millions who
don't have a problem.

...

> > On the other hand, looking at your posts in this thread I'm
> > guessing that "Michelle Steiner" is a pen name for the incorrigible,
> > inimitable, argumentative and unfailingly irrational nospam. :)
>
> You've been wrong about everything else, so of course, you're wrong
> about this too. nospam and I are at loggerheads about almost
> everything except countering the anti-Apple nonsense of linux and
> Windows users.

and sometimes even that :)

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-08-02, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <mpln7f$5jv$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
><word...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>
>> > the cloud is not required for any content transfer and keeping multiple
>> > ios devices in sync is not required nor is it even applicable since
>> > this is just one device syncing to one computer.
>>
>> Excuse me????
>>
>> If I'm at home with my computer, my wife (if I had one <G>), was at the
>> grocery store 5 miles away with her iPhone, and I add an item to the
>> grocery list, and her iPhone updates adding the new item, that's not
>> using the cloud?
>
> that particular scenario uses the cloud but as i said, it's not
> *required*.
>
> copying content, i.e. music, movies and photos, is easily done with a
> usb cable.

Yep. It could also be done over a local WiFi network, automatically
without any effort on your part. An internet connection is not required.
That's how my iPhone synchronizes with my Mac ~95% of the time. I rarely
even think about it - the iTunes just keeps everything synchronized
whenever I'm on my home network. IMO, it is a top-notch user experience.
: )