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Bob
Aug 25, 2013, 11:37:00 AM8/25/13
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Hi,
I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
Would be nice to go to all of these groups on the iPad, rather than
having to do it via Thunderbird on my desktop PC.
Thanks,
Bob
I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
Would be nice to go to all of these groups on the iPad, rather than
having to do it via Thunderbird on my desktop PC.
Thanks,
Bob
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Recliner
Aug 25, 2013, 11:44:14 AM8/25/13
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ways I prefer it to Forte Agent, which I use on my PC. I'm using the
latest, paid-for versions of both. I've also use Outlook Express in the
past, and that was definitely inferior to both.
Brian
Aug 26, 2013, 2:13:49 AM8/26/13
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
Its the only one that Apple will allow. Apple has control on what apps are
available for the iPod.
--
Regards Brian
> In article <kvd8as$44h$1...@dont-email.me>, Bob <rgs...@notme.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
>>
>> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
>
> You looked, you found. That's it.
>
>> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
>>
>> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
>
Its the only one that Apple will allow. Apple has control on what apps are
available for the iPod.
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Regards Brian
nospam
Aug 26, 2013, 2:38:10 AM8/26/13
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In article
<842789373399190356.6...@free.teranews.com>, Brian
apple isn't blocking usenet apps and there are more than just one.
however, the others are truly awful.
the reason there aren't very many usenet apps is because it's a very
limited market and there's not much money in writing them.
<842789373399190356.6...@free.teranews.com>, Brian
<bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> >> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
> >>
> >> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
> >
> > You looked, you found. That's it.
>
> Its the only one that Apple will allow. Apple has control on what apps are
> available for the iPod.
nonsense.
> >> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
> >>
> >> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
> >
> > You looked, you found. That's it.
>
> Its the only one that Apple will allow. Apple has control on what apps are
> available for the iPod.
apple isn't blocking usenet apps and there are more than just one.
however, the others are truly awful.
the reason there aren't very many usenet apps is because it's a very
limited market and there's not much money in writing them.
Brian
Aug 26, 2013, 3:46:39 AM8/26/13
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--
Regards Brian
nospam
Aug 26, 2013, 4:02:57 AM8/26/13
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In article
<807885070399195848.4...@free.teranews.com>, Brian
yrnews
phonews
apple isn't blocking anything.
<807885070399195848.4...@free.teranews.com>, Brian
<bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> >> Its the only one that Apple will allow. Apple has control on what apps are
> >> available for the iPod.
> >
> > nonsense.
> >
> > apple isn't blocking usenet apps and there are more than just one.
> > however, the others are truly awful.
> >
> > the reason there aren't very many usenet apps is because it's a very
> > limited market and there's not much money in writing them.
>
> Can you name another usenet app for the iPad?
these are not ipad native but they work on the ipad:
> >> Its the only one that Apple will allow. Apple has control on what apps are
> >> available for the iPod.
> >
> > nonsense.
> >
> > apple isn't blocking usenet apps and there are more than just one.
> > however, the others are truly awful.
> >
> > the reason there aren't very many usenet apps is because it's a very
> > limited market and there's not much money in writing them.
>
> Can you name another usenet app for the iPad?
yrnews
phonews
apple isn't blocking anything.
Brian
Aug 26, 2013, 5:22:52 AM8/26/13
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that are available are those at the app store. I read that before the app
appears on the app store it needs to be approved by Apple. On the good side
you don't get a lot of bad poorly written programs in the app store and on
the other hand programs that allow downloading of YouTube videos don't
appear in the apps store as I presume Apple is against people downloading
videos from YouTube.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
--
Regards Brian
Recliner
Aug 26, 2013, 6:01:56 AM8/26/13
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clients? It's not as if Apple has a competing product or any proprietary
standards to defend in this area. Apple certainly does behave in an
anti-competitive way when it suits it to do so, but I can't see any reason
for it do so in this area. No, I think the real issue is the lack of market
-- usenet is a pre-Web form of social networking, little used by younger
people today, while iPads are aimed more at those youngsters (yes, I know
there are also plenty of retired iPad users).
Calum
Aug 26, 2013, 7:09:15 AM8/26/13
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On 26/08/2013 10:22, Brian wrote:
> From what I understand unless you jail break the iPad the only programs
> that are available are those at the app store. I read that before the app
> appears on the app store it needs to be approved by Apple.
Absolutely true, but Apple's developer guidelines are well documented
> From what I understand unless you jail break the iPad the only programs
> that are available are those at the app store. I read that before the app
> appears on the app store it needs to be approved by Apple.
and they'll happily publish any app that follows them.
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Erilar
Aug 26, 2013, 8:29:08 AM8/26/13
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--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
nospam
Aug 26, 2013, 8:29:16 AM8/26/13
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In article
<1597816619399201412....@free.teranews.com>, Brian
their own custom apps directly to their employees without going through
the store. those apps wouldn't make much sense to non-employees and/or
might have proprietary information that only employees should have
access to. the company needs to be part of the enterprise program to do
this.
> I read that before the app
> appears on the app store it needs to be approved by Apple.
that's correct.
> On the good side
> you don't get a lot of bad poorly written programs in the app store
yes you do. there is a lot of crap on the app store.
if an app crashes a lot it will be rejected, but apple doesn't spend a
lot of time testing each app, so crashes still can occur, as well as
apps that don't work properly.
> and on
> the other hand programs that allow downloading of YouTube videos don't
> appear in the apps store as I presume Apple is against people downloading
> videos from YouTube.
there are numerous apps available that download videos from youtube.
<1597816619399201412....@free.teranews.com>, Brian
<bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> From what I understand unless you jail break the iPad the only programs
> that are available are those at the app store.
for typical users that's correct. however, large companies can deploy
> From what I understand unless you jail break the iPad the only programs
> that are available are those at the app store.
their own custom apps directly to their employees without going through
the store. those apps wouldn't make much sense to non-employees and/or
might have proprietary information that only employees should have
access to. the company needs to be part of the enterprise program to do
this.
> I read that before the app
> appears on the app store it needs to be approved by Apple.
> On the good side
> you don't get a lot of bad poorly written programs in the app store
if an app crashes a lot it will be rejected, but apple doesn't spend a
lot of time testing each app, so crashes still can occur, as well as
apps that don't work properly.
> and on
> the other hand programs that allow downloading of YouTube videos don't
> appear in the apps store as I presume Apple is against people downloading
> videos from YouTube.
James Silverton
Aug 26, 2013, 9:08:32 AM8/26/13
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recognizes the name but does not have it?
--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
Extraneous "not." in Reply To.
nospam
Aug 26, 2013, 9:21:36 AM8/26/13
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In article <kvfk08$eir$1...@dont-email.me>, James Silverton
the two reviews are not exactly flattering.
<not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
> recognizes the name but does not have it?
<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/yrnews-usenet-reader/id538720238?mt=8>
> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
> recognizes the name but does not have it?
the two reviews are not exactly flattering.
Jon
Aug 26, 2013, 9:41:49 AM8/26/13
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Recliner
Aug 26, 2013, 10:01:51 AM8/26/13
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badly formatted messages. It's barely tolerable for reading, completely
intolerable for writing.
Brian
Aug 26, 2013, 10:36:28 AM8/26/13
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downloaded could download videos from other streaming sites except for
YouTube.
If you know of an iPad app that can download YouTube videos then I'd be
interested in the name of the app.
--
Regards Brian
James Silverton
Aug 26, 2013, 10:47:46 AM8/26/13
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and I also dislike the email program that they provide. I think I will
stick to my desktop for news and mail. I use Thunderbird with news
servers Eternal-september and news.mozilla.org and those more or less do
what I want.
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Doc O'Leary
Aug 26, 2013, 11:32:02 AM8/26/13
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In article
<815716252399203869.662072...@news.btinternet.com
>,
This is it entirely. I have long wanted to write a modern Usenet client
(including pushing Usenet as a CDN for things like video podcasts), but
everyone seems more interested in web solutions that offer end-to-end
control. That was happening well before the iPad got introduced.
Usenet readership pales in comparison to other social networks. Most
ISPs don't host their own NNTP servers. Most software developers find
work doing other things. It's a shame, too, because Usenet could still
be such a useful piece of Internet infrastructure.
--
iPhone apps that matter: http://appstore.subsume.com/
My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, theremailer.net,
and probably your server, too.
<815716252399203869.662072...@news.btinternet.com
>,
This is it entirely. I have long wanted to write a modern Usenet client
(including pushing Usenet as a CDN for things like video podcasts), but
everyone seems more interested in web solutions that offer end-to-end
control. That was happening well before the iPad got introduced.
Usenet readership pales in comparison to other social networks. Most
ISPs don't host their own NNTP servers. Most software developers find
work doing other things. It's a shame, too, because Usenet could still
be such a useful piece of Internet infrastructure.
--
iPhone apps that matter: http://appstore.subsume.com/
My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, theremailer.net,
and probably your server, too.
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James Silverton
Aug 26, 2013, 11:37:23 AM8/26/13
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On 8/26/2013 11:29 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <kvfk08$eir$1...@dont-email.me>,
> James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> In article <kvfk08$eir$1...@dont-email.me>,
> James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
>> recognizes the name but does not have it?
>
> But it does have it, so your question is irrelevant.
>> recognizes the name but does not have it?
>
>
Huh! Have you tried to down load it from the App Store?
Recliner
Aug 26, 2013, 11:38:42 AM8/26/13
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James Silverton
Aug 26, 2013, 11:43:50 AM8/26/13
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On 8/26/2013 11:33 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <kvfpqa$f5s$1...@dont-email.me>,
>
News will keep until I return home but I do use Mail when away from
home. One major defect of Mail is that it does not readily remove large
quantities of read mail. I have used
https://discussions.apple.com/message/22106590#22106590
And, this does seem to work but I'm not actually sure what is happening
and moved mail gets lost in the transfer to Trash.
> In article <kvfpqa$f5s$1...@dont-email.me>,
> James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On 8/26/2013 9:21 AM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <kvfk08$eir$1...@dont-email.me>, James Silverton
>>> <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
>>>> recognizes the name but does not have it?
>>>
>>> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/yrnews-usenet-reader/id538720238?mt=8>
>>>
>>> the two reviews are not exactly flattering.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks! I have not exactly been entranced by the one Apple offers either
>> and I also dislike the email program that they provide.
>
> Apple doesn't provide a usenet news reader.
>
>> On 8/26/2013 9:21 AM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <kvfk08$eir$1...@dont-email.me>, James Silverton
>>> <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
>>>> recognizes the name but does not have it?
>>>
>>> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/yrnews-usenet-reader/id538720238?mt=8>
>>>
>>> the two reviews are not exactly flattering.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks! I have not exactly been entranced by the one Apple offers either
>> and I also dislike the email program that they provide.
>
>
>> I think I will stick to my desktop for news and mail.
>
> What will you do for news and mail when away from your desktop?
>> I think I will stick to my desktop for news and mail.
>
>
News will keep until I return home but I do use Mail when away from
home. One major defect of Mail is that it does not readily remove large
quantities of read mail. I have used
https://discussions.apple.com/message/22106590#22106590
And, this does seem to work but I'm not actually sure what is happening
and moved mail gets lost in the transfer to Trash.
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Erilar
Aug 26, 2013, 2:45:42 PM8/26/13
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nospam
Aug 26, 2013, 2:50:22 PM8/26/13
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In article <kvfpqa$f5s$1...@dont-email.me>, James Silverton
> and I also dislike the email program that they provide.
so get a different email app. there are a *lot* of mail apps, from
system specific, such as yahoo or gmail, to any system you want. as
with anything, some are quite good and others not so much.
> I think I will
> stick to my desktop for news and mail. I use Thunderbird with news
> servers Eternal-september and news.mozilla.org and those more or less do
> what I want.
a desktop or even a laptop is not as portable as an iphone or ipad.
<not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
> >> recognizes the name but does not have it?
> >
> > <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/yrnews-usenet-reader/id538720238?mt=8>
> >
> > the two reviews are not exactly flattering.
> >
> Thanks! I have not exactly been entranced by the one Apple offers either
apple doesn't offer a usenet reader
> >> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
> >> recognizes the name but does not have it?
> >
> > <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/yrnews-usenet-reader/id538720238?mt=8>
> >
> > the two reviews are not exactly flattering.
> >
> Thanks! I have not exactly been entranced by the one Apple offers either
> and I also dislike the email program that they provide.
system specific, such as yahoo or gmail, to any system you want. as
with anything, some are quite good and others not so much.
> I think I will
> stick to my desktop for news and mail. I use Thunderbird with news
> servers Eternal-september and news.mozilla.org and those more or less do
> what I want.
nospam
Aug 26, 2013, 2:50:24 PM8/26/13
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In article
<426532043399220386.6...@free.teranews.com>, Brian
however, another app, tube universal downloader, claims they had to
remove youtube downloading because it violates the youtube terms of
service, not apple's.
<426532043399220386.6...@free.teranews.com>, Brian
<bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> >> and on
> >> the other hand programs that allow downloading of YouTube videos don't
> >> appear in the apps store as I presume Apple is against people downloading
> >> videos from YouTube.
> >
> > there are numerous apps available that download videos from youtube.
>
> Last time I looked in the app store the only video streaming apps I found
> downloaded could download videos from other streaming sites except for
> YouTube.
> If you know of an iPad app that can download YouTube videos then I'd be
> interested in the name of the app.
ultra idownloader claims to download from youtube ('key feature'),
> >> and on
> >> the other hand programs that allow downloading of YouTube videos don't
> >> appear in the apps store as I presume Apple is against people downloading
> >> videos from YouTube.
> >
> > there are numerous apps available that download videos from youtube.
>
> Last time I looked in the app store the only video streaming apps I found
> downloaded could download videos from other streaming sites except for
> YouTube.
> If you know of an iPad app that can download YouTube videos then I'd be
> interested in the name of the app.
however, another app, tube universal downloader, claims they had to
remove youtube downloading because it violates the youtube terms of
service, not apple's.
nospam
Aug 26, 2013, 2:50:26 PM8/26/13
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In article <michelle-64DCD2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
no it isn't. what he is asking is to download videos, not stream them.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > If you know of an iPad app that can download YouTube videos then I'd be
> > interested in the name of the app.
>
> Its name is "You Tube".
> > If you know of an iPad app that can download YouTube videos then I'd be
> > interested in the name of the app.
>
no it isn't. what he is asking is to download videos, not stream them.
Recliner
Aug 26, 2013, 3:11:07 PM8/26/13
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <kvfsna$va5$1...@dont-email.me>,
> use.
I thought I started with the free version, which limits you to a single
newsgroup. I liked it enough (and this was a much weaker earlier version)
to pay for the full version.
In any case, it's cheap enough to take a chance -- I've bought other apps
that I've ended up hardly using, whereas I reckon I use NewsTap more than
most of my other apps, apart from the Mercury web browser.
> In article <kvfsna$va5$1...@dont-email.me>,
> James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
>>>> recognizes the name but does not have it?
>>>
>>> But it does have it, so your question is irrelevant.
>>>
>> Huh! Have you tried to down load it from the App Store?
>
> No, because I don't want to spend two bucks for an application I'd never
>
>>>> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
>>>> recognizes the name but does not have it?
>>>
>>> But it does have it, so your question is irrelevant.
>>>
>> Huh! Have you tried to down load it from the App Store?
>
> use.
I thought I started with the free version, which limits you to a single
newsgroup. I liked it enough (and this was a much weaker earlier version)
to pay for the full version.
In any case, it's cheap enough to take a chance -- I've bought other apps
that I've ended up hardly using, whereas I reckon I use NewsTap more than
most of my other apps, apart from the Mercury web browser.
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Recliner
Aug 26, 2013, 4:40:49 PM8/26/13
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> <1951613569399236859.986699...@news.btinternet.com>,
I was talking about NewsTap.
> Recliner <recline...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
>>>>>> recognizes the name but does not have it?
>>>>>
>>>>> But it does have it, so your question is irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>> Huh! Have you tried to down load it from the App Store?
>>>
>>> No, because I don't want to spend two bucks for an application I'd
>>> never use.
>>
>> I thought I started with the free version, which limits you to a single
>> newsgroup.
>
> There is no free version of yrnews, at least not in the US App Store.
>
>>>>>> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
>>>>>> recognizes the name but does not have it?
>>>>>
>>>>> But it does have it, so your question is irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>> Huh! Have you tried to down load it from the App Store?
>>>
>>> No, because I don't want to spend two bucks for an application I'd
>>> never use.
>>
>> I thought I started with the free version, which limits you to a single
>> newsgroup.
>
I was talking about NewsTap.
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nospam
Aug 26, 2013, 5:25:23 PM8/26/13
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In article <michelle-CD8D3F...@news.eternal-september.org>,
yes it was, since the only usenet app that has a paid & free version,
where the free version limits the user to one newsgroup, is newstap.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > >> I thought I started with the free version, which limits you to a
> > >> single newsgroup.
> > >
> > > There is no free version of yrnews, at least not in the US App Store.
> >
> > I was talking about NewsTap.
>
> It was not possible to determine that from the thread.
> > >> I thought I started with the free version, which limits you to a
> > >> single newsgroup.
> > >
> > > There is no free version of yrnews, at least not in the US App Store.
> >
> > I was talking about NewsTap.
>
yes it was, since the only usenet app that has a paid & free version,
where the free version limits the user to one newsgroup, is newstap.
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Recliner
Aug 26, 2013, 7:31:45 PM8/26/13
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <260820131725232862%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
>
I'd already mentioned it no less than three times upthread. One of the nice
things with NewsTap is that it's easy to follow a thread. Perhaps it isn't
in your current news reader?
> In article
> <1682856982399242408.529734...@news.btinternet.com>,
> In article <260820131725232862%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>>> I thought I started with the free version, which limits you to a
>>>>>> single newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no free version of yrnews, at least not in the US App
>>>>> Store.
>>>>
>>>> I was talking about NewsTap.
>>>
>>> It was not possible to determine that from the thread.
>>
>> yes it was, since the only usenet app that has a paid & free version,
>> where the free version limits the user to one newsgroup, is newstap.
>
> What part of the following says anything about Newstap?
>
>>>>>> I thought I started with the free version, which limits you to a
>>>>>> single newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no free version of yrnews, at least not in the US App
>>>>> Store.
>>>>
>>>> I was talking about NewsTap.
>>>
>>> It was not possible to determine that from the thread.
>>
>> yes it was, since the only usenet app that has a paid & free version,
>> where the free version limits the user to one newsgroup, is newstap.
>
>
I'd already mentioned it no less than three times upthread. One of the nice
things with NewsTap is that it's easy to follow a thread. Perhaps it isn't
in your current news reader?
> In article
> <1682856982399242408.529734...@news.btinternet.com>,
> Recliner <recline...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <1951613569399236859.986699...@news.btinternet.c
>
>> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <1951613569399236859.986699...@news.btinternet.c
>>>> ,
>>> Recliner <recline...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
>>>>>>>> recognizes the name but does not have it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it does have it, so your question is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huh! Have you tried to down load it from the App Store?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, because I don't want to spend two bucks for an application I'd
>>>>> never use.
>>>>
>>> Recliner <recline...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
>>>>>>>> recognizes the name but does not have it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it does have it, so your question is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huh! Have you tried to down load it from the App Store?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, because I don't want to spend two bucks for an application I'd
>>>>> never use.
>>>>
Steve Hix
Aug 26, 2013, 7:55:06 PM8/26/13
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In article <kvfsna$va5$1...@dont-email.me>,
Now, not having actually configured and run the app, I don't know if it's worth
the $1.99 yet.
James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 8/26/2013 11:29 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > In article <kvfk08$eir$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
> >> recognizes the name but does not have it?
> >
> > But it does have it, so your question is irrelevant.
> >
> Huh! Have you tried to down load it from the App Store?
I just did. Being over 17, it wasn't difficult.
> On 8/26/2013 11:29 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > In article <kvfk08$eir$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
> >> recognizes the name but does not have it?
> >
> > But it does have it, so your question is irrelevant.
> >
> Huh! Have you tried to down load it from the App Store?
Now, not having actually configured and run the app, I don't know if it's worth
the $1.99 yet.
nospam
Aug 26, 2013, 8:05:36 PM8/26/13
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In article <michelle-5684E4...@news.eternal-september.org>,
limits you to one newsgroup, the only possible thing he could have
meant is newstap.
> In article
> <1682856982399242408.529734...@news.btinternet.com>,
> Recliner <recline...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> What part of the following says anything about Newstap?
obviously he is confusing the two, but when he said free version that
limits you to one newsgroup, the only possible thing he could have
meant is newstap.
> In article
> <1682856982399242408.529734...@news.btinternet.com>,
> Recliner <recline...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <1951613569399236859.986699...@news.btinternet.c
> > > om>,
> > > Recliner <recline...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >>>>>> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
> > >>>>>> recognizes the name but does not have it?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> But it does have it, so your question is irrelevant.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> Huh! Have you tried to down load it from the App Store?
> > >>>
> > >>> No, because I don't want to spend two bucks for an application I'd
> > >>> never use.
> > >>
> > > In article
> > > <1951613569399236859.986699...@news.btinternet.c
> > > om>,
> > > Recliner <recline...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >>>>>> Where do you get yrnews and install it when the iPad Apps Store
> > >>>>>> recognizes the name but does not have it?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> But it does have it, so your question is irrelevant.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> Huh! Have you tried to down load it from the App Store?
> > >>>
> > >>> No, because I don't want to spend two bucks for an application I'd
> > >>> never use.
> > >>
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Recliner
Aug 26, 2013, 8:40:57 PM8/26/13
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> <1056315650399252524.439368...@news.btinternet.com>,
> responding to a series of quotes about yrnews. I am not a mind reader.
You needed to read the thread, not my mind.
> Recliner <recline...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> I thought I started with the free version, which limits you to a
>>>>>>>> single newsgroup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no free version of yrnews, at least not in the US App
>>>>>>> Store.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was talking about NewsTap.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was not possible to determine that from the thread.
>>>>
>>>> yes it was, since the only usenet app that has a paid & free version,
>>>> where the free version limits the user to one newsgroup, is newstap.
>>>
>>> What part of the following says anything about Newstap?
>>>
>> I'd already mentioned it no less than three times upthread. One of the
>> nice things with NewsTap is that it's easy to follow a thread. Perhaps
>> it isn't in your current news reader?
>
> In this part of the thread, there was nothing about newstap, and you were
>
>>>>>>>> I thought I started with the free version, which limits you to a
>>>>>>>> single newsgroup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no free version of yrnews, at least not in the US App
>>>>>>> Store.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was talking about NewsTap.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was not possible to determine that from the thread.
>>>>
>>>> yes it was, since the only usenet app that has a paid & free version,
>>>> where the free version limits the user to one newsgroup, is newstap.
>>>
>>> What part of the following says anything about Newstap?
>>>
>> I'd already mentioned it no less than three times upthread. One of the
>> nice things with NewsTap is that it's easy to follow a thread. Perhaps
>> it isn't in your current news reader?
>
> responding to a series of quotes about yrnews. I am not a mind reader.
You needed to read the thread, not my mind.
nospam
Aug 26, 2013, 8:49:12 PM8/26/13
to
In article <michelle-EB9386...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> plain forgot that he never downloaded a free version of yrnews.
there was never a free version of yrnews (easily confirmed too).
> The point is that we were talking about yrnews, and until afterwards he
> clarified that he had indeed meant newstap. But, from the context of what
> had been written, there was no way to know that.
it was obvious based on what he said.
there's only one app that fits his description, and that app is very
clearly newstap.
but i don't expect you to admit it.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > What part of the following says anything about Newstap?
> >
> > obviously he is confusing the two, but when he said free version that
> > limits you to one newsgroup, the only possible thing he could have meant
> > is newstap.
>
> Or that at one time there was a free version of yrnews, or that he just
> > > What part of the following says anything about Newstap?
> >
> > obviously he is confusing the two, but when he said free version that
> > limits you to one newsgroup, the only possible thing he could have meant
> > is newstap.
>
> plain forgot that he never downloaded a free version of yrnews.
there was never a free version of yrnews (easily confirmed too).
> The point is that we were talking about yrnews, and until afterwards he
> clarified that he had indeed meant newstap. But, from the context of what
> had been written, there was no way to know that.
it was obvious based on what he said.
there's only one app that fits his description, and that app is very
clearly newstap.
but i don't expect you to admit it.
Recliner
Aug 26, 2013, 9:14:31 PM8/26/13
to
indeed a choice, albeit limited, of usenet clients available on the IPad. I
got my iPad 3 a year ago and soon found NewsTap; I tried the Lite version,
found it just about tolerable, so I bought the modestly priced full
version. It's been enhanced since then, and now I'm reasonable happy with
it.
I use the latest version of Forte Agent on my PC, and have, to my surprise,
found that NewsTap is better in some respects: it finds every post (Agent
misses some) and is good at surfacing posts to ancient threads (usually
from clueless Google Groups users). Yes, it has very weak filters, but I
can live with that.
I've not tried it with binary news groups, so can't comment on its
capabilities, if any, with them.
Erilar
Aug 26, 2013, 9:45:16 PM8/26/13
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Erilar
Aug 26, 2013, 9:45:16 PM8/26/13
to
I can download YouTube videos I really want on my laptop and THEN import
them to the iPad.
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MalcolmO
Aug 27, 2013, 10:57:41 AM8/27/13
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> usenet is a pre-Web form of social networking
Well, it _used to be_ the best tech support source imaginable. You could
post the most difficult or complex tech support question and come back
in an hour or so and find your answer and the poster would be very
helpful and so forth. Since the change to an ad-centric Inet and rollout
to a crazy public, it's sadly become mostly a place when people bad
mouth each other. Plus, the ISPs didn't want to be carriers of kiddie
porn so they stopped offering Usenet entirely and then charged you more.
My ISP stopped Usenet and boosted the price. Then they sold our eyeballs
to a different mail provider and boost the price again. Oh, interwebs we
hardly knew you.
--
Malcolm
Well, it _used to be_ the best tech support source imaginable. You could
post the most difficult or complex tech support question and come back
in an hour or so and find your answer and the poster would be very
helpful and so forth. Since the change to an ad-centric Inet and rollout
to a crazy public, it's sadly become mostly a place when people bad
mouth each other. Plus, the ISPs didn't want to be carriers of kiddie
porn so they stopped offering Usenet entirely and then charged you more.
My ISP stopped Usenet and boosted the price. Then they sold our eyeballs
to a different mail provider and boost the price again. Oh, interwebs we
hardly knew you.
--
Malcolm
MalcolmO
Aug 27, 2013, 5:11:21 PM8/27/13
to
> this does seem to work
As info, didn't work for me on iPod Touch.
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Malcolm
Brian
Aug 27, 2013, 8:47:26 PM8/27/13
to
on what the topic of discussion is. One example is the Doctor Who
newsgroup. However a lot of past newsgroups died after forums became more
popular. Also not all internet providers support newsgroups.
--
Regards Brian
Brian
Aug 27, 2013, 8:47:28 PM8/27/13
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downloading "YouTube" videos but it's only for Android devices.
--
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Brian
Aug 27, 2013, 9:12:07 PM8/27/13
to
Bob <rgs...@notme.invalid> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
>
> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
>
> Would be nice to go to all of these groups on the iPad, rather than
> having to do it via Thunderbird on my desktop PC.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
I like the tree feature in NewsTap it gives me a way of finding all the
> Hi,
>
> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
>
> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
>
> Would be nice to go to all of these groups on the iPad, rather than
> having to do it via Thunderbird on my desktop PC.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
people that have replied to my post.
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Recliner
Aug 27, 2013, 9:51:15 PM8/27/13
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<ade...@inbox.com> wrote:
> Where is NewsTap's tree feature hidden? I do not seem to see it.
It's not exactly hidden: it's the central button at the top of the screen.
It's not exactly hidden: it's the central button at the top of the screen.
Brian
Aug 28, 2013, 2:25:15 AM8/28/13
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <842789373399190356.6...@free.teranews.com>,
>>
>> Its the only one that Apple will allow.
>
> Where did you get that idea?
>
>> Apple has control on what apps are available for the iPod.
>
> True, but not relevant to this discussion unless you can demonstrate that
> Apple is not allowing any other usenet readers for iOS devices.
There is the app Phonenzb that is used for Usenet files which Apple will
not allow. So to you it you need to jail break the iPad.
Reference
http://usenetreviewz.com/phonenzb-allows-you-to-download-usenet-files-to-your-ipad-or-iphone/
--
Regards Brian
> In article <842789373399190356.6...@free.teranews.com>,
>>> In article <kvd8as$44h$1...@dont-email.me>, Bob <rgs...@notme.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
>>>
>>> You looked, you found. That's it.
>>>
>>>> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
>>>
>>
>> Its the only one that Apple will allow.
>
> Where did you get that idea?
>
>> Apple has control on what apps are available for the iPod.
>
> True, but not relevant to this discussion unless you can demonstrate that
> Apple is not allowing any other usenet readers for iOS devices.
There is the app Phonenzb that is used for Usenet files which Apple will
not allow. So to you it you need to jail break the iPad.
Reference
http://usenetreviewz.com/phonenzb-allows-you-to-download-usenet-files-to-your-ipad-or-iphone/
--
Regards Brian
Brian
Aug 28, 2013, 2:25:17 AM8/28/13
to
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <842789373399190356.6...@free.teranews.com>
Or to put it another way...it seems to me that its the only one Apple will
allow.
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Regards Brian
> In message <842789373399190356.6...@free.teranews.com>
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>>> In article <kvd8as$44h$1...@dont-email.me>, Bob <rgs...@notme.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
>>>
>>> You looked, you found. That's it.
>
>> Its the only one that Apple will allow.
>
> Stop making shit up.
>> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>>> In article <kvd8as$44h$1...@dont-email.me>, Bob <rgs...@notme.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
>>>
>>> You looked, you found. That's it.
>
>> Its the only one that Apple will allow.
>
Or to put it another way...it seems to me that its the only one Apple will
allow.
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Brian
Aug 28, 2013, 2:25:18 AM8/28/13
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> Where is NewsTap's tree feature hidden? I do not seem to see it.
It's a button thats located on the right of the button you press to reply
to a post.
--
Regards Brian
nospam
Aug 28, 2013, 3:25:31 AM8/28/13
to
In article
<884308967399363764.4...@free.teranews.com>, Brian
some vague claim.
there are several nzb apps on the store right now, most of which work
with sabnzbd+ on a computer. there are also a *lot* of file downloader
apps too, and some of those might support nzb.
downloading binaries, especially from usenet, is not a high demand
thing to do on an ipad because the downloaded binaries will quickly
fill an ipad.
<884308967399363764.4...@free.teranews.com>, Brian
<bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> >> Apple has control on what apps are available for the iPod.
> >
> > True, but not relevant to this discussion unless you can demonstrate that
> > Apple is not allowing any other usenet readers for iOS devices.
>
> There is the app Phonenzb that is used for Usenet files which Apple will
> not allow. So to you it you need to jail break the iPad.
>
> Reference
> http://usenetreviewz.com/phonenzb-allows-you-to-download-usenet-files-to-your-ipad-or-iphone/
that doesn't say what it's doing that apple won't allow. it just makes
> >> Apple has control on what apps are available for the iPod.
> >
> > True, but not relevant to this discussion unless you can demonstrate that
> > Apple is not allowing any other usenet readers for iOS devices.
>
> There is the app Phonenzb that is used for Usenet files which Apple will
> not allow. So to you it you need to jail break the iPad.
>
> Reference
> http://usenetreviewz.com/phonenzb-allows-you-to-download-usenet-files-to-your-ipad-or-iphone/
some vague claim.
there are several nzb apps on the store right now, most of which work
with sabnzbd+ on a computer. there are also a *lot* of file downloader
apps too, and some of those might support nzb.
downloading binaries, especially from usenet, is not a high demand
thing to do on an ipad because the downloaded binaries will quickly
fill an ipad.
nospam
Aug 28, 2013, 3:25:32 AM8/28/13
to
In article
<1514034160399363181....@free.teranews.com>, Brian
anything.
the real issue is very few people are writing usenet apps because
there's almost no demand for them.
<1514034160399363181....@free.teranews.com>, Brian
<bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> Or to put it another way...it seems to me that its the only one Apple will
> allow.
there's more than just one, so obviously they are not restricting
> Or to put it another way...it seems to me that its the only one Apple will
> allow.
anything.
the real issue is very few people are writing usenet apps because
there's almost no demand for them.
Brian
Aug 28, 2013, 6:01:11 AM8/28/13
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you get to know people a certain newsgroup after a while.
Out of interest are you the same "nospam" person that also appears in the
Doctor Who newsgroup?
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nospam
Aug 28, 2013, 6:07:52 AM8/28/13
to
In article
<1919777196399376689....@free.teranews.com>, Brian
<1919777196399376689....@free.teranews.com>, Brian
<bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> Out of interest are you the same "nospam" person that also appears in the
> Doctor Who newsgroup?
no.
> Out of interest are you the same "nospam" person that also appears in the
> Doctor Who newsgroup?
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Erilar
Aug 28, 2013, 1:47:36 PM8/28/13
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for another function entirely.
Erilar
Aug 28, 2013, 1:47:38 PM8/28/13
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> Where is NewsTap's tree feature hidden? I do not seem to see it.
Right next to the "reply" arrow. DUH!
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Brian
Aug 29, 2013, 2:16:42 AM8/29/13
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Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <1514034160399363181....@free.teranews.com>
> Stop making shit up.
Are you disagreeing that Apple does not allow some apps?
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Regards Brian
> In message <1514034160399363181....@free.teranews.com>
Are you disagreeing that Apple does not allow some apps?
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Regards Brian
Brian
Aug 29, 2013, 2:16:43 AM8/29/13
to
the middle of the screen near the top you can resize the screens by sliding
your finger.
--
Regards Brian
Brian
Aug 29, 2013, 2:16:44 AM8/29/13
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <884308967399363764.4...@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
> In article <884308967399363764.4...@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> There is the app Phonenzb that is used for Usenet files which Apple will
>> not allow.
>
> Do you know whether the authors ever submitted the app to Apple?
>> not allow.
>
I don't have the information but it does suggest that it was submitted as
it states that Apple did not allow it.
--
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nospam
Aug 29, 2013, 7:07:33 AM8/29/13
to
In article
<2008707177399449611....@free.teranews.com>, Brian
the reality is that nobody is *writing* usenet apps in the first place
for them to even consider. there's very, very little demand for such
apps.
<2008707177399449611....@free.teranews.com>, Brian
<bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You looked, you found. That's it.
> >>>
> >>>> Its the only one that Apple will allow.
> >>>
> >>> Stop making shit up.
> >
> >> Or to put it another way...it seems to me that its the only one Apple will
> >> allow.
> >
> > Stop making shit up.
>
> Are you disagreeing that Apple does not allow some apps?
there is *no* evidence they are banning usenet apps.
> >>>>>> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You looked, you found. That's it.
> >>>
> >>>> Its the only one that Apple will allow.
> >>>
> >>> Stop making shit up.
> >
> >> Or to put it another way...it seems to me that its the only one Apple will
> >> allow.
> >
> > Stop making shit up.
>
> Are you disagreeing that Apple does not allow some apps?
the reality is that nobody is *writing* usenet apps in the first place
for them to even consider. there's very, very little demand for such
apps.
nospam
Aug 29, 2013, 7:07:35 AM8/29/13
to
In article <15955016399449050.0...@free.teranews.com>,
which is true.
however, it doesn't say what the app is actually doing that requires
jailbreaking.
from the description it sounds like the downloading is done in the
background. *that* would disqualify it, not the fact that it's usenet.
if that's the case, they have two options. one is download the files
while the app is active and the other is wait for ios 7 which supports
background downloading.
Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> >> There is the app Phonenzb that is used for Usenet files which Apple will
> >> not allow.
> >
> > Do you know whether the authors ever submitted the app to Apple?
>
> I don't have the information but it does suggest that it was submitted as
> it states that Apple did not allow it.
what it said was that some things can't be done without jailbreaking,
> >> There is the app Phonenzb that is used for Usenet files which Apple will
> >> not allow.
> >
> > Do you know whether the authors ever submitted the app to Apple?
>
> I don't have the information but it does suggest that it was submitted as
> it states that Apple did not allow it.
which is true.
however, it doesn't say what the app is actually doing that requires
jailbreaking.
from the description it sounds like the downloading is done in the
background. *that* would disqualify it, not the fact that it's usenet.
if that's the case, they have two options. one is download the files
while the app is active and the other is wait for ios 7 which supports
background downloading.
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nospam
Aug 29, 2013, 5:31:28 PM8/29/13
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In article <michelle-813F9B...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> It doesn't say it here:
> <http://moreinfo.thebigboss.org/moreinfo/depiction.php?file=phonenzbDp>
it wasn't submitted because it was written in a way that would have
been immediately rejected.
based on its description, it runs in the background, can launch other
apps (presumably without the user doing it) and they put the downloaded
files outside the app sandbox.
they could have written it to use the official api and not do those
things (and in ios7 it can download in the background legitimately),
but they didn't.
it has nothing to do with usenet downloading.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > I don't have the information but it does suggest that it was submitted as
> > it states that Apple did not allow it.
>
> where does it state that?
> > I don't have the information but it does suggest that it was submitted as
> > it states that Apple did not allow it.
>
>
> It doesn't say it here:
> <http://moreinfo.thebigboss.org/moreinfo/depiction.php?file=phonenzbDp>
it wasn't submitted because it was written in a way that would have
been immediately rejected.
based on its description, it runs in the background, can launch other
apps (presumably without the user doing it) and they put the downloaded
files outside the app sandbox.
they could have written it to use the official api and not do those
things (and in ios7 it can download in the background legitimately),
but they didn't.
it has nothing to do with usenet downloading.
James Leo Ryan
Aug 29, 2013, 11:00:38 PM8/29/13
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Bob <rgs...@notme.invalid> wrote:
> Hi,
just installed it and my initial reactions are quite favorable.
--
James Leo Ryan
> Hi,
>
> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
>
> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
>
> I looked, but could only find one, and that had a pretty poor review.
>
> Anyone know of any "good" Usenet readers for the iPad ?
>
> Would be nice to go to all of these groups on the iPad, rather than
> having to do it via Thunderbird on my desktop PC.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
I assume that NewsTap is the one with the "pretty poor review", but I have
> having to do it via Thunderbird on my desktop PC.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
just installed it and my initial reactions are quite favorable.
--
James Leo Ryan
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Recliner
Aug 30, 2013, 6:03:59 AM8/30/13
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Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <429196431399500681.403...@News.Individual.NET>
> It doesn’t understand cross-posted articles, so you have to read them
> new in every group.
I think it now does handle cross-posted articles properly.
> It is absolutely horrible to try to sync a newsrc
> between it and a computer (though it does seem to have sorted out
> syncing within iOS). As I recall, but it's been awhile, it doesn't
> suport collapsing quote levels, its filtering options are extremely
> limited, and... I know there was something else that I found really
> annoying.
Filtering is still a confusing mess, but it does now support collapsing
quote levels.
> In message <429196431399500681.403...@News.Individual.NET>
> new in every group.
I think it now does handle cross-posted articles properly.
> It is absolutely horrible to try to sync a newsrc
> between it and a computer (though it does seem to have sorted out
> syncing within iOS). As I recall, but it's been awhile, it doesn't
> suport collapsing quote levels, its filtering options are extremely
> limited, and... I know there was something else that I found really
> annoying.
Filtering is still a confusing mess, but it does now support collapsing
quote levels.
Brian
Aug 30, 2013, 9:14:00 AM8/30/13
to
James Leo Ryan <talies...@me.com> wrote:
--
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Brian
Aug 30, 2013, 9:21:45 AM8/30/13
to
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <15955016399449050.0...@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
> In article <15955016399449050.0...@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> I don't have the information but it does suggest that it was submitted as
>> it states that Apple did not allow it.
>
>> it states that Apple did not allow it.
>
> where does it state that?
>
> It doesn't say it here:
> <http://moreinfo.thebigboss.org/moreinfo/depiction.php?file=phonenzbDp>
>
> And it doesn't say it here:
>
> It doesn't say it here:
> <http://moreinfo.thebigboss.org/moreinfo/depiction.php?file=phonenzbDp>
>
> <http://phonenzb.blogspot.com>
>
> Furthermore, the app works only with NZB sources to download messages; it
> is not a general-purpose newsreader. It appears to me to have been
> designed to download binary files posted to usenet.
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZB>
> NZB is an XML-based file format for retrieving posts from NNTP (Usenet)
> servers. The format was conceived by the developers of the Newzbin.com
> Usenet Index. NZB is effective when used with search-capable websites.
> These websites create NZB files out of what is needed to be downloaded.
> Using this concept, headers would not be downloaded hence the NZB method is
> quicker and more bandwidth-efficient than traditional methods.
>
> Each Usenet message has a unique identifier called the "Message-ID". When a
> large file is posted to a Usenet newsgroup, it is usually divided into
> multiple messages (called segments or parts) each having its own
> Message-ID. An nzb-capable Usenet client will read all needed Message-IDs
> from the NZB file, download them and decode the messages back into a binary
> file (usually using yEnc or Uuencode).
It says this at the site address.
You have to jailbreak your iPad or iPhone to install this app. Apple
currently does not allow users full control of their devices
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Recliner
Aug 30, 2013, 11:19:33 AM8/30/13
to
> <616217823399549723.335320...@news.btinternet.com>,
> it's still marked unread in the other newsgroups. also, you can't
> crosspost either new articles or replies to articles.
Yes you can -- I now do it regularly. Do you have the current version?
This feature was added a few months ago.
> Recliner <recline...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> I assume that NewsTap is the one with the "pretty poor review", but I have
>>>> just installed it and my initial reactions are quite favorable.
>>>
>>> It doesn’t understand cross-posted articles, so you have to read them
>>> new in every group.
>>
>> I think it now does handle cross-posted articles properly.
>
> Nope, it doesn't. If you read a cross-posted article in one newsgroup,
>
>>>> I assume that NewsTap is the one with the "pretty poor review", but I have
>>>> just installed it and my initial reactions are quite favorable.
>>>
>>> It doesn’t understand cross-posted articles, so you have to read them
>>> new in every group.
>>
>> I think it now does handle cross-posted articles properly.
>
> it's still marked unread in the other newsgroups. also, you can't
> crosspost either new articles or replies to articles.
Yes you can -- I now do it regularly. Do you have the current version?
This feature was added a few months ago.
Brian
Aug 30, 2013, 11:22:39 AM8/30/13
to
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <632699135399561479.0...@free.teranews.com>,
> Apple doesn't want usenet readers other than Newstap on iOS devices.
Fair enough.
I just found it hard to believe that there are a lack of usenet readers. At
least we have Newstap.
--
Regards Brian
> In article <632699135399561479.0...@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> You have to jailbreak your iPad or iPhone to install this app. Apple
>> currently does not allow users full control of their devices
>
> No one is denying that. What we're challenging is your allegation that
>
>> You have to jailbreak your iPad or iPhone to install this app. Apple
>> currently does not allow users full control of their devices
>
> Apple doesn't want usenet readers other than Newstap on iOS devices.
Fair enough.
I just found it hard to believe that there are a lack of usenet readers. At
least we have Newstap.
--
Regards Brian
Brian
Aug 30, 2013, 11:30:03 AM8/30/13
to
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <632699135399561479.0...@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
> In article <632699135399561479.0...@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> You have to jailbreak your iPad or iPhone to install this app. Apple
>> currently does not allow users full control of their devices
>
>> currently does not allow users full control of their devices
>
> No one is denying that. What we're challenging is your allegation that
> Apple doesn't want usenet readers other than Newstap on iOS devices.
I counted 23 Usenet Readers for Android devices which makes me wonder why
> Apple doesn't want usenet readers other than Newstap on iOS devices.
Apple is lacking in Usenet readers.
Is there a site where I can read the rules on what types of apps that Apple
does not allow?
--
Regards Brian
Erilar
Aug 30, 2013, 11:56:09 AM8/30/13
to
>>>> I assume that NewsTap is the one with the "pretty poor review", but I have
>>>> just installed it and my initial reactions are quite favorable.
>>>
>>> It doesn’t understand cross-posted articles, so you have to read them
>>> new in every group.
>>
>> I think it now does handle cross-posted articles properly.
>
>>>> just installed it and my initial reactions are quite favorable.
>>>
>>> It doesn’t understand cross-posted articles, so you have to read them
>>> new in every group.
>>
>> I think it now does handle cross-posted articles properly.
>
> Nope, it doesn't. If you read a cross-posted article in one newsgroup,
> it's still marked unread in the other newsgroups. also, you can't
> crosspost either new articles or replies to articles.
I thought I had posted to more than one group at least once. Anyway, I
> it's still marked unread in the other newsgroups. also, you can't
> crosspost either new articles or replies to articles.
don't like my replies crossposted to all kinds of groups I have no interest
in.
Erilar
Aug 30, 2013, 11:56:11 AM8/30/13
to
James Leo Ryan <talies...@me.com> wrote:
on my computer, but this is an iPad.
Recliner
Aug 30, 2013, 11:58:36 AM8/30/13
to
threads and replies. It actually does it better than Forte Agent.
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nospam
Aug 30, 2013, 5:31:05 PM8/30/13
to
> You have to jailbreak your iPad or iPhone to install this app. Apple
> currently does not allow users full control of their devices
>
> Reference
> http://usenetreviewz.com/phonenzb-allows-you-to-download-usenet-files-to-your-ipad-or-iphone/
that doesn't say apple is rejecting usenet apps.
> currently does not allow users full control of their devices
>
> Reference
> http://usenetreviewz.com/phonenzb-allows-you-to-download-usenet-files-to-your-ipad-or-iphone/
based on the app's description, it does three things that are not
allowed (possibly more), including background downloading.
it has absolutely nothing to do with usenet.
as i said, background downloading is a new feature of ios 7 so they
could potentially rewrite it to use official apis and submit it and
probably would get approved. however, the demand is very small so they
aren't likely to bother.
nospam
Aug 30, 2013, 5:31:07 PM8/30/13
to
In article
<971420217399569221.8...@free.teranews.com>, Brian
on numerous other sites too.
<971420217399569221.8...@free.teranews.com>, Brian
<bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> Is there a site where I can read the rules on what types of apps that Apple
> does not allow?
the guidelines are at the apple developer site and probably discussed
> Is there a site where I can read the rules on what types of apps that Apple
> does not allow?
on numerous other sites too.
nospam
Aug 30, 2013, 5:31:10 PM8/30/13
to
In article <michelle-86EF9C...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> And from
> <http://www.icenium.com/blog/icenium-team-blog/2013/05/14/ios-app-store-appr
> oval-tips-and-tricks>
>
> Top Ten (or so) Reasons for iOS App Store Rejection
>
> Rejection is hard, and it's even harder not to take it personally. Remember
> asking Susie out to prom in High School? You were a Freshman and she was a
> Senior? Yeah, that didn't work out so well. I feel your pain buddy. And
> while I can't help out the awkward 14 year old in you, I can provide some
> guidance on what to avoid when writing an app for iOS. Some of these points
> are broad, others more specific, most may even be considered common sense,
> but my best advice is to use this as a quick checklist while you are
> gathering requirements and planning your app development strategy.
some are just flat out wrong.
> 1. Don't copy the functionality of an existing app. We are all standing
> on the shoulders of giants to a certain extent, so it's ok to take an idea
> and improve upon it. However, if you copy an app verbatim, you will most
> likely find yourself going to prom alone, er, I mean getting rejected by
> Apple.
except when they don't reject. there are quite a few clone apps which
last until the original app developer notices and requests a takedown.
if you clone something popular, apple might notice, but if it's a less
common app, the reviewer might not know about the original among the 1
million apps.
> 2. Make your app relevant and useful to a relatively broad population.
> Apple will not approve an app that is targeted to a very specific or
> limited audience. For example, if you develop an app that is ONLY meant to
> be used by your local pickup basketball team, you're gonna have a bad time.
there are apps that are targeted to specific niches, including
requiring specific hardware for the app to even function.
> 3. If you are taking in-app payments, please don't try to take someone's
> money without using Apple's In-App purchasing API. This is a guaranteed
> rejection. And yes, there's a Cordova plugin for that.
you can't take the payments outside the app store but you can have them
subscribe or pay for it elsewhere, which is reflected in your account
when you log into it (or some other method).
> 4. Apple tends to make really pretty images and icons, don't they? Well,
> don't get tempted to use them. While you might think Apple would be
> flattered by this, they most definitely are not, and will reject you if you
> copy icons that are not meant to be re-used in an app.
that's obvious although apple gets to do it themselves, such as with
the swiss railways and clock icon they stole.
> 5. Be a miser when it comes to downloading data within your app. Keep in
> mind that many of your users are on limited cellular data plans and won't
> appreciate the fact that you are downloading 5MB of data every time you
> open the app. There are no specific guidelines from Apple, but you should
> be safe if you keep your downloads to a minimum.
that won't get a rejection, it will just piss off users.
> 6. Don't rely on an always-connected device. If your app crashes or
> otherwise doesn't function because it doesn't have a network connection, it
> probably won't get approved.
that's common sense, and apple mentions apps should check and that
conditions can change at any time.
> 7. It can be tempting to tease with a "beta" or "demo" version of an
> app. Apple forbids these types of apps, so it is best to stay away from
> using this kind of title in your app description.
you can't call it 'beta' or 'demo', you just have to call it something
else.
there are plenty of apps that have two versions, one which is 'lite'
and usually free, while the main version has full functionality and
costs money. that's for all intents, a demo. you just can't use the
word demo. it's very stupid.
another way is adopt the freemium model where you get basic
functionality for free (i.e., the demo) and must pay to unlock
everything else. a lot of games do this, where you get a couple of
levels and that's it, until you buy more levels.
> 8. If your app takes longer than 10 seconds to initially load, it won't
> get approved. And yes, this is a good sign that you are probably doing
> something wrong anyway!
also wrong. i've launched apps that take a while to start up and much
longer than 10 seconds. tetris blitz takes 40 seconds until you get to
the point where you can play (tested just now on an iphone 4), with the
initial splash screen lasting more than 10 seconds.
> 9. Don't abuse the iOS file system. Since iOS 5.1, Apple doesn't allow
> apps to save data to the device that normally gets backed up by iCloud
> (without the user's permission). Instead, save this data to the device's
> cache. You can use Local Storage (which uses the cache), but just be aware
> that anything saved here may be overwritten.
>
> 10. I can't stress this enough: don't violate the Human Interface
> Guidelines! Apple has very specific directions on the sizes and locations
> of buttons/icons/navigation bars/etc. Violate these by a few pixels and you
> may find yourself in rejection land. (However, if you use Kendo UI Mobile a
> good portion of this has been taken care of for you!)
nonsense. there are a *lot* of apps that have horrible user interfaces,
some with tiny buttons (including apple) or they recreate apple's ui
elements but don't do as good of a job. this tends to happen with
cross-platform ios/android apps.
> 11. Avoid downloading external scripts. There is A LOT of confusion
> out there regarding the concept of downloading content/scripts within your
> app at runtime. Apple's own guidelines state, "Apps that download code in
> any way or form will be rejected". This is unfortunately vague, as one
> could interpret that as being HTML/CSS and JavaScript as well. My advice is
> to stay away from downloading/executing JavaScript in your app - I would
> definitely avoid CDNs especially as your app will be more performant
> keeping everything on the file system.
there are apps that can download code now. it's limited but not
entirely forbidden.
> 12. Keep the size of your app (the final .ipa file) down to a
> manageable size, most likely under 50MB. If you have multiple image assets,
> consider utilizing lossy compression on your JPEGs and PNGs.
that's definitely *not* a reason for rejection. there are a number of
apps that are 1 gig in size or more, notably gps navigation apps and
some graphic intensive games.
if an app has to be big, then it has to be big.
> 13. Don't go crazy with the vibration function. Vibrations should ONLY
> be used for alerts. You will annoy your users, but more importantly, your
> users won't see your app in the first place if you abuse this privilege.
>
> 14. Maybe most important of all, though, is that an app is an app
> because it can't be a mobile web site. I know, I hear you! But Apple cares
> about this and as hybrid mobile app developers you have to be very aware of
> this too, since you ARE developing with the HTML5 stack. If it looks and
> feels like a web site, it probably won't pass the review.
facebook did.
> Also remember that you are dealing with real people who sometimes make real
> mistakes. Case in point: I previously submitted an app that was rejected
> for storing data in an inappropriate location (specifically, they thought
> we were storing data in a place that normally gets backed up in iCloud). I
> had to inform my reviewer that they were incorrect, that we were in fact
> storing the data appropriately (supported with documentation of course).
> They then promptly approved the app!
one of the more amusing rejections was that apple said you can't use
the coverflow apis for some silly reason.
because of that, a developer wrote his own version of coverflow for his
app. the app was rejected because it used coverflow.
he wrote back and said he wasn't using *apple's* coverflow, he was
using *his own* coverflow. it was later approved.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> And from
> <http://www.icenium.com/blog/icenium-team-blog/2013/05/14/ios-app-store-appr
> oval-tips-and-tricks>
>
> Top Ten (or so) Reasons for iOS App Store Rejection
>
> Rejection is hard, and it's even harder not to take it personally. Remember
> asking Susie out to prom in High School? You were a Freshman and she was a
> Senior? Yeah, that didn't work out so well. I feel your pain buddy. And
> while I can't help out the awkward 14 year old in you, I can provide some
> guidance on what to avoid when writing an app for iOS. Some of these points
> are broad, others more specific, most may even be considered common sense,
> but my best advice is to use this as a quick checklist while you are
> gathering requirements and planning your app development strategy.
some are just flat out wrong.
> 1. Don't copy the functionality of an existing app. We are all standing
> on the shoulders of giants to a certain extent, so it's ok to take an idea
> and improve upon it. However, if you copy an app verbatim, you will most
> likely find yourself going to prom alone, er, I mean getting rejected by
> Apple.
except when they don't reject. there are quite a few clone apps which
last until the original app developer notices and requests a takedown.
if you clone something popular, apple might notice, but if it's a less
common app, the reviewer might not know about the original among the 1
million apps.
> 2. Make your app relevant and useful to a relatively broad population.
> Apple will not approve an app that is targeted to a very specific or
> limited audience. For example, if you develop an app that is ONLY meant to
> be used by your local pickup basketball team, you're gonna have a bad time.
there are apps that are targeted to specific niches, including
requiring specific hardware for the app to even function.
> 3. If you are taking in-app payments, please don't try to take someone's
> money without using Apple's In-App purchasing API. This is a guaranteed
> rejection. And yes, there's a Cordova plugin for that.
you can't take the payments outside the app store but you can have them
subscribe or pay for it elsewhere, which is reflected in your account
when you log into it (or some other method).
> 4. Apple tends to make really pretty images and icons, don't they? Well,
> don't get tempted to use them. While you might think Apple would be
> flattered by this, they most definitely are not, and will reject you if you
> copy icons that are not meant to be re-used in an app.
that's obvious although apple gets to do it themselves, such as with
the swiss railways and clock icon they stole.
> 5. Be a miser when it comes to downloading data within your app. Keep in
> mind that many of your users are on limited cellular data plans and won't
> appreciate the fact that you are downloading 5MB of data every time you
> open the app. There are no specific guidelines from Apple, but you should
> be safe if you keep your downloads to a minimum.
that won't get a rejection, it will just piss off users.
> 6. Don't rely on an always-connected device. If your app crashes or
> otherwise doesn't function because it doesn't have a network connection, it
> probably won't get approved.
that's common sense, and apple mentions apps should check and that
conditions can change at any time.
> 7. It can be tempting to tease with a "beta" or "demo" version of an
> app. Apple forbids these types of apps, so it is best to stay away from
> using this kind of title in your app description.
you can't call it 'beta' or 'demo', you just have to call it something
else.
there are plenty of apps that have two versions, one which is 'lite'
and usually free, while the main version has full functionality and
costs money. that's for all intents, a demo. you just can't use the
word demo. it's very stupid.
another way is adopt the freemium model where you get basic
functionality for free (i.e., the demo) and must pay to unlock
everything else. a lot of games do this, where you get a couple of
levels and that's it, until you buy more levels.
> 8. If your app takes longer than 10 seconds to initially load, it won't
> get approved. And yes, this is a good sign that you are probably doing
> something wrong anyway!
also wrong. i've launched apps that take a while to start up and much
longer than 10 seconds. tetris blitz takes 40 seconds until you get to
the point where you can play (tested just now on an iphone 4), with the
initial splash screen lasting more than 10 seconds.
> 9. Don't abuse the iOS file system. Since iOS 5.1, Apple doesn't allow
> apps to save data to the device that normally gets backed up by iCloud
> (without the user's permission). Instead, save this data to the device's
> cache. You can use Local Storage (which uses the cache), but just be aware
> that anything saved here may be overwritten.
>
> 10. I can't stress this enough: don't violate the Human Interface
> Guidelines! Apple has very specific directions on the sizes and locations
> of buttons/icons/navigation bars/etc. Violate these by a few pixels and you
> may find yourself in rejection land. (However, if you use Kendo UI Mobile a
> good portion of this has been taken care of for you!)
nonsense. there are a *lot* of apps that have horrible user interfaces,
some with tiny buttons (including apple) or they recreate apple's ui
elements but don't do as good of a job. this tends to happen with
cross-platform ios/android apps.
> 11. Avoid downloading external scripts. There is A LOT of confusion
> out there regarding the concept of downloading content/scripts within your
> app at runtime. Apple's own guidelines state, "Apps that download code in
> any way or form will be rejected". This is unfortunately vague, as one
> could interpret that as being HTML/CSS and JavaScript as well. My advice is
> to stay away from downloading/executing JavaScript in your app - I would
> definitely avoid CDNs especially as your app will be more performant
> keeping everything on the file system.
there are apps that can download code now. it's limited but not
entirely forbidden.
> 12. Keep the size of your app (the final .ipa file) down to a
> manageable size, most likely under 50MB. If you have multiple image assets,
> consider utilizing lossy compression on your JPEGs and PNGs.
that's definitely *not* a reason for rejection. there are a number of
apps that are 1 gig in size or more, notably gps navigation apps and
some graphic intensive games.
if an app has to be big, then it has to be big.
> 13. Don't go crazy with the vibration function. Vibrations should ONLY
> be used for alerts. You will annoy your users, but more importantly, your
> users won't see your app in the first place if you abuse this privilege.
>
> 14. Maybe most important of all, though, is that an app is an app
> because it can't be a mobile web site. I know, I hear you! But Apple cares
> about this and as hybrid mobile app developers you have to be very aware of
> this too, since you ARE developing with the HTML5 stack. If it looks and
> feels like a web site, it probably won't pass the review.
facebook did.
> Also remember that you are dealing with real people who sometimes make real
> mistakes. Case in point: I previously submitted an app that was rejected
> for storing data in an inappropriate location (specifically, they thought
> we were storing data in a place that normally gets backed up in iCloud). I
> had to inform my reviewer that they were incorrect, that we were in fact
> storing the data appropriately (supported with documentation of course).
> They then promptly approved the app!
one of the more amusing rejections was that apple said you can't use
the coverflow apis for some silly reason.
because of that, a developer wrote his own version of coverflow for his
app. the app was rejected because it used coverflow.
he wrote back and said he wasn't using *apple's* coverflow, he was
using *his own* coverflow. it was later approved.
Erilar
Aug 30, 2013, 8:26:46 PM8/30/13
to
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <kvqfap$bd3$1...@dont-email.me>,
> choose which newsgroups to direct the replies.
I can delete the crazies here, but it's easier on my laptop. I REALLY
don't like cross-posting to them, as I sometimes do with MTNW on my laptop.
The lack of it on NewsTap was one of my favorite features.
> In article <kvqfap$bd3$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>
>>> Nope, it doesn't. If you read a cross-posted article in one
>>> newsgroup, it's still marked unread in the other newsgroups. also,
>>> you can't crosspost either new articles or replies to articles.
>>
>> I thought I had posted to more than one group at least once. Anyway, I
>> don't like my replies crossposted to all kinds of groups I have no
>> interest in.
>
> Properly written newsreaders that let you crosspost replies allow you to
>
>>> Nope, it doesn't. If you read a cross-posted article in one
>>> newsgroup, it's still marked unread in the other newsgroups. also,
>>> you can't crosspost either new articles or replies to articles.
>>
>> I thought I had posted to more than one group at least once. Anyway, I
>> don't like my replies crossposted to all kinds of groups I have no
>> interest in.
>
> choose which newsgroups to direct the replies.
I can delete the crazies here, but it's easier on my laptop. I REALLY
don't like cross-posting to them, as I sometimes do with MTNW on my laptop.
The lack of it on NewsTap was one of my favorite features.
Brian
Aug 30, 2013, 9:16:33 PM8/30/13
to
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <971420217399569221.8...@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
> In article <971420217399569221.8...@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Is there a site where I can read the rules on what types of apps that
>> Apple does not allow?
>
> There are a lot of them; the most definitive is, of course, on Apple's
>> Apple does not allow?
>
> developer site; however, you have to have a paid developer account to
> access that page. Here are a few of the others.
>
> <http://www.cultofmac.com/58590/heres-the-full-text-of-apples-new-app-store-
> guidelines/>
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_of_iOS_apps>
>
> And from
> <http://www.icenium.com/blog/icenium-team-blog/2013/05/14/ios-app-store-appr
> oval-tips-and-tricks>
>
> Top Ten (or so) Reasons for iOS App Store Rejection
>
> Rejection is hard, and it's even harder not to take it personally. Remember
> asking Susie out to prom in High School? You were a Freshman and she was a
> Senior? Yeah, that didn't work out so well. I feel your pain buddy. And
> while I can't help out the awkward 14 year old in you, I can provide some
> guidance on what to avoid when writing an app for iOS. Some of these points
> are broad, others more specific, most may even be considered common sense,
> but my best advice is to use this as a quick checklist while you are
> gathering requirements and planning your app development strategy.
>
> And from
> <http://www.icenium.com/blog/icenium-team-blog/2013/05/14/ios-app-store-appr
> oval-tips-and-tricks>
>
> Top Ten (or so) Reasons for iOS App Store Rejection
>
> Rejection is hard, and it's even harder not to take it personally. Remember
> asking Susie out to prom in High School? You were a Freshman and she was a
> Senior? Yeah, that didn't work out so well. I feel your pain buddy. And
> while I can't help out the awkward 14 year old in you, I can provide some
> guidance on what to avoid when writing an app for iOS. Some of these points
> are broad, others more specific, most may even be considered common sense,
> but my best advice is to use this as a quick checklist while you are
> gathering requirements and planning your app development strategy.
>
> 1. Don't copy the functionality of an existing app. We are all standing
> on the shoulders of giants to a certain extent, so it's ok to take an idea
> and improve upon it. However, if you copy an app verbatim, you will most
> likely find yourself going to prom alone, er, I mean getting rejected by
> Apple.
>
> on the shoulders of giants to a certain extent, so it's ok to take an idea
> and improve upon it. However, if you copy an app verbatim, you will most
> likely find yourself going to prom alone, er, I mean getting rejected by
> Apple.
>
> 2. Make your app relevant and useful to a relatively broad population.
> Apple will not approve an app that is targeted to a very specific or
> limited audience. For example, if you develop an app that is ONLY meant to
> be used by your local pickup basketball team, you're gonna have a bad time.
>
> Apple will not approve an app that is targeted to a very specific or
> limited audience. For example, if you develop an app that is ONLY meant to
> be used by your local pickup basketball team, you're gonna have a bad time.
>
> 3. If you are taking in-app payments, please don't try to take someone's
> money without using Apple's In-App purchasing API. This is a guaranteed
> rejection. And yes, there's a Cordova plugin for that.
>
> money without using Apple's In-App purchasing API. This is a guaranteed
> rejection. And yes, there's a Cordova plugin for that.
>
> 4. Apple tends to make really pretty images and icons, don't they? Well,
> don't get tempted to use them. While you might think Apple would be
> flattered by this, they most definitely are not, and will reject you if you
> copy icons that are not meant to be re-used in an app.
>
> don't get tempted to use them. While you might think Apple would be
> flattered by this, they most definitely are not, and will reject you if you
> copy icons that are not meant to be re-used in an app.
>
> 5. Be a miser when it comes to downloading data within your app. Keep in
> mind that many of your users are on limited cellular data plans and won't
> appreciate the fact that you are downloading 5MB of data every time you
> open the app. There are no specific guidelines from Apple, but you should
> be safe if you keep your downloads to a minimum.
>
> mind that many of your users are on limited cellular data plans and won't
> appreciate the fact that you are downloading 5MB of data every time you
> open the app. There are no specific guidelines from Apple, but you should
> be safe if you keep your downloads to a minimum.
>
> 6. Don't rely on an always-connected device. If your app crashes or
> otherwise doesn't function because it doesn't have a network connection, it
> probably won't get approved.
>
> otherwise doesn't function because it doesn't have a network connection, it
> probably won't get approved.
>
> 7. It can be tempting to tease with a "beta" or "demo" version of an
> app. Apple forbids these types of apps, so it is best to stay away from
> using this kind of title in your app description.
>
> app. Apple forbids these types of apps, so it is best to stay away from
> using this kind of title in your app description.
>
> 8. If your app takes longer than 10 seconds to initially load, it won't
> get approved. And yes, this is a good sign that you are probably doing
> something wrong anyway!
>
> get approved. And yes, this is a good sign that you are probably doing
> something wrong anyway!
>
> 9. Don't abuse the iOS file system. Since iOS 5.1, Apple doesn't allow
> apps to save data to the device that normally gets backed up by iCloud
> (without the user's permission). Instead, save this data to the device's
> cache. You can use Local Storage (which uses the cache), but just be aware
> that anything saved here may be overwritten.
>
> 10. I can't stress this enough: don't violate the Human Interface
> Guidelines! Apple has very specific directions on the sizes and locations
> of buttons/icons/navigation bars/etc. Violate these by a few pixels and you
> may find yourself in rejection land. (However, if you use Kendo UI Mobile a
> good portion of this has been taken care of for you!)
>
> apps to save data to the device that normally gets backed up by iCloud
> (without the user's permission). Instead, save this data to the device's
> cache. You can use Local Storage (which uses the cache), but just be aware
> that anything saved here may be overwritten.
>
> 10. I can't stress this enough: don't violate the Human Interface
> Guidelines! Apple has very specific directions on the sizes and locations
> of buttons/icons/navigation bars/etc. Violate these by a few pixels and you
> may find yourself in rejection land. (However, if you use Kendo UI Mobile a
> good portion of this has been taken care of for you!)
>
> 11. Avoid downloading external scripts. There is A LOT of confusion
> out there regarding the concept of downloading content/scripts within your
> app at runtime. Apple's own guidelines state, "Apps that download code in
> any way or form will be rejected". This is unfortunately vague, as one
> could interpret that as being HTML/CSS and JavaScript as well. My advice is
> to stay away from downloading/executing JavaScript in your app - I would
> definitely avoid CDNs especially as your app will be more performant
> keeping everything on the file system.
>
> out there regarding the concept of downloading content/scripts within your
> app at runtime. Apple's own guidelines state, "Apps that download code in
> any way or form will be rejected". This is unfortunately vague, as one
> could interpret that as being HTML/CSS and JavaScript as well. My advice is
> to stay away from downloading/executing JavaScript in your app - I would
> definitely avoid CDNs especially as your app will be more performant
> keeping everything on the file system.
>
> 12. Keep the size of your app (the final .ipa file) down to a
> manageable size, most likely under 50MB. If you have multiple image assets,
> consider utilizing lossy compression on your JPEGs and PNGs.
>
> manageable size, most likely under 50MB. If you have multiple image assets,
> consider utilizing lossy compression on your JPEGs and PNGs.
>
> 13. Don't go crazy with the vibration function. Vibrations should ONLY
> be used for alerts. You will annoy your users, but more importantly, your
> users won't see your app in the first place if you abuse this privilege.
>
> 14. Maybe most important of all, though, is that an app is an app
> because it can't be a mobile web site. I know, I hear you! But Apple cares
> about this and as hybrid mobile app developers you have to be very aware of
> this too, since you ARE developing with the HTML5 stack. If it looks and
> feels like a web site, it probably won't pass the review.
>
> be used for alerts. You will annoy your users, but more importantly, your
> users won't see your app in the first place if you abuse this privilege.
>
> 14. Maybe most important of all, though, is that an app is an app
> because it can't be a mobile web site. I know, I hear you! But Apple cares
> about this and as hybrid mobile app developers you have to be very aware of
> this too, since you ARE developing with the HTML5 stack. If it looks and
> feels like a web site, it probably won't pass the review.
>
> Also remember that you are dealing with real people who sometimes make real
> mistakes. Case in point: I previously submitted an app that was rejected
> for storing data in an inappropriate location (specifically, they thought
> we were storing data in a place that normally gets backed up in iCloud). I
> had to inform my reviewer that they were incorrect, that we were in fact
> storing the data appropriately (supported with documentation of course).
> They then promptly approved the app!
Thanks for the list of rules Michelle.
> mistakes. Case in point: I previously submitted an app that was rejected
> for storing data in an inappropriate location (specifically, they thought
> we were storing data in a place that normally gets backed up in iCloud). I
> had to inform my reviewer that they were incorrect, that we were in fact
> storing the data appropriately (supported with documentation of course).
> They then promptly approved the app!
They should make a rule for apps that are free but are useless until you
subscribe to them.
I download an app recently that was free. It was an aid when playing the
guitar but I found to get the music for the app you needed to have a paid
subscription. Without music loaded into the app then the app was useless.
I think the app was called Songsterr Tabs & Chords. I deleted the app.
Another rule is that Apps that have limits should be declared in the
subscription. I've downloaded some free games that later indicate that if
you want the full game then you need to buy it. They trap users into
thinking they have something for free but find out later that it is
limited.
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Regards Brian
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<1643527613399604009....@free.teranews.com>, Brian
those aren't rules. those are nothing more than someone's
interpretation of the actual rules, and as i said in another post, some
of those interpretations are wrong.
<1643527613399604009....@free.teranews.com>, Brian
those aren't rules. those are nothing more than someone's
interpretation of the actual rules, and as i said in another post, some
of those interpretations are wrong.
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <1643527613399604009....@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
> In article <1643527613399604009....@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> They should make a rule for apps that are free but are useless until you
>> subscribe to them.
>> I download an app recently that was free. It was an aid when playing the
>> guitar but I found to get the music for the app you needed to have a
>> paid subscription. Without music loaded into the app then the app was
>> useless. I think the app was called Songsterr Tabs & Chords. I deleted
>> the app.
>
> What should the rule say? That the description of the app in the app store
>> subscribe to them.
>> I download an app recently that was free. It was an aid when playing the
>> guitar but I found to get the music for the app you needed to have a
>> paid subscription. Without music loaded into the app then the app was
>> useless. I think the app was called Songsterr Tabs & Chords. I deleted
>> the app.
>
> say that a subscription is required? Amazingly, that's already in the
> description.
Well it caught me out I was expecting some free music with the program so I
could try it out. Other programs like this have free music. If something is
free then at least it should be functional. They might as well sell the
program with a 3 month subscription at no extra cost.
I was expecting to read a WARNING that the app will not function unless it
has music.
>
>> Another rule is that Apps that have limits should be declared in the
>> subscription. I've downloaded some free games that later indicate that
>> if you want the full game then you need to buy it. They trap users into
>> thinking they have something for free but find out later that it is
>> limited.
>
> of an app where one is free and the other costs money, it's a safe bet to
> believe that the free app is limited.
The whole idea is to get the player hooked on the game then tell him if you
wants more (such as the full game) then he has to buy it. They call this
crippleware instead of Freeware for PC computer users. They also make the
game easy to play and offer plenty of help and solutions so the player will
want to buy the game.
In sone cases you get to play several complete levels and there is no need
to buy the game unless you really want to in order to play more levels;
this is more like Freeware.
The full game might be the current app where you need to unlock the rest of
the game by entering some code by paying for the game so there might be one
version of the game.
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Regards Brian
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