GSF independent free, ad free, email programs for Android on Google Play

arlen holder

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What are GSF independent free, ad free, general-use email apps on Google
Play that you use? <https://i.postimg.cc/Hs96Ht3v/gsfindependent01.jpg>

My phone isn't rooted so I'm stuck with the Gmail app, but I don't like
that the Gmail app, apparently, syncs _all_ your data (not just email!) the
instant you log into the Gmail app for the first time (apparently
regardless of whether you have sync turned off or on!).

Having removed the Gmail account from the Android phone, I do just fine
using Aurora to install apps from Google Play without any Google account.

Looking for an ad-free GSF-independent free app, I found the following:
o K-9 Mail, by K-9 Dog Walkers (GSF independent, no ads, free)
o OpenMail (K-9 Fork), by Deepen Dhulla (GSF independent, no ads, free)
o FairEmail, open source by Marcel Bokhorst (GSF independent, no ads, free)
o ProfiMail Go, by Lonely Cat Games (GSF independent, no ads, free)
o ReaganMail, by Reagan.com (GSF independent, no ads, free)
o Squeaky Mail, K9 fork, by Adam Wasswerman (GSF independent, no ads, free)
o Minimal Mail, by GomezGutierrezD, K9 fork (GSF independent, no ads, free)
etc.

You'd think just searching Aurora for "mail" or "email" and setting a
filter for only "GSF independent" apps would find all the apps, but the
Aurora search doesn't work all that well for finding all the GSF
independent free ad-free email apps, so that's why I ask.
<https://i.postimg.cc/vTLtYQ7x/gsfindependent02.jpg>

Do you know of any other free ad free GSF independent general purpose mail
apps on Google Play?

Mick Finnlay

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Apr 15, 2019, 4:53:24 AM4/15/19

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arlen holder <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:

> What are GSF independent free, ad free, general-use email apps on Google
> Play that you use? <https://i.postimg.cc/Hs96Ht3v/gsfindependent01.jpg>
>
> My phone isn't rooted so I'm stuck with the Gmail app, but I don't like

A non-rooted Android phone doesn't imply that you're "stuck" with Gmail.

I have rooted all my phones and tablets save one (that's used for Google
SafetyNet stuff) and even on the non-rooted one I am using K-9 Mail. It
does what it says on the tin.

--
Mick

Libor Striz

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Apr 15, 2019, 5:08:59 AM4/15/19

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Mick Finnlay <Mick.F...@yopmail.com> Wrote in message:
>A non-rooted Android phone doesn't imply that you're "stuck" with Gmail.I have rooted all my phones and tablets save one (that's used for GoogleSafetyNet stuff) and even on the non-rooted one I am using K-9 Mail. Itdoes what it says on the tin.

+1 for K9mail on non rooted phone.
I have never used Gmail app.

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Allodoxaphobia

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Apr 15, 2019, 9:41:04 AM4/15/19

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On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 11:08:54 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:
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> Mick Finnlay <Mick.F...@yopmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>A non-rooted Android phone doesn't imply that you're "stuck" with Gmail.I have rooted all my phones and tablets save one (that's used for GoogleSafetyNet stuff) and even on the non-rooted one I am using K-9 Mail. Itdoes what it says on the tin.
>
> +1 for K9mail on non rooted phone.
> I have never used Gmail app.

arlen holder

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On 15 Apr 2019 13:41:03 GMT, Allodoxaphobia wrote:

> +2 for K9mail on non rooted _tablet_ .
> I have two, barely used, gmail accounts -- both
> of which are auto-forwarded to my personal email server.

Thanks for the admonishment to use K9 which I've used for years, where I
was remiss in not being clear that the Gmail app is just "there", but,
since I'm not rooted, I can't get rid of it from being "there", but, since
I wiped out my Google Account on the phone, the Gmail app simply opens to a
blank page.
<https://i.postimg.cc/y6cVtHhp/gsfindependent03.jpg>

Co-incidentally, at least a few times a day, I get a message that the Gmail
app has "crashed", even though I don't execute it since it's not set up
(where that crash is likely due to the fact I reverted to the GMail app
factory version).
<https://i.postimg.cc/NMrggh3M/gsfindependent04.jpg>

Mainly I'm confused about how to STOP Google from getting my contacts
o I'm hoping a GSF-independent app won't hand all my stuff to Google
<https://i.postimg.cc/2S2jG7dz/gsfindependent05.jpg>

Specifically, whenever I used the Gmail app, I couldn't STOP Google from
synchronizing _all_ my data (e.g., contacts that are only on the phone)
with the Google servers even though I never told the GMail app to sync ever
and have automatic sync explicitly turned off everywhere I can find a
setting.

Is it even possible to use the Gmail app, obviously sans sync, and NOT have
the Gmail app send all my stuff to Google upon the first login?

I'm "hoping" the GSF-independent apps won't send Google anything but email.

123456789

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Apr 15, 2019, 1:35:45 PM4/15/19

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arlen holder wrote:

> Thanks for the admonishment to use K9 which I've used
> for years,

I also used K9 (IMAP) with Gmail for years. I particularly
liked being able to read 6 lines of the email without
opening it. Then some time ago it stopped updating deletes
to the Gmail server. I even went back to an earlier K9 (apk)
version. Still no luck. Same problem on all my Android
devices so it must be some Gmail change.

> was remiss in not being clear that the Gmail app is just
> "there", but, since I'm not rooted, I can't get rid of it
> from being "there"

My three Android tablets and phone all allow me to disable
the Gmail app which I did when I was using K9. Never a peep
of activity or complaint from the dead (sleeping?) Gmail
app. I ASSume you've tried this. Or is this just another
Google is taking over the world rant...

BTW just between you and me it already has... 8-O

arlen holder

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Apr 15, 2019, 2:11:36 PM4/15/19

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On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:35:40 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

> I also used K9 (IMAP) with Gmail for years. I particularly
> liked being able to read 6 lines of the email without
> opening it. Then some time ago it stopped updating deletes
> to the Gmail server. I even went back to an earlier K9 (apk)
> version. Still no luck. Same problem on all my Android
> devices so it must be some Gmail change.

Hi 123456789,

Thanks for the purposefully helpful advice on "disabling" the GMail app
(which insists on syncing _all_ my data, not just email, on 1st use).

As I vaguely recall, I think I had "similar" issues, where, essentially, I
used to _like_ K-9 Mail, but then grew to dislike it over the years, until
I just stopped using it.

> My three Android tablets and phone all allow me to disable
> the Gmail app which I did when I was using K9.

Hi 123456789,
Thanks for proposing a purposefully helpful suggestion!

Hmmmm... I had only tried "deleting" before, but I didn't think of
"disable" because I figured that disable would just be temporary (until the
next reboot).

To test out the "disable" option, I just pressed the "disable" choice for
the existing GMail app on my Nougat LG Stylo 3 Plus. It allowed me to
disable, but then the phone immediately froze up. I rebooted.
< https://i.postimg.cc/WpDYjwRR/gsfindependent05.jpg>

The GMail app is no longer visible in the app drawer, which is a good sign!
But the GMail app does show up in "some" of my various "app lists"
utilities (but, strangely, not in others).
<https://i.postimg.cc/PrQWkCqs/gsfindependent06.jpg>

My main goal is to have Google Gmail service without the Google GMail app,
simply because I can't find a way to use the Google GMail app without
syncing ALL my data (not just my email) on the 1st connection (even with
all the syncing switches that I could find turned off!).

I'm _hoping_ that a GSF-independent email app will only sync email (and not
all the other stuff on my phone), but I don't really like K-9 mail all that
much.

So I'm testing out these GSF-independent Email apps as we speak...
<https://i.postimg.cc/c1c3gHXw/gsfindependent07.jpg>

Does anyone know what (if anything) GSF-independence buys us with respect
to privacy? (I'm not sure, but it "sounds" like it's a good thing to be as
divorced from Google as possible.)

Mainly I'm just trying to avoid Google syncing anything EXCEPT email.

123456789

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Apr 15, 2019, 2:47:30 PM4/15/19

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arlen holder wrote:

> I figured that disable would just be temporary (until
> the next reboot).

I have lots of apps disabled. They stay disabled through
reboots.

> The GMail app is no longer visible in the app drawer,
> which is a good sign! But the GMail app does show up in
> "some" of my various "app lists"

The only app list I use is in settings. I'm not surprised
disabled apps may show up in some other lists since they're
not deleted.

> My main goal is to have Google Gmail service without the
> Google GMail app,

That's what I did with K9. The Gmail app was incognito
(though not gone).

> So I'm testing out these GSF-independent Email apps as we
> speak...
> <https://i.postimg.cc/c1c3gHXw/gsfindependent07.jpg>

So what do I have to do once a day to quit taking Viagra?
I'm scared to push the button in your screen shot...

> Mainly I'm just trying to avoid Google syncing anything
> EXCEPT email.

Too late for me. I've been assimilated for years.

arlen holder

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Apr 15, 2019, 3:28:41 PM4/15/19

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On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 11:47:24 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

> I have lots of apps disabled. They stay disabled through
> reboots.

Hi 123456789,
thanks for remaining purposefully helpful.

I am on Nougat now, but I seem to recall apps 'coming back' upon reboot
(perhaps in earlier versions of Android?); but I won't belabor the issue
because, as you noted, this seems to have survived a reboot:
1. I rolled back the Gmail update (weeks ago) to the factory version
2. Today I "disabled" the Gmail app
3. After reboot, it disappeared from the app drawer (but not all lists)

I'll let folks know if it comes back! :)

> The only app list I use is in settings. I'm not surprised
> disabled apps may show up in some other lists since they're
> not deleted.

In a way, disabling Gmail is a good test of what the "list installed apps"
utilities actually list! :)
o Some no longer list the Gmail app (because it's disabled);
o Others still list it (because it's not deleted).

> That's what I did with K9. The Gmail app was incognito
> (though not gone).

I don't like K-9 all that much, where I noted that some of the
GSF-independent forks I downloaded said they fixed a few of the problems
with K-9 open source.

One of those GSF-independent K-9 forks, as I recall, allows us to put the
attachments on our SD Card for example.

Looking back at the advertising for each of the GSF-independent free
ad-free mail apps that work with GMail accounts, I found, it wasn't "Open
Mail, by Deepen Dhulla", as that just says it's a K-9 fork with no
embellishments that the description provides.

It wasn't "Fair Email, by Marcel Bokhorst", which is open source but it
says nothing about being a fork of K-9 Mail.

"ProfiMail Go, by Lonely Cat Games", also seems to be independent of K-9
Mail based on the description.

"ReaganMail (aka Reagan MultiMail) by Reagan.com" also seems to be
independent of K-9 Mail.

"Squeaky Mail, by Adam Wasswerman" is a K-9 fork which doesn't
differentiate itself (AFAICT) in its description.

"Smart Mail, by Mo Ghasemzadeh", also seems to be independent of K-9 Mail.'

"XryptoMail by cmeng" also seems to be independent of K-9 Mail.

"Minimal Mail, by GomezGutierrezD" says it's based on K9 Mail with support
for multiple accounts, search, IMAP push, synchronization of multiple
folders, declines, ... and much more. :)

Hmmmm... I can't find the one that I _thought_ said it had support for
storing attachments in the SD card, so I'll just keep that in mind as I
test the dozen or so of email apps out over time that I've installed into
my testing folder.

> So what do I have to do once a day to quit taking Viagra?
> I'm scared to push the button in your screen shot...

hehheh... I had to turn off my ad blocker in the postimage.org site to see
what you were talking about. She's kind of hot ... but I'm twice her age.
<https://postimg.cc/fkJy1w4R> :)

> Too late for me. I've been assimilated for years.

I just don't want _all_ my data sent to Google when I 1st connect via the
GMail app even though I have everything set to not go to Google (that I can
set).

I'm coming to the conclusion that the best approach for a GMail account is:
1. Remove the Google account from the Android phone (easy)
2. Install Aurora from F-Droid (easy) to get Google Play apps (easy)
3. Install the "best" ad-free free email app that doesn't sync stuff

Whether or not that email app needs to be GSF free is not known to me.
o Luckily there are at least a dozen or more GSF-independent apps to test
like best, and why, after I test them out in situ.

All I really want is something better than K9 mail was but I forget why I
hated K9 mail after a while.

123456789

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arlen holder wrote:

> 123456789 wrote:

>> So what do I have to do once a day to quit taking
>> Viagra? I'm scared to push the button in your screen
>> shot...

> hehheh... I had to turn off my ad blocker in the
> postimage.org site to see what you were talking about.
> She's kind of hot ... but I'm twice her age.
> <https://postimg.cc/fkJy1w4R> :)

I'm using a SeaMonkey newsreader (emulated on this
Chromebook) in which links default to its internal browser
with no ad blocker. So I got your full x-rated screenshot... ;-)

> All I really want is something better than K9 mail was
> but I forget why I hated K9 mail after a while.

As I said I liked K9 because it could show 6 preview lines
without opening the email. I often get 70 to 100 emails a
day and that feature saved me some time. If I read Gmail in
a browser l can get one line and that is helpful but 6 was
definitely better...

Mick Finnlay

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arlen holder <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:

> On 15 Apr 2019 13:41:03 GMT, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>
> > +2 for K9mail on non rooted _tablet_ .
> > I have two, barely used, gmail accounts -- both
> > of which are auto-forwarded to my personal email server.
>
> Thanks for the admonishment to use K9 which I've used for years, where I
> was remiss in not being clear that the Gmail app is just "there", but,
> since I'm not rooted, I can't get rid of it from being "there", but, since

You're not only "not rooted".

--
Mick

123456789

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Apr 16, 2019, 12:30:24 PM4/16/19

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123456789 wrote:

> arlen holder wrote:

>> All I really want is something better than K9 mail was
>> but I forget why I hated K9 mail after a while.

> As I said I liked K9 because it could show 6 preview
> lines without opening the email.

On the hope things had changed I just tried K9 again. This
time on this Chromebook which runs Android apps. I
downloaded the latest version since device security won't
allow side-loading. It ran great and in full screen glory
(Many Android apps will only run in a small phone sized
window). Unfortunately it still won't update Gmail servers
when I delete an email. It will update an email being opened
(marked as read) but not 'delete' (move to trash). So I
would have to use another app or browser to 'delete' stuff
which is just too much of a hassle. Obviously a Gmail server-app
incompatibility. Too bad. I really liked the app...

Libor Striz

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Apr 16, 2019, 1:29:40 PM4/16/19

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123456789 <12...@12345.com> Wrote in message:

> As I said I liked K9 because it could show 6 preview > lines without opening the email.On the hope things had changed I just tried K9 again. Thistime on this Chromebook which runs Android apps. Idownloaded the latest version since device security won'tallow side-loading. It ran great and in full screen glory(Many Android apps will only run in a small phone sizedwindow). Unfortunately it still won't update Gmail serverswhen I delete an email. It will update an email being opened(marked as read) but not 'delete' (move to trash). So Iwould have to use another app or browser to 'delete' stuffwhich is just too much of a hassle. Obviously a Gmail server-appincompatibility. Too bad. I really liked the app...

Interesting. I use AquaMail now, but when I used K9, I had not such problems with mail deletion.

A problem with Gmail can be, that it manages IMAP4 protocols by non standard way. E.g. an email being in a folder means having attached the folder label. Sometimes there are 2 thrash folders or 2 sent folders and if one chooses the wrong one...

123456789

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Apr 16, 2019, 1:56:40 PM4/16/19

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Libor Striz wrote:

> 123456789 Wrote:

>> I delete an email. It will update an email being
>> opened(marked as read) but not 'delete' (move to

>> trash). Obviously a Gmail server-appincompatibility.

> Interesting. I use AquaMail now, but when I used K9, I
> had not such problems with mail deletion.

I also used K9 with Gmail for years with no problem. Then
things went bad with no change on my end.

> A problem with Gmail can be, that it manages IMAP4
> protocols by non standard way. E.g. an email being in a
> folder means having attached the folder label. Sometimes
> there are 2 thrash folders or 2 sent folders and if one
> chooses the wrong one...

If you can translate that into a K9 setting I'll give it a
try...

Libor Striz

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Apr 16, 2019, 11:00:47 PM4/16/19

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123456789 <12...@12345.com> Wrote in message:
>

> If you can translate that into a K9 setting I'll give it a try...

It is easier to translate it to the open speach:
The proper choice of Gmail folders for particular use.

arlen holder

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Apr 17, 2019, 3:21:22 AM4/17/19

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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 05:00:44 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:

> It is easier to translate it to the open speach:
> The proper choice of Gmail folders for particular use.

One problem with K-9 Mail is that it says "Syncing disabled" even though I
have all the settings set in "Fetching Mail" to
o Sync message from any time (no limit)
o Fetch messages up to 1Mb
o Folder poll frequency = Every minute
o Poll folders = All
o Push folders = All

What is the setting in K9 mail to sync if it's not those?
<https://i.postimg.cc/wxcrcB24/gsfindependent08.jpg>

Libor Striz

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Apr 17, 2019, 3:40:00 AM4/17/19

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arlen holder <ar...@arlen.com> Wrote in message:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 05:00:44 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:> It is easier to translate it to the open speach:> The proper choice of Gmail folders for particular use.One problem with K-9 Mail is that it says "Syncing disabled" even though Ihave all the settings set in "Fetching Mail" to o Sync message from any time (no limit)o Fetch messages up to 1Mbo Folder poll frequency = Every minuteo Poll folders = Allo Push folders = AllWhat is the setting in K9 mail to sync if it's not those?<https://i.postimg.cc/wxcrcB24/gsfindependent08.jpg>

Could it be the problem is on Google account side, in sense of eventual enabling the full access for 3rd party applicstions ?

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Apr 17, 2019, 11:28:17 AM4/17/19

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Those are the settings. They work for me as set in default.
To save background activity I turn background syncing off
(in second down from the top in your link). I found it easy
to just hit the reload button (rotating arrow at the top) to
get new emails (instantaneous load) when required. Likewise
'select all' in the drop down menu and garbage icon to
delete all. With a 6 line preview I can read most emails
without opening them and group delete is very quick. Only
thing is I have to remember is to hit the arrow again when
done or no server update...

Again, my current problem is not that K9 won't update the
server but that it won't update 'delete' (only). Everything
else (like 'read') is immediately updated when I push the
arrow. I have both K9 (Android) and the Chrome browser set
to Gmail on this Chromebook and switching back and forth is
as quick as ticking the task bar icon. The update is faster
than that...

arlen holder

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Apr 17, 2019, 2:36:23 PM4/17/19

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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 08:28:12 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

> Again, my current problem is not that K9 won't update the
> server but that it won't update 'delete' (only).

Hi 123456789,

I'm only using K9 again for a day so I'll see how that delete works for me.
<https://i.postimg.cc/ncHS2T87/gsfindependent08.jpg>

o K-9 has crashed a few times already though, in that short time period
<https://i.postimg.cc/tCxJrdhq/gsfindependent11.jpg>

I presume I can test it by simply deleting a message on the phone and then
checking on the desktop if it got deleted on the server?

These are my delete-related settings, I think:
o Sync server deletions = checked
o When I delete a message = Delete from server
o Erase deleted messages on server = Immediately
<https://i.postimg.cc/zGNhK29Z/gsfindependent09.jpg>

One thing I hate about dumb programs is that they don't give you the option
to put things where they belong.
<https://i.postimg.cc/vm9CkB06/gsfindependent10.jpg>

All K-9 allows is the "SD Card" or "Internal Memory" but not where it
belongs on the SD Card (which, for me, is in a known location).

IMHO, only poorly designed programs don't ask WHERE they should put the
data that you will care about (like attachments).

123456789

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Apr 17, 2019, 3:38:00 PM4/17/19

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arlen holder wrote:

> 123456789 wrote:

>> Again, my current problem is not that K9 won't update the
>> server but that it won't update 'delete' (only).

> I presume I can test it by simply deleting a message on the phone and then
> checking on the desktop if it got deleted on the server?

The desktop or any other Gmail enabled device should do.

Be sure it's Gmail as K9 may be OK on other email services.
I've not tried (or frequent) any others.

If you're setting up K9 with Gmail for the first time you
have to use Google to generate an password for the K9 app
(just once). Your regular Gmail password won't work.

> These are my delete-related settings, I think:
> o Sync server deletions = checked
> o When I delete a message = Delete from server
> o Erase deleted messages on server = Immediately
> <https://i.postimg.cc/zGNhK29Z/gsfindependent09.jpg>

Looks good.

> One thing I hate about dumb programs is that they don't give you the option
> to put things where they belong.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/vm9CkB06/gsfindependent10.jpg>

Different folks like different aspects of an app. Until that
is, they stop functioning...

> All K-9 allows is the "SD Card" or "Internal Memory" but not where it
> belongs on the SD Card (which, for me, is in a known location).

For email security I would prefer all of K9 inside a locked
phone's non-removable internal memory.

> IMHO, only poorly designed programs don't ask WHERE they should put the
> data that you will care about (like attachments).

You get what you pay for...

arlen holder

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Apr 17, 2019, 4:09:23 PM4/17/19

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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:37:56 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

> If you're setting up K9 with Gmail for the first time you
> have to use Google to generate an password for the K9 app
> (just once). Your regular Gmail password won't work.

Hi 123456789,

I think this may not be fully correct in that none of the GSF independent
mail apps I tested ask for anything other than the mail address & password.

I set up K9 mail yesterday, where specifically I do NOT have any Google
account on my Android phone, and, where, I'm absolutely positive that K9
mail did NOT require anything except two things:
o My email address
o My Google Mail password

I know this because I tried _other_ mail programs, some of which DID
require a Google-specific authorization page where you literally had to
_first_ log into a Google Account from the app itself.

This is an example, from "BlueMail", which shows the Google login first:
<https://i.postimg.cc/sfp3Rjsg/gsfindependent12.jpg>

But BlueMail is GSF-dependent - not GSF independent.

This is a K9 clone, named "OpenMail", which shows what K9 showed:
<https://i.postimg.cc/8CrqB4Cz/gsfindependent13.jpg>

Where, for me, the GSF-independent mail apps simply ask for login/passwd.
o YMMV

> Different folks like different aspects of an app. Until that
> is, they stop functioning...

Me?
I put all the data that I want to keep, in a given well-organized place
o On the sd card

> For email security I would prefer all of K9 inside a locked
> phone's non-removable internal memory.

Can't you lock _all_ memory on Android (even external SD card)?

> You get what you pay for...

Hi 123456789,

< BEGIN RANT >
I don't think you're a moron, but that's something only morons say.

Morons, in general, can't fathom that "you get what you get".
o They think, somehow, a high price means you get "more".

That's only something stupid people say, simply because the're stupid.
o They all want a simple "number line" of how to choose stuff

That's why they "think" if you pay more, you get more.

As an example, I know batteries reasonably well, where I can fathom the
simple specs on batteries, and I know how few manufacturers actually make
the plethora of battery brands out there.

Recently, I bought a new battery, where I went to Autozone, O"reilly, Home
Depot, Lowe's and Costco.

At _all_ of those places, I asked how to tell a good battery from a
less-good battery (even though I already know the answer), where _every_
one went on about the warranty.

Guess what?
o The warranty is NOT an electrical spec about the battery.

The warranty is a marketing game designed for dumb people
o Dumb people want a number line that they can comprehend

So dumb people buy batteries by warranty.
o Me? I buy batteries by the spec.

I paid _half_ the price for a better battery at Costco than elsewhere.

SO you do NOT get what you pay for.
o You get what you get

How much you pay is up to how intelligent you are.
o And, a little with the demand for that product

I can wax philosophically on _plenty_ of other examples, e.g., high-test
gasoline is certainly not "better" than regular for any vehicle that
doens't need it - and yet - dumb people _think_ that, simply because it's
more expensive, that you get "more'.

Yet again, you _never_ get what you pay for.
o You get what you get

How much you pay for it is immaterial.

Same with Costco regular gas versus Chevron regular gas.
o Both Costco & Chevron are "top tier" (if you know what that means)

That means, mostly, the polyetheramines are above a certain level.
o And yet, Chevron (with Techron!) is generally more expensive

Do you know the difference between Techron & polyetheramines, 1thru9?
o I do.

The fact is that you _never_ get what you pay for, 1thru9
o Only stupid people, IMHO, even _think_ that

They're too stupid to figure out that you get what you get
O They desperately want a number line where dollars are their number line

So, please, never tell me "you get what you pay for"
o If you want to be considered as a reasonably intelligent person

< END RANT >

Freeware, in many cases, is just as good or better than the payware
o For example, the GMail mail app is, IMHO, a POS

Almost any mail app is better as long as it doesn't require me to sync
all my data when all I want to do is read my email.

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arlen holder wrote:
> 123456789 wrote:

>> If you're setting up K9 with Gmail for the first time you
>> have to use Google to generate an password for the K9 app
>> (just once). Your regular Gmail password won't work.

> I think this may not be fully correct in that none of the GSF independent
> mail apps I tested ask for anything other than the mail address & password.

To configure access to Gmail in K-9, just follow the steps
below:

Enable IMAP in your Gmail settings.
If you have 2FA enabled for your Google account, visit
https://myaccount.google.com/security#signin
Click on "App Passwords" and generate a new password.
This is the password you will use for IMAP in lieu of your
Gmail password.
Open K-9 and set up a new account.
Enter your full Gmail address and password, then select Next.
On the next screen, you can give the account a nickname and
choose the name to display on your outgoing messages.
Tap Done.

https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/accounts/providerSettings.html

>> For email security I would prefer all of K9 inside a locked
>> phone's non-removable internal memory.

> Can't you lock _all_ memory on Android (even external SD card)?

You can encrypt it but things get slowww. The thief is
welcome to the (unencrypted) songs on my SD card...

>> You get what you pay for...

> I don't think you're a moron, but that's something only morons say.

Cmon Arlen you've been doing great til now. No insults makes
for a much nicer conversation, don't you think? Try it,
you'll like it...

> They think, somehow, a high price means you get "more".

Many times a higher price does get you more. I don't mind
paying more to get a better quality product. I could buy a
W10 laptop for $119. But it is woefully under powered and
I'd be very unhappy with it.

> Freeware, in many cases, is just as good or better than the payware

Agreed. And in some cases after I used the freeware and
liked it I bought the paid version. In other cases I just
donated to the author. A few bucks ain't gonna kill me...

> For example, the GMail mail app is, IMHO, a POS

My two complaints are it won't group delete and it doesn't
give me a 6 line preview, thus I started using K9.

> Almost any mail app is better as long as it doesn't require me to sync
> all my data when all I want to do is read my email.

Dunno what you mean here. My Gmail (Android) apps all sync
in a split second when opened. Perhaps it's your connection?

arlen holder

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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:46:05 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

>> Almost any mail app is better as long as it doesn't require me to sync
>> all my data when all I want to do is read my email.
>
> Dunno what you mean here. My Gmail (Android) apps all sync
> in a split second when opened. Perhaps it's your connection?

Hi 1thru9,

I would have to re-load the Google Gmail app to show you what I mean in
screenshots, so I'll just explain that, apparently, even if you have sync
turned off EVERYWHERE you can have it turned off (e.g., sync pictures, sync
contgacts, etc.), the Gmail app INSISTS on SYNCING (afaik) the 1st time you
run it.

Why?
o I don't know why.

Certainly it doesn't _need_ to do that
o But it does (at least on my Nougat phone it does)

Looking up why, I see that Android 9 is different:
<https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/2840875>

Looking up to see how to disable this, others have asked the same question:
o How to prevent android from auto-sync'ing gmail contacts and photos etc
<https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/65844/how-to-prevent-android-from-auto-syncing-gmail-contacts-and-photos-etc>
<http://www.droidforums.net/threads/how-to-turn-off-syncing-to-gmail-calendar-contacts.108619/>
etc.

The answers on the net seem to range from "you can't do it" to "you have to
jump through these specific hoops to do it", so I think it's best to just:
o Delete the Google Account (use Aurora for the Play Store)
o Use K9 Mail or a similar non-GSF dependent email app

I think the Gmail app is _designed_ to vacuum up much more than it needs to
vacuum up, which is, to me, its major failing.

For me, there are a dozen alternative non-GSF-depenedent free ad free apps.
o The only question is which one is a good one, where I'm re-testing K9

I think, if I find that K9 clone that allows attachments to be saved where
they belong, that I will use that K9 clone (but I have to find it again).