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Jeff Layman
Dec 13, 2023, 6:16:58 AM12/13/23
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Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
problem having the time, but the date seems only available through the
use of an app. Even then it doesn't appear to work for all phones, or
may partly work (day of the week and date of month, but no month shown,
or no year shown), and then might work for a while but an Android OS
update (or manufacturer's update) messes it up.
The "best" app appears to be DateBar, but it doesn't work properly in my
Xiaomi Note 10. The month display is iffy, and trying to customise the
month default from two letters to three doesn't work in the status bar
(is "Ju" June or July?).
Do any phone makes have the date available in the status bar by default?
--
Jeff
problem having the time, but the date seems only available through the
use of an app. Even then it doesn't appear to work for all phones, or
may partly work (day of the week and date of month, but no month shown,
or no year shown), and then might work for a while but an Android OS
update (or manufacturer's update) messes it up.
The "best" app appears to be DateBar, but it doesn't work properly in my
Xiaomi Note 10. The month display is iffy, and trying to customise the
month default from two letters to three doesn't work in the status bar
(is "Ju" June or July?).
Do any phone makes have the date available in the status bar by default?
--
Jeff
Wally J
Dec 13, 2023, 10:04:23 AM12/13/23
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Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote
> Jeff Layman <Je...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
>>problem having the time
>
> Unless you like to have seconds with your time!
Interesting question. On my Galaxy (Android 13), when I want the date, or
the day of the week, I just tap the side button to make it sleep and tap it
again to awake it (I don't use silly biometrics or a pin as I don't live in
a slum so I'm not afraid of anyone snatching my phone out of my hands), and
it shows the day of the week, the date and the time (in hours & minutes).
<https://i.postimg.cc/GmnXTgxp/beeperapp.jpg>
But it's an interesting question as I had never thought about it before in
a systematic way. My default calendar app (Etar) shows the day of the week
and the date, but not the time but my clock app (Clock You) shows the day
of the week, the time (with seconds) but not the date.
*Clock You* Privacy focused open source clock app
<https://f-droid.org/packages/com.bnyro.clock/>
<https://github.com/you-apps/ClockYou>
<https://you-apps.net/>
*Etar* OpenSource Calendar
<https://f-droid.org/packages/ws.xsoh.etar/>
<https://github.com/Etar-Group/Etar-Calendar>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ws.xsoh.etar>
The default Samsung clock, which I had never deleted, does the same as
"Clock You" does, but with the added bonus of the time zone (if you look in
the "World Clock" tab where you can have it report the time anywhere).
*Clock* by Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
free,adfree,*FREE OF GSF SPYWARE*,4.1,star,243K reviews,1B+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sec.android.app.clockpackage>
Running the basic obligatory Google Play Store search on Windows shows a
few apps that appear to put the clock into the status bar though.
<https://play.google.com/store/search?q=status%20bar%20clock&c=apps>
A search in the Skyica App Finder shows 96 results when I flip the switch
for a free ad-free status bar clock app, which drops to 88 if I ad the
switch to filter out those apps with in-app purchases, and sorted by a 4.0
or better rating drops that to 26 apps, and then sorting that to at least
10K ratings drops it down to a manageable 3 apps, the first being this:
*PowerLine: status bar meters* by Petr Nálevka (Urbandroid)
free,adfree,gsf?,inappfree,4.7star,16.1K reviews,500K+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.urbandroid.inline>
I installed it but haven't played with it and I suggest the OP try it to
see if that app serves his purpose or not & let the rest of us in on it.
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> Jeff Layman <Je...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
>>problem having the time
>
Interesting question. On my Galaxy (Android 13), when I want the date, or
the day of the week, I just tap the side button to make it sleep and tap it
again to awake it (I don't use silly biometrics or a pin as I don't live in
a slum so I'm not afraid of anyone snatching my phone out of my hands), and
it shows the day of the week, the date and the time (in hours & minutes).
<https://i.postimg.cc/GmnXTgxp/beeperapp.jpg>
But it's an interesting question as I had never thought about it before in
a systematic way. My default calendar app (Etar) shows the day of the week
and the date, but not the time but my clock app (Clock You) shows the day
of the week, the time (with seconds) but not the date.
*Clock You* Privacy focused open source clock app
<https://f-droid.org/packages/com.bnyro.clock/>
<https://github.com/you-apps/ClockYou>
<https://you-apps.net/>
*Etar* OpenSource Calendar
<https://f-droid.org/packages/ws.xsoh.etar/>
<https://github.com/Etar-Group/Etar-Calendar>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ws.xsoh.etar>
The default Samsung clock, which I had never deleted, does the same as
"Clock You" does, but with the added bonus of the time zone (if you look in
the "World Clock" tab where you can have it report the time anywhere).
*Clock* by Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
free,adfree,*FREE OF GSF SPYWARE*,4.1,star,243K reviews,1B+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sec.android.app.clockpackage>
Running the basic obligatory Google Play Store search on Windows shows a
few apps that appear to put the clock into the status bar though.
<https://play.google.com/store/search?q=status%20bar%20clock&c=apps>
A search in the Skyica App Finder shows 96 results when I flip the switch
for a free ad-free status bar clock app, which drops to 88 if I ad the
switch to filter out those apps with in-app purchases, and sorted by a 4.0
or better rating drops that to 26 apps, and then sorting that to at least
10K ratings drops it down to a manageable 3 apps, the first being this:
*PowerLine: status bar meters* by Petr Nálevka (Urbandroid)
free,adfree,gsf?,inappfree,4.7star,16.1K reviews,500K+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.urbandroid.inline>
I installed it but haven't played with it and I suggest the OP try it to
see if that app serves his purpose or not & let the rest of us in on it.
--
Usenet is a way to not only help others, but to help them help themselves.
micky
Dec 13, 2023, 11:40:19 AM12/13/23
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In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 13 Dec 2023 11:16:55 +0000, Jeff Layman
Did you know that Xiami has its own discussion groups? It may be bad
that they are divided by phone model, since all of my problems seem
likely to span many models. I don't know if they have a way to see
posts about other models that apply to one's own, but I doubt it. It
seems difficult technically. so I haven't used the groups much, but you
could still ask there.
that they are divided by phone model, since all of my problems seem
likely to span many models. I don't know if they have a way to see
posts about other models that apply to one's own, but I doubt it. It
seems difficult technically. so I haven't used the groups much, but you
could still ask there.
Jeff Layman
Dec 13, 2023, 1:51:20 PM12/13/23
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On 13/12/2023 15:04, Wally J wrote:
> Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote
>
>> Jeff Layman <Je...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>> Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
>>> problem having the time
>>
>> Unless you like to have seconds with your time!
>
> Interesting question. On my Galaxy (Android 13), when I want the date, or
> the day of the week, I just tap the side button to make it sleep and tap it
> again to awake it (I don't use silly biometrics or a pin as I don't live in
> a slum so I'm not afraid of anyone snatching my phone out of my hands), and
> it shows the day of the week, the date and the time (in hours & minutes).
> <https://i.postimg.cc/GmnXTgxp/beeperapp.jpg>
I can do that with my phone too, but it seems two unnecessary steps.
> Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote
>
>> Jeff Layman <Je...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>> Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
>>> problem having the time
>>
>> Unless you like to have seconds with your time!
>
> Interesting question. On my Galaxy (Android 13), when I want the date, or
> the day of the week, I just tap the side button to make it sleep and tap it
> again to awake it (I don't use silly biometrics or a pin as I don't live in
> a slum so I'm not afraid of anyone snatching my phone out of my hands), and
> it shows the day of the week, the date and the time (in hours & minutes).
> <https://i.postimg.cc/GmnXTgxp/beeperapp.jpg>
Surely time and date are very basic OS parameters and should be easily
accessible on the status bar. Why just have the time but not the date?
It would be like having a file manager which only showed the time a file
was created or modified, and not the date. Out of interest, does the
date appear on an iPhone status bar (assuming it has one - or whatever
Apple call it)?
could see. Oddly, after uninstalling it the accessibility button was
still on the screen and still worked! I checked in "Battery" to see if
the app was still doing anything but it wasn't there, and when I
returned to the main screen in had disappeared. I checked with "App
Manager" and it confirmed PowerLine was absent.
I thought it might be possible to touch the time on the status bar, and
that would toggle to the date, but no such luck. I found that the
easiest way to access it is to just swipe down on any screen, and then
swipe back up to return to the screen I was on.
--
Jeff
AJL
Dec 13, 2023, 3:25:47 PM12/13/23
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On 12/13/2023 4:16 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:
> The "best" [date status bar] app appears to be DateBar,
DateBar works great FOR ME on all my Android/Chrome OS toys.
> but it doesn't work properly in my Xiaomi Note 10. The month display
> is iffy,
About the only problem I've had is that a new app's notifications
will sometimes squeeze some of the DateBar characters off the status
bar. I just turn off the offending app's notifications and problem
solved. If it's an important notification I don't want to turn off then
I just leave it be because the DateBar characters come right back after
the notification is read and wiped.
> and trying to customise the month default from two letters to three
> doesn't work in the status bar (is "Ju" June or July?).
I just stick with 2 month letters. It's easy to understand and takes
less status bar room. That helps on small devices like a phone when
there's not much room to begin with. YMMV of course...
> The "best" [date status bar] app appears to be DateBar,
DateBar works great FOR ME on all my Android/Chrome OS toys.
> but it doesn't work properly in my Xiaomi Note 10. The month display
> is iffy,
will sometimes squeeze some of the DateBar characters off the status
bar. I just turn off the offending app's notifications and problem
solved. If it's an important notification I don't want to turn off then
I just leave it be because the DateBar characters come right back after
the notification is read and wiped.
> and trying to customise the month default from two letters to three
> doesn't work in the status bar (is "Ju" June or July?).
less status bar room. That helps on small devices like a phone when
there's not much room to begin with. YMMV of course...
VanguardLH
Dec 13, 2023, 4:04:10 PM12/13/23
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appear in the 2nd screen (a toolbar at the top of the screen) when the
phone is locked. When unlocked, the 2nd screen shows the shortcuts I
added to it (it has 3 parts, so you scroll to see each part), but the
date disappears. However, when unlocked, I can see the main screen
which shows a weather widget that shows time, day-of-week, month, day
number along with the current temperature and cloud conditions in my
current region, and forecasts for the next 3 days at the bottom in a
row. I've not needed another date app, but if I didn't want to see the
weather widget then I could add another app that includes a widget to
keep on the screen.
When I look at the available widgets I could add to the screen (so they
always show instead of having to open an app), there are Clock widgets
some of which include time, day of week, moneh, and day number. Look at
what widgets are available on your phone that you can add to a screen.
Widgets are always shown. No need to open an app to see them. As I
recall, widgets only appear on one screen. If you only have one (main)
screen then that is where the widget is shown. If have multiple
screens, you can drag it to whichever one you want. For example, maybe
your main screen is loaded with app shortcuts, so there's no room for
the widget, so put it on another screen which you swipe to see.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=xiaomi+note+10+widgets
AJL
Dec 13, 2023, 6:07:27 PM12/13/23
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On 12/13/2023 2:04 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
available when I need it. For instance when answering an email in Gmail
and I need but forgot the date. With DateBar I just look up and read the
status bar for the date and keep typing. No need to switch screens to
see a widget.
BTW I just checked my latest New Bison Android tablet toy and for all
the apps I've installed so far (20 or so) all show the DateBar day/date
when open. So when I forget what day it is (happens more often than I
like) all I have to do is look up...
BTW2 My Chrome tablet natively shows the month/date in its bottom right
app/status line but NOT the day. I was able to configure DateBar to put
just the day next to the already existing month/date. Impressive app...
> Jeff Layman <Je...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> The "best" app appears to be DateBar,
>> The "best" app appears to be DateBar,
> When I look at the available widgets I could add to the screen (so
> they always show instead of having to open an app), there are Clock
> widgets some of which include time, day of week, moneh, and day
> number.
The trouble with a home screen date widget FOR ME is that it's not
> they always show instead of having to open an app), there are Clock
> widgets some of which include time, day of week, moneh, and day
> number.
available when I need it. For instance when answering an email in Gmail
and I need but forgot the date. With DateBar I just look up and read the
status bar for the date and keep typing. No need to switch screens to
see a widget.
BTW I just checked my latest New Bison Android tablet toy and for all
the apps I've installed so far (20 or so) all show the DateBar day/date
when open. So when I forget what day it is (happens more often than I
like) all I have to do is look up...
BTW2 My Chrome tablet natively shows the month/date in its bottom right
app/status line but NOT the day. I was able to configure DateBar to put
just the day next to the already existing month/date. Impressive app...
Alan
Dec 13, 2023, 6:11:04 PM12/13/23
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On 2023-12-13 07:04, Wally J wrote:
> Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote
>
>> Jeff Layman <Je...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>> Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
>>> problem having the time
>>
>> Unless you like to have seconds with your time!
>
> Interesting question. On my Galaxy (Android 13), when I want the date, or
> the day of the week, I just tap the side button to make it sleep and tap it
> again to awake it (I don't use silly biometrics or a pin as I don't live in
> a slum so I'm not afraid of anyone snatching my phone out of my hands)
I'm delighted to know that you're an asshole in all aspects of your
> Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote
>
>> Jeff Layman <Je...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>> Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
>>> problem having the time
>>
>> Unless you like to have seconds with your time!
>
> Interesting question. On my Galaxy (Android 13), when I want the date, or
> the day of the week, I just tap the side button to make it sleep and tap it
> again to awake it (I don't use silly biometrics or a pin as I don't live in
> a slum so I'm not afraid of anyone snatching my phone out of my hands)
personality
Arno Welzel
Dec 14, 2023, 6:00:11 AM12/14/23
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Stefan Ram, 2023-12-13 12:46:
> Jeff Layman <Je...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
every minute. That's the main reason why the status bar does not contain
time with seconds. If you need the time with seconds you can always use
a clock app. Even the default clock app in the Pixel phones allows to
show seconds.
--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de
> Jeff Layman <Je...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
>> problem having the time
>
> Unless you like to have seconds with your time!
Well - updating something every second needs more energy than only once
>
> Unless you like to have seconds with your time!
every minute. That's the main reason why the status bar does not contain
time with seconds. If you need the time with seconds you can always use
a clock app. Even the default clock app in the Pixel phones allows to
show seconds.
--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de
Arno Welzel
Dec 14, 2023, 6:03:30 AM12/14/23
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Jeff Layman, 2023-12-13 12:16:
I don't know any. And the reason is most likely missing space for it.
Modern phones have either a notch or punch out front camera, so the
available space for the status bar is limited already. Having the date
there beside the time like "12:01 2023-12-14" or even with names like
"12:01 2023 Dec 14" will leave less room for notification icons.
And most people know very well what date as it is displayed on the lock
screen already.
Modern phones have either a notch or punch out front camera, so the
available space for the status bar is limited already. Having the date
there beside the time like "12:01 2023-12-14" or even with names like
"12:01 2023 Dec 14" will leave less room for notification icons.
And most people know very well what date as it is displayed on the lock
screen already.
Andy Burns
Dec 14, 2023, 6:10:37 AM12/14/23
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AJL wrote:
> The trouble with a home screen date widget FOR ME is that it's not
> available when I need it. For instance when answering an email in Gmail
> and I need but forgot the date. With DateBar I just look up and read the
> status bar for the date and keep typing. No need to switch screens to
> see a widget.
Can't you just pull down the notification shade for a second to see the
> The trouble with a home screen date widget FOR ME is that it's not
> available when I need it. For instance when answering an email in Gmail
> and I need but forgot the date. With DateBar I just look up and read the
> status bar for the date and keep typing. No need to switch screens to
> see a widget.
date, then let it go and it will spring away again?
AJL
Dec 14, 2023, 10:12:10 AM12/14/23
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On 12/14/2023 4:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Modern phones have either a notch or punch out front camera,
Even my not so modern 4+ year old Galaxy S10+ has such a camera hole on
> Modern phones have either a notch or punch out front camera,
the status bar.
> so the available space for the status bar is limited already.
status bar still blank. YMMV. Further (on my phone, again YMMV) if a
notification needs the space it knocks DateBar off the status bar but it
comes right back after the notification is wiped.
> Having the date there beside the time like "12:01 2023-12-14" or
> even with names like "12:01 2023 Dec 14" will leave less room for
> notification icons.
other programming options that while less abbreviated do take more
status bar space. I use those on my (larger status bar) tablets...
> And most people know very well what date as it is displayed on the
> lock screen already.
AJL
Dec 14, 2023, 10:12:12 AM12/14/23
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analysis. Using the pull down shade requires I make 2 screen moves, down
and back. Likewise using my old home screen day/date widget requires 2
moves, home button to read the widget, and the app button to get back.
Now lets use DateBar. Hey, no moves...
Perhaps a not so perfect analogy: While watching TV I wonder the time. I
just look up and there is the clock on the wall giving me the time at a
glance. But with no clock my next move would be to grab my phone and
open the lock screen. 2 moves (cause I have it set to double tap to
open)... ;-)
Yep. The height of laziness I agree. But that's me by definition...
BTW While testing your pull down suggestion on my phone I discovered
that DateBar actually spells it out there, I guess in case you can't
understand the status bar? It says quote:
Th Thursday 8:02 AM
De December 8:02 AM
14 /31 8:02 AM
And if you touch one, the DateBar app opens for more programming.
Ain't that neat (I think)... :-/
AJL
Dec 14, 2023, 11:19:21 AM12/14/23
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On 12/14/2023 8:41 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> software by Adobe. But this software will hide the status bar.
Yup. Some apps do block the status bar. Both my ebook readers (Kindle
and Play Books) do while viewing the reading pages for example.
Fortunately the majority of my apps don't...
> Often, when reading, I wonder about the time, and I even have placed
> an analog clock on the shelf, so that I can see the time without
> hassle by moving the eyes just a few degrees.
Yep. But I'm a bit more modern. I have one of my old Amazon Fire tablets
set up to digitally show the time. That's it's only retirement duty. And
unlike your analog clock I can see it in the dark (unless I can't find
my glasses)... ;-)
> It would be nice if the PDF reader would just leave the status bar
> alone, so that I can easily see the time while reading!
Me too...
> (Other PDF readers do this, but then have other problems.)
> AJL <noe...@none.com> writes:
>> Perhaps a not so perfect analogy: While watching TV I wonder the
>> time. I just look up and there is the clock on the wall giving me
>> the time at a glance. But with no clock my next move would be to
>> grab my phone and open the lock screen. 2 moves (cause I have it
>> set to double tap to open)... ;-)
>
> I am often reading PDF files on my Android mobile device using
>> Perhaps a not so perfect analogy: While watching TV I wonder the
>> time. I just look up and there is the clock on the wall giving me
>> the time at a glance. But with no clock my next move would be to
>> grab my phone and open the lock screen. 2 moves (cause I have it
>> set to double tap to open)... ;-)
>
> software by Adobe. But this software will hide the status bar.
Yup. Some apps do block the status bar. Both my ebook readers (Kindle
and Play Books) do while viewing the reading pages for example.
Fortunately the majority of my apps don't...
> Often, when reading, I wonder about the time, and I even have placed
> an analog clock on the shelf, so that I can see the time without
> hassle by moving the eyes just a few degrees.
Yep. But I'm a bit more modern. I have one of my old Amazon Fire tablets
set up to digitally show the time. That's it's only retirement duty. And
unlike your analog clock I can see it in the dark (unless I can't find
my glasses)... ;-)
> It would be nice if the PDF reader would just leave the status bar
> alone, so that I can easily see the time while reading!
Me too...
> (Other PDF readers do this, but then have other problems.)
AJL
Dec 14, 2023, 11:19:23 AM12/14/23
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>> I have my phone programmed to say: "Th De 14". But there are
>> several
>
> My Windows task bar clock (at the bottom right of the screen), in
>> several
>
> bold large black lettering:
>
> 5:33:28 348 Thu 2023-12-14 16:26:26
My Windows LT (I'm currently posting with) says: 8:55 AM 12/14/2023.
Unfortunately no day shown. I have to (gasp) hold my mouse over the date
to get the day. The horror...
> . (uptime, day of the year, day of the week, date, and time)
>
> (updated once a second)
>
> (But using additional software, not just Windows.)
>
> (This program allows to configure text displayed information using a
> format string.)
>
> (Actually, two different pieces of software [by two different
> manufacturers] work together to create this display.)
Sounds neat...
Wally J
Dec 14, 2023, 12:00:19 PM12/14/23
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AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote
>> (This program allows to configure text displayed information using a
>> format string.)
>>
>> (Actually, two different pieces of software [by two different
>> manufacturers] work together to create this display.)
>
> Sounds neat...
While we're on the subject...
Given my system time is randomized every few minutes for privacy, I use
"DS Clock" on the Windows taskbar to display the real time in real time.
<https://www.dualitysoft.com/dsclock/update.html>
Mine shows currently "ThuDec14" N/L [8:53AM]" using Segoe UI (9pt) bold.
The format string is "dddMMMdd|[#085]" & the color is 160/0/240 (hsl).
Synchronization is set to one of the many clock servers around the world.
It can display the date:time to milliseconds (as of version 5.0 long ago).
>> (This program allows to configure text displayed information using a
>> format string.)
>>
>> (Actually, two different pieces of software [by two different
>> manufacturers] work together to create this display.)
>
> Sounds neat...
Given my system time is randomized every few minutes for privacy, I use
"DS Clock" on the Windows taskbar to display the real time in real time.
<https://www.dualitysoft.com/dsclock/update.html>
Mine shows currently "ThuDec14" N/L [8:53AM]" using Segoe UI (9pt) bold.
The format string is "dddMMMdd|[#085]" & the color is 160/0/240 (hsl).
Synchronization is set to one of the many clock servers around the world.
It can display the date:time to milliseconds (as of version 5.0 long ago).
Alan
Dec 14, 2023, 1:42:13 PM12/14/23
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On 2023-12-14 09:00, Wally J wrote:
> AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote
>
>>> (This program allows to configure text displayed information using a
>>> format string.)
>>>
>>> (Actually, two different pieces of software [by two different
>>> manufacturers] work together to create this display.)
>>
>> Sounds neat...
>
> While we're on the subject...
>
> Given my system time is randomized every few minutes for privacy, I use
> "DS Clock" on the Windows taskbar to display the real time in real time.
> <https://www.dualitysoft.com/dsclock/update.html>
How does randomizing your system time enhance your PRIVACY?
> AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote
>
>>> (This program allows to configure text displayed information using a
>>> format string.)
>>>
>>> (Actually, two different pieces of software [by two different
>>> manufacturers] work together to create this display.)
>>
>> Sounds neat...
>
> While we're on the subject...
>
> Given my system time is randomized every few minutes for privacy, I use
> "DS Clock" on the Windows taskbar to display the real time in real time.
> <https://www.dualitysoft.com/dsclock/update.html>
AJL
Dec 14, 2023, 4:49:19 PM12/14/23
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On 12/14/2023 8:34 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> My Windows task bar clock (at the bottom right of the screen), in
> bold large black lettering:
>
> 5:33:28 348 Thu 2023-12-14 16:26:26
> My Windows task bar clock (at the bottom right of the screen), in
> bold large black lettering:
>
> 5:33:28 348 Thu 2023-12-14 16:26:26
> (Actually, two different pieces of software [by two different
> manufacturers] work together to create this display.)
You got me thinking: Why can't I have a complete Windows Taskbar date
> manufacturers] work together to create this display.)
display similar to yours?
So I went to the MS store and downloaded the app 'ElevenClock'.
Now my Taskbar shows:
2:42 PM
Thursday
12/14/2023
Now no more extra hovering just to help me remember what day it is... ;)
Wally J
Dec 14, 2023, 5:06:39 PM12/14/23
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AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote
> You got me thinking: Why can't I have a complete Windows Taskbar date
> display similar to yours?
>
> So I went to the MS store and downloaded the app 'ElevenClock'.
>
> Now my Taskbar shows:
>
> 2:42 PM
> Thursday
> 12/14/2023
>
> Now no more extra hovering just to help me remember what day it is... ;)
Somewhere on Usenet I posted a tutorial on all the taskbar clock displays.
<https://i.postimg.cc/3r42Dnz6/dsclock05.jpg>
As you noticed, there are many solutions for displaying taskbar timedate:
<https://i.postimg.cc/hGrL20ZK/dsclock04.jpg
It's especially useful when you randomize your system clock to make it
slightly more difficult for fingerprinters to know your real time zone.
<https://i.postimg.cc/RVsHGmnG/dsclock.jpg
<https://i.postimg.cc/sD6sDsgw/dsclock02.jpg
<https://i.postimg.cc/mrCGrsVY/dsclock03.jpg
--
Usenet is where people share ideas and use models and suggest new programs.
> You got me thinking: Why can't I have a complete Windows Taskbar date
> display similar to yours?
>
> So I went to the MS store and downloaded the app 'ElevenClock'.
>
> Now my Taskbar shows:
>
> 2:42 PM
> Thursday
> 12/14/2023
>
> Now no more extra hovering just to help me remember what day it is... ;)
<https://i.postimg.cc/3r42Dnz6/dsclock05.jpg>
As you noticed, there are many solutions for displaying taskbar timedate:
<https://i.postimg.cc/hGrL20ZK/dsclock04.jpg
It's especially useful when you randomize your system clock to make it
slightly more difficult for fingerprinters to know your real time zone.
<https://i.postimg.cc/RVsHGmnG/dsclock.jpg
<https://i.postimg.cc/sD6sDsgw/dsclock02.jpg
<https://i.postimg.cc/mrCGrsVY/dsclock03.jpg
--
Usenet is where people share ideas and use models and suggest new programs.
AJL
Dec 14, 2023, 5:31:07 PM12/14/23
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>> I went to the MS store and downloaded the app 'ElevenClock'.
>>
>> Now my Taskbar shows:
>>
>> 2:42 PM Thursday 12/14/2023
>>
>> Now no more extra hovering just to help me remember what day it
>> is... ;)
>
> Somewhere on Usenet I posted a tutorial on all the taskbar clock
> displays. <https://i.postimg.cc/3r42Dnz6/dsclock05.jpg>
>
> As you noticed, there are many solutions for displaying taskbar
> timedate: <https://i.postimg.cc/hGrL20ZK/dsclock04.jpg
>
> It's especially useful when you randomize your system clock to make
> it slightly more difficult for fingerprinters to know your real time
> zone. <https://i.postimg.cc/RVsHGmnG/dsclock.jpg
> <https://i.postimg.cc/sD6sDsgw/dsclock02.jpg
> <https://i.postimg.cc/mrCGrsVY/dsclock03.jpg
As you know I was assimilated (from a Star Trek episode) long ago. So I
>>
>> Now my Taskbar shows:
>>
>> 2:42 PM Thursday 12/14/2023
>>
>> Now no more extra hovering just to help me remember what day it
>> is... ;)
>
> Somewhere on Usenet I posted a tutorial on all the taskbar clock
> displays. <https://i.postimg.cc/3r42Dnz6/dsclock05.jpg>
>
> As you noticed, there are many solutions for displaying taskbar
> timedate: <https://i.postimg.cc/hGrL20ZK/dsclock04.jpg
>
> It's especially useful when you randomize your system clock to make
> it slightly more difficult for fingerprinters to know your real time
> zone. <https://i.postimg.cc/RVsHGmnG/dsclock.jpg
> <https://i.postimg.cc/sD6sDsgw/dsclock02.jpg
> <https://i.postimg.cc/mrCGrsVY/dsclock03.jpg
really don't worry much about whose server my play data resides or what
zombies are after me. There's nothing much of any value on any of my
play toys (including this Windows laptop) anyway. I do keep ONE device
for the important stuff and of course never play on it. That's my idea
of security. Perhaps not CIA proof but good enough for me. Anyway thanks
for the warning and info...
Wally J
Dec 14, 2023, 6:18:04 PM12/14/23
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AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote
> As you know I was assimilated (from a Star Trek episode) long ago. So I
> really don't worry much about whose server my play data resides or what
> zombies are after me. There's nothing much of any value on any of my
> play toys (including this Windows laptop) anyway. I do keep ONE device
> for the important stuff and of course never play on it. That's my idea
> of security. Perhaps not CIA proof but good enough for me. Anyway thanks
> for the warning and info...
I have no problem with your sentiments as feelings are always valid.
You may not know it, but one of my degrees is in microbiology, where I was
taught a thing or two about personal hygiene, which relates to privacy.
There are only two truths to privacy, which are the same two truths for
personal hygiene, one of which is the more ignorant someone is of it, the
less they'll have it and the other is, for those in the know, is that
personal hygiene (like privacy) is something you do all day, every day.
They're both lots of little things that add up to the desired end result.
But you have to know what they are in order to have it.
People who look at you funily' when you wash your hands after you pee...
are the same people who look at you funily' when you practice privacy too.
> As you know I was assimilated (from a Star Trek episode) long ago. So I
> really don't worry much about whose server my play data resides or what
> zombies are after me. There's nothing much of any value on any of my
> play toys (including this Windows laptop) anyway. I do keep ONE device
> for the important stuff and of course never play on it. That's my idea
> of security. Perhaps not CIA proof but good enough for me. Anyway thanks
> for the warning and info...
You may not know it, but one of my degrees is in microbiology, where I was
taught a thing or two about personal hygiene, which relates to privacy.
There are only two truths to privacy, which are the same two truths for
personal hygiene, one of which is the more ignorant someone is of it, the
less they'll have it and the other is, for those in the know, is that
personal hygiene (like privacy) is something you do all day, every day.
They're both lots of little things that add up to the desired end result.
But you have to know what they are in order to have it.
People who look at you funily' when you wash your hands after you pee...
are the same people who look at you funily' when you practice privacy too.
AJL
Dec 14, 2023, 9:31:21 PM12/14/23
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On 12/14/2023 4:18 PM, Wally J wrote:
> AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote
>> As you know I was assimilated (from a Star Trek episode) long ago.
>> So I really don't worry much about whose server my play data
>> resides or what zombies are after me.
> AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote
>> As you know I was assimilated (from a Star Trek episode) long ago.
>> So I really don't worry much about whose server my play data
>> resides or what zombies are after me.
> There are only two truths to privacy,
Agreed. There's (1) me and (2) fake me (AJL).
Since AJL is fictional (and assimilated) he doesn't care about privacy.
So no need to mess with clocks on the toys he uses...
> People who look at you funily' when you wash your hands after you
> pee...
he doesn't have a dick.
> are the same people who look at you funily' when you practice
> privacy too.
course a few Google accounts for his Android and Chromebook toys) to
play from. And of course a few aliases. But other than that I wouldn't
call AJL all that paranoid... 8-O
Meanwhile his handler sits back and doesn't really worry all that much
about security since he seldom goes anywhere unclothed anyway...
Arno Welzel
Dec 15, 2023, 2:53:24 AM12/15/23
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AJL, 2023-12-14 16:12:
> On 12/14/2023 4:10 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> AJL wrote:
>>
>>> The trouble with a home screen date widget FOR ME is that it's not
>>> available when I need it. For instance when answering an email in
>>> Gmail and I need but forgot the date. With DateBar I just look up
>>> and read the status bar for the date and keep typing. No need to
>>> switch screens to see a widget.
>>
>> Can't you just pull down the notification shade for a second to see
>> the date, then let it go and it will spring away again?
>
> I can but MY phone doesn't spring back. YMMV. So let's do a lazy
> analysis. Using the pull down shade requires I make 2 screen moves, down
So what? One fling down, one up.
> and back. Likewise using my old home screen day/date widget requires 2
> moves, home button to read the widget, and the app button to get back.
> Now lets use DateBar. Hey, no moves...
But less space available in the notification area.
Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
> On 12/14/2023 4:10 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> AJL wrote:
>>
>>> The trouble with a home screen date widget FOR ME is that it's not
>>> available when I need it. For instance when answering an email in
>>> Gmail and I need but forgot the date. With DateBar I just look up
>>> and read the status bar for the date and keep typing. No need to
>>> switch screens to see a widget.
>>
>> Can't you just pull down the notification shade for a second to see
>> the date, then let it go and it will spring away again?
>
> I can but MY phone doesn't spring back. YMMV. So let's do a lazy
> analysis. Using the pull down shade requires I make 2 screen moves, down
> and back. Likewise using my old home screen day/date widget requires 2
> moves, home button to read the widget, and the app button to get back.
> Now lets use DateBar. Hey, no moves...
Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
Arno Welzel
Dec 15, 2023, 2:55:53 AM12/15/23
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AJL, 2023-12-14 16:12:
> On 12/14/2023 4:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
[...]
Usually I never forget what year, month or day of week it is - most of
the time I would only need the date anyway.
> On 12/14/2023 4:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Having the date there beside the time like "12:01 2023-12-14" or
>> even with names like "12:01 2023 Dec 14" will leave less room for
>> notification icons.
>
> I have my phone programmed to say: "Th De 14". But there are several
> other programming options that while less abbreviated do take more
> status bar space. I use those on my (larger status bar) tablets...
No year? Maybe you forgot what year it is - and then? ;-)
>> even with names like "12:01 2023 Dec 14" will leave less room for
>> notification icons.
>
> I have my phone programmed to say: "Th De 14". But there are several
> other programming options that while less abbreviated do take more
> status bar space. I use those on my (larger status bar) tablets...
Usually I never forget what year, month or day of week it is - most of
the time I would only need the date anyway.
Carlos E.R.
Dec 15, 2023, 3:12:24 AM12/15/23
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On 2023-12-13 19:51, Jeff Layman wrote:
...
>
> I can do that with my phone too, but it seems two unnecessary steps.
> Surely time and date are very basic OS parameters and should be easily
> accessible on the status bar. Why just have the time but not the date?
Space is at a premium there.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
...
>
> I can do that with my phone too, but it seems two unnecessary steps.
> Surely time and date are very basic OS parameters and should be easily
> accessible on the status bar. Why just have the time but not the date?
--
Cheers, Carlos.
AJL
Dec 15, 2023, 10:41:51 AM12/15/23
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On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>AJL, 2023-12-14 16:12:
>
>> On 12/14/2023 4:10 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> AJL wrote:
>>>
>>>> The trouble with a home screen date widget FOR ME is that it's not
>>>> available when I need it. For instance when answering an email in
>>>> Gmail and I need but forgot the date. With DateBar I just look up
>>>> and read the status bar for the date and keep typing. No need to
>>>> switch screens to see a widget.
>>>
>>> Can't you just pull down the notification shade for a second to see
>>> the date, then let it go and it will spring away again?
>>
>> I can but MY phone doesn't spring back. YMMV. So let's do a lazy
>> analysis. Using the pull down shade requires I make 2 screen moves, down
>
>So what? One fling down, one up.
Eyes roll up, eyes roll down is easier, especially one handed. YMMV.
>AJL, 2023-12-14 16:12:
>
>> On 12/14/2023 4:10 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> AJL wrote:
>>>
>>>> The trouble with a home screen date widget FOR ME is that it's not
>>>> available when I need it. For instance when answering an email in
>>>> Gmail and I need but forgot the date. With DateBar I just look up
>>>> and read the status bar for the date and keep typing. No need to
>>>> switch screens to see a widget.
>>>
>>> Can't you just pull down the notification shade for a second to see
>>> the date, then let it go and it will spring away again?
>>
>> I can but MY phone doesn't spring back. YMMV. So let's do a lazy
>> analysis. Using the pull down shade requires I make 2 screen moves, down
>
>So what? One fling down, one up.
>
>> and back. Likewise using my old home screen day/date widget requires 2
>> moves, home button to read the widget, and the app button to get back.
>> Now lets use DateBar. Hey, no moves...
>
>But less space available in the notification area.
>
>Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
my phone... ;)
>
AJL
Dec 15, 2023, 10:57:00 AM12/15/23
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On 12/15/23 12:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>AJL, 2023-12-14 16:12:
>
>> On 12/14/2023 4:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>[...]
>>> Having the date there beside the time like "12:01 2023-12-14" or
>>> even with names like "12:01 2023 Dec 14" will leave less room for
>>> notification icons.
>>
>> I have my phone programmed to say: "Th De 14". But there are several
>> other programming options that while less abbreviated do take more
>> status bar space. I use those on my (larger status bar) tablets...
>
>No year? Maybe you forgot what year it is - and then? ;-)
I hate to admit it but yes sometimes I have to think about what year it is.
>AJL, 2023-12-14 16:12:
>
>> On 12/14/2023 4:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>[...]
>>> Having the date there beside the time like "12:01 2023-12-14" or
>>> even with names like "12:01 2023 Dec 14" will leave less room for
>>> notification icons.
>>
>> I have my phone programmed to say: "Th De 14". But there are several
>> other programming options that while less abbreviated do take more
>> status bar space. I use those on my (larger status bar) tablets...
>
>No year? Maybe you forgot what year it is - and then? ;-)
Especially in a few more weeks when I try to memorize what the new year
is...
>
>Usually I never forget what year, month or day of week it is -
kinda flow by...
>most of
>the time I would only need the date anyway.
I forget to look up. So I set the alarm in this Chrome tablet. Whatever did
old folks do when I was a kid... 8-O
AJL
Dec 15, 2023, 11:04:38 AM12/15/23
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I guess that's what the Play Store is for. To make available all the
gadgets only some of us want...
Arno Welzel
Dec 15, 2023, 12:07:43 PM12/15/23
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AJL, 2023-12-15 16:41:
> On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
[...]
of my pocket or even if I don't have any phone with me at all ;-)
> On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
>
> Good idea if BOTH date and time are on the display at the same time like on
> my phone... ;)
Exactly! And I even know the date and time without taking my phone out
>
> Good idea if BOTH date and time are on the display at the same time like on
> my phone... ;)
of my pocket or even if I don't have any phone with me at all ;-)
Alan
Dec 15, 2023, 12:10:41 PM12/15/23
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preventing someone from reading everything on his phone...
Arno Welzel
Dec 15, 2023, 12:14:03 PM12/15/23
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AJL, 2023-12-15 16:56:
> On 12/15/23 12:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
[...]
big collector bins which get emptied once a week. I never had any issue
with that.
> I forget to look up. So I set the alarm in this Chrome tablet. Whatever did
> old folks do when I was a kid... 8-O
They had a better memory ;-) Or an old school board with a manual day
indicator which you set every morning to the next day of the week.
> On 12/15/23 12:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> most of
>> the time I would only need the date anyway.
>
> How do you remember what day the garbage goes out?? DateBar doesn't help if
I don't have to. I just bring my garbage whenever I want to out to the
>> the time I would only need the date anyway.
>
> How do you remember what day the garbage goes out?? DateBar doesn't help if
big collector bins which get emptied once a week. I never had any issue
with that.
> I forget to look up. So I set the alarm in this Chrome tablet. Whatever did
> old folks do when I was a kid... 8-O
indicator which you set every morning to the next day of the week.
AJL
Dec 15, 2023, 1:15:19 PM12/15/23
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On 12/15/23 10:07 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>AJL, 2023-12-15 16:41:
>
>> On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>[...]
>>> Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
>>
>> Good idea if BOTH date and time are on the display at the same time like on
>> my phone... ;)
>
>Exactly! And I even know the date and time without taking my phone out
>of my pocket
Impressive. I suppose I could ask the wife who has such a watch. Does that
>AJL, 2023-12-15 16:41:
>
>> On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>[...]
>>> Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
>>
>> Good idea if BOTH date and time are on the display at the same time like on
>> my phone... ;)
>
>Exactly! And I even know the date and time without taking my phone out
>of my pocket
count?
> or even if I don't have any phone with me at all ;-)
But I better not mention the brand here... 8-O
Wally J
Dec 15, 2023, 1:24:06 PM12/15/23
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AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote
> There could be a phone setting for it and give the owner a choice. But then
> I guess that's what the Play Store is for. To make available all the
> gadgets only some of us want...
I agree with anyone who says something logically sensible based on facts.
Most of the functionality of Android is NOT by Google or the carrier.
But in the ability to add any gadget we want to add to our phones.
Hence, you bring up a good point about the Google Play Store repository
being there to "give us the gadgets only some of us want", where there's
another side to the advantage of the Google Play Store repository, which is
to _replace_ the gadgets that either Google or the carrier want us to use.
An example is Google might not want us to replace Chrome with Ungoogled
Chromium, and Samsung might not want us to replace their Message app with
the Google Message app, and T-Mobile might not want us to replace their
default tools with some other set of tools, etc.
And then there is what is strangely called "sideloading", which, really, is
just "normal loading" for PC operating systems, which is we can get gadgets
such as the FOSS Google Play Store app or the FOSS YouTube client app.
Thank God Android allows us to install from anywhere we want to install.
And the Google Play AV scanning works on them also (so there's low risk).
Every day Google scans your device, in addition to when you install an app.
It's a good system which prevents malware.
--
I agree with anyone who says something logically sensible based on facts.
> There could be a phone setting for it and give the owner a choice. But then
> I guess that's what the Play Store is for. To make available all the
> gadgets only some of us want...
Most of the functionality of Android is NOT by Google or the carrier.
But in the ability to add any gadget we want to add to our phones.
Hence, you bring up a good point about the Google Play Store repository
being there to "give us the gadgets only some of us want", where there's
another side to the advantage of the Google Play Store repository, which is
to _replace_ the gadgets that either Google or the carrier want us to use.
An example is Google might not want us to replace Chrome with Ungoogled
Chromium, and Samsung might not want us to replace their Message app with
the Google Message app, and T-Mobile might not want us to replace their
default tools with some other set of tools, etc.
And then there is what is strangely called "sideloading", which, really, is
just "normal loading" for PC operating systems, which is we can get gadgets
such as the FOSS Google Play Store app or the FOSS YouTube client app.
Thank God Android allows us to install from anywhere we want to install.
And the Google Play AV scanning works on them also (so there's low risk).
Every day Google scans your device, in addition to when you install an app.
It's a good system which prevents malware.
--
I agree with anyone who says something logically sensible based on facts.
Arno Welzel
Dec 15, 2023, 1:27:22 PM12/15/23
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AJL, 2023-12-15 19:15:
> On 12/15/23 10:07 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
[...]
therefore got the version without mobile radio which was cheaper) and is
already nearly 7 years old and the battery still lasts for up to four
days...
... and no, it is not an Apple product ;-)
> On 12/15/23 10:07 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> or even if I don't have any phone with me at all ;-)
>
> Same excuse. Her watch also works as a phone.
> But I better not mention the brand here... 8-O
Mine can be used as a phone too (eventhough I don't need this and
>
> Same excuse. Her watch also works as a phone.
> But I better not mention the brand here... 8-O
therefore got the version without mobile radio which was cheaper) and is
already nearly 7 years old and the battery still lasts for up to four
days...
... and no, it is not an Apple product ;-)
Alan
Dec 15, 2023, 1:39:49 PM12/15/23
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> Every day Google scans your device, in addition to when you install an app.
> It's a good system which prevents malware.
So having Google scan your device is a good thing from a privacy
> It's a good system which prevents malware.
perspective, is it?
Jeff Layman
Dec 15, 2023, 1:42:18 PM12/15/23
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On 13/12/2023 18:51, Jeff Layman wrote:
> I can do that with my phone too, but it seems two unnecessary steps.
> Surely time and date are very basic OS parameters and should be easily
> accessible on the status bar. Why just have the time but not the date?
> It would be like having a file manager which only showed the time a file
> I can do that with my phone too, but it seems two unnecessary steps.
> Surely time and date are very basic OS parameters and should be easily
> accessible on the status bar. Why just have the time but not the date?
> was created or modified, and not the date. Out of interest, does the
> date appear on an iPhone status bar (assuming it has one - or whatever
> Apple call it)?
To answer my own question, iPhone 13 and iPhone 15 are like an Android
phone. They show the time, but not the date, and it doesn't seem
possible to add it via any internal setting. Perhaps an app can do it.
--
Jeff
AJL
Dec 15, 2023, 1:42:51 PM12/15/23
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On 12/15/23 10:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>AJL, 2023-12-15 16:56:
>
>> On 12/15/23 12:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>[...]
>>> most of
>>> the time I would only need the date anyway.
>>
>> How do you remember what day the garbage goes out?? DateBar doesn't help if
>
>I don't have to. I just bring my garbage whenever I want to out to the
>big collector bins which get emptied once a week. I never had any issue
>with that.
Ah. You have an alley then? My last house had an alley with a big (4
>AJL, 2023-12-15 16:56:
>
>> On 12/15/23 12:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>[...]
>>> most of
>>> the time I would only need the date anyway.
>>
>> How do you remember what day the garbage goes out?? DateBar doesn't help if
>
>I don't have to. I just bring my garbage whenever I want to out to the
>big collector bins which get emptied once a week. I never had any issue
>with that.
neighbor) dump your garbage anytime bin. That old alley was a very very
nasty place though. Glad to be rid of it...
>> I forget to look up. So I set the alarm in this Chrome tablet. Whatever did
>> old folks do when I was a kid... 8-O
>
>They had a better memory ;-) Or an old school board with a manual day
>indicator which you set every morning to the next day of the week.
and keeps it set...
Frank Slootweg
Dec 15, 2023, 1:50:35 PM12/15/23
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[...]
> >Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
>
> Good idea if BOTH date and time are on the display at the same time like on
> my phone... ;)
Mine [1] indeed shows the date and the time, BUT it says "12/15" -
what the heck is *that* [2]? - and doesn't show the day of the week, so
I *still* have to swipe it up to show that and show "Dec 15", so I'm
assured there aren't 15 months after all! :-)
[1] Fitbit Charge 5
[2] It's app setting are set to Nederland (The Netherlands) and English,
but you can't set the date format. (But you can set Length, Weight,
Water, Energy, Temperature, etc. units. Go figure! :-(.) And on one of
the screens of the watch, it has a Dutch word ("van" instead of "of").
Did I already mention that *Google* has acquired Fitbit? :-) c.q. :-(
> >Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
>
> Good idea if BOTH date and time are on the display at the same time like on
> my phone... ;)
what the heck is *that* [2]? - and doesn't show the day of the week, so
I *still* have to swipe it up to show that and show "Dec 15", so I'm
assured there aren't 15 months after all! :-)
[1] Fitbit Charge 5
[2] It's app setting are set to Nederland (The Netherlands) and English,
but you can't set the date format. (But you can set Length, Weight,
Water, Energy, Temperature, etc. units. Go figure! :-(.) And on one of
the screens of the watch, it has a Dutch word ("van" instead of "of").
Did I already mention that *Google* has acquired Fitbit? :-) c.q. :-(
AJL
Dec 15, 2023, 2:02:47 PM12/15/23
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On 12/15/23 11:24 AM, Wally J wrote:
>AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote
>
>> There could be a phone setting for it and give the owner a choice. But then
>> I guess that's what the Play Store is for. To make available all the
>> gadgets only some of us want...
>
>I agree with anyone who says something logically sensible based on facts.
>
>Most of the functionality of Android is NOT by Google or the carrier.
>But in the ability to add any gadget we want to add to our phones.
>
>Hence, you bring up a good point about the Google Play Store repository
>being there to "give us the gadgets only some of us want", where there's
>another side to the advantage of the Google Play Store repository, which is
>to _replace_ the gadgets that either Google or the carrier want us to use.
>
>An example is Google might not want us to replace Chrome with Ungoogled
>Chromium, and Samsung might not want us to replace their Message app with
>the Google Message app, and T-Mobile might not want us to replace their
>default tools with some other set of tools, etc.
IMO Google, Samsung, and the other biggies don't care much about us
>AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote
>
>> There could be a phone setting for it and give the owner a choice. But then
>> I guess that's what the Play Store is for. To make available all the
>> gadgets only some of us want...
>
>I agree with anyone who says something logically sensible based on facts.
>
>Most of the functionality of Android is NOT by Google or the carrier.
>But in the ability to add any gadget we want to add to our phones.
>
>Hence, you bring up a good point about the Google Play Store repository
>being there to "give us the gadgets only some of us want", where there's
>another side to the advantage of the Google Play Store repository, which is
>to _replace_ the gadgets that either Google or the carrier want us to use.
>
>An example is Google might not want us to replace Chrome with Ungoogled
>Chromium, and Samsung might not want us to replace their Message app with
>the Google Message app, and T-Mobile might not want us to replace their
>default tools with some other set of tools, etc.
experimentors since we likely make up only
0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
of users. And my estimate is probably way high...
>
>And then there is what is strangely called "sideloading", which, really, is
>just "normal loading" for PC operating systems, which is we can get gadgets
>such as the FOSS Google Play Store app or the FOSS YouTube client app.
>
>Thank God Android allows us to install from anywhere we want to install.
>And the Google Play AV scanning works on them also (so there's low risk).
>
>Every day Google scans your device, in addition to when you install an app.
>It's a good system which prevents malware.
scanning right away. Wonder what Amazon thought about that...
micky
Dec 16, 2023, 12:34:43 AM12/16/23
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In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 13 Dec 2023 11:16:55 +0000, Jeff Layman
<Je...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
>problem having the time, but the date seems only available through the
>use of an app. Even then it doesn't appear to work for all phones, or
>may partly work (day of the week and date of month, but no month shown,
>or no year shown), and then might work for a while but an Android OS
>update (or manufacturer's update) messes it up.
>
>The "best" app appears to be DateBar, but it doesn't work properly in my
>Xiaomi Note 10. The month display is iffy, and trying to customise the
>month default from two letters to three doesn't work in the status bar
>(is "Ju" June or July?).
I had a date at a status bar one time, but when she met me and she saw
what drink I ordered, she said I didn't have enough status.
>Do any phone makes have the date available in the status bar by default?
<Je...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
>problem having the time, but the date seems only available through the
>use of an app. Even then it doesn't appear to work for all phones, or
>may partly work (day of the week and date of month, but no month shown,
>or no year shown), and then might work for a while but an Android OS
>update (or manufacturer's update) messes it up.
>
>The "best" app appears to be DateBar, but it doesn't work properly in my
>Xiaomi Note 10. The month display is iffy, and trying to customise the
>month default from two letters to three doesn't work in the status bar
>(is "Ju" June or July?).
I had a date at a status bar one time, but when she met me and she saw
what drink I ordered, she said I didn't have enough status.
>Do any phone makes have the date available in the status bar by default?
AJL
Dec 16, 2023, 1:12:30 AM12/16/23
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(store) around...
Jörg Lorenz
Dec 16, 2023, 5:50:19 AM12/16/23
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Am 15.12.23 um 18:07 schrieb Arno Welzel:
Things are getting really serious and quirky!
--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)
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"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)
Arno Welzel
Dec 17, 2023, 5:50:44 AM12/17/23
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Alan, 2023-12-15 19:39:
The scan is only for bad apps not for private data.
Arno Welzel
Dec 17, 2023, 5:52:38 AM12/17/23
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Stefan Ram, 2023-12-16 12:34:
> AJL <noe...@none.com> writes:
>> On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> So what? One fling down, one up.
>> Eyes roll up, eyes roll down is easier, especially one handed. YMMV.
>
> When I read a PDF file and fling down to open the notification
> shade, a part of my fling movement is invariably interpreted by
> the PDF software as a command to move (scroll) the PDF display.
> So, afterwards, I have to find the old reading position again.
This is a bug and should be reported to the maintainers of the PDF software.
> AJL <noe...@none.com> writes:
>> On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> So what? One fling down, one up.
>> Eyes roll up, eyes roll down is easier, especially one handed. YMMV.
>
> shade, a part of my fling movement is invariably interpreted by
> the PDF software as a command to move (scroll) the PDF display.
> So, afterwards, I have to find the old reading position again.
This is a bug and should be reported to the maintainers of the PDF software.
Arno Welzel
Dec 17, 2023, 5:55:06 AM12/17/23
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AJL, 2023-12-15 19:42:
> On 12/15/23 10:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> AJL, 2023-12-15 16:56:
>>
>>> On 12/15/23 12:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> most of
>>>> the time I would only need the date anyway.
>>>
>>> How do you remember what day the garbage goes out?? DateBar doesn't help if
>>
>> I don't have to. I just bring my garbage whenever I want to out to the
>> big collector bins which get emptied once a week. I never had any issue
>> with that.
>
> Ah. You have an alley then? My last house had an alley with a big (4
> neighbor) dump your garbage anytime bin. That old alley was a very very
> nasty place though. Glad to be rid of it...
No - a shed with the bins to collect the garbage of about 80 apartements
from multiple tenement house.
> On 12/15/23 10:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> AJL, 2023-12-15 16:56:
>>
>>> On 12/15/23 12:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> most of
>>>> the time I would only need the date anyway.
>>>
>>> How do you remember what day the garbage goes out?? DateBar doesn't help if
>>
>> I don't have to. I just bring my garbage whenever I want to out to the
>> big collector bins which get emptied once a week. I never had any issue
>> with that.
>
> Ah. You have an alley then? My last house had an alley with a big (4
> neighbor) dump your garbage anytime bin. That old alley was a very very
> nasty place though. Glad to be rid of it...
from multiple tenement house.
Carlos E.R.
Dec 17, 2023, 7:16:11 AM12/17/23
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Cheers, Carlos.
AJL
Dec 17, 2023, 11:17:20 AM12/17/23
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advantage over once a week collection and having to keep the bins (garbage
and recycle) in the garage as I do. The good news for me is it's a short
walk. The bad news is the garbage sometimes stinks up the garage.
>Here they come every night.
collection day. No bins. Our wild animals (mostly coyotes and birds) loved
that. As you can imagine the plastic bags didn't put up much of a
defense... 8-O
For the OT police I should mention that this highly technical post is not
garbage and was written on an Android device using an Android newsreader.
Unless you can say the same please don't add more garbage...
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