Is there a YouTube player with no ads app like AT New Pipe for Windows?

[Roy Tremblay]

Is there a YouTube player with no ads app like AT New Pipe for Windows?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.at.newpipe&hl=en

For Android, this replacement YouTube app called AT New Pipe is fantastic!
https://www.maketecheasier.com/open-source-youtube-app-android/

I've been using it on Android for about a year, where I haven't once seen
an advertisement while watching YouTube videos, and where I can watch
anything on YouTube and at the touch of a button I can download the audio
or video in the background (without all the hassle that youtubedownloaders
have).

No login. No account. No web page. No conversion.
Just watch without ads.
And just download either the audio or video or both.

All I want is the same power on Windows.

I just needed an audio soundtrack for example, on Windows, where I had to
resort to using the Android AT NewPipe app on Android to download it, and
then transfer it to Windows.

But it would be easier to use something like AT NewPipe on Windows.

I know all about the web pages and other apps and browser plugins that do a
youtube downloader action, but that's not what I'm asking for.

What I just want is exactly what AT NewPipe does for Android, but for
Windows.

Without going to a web page, it searches and plays anything on YouTube.
Without any ads ever.
Without any login ever.
And it downloads the audio or video or both at the touch of a button.

Do you know of a similar YouTube replacement for Windows that eliminates
all ads and allows pushbutton download of the video or audio?

[Roy Tremblay]

Roy Tremblay <rembla...@nlnet.nl> actually wrote:

> Is there a YouTube player with no ads app like AT New Pipe for Windows?
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.at.newpipe&hl=en

I just noticed that this open-source app in the URL above has "ads" so it's
not exactly the same one I'm using (or if it is, they changed it) since I
have never seen ads in the year I've been using it on Android.

This says someone put ads in it and uploaded it as the same name:
https://www.reddit.com/r/androidapps/comments/6czkdx/someone_put_ads_in_the_open_source_youtube_app/

My version of AT NewPipe is version 1.0 (co.at.newpipe) and I have never
seen an ad even after watching hundreds of YouTube videos.

Since mine is version 1.0, it's not the same as the F-Droid version 0.99:
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/

But anyway, this is about getting the same functionality on Windows.

Does anyone know if there is a Windows app that does these things?

Is exactly the same as the youtube app
Except there are zero ads
And zero requirement to log into anything
And it downloads any audio or video at the push of a button
This works no matter how long the audio or video is (I've done as long as
two hour videos and it just downloads them in the background with no
problem)

[John Doe]

Roy Tremblay <rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote:

> Is there a YouTube player with no ads app like AT New Pipe
> for Windows?

> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?
id=co.at.newpipe&hl=en

This (alt.comp) is for Windows desktop computers. Your post is
off-topic here. If you were talking about the Windows desktop,
the simple solution is an ad blocker for your browser.

[Piet]

In a bad mood John Doe wrote:
> Roy Tremblay wrote:
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.at.newpipe&hl=en

>
> This (alt.comp) is for Windows desktop computers. Your post is
> off-topic here. If you were talking about the Windows desktop,
> the simple solution is an ad blocker for your browser.

On my screen appeared:

<quote>

For Android, this replacement YouTube app called AT New Pipe is fantastic!
https://www.maketecheasier.com/open-source-youtube-app-android/

I've been using it on Android for about a year, where I haven't once seen
an advertisement while watching YouTube videos, and where I can watch
anything on YouTube and at the touch of a button I can download the audio
or video in the background (without all the hassle that youtubedownloaders
have).

</quote>

Sounds pretty much Androidish to me. And useful. Which justifies
the crossposting to comp.mobile.android.

-p

[Roy Tremblay]

John Doe <alway...@message.header> actually wrote:

> This (alt.comp) is for Windows desktop computers. Your post is
> off-topic here. If you were talking about the Windows desktop,
> the simple solution is an ad blocker for your browser

I must not have made myself clear.

The only reason for bringing up the Android app was to give you an example
of what I'm looking for on Windows.

I am NOT looking for an Android app (I already have that!)
I'm looking for a Windows app, just like the Android app.

And the question has nothing to do with ad blockers.
And certainly the question has nothing to do with browsers.

I understand why you misunderstood, which is why I gave the example of the
Android app - so that you would not misunderstand.

But you misunderstood anyway.
So it is my fault for not being really clear.

What I'm looking for on Windows already exists on Android.
What I'm looking for on Windows is a free YouTube Red clone.
This is not a browser.
This is not an ad blocker.

I realized most of you don't know what I'm talking about, so that's why I
gave the example of the Android app named AT New Pipe.

This is an app just like YouTube is an app.
It is free just like the YouTube app is free.
It has NO ADS just like YouTube Red (which is not free) has no ads.
It can DOWNLOAD anything you watch (which I think YouTube Red does too).
It can download video or just the audio (which is very useful).

I realize most of you are stuck in the stone age when it comes to what I'm
asking but some of you might be up on the modern tools so that's why I
risked the question.

Again, I'm not asking for a browser or an ad blocker.
I'm asking for an Application for Windows that does that the Application on
Android does.

[Roy Tremblay]

Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> actually wrote:

> Sounds pretty much Androidish to me. And useful. Which justifies
> the crossposting to comp.mobile.android.

You have a point in that the two newsgroups benefit.
Android: This is a generally useful app that everyone could use
Windows: They won't know what I'm talking about without an example

What I want is the SAME TYPE OF APP but for Windows.

Here's what my version 1.0 does:
[1] It's a YouTube Red clone, but it's for free
[2] That means it's a dedicated YouTube app (it's NOT a browser!)
[3] That means it has no ads, ever (at least version 1.0 has no ads)
[4] It downloads any number of videos in the background if you want
[5] It extracts any number of audio files from the videos in the background

If people are watching YouTube in a browser, and if they're resorting to ad
blockers (of all things!), that just means they're stuck in the stone age,
which is fine, but if they're really that far behind in technology, they'll
never be able to help me find a similar app for Windows.

The app already exists for Android (you might have to get it from F-Droid).
All I'm looking for is the same functionality for Windows.

Only people up to date on technology will be able to answer this question.

[John Doe]

Roy Tremblay <rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote:

> You have a point in that the two newsgroups benefit.
> Android: This is a generally useful app that everyone could
> use Windows: They won't know what I'm talking about without
> an example
>
> What I want is the SAME TYPE OF APP but for Windows.

Pompous assholes can't always get what they want.

> Here's what my version 1.0 does: [1] It's a YouTube Red
> clone, but it's for free [2] That means it's a dedicated
> YouTube app (it's NOT a browser!) [3] That means it has no
> ads, ever (at least version 1.0 has no ads) [4] It
> downloads any number of videos in the background if you
> want [5] It extracts any number of audio files from the
> videos in the background
>
> If people are watching YouTube in a browser, and if they're
> resorting to ad blockers (of all things!), that just means
> they're stuck in the stone age, which is fine, but if
> they're really that far behind in technology, they'll never
> be able to help me find a similar app for Windows.
>
> The app already exists for Android (you might have to get
> it from F-Droid). All I'm looking for is the same
> functionality for Windows.
>
> Only people up to date on technology will be able to answer
> this question.

I just modded my Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 from Android 4 to
Android 7. Shirley you know how to do that? Have you ever
used TWRP? When was the last time you replaced a touchscreen?

You are freaking clueless if you think that YouTube does not
belong in a browser. You probably were not yet born, but
YouTube was in browsers before smartphones/tablets
(ultraports) had a YouTube app.

Stone Age? I have made some modifications to YouTube in
Chrome that you could not do if your life depended on it.
Specifically, I removed the oversized timestamp in the
progress timebar so that the preview window would show more
of the upcoming video. That makes a big difference to a
feature that ultraports have no space for.

Your naivety and ignorance is shown by suggesting that
YouTube does not belong in a browser on a PC. That is exactly
where it belongs on a PC. Google might change that, but it
has not happened yet. YouTube is usually about two tabs in my
browser, with at least eight tabs total. They are rapidly
switched to-and-from in order to facilitate research.

Your lack of skill at using a PC is not our fault.

[John Doe]

There are times when I have a dozen or more YouTube tabs
open, when cruising movies. Shirley you can do that with a
smartphone app? YouTube does not belong in a browser? Yeah,
right. Only an ignorant moron would say that.

Freaking Hollanders. Besides wooden shoes, they are most
notable for slavery and child pornography.

[Piet]

John Doe wrote:
> Pompous assholes can't always get what they want.

Well, one thing they DO get:
*PLOINK*

-p

[crankypuss]

Agree, anytime we can use a single app across all platforms that's a bonus.
Of course given who is posting the question, one might stop and consider.
<g>

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something-or-other
Ubuntu-MATE 16.04 on xps13-9343

[crankypuss]

wireshark http stream should tell you how it's done if you end up rolling
your own.

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[Wolf K]

On 2017-07-14 03:31, Roy Tremblay wrote:
[...]

> I realize most of you are stuck in the stone age when it comes to what I'm
> asking but some of you might be up on the modern tools so that's why I
> risked the question.

[...]

What ads? I don't see any.

Oh, it must be that stone-age tool known as AdBlock.

I also use a shovel to dig up the garden But it's semi-modern, it's made
of steel.

--
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com

[Lucifer Morningstar]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 04:16:19 +0000 (UTC), Roy Tremblay
<rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote:

>Is there a YouTube player with no ads app like AT New Pipe for Windows?

There is an add-on for firefox.

>I've been using it on Android for about a year, where I haven't once seen
>an advertisement while watching YouTube videos, and where I can watch
>anything on YouTube and at the touch of a button I can download the audio
>or video in the background (without all the hassle that youtubedownloaders
>have).
>
>No login. No account. No web page. No conversion.
>Just watch without ads.
>And just download either the audio or video or both.
>
>All I want is the same power on Windows.
>
>I just needed an audio soundtrack for example, on Windows, where I had to
>resort to using the Android AT NewPipe app on Android to download it, and
>then transfer it to Windows.

youtube-dl.exe does all you want and more.

[Roy Tremblay]

John Doe <alway...@message.header> actually wrote:

> There are times when I have a dozen or more YouTube tabs
> open, when cruising movies. Shirley you can do that with a
> smartphone app? YouTube does not belong in a browser? Yeah,
> right. Only an ignorant moron would say that.

I apologize for having touched off some raw nerves simply by asking for a
Windows equivalent to a free YouTube Red clone app.

[Roy Tremblay]

John Doe <alway...@message.header> actually wrote:

> You are freaking clueless if you think that YouTube does not
> belong in a browser.

I'm sorry if I touched off a raw nerve, as misunderstandings can happen in
Usenet, so I apologize if I hurt your feelings.

I thought I had been clear in the op that a browser/adblocker solution
wasn't what I was seeking (which is why I provided the Android example of
the YouTube Red clone app by way of example).

All I'm asking is if anyone already has a YouTube Red clone in Windows.
It's not a hard question.

It's probably only hard because the app probably doesn't exist yet in
Windows, so, people are stuck in the stone age because they haven't
invented the wheel yet.

Once you use a dedicated YouTube app, especially one that stops all ads and
downloads anything at the touch of a button, you'll never want anything
else.

No need to reply unless you know of a Windows equivalent to a free YouTube
Red clone app.

[Roy Tremblay]

Wolf K <wol...@sympatico.ca> actually wrote:

> What ads? I don't see any.
>
> Oh, it must be that stone-age tool known as AdBlock.
>
> I also use a shovel to dig up the garden But it's semi-modern, it's made
> of steel.

I didn't mean to touch off hurt feelings by stating the truth that a
dedicated YouTube Red clone app has advantages over an all-in-one tool such
as a web browser when all you want to do is watch videos without ads and
download either the audio or the video.

It's the same dedicated-versus-all-in-one tool argument I could make for a
MUA versus web-based email, where the dedicated tool does the job better in
many ways than the all-in-one tool which has its own huge security issues
to deal with.

Heck, I can make the same argument for a dedicated pair of pliers over a
leatherman all-in-one tool.

The dedicated app has advantages over the browser, and the browser has huge
disadvantages that you're glossing over.

So you're only saying the good about the browser, but not the bad (and
there is plenty bad, especially since Google tracks you left and right when
you use YouTube through a browser).

But I never wanted a discussion on why using a browser for YouTube videos
is a really bad idea compared to using a dedicated YouTube Red clone app on
Windows.

All I am asking is if you know of a Windows YouTube red clone that
[1] Searches and plays any YouTube video
[2] Never ever requires a log in or account (to watch anything)
[3] Never shows ads no matter what
[4] Downloads the current video at the touch of a button
[5] Extracts and downloads the audio at the touch of a button
[6] Downloads any number of audios or videos in the background
[7] Without any effort whatsoever

Does the all-in-one browser solution do all that on Windows?

For example, how do you download any number of audio and video files in the
background using the all-in-one web browser pointed only to the YouTube web
site?

[Mayayana]

"Roy Tremblay" <rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote

| I didn't mean to touch off hurt feelings by stating the truth

:) Maybe it's your "bedside manner". You might try
something like, "My opinion..."

| For example, how do you download any number of audio and video files in
the
| background using the all-in-one web browser pointed only to the YouTube
web
| site?

Click them? I do that occasionally, when I
get fired up to listen to numerous lectures on
a similar topic. One page leads to another and
I end up getting interested in things I didn't
know existed. I'm curious about the reverse:
Without visiting the page, how did you find
all those videos that you want to watch?

[Wolf K]

It was you reference to "stuck in the stone age" that set people off.

BTW, I see no ads at all on YouTube. I do see ads on newsfeed videos
that I watch on my smartphone.



--
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com

[Rene Lamontagne]

Boy, this red clone app must be the *Holy Grail*

Rene

[Roy Tremblay]

Wolf K <wol...@sympatico.ca> actually wrote:

> It was you reference to "stuck in the stone age" that set people off.
>
> BTW, I see no ads at all on YouTube. I do see ads on newsfeed videos
> that I watch on my smartphone.

I didn't mean to ruffle feathers by repeating what I said in the op which
was that I wasn't looking for an all-in-one browser solution but that I was
looking for a dedicated free clone replacement to the YouTube Red app.

If your solution does these things on Windows, then it's a good solution:
[1] Searches & plays any YouTube video without ever needing an account
[2] Never shows an ad (even without the user having to lift a setup finger)
[3] Pushbutton background download of multiple audio or video extractions

Does your solution do those three things?

If so, can you explain your solution on Windows in more detail so that I
can reproduce your solution on Windows (but only if it does those three
things).

[Roy Tremblay]

Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> actually wrote:

> I would have thought it's silly to not download
> the video, since you may want to see it again
> later.

It was my mistake for trying to be clear that I wasn't looking for a
web-based solution. I didn't realize so many people are married to the idea
of watching video over the all-in-one HTML protocol (which has so many
disadvantages, especially when dealing with Google, that I don't even want
to list the disadvantages everyone is ignoring but which I'm sure you're
aware of).

For just one example, using the HTML protocol, how do you watch
age-restricted videos with a browser without needing an account?

> And it seems even more silly to watch on
> the smallest available screen.

That's the whole reason for asking for a Windows 10 solution!

> But that's just me.

No. That's all of us.
Portable devices have their place but the big screen is what I'm searching
for here.

> I don't typically watch cats exploring cereal boxes
> as a way to pass the time on a bus ride. For that I
> guess you need a mobile device and there's little
> sense in saving it.

Mobile devices have their place, but we already have a usable free YouTube
Red clone for Android so that's why I'm asking for the same thing, but on
Windows.

> For that matter, there's
> little sense in seeing or hearing it, so a 2" screen
> should work just fine. :) And I suppose you probably
> can't easily save it, anyway, if you're on a phone
> or tablet that's not designed to have a usable file
> system.

Here you're just dead wrong which is unusual for you to be so wrong.

What makes you think you can't save any number of videos and extracted
audio files on a phone and then access the saved files from a folder link
on your Android desktop (using ES File Explorer freeware, for example).

This thread isn't an Android question but you need to rethink that
assumption that Android doesn't have a usable file system.

> However you figure it, the Youtube video is a
> downloaded video file. It might be a straight
> download or a stream. It might be played in
> a browser, app, or video player. But it's still a
> download. That's the way the Internet works.

I know how the Internet works, and I appreciate that you do too.

The desired app needs to only do these 3 things:

[1] Searches & plays any YouTube video without ever needing an account

[2] Never shows an ad (without the user having to lift a setup finger)

[3] Pushbutton background download of multiple audio or video extractions

Does your Windows solution already do those things?
If so, I want to know how you do that.

> I suspect your Android app is essentially
> just a step-saving convenience.

I have the NewPipe version 1.0 APK (which I got off of Google Play long ago
and which doesn't seem to exist anymore) but you can read the description
of the opensource 0.99 version app here on F-Droid.
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/

Basically, the opensource NewPipe F-Droid app uses the public Google API to
do, for free, what YouTube Red does, at a cost.

> Since your
> functionality on tablets and phones is so limited,
> it makes sense to focus on convenience. The app
> probably combines a browser to do search,
> something like DownloadHelper, and functionality
> to load the video into a player. Thus, you enter
> a search term or title and the app plays it.

No. No. No.
There is no "browser", at least not in terms of a "web browser" type of
interface.

Just think of the app as a YouTube Red clone, for free.
Or better yet, think of the app as a YouTube App that does what you want it
to do, which is that it
[1] Never asks for a log in
[2] Searches for YouTube videos just like the YouTube app does
[3] Plays those YouTube videos just like the YouTube app does
[4] Plays any YouTube video you want (even age restricted stuff)
[5] Never shows an ad (without you doing anything by way of setup)
[6] Downloads those videos (any number of them, in the background)
[7] Extracts the audio (if desired), any number of them, in the bg

If you already have a solution on Windows that does that, please tell me
what it is.

> Such a one-click dummy program might be
> available for Windows but it's unlikely to be a
> big seller.

Which of the 7 items above do you think people do not want?

> With a mouse, keyboard, and a
> screen that doesn't require a magnifying glass,
> it's convenient and sensible on Windows to
> actually visit Youtube, for the various conveniences
> like seeing the list of related videos and being
> able to download the file. Using a browser on
> Windows is not a tedious affair.

I just realized, late in the game, that you think my aversion to using a
web browser is due to the fact that it's miserable to use a web browser on
a portable device.

I understand your point of view, even though that's not my reason for not
wanting to use the web browser on Android or on Windows just to watch and
download youtube videos and audio without ads.

You are correct though, that using a web browser on a portable device is
far worse than using a web browser on a PC, so I will agree with you on
that point.

But, my aversion to using a web browser to watch YouTube videos is actually
due to the fact that there are other huge disadvantages of using the HTML
protocol to stream and download and extract audio and video and to block
all ads and to block tracking (as much as possible) and to obviate the need
for an account.

Basically, a web browser is an all-in-one-tool whose HTML-based compromises
can't compete with a dedicated single-purpose tool such that a web browser
makes for a lousy video editor and just as a web browser makes for a lousy
Usenet client and just as a web browser makes for a lousy MUA and just as a
web browser makes for a lousy text editor and just as a web browser makes a
lousy photo editor and just as a web browser makes a lousy ftp file
transfer client and just as a web browser makes a lousy torrent downloader
and just as a web browser makes a lousy firewall and just as a web makes a
lousy YouTube video player, ad blocker, audio extractor, and video
downloader.

My aversion to web browsers for dedicated purposes is that a good dedicated
tool always does the job better just like a table saw does the job better
than an all-in-one drill-press-miter-saw-table-saw-radial-arm-saw-band-saw
contraption.

> In other words, what you're asking is really, "How
> can I reduce my options on Windows so that it's
> as simple as a phone?" I don't expect many people
> would want such a thing.

Actually, all I'm asking is for how you do these 3 things on Windows in the
same "app".

[1] Search for & play /any/ YouTube video without ever needing an account
[2] Never see an ad (even without the user having to lift a setup finger)
[3] Pushbutton background download of multiple audio & video extractions

[Roy Tremblay]

Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> actually wrote:

> Click them? I do that occasionally, when I
> get fired up to listen to numerous lectures on
> a similar topic. One page leads to another and
> I end up getting interested in things I didn't
> know existed.

The search on New Pipe is the same search as on the YouTube app (AFAICT).

But how do you watch age-restricted graphic-content video without needing a
log in?

And how do you extract hours-long audio at the touch of a button?
(Most web-based downloader/extractors are file-size limited and many
require a log in.)

> I'm curious about the reverse:
> Without visiting the page, how did you find
> all those videos that you want to watch?

The search on New Pipe is the same search as on the YouTube app (AFAICT).

[Roy Tremblay]

Rene Lamontagne <rla...@shaw.ca> actually wrote:

> Boy, this red clone app must be the *Holy Grail*

Actually, NewPipe has rough edges since it's just an opensource app that
circumvents a lot of Google shenanigans by using the Google public API.
https://www.maketecheasier.com/open-source-youtube-app-android/

It's goal is to clone YouTube Red, for free.
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/

The goal is to get, for free, the ability to search and watch any YouTube
video (even restricted ones) using any player you want to use without
needing to log into anything ever and to never see an ad without needing to
lift a setup finger and to also be able to download any number of any size
video (I've done hours long videos many times) and extract any number of
any size audio files in the background.

I already have all this on Android.
I'm just asking how to get the same functionality on Windows.

[Roy Tremblay]

Lucifer Morningstar <n...@for.mail> actually wrote:

> There is an add-on for firefox.

Does that Firefox addon allow you to do this on Windows?
[1] Graphically search for and watch any YouTube video
[2] (even age-restricted or graphic-content videos)
[3] using any video or audio player you want to use
[4] (without needing to log into anything ever)
[5] not even to download the software or extract the files
[6] and to never see an ad
[7] (without needing to lift a setup finger)
[8] and to also be able to download any number of videos
[9] of any size (I've done 2-hour videos many times)
[10] and extract any number of audio files
[11] also of any size (I've done 2-hour audios many times)
[12] in the background (all without javascript issues!)

I already have all this on Android.
I'm just asking how to get the same functionality on Windows.

If you have all those things on Windows, I ask you to tell us how you
accomplish that feat.

> youtube-dl.exe does all you want and more.

Thanks for that suggestion, which might work on Windows to do the job.
https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/
"youtube-dl is a command-line program to download videos from YouTube.com"

There's a user interface.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/youtube-dl-gtk/
"YouTube-DL-PyTK (formerly known as YouTube-DL-GTK) is just a graphical
launcher for the popular youtube downloader youtube-dl"

So I'm testing the combination out now.
Thanks for that suggestion which possibly fits the question!

[Roy Tremblay]

> Thanks for that suggestion which possibly fits the question!

Following up on your suggestion, here are the files I downloaded.

[1] youtube-dl.exe (github) 8.08MB
[2] YouTube-DL-PyTK_17.4.16_win64.exe 9.09MB (sourceforge)
[3] Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86)
vcredist_x86.exe 4.9MB
[x] Python (python) unknown size

I didn't download the Python because the Windows.exe says it doesn't need
Python (which it says is embedded inside the binary), and besides, the URL
pointer brought me to the main Python page where it would take too much
effort to figure out how to install Python on Windows if it's not needed.

If others want to follow in my footsteps, here is the download trail that
it took me on so far to set up a youtube video player & downloader on
Windows.

[1] The youtube-dl command line interface for Windows is somewhere here
https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html

[2] But I couldn't find anything called "youtube-dl" there

[3] And worse, that youtube-dl requires Python version 2.6, 2.7, or 3.2+

[4] Where Python can be found here
http://www.python.org/

[5] However, the Windows executable there does not require Python
youtube-dl.exe

[6] Bbecause Python is already embedded into the youtube-dl.exe binary

[7] But that Windows binary does require Microsoft Visual C++ 2010
https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=5555

[8] And, in the end, you're going to want the graphical user interface
 YouTube-DL-PyTK_17.4.16_win64.exe Graphical User Interface to
youtube-dl

[9] Which is found on sourceforge:
https://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/youtube-dl-gtk/17.4.16/YouTube-DL-PyTK_17.4.16_win64.exe

Since all I ask for is a solution, it's time to install and test out your
helpful suggestion.

[Roy Tremblay]

Roy Tremblay <rembla...@nlnet.nl> actually wrote:

> [8] And, in the end, you're going to want the graphical user interface
> YouTube-DL-PyTK_17.4.16_win64.exe Graphical User Interface to
> youtube-dl
>
> [9] Which is found on sourceforge:
> https://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/youtube-dl-gtk/17.4.16/YouTube-DL-PyTK_17.4.16_win64.exe
>
> Since all I ask for is a solution, it's time to install and test out your
> helpful suggestion.

I must have slightly misunderstood the instructions because clicking on the
youtube-dl.exe just died instantly saying:
Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: unable to load the file system codec
ImportError: No module named 'encodings'

The YouTube-DL-PyTK_17.4.16_win64.exe was an installer named
YouTube-DL-PyTK

Which, when run, asks for a "Video URL" and a "Username"
(You need to know the URL, but at least it says the Username is optional.)

So I put this 1.5 hour documentary URL into the URL field:
EINSTEIN AND QUANTUM MECHANICS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad8ColKTQew

I saw a notice that the yt-dl-pytk.exe executable accessed the network.
And there is a yt-dl-pytk.exe window showing the progress.
[youtube] Ad8ColKTQew: Downloading webpage
[youtube] Ad8ColKTQew: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] Ad8ColKTQew: Extracting video information
[youtube] Ad8ColKTQew: Downloading MPD manifest
WARNING: Requested formats are incompatible for merge and will be
merged into mkv.
[download] Destination: C:\...\EINSTEIN AND QUANTUM MECHANICS _ Quantum Physics documentary-Ad8ColKTQew.f136.mp4
[download] Destination: C:\...\EINSTEIN AND QUANTUM MECHANICS _ Quantum Physics documentary-Ad8ColKTQew.f136.mp4
[download] 100% of 714.91MiB in 15:24
[download] Destination: C:\...\EINSTEIN AND QUANTUM MECHANICS _ Quantum Physics documentary-Ad8ColKTQew.f251.webm
[download] 100% of 83.39MiB in 03:53
[ffmpeg] Merging formats into "C:\...\EINSTEIN AND QUANTUM MECHANICS _Quantum Physics documentary-Ad8ColKTQew.mkv"
Deleting original file C:\...\EINSTEIN AND QUANTUM MECHANICS _ Quantum Physics documentary-Ad8ColKTQew.f136.mp4 (pass -k to keep)
Deleting original file C:\...\Desktop\EINSTEIN AND QUANTUM MECHANICS _ Quantum Physics documentary-Ad8ColKTQew.f251.webm (pass -k to keep)

And then a green form popped up:
YouTube-DL-PyTK 17.4.16
SUCCESS!!
Video has been successfully downloaded to your desktop,
thank you for using YouTube-DL-PyTK!
EINSTEIN AND QUANTUM MECHANICS _ Quantum Physics documentary-Ad8ColKTQew.mkv 797M

While this tool is nice, and in fact,this is actually very nice (and
useful!), it still doesn't solve the original question.

[Andy Burns]

Roy Tremblay wrote:

> I didn't realize so many people are married to the idea
> of watching video over the all-in-one HTML protocol

It would be nit-picking to point out that it's the http protocol, rather
than html which is relevant, IKWYM. But AFAIK http/https is the *only*
method that has ever been available to view YouTube ...

[Frank Slootweg]

John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:
[...]

> Pompous assholes can't always get what they want.

The irony!

[...]

[Frank Slootweg]

John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:
[...]

> Freaking Hollanders. Besides wooden shoes, they are most
> notable for slavery and child pornography.

If you looked a little bit closely, you should/could have spotted that
he's not a Dutchman (but just our resident nym-shifter)

> From: John Doe <alway...@message.header>

I did. *And*!?

[Roy Tremblay]

Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> actually wrote:

> It would be nit-picking to point out that it's the http protocol, rather
> than html which is relevant, IKWYM. But AFAIK http/https is the *only*
> method that has ever been available to view YouTube ...

Good point where I appreciate the correction.
Presumably then the YouTube app uses the HTTP protocol?

[Mayayana]

"Roy Tremblay" <rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote

| > I would have thought it's silly to not download
| > the video, since you may want to see it again
| > later.
|
| It was my mistake for trying to be clear that I wasn't looking for a
| web-based solution. I didn't realize so many people are married to the
idea
| of watching video over the all-in-one HTML protocol (which has so many
| disadvantages, especially when dealing with Google, that I don't even want
| to list the disadvantages everyone is ignoring but which I'm sure you're
| aware of).
|

I'm not because I've never watched a video "over
HTML protocol". I figure that if I can't download it
then it can't be that important. I'm not going to
be stuck viewing a stream. But either way, the
video is *always* cpoming over HTML. That was
my point. Your app is just combining steps into
a convenient automation.

| > For that matter, there's
| > little sense in seeing or hearing it, so a 2" screen
| > should work just fine. :) And I suppose you probably
| > can't easily save it, anyway, if you're on a phone
| > or tablet that's not designed to have a usable file
| > system.
|
| Here you're just dead wrong which is unusual for you to be so wrong.
|
| What makes you think you can't save any number of videos and extracted
| audio files on a phone and then access the saved files from a folder link
| on your Android desktop (using ES File Explorer freeware, for example).
|

If you can then yes, I am wrong. Then you
can transfer those via a USB cord, say, to get
them off the phone? That's more functional than
I would have guessed.

In my limited experience I've found tablets
frustrating and don't use computer phones.

When I once visited an Apple church with a
friend to look at iPads I asked the clerk about
access to the file system. He looked at me
blankly. I tried to explain. After some searching
he finally replied that there was, indeed, an app
for that. It's called Explorer. :)

| The desired app needs to only do these 3 things:
| [1] Searches & plays any YouTube video without ever needing an account
| [2] Never shows an ad (without the user having to lift a setup finger)
| [3] Pushbutton background download of multiple audio or video extractions
|
| Does your Windows solution already do those things?
| If so, I want to know how you do that.

I don't know if my method is quite so sleek, but
it seems to do about the same thing. I go to
Youtube with Firefox or Pale Moon. I click Download
Helper. I download the video to the desktop. I've never
heard of needing an account. Though there are some
videos that won't download.

I don't follow the idea of background download. I
can choose a number of videos and DH will get
them all, but you seem to be doing something like
coming up with a list before you start. I don't
understand the process you're using that "background
download" is so important. I could see it with something
like a teenager who wants every Taylor Swift hit,
and has found a list to feed into the downloader.
Personally, I can't remember ever having a list of
things I want.

|
| Just think of the app as a YouTube Red clone, for free.

I'm not familiar with that. I did a search and find Red is
a subscription service, apparently to avoid Youtube ads?
I've never seen an ad on Youtube, but I guess I'm also
not a typical visitor. I mostly go for things like lectures.
I don't watch movies over the computer and never listen
to music by choice. Maybe if I did those things I'd want
something like Red.

| [1] Never asks for a log in

Check. I don't even enable javascript or cookies.

| [2] Searches for YouTube videos just like the YouTube app does

Check. Duckduckgo does it for me. :)

| [3] Plays those YouTube videos just like the YouTube app does

I don't know from youtube app, but once
they're downloaded I can play as I like, with
VLC.

| [4] Plays any YouTube video you want (even age restricted stuff)

Youtube has porn? I think you've got me there.
I do occasionally find videos I can't download.
The most common seems to be current, popular
pop music, which seems to be presented by a
music company that's only nominally going
through Youtube.

| [5] Never shows an ad (without you doing anything by way of setup)

Check.

| [6] Downloads those videos (any number of them, in the background)

Check.

| [7] Extracts the audio (if desired), any number of them, in the bg
|

I think VLC can do that, but I've never had reason
to try.

| If you already have a solution on Windows that does that, please tell me
| what it is.
|

It appears that Download Helper does all that but
does not get *any* video. The ones presented by
VEVO are an example. As noted above, I suspect
those videos are not even on Youtube but are
rather streaming from elsewhere and only use
Youtube for exposure.
Here's an example of one I can't get. I figured Taylor
Swift would be blocked. They didn't let me down. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuNIsY6JdUw

| > Such a one-click dummy program might be
| > available for Windows but it's unlikely to be a
| > big seller.
|
| Which of the 7 items above do you think people do not want?
|

I don't want search. I have Duckduckgo for that.
Then I can visit Youtube pages andbe presented
with similar video links. Why have a special program
just to search Youtube? I don't even use Youtube
to search Youtube. The page works poorly and the
results are not great.

I appreciate your patience here, though. Since I
don't use computer phones or tablets, you may be
operating in a world that I'm just not grasping.

[Andy Burns]

Roy Tremblay wrote:

> Presumably then the YouTube app uses the HTTP protocol?

Yes, back in the day a single video was a single file to download,
buffering a certain amount before starting playing, then hoping it kept up.

Now each video is split into segments a few seconds long, in various
resolutions, framerates and encodings, your browser (or app) downloads
them in sequence and stitches them together, quite likely passing the
encoded video to your GPU to actually render it, it can swap resolution
"mid stream" if you resize your browser window, or switch e.g. from fast
wifi to slow 3G connection, but it all comes via http:

[Mayayana]

"Roy Tremblay" <rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote

| > I'm curious about the reverse:
| > Without visiting the page, how did you find
| > all those videos that you want to watch?
|

I start at duckduckgo. Say I wanted lectures by
Bill Gates. (Bear with me. This is just an example. :)
So I search duckduckgo for "Bill Gates youtube". When
I get hits I go to those pages. Along the right are
lists of suggestions that I might like:

Bill Gates solves all problems (3:22)
Bill Gates explains his amazing genius (1:32:54)
Bill Gates knows more about education than anyone (4:22:12)
Bill Gates explains things he doesn't even know about (27:12:44)
Bill and Melinda in Africa (22:31)
Bill and Warren play cards and gloat over their amazingness (44:21)

Each page will have different lists, as you probably
know. So it's usually not long before I'm overwhelmed
with knowledge lust, greedily clicking links for yet
more videos. (And the great part is that none of
them actually features the wisdom of Bill Gates. :)

| The search on New Pipe is the same search as on the YouTube app (AFAICT).

I've never had much luck with Youtube search.

[Roy Tremblay]

Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> actually wrote:

>| The search on New Pipe is the same search as on the YouTube app (AFAICT).
> I've never had much luck with Youtube search.

I guess we can agree that the search inside of YouTube stinks, but it's
"good enough" for watching YouTube documentaries of interest (which is
pretty much all that I watch despite GoodGuy's perverse accusations borne
out of his own sick mind.

What's scary is that people like GoodGuy actually exist.
They can't contribute one iota of value.

They suck all the value out of a conversation, and bring it down (way down)
to their level.

> Each page will have different lists, as you probably
> know. So it's usually not long before I'm overwhelmed
> with knowledge lust, greedily clicking links for yet
> more videos. (And the great part is that none of
> them actually features the wisdom of Bill Gates. :)

Well, to be fair, the search on a browser is more powerful in that it has
the "not" and the "or" and the "and" feature, whereas the search inside the
New Pipe app is just a rudimentary search, but, like you, I type
"ultraviolet catastrophe" for example, in New Pipe, where what I end up
listening to is interesting things about "blackbox radiation" along with
"string theory" and "quantum mechanics" and "Neils Bohr" and "Werner
Heisenberg" all at the same time.

Anyway, I'll take it as a fact that none of you have, on Windows, the
capability we all have on Android, which is an app that does what the
YouTube Red app does, but for free.

Nonetheless, the technical suggestion by Lucifer Morningstar worked out to
do one of the many things that the New Pipe app does, so, from that
standpoint, it was a successful quest.

If ever, in the future, an app is written for Windows that does the
following dozen things that New Pipe already does, let me know! Thanks.

[1] Search for and watch any YouTube video
[2] Using either the native (built-in) AV player
[3] Or using any video or audio player you want it to
[4] (without needing to ever log into an account)
[5] and to never see an advertisement ever!
[5] Whether in the app itself or in the video playing inside the app
[7] (without ever needing to lift a setup finger or maintain ad blockers)

[8] and to also be able to download any number of videos

[9] of any length (I've done 2-hour documentary videos many times)

[10] and extract any number of audio files

[11] also of any size (I've done 2-hour audio lectures many times)
[12] all downloaded in the background (& without needing javascript!)

[Roy Tremblay]

Thank you for clarifying that even the YouTube Red, YouTube App, and
NewPipe apps use the HTTP protocol for interfacing with the YouTube domain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL6D_XcaB04

My main reason for disliking a browser is, not so much as Mayayana said, to
improve upon the substandard user experience on small mobile devices, but
more because the POWER just isn't ever going to be in a multi-use tool as
compared to a well-written single-use tool.
https://ausdroid.net/2016/02/17/newpipe-a-youtube-downloading-app/

A classic example is a IMAP/SMTP client or an NNTP client where few people
could seriously assert that the multi-use HTTP-based browser is in any way
better at doing the single task at hand than the MUA or news client.
https://newpipe.fileplanet.com/apk

Even the multiple-use MUA/news clients suffer (such as Thunderbird) from
trying to do too much and nothing well.
http://techwiser.com/play-youtube-videos-in-background-android/

That's a long-winded way of saying that a dedicated YouTube browsing,
playing, searching, downloading, and audio-extraction app is almost always
going to provide more appropriate functionality, that a web browser ever
will, all without the issues associated with the disconcerting browser
privacy and security flaws that you and I are already familiar with.

In short, there doesn't appear to be an app for Windows that does what the
New Pipe app does for Android. At least nobody has come up with one yet.

Here's GitHub NewPipe source code for those interested in testing it out.
https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe (https://github.com/912d/NewPipe)

[John Doe]

Rene Lamontagne <rla...@shaw.ca> wrote:

Apparently it thinks so. But seeking it has not even occurred
to me. Doing the Internet on a smartphone is horribly
restrictive.

Sounds like it has never even used a PC.

[John Doe]

This troll sounds like it has never even used a PC,
and it is acting like a Guru...

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[Roy Tremblay]

John Doe <alway...@message.header> actually wrote:

>> Boy, this red clone app must be the *Holy Grail*
>
> Apparently it thinks so. But seeking it has not even occurred
> to me. Doing the Internet on a smartphone is horribly
> restrictive.

It's a very simple app where the biggest value is that you never see an
advertisement, and you can download the video if you like, or the audio, or
just watch it using any player you want.

Here's a quick look: https://newpipe.schabi.org
Here's another: https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/

I'm pretty sure you don't have the power but if you don't need that power,
then you don't have high expectations, that's all.

There's nothing wrong with you having low expectations.
This thread just isn't for you.

[John Doe]

Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> If you looked a little bit closely, you should/could have
> spotted that he's not a Dutchman (but just our resident
> nym-shifter)

If the nym-shifting troll sticks around the Windows group, I
will frequently spot it.

I suppose it is one of an increasing number of
smartphone/tablet users that have never even used a PC.
Another clueless invasion of USENET.

[John Doe]

Nym-shifting troll from the Android group...

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> Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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[Roy Tremblay]

Alek <alek.t...@gmail.com> actually wrote:

> After all the hoo-hah, I logged in to Google Play Store and searched for
> YouTube Red
>
> Didn't come up with anything that looked like what you describe.
>
> I'm running Android 7.1.1 on a OnePlus 3T.

It's great that there are intelligent people like you are who want to know
what it is that we're talking about.

I don't use YouTube Red (because I get it for free, which is what this
thread is all about), but quick google shows YouTube Red has been around
since 2015, so I'll reference the following links for folks to read up on.

https://www.youtube.com/red
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_Red

Official YouTube Blog: Meet YouTube Red, the ultimate YouTube experience
https://youtube.googleblog.com/2015/10/red.html

Everything you need to know about YouTube Red
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/youtube-red-details/

YouTube Red, A $9.99 Site-Wide Ad-Free Subscription With Play Music,
Launches Oct 28 2015
https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/21/youtube-red/

YouTubers Are Up In Arms About YouTube Red
http://gizmodo.com/youtubers-are-up-in-arms-about-youtube-red-1738022087

[John Doe]

I just searched the Internet for (YouTube red clone on
android) and got nothing related to this nym-shifting troll's
claim.

Has anyone in the Android group used the alleged "YouTube Red
clone" application?

My guess is... The nym-shifting troll is making up stuff and
then expecting it be on a PC (that he has no skill to use).

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[Alek]

Roy Tremblay wrote on 7/14/2017 8:17 PM:
>
> I don't use YouTube Red (because I get it for free <snip>)

Can I get it for free too?

[Rene Lamontagne]

Any Idiot that likes to watch YouTube videos on a miniature phone screen
is totally unwrapped.

Rene

[Mayayana]

"Roy Tremblay" <rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote

| What's scary is that people like GoodGuy actually exist.
| They can't contribute one iota of value.
|

Exactly. So they should be ignored or blocked.
Answering his posts just adds more of his posts
to the group.

[Roy Tremblay]

Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> actually wrote:

>| What's scary is that people like GoodGuy actually exist.
>| They can't contribute one iota of value.
>|
>
> Exactly. So they should be ignored or blocked.
> Answering his posts just adds more of his posts
> to the group.

True. But he is seriously scary in his admitted stalking behavior and in
the perverse workings of his own mind, creepily visible to anyone who reads
what he wrote in this thread, all of which was borne solely out of his own
twisted thought processes.

What he needs is professional help, so I pray that he gets it soon before
he hurts more people in his life.

[Roy Tremblay]

John Doe <alway...@message.header> actually wrote:

> I just searched the Internet for (YouTube red clone on
> android) and got nothing related to this nym-shifting troll's
> claim.
>
> Has anyone in the Android group used the alleged "YouTube Red
> clone" application?
>
> My guess is... The nym-shifting troll is making up stuff and
> then expecting it be on a PC (that he has no skill to use).

To the troll who goes by the nym of John Doe.

You are a troll based on the purposeful lack of any value in everything you
post. The three similarly purposefully zero-value repeated trolls in this
ng are
[1] John Doe (always spews forth drivel that only a troll would write)
[2] Frank Slootweg (is often smart - but has only trolled in this thread)
[3] Good Guy (makes stalkingly creepy & frighteningly sick accusations)

If you can't find the URL you say you seek, then you missed it in a
half-dozen posts in this thread in that multiple descriptions of and
download URLs for NewPipe was posted a half dozen times already.

Here's just one, repeated, yet again, just for you.
https://newpipe.schabi.org

If you don't know how to install an app from any repository, then it's time
you learned that rudimentary skill, but this isn't the thread for that ...
so, if you're still having trouble with the simplest of things Android,
just ask away in a separate thread on the Android ng if you need help
enabling non-Google repositories.

[Roy Tremblay]

Alek <alek.t...@gmail.com> actually wrote:

>> I don't use YouTube Red (because I get it for free <snip>)
>
> Can I get it for free too?

The download URL for NewPipe was posted a half dozen times already:
https://newpipe.schabi.org

If you don't know how to download from any repository, then it's time you
learned that skill, but this isn't the thread for that ... so, ask away in

a separate thread on the Android ng if you need help enabling non-Google
repositories.

http://www.android.pk/blog/tutorials/how-to-enable-third-party-apps-installation-on-android-phones/
Step 1  Go to Settings.
Step 2  Go to Security.
Step 3  Scroll down and check ¨Unknown sources〃 box.
Step 4  Tap ˉOK〃 when it show the warning.
All Done, Now you can install 3rd party Apps through APK files on your
device with Android 4.0+ OS.

[Roy Tremblay]

Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> actually wrote:

> I'm not because I've never watched a video "over
> HTML protocol". I figure that if I can't download it
> then it can't be that important. I'm not going to
> be stuck viewing a stream. But either way, the
> video is *always* cpoming over HTML. That was
> my point. Your app is just combining steps into
> a convenient automation.

Andy Burns confirmed what you are saying, so I appreciate the technical
correction that, even with a dedicated YouTube clone, it's still using the
HTTP protocol.

Here's the writeup, by the way, for NewPipe features:
https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/org.schabi.newpipe

> If you can then yes, I am wrong. Then you
> can transfer those via a USB cord, say, to get
> them off the phone? That's more functional than
> I would have guessed.

I only seek the absolute finest technical solutions out there, so, when I
say NewPipe is good (albeit with rough edges), you can trust that it has
value over the solution that most people are using has.

Most people can't think out of the box, so, they do whatever the herd is
doing, whereas I try to find a technical solution that is overwhelmingly
better than the solution everyone else is using.

The opensource NewPipe app is so good that, on a mobile device, you'll
never watch a youtube video using a web browser or the youtube app ever
again.

However, I should also set your expectations that this open-source youtube
red clone is not at all flashy nor polished like the YouTube app is.

> In my limited experience I've found tablets
> frustrating and don't use computer phones.

Without a mobile device to experiment with, you miss out on a lot of useful
tools that are on Android (not so many on iOS, which is more primitive in
functionality) and which are not on Windows.

But that's the topic of a different technical discussion.

> When I once visited an Apple church with a
> friend to look at iPads I asked the clerk about
> access to the file system. He looked at me
> blankly. I tried to explain. After some searching
> he finally replied that there was, indeed, an app
> for that. It's called Explorer. :)

Actually, I'm told Apple will release a rudimentary file system explorer
with the next iOS release but I don't know any more than that about it.

> I don't know if my method is quite so sleek, but
> it seems to do about the same thing. I go to
> Youtube with Firefox or Pale Moon. I click Download
> Helper. I download the video to the desktop. I've never
> heard of needing an account. Though there are some
> videos that won't download.

To be fair, I have power that you don't have, because I use New Pipe, and
you don't. :)

For example, I haven't yet found a documentary that wouldn't download with
NewPipe, and what I like best is that I only want to listen to the audio,
so, what I have that you don't have (but you may not need it) is the
ability to download the extracted audio (which I listen to with the screen
blanked).

And besides not needing Google Play or even the Google Framework running,
it doesn't need Flash or Javascript or any of those horridly insecure
implementations that web browsers are forced to use.

Even better, never once have I even seen the hint of an ad, in the year or
so that I've been using New Pipe, version 1.0.

So, in the end, I have a better user experience than you do, but we both
would prefer it to be on the "big screen", which is why I had asked here
for an implementation on Windows.

> I don't follow the idea of background download. I
> can choose a number of videos and DH will get
> them all, but you seem to be doing something like
> coming up with a list before you start. I don't
> understand the process you're using that "background
> download" is so important. I could see it with something
> like a teenager who wants every Taylor Swift hit,
> and has found a list to feed into the downloader.
> Personally, I can't remember ever having a list of
> things I want.

If your method downloads any number of videos or extracts any number of
audio files out of videos in the background, then you already have the same
functionality that I have.

I don't think the native YouTube app can do any of that though, so, the
ability to download any video or audio in the background off of YouTube
mostly applies to that.

The way I use it is I type something I am interested in, e.g., "quantum
entanglement", and up pops in the YouTube-app-like NewPipe GUI a dozen
documentaries on the topic, where I click on those of interest, and they
download while I'm watching or listening to one of the choices.

It's all about gaining the most efficiency and power out of the equipment,
with the fewest hassles (eliminating ads, and login prompts and poorly
designed methods such as javascript and cookies).

>| Just think of the app as a YouTube Red clone, for free.
>
> I'm not familiar with that. I did a search and find Red is
> a subscription service, apparently to avoid Youtube ads?

I'm not sure exactly what's in YouTube Red, but NewPipe's stated goal is to
provide a clone of YouTube Red, in an opensource free tool.

I'm sure you already know that only the fools out there pay for what is
legally available to them for free. There are plenty of fools out there, to
be sure - but I prefer not to be one of them.

> I've never seen an ad on Youtube, but I guess I'm also
> not a typical visitor. I mostly go for things like lectures.

I love the MIT lecture series!
And TED talks.

> I don't watch movies over the computer and never listen
> to music by choice. Maybe if I did those things I'd want
> something like Red.

If you ever feel the urge to purchase YouTube Red, just use NewPipe for a
while and you won't have that need anymore since YouTube Red (AFAIK)
doesn't provide any value that you can't get, legally, for free, without
it.

If only NewPipe functionality were on Windows, then we'd have the big
screen best of all worlds though.

That's the sole purpose of this thread - to find NewPipe functionality, on
Windows.

Here's what NewPipe does.
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/
Website: https://newpipe.schabi.org
Issue Tracker: https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe/issues
Source Code: https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe
Changelog: https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe/releases

>| [1] Never asks for a log in
>
> Check. I don't even enable javascript or cookies.

Good. You're not stupid.
Enabling flash, javascript, or cookies is just downright dumb.
Logging into any Google-anything is also just plain dumb.

There are so many morons out there who don't know the slightest thing of
what we're talking about, that it's sad that they're allowed to vote.

>| [2] Searches for YouTube videos just like the YouTube app does
>
> Check. Duckduckgo does it for me. :)

The DDG search is just fine for finding YouTube videos, I agree.

The problem using DDG on a mobile device is, as you already said, the
browser experience on a mobile device is atrocious compared to that on the
"big screen".

>| [3] Plays those YouTube videos just like the YouTube app does
>
> I don't know from youtube app, but once
> they're downloaded I can play as I like, with
> VLC.

Same thing, in the end.
If you had a thousand videos in VLC, that's pretty much what it's like
playing videos in New Pipe.

The one difference you don't have is easy pushbutton extraction of the
audio, but if you don't need that, then it's not an advantage lost.

I use the audio extraction to listen to documentatires in the background or
to listen to MIT lectures with the screen blanked, although there are other
ways to do that too.

>| [4] Plays any YouTube video you want (even age restricted stuff)
>
> Youtube has porn? I think you've got me there.

Heh heh heh ... I hope your mind isn't as filthy as is GoodGuy's creepy
mind!

I don't think YouTube has anything illegal, or even legal such as porn
probably is in most countries.

What I mean by age-restricted YouTube content is that I've sometimes been
reading a news story, say there is a car accident or a security camera
capture of a crime, and if you watch that with a browser, YouTube sometmies
requires you to log in to "prove" you're old enough to watch graphic
content.

Think Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake with the Superbowl nipple slip,
for example. That kind of stuff is what I was talking about. Or a security
footage of a robbery gone awry, or whatever YouTube uses as the criteria to
make it age restricted.

I don't have a google account, so I can't log in to see those YouTube
videos that require a login, but I haven't seen that requirement with
NewPipe.

> I do occasionally find videos I can't download.

Most people can only find the common solution, which, I've found over time,
is usually limited in what it can do. So far though, this NewPipe solution
doesn't have any drawbacks as to the videos that can be downloaded.

> The most common seems to be current, popular
> pop music, which seems to be presented by a
> music company that's only nominally going
> through Youtube.

If you give me a URL, I will let you know if NewPipe can download the video
and/or extract the audio from those special sites you speak of.

> It appears that Download Helper does all that but
> does not get *any* video. The ones presented by
> VEVO are an example. As noted above, I suspect
> those videos are not even on Youtube but are
> rather streaming from elsewhere and only use
> Youtube for exposure.

I must repeat that any download helper just does a small portion of what
I'm speaking about - and worse - anything using a browser is already a
flawed solution (for the reasons we've already stated).|

We don't need to belabor that point though, as the Python-based
VisualC++-based .NET-based test suggested by Lucifer Morningstart that I
tested and reported on earlier did successfully download a 1-1/2 hour
Einstein documentary without issue.

> Here's an example of one I can't get. I figured Taylor
> Swift would be blocked. They didn't let me down. :)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuNIsY6JdUw

On Windows, I pasted that URL into the Python youtube downloader that
Lucifer Morningstart suggested, where it errored out with the following
errors.

[youtube] VuNIsY6JdUw: Downloading webpage
[youtube] VuNIsY6JdUw: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] VuNIsY6JdUw: Extracting video information
ERROR: Signature extraction failed: Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"C:\Users\Marcus\Desktop\YouTube-DL-PyTK\youtube_dl\extractor\youtube.py",
line 1081, in _decrypt_signature
File
"C:\Users\Marcus\Desktop\YouTube-DL-PyTK\youtube_dl\extractor\youtube.py",
line 969, in _extract_signature_function
youtube_dl.utils.ExtractorError: Cannot identify player
'https://www.youtube.com/yts/jsbin/player-vflL_WLGI/en_US/base.js'; please
report this issue on https://yt-dl.org/bug . Make sure you are using the
latest version; type youtube-dl -U to update. Be sure to call youtube-dl
with the --verbose flag and include its complete output.
(caused by ExtractorError("Cannot identify player
'https://www.youtube.com/yts/jsbin/player-vflL_WLGI/en_US/base.js'; please
report this issue on https://yt-dl.org/bug . Make sure you are using the
latest version; type youtube-dl -U to update. Be sure to call youtube-dl
with the --verbose flag and include its complete output.",)); please report
this issue on https://yt-dl.org/bug . Make sure you are using the latest
version; type youtube-dl -U to update. Be sure to call youtube-dl with
the --verbose flag and include its complete output.

>|> Such a one-click dummy program might be
>|> available for Windows but it's unlikely to be a
>|> big seller.
>|
>| Which of the 7 items above do you think people do not want?
>|
> I don't want search. I have Duckduckgo for that.
> Then I can visit Youtube pages andbe presented
> with similar video links. Why have a special program
> just to search Youtube? I don't even use Youtube
> to search Youtube. The page works poorly and the
> results are not great.

I see your point, which is reasonable.
If you don't even use a youtube app to search youtube, then you won't see
the advantage of searching youtube with a youtube red clone! :)

The main advantage this method has over yours is that it extracts audio and
your method doesn't - but you can get audio easily using a conversion
problem, so in the end, you can always get what you need.

> I appreciate your patience here, though. Since I
> don't use computer phones or tablets, you may be
> operating in a world that I'm just not grasping.

On a mobile device, the main advantage of NewPipe is that the YouTube App
displays ads, and the YouTube app doesn't allow downloading of both audio
and video.

On a windows device, it would be nice to have the same functionality as we
have on Android, where the lack of ad display is probably harder to come by
than the lack of video download or audio extraction is.

[John Doe]

NewPipe looks like something usable on a tablet or
smartphone, but, besides viewing restricted videos without
signing in to Google... YouTube functionality in Chrome far
exceeds NewPipe. One of the most valuable assets when
cruising movies or doing research on YouTube is "Ratings
Preview". It is EXTREMELY useful to avoid wasting time. Video
Speed Controller is another very useful YouTube plug-in for
Chrome. Smartpause helps too, when switching between multiple
YouTube tabs in Chrome. Looks like there are no comments
sections in NewPipe, that makes it pretty much useless on a
PC for me anyway.

Viewing YouTube without signing in is no big deal, even if
you need access to restricted videos since Google's
censorship is verifiably random. There are jillions of
R-rated and even some hard-core X-rated movies viewable on
YouTube without signing in. Noone who has normal PC access to
the Internet would rely on YouTube for porn anyway.

The main purpose for my smartphone is email notifications. So
I am always signed into Google anyway.

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[Roy Tremblay]

John Doe <alway...@message.header> actually wrote:

> NewPipe looks like something usable on a tablet or
> smartphone, but, besides viewing restricted videos without
> signing in to Google... YouTube functionality in Chrome far
> exceeds NewPipe.

I must say that it's surprising that this response is actually adding value
to the conversation, so I commend you for that and respond accordingly.

What NewPiple "mostly" accomplishes on an Android device is it completley
eliminates all forms of ads without any setup whatsoever. If you can
accomplish a complete and total elimination of all forms of ads using
"youtube on Chrome" in Android, then that's fantastic for you.

What else NewPipe accomplishes of import is that it downloads video and/or
extracts audio out of YouTube content, so, again, if your Chrome solution
accomplishes both those tasks with pushbutton ease (if you need them), then
that's fantastic for you.

Another thing NewPipe accomplishes is that there is never a need to enable
javascript or flash or HTML5 to enable cookies or to log into a youtube
account. Again, if you can watch youtube videos without enabling javascript
or flash or cookies, all the power to you.

I realize all these things may not be important to you, which is fine, but
these are all important to me - and that's why NewPipe is a preferred
solution over Chrome on an Android device.

In addition, Mayayana correctly explained that the browser interface on an
Android device is typically substandard, compared to a dedicated app such
as either the YouTube or the NewPipe app (although the NewPipe app itself
has rough edges as much as the YouTube app is slick marketing).

> One of the most valuable assets when
> cruising movies or doing research on YouTube is "Ratings
> Preview". It is EXTREMELY useful to avoid wasting time. Video
> Speed Controller is another very useful YouTube plug-in for
> Chrome. Smartpause helps too, when switching between multiple
> YouTube tabs in Chrome. Looks like there are no comments
> sections in NewPipe, that makes it pretty much useless on a
> PC for me anyway.

This is a valuable and interesting point, in that you're bringing up
concerns which didn't show up until now, and which are perfectly valid.

I grant you that I, personally, since I never log into anything, don't rate
or comment on YouTube videos, so, the lack of this feature in NewPipe would
not concern me.

But I acknowledge that you bring up a valuable shortcoming in NewPipe for
someone who wants this "comment" & "rating" feature and who is willing to
log into a YouTube web page to leave that comment or rating.

> Viewing YouTube without signing in is no big deal, even if
> you need access to restricted videos since Google's
> censorship is verifiably random.

I never quite understood why or what google was attempting to accomplish by
making Janet Jackson's nipples restricted content, especially when anyone
can create an account without proving their age. All they do is prove they
can count backward by 18 years numerically to insert a bogus birthdate.

So, the restricted content prohibition isn't really all that big of a deal
either way (except to Good Guy, whose filthy mind makes him conjure up
completely fabricated wholly self-concocted stories of child pedophilia
rings in the Isles of Britain).

> There are jillions of
> R-rated and even some hard-core X-rated movies viewable on
> YouTube without signing in. Noone who has normal PC access to
> the Internet would rely on YouTube for porn anyway.

I didn't know this, and I'm actually surprised, since Google can easily
control the content - but it's really only a point that Good Guy cares
about so I'll take your word for it here.

> The main purpose for my smartphone is email notifications. So
> I am always signed into Google anyway.

This is a good point. I don't have a Google Play account, nor do I have any
Google services running if I can help it, but I realize that most people
aren't as prudent as I am with their personal data on a smart phone.

I should note that you can still be signed into your email account, using
an email program (K9 perhaps?) that sends login informatoin to Google
IMAP/SMPT servers, and not have a Google Play account.

Point is that there's no need for a Google Play account on Android if you
don't want one, where you can still get your email without being logged in
to a Google Play account.

Thank you for bringing up valuable relevant points in your post.

[Andy Burns]

Roy Tremblay wrote:

> My main reason for disliking a browser is, not so much as Mayayana said, to
> improve upon the substandard user experience on small mobile devices, but
> more because the POWER just isn't ever going to be in a multi-use tool as
> compared to a well-written single-use tool.

Agreed there are some features in the app (e.g. the double tap at left
or right edges to FF/REW by a few seconds) which work well in a tablet,
and you have to use keyboard shortcuts (arrow keys, or I/J) on a PC.

But there are other features (e.g. faster or slower playback rates)
which don't seem to exist at all in the app, and which are useful for
certain videos that drag on a bit, and you don't have all day to watch.

[John Doe]

Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Roy Tremblay wrote:
>
>> My main reason for disliking a browser is, not so much as
>> Mayayana said, to improve upon the substandard user
>> experience on small mobile devices, but more because the
>> POWER just isn't ever going to be in a multi-use tool as
>> compared to a well-written single-use tool.
>
> Agreed there are some features in the app (e.g. the double
> tap at left or right edges to FF/REW by a few seconds)
> which work well in a tablet, and you have to use keyboard
> shortcuts (arrow keys, or I/J) on a PC.

Chrome uses the arrow keys, and page-up and page-down for
HTML5 videos (at least 99% now). Nothing is faster than
pressing a single key.

> But there are other features (e.g. faster or slower
> playback rates) which don't seem to exist at all in the
> app, and which are useful for certain videos that drag on a
> bit, and you don't have all day to watch.

Like Video Speed Controller in Chrome. I wanted to point out
the simply efficient beauty of its logic anyway...

press S to slow down the video

press D to speed up the video

press R to reset or unset the speed, that means...

if the speed is not 100%, it resets to 100%

OR...

if the speed is 100%, it sets the speed to the last setting

Simple but impressive once you get used to it. You can
alternate between 100% and whatever slower or faster speed
simply by using S OR D to set the alternate speed and then
repeatedly pressing R. Very useful.

[John Doe]

Then there is the progress bar preview window. I have scripts
that advance the preview window after setting the pointer on
the progress bar, by repeatedly moving the pointer 1-3 pixels
to the right (along the X axis) at given intervals.

[Lucifer Morningstar]

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 00:17:49 +0000 (UTC), Roy Tremblay
<rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote:

>Alek <alek.t...@gmail.com> actually wrote:
>
>> After all the hoo-hah, I logged in to Google Play Store and searched for
>> YouTube Red
>>
>> Didn't come up with anything that looked like what you describe.
>>
>> I'm running Android 7.1.1 on a OnePlus 3T.
>
>It's great that there are intelligent people like you are who want to know
>what it is that we're talking about.

The problem is that English is not your first language.
We had no idea what you were talking about.

>I don't use YouTube Red (because I get it for free, which is what this
>thread is all about), but quick google shows YouTube Red has been around
>since 2015, so I'll reference the following links for folks to read up on.

You didn't say before that you won't use free apps.
Why not just pay for Red and be done with it?

>https://www.youtube.com/red
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_Red
>
>Official YouTube Blog: Meet YouTube Red, the ultimate YouTube experience
>https://youtube.googleblog.com/2015/10/red.html
>
>Everything you need to know about YouTube Red
>https://www.cnet.com/how-to/youtube-red-details/
>
>YouTube Red, A $9.99 Site-Wide Ad-Free Subscription With Play Music,
>Launches Oct 28 2015
>https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/21/youtube-red/
>
>YouTubers Are Up In Arms About YouTube Red
>http://gizmodo.com/youtubers-are-up-in-arms-about-youtube-red-1738022087

Looks like you can't be helped.

[Lucifer Morningstar]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 09:53:13 -0400, Wolf K <wol...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>On 2017-07-14 03:31, Roy Tremblay wrote:
>[...]
>> I realize most of you are stuck in the stone age when it comes to what I'm
>> asking but some of you might be up on the modern tools so that's why I
>> risked the question.
>[...]
>
>What ads? I don't see any.
>
>Oh, it must be that stone-age tool known as AdBlock.
>
>I also use a shovel to dig up the garden But it's semi-modern, it's made
>of steel.

You have a garden made of steel?

[Lucifer Morningstar]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 14:55:28 +0000 (UTC), Roy Tremblay
<rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote:

>Wolf K <wol...@sympatico.ca> actually wrote:
>
>> What ads? I don't see any.
>>
>> Oh, it must be that stone-age tool known as AdBlock.
>>
>> I also use a shovel to dig up the garden But it's semi-modern, it's made
>> of steel.
>

>I didn't mean to touch off hurt feelings by stating the truth that a
>dedicated YouTube Red clone app has advantages over an all-in-one tool such
>as a web browser when all you want to do is watch videos without ads and
>download either the audio or the video.

You must be the only person who insists on paying when you don't
need to.

>It's the same dedicated-versus-all-in-one tool argument I could make for a
>MUA versus web-based email, where the dedicated tool does the job better in
>many ways than the all-in-one tool which has its own huge security issues
>to deal with.
>
>Heck, I can make the same argument for a dedicated pair of pliers over a
>leatherman all-in-one tool.
>
>The dedicated app has advantages over the browser, and the browser has huge
>disadvantages that you're glossing over.
>
>So you're only saying the good about the browser, but not the bad (and
>there is plenty bad, especially since Google tracks you left and right when
>you use YouTube through a browser).
>
>But I never wanted a discussion on why using a browser for YouTube videos
>is a really bad idea compared to using a dedicated YouTube Red clone app on
>Windows.
>
>All I am asking is if you know of a Windows YouTube red clone that
>[1] Searches and plays any YouTube video
>[2] Never ever requires a log in or account (to watch anything)
>[3] Never shows ads no matter what
>[4] Downloads the current video at the touch of a button
>[5] Extracts and downloads the audio at the touch of a button
>[6] Downloads any number of audios or videos in the background
>[7] Without any effort whatsoever

[8] Requires regular payments

>Does the all-in-one browser solution do all that on Windows?
>
>For example, how do you download any number of audio and video files in the
>background using the all-in-one web browser pointed only to the YouTube web
>site?

youtube-dl does that and more.

[Frank Slootweg]

Lucifer Morningstar <n...@for.mail> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 00:17:49 +0000 (UTC), Roy Tremblay
> <rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote:
>
> >Alek <alek.t...@gmail.com> actually wrote:
> >
> >> After all the hoo-hah, I logged in to Google Play Store and searched for
> >> YouTube Red
> >>
> >> Didn't come up with anything that looked like what you describe.
> >>
> >> I'm running Android 7.1.1 on a OnePlus 3T.
> >
> >It's great that there are intelligent people like you are who want to know
> >what it is that we're talking about.
>
> The problem is that English is not your first language.

I'm afraid it *is*. Don't be fooled by the 'nl' TLD. It's just another
one of our resident nymshifter's forgeries. Just look at the
'mis'spelling of his username.

> We had no idea what you were talking about.

That's quite understandable.

[...]

[Roy Tremblay]

Lucifer Morningstar <n...@for.mail> actually wrote:

>>For example, how do you download any number of audio and video files in the
>>background using the all-in-one web browser pointed only to the YouTube web
>>site?
>
> youtube-dl does that and more.

It's time for a summary of the solution, which is that there is nothing on
Windows that does what NewPipe does on Android, but your suggestion of the
Python/C++ based youtube-dl tool comes pretty close.

youtube-dl
(a) works on windows
(b) downloads most videos
(c) eliminates advertisements
(d) eliminates logins
(e) is opensource freeware

newpipe
(a) works on android
(b) downloads most videos
(c) eliminates advertisements
(d) eliminates logins
(e) is opensource freeware
... and
(f) extracts audio
(g) searches youtube
(h) plays youtube (using any player desired)

Search and play can be done in a Windows browser.
So the main thing missing in youtube-dl is audio extraction.

A search for the best Windows audio ripper finds a few choices.
(a) Switch audio converter http://www.nch.com.au/switch/index.html
(b) Movie Maker http://www.thewindowsclub.com/extract-audio-from-video-windows-movie-maker
(c) AOA https://www.lifewire.com/create-mp3-files-from-video-clips-2438841
(d) others http://www.guidingtech.com/5729/13-free-software-rip-audio-from-video/

[Frank Slootweg]

AFAIK, he has used a *PC* quite a lot, but not with *Windows* (but
Linux).

[Roy Tremblay]

Roy Tremblay <rembla...@nlnet.nl> actually wrote:

>> Here's an example of one I can't get. I figured Taylor
>> Swift would be blocked. They didn't let me down. :)
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuNIsY6JdUw
>
> On Windows, I pasted that URL into the Python youtube downloader that
> Lucifer Morningstart suggested, where it errored out with the following
> errors.

I just tried your suggested Taylor Swift Vevo URL on NewPipe, and it
errored out also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuNIsY6JdUw

So that URL has failed for all 3 of the best contributors to this thread.
(a) It failed for Mayayana
(b) It failed using Lucifer Morningstar's youtube-dl solution (on Windows)
(c) It failed using my suggested NewPipe solution (on Android)

That's the first YouTube download that has ever failed on me.
And I'm pretty good at not failing.

What's so different about that Vevo Taylor Swift URL that we can surmount?

[Alek]

Roy Tremblay wrote on 7/14/2017 10:03 PM:
> Alek <alek.t...@gmail.com> actually wrote:
>
>>> I don't use YouTube Red (because I get it for free <snip>)
>>
>> Can I get it for free too?
>
> The download URL for NewPipe was posted a half dozen times already:
> https://newpipe.schabi.org

I asked about YouTube Red and you tell me about NewPipe????

>
> If you don't know how to download from any repository, then it's time you
> learned that skill

Rude!

[Mayayana]

"Roy Tremblay" <rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote

| What's so different about that Vevo Taylor Swift URL that we can surmount?

As I mentioned in an earlier post, a lot of
current pop music is posted by "VEVO". My
suspicion is that it's not actually on Youtube
at all. Rather, it seems to be some kind of
connection through to their own server. My
guess is that the music industry wanted more
control over streaming and just uses Youtube
as an advertising venue. The Googlites are no
fools, so I'd guess that probably both entities
are making money by having ads in the music
videos and making sure that Youtube is a good
destination for teenagers to watch new videos.

[Roy Tremblay]

Alek <alek.t...@gmail.com> actually wrote:

> I asked about YouTube Red and you tell me about NewPipe????

> Rude!

The Usenet is funny sometimes.

You call me "rude" when you're the one who asked for the aforementioned
Android free youtube red clone, to which the only known answer is NewPipe
and then you call me rude for being the messenger of the answer you sought?

I think that's kind of funny. Don't you?

[Roy Tremblay]

Thanks for coming up with that hypothesis as to why both my NewPipe and
Lucifer Morningstar's suggested youtube-dl solution failed to download
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuNIsY6JdUw

It would be nice to know if YouTube Red can download that Taylor Swift
Vevo-hosted video.

Anyone here have YouTube Red who can try to download it?

[Mayayana]

"Roy Tremblay" <rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote

| It would be nice to know if YouTube Red can download that Taylor Swift
| Vevo-hosted video.
|

Yes. That might indicate whether Red is partnering
with Google to produce an ad-free subscription service,
or whether it's just a downloader utility that costs
money.

[Wolf K]

:-)

Technically, a pronoun in subject position refers back to a subject.


--
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com

[Lucifer Morningstar]

We might be able to work out something from the youtube-dl error
message and the watch.htm file that the youtube link points to.

[Lucifer Morningstar]

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 14:39:50 +0000 (UTC), Roy Tremblay
<rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote:

>Lucifer Morningstar <n...@for.mail> actually wrote:
>
>>>For example, how do you download any number of audio and video files in the
>>>background using the all-in-one web browser pointed only to the YouTube web
>>>site?
>>
>> youtube-dl does that and more.
>
>It's time for a summary of the solution, which is that there is nothing on
>Windows that does what NewPipe does on Android, but your suggestion of the
>Python/C++ based youtube-dl tool comes pretty close.
>
>youtube-dl
>(a) works on windows

(a1) works on Mac OSX
(a2) works on Solaris 11

>(b) downloads most videos
>(c) eliminates advertisements
>(d) eliminates logins
>(e) is opensource freeware

... and
(f) extracts audio
(g) searches youtube

>newpipe
>(a) works on android
>(b) downloads most videos
>(c) eliminates advertisements
>(d) eliminates logins
>(e) is opensource freeware
>... and
>(f) extracts audio
>(g) searches youtube
>(h) plays youtube (using any player desired)
>
>Search and play can be done in a Windows browser.
>So the main thing missing in youtube-dl is audio extraction.

Good news! youtube-dl does audio extraction and conversion
when used in conjunction with ffmpeg.

"Post-processing Options:
-x, --extract-audio Convert video files to audio-only files
requires ffmpeg or avconv and ffprobe or avprobe)
--audio-format FORMAT Specify audio format: "best", "aac",
"vorbis", "mp3", "m4a", "opus", or "wav";
"best" by default
--audio-quality QUALITY Specify ffmpeg/avconv audio quality,
insert a value between 0 (better) and 9 (worse)
for VBR or a specific bitrate like 128K
(default 5)"

In another post I listed the entire youtube-dl help file.

[Roy Tremblay]

Lucifer Morningstar <n...@for.mail> actually wrote:

>>youtube-dl

> (a1) works on Mac OSX
> (a2) works on Solaris 11

Good point. Portability across platforms is always a plus!

In summary, you've aptly shown that the the youtube-dl python version (not
the Windows executable) seems to do "everything" that NewPipe does, and
more (since it's portable across platforms).

Does youtube-dl work on Android?
If so, it could replace NewPipe for downloading videos & extracting audio.

Otherwise, NewPipe still has a place since NewPipe works on Android and
NewPipe essentially replaces the Android YouTube app.

My premise is that if anyone is using the Android YouTube app, then they
aren't serious about watching YouTube efficiently.

> ... and
> (f) extracts audio
> (g) searches youtube

Hmmm... at first I didn't want to install python, so I only tested
YouTube-DL-PyTK_17.4.16_win64.exe 9.09MB (sourceforge)

But the executable doesn't seem to have any of those options.

Then when I installed Python on Windows 10, I couldn't figure out how to
use it. (I'll ask separately.)

> Good news! youtube-dl does audio extraction and conversion
> when used in conjunction with ffmpeg.

This is great, because audio extraction is actually key.
I use it to extract the audio of documentaries, but kids could use it to
extract the audio of music videos so I can see the general use.

> "Post-processing Options:
> -x, --extract-audio Convert video files to audio-only files
> requires ffmpeg or avconv and ffprobe or avprobe)
> --audio-format FORMAT Specify audio format: "best", "aac",
> "vorbis", "mp3", "m4a", "opus", or "wav";
> "best" by default
> --audio-quality QUALITY Specify ffmpeg/avconv audio quality,
> insert a value between 0 (better) and 9 (worse)
> for VBR or a specific bitrate like 128K
> (default 5)"
>
> In another post I listed the entire youtube-dl help file.

Thank you for finding out that youtube-dl does almost everything on
Windows, Linux, and Mac that NewPipe does on Android, and, to be fair,
youtube-dl is a more general and elegant solution.

What it doesn't do is minor (e.g., play video) because once you have the
file, you can play with anything you want anyway so you don't even need
youtube-dl to play a file.

I have only one question which is why the Windows executable doesn't have
these options.

[Lucifer Morningstar]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 02:13:53 +0000 (UTC), Roy Tremblay
<rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote:

>Lucifer Morningstar <n...@for.mail> actually wrote:
>
>>>youtube-dl
>> (a1) works on Mac OSX
>> (a2) works on Solaris 11

(a3) works on at least some flavours of Linux

>Good point. Portability across platforms is always a plus!
>
>In summary, you've aptly shown that the the youtube-dl python version (not
>the Windows executable) seems to do "everything" that NewPipe does, and
>more (since it's portable across platforms).
>
>Does youtube-dl work on Android?

Not to my knowledge.

>If so, it could replace NewPipe for downloading videos & extracting audio.
>
>Otherwise, NewPipe still has a place since NewPipe works on Android and
>NewPipe essentially replaces the Android YouTube app.
>
>My premise is that if anyone is using the Android YouTube app, then they
>aren't serious about watching YouTube efficiently.
>
>> ... and
>> (f) extracts audio
>> (g) searches youtube
>
>Hmmm... at first I didn't want to install python, so I only tested
>YouTube-DL-PyTK_17.4.16_win64.exe 9.09MB (sourceforge)
>
>But the executable doesn't seem to have any of those options.

youtube-dl.exe -h should list all the options.

>Then when I installed Python on Windows 10, I couldn't figure out how to
>use it. (I'll ask separately.)

I have not found it necessary to install Python for Windows.

>> Good news! youtube-dl does audio extraction and conversion
>> when used in conjunction with ffmpeg.
>
>This is great, because audio extraction is actually key.
>I use it to extract the audio of documentaries, but kids could use it to
>extract the audio of music videos so I can see the general use.
>
>> "Post-processing Options:
>> -x, --extract-audio Convert video files to audio-only files
>> requires ffmpeg or avconv and ffprobe or avprobe)
>> --audio-format FORMAT Specify audio format: "best", "aac",
>> "vorbis", "mp3", "m4a", "opus", or "wav";
>> "best" by default
>> --audio-quality QUALITY Specify ffmpeg/avconv audio quality,
>> insert a value between 0 (better) and 9 (worse)
>> for VBR or a specific bitrate like 128K
>> (default 5)"
>>
>> In another post I listed the entire youtube-dl help file.
>
>Thank you for finding out that youtube-dl does almost everything on
>Windows, Linux, and Mac that NewPipe does on Android, and, to be fair,
>youtube-dl is a more general and elegant solution.
>
>What it doesn't do is minor (e.g., play video) because once you have the
>file, you can play with anything you want anyway so you don't even need
>youtube-dl to play a file.
>
>I have only one question which is why the Windows executable doesn't have
>these options.

It does for me.
You can get the latest at
https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl.exe
You can update any time with youtube-dl.exe -U.

[Roy Tremblay]

Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> actually wrote:

> Yes. That might indicate whether Red is partnering
> with Google to produce an ad-free subscription service,
> or whether it's just a downloader utility that costs
> money.

Ooooooooops. Mayayana,

As I was re-testing things, I realized that I screwed up in my earlier
assessment so I was WRONG that NewPipe failed on the Taylor Swift
testcase!

NewPipe 1.0 (co.at.newpipe) failed me on the hard testcase.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.at.newpipe
But I just realized that's the "fake" NewPipe application.

Below is the "real" NewPipe application!
NewPipe 0.9.9 (36) (org.schabi.newpipe) added on Jul 2, 2017
https://newpipe.schabi.org
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/
https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/org.schabi.newpipe

When I installed that "real" NewPipe application on Android 4.x
and then went to that Taylor Swift URL, I was able to download
both the 18.98MB video and the 3.46MB audio in seconds.

TEST 1: The "real" NewPipe plays the video just fine:
https://s2.postimg.org/klin7q0bt/newpipe000.jpg

TEST 2: The real NewPipe extracts just the audio just fine:
https://s2.postimg.org/51b9h6q7d/newpipe001.jpg
RESULTS: https://s2.postimg.org/bvlk6viuh/newpipe003.jpg

TEST 3: The real NewPipe extracts the video just fine:
https://s2.postimg.org/908h00euh/newpipe002.jpg
RESULTS: https://s2.postimg.org/en4txhhd5/newpipe004.jpg

[Roy Tremblay]

Roy Tremblay <rembla...@nlnet.nl> actually wrote:

> Do you know of a similar YouTube replacement for Windows that eliminates
> all ads and allows pushbutton download of the video or audio?

Here are some screenshots taken just now of the "real" NewPipe application!

NewPipe 0.9.9 (36) (org.schabi.newpipe) added on Jul 2, 2017
https://newpipe.schabi.org
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/
https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/org.schabi.newpipe

When I installed that "real" NewPipe application on Android 4.x I was able
to download, in seconds, everything on YouTube that I tried (both video and
audio) at the touch of a button.

TEST 1: The "real" NewPipe plays video just fine:
https://s2.postimg.org/klin7q0bt/newpipe000.jpg

TEST 2: The real NewPipe extracts just audio just fine:

https://s2.postimg.org/51b9h6q7d/newpipe001.jpg
RESULTS: https://s2.postimg.org/bvlk6viuh/newpipe003.jpg

TEST 3: The real NewPipe downloads just video just fine:

https://s2.postimg.org/908h00euh/newpipe002.jpg
RESULTS: https://s2.postimg.org/en4txhhd5/newpipe004.jpg

easy testcase: https://youtu.be/AI5wEcWAmkg
hard testcase: https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw

It would be nice to get some feedback from Android users if they're
similarly successful with the "real" NewPipe app.

[Roy Tremblay]

Lucifer Morningstar <n...@for.mail> actually wrote:

> youtube-dl.exe -h should list all the options.

My "youtube-dl.exe" pre-compiled Windows binary fails to find Python:
C:\> youtube-dl.exe -h
Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: unable to load the file system codec
ImportError: No module named 'encodings'
Current thread 0x00002330 (most recent call first):

But see below that I just found out, from your note above, that there are
not three, but *four* different youtube-dl-stuff implementations, two of
which use the exact same name of "youtube-dl.exe".

> It does for me.
> You can get the latest at
> https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl.exe
> You can update any time with youtube-dl.exe -U.

Ug! Why didn't you provide that URL sooner! :)

This page is where I got my original "youtube-dl.exe" binary:
https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html

This page is the download you just suggested for the "youtube-dl.exe"
https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl.exe

They're both named exactly the same name.
But they're different executables!

The first requires Python!
The second does not.

>>Then when I installed Python on Windows 10, I couldn't figure out how to
>>use it. (I'll ask separately.)
>
> I have not found it necessary to install Python for Windows.

I think 100% of the confusion here is because not only are there *four*
different implementations, each with different requirements - but two of
the implementations have the same name (but different requirements!).

1. All-in-1 GUI "YouTube-DL-PyTK_17.4.16_win64.exe" installer
From: https://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/youtube-dl-gtk/17.4.16/YouTube-DL-PyTK_17.4.16_win64.exe
Size: 9536030 bytes (9 MB)
SHA256: DB520866D732E069CB4C830C0B58FF4B3ACD789F5E6F0D63D5BA4F0A8DAD0C24
This has no requirements (AFAICT).
2. Windows binary "youtube-dl.exe"
From: https://yt-dl.org/downloads/2017.07.15/youtube-dl.exe
Size: 7415375 bytes (7 MB)
SHA256: C2D9C47C7E79FBD9ADA3C5410B3C1E5C9D0EE900181F7B5BD2B0B685A3BC5830
This says it requires C++ but it certainly requires Python
3. Windows binary "youtube-dl.exe"
From: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl.exe
Size: 7760634 bytes (7 MB)
SHA256: C0396D47480D7C9A14464A8E51E79993F88BD76D6BCFDB11312EFD0D88F3C5C7
This does not require Python!
4. Python-interpreted "youtube-dl"
This requires Python but I don't know how to run it with Python yet.
Size: 1551002 bytes (1 MB)
SHA256: A23B13763328B2BBF6A2575413C43CAAEEE87FFA5405091A98B600B6EFAF8DBC

In summary, I don't suggest #2 or #4 above because both require Python.
#1 works in the easy testcase, but fails on the harder testcase

easy testcase: https://youtu.be/AI5wEcWAmkg
hard testcase: https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw

Here is a test of #3 on Windows 10.

Make sure this youtube-dl.exe is up to date:
cmd> youtube-dl.exe -U
youtube-dl is up-to-date (2017.07.15)
Download the easy video:
cmd> youtube-dl.exe https://youtu.be/AI5wEcWAmkg
20,750,914 Simple Usenet Tutorial-AI5wEcWAmkg.mkv
Download the hard video:
cmd> youtube-dl.exe https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw
93,036,705 Taylor Swift - You Belong With Me-VuNIsY6JdUw.mkv
Extract just the audio from the hard video:
cmd> youtube-dl.exe -x https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw
ERROR: ffprobe or avprobe not found. Please install one.

[Roy Tremblay]

Roy Tremblay <rembla...@nlnet.nl> actually wrote:
> Do you know of a similar YouTube replacement for Windows that eliminates
> all ads and allows pushbutton download of the video or audio?

Thanks to Lucifer Morningstart, here is a tested suggestion on Windows 10
1. Obtain the latest ffmpeg setup (you'll need ffprobe.exe).
http://adaptivesamples.com/how-to-install-ffmpeg-on-windows/
http://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/http://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/win64/static/ffmpeg-20170711-0780ad9-win64-static.zip
Unzip ffmpeg-20170711-0780ad9-win64-static.zip & rename to "ffmpeg".
2. Obtain the latest working youtube-dl.exe (get the right one!)

From: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl.exe
Size: 7760634 bytes (7 MB)
SHA256: C0396D47480D7C9A14464A8E51E79993F88BD76D6BCFDB11312EFD0D88F3C5C7

This particular "youtube-dl.exe" does not require Python!
3. Make sure this particular youtube-dl.exe is up to date:

cmd> youtube-dl.exe -U
youtube-dl is up-to-date (2017.07.15)

4. Download the easy test video:

cmd> youtube-dl.exe https://youtu.be/AI5wEcWAmkg
20,750,914 Simple Usenet Tutorial-AI5wEcWAmkg.mkv

5. Try to extract the audio from the easy test video:
cmd> youtube-dl.exe -x https://youtu.be/AI5wEcWAmkg

ERROR: ffprobe or avprobe not found. Please install one.

6. Copy over your recently downloaded ffmpeg binary "ffprobe.exe":
cmd> copy c:\path\ffmpeg\bin\ffprobe.exe .\ffprobe.exe
7. Try again to extract the audio from the youtube video:
cmd> youtube-dl.exe -x https://youtu.be/AI5wEcWAmkg
7,551,857 Simple Usenet Tutorial-AI5wEcWAmkg.opus
8. Now try the harder test which was suggested by Mayayana:

cmd> youtube-dl.exe https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw
93,036,705 Taylor Swift - You Belong With Me-VuNIsY6JdUw.mkv

cmd> youtube-dl.exe -x https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw

3,779,012 Taylor Swift - You Belong With Me-VuNIsY6JdUw.opus
QED
--
Well intentioned improvement suggestions are always welcome.

[Mayayana]

"Roy Tremblay" <rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote

| As I was re-testing things, I realized that I screwed up in my earlier
| assessment so I was WRONG that NewPipe failed on the Taylor Swift
| testcase!
|

Interesting. So I guess DownloadHelper is maybe just
outdated. I had accepted that I'd never get VEVO videos.
That means that if I buy an Android phone and fall in love
with Taylor Swift, I can watch an ant that looks just like
her, singing from the phone screen. What'll they think
of next? :)

I'm surprised by how much work these things take. I
downloaded the source code for youtube-dl. I've only
looked at it briefly, but it looks fairly involved. All just
to get past Google's obfuscation. I guess it's become
somewhat of an arms race, as mega-corporations try
any trick they can to turn the Intyernet into interactive
pay-TV.

[Mayayana]

"Roy Tremblay" <rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote

| > I have not found it necessary to install Python for Windows.
|
| I think 100% of the confusion here is because not only are there *four*
| different implementations, each with different requirements - but two of
| the implementations have the same name (but different requirements!).
|

Their website is not clear. It says different things in
different places. What it seems to be is a Python script
that requires a Python runtime. The Windows EXE is
a package holding both. (7+ MB) I'm guessing it may be
something like a ZIP SFX, or a small C++ program that
writes the runtime and script to disk and then runs them.
The runtime is apparently written in VC++ 2010, so that
the runtime for that is also required. So the whole thing
is a 20+- MB package. Clunky, but the packaging is made
as convenient as possible, so that it seems like a program.

[Roy Tremblay]

Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> actually wrote:

> Interesting. So I guess DownloadHelper is maybe just
> outdated. I had accepted that I'd never get VEVO videos.

Here's all that I can tell you since this is the first time I've run into
"Vevo" videos.

1. The bad implementation of NewPipe did fail on the vevo video.
2. But the good implementation of NewPipe worked.
3. Likewise, the bad implementations of youtube-dl-stuff failed.
4. But the good youtube-dl-stuff implementations worked.

At this point, I'm done testing, and I have written up the solution which
is:
For Android - use the schabi.org NewPipe implementation only
For Windows - use the youtube-dl.org command line only

All the rest sucked.

> That means that if I buy an Android phone and fall in love
> with Taylor Swift, I can watch an ant that looks just like
> her, singing from the phone screen. What'll they think
> of next? :)

Yes. The mobile device screen is small.

But if you use the schabi.org NewPipe, you can listen to that ant singing
on tinny speakers!
https://s2.postimg.org/51b9h6q7d/newpipe001.jpg

You don't have to watch the childish video!
https://s2.postimg.org/bvlk6viuh/newpipe003.jp

> I'm surprised by how much work these things take. I
> downloaded the source code for youtube-dl. I've only
> looked at it briefly, but it looks fairly involved.

Source code is out of my league but the good news is that both the
Schabi.org NewPipe and youtube-dl are opensource implementations.

> All just to get past Google's obfuscation.

I had noticed, while testing on Windows, using a browser (yuck), Youtube
popped up ads, which suck. I had not seen a youtube ad in so long that I
had forgotten about them.

Anyone who watches YouTube in a browser is not using a robust solution,
IMHO.

> I guess it's become
> somewhat of an arms race, as mega-corporations try
> any trick they can to turn the Intyernet into interactive
> pay-TV.

Agreed. The thing about browsers is that they're so bad at so many
privacy-related things that anyone who seriously suggests watching YouTube
in a browser probably doesn't have a clue about what a robust solution
should look like.

[Roy Tremblay]

Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> actually wrote:

> Their website is not clear.

That web site is atrocious!
https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html

> It says different things in different places.

Agreed. It calls things by names that aren't used anywhere else too.

> What it seems to be is a Python script
> that requires a Python runtime.

I don't disagree because the GUI, which is a standalone all-in-one package,
barfed on Taylor Swift, outputting a Python error.

In addition, the command-line executable also barfed giving a Python based
error message.

> The Windows EXE is
> a package holding both. (7+ MB) I'm guessing it may be
> something like a ZIP SFX, or a small C++ program that
> writes the runtime and script to disk and then runs them.

I don't disagree - but - be careful as there are two different command-line
executable implementations of the exact same name.
https://yt-dl.org/downloads/2017.07.15/youtube-dl.exe
https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl.exe

> The runtime is apparently written in VC++ 2010, so that
> the runtime for that is also required. So the whole thing
> is a 20+- MB package. Clunky, but the packaging is made
> as convenient as possible, so that it seems like a program.

Actually, the executables I downloaded are about 7MB while the
all-in-one-gui is an installer at 9MB (packed) so, they're smaller than
20MB unless you're adding in the need for separate things like Python &
C++.

[Mayayana]

"Roy Tremblay" <rembla...@nlnet.nl> wrote

| Anyone who watches YouTube in a browser is not using a robust solution,
| IMHO.

Last week I was reading Al Franken's new book.
He mentioned that he banned the word "robust"
in his office. I find that delightful. :)

[tlvp]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 16:05:37 +0000 (UTC), Roy Tremblay wrote:

> I already have all this on Android.
> I'm just asking how to get the same functionality on Windows.

Port Android to Windows, and then use the Android app :-) . HTH. -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

[tlvp]

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 04:17:17 +0000 (UTC), Roy Tremblay wrote:

> ... you bring up a valuable shortcoming in NewPipe ...

Yes; and it's such a valuable shortcoming that, were it to be overcome,
NewPipe itself would cease to be of any interest or value any longer.

Or perhaps you mis-spoke yourself :-) ?

Cheers, -- tlvp

[tlvp]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 18:05:34 -0400, Mayayana wrote, inter alia:

> Bill Gates solves all problems (3:22)
> Bill Gates explains his amazing genius (1:32:54)
> Bill Gates knows more about education than anyone (4:22:12)
> Bill Gates explains things he doesn't even know about (27:12:44)
> Bill and Melinda in Africa (22:31)
> Bill and Warren play cards and gloat over their amazingness (44:21)

Careful: the DoJ may get you for your ill-concealed slander of our current
(albeit temporary) PotUS. Cheers, -- tlvp

[tlvp]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 02:13:53 +0000 (UTC), Roy Tremblay wrote:

> if ..., then they

> aren't serious about watching YouTube efficiently.

Who could possibly use "serious" and "watching YouTube" in the same breath?

(Sheesh!) Cheers, -- tlvp

[tlvp]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 20:44:10 -0400, Alek wrote:

> Roy Tremblay wrote on 7/14/2017 8:17 PM:
>>
>> I don't use YouTube Red (because I get it for free <snip>)
>
> Can I get it for free too?

Alek, you little devil you ... I bet he's totally confused by your picking
up on his change of reference-point for his "it" :-) ! Cheers, -- tlvp