XS11E wrote:
> VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> wrote:
>
>> XS11E wrote:
>>
>>> I currently have an LG V20 and it's getting a bit long in the
>>> tooth, ...
>>
>> LG V20 was unveiled in September 6, 2016, or 2.67 years ago.
>> That's "long in the tooth"? What does it not do now that you must
>> pay for a whole new expensive phone to get?
>>
>>> replacement batteries seem to be equally old.
>>
>> How do you know how old are the batteries? There is no
>> manufacture date printed on the battery itself
>
> AFAIK every battery of every kind has a date code and Google will
> show you where it is and how to read it.
Okay, do a Google Image search on "LG V20 battery" and show me one that
has a manufacture datestamp. Remember to only look at batteries that
have "Life's Good" on the front side since those are genuine batteries
for that phone.
>> Batteries ALWAYS DIE. They're chemical. Not a sufficient reason
>> to discard the product that uses batteries.
>
> It is on a cell phone, some older ones use no longer available
> batteries and on some newer phones with non-replaceable batteries the
> cost of replacing the battery is higher than the value of the phone,
> even if you do it yourself.
Neither of which is an issue with the LG V20 with its replaceable
battery, plus batteries are available for the under 3-year old phone.
>> I don't buy a new car because the lead-acid battery was too weak
>> or died after 5-6 years, but then I hold onto my cars for decades.
>
> If you had a Toyota Prius the resale value of the first models is
> approaching the cost of a new battery + installation so it would be
> financially foolish to replace the battery.
There is where the manufacturer lies about the true cost of a hybrid or
electrical vehicle. They advertise how much money you save on gasoline
versus the recharge cost. They never mention the cost of replacing the
entire battery after 5 to 8 years which can cost $3000, or more. Having
to replace the battery destroys the savings from not having to buy gas.
In contrast to your Prius battery example where the battery costs
thousands, the battery for the LG V20 is only $10. The LG V20 was more
expensive when I bought it because it was a brand new model; however,
the cost to buy a new LG V20 phone nowadays is $180, and $10 is far from
the cost of buying the phone again.
>> The average lifespan for smartphones is 3 years - not because a
>> new phone is actually needed, but because consumers are pressured
>> by the "new is better" sales mantra to get consumers to buy more
>> and keep buying. Replacing a usable smartphone with a new one at
>> $400, or more, just because a $10 battery needs replacing is like
>> buying a new car because the ashtrays are full.
>
> My smart phone batteries have severely reduced life span at 3 years
> which is why I want a removable battery. And that $10 battery is over
> $200 with labor on some phones.
You mentioned the LG V20, not some other phone where battery was not
replaceable and the battery cost hundreds. For the LG V20 battery, why
would you pay someone some ridiculous labor cost to flip open the
backside to pop out the old battery and slide in a new one? The $10 LG
V20 battery is STILL just $10, not $200.
You want a phone that has a replaceable battery. Well, the LG V20 that
you already have is one of those, the battery is super simple to
replace, and it costs only $10. Only if you install an armor case on
the phone is battery replacement more difficult (by the amount of effort
to remove and reinstall the armor case).
> Many have components glued together and replacement, while possible,
> is something many repair places won't even attempt and well beyond
> the ability of most owners.
Um, not for the LG V20. You wanted a phone with a replaceable battery.
Bingo, your LG V20 is one of those. No prying the case apart, damaging
a butyl seal that you may have to replace, and removing what was not
designed to be a user-servicable part. The battery in the LG V20 is
very user servicable.
>> Looks like you're trying to find some excuse to get a new phone.
>
> I have a good one. I'm tired of batteries that won't hold a charge and
> buying "new" ones that aren't much better.
I've not run into that situation. Only because I keep my phone in the
recharger is why they get pregnant due to heat, so in about 2 years it
needs to get replaced (the back panel bulges out which makes the armor
case not fit well). If I charged my phone like other users, the battery
would probably last 3 years, or more. It is a chemical part, so I don't
expect it to last forever. Same for wherever batteries are used: UPS,
flashlight, digital multimeter, TV remote, etc.
At the current market price for a new LG V20 ($180), it would take 18
batteries before the total cost of batteries equaled today's price.
With a life expectancy of 2 years (well, more but that depends on your
use, especially regarding charging), that's 36 years before the battery
cost exceeds the phone's cost. Long before then, the LG V20 will become
defunct due to changes in carrier techology, like how I lost use of my
old Motorola Razr phone when carriers dropped 2G.
Um, do you decide it is time to buy a new car just because you
eventually reach a total price you have paid for gasoline, maintenance,
and other costs during ownership of the car? You can find what your
car, or one you are interested in, has for its average annual cost per
year to own. In about 4 years, based on your logic, you just must get
rid of that old car because ownership costs have exceeded the original
purchase price of the car. Lots of consumers keeps their cars for a lot
longer, because the current value to THEM (not shown in Kelly Blue
Book), especially for a car that is paid for, is greater than buying a
new car. I see homeowners do that: they pay a mortgage and after 7
years decide to move, so they've mostly paid on the interest of the loan
and have little real value. Like car owners, homeowners sell and then
buy another because they want change, not because of economic
feasibility.
Yeah, if you get a phone with a non-servicable battery, the cost will be
a lot higher, but then you chose to buy a phone that was specifically
designed not to be user servicable. Those phones are designed to be
disposable after 3 years, because 32 months is the average ownership of
a smartphone. They're catering to the common market of boobs that will
pay new prices for minimal and often fluff new features in new phones.