Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?

[Aardvarks]

This is NOT a technical question.
This is a PSYCHOLOGOY question.

*Why do Apple Apologists lie constatnly about iOS capabilities?*

In another thread, I listed at least a dozen things I do on Android every
day that just aren't possible on my iOS devices, and both nospam and
Michael Eyd said they could easily do most of those things on iOS.

Yet, they supplied zero proof.
They just said "bullshit" and "Easily possible on iOS".

Fact is, they can't do *any* of those things on iOS.
That's why I listed them (in response to a question from someone of what
you can do on Android that you can't do on iOS).

Of course, even they *know* these things can't be done on iOS; so the
question is the PSYCHOLOGY question of *why* do they lie so much?

This is not a technical question.
It's a question about Apple Apologists' PSYCHOLOGY?

What is it about their mind set that allows them to lie so blatantly?

Are they (like used car salesmen perhaps?) so used to telling lies left and
right where nobody challenges them ever?

Can they possibly be so stupid as to not know the least bit about the iOS
operating environment?

They can't actually be *that* stupid - and the fact that they can't
possibly show a shred of proof of what they say, proves that they know teh
answer.

So why do they lie in almost every post?
What is it about their PSYCHOLOGY that makes them do that?

REFERENCE:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:04:43 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:
Subject: Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:04:43 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <nm76ha$1u9e$1...@gioia.aioe.org>

[Aardvarks]

[nospam]

In article <nm96ni$122e$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks

<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> This is NOT a technical question.
> This is a PSYCHOLOGOY question.
>
> *Why do Apple Apologists lie constatnly about iOS capabilities?*

translated:
why do trolls keep trolling?

[Aardvarks]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:20:19 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> REFERENCE:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:04:43 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:
> Subject: Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile
> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:04:43 +0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID: <nm76ha$1u9e$1...@gioia.aioe.org>

Since I prove what I say, here is the exact post they both were responding
to, where they lie so blatantly, that they can only be either:
a. Incredibly naieve, or
b. Incredibly duplicitous

Why do they lie so much is the question.
The fact they blatantly lie isn't in question.
This is a PSYCHOLOGY question.
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:29:34 -0400, FPP wrote:

> Things? What things? Hammer nails, what?

You must be joking if you don't know the huge limitations of the Apple
ecosystem when it comes to "doing things" with the phone out of the box as
compared to doing things with Android out of the box.

The out of the box capability comparison isn't even fair when it comes to
what you can do on Android to what you can't do on iOS. It's not even
close.

Jolly Roger will scream that you can do "some" of these things if you root
the iPhone, but we're talking apples to apples, out of the box iOs and
Android base capabilities here.

Some of the many things you can't do with Apple equipment are the direct
result of design limitations of the hardware (e.g., lack of cheap removable
external storage cards), but most of the myriad Apple limitations are
self-imposed software limitations imposed by Apple, often for purely
marketing reasons (IMHO).

Nonetheless, for whatever reasons, and without having to resort to rooting,
I'll tell you, offhand, some of the self-imposed limitations of the Apple
ecosystem which Android doesn't have... (in off-the-cuff order)...
- Ability to load software outside the Apple ecosystem
- Ability to change the launcher to entirely change the look & feel
- Ability to change the keyboard (e.g., the ability to define keys)
- Ability to control what data programs have access to from other programs
- Ability to traverse & modify the entire file system (or almost all of it)
- Ability for free second-line telephone numbers such as "Sideline"
- Ability to use the "real" Tor Browser Bundle and "Obot" VPN
- Ability to redirect files & types of files at will (File Redirector)
- Ability to perform wardriving tasks (such as what WiGle WiFi does)
- Ability to *graph* WiFi signal strengths (the iOS solution is primitive)
- Ability to organize the desktop with icons on any grid whatsoever
- Ability to not clutter your desktop with rarely used icons
- Ability to have icons in multiple places for logical organization
- Ability to create empty named placeholder folders for organization
- Ability to automatically record calls in juristictions where it's legal
- Ability to switch between launchers at will
- Ability to use bitTorrent applications at will
- Ability to store installers to user-defined locations (for use elsewhere)
- Ability to have a fully-functional "App Drawer" for rarely used apps

I'm sure there are plenty more, but those are only the things I do on my
Android device out of the box that can't be done on iOS out of the box.

[BobbyK]

Who, other than you, gives a rat's ass?

Better yet why don't you just go away you're a bore.

[Aardvarks]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 19:22:13 -0400, nospam wrote:

> translated:
> why do trolls keep trolling?

Which of these did you say was "bullshit" again?

[nospam]

In article <nm9fgj$1aju$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks

<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

>
> > translated:
> > why do trolls keep trolling?
>
> Which of these did you say was "bullshit" again?

all

[Aardvarks]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:59:19 -0500, BobbyK wrote:

> Better yet why don't you just go away you're a bore.

Wow. I changed my killfile and *you* showed up!

Heh heh ... did you *ever* add a single bit of value to a discussion in
your entire life?

Is it even possible for you to accomplish that?

Here are the things that nospam said were "bullshit".

Which of those do you do on iOS?
How?

[Aardvarks]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:20:19 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> REFERENCE:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:04:43 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:
> Subject: Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile
> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:04:43 +0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID: <nm76ha$1u9e$1...@gioia.aioe.org>

There were a few duplications so here's an improved list of the things that
Android can do that iOS can't, to answer the question someone asked:

- Ability to load software outside the Apple ecosystem
- Ability to change the launcher to entirely change the look & feel

- Ability to control what data programs have access to from other programs
- Ability to traverse & modify the entire file system (or almost all of it)
- Ability for free second-line telephone numbers such as "Sideline"

- Ability to use the "real" Tor Browser Bundle and "Obot" anonymous VPN

- Ability to redirect files & types of files at will (File Redirector)

- Ability to perform detailed wardriving (such as what WiGle WiFi does)

- Ability to organize the desktop with icons on any grid whatsoever

- Ability to hide *any* icon whatsoever no matter what the icon is

- Ability to have icons in multiple places for logical organization
- Ability to create empty named placeholder folders for organization
- Ability to automatically record calls in juristictions where it's legal

- Ability to use bitTorrent applications at will

- Ability to automatically store installers offline to user storage
- Ability to *use* those installers on similar mobile devices offline
- Ability to have a *fully-functional* "App Drawer" for rarely used app

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:50:12 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> Which of these did you say was "bullshit" again?

Here is the list cleaned up.

- Ability to load software outside the Apple ecosystem
- Ability to change the launcher to entirely change the look & feel

- Ability to control what data programs have access to from other programs
- Ability to traverse & modify the entire file system (or almost all of it)
- Ability for free second-line telephone numbers such as "Sideline"

- Ability to use the "real" Tor Browser Bundle and "Obot" anonymous VPN

- Ability to redirect files & types of files at will (File Redirector)

- Ability to perform detailed wardriving (such as what WiGle WiFi does)

- Ability to organize the desktop with icons on any grid whatsoever

- Ability to hide *any* icon whatsoever no matter what the icon is

- Ability to have icons in multiple places for logical organization
- Ability to create empty named placeholder folders for organization
- Ability to automatically record calls in juristictions where it's legal

- Ability to use bitTorrent applications at will

- Ability to automatically store installers offline to user storage
- Ability to *use* those installers on similar mobile devices offline

- Ability to have a *fully-functional* "App Drawer" for rarely used app

[nospam]

In article <nm9fpn$1apt$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks

<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> There were a few duplications so here's an improved list of the things that
> Android can do that iOS can't, to answer the question someone asked:

repeating it doesn't make it true.

[Aardvarks]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:51:05 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> Which of these did you say was "bullshit" again?
>
> all

This is what I don't get about the Apple Apologists' psychology.
You say all of the following can be done on an out-of-the-box iPhone.
Yet, you know *none* of the following can be done.

So, *why* do you lie?
What are you hoping to accomplish by lying?

You say all these things can be done on an out-of-the-box iOS device:
- Load software outside the Apple ecosystem
- Change the launcher to entirely change the look & feel
- Control what data programs have access to from other programs
- Traverse & modify the entire file system (or almost all of it)
- Add a free second-line telephone numbers such as "Sideline"
- Install the "real" Tor Browser Bundle and "Obot" anonymous VPN
- Redirect files & types of files at will (File Redirector)
- Perform detailed wardriving (such as what WiGle WiFi does)
- Organize the desktop with icons on any grid whatsoever
- Hide *any* icon whatsoever no matter what the icon is
- Put icons in multiple places for logical organization
- Create empty named placeholder folders for organization
- Automatically record calls in juristictions where it's legal
- Use bitTorrent applications to download torrent files
- Automatically store installers offline to user storage
- Then *use* those offline installers on other similar mobile devices
- Use a *fully-functional* "App Drawer" for rarely used apps

That's a dozen and a half things that I do all the time on Android, that
you say I can do on my iOS devices.

Yet you never provide any proof.
Why do you lie?

What is it about your personality that makes you apologize so badly for
Apple products that you have to lie in order to feel better about them?

What is it in your personality that makes you lie so very much?

[Aardvarks]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:56:16 -0400, nospam wrote:

> repeating it doesn't make it true.

I only tell the truth.
And I back up everything I say.

Someone asked what Android can do that iOS can't do.
I answer the question off the cuff.

The cleaned up list of a dozen and a half things is below.
Which of the following can be done on a current out-of-the-box iOS device?

- Load software outside the Apple ecosystem
- Change the launcher to entirely change the look & feel
- Control what data programs have access to from other programs
- Traverse & modify the entire file system (or almost all of it)
- Add a free second-line telephone numbers such as "Sideline"
- Install the "real" Tor Browser Bundle and "Obot" anonymous VPN
- Redirect files & types of files at will (File Redirector)
- Perform detailed wardriving (such as what WiGle WiFi does)
- Organize the desktop with icons on any grid whatsoever
- Hide *any* icon whatsoever no matter what the icon is
- Put icons in multiple places for logical organization
- Create empty named placeholder folders for organization
- Automatically record calls in juristictions where it's legal
- Use bitTorrent applications to download torrent files
- Automatically store installers offline to user storage
- Then *use* those offline installers on other similar mobile devices

- Use a *fully-functional* "App Drawer" for rarely used apps

[nospam]

In article <nm9gan$1b88$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks

<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

>
> > repeating it doesn't make it true.
>
> I only tell the truth.
> And I back up everything I say.

no you don't

you make up shit as you go along.

> Someone asked what Android can do that iOS can't do.
> I answer the question off the cuff.

and you got almost all of it wrong.

next time, do a tiny bit of research instead of looking like a complete
utter moron.

[nospam]

In article <nm9g4c$1b4i$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks

<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

>
> >> Which of these did you say was "bullshit" again?
> >
> > all
>
> This is what I don't get about the Apple Apologists' psychology.
> You say all of the following can be done on an out-of-the-box iPhone.
> Yet, you know *none* of the following can be done.

i *know* that they can because i've *done* them.

just because *you* personally don't know how doesn't mean it's
impossible. it just means you're ignorant.

and actually, you do know how to do many of them because *you've*
*been* *told* *how* yet you keep lying that they're impossible.

what the fuck is up with that?

give it up already. get whatever devices you want and believe whatever
you want to believe. nobody but you gives a fuck.

> Yet you never provide any proof.
> Why do you lie?
>
> What is it about your personality that makes you apologize so badly for
> Apple products that you have to lie in order to feel better about them?
>
> What is it in your personality that makes you lie so very much?

questions everyone asks about you.

just substitute android for apple products in what you wrote.

[Your Name]

In article <3k9gobhlt6dpcvaql...@4ax.com>, BobbyK

<bkn...@Conramp.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:23:43 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks
> <aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:
>

<snip the usual load of anti-Apple, know-nothing trolling crap>

>
> Who, other than you, gives a rat's ass?
>
> Better yet why don't you just go away you're a bore.

Just killfile the braindead moronic little troll.

[BobbyK]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:51:14 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks
<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:59:19 -0500, BobbyK wrote:
>

>> Better yet why don't you just go away, you're a bore.

>
>Wow. I changed my killfile and *you* showed up!

I'm about to change mine because You've hijacked this place.

>
>Heh heh ... did you *ever* add a single bit of value to a discussion in
>your entire life?

There seems to be no discussion with you, only your self-aggrandizing
lists of what you own, and that you have all the answers. I'm
thinking that you have no friends with whom to discuss anything, so
you come here to blather.

>
>Is it even possible for you to accomplish that?

Re-read the above. Goodbye now.
>

[BobbyK]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:19:00 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
wrote:

>In article <3k9gobhlt6dpcvaql...@4ax.com>, BobbyK
><bkn...@Conramp.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:23:43 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks
>> <aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:
>>
><snip the usual load of anti-Apple, know-nothing trolling crap>
>>
>> Who, other than you, gives a rat's ass?

>Just killfile the braindead moronic little troll.

Done. Hope that others do too.

[Jolly Roger]

Why does Aardvarks troll?

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[FPP]

>> - Ability to not clutter your desktop with rarely used icons

Has he ever touched an iPhone? What the fuck is he blathering on about?
--
Donald J. Trump: The asteroid destined to destroy a party of dinosaurs. -S Bee

May I humbly suggest a campaign mascot?
http://snotnews.reddragontv.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/1522023_690817180949038_1062062659_n.jpg

[FPP]

I already did... that's why I had to reply to him through one of your
quoted posts.

[Davoud]

You can believe me when I tell you that I don't give a flying f**k
about you or about what your iOS ripoff can do. You wouldn't be
trolling the iPhone group if you weren't an Apple envier.

And if your question is a psychology question, post it in a psychology
group.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

[FPP]

On 2016-07-15 05:19:22 +0000, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> said:

> Why does Aardvarks troll?

Maybe he just wants to save us from cluttering up our desktops with
rarely used icons - you know... one of those things you can only avoid
if you have an Android device.

[Michael Eyd]

Am 15.07.2016 um 01:20 schrieb Aardvarks:
> This is NOT a technical question.
> This is a PSYCHOLOGOY question.
>
> *Why do Apple Apologists lie constatnly about iOS capabilities?*
>
> In another thread, I listed at least a dozen things I do on Android every
> day that just aren't possible on my iOS devices, and both nospam and
> Michael Eyd said they could easily do most of those things on iOS.

Bullshit! I never said that and you won't find *any* proof of me saying
anything different! If you can't read (and comprehend) what I'm writing,
that's your problem, not mine. My statements were perfectly clear. But
if you take the answer to one of your claims and take it for a
completely different claim of your, please tell who's lying here now?

So either you take your claim of me lying back, or I'm out of here right
away.

Michael

[PAS]

On 7/15/2016 1:29 AM, FPP wrote:
>
>>> - Ability to not clutter your desktop with rarely used icons
>
> Has he ever touched an iPhone? What the fuck is he blathering on about?

I've barely touched an iPhone. AFAIK, there is no app drawer on an
iPhone. Is that correct? Do you have to jailbreak an iPhone in order
to get an app drawer app installed? On my current Android phone, the
manufacturer did away with the app drawer and that is not a good thing.
For every app, there's an icon on the screen. I don't want an icon for
every app on the screen, I want them only in the app drawer. I find the
app drawer a great feature of Android.

[nospam]

In article <nmaqg6$qqf$2...@dont-email.me>, PAS <a...@doremi.net> wrote:

> On 7/15/2016 1:29 AM, FPP wrote:
> >
> >>> - Ability to not clutter your desktop with rarely used icons
> >
> > Has he ever touched an iPhone? What the fuck is he blathering on about?
>
> I've barely touched an iPhone. AFAIK, there is no app drawer on an
> iPhone. Is that correct? Do you have to jailbreak an iPhone in order
> to get an app drawer app installed?

why do you want an app drawer installed? there's no need for one.

> On my current Android phone, the
> manufacturer did away with the app drawer and that is not a good thing.
> For every app, there's an icon on the screen. I don't want an icon for
> every app on the screen, I want them only in the app drawer. I find the
> app drawer a great feature of Android.

why get an app at all if you're not going to be using it?

in any event, you can put the lesser used apps in a folder and put that
folder wherever you want, *and* you can arrange the apps within the
folder any way you want, unlike a drawer.

[PAS]

On 7/15/2016 10:38 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article <nmaqg6$qqf$2...@dont-email.me>, PAS <a...@doremi.net> wrote:
>
>> On 7/15/2016 1:29 AM, FPP wrote:
>>>>> - Ability to not clutter your desktop with rarely used icons
>>> Has he ever touched an iPhone? What the fuck is he blathering on about?
>> I've barely touched an iPhone. AFAIK, there is no app drawer on an
>> iPhone. Is that correct? Do you have to jailbreak an iPhone in order
>> to get an app drawer app installed?
> why do you want an app drawer installed? there's no need for one.

Sure there's a need for one. The app drawer icon is accessible from
every desktop screen, not just the homescreen. If you put the icons for
apps that aren't used often in a folder, can you access that folder from
any screen like you can the app drawer icon?

>
>> On my current Android phone, the
>> manufacturer did away with the app drawer and that is not a good thing.
>> For every app, there's an icon on the screen. I don't want an icon for
>> every app on the screen, I want them only in the app drawer. I find the
>> app drawer a great feature of Android.
> why get an app at all if you're not going to be using it?

I didn't say I don't use them but there are some apps that aren't used
often, I don't want those icons cluttering up the screen.

>
> in any event, you can put the lesser used apps in a folder and put that
> folder wherever you want, *and* you can arrange the apps within the
> folder any way you want, unlike a drawer.

That's a workaround and might be fine for some, maybe even most users.
I prefer an app drawer for reasons I noted in my first response in this
message.

[Davoud]

PAS:

> I've barely touched an iPhone. AFAIK, there is no app drawer on an
> iPhone. Is that correct? Do you have to jailbreak an iPhone in order
> to get an app drawer app installed? On my current Android phone, the
> manufacturer did away with the app drawer and that is not a good thing.
> For every app, there's an icon on the screen. I don't want an icon for
> every app on the screen, I want them only in the app drawer. I find the
> app drawer a great feature of Android.

OK, great, super, just fine, have fun, enjoy, be my guest. But what has
that to do with me? I prefer to use iOS.

[Jolly Roger]

We surely have. But he will inevitably change his name to something else
to dodge filters and troll again here. He's been doing it for ages. He
probably has hundreds of nyms.

[nospam]

In article <nmaur2$bf0$2...@dont-email.me>, PAS <a...@doremi.net> wrote:

> >> On 7/15/2016 1:29 AM, FPP wrote:
> >>>>> - Ability to not clutter your desktop with rarely used icons
> >>> Has he ever touched an iPhone? What the fuck is he blathering on about?
> >> I've barely touched an iPhone. AFAIK, there is no app drawer on an
> >> iPhone. Is that correct? Do you have to jailbreak an iPhone in order
> >> to get an app drawer app installed?
> > why do you want an app drawer installed? there's no need for one.
>
> Sure there's a need for one. The app drawer icon is accessible from
> every desktop screen, not just the homescreen.

that's what the dock is for, along with the first homescreen, as well
as spotlight search.

> If you put the icons for
> apps that aren't used often in a folder, can you access that folder from
> any screen like you can the app drawer icon?

sure. just put that folder in the dock, or use spotlight to search for
the app. it's not a big deal.

if the apps aren't often used then they don't really need to be
accessible from any homescreen anyway.

> >> On my current Android phone, the
> >> manufacturer did away with the app drawer and that is not a good thing.
> >> For every app, there's an icon on the screen. I don't want an icon for
> >> every app on the screen, I want them only in the app drawer. I find the
> >> app drawer a great feature of Android.
> > why get an app at all if you're not going to be using it?
>
> I didn't say I don't use them but there are some apps that aren't used
> often, I don't want those icons cluttering up the screen.

then put them on the 2nd to last homescreen, perhaps in a folder.

> > in any event, you can put the lesser used apps in a folder and put that
> > folder wherever you want, *and* you can arrange the apps within the
> > folder any way you want, unlike a drawer.
>
> That's a workaround and might be fine for some, maybe even most users.
> I prefer an app drawer for reasons I noted in my first response in this
> message.

no real need. it would be a duplication of the homescreens.

android *needs* it because apps aren't necessarily on a homescreen
which makes deleting them more involved.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-07-15, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <nmaur2$bf0$2...@dont-email.me>, PAS <a...@doremi.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sure there's a need for one. The app drawer icon is accessible from
>> every desktop screen, not just the homescreen.
>
> that's what the dock is for, along with the first homescreen, as well
> as spotlight search.

No shit. This entire "Android has an app drawer so it's better than iOS"
argument is ludicrous. Both operating systems offer users a way to place
rarely used apps in a certain location, and that's sufficient for most
rational people.

>> If you put the icons for apps that aren't used often in a folder, can
>> you access that folder from any screen like you can the app drawer
>> icon?
>
> sure. just put that folder in the dock, or use spotlight to search for
> the app. it's not a big deal.
>
> if the apps aren't often used then they don't really need to be
> accessible from any homescreen anyway.

No shit, again. One has to boggle at the idea that someone would
actually want apps that are barely ever (or never) used to be accessible
on *every* desktop screen. What is the point in that, unless you are OCD
or something?

If I find I never use an app, I *delete* it from the device since
there's absolutely no reason to have it installed and I can easily
download it later. Apps I use rarely placed further away from front and
center so they are out of my way. My most frequently used apps are the
ones that are front and center. And only the top few of those frequently
used apps are placed on the Dock so they are always visible on every
page.

>> I didn't say I don't use them but there are some apps that aren't used
>> often, I don't want those icons cluttering up the screen.

Yet you want the app drawer that holds all of them to be on every
screen... Sounds confusing and strange to me.

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:03:50 -0400, PAS wrote:

> I've barely touched an iPhone. AFAIK, there is no app drawer on an
> iPhone. Is that correct?

There is the *need* for an app drawer on any mobile device.

From a psychology standpoint, what people like Jolly Roger do is
*deprecate* the fully functional App Drawer that is on Android - and - at
the very same time - they espouse the use model of creating a folder to put
all unused apps on in iOS.

What I don't understand is the PSYCHOLOGY of such idiots.

How can they deprecate the App Drawer in one breath, and in the next breath
they suggest as an organizational solution that people like crankypuss
essentially create a non-functional App Drawer folder on iOS?

I'm not arguing the technical merits here - because they're quite clear.

What I don't understand is the mixed-up PSYCHOLOGY of the Apple Apologists
here.

> Do you have to jailbreak an iPhone in order
> to get an app drawer app installed?

To my knowledge, there is no such beast in iOS.
Everyone acknowledges the need.
So what they all do is create a folder and stick unused icons in that
folder.

That's the technical part - which is fine.
What I don't understand is that they deprecate the Android App Drawer - yet
- they build their own App Drawer from scratch.

That's what I don't get.
They don't think right.
Why?

> On my current Android phone, the
> manufacturer did away with the app drawer and that is not a good thing.

Are you sure?
On my S3 with the Nova launcher, the App Drawer "icon" is merely an icon.
So I can delete it from the desktop, and then it "appears" that I can't get
to the app drawer.

But it's still there.

> For every app, there's an icon on the screen. I don't want an icon for
> every app on the screen, I want them only in the app drawer. I find the
> app drawer a great feature of Android.

That's stupid to have an icon for every app on the screen.
You should have TOTAL CONTROL of what app icons show up on the screen.

If you're on Android, you need a *different* launcher.
Check out "Nova free" which is extremely functional.
You can also try "Google Now" although I don't use that one so you'll have
to ask others for how to work it.

The beauty of Android is that you can choose your launcher at will.
The launcher changes (almost) *everything* about the look and feel.

For example, Samsung put in "TouchWiz" as the launcher.
It sucks - compared to Nova free.

On iOS, Apple chooses the launcher.
On Android, YOU choose the launcher.

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:29:08 -0400, FPP wrote:

> Has he ever touched an iPhone? What the fuck is he blathering on about?

Despite Jolly Roger saying an 8 year old can jailbreak an iPhone from start
to finish in five minutes, I've jailbroken an iPhone (an iPhone 3) to get
it to work on T-Mobile.

I've set up iPads so well that I'm not embarrassed to show my desktop,
while *everyone* here is embarrassed to show the lack of abilities to
organize the desktop has them "just give up".

I've set up Android also, many times.
And I buy phones as gifts.

I've just helped (with your help) a kid migrate from a Nexus 5 to an iPhone
6s, and half my family is on Apple equipment (mostly the women).

In fact, they *gave* me the iPads because they knew I could never justify
the price, even though I give out more equipment than they do, in general.

So, I know iOS.
I make iOS do what "I" want it to do.

That takes more intelligence than it does to stay within the walled garden,
because I have to fight the decisions from Apple all the time, just to get
file access and interoperability.

So, yes, I know iOS.

[Aardvarks]

On 15 Jul 2016 16:36:58 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> We surely have. But he will inevitably change his name to something else
> to dodge filters and troll again here. He's been doing it for ages. He
> probably has hundreds of nyms.

I change nyms for privacy.
I never hide who I am.
I tell details nobody would tell if they were.
I use the same style.
And within any thread, I am only one nym.
In addition, I never troll.

YOU TROLL.

You never add value.
You just call everyone a troll.
It's funny, but you call people "me" who aren't me.

So, all you do is troll.

But that's not the question here.

It's clear that I tell the truth.
It's clear that I back up what I say.

It's clear that I'm open minded, about Android, Linux, Windows, and iOS.
What's not clear is why people like nospam and Michael Eyd feel they have
to "lie" to "protect" the iOS image.

I don't lie to protect the Android or Linux or Windows or iOS image.
I tell the truth.

But only on the Apple newsgroups is there this preponderance of people who
lie to protect the product.

The question is why?

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:29:50 -0400, FPP wrote:

> I already did... that's why I had to reply to him through one of your
> quoted posts.

The difference between you and me is that you're *emotionally* attached to
your software & hardware decisions.

So, like nospam and Michael Eyd, you might "lie" to protect that image.

To me, Android is just an OS.
To me, iOS is just an OS.

I have both.
I can do a *lot* more on Android than on iOS, so, I "prefer" Android over
iOS (because I don't "just give up"), but to you, if you "just give up",
you'll actually prefer iOS over Android.

And that's fine.
What I don't understand is why a huge number of the Apple people "lie" to
cover up the faults of the software.

The Android users don't lie like that.
Android sucks for lots of things (updating the OS for one).

We Android users can say that without lying about it.
But Apple users, for the most part, feel they must resort to lying to
"protect" their image.

That's the PSYCHOLOGICAL thing I don't understand about Apple users.

They'll lie and say itunes is not bloatware, even though just typing
"bloatware" into a Google search comes up with a page of examples, all of
which have iTunes as the canonical example.

The examples abound.
What I don't understand is why Apple Apologists resort to lies to "protect"
their image.

Android, Linux, and Windows users don't do that.

Why just Apple users?
What's "different" that they feel they have to lie?

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:38:01 -0400, nospam wrote:

> why do you want an app drawer installed? there's no need for one.

This is not a technical thread, so, let's assume you feel that there is no
need for an app drawer in the current iOS.

That means you feel there is no need to "hide" icons for apps that are not
often (or maybe even never) used.

OK. Nothing wrong with you wanting a messy disorganized desktop that is so
messy that you're embarrassed to show it here.

But, *other* people don't want a messy disorganized desktop.
Those people *need* the concept of a fully functional App Drawer.

> why get an app at all if you're not going to be using it?

Again, this is not a technical thread, but I suspect the App Drawer icon is
simply hidden (which I can do too, at least with my Nova Launcher).

But the point is that the USER wants an app drawer because he wants an
organized desktop.

You have a completely disorganized desktop and that's fine that you're too
embarrassed to show it to us.

But this user wants an organized desktop.

What part of that don't you understand?

> in any event, you can put the lesser used apps in a folder and put that
> folder wherever you want, *and* you can arrange the apps within the
> folder any way you want, unlike a drawer.

Heh heh ... he's asking you to build your own App Drawer from scratch!

He does have a point that you can sort of organize the App Drawer folder on
iOS by name, which you can't do (to my knowledge) on Android - but - on the
Android App drawer if I hit Menu and "Manage Apps", in addition to the
alphabetical sort, I can sort by the following:
- Sort by ALL apps
- Sort by currently RUNNING apps
- Sort by SD CARD
- Sort by apps you DOWNLOADED
- Sort by size

So, while the iOS app drawer concept is outright primitive, even the
Android App drawer functionality needs functionality enhancements.

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:17:54 -0400, PAS wrote:

> I didn't say I don't use them but there are some apps that aren't used
> often, I don't want those icons cluttering up the screen.

The point of this thread is PSYCHOLOGY, not TECHNOLOGY.

From a psychology standpoint, only a fool wouldn't want the inherent
capability to organize his/her desktop.

From a technologly standpoint, your ability to organize a desktop on iOS is
primitive, compared to what it is on Android.

However, you said you don't have an App Drawer on Android, which I *assume*
simply means that the App Drawer "icon" was removed from your desktop.

I suggest that you can resolve that technological problem 2 ways:
a. If the icon was removed, just put it back
b. If the app drawer doesn't exist on your launcher, use another launcher

I strongly suggest the free Nova launcher, but you have something like a
few dozen to choose from on Android.

On iOS, you get zero choice.

> That's a workaround and might be fine for some, maybe even most users.
> I prefer an app drawer for reasons I noted in my first response in this
> message.

As I said, from a psychology standpoint, it's healthy and normal to want to
organize the desktop the way YOU want to organize it.

From a technology standpoint, I suspect you're merely missing the app
drawer icon.

If you're truly missing an "app drawer", I find that there are lots of "app
drawer" apps in Google Play, so you probably will find one that has the
features you like.

Of course, if you're on iOS, you're stuck with a dumb folder, so, I find it
funny that the iOS people (like Jolly Roger) deprecate the App Drawer
concept on Android - where he doesn't like the fact that you have the
choice.

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:41:09 -0400, nospam wrote:

> that's what the dock is for, along with the first homescreen, as well
> as spotlight search.

IMHO, you should never have to "search" for your apps.
However, I do agree with nospam that the DOCK is where you stick app icons
(and folders of app icons if you prefer) for the stuff that you want to
stay on all the desktops.

Of course, in Android, you can just put an "App Drawer" icon on *each*
desktop, so, the point is that you have the freedom to do whatever you
want.

On iOS, you're far more restricted as to what Apple allows you to do to
organize your desktop the way *YOU* want it organized.

> sure. just put that folder in the dock, or use spotlight to search for
> the app. it's not a big deal.

Yup. It's a crime if you have to resort to searching to find your app, but
he's right. You just stick the folder or app in a dock on iOS.

In Android, you have far more choice as to how you do it.

> if the apps aren't often used then they don't really need to be
> accessible from any homescreen anyway.

This is true.

> then put them on the 2nd to last homescreen, perhaps in a folder.

I only have one desktop screen, by design, but if you have plenty of
desktop screens, that idea should work for you.

> android *needs* it because apps aren't necessarily on a homescreen
> which makes deleting them more involved.

This is where I don't get the Apple Apologists' psychology.

Notice that statement that Android "needs" the App Drawer is made in the
same breath that nospam suggests the user *create* an App Drawer.

Yet he feels the need to deprecate the Android setup which has *everything*
that the iOS setup has, and tons (and tons more).
- On Android, you can delete the App Drawer icon if you want
- On Android, you can delete *any* app icon (every one) if you want
- On Android, you can hide or show *any* app icon if you want
- On Android, you can have the app icon in *multiple* places if you want
- On Android, you can have any launcher you want
- On Android, in any launcher, you can have any App Drawer app you want
- On Android, you can organize your apps any way you want
Note: I will agree that "my" Nova App Drawer doesn't allow any order I
want, but I'd wager that if I wanted that feature, one of the many App
Drawer apps that are available on Android probably allows any organization.

What I don't understand is the psychology of the Apple Apologists, like
nospam, who not only defend the extremely primitive Apple lack of an App
Drawer, but they deprecate what is essentially far more powerful and far
more useful than the primitive Apple offering.

In addition, they lie, by saying Android "needs" the App Drawer, when with
the App Drawer, you can easily replicate exactly what's on iOS while you
can do so much more (that's why I used the words "fully functional").

So it's the PSYCHOLOGY of the Apple Apologist that I'm trying to
understand.

The Apple Apologists make no sense.

What is it about their PSYCHOLOGY that makes them deprecate an offering in
Android that is clearly equal to and far better than the equivalent
offering in iOS?

[nospam]

In article <nmbart$2f7$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks

<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

>
> There is the *need* for an app drawer on any mobile device.

no.

[nospam]

In article <nmbcj1$547$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks

<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

>
> So it's the PSYCHOLOGY of the Apple Apologist that I'm trying to
> understand.

start with the psychology of yourself first.

it's not too late.

[ElfinArc6]

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> Wrote in message:

He does a pretty good job of it.
--
Elfin

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:26:32 -0400, Davoud wrote:

> OK, great, super, just fine, have fun, enjoy, be my guest. But what has
> that to do with me? I prefer to use iOS.

Since you prefer iOS, but you aren't a classic Apple Apologist, maybe you
can answer the question?

What is it about the classic Apple Apologists (nospam and Jolly Roger come
to mind) where they can't tell the truth because they always feel the need
to defend the decisions made by Apple?

In fact, Jolly Roger just now showed how insanely closed minded he is, in
that he deprecates the App Drawer in the same breath that he espouses the
App Drawer concept on iOS, and in the same breath that he asks the user why
they would want to do anything differently than the way Apple tells them to
do it.

What makes the Apple Apologists THINK like that?

[Aardvarks]

On 15 Jul 2016 17:07:43 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> No shit. This entire "Android has an app drawer so it's better than iOS"
> argument is ludicrous. Both operating systems offer users a way to place
> rarely used apps in a certain location, and that's sufficient for most
> rational people.

You, Jolly Roger, are the PERFECT Apple Apologist.
SO it behooves us to understand your particular psychology.

You berate the App Drawer, yet you suggest people build their own App
Drawer.

You ignore the fact that you can't do a half dozen ubiquitous
organizational tasks (on all other operating systems other than iOS), and
then you lie by twisting words.

WHY do you do that?
What is it in your brain that makes you incapable of understanding facts?
Why do you DISTORT those facts to APOLOGIZE for Apple flaws?

You know as well as anyone that the primitive iOS launcher:
- The primitive iOS launcher can't remove *any* icon from the desktop
- The primitive iOS launcher can't have the same icon in multiple places
- The primitive iOS launcher can't organize apps by size or by location
- etc.

NOTE: I'm only listing the things related to the "App Drawer" concept,
because the list of things that the primitive iOS launcher can't do is
extremely long otherwise (e.g., any grid, placeholders, etc.)

The only thing that the primitive iOS launcher can do with an App Drawer
that "my" App Drawer from Nova doesn't do is if the user manually organizes
unused apps into an iOS folder, they can sort alphabetically whereas I
can't.

However, there are a ton of App Drawer apps on Google Play, so if I ever
wanted "that" feature - I'll wager that it exists (since it's trivial to
do).

This is not a technical thread.
This thread asks what is it about your PSYCHOLOGY that makes you deprecate
what is, in effect, an App Drawer on Android that does EVERYTHING that your
App Drawer does on iOS, and so much more that it's not funny.

Yet, you deprecate it on Android in the *same* breath that you advocate
it's use on iOS.

That's what I don't get about you classic Apple Apologists.
It's like you can't think straight.

> No shit, again. One has to boggle at the idea that someone would
> actually want apps that are barely ever (or never) used to be accessible
> on *every* desktop screen. What is the point in that, unless you are OCD
> or something?

You're wrong (again), but only because you are unable to think any other
way than the way you can think.

You have no concept of someone else's use model being valid.
To you, there is ONE and ONLY ONE use model - which is - the APPLE USE
MODEL!

To you, there is no other valid use model.
Your mind is closed shut, and probably always was.

While "I" don't put rarely used icons on my one desktop, I can *easily* see
good reasons for others wanting to do so.

For example, there are "911" emergency apps, which with one click set alarm
bells going off on other phones. I can easily see that being a rarely used
app that you might want on any desktop of your screen.

In addition, while I rarely record people talking, there are times when you
might want to very quickly hit the record button (e.g., if a cop pulls you
over or if a conversation gets dicey).

That's two situations right off the bat where there could be a user who
wants a rarely used app to be on all his/her screens.

That YOU can't imagine that just indicates how closed minded you classic
Apple Apologists are.

You only can conceive of A SINGLE WAY OF DOING EVERYTHING.
And any other way, to you, is invalid.

That's what I don't understand about you Apple Apologists.
How can you be so very closed minded such that you'll lie and distort the
truth and invalidate every other use model but yours?

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:32:07 -0400, Davoud wrote:

> And if your question is a psychology question, post it in a psychology
> group.

But they won't even know what an Apple Apologist is.

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:42:32 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

> Bullshit! I never said that and you won't find *any* proof of me saying
> anything different! If you can't read (and comprehend) what I'm writing,
> that's your problem, not mine. My statements were perfectly clear. But
> if you take the answer to one of your claims and take it for a
> completely different claim of your, please tell who's lying here now?
>
> So either you take your claim of me lying back, or I'm out of here right
> away.

Which of the following do you say can be done on iOS out of the box?
- Load software outside the Apple ecosystem
- Change the launcher to entirely change the look & feel
- Control what data programs have access to from other programs
- Traverse & modify the entire file system (or almost all of it)
- Install the "real" Tor Browser Bundle and "Obot" anonymous VPN
- Redirect files & types of files at will (using a File Redirector)
- Perform detailed wardriving scans (such as what WiGle WiFi does)
- Organize the desktop with icons on any grid whatsoever
- Hide *any* icon whatsoever no matter what the icon is
- Put icons in multiple places for logical organization
- Create empty named placeholder folders for organization
- Automatically record calls in jurisdictions where it's legal
- Use bitTorrent applications to download torrent files
- Automatically store installers offline to user storage
- Then *use* those offline installers on other similar mobile devices
- Use a *fully-functional* "App Drawer" for rarely used apps

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:16:50 -0400, nospam wrote:

> start with the psychology of yourself first.
>
> it's not too late.

:)

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:16:46 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> There is the *need* for an app drawer on any mobile device.
>
> no

Then how do you hide rarely used icons of programs on iOS?

[nospam]

In article <nmbdon$6rt$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks

<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

>
> > And if your question is a psychology question, post it in a psychology
> > group.
>
> But they won't even know what an Apple Apologist is.

whoosh.

[ElfinArc6]

Aardvarks <aard...@a.b.c.com> Wrote in message:

You could stuff them into a folder I suppose if it bothered you.
Or you could just have a screen with the icons showing that you
use all the time, and other screens for those lesser used ones,
which is what I do.

Having used, and still use on occasion, both Android and iOS, I
find iOS to be more to my liking. And I've noticed that I don't
have the incessant need to 'rationalize' or 'justify' my choice
as it seems you do. Possibly you would enjoy whichever one you
choose a bit more if you stopped your continuuing trollish
efforts.

You could also just fuck off!
--
Elfin

[Aardvarks]

On 15 Jul 2016 05:19:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Why does Aardvarks troll?

What I'm trying to understand is WHY you Apple Apologists lie to protect
your Apple image.

Why don't the Android Enthusiasts lie?
We don't lie because we don't care to protect the Android image.

Android sucks for lots of things.
Apple sucks for lots of things.
Android is great for lots of things.
Apple is great for some things.

I think the difference here, is that the Apple Apologists bought Apple
equipment not for price:performance reasons - but for IMAGE reasons.

So, you lie to protect the image of the product image you bought into.

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:35:48 -0400, FPP wrote:

> Maybe he just wants to save us from cluttering up our desktops with
> rarely used icons - you know... one of those things you can only avoid
> if you have an Android device.

I don't consider you one of the Apple Apologists.
You don't seem to lie to protect the image of the product you chose.

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:18:24 -0500 (CDT), ElfinArc6 wrote:

> He does a pretty good job of it.

I accidentally sent the post twice 'cuz of a hiccup, and I tried to
"CANCEL" this, but it still went through.

[ElfinArc6]

Aardvarks <aard...@a.b.c.com> Wrote in message:

You've been lying since day one. I suppose I should commend you
for your excellent trollish skills.

--
Elfin

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:40:51 -0500 (CDT), ElfinArc6 wrote:

>>>> There is the *need* for an app drawer on any mobile device.
>>>
>>> no
>>
>> Then how do you hide rarely used icons of programs on iOS?
>>
>
> You could stuff them into a folder I suppose if it bothered you.

Heh heh... that's the point.

> Or you could just have a screen with the icons showing that you
> use all the time, and other screens for those lesser used ones,
> which is what I do.

Heh heh ... don't you see that this is the point.

> Having used, and still use on occasion, both Android and iOS, I
> find iOS to be more to my liking. And I've noticed that I don't
> have the incessant need to 'rationalize' or 'justify' my choice
> as it seems you do.

I have both iOS and Android.
I know the difference.

What I don't understand is that the Android users bought on
price:performance so they *know* what they have and they don't lie about
it.

The Apple user, apparently bought purely on image, so, they feel the need
to APOLOGIZE for what they have - but they apologize by lying.

As you know, nospam and Jolly Roger *incessantly* lie about Apple
capabilities (just as crankypuss what he concluded after dealing with them
for just a week or three).

So the question is WHY.
I think Michael Eyd helped me figure out the tentative answer.

> Possibly you would enjoy whichever one you
> choose a bit more if you stopped your continuuing trollish
> efforts.

I enjoy both.
I can get far more done on Android - but the kids love the iPads.

The question here is not technical.
The question here is why the Apple Apologists feel the need to incessantly
lie about iOS' lack of capabilities where the Android Enthusiasts don't
feel that need to lie about the deficiencies in Android.

I think the reason may be, after talking with Michael Eyd, that the Android
user bought on price:performance, and hence he feels no need to lie about
Android capabilities.

Meanwhile, the Apple Apologist bought on pure image, so, the need to lie to
protect the image seems to be paramount to them.

> You could also just fuck off!

Erudite you are!

:)

[Aardvarks]

I think I have the answer, and I thank Michael Eyd for helping me figure it
out.

HYPOTHESIS:

a. The Apple Enthusiast bought on image; hence, the Apple Enthusiast feels
the need to lie to protect the image of the product they bought into for
social esteem reasons.

b. The Android Enthusiast bought on price:performance; hence the Android
Enthusiast feels no need to lie to protect the image of the product they
bought into for practical reasons.

SUMMARY:
a. Esteem
b. Pragmatics

[Savageduck]

...but they might have a pretty good take on what you are.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Meanie]

Denial is a bitch.

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:01:10 -0500 (CDT), ElfinArc6 wrote:

> You've been lying since day one. I suppose I should commend you
> for your excellent trollish skills.

:)

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:39:47 -0400, Meanie wrote:

> Denial is a bitch.

Witty too!
:)

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:17:17 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> ...but they might have a pretty good take on what you are.

I'm a well balanced person when it comes to technical acumen, but I'm also
Aspergers, so, it's hard for me to deal with people who are Apple
Apologists because I don't have the social skills to deal with constant
duplicity.

Ask crankypuss what it's like dealing with the Apple Apologists versus with
slightly more normal people such as those on the Linux or Android or
English or Car groups that I frequent.

On all newsgroups, there are all types of people, but there isn't such a
preponderance of people who will lie to protect the image of their product
on the Linux and Windows and Android newsgroups are there are here.

I think I finally figured out why.

a. The people who bought the other operating systems bought on
price:performance, and they don't feel the need to defend their choice

b. The people who bought in on iOS did so less on price performance
(obviously), and far more on pure "image", such that it bothers them
(immensely) whenever that image is portrayed realistically.

[Jolly Roger]

He's actually proud of what he does. It's a sickness.

[Aardvarks]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:07:32 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> a. The Apple Enthusiast bought on image; hence, the Apple Enthusiast feels
> the need to lie to protect the image of the product they bought into for
> social esteem reasons.

I think there's also the element of being safe inside the walled garden
which the Apple Apologists bought into.

A. The Apple Apologists bought on *image* (not price:performance)
B. The Apple Apologist finds safety being a herd animal (walled garden)

They abhor non-supported non-trendy platforms such as Linux & Android
because:

a. They're not trendy
b. They're not part of their herd

[FPP]

On 2016-07-15 14:03:50 +0000, PAS <a...@doremi.net> said:

> On 7/15/2016 1:29 AM, FPP wrote:
>>
>>>> - Ability to not clutter your desktop with rarely used icons
>>
>> Has he ever touched an iPhone? What the fuck is he blathering on about?
>
> I've barely touched an iPhone. AFAIK, there is no app drawer on an
> iPhone. Is that correct? Do you have to jailbreak an iPhone in order
> to get an app drawer app installed? On my current Android phone, the
> manufacturer did away with the app drawer and that is not a good thing.
> For every app, there's an icon on the screen. I don't want an icon
> for every app on the screen, I want them only in the app drawer. I
> find the app drawer a great feature of Android.

You can group any number of icons together into a containing "folder",
which is a single icon. I learned that one the first day I had my
iPhone, right out of the box.

I detest the clutter, and only show the icons I absolutely use every
day... and one other folder to collect the detritus.
--
"Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil." - Roosevelt

[FPP]

On 2016-07-15 08:42:32 +0000, Michael Eyd <inv...@eyd.de> said:

> Am 15.07.2016 um 01:20 schrieb Aardvarks:
>> This is NOT a technical question.
>> This is a PSYCHOLOGOY question.
>>
>> *Why do Apple Apologists lie constatnly about iOS capabilities?*
>>
>> In another thread, I listed at least a dozen things I do on Android every
>> day that just aren't possible on my iOS devices, and both nospam and
>> Michael Eyd said they could easily do most of those things on iOS.

>
> Bullshit! I never said that and you won't find *any* proof of me saying
> anything different! If you can't read (and comprehend) what I'm
> writing, that's your problem, not mine. My statements were perfectly
> clear. But if you take the answer to one of your claims and take it for
> a completely different claim of your, please tell who's lying here now?
>
> So either you take your claim of me lying back, or I'm out of here right away.
>

> Michael

I wouldn't give him the satisfaction. It's not worth getting worked up
over... nobody believes what he's saying anyway, least of all him.

His kind lives for seeing his marks get flustered... so just tell him
to fuck off, just killfile him.

It's much more satisfying - or has been for me, at least.
--
"Life sucks… buy a fucking helmet." - Denis Leary

[Aardvarks]

On 16 Jul 2016 04:28:59 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> He's actually proud of what he does. It's a sickness.

You are correct that I'm happy that I finally started to realize why the
Apple Apologist is so irate when iOS is compared to Android in terms of
performance and price.

A. The Apple Apologists bought on *image* (not price:performance)
B. The Apple Apologist finds safety being a herd animal (walled garden)

The Apple Apologist seems to abhor non-supported non-trendy platforms such
as Linux & Android, simply because:

[Aardvarks]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 01:01:44 -0400, FPP wrote:

> You can group any number of icons together into a containing "folder",
> which is a single icon. I learned that one the first day I had my
> iPhone, right out of the box.
>
> I detest the clutter, and only show the icons I absolutely use every
> day... and one other folder to collect the detritus.

I have iOS iPads, with something like 120 to 150 apps and Android phones
with over 200 apps, and all have a single desktop screen, with all the apps
neatly organized, *never* more than 1 or two clicks away and with zero
swipes ever (by design).

Everyone here has seen the screenshots, so I won't upload them again, but
nobody else is as organized on their devices as I am (as far as anyone here
has proven).

Given that I'm one of the best, if not the best, at least by those willing
to actually prove what they say, rest assured, it *can* be done.

It's just a hellova lot easier to organize apps when you're in Android than
when you're in iOS because the iOS launcher is primitive compared to the
modern Android launchers.

But it *can* be done.

[tlvp]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:07:32 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> a. The Apple Enthusiast bought on image; hence, the Apple Enthusiast
> feels the need to lie to protect the image of the product they bought into
> for social esteem reasons.

> b. The Android Enthusiast bought on price:performance; hence the Android
> Enthusiast feels no need to lie to protect the image of the product they
> bought into for practical reasons.

I don't buy that. Many's the Android Enthusiast who likewise bought an
over-priced Sammie Galaxy S high# "... on image; hence ... feels the need

to lie to protect the image of the product they bought into for social

esteem reasons." It's a ... goose ... gander ... situation.

Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

[badgolferman]

Aardvarks wrote:

>On 16 Jul 2016 04:28:59 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> He's actually proud of what he does. It's a sickness.
>
>You are correct that I'm happy that I finally started to realize why
>the Apple Apologist is so irate when iOS is compared to Android in
>terms of performance and price.
>

>A. The Apple Apologists bought on image (not price:performance)

>B. The Apple Apologist finds safety being a herd animal (walled
>garden)
>
>The Apple Apologist seems to abhor non-supported non-trendy platforms
>such as Linux & Android, simply because:
>
>a. They're not trendy
>b. They're not part of their herd

My iPhone6 is a company phone. I started out with Blackberrys but
found them quite cumbersome with terrible microphones. Even worse was
they had hardly any apps.

When it was time for me to upgrade the only options available were
another Blackberry or an iPhone4. I really wanted an Android device
but they were not available due to their pedestrian security features.
Eventually I got used to the iPhone and became proficient at it.

I have compared my iPhone to my wife's Samsung Galaxy S5 and am pleased
that I don't have her operating system. I fiind it clunky and
difficult to do things, but that may be because I'm used to using iOS
now. I would like the ability to customize my OS, but jailbreaking is
not an option since it's a company phone. We both agree pictures and
videos taken on my phone are superior to her phone despite what the
specs are. The microphone on her phone isn't very good quality either.

Today my company offers Galaxy phones, but I will probably stay with
the iPhone when it's time for a refresh.

[crankypuss]

Aardvarks wrote:

> This is NOT a technical question.
> This is a PSYCHOLOGOY question.
>
> *Why do Apple Apologists lie constatnly about iOS capabilities?*
>

> In another thread, <SNIP>

If it isn't a technical question, shouldn't it be marked [OT]?

I hope nobody has left any replies for me in this thread because I'm
marking the freakin' thing "all read" and moving on.

--
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
[Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]

[Aardvarks]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 02:42:17 -0400, tlvp wrote:

> I don't buy that. Many's the Android Enthusiast who likewise bought an
> over-priced Sammie Galaxy S high# "... on image; hence ... feels the need
> to lie to protect the image of the product they bought into for social
> esteem reasons." It's a ... goose ... gander ... situation.

Fair point, if they bought their Android phones based more on style and
cachet reasons than on technical price:performance reasons.

[Aardvarks]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 01:08:36 -0400, FPP wrote:

> I wouldn't give him the satisfaction. It's not worth getting worked up
> over... nobody believes what he's saying anyway, least of all him.

Here is a summary of the steps taken in this thread to solve the problem:

a. The kid charged the Verizon iPhone 6 and it worked fine in WiFI
b. We called T-Mobile and provided the old Verizon phone number
c. T-Mobile confirmed that was a Verizon phone number (not much else)
d. But T-Mobile warned the phone "could" be locked or blocked
e. However, another T-Mobile rep said it's unlikely to be locked
f. Likewise, nospam and other technically astute people agreed
g. Folks here recommended she install the wonderful MoveToiOS app
h. She installed that app on Android and moved from Android to iOS
i. That app didn't work the first time - but worked fine the 2nd time
j. Meanwhile, we ordered a T-Mobile nano SIM (which arrived within a week)
k. She installed that nano SIM and called 611 from the iPhone 6
l. T-Mobile only asked for the 20-character SIM card number
m. In a minute, the Verizon iPhone 6s was working fine on T-Mobile
o. The kid likes the new iPhone 6 *better* than the old Nexus 5
p. Specifically, the iPhone 6 takes "better pictures" (she says)
q. Everything else, she said, is "about the same"
r. She has been porting over the apps she cares about, one by one
s. The only app that is giving us trouble so far is Signal
t. She asked if she should port Signal over & I told her "no"
u. I told her the iPhone SMS app is "almost as secure" as Signal
v. I also told her to use her real email address (which is unusual)
w. And I mailed her a list of the best free iPhone utilities around
x. At this point, there is only one software problem
y. She can send me SMS from the iPhone SMS app
z. But my SMS from Signal still goes to her Nexus 5 for some reason

Signal bug with the reset secure session setting:
http://i.cubeupload.com/d1ZPWP.jpg

Signal bug with the results of reset secure session setting:
http://i.cubeupload.com/w0afgH.jp

[Aardvarks]

Can a single iOS user prove they can do any of these simple things which I
do all day, every day, on Android?

Jolly Roger and nospam *say* (aka, lie) that they can do *all* these thigns
on iOS, yet, ask them for proof - and see what you get in response.

1 Load software outside the Apple ecosystem
2 Change the launcher at will to entirely change the look & feel
3 Control what data programs have access to from other programs
4 Traverse & modify the entire file system (or almost all of it)
5 Install the "real" anonymos Tor Browser Bundle node system
6 Install the real anonymous "Orbot" free VPN server system
7 Redirect files & types of files at will (i.e., File Redirectors)
8 Perform detailed radio scanning (such as what WiGle WiFi does)
9 Organize the desktop with icons on any grid or no grid whatsoever
10 Hide *any* icon whatsoever no matter what the icon is
11 Put icons in multiple places for logical organization
12 Create empty named placeholder folders for organization
13 Use bitTorrent applications to download legal torrent files
14 Automatically store installers offline to user storage
15 Then *use* those offline installers on other similar mobile devices
16 Store hidden icons in a *fully-functional* offline "App Drawer" app
(and, no, a "folder" is not a fully-function app-drawer app).

The question isn't whether iOS can or can't do these things.
The question is why they lie.

I think the answer is simple, and now it no longer bothers me that they lie
so much.

a. They bought an "image" carefully crafted *by Apple Marketing*; so
anything that tarnishes that image they bought into, threatens them.

b. They are herd animals, so, again, anything that is done outside the herd
mentality (as defined by *Apple Marketing*), also threatens them.

That's why they lie!
The truth is a threat.

I finally understand why they lie so much.

[Michael Eyd]

Am 15.07.2016 um 20:43 schrieb Aardvarks:
> On 15 Jul 2016 16:36:58 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> We surely have. But he will inevitably change his name to something else
>> to dodge filters and troll again here. He's been doing it for ages. He
>> probably has hundreds of nyms.
>
> I change nyms for privacy.
> I never hide who I am.

You try to do it time after time.

> I tell details nobody would tell if they were.

Not that we were interested in the first place...

> I use the same style.

So much is true, indeed.

> And within any thread, I am only one nym.

Wrong, we already caught you on that. In other words: You're lying.

> In addition, I never troll.

You do it all the time.

> YOU TROLL.
>
> You never add value.
> You just call everyone a troll.
> It's funny, but you call people "me" who aren't me.
>
> So, all you do is troll.
>
> But that's not the question here.
>
> It's clear that I tell the truth.

No, it's not.

> It's clear that I back up what I say.

No, you don't. And if you do you usually come up with some 'facts' that
are (usually rather easily) debunked as misinterpreted, irrelevant,
outright false, ... But we are lying, sure.

> It's clear that I'm open minded,

You're everything but open minded, certainly not about iOS. But I assume
that you can't really understand the difference between your point of
view and that of a open minded person, taking your Asperger diagnosis
into account. If that's not made up as well...

> about Android, Linux, Windows, and iOS.
> What's not clear is why people like nospam and Michael Eyd feel they have
> to "lie" to "protect" the iOS image.

See? If people dare to have a different point of view than you, and
possibly even dare to argue for that point of view, not willing to
accept your superior view (a clear sign of Asperger for me), then you
can only resort to calling them liars.

> I don't lie to protect the Android or Linux or Windows or iOS image.

No, you don't. But you do everything, including ignoring facts given to
you in spades, and sometimes even outright lying, all in order to keep
*your* opinion up and for not having to confess that you were wrong.

> I tell the truth.

You tell *your* truth. Unfortunately (for you) that's by no means the
truth for other people as well.

> But only on the Apple newsgroups is there this preponderance of people who
> lie to protect the product.
>
> The question is why?

Why do you care? Even if it was true, you wouldn't be able to understand
the answer. But luckily, it isn't true in the first place. :-)

Michael

[Michael Eyd]

Am 15.07.2016 um 20:43 schrieb Aardvarks:

> To my knowledge, there is no such beast in iOS.
> Everyone acknowledges the need.

Wrong. I don't acknowledge the need for such a thing. I have I don't
know how many apps on my iPhone (most of which I hardly ever use, if at
all). Yet I never felt the need for any 'app drawer' at all. So your
generalization is wrong.

Michael

[PAS]

Android also has folders. I use them for a couple of apps. For my
most-used apps, I keep them on the home screen. For the ones I hardly
use, I access them from the app drawer. I hate the clutter too.

[Aardvarks]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:56:01 -0400, PAS wrote:

> Android also has folders. I use them for a couple of apps. For my
> most-used apps, I keep them on the home screen. For the ones I hardly
> use, I access them from the app drawer. I hate the clutter too.

While you, and most Android uses have that clutter-free use model, it's
impossible for iOS users to do the same thing.

So as a workaround, they propose that users create a folder named "App
Drawer" and that they stick the rarely-used apps there.

That is the workaround I use (only I named my folder "POS", but it's still
an "App Drawer" wannabe).

What's funny is that the iOS users bought into the Apple Marketing Mantra
so they deprecate that Android users *have* the choice of an App Drawer or
not.

Meanwhile, they *create* their own "App Drawer", and, worse, nospam
repeatedly tells us that this folder named "App Drawer" is *more
functional* than the many Android App Drawer utilities.

The only way you can figure them out is to realize they're protecting a
false image, and anything that goes against their false image is a dire
threat to them.

[Aardvarks]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:45:11 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

> Wrong. I don't acknowledge the need for such a thing. I have I don't
> know how many apps on my iPhone (most of which I hardly ever use, if at
> all). Yet I never felt the need for any 'app drawer' at all. So your
> generalization is wrong.

You don't organize anything on iOS?

[Aardvarks]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:33:59 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

>> I never hide who I am.
>
> You try to do it time after time.

Heh heh ... what I find funny is that people here accuse others of being
me, and often they miss when I am me.

Usually they only realize who I am when I give them complete details, such
as when I tell them I never pay a penny for software or that I use Linux
and that I know iTunes for what it is, etc.

But at the same time they accuse everyone else of being me, which is funny.

They even accused Marek of being me - just because he got frustrated with
their idiocy. And I think crankypuss got accused of being me too, for the
same reason that he had trouble understanding why they lie so much.

It frustrates normal people why they lie so blatantly; and it used to
frustrate me - but I'm content now that I realize they they're *protecting*
their fragile image.

a. They bought into a carefully crafted Apple Marketing strategy
b. They bought into the carefully crafted walled garden of safety

So anything *outside* the carefully crafted Apple Marketing strategy is a
very real and direct threat to them.

That's why they lie so much.
It's merely their protection mechanism.

>> I tell details nobody would tell if they were.
>
> Not that we were interested in the first place...

Fair enough.

>> I use the same style.
> So much is true, indeed.

Yup. The nym change is a privacy measure to avoid being snared in robo
nets, which is why I also change servers and proxies and Usenet clients and
headers purely at random.

But I don't try to hide who I am from the regulars.

In fact, you could probably, by now, triangulate me to within a mile of my
house.

Anyway, another way to tell is that I don't troll.
I ask the question; I respond to the queries; and then I disappear.

>> And within any thread, I am only one nym.
>
> Wrong, we already caught you on that. In other words: You're lying.

Nope. Once in a while I make a mistake, but within any one thread, I'm only
one nym. Sometimes I change machines, where the nyms are entirely separate
(since they're all totally random), so I use those nyms.

For example, if I feel the need to respond from Android, it has totally
different nyms and servers and proxies than does the Windows machine or the
Linux machines or even the iPads. They're all random. Even "I" don't know
what they are since I set the group to be a specific nym by default
(sometimes I forget to set the group preferences though).

>> In addition, I never troll.
> You do it all the time.

You call being responsive, "trolling".
You call a high post count, "trolling".

If I wanted to troll, it would be so easy since I understand the nature of
the users of this group. I don't wish to troll.

I simply wish to find out information about the product.

>> It's clear that I back up what I say.
>
> No, you don't. And if you do you usually come up with some 'facts' that
> are (usually rather easily) debunked as misinterpreted, irrelevant,
> outright false, ... But we are lying, sure.

You know, I probably have posted nearly a thousand photos and screenshots
to this newsgroup by way of proof of what I'm doing.

I probably posted over a score to this one thread alone.
Given I'm on Usenet a lot, I've probably posted more proof in a month than
you have done in your entire life.

How many screenshots of proof have you posted to this thread, for example?

>> It's clear that I'm open minded,
>
> You're everything but open minded, certainly not about iOS. But I assume
> that you can't really understand the difference between your point of
> view and that of a open minded person, taking your Asperger diagnosis
> into account. If that's not made up as well...

Here's where you're wrong - but you're entitled to your opinion.

Remember:
a. I didn't buy iOS to be part of the "safe" herd orchestrated by Apple
b. I didn't buy iOS to feel the cachet of the brand orchestrated by Apple

Heck. I didn't even *buy* iOS. I got all mine for free.
So the truth is not a threat to me as it is to the Apple Apologists.

> See? If people dare to have a different point of view than you, and
> possibly even dare to argue for that point of view, not willing to
> accept your superior view (a clear sign of Asperger for me), then you
> can only resort to calling them liars.

I do admit I don't have the same social skills you have for dealing with
duplicity. When nospam says "bullshit", it usually means he is trying to
protect his "image", so he feels that if he keeps saying "bullshit", then
the user will give up pressing the issue.

In nospam's fear-filled mind, he "saves face" because the fact said by the
first person was refuted by him (with the single word "bullshit" - no proof
is ever supplied because he has no proof).

But nospam has *many* ways to save face.

For example, he said that Android users can't turn off privileges one by
one for any app, which he was shown wrong (I've been doing it with App Ops
Starter for years!), so when I showed him a picture of that as proof, he
weaseled by saying that the ability that I have (in Android 4.3) is only
introduced later (I think he said Android 5 or 6 but it doesn't matter).

Another way nospam weasled on his lack of proof was when he said a "folder"
on an iOS device named "App Drawer" is *more functional* than the app
drawer apps that are on Android. What? How can he prove that one?

You know how? He weaseled again, and said that the "default" app drawer
that "he is familiar with" doesn't do that. Well, um, OK.

But there are something like a score or more of app drawer apps, not only
one for each launcher (the default for that launcher) but you can have a
dozen app drawer apps installed if you want to (I have about 8 and I proved
it).

Once again, nospam weaseled claiming there is only 1 app drawer app on
Android, and then claiming that a mere "folder" on iOS is *more functional*
than that one (imaginary?) king of all app drawer apps.

Why can't nospam just agree that iOS lacks the app drawer capabilities?
a. Because he bought into an image formed by Apple Marketing
b. And to tell the truth makes him feel less "safe" about his choices

So, he says "bullshit" to everything that threatens:
a. His self esteem on why he bought the product (orchestrated by Apple)
b. His safety in numbers by being of the herd (inside the walled garden)

> You tell *your* truth. Unfortunately (for you) that's by no means the
> truth for other people as well.

I'm only here to ask technical questions.
I am one of the most well balanced technical people here.

That's because I don't have to protect an *image* crafted by Apple
Marketing and because I'm not so scared of being outside the herd that
Apple Marketing wants me to be so scared of.

> Why do you care? Even if it was true, you wouldn't be able to understand
> the answer. But luckily, it isn't true in the first place. :-)

Michael,
The reason I cared, and that Marek cared and that crankypuss cared, and
that Poutnik cared, etc., is that it's befuddling why people like nospam
and Jolly Roger lie so blatantly so often. Something like half their posts
on technical questions are lies. The other half, at least for nospam, are
actually technically acute. Even Jolly Roger sometimes knows something
technical.

The rest don't matter. Michelle, while being a nice lady, doesn't know all
that much, and neither does Patty. Both Jamie's aren't worth the text they
type, and Lewis' posts are so useless to only be funny, for the most part.

Rod Speed often has a good point of view - and he takes probably the most
open-minded view of things - but he gets into this having-the-last-word
contest with nospam that just wastes space.

David Empson is almost always accurate, where he provides proof and
explains things nobody else can. And Sobriquet is also well balanced, but
he doesn't know as much as David Empson.

Me? I'm well balanced. I am *outside* the herd. I prove what I say.
I don't know much about iOS so I make mistakes - but if you show me
something that iOS does that I need to do, I try it and let you know how it
worked out.

Most of the time when you show something, it works out to some degree
(e.g., the manual crippleware call recorder). In that case, I *removed*
automatic call recording from the list - but I could have argued the point
but that wasn't my goal.

Likewise with sideline (It was a mistake on my part, mostly because I
didn't test it on an iPhone but on an iPad).

Still, we're left with not 20, but 16 things that answer the question
someone baited when they said the only thing Android can do that iOS can't
is hammer nails.

Interestingly, when the opposite question was asked, nospam said "security"
is one thing iOS can do that Android cant (and, while I explained that is
not totally true - again - I gave him a pass and didn't belabor the lack of
Orbot/Orfox anonymous VPN).

The fact that nospam extremely highly values security fits in with *why* he
bought iOS devices:
a. He bought on cachet (orchestrated by Apple Marketing)
b. He bought on being one with the herd (orchestrated by Apple Marketing)

So, basically, anything technical that goes against Apple Marketing
orchestration, nospam calls "bullshit".

[Aardvarks]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:33:59 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

>> I never hide who I am.
>
> You try to do it time after time.

Heh heh ... what I find funny is that people here accuse others of being
me, and often they miss when I am me.

Usually they only realize who I am when I give them complete details, such
as when I tell them I never pay a penny for software or that I use Linux
and that I know iTunes for what it is, etc.

But at the same time they accuse everyone else of being me, which is funny.

They even accused Marek of being me - just because he got frustrated with
their idiocy. And I think crankypuss got accused of being me too, for the
same reason that he had trouble understanding why they lie so much.

It frustrates normal people why they lie so blatantly; and it used to
frustrate me - but I'm content now that I realize they they're *protecting*
their fragile image.

a. They bought into a carefully crafted Apple Marketing strategy
b. They bought into the carefully crafted walled garden of safety

So anything *outside* the carefully crafted Apple Marketing strategy is a
very real and direct threat to them.

That's why they lie so much.
It's merely their protection mechanism.

>> I tell details nobody would tell if they were.
>
> Not that we were interested in the first place...

Fair enough.

>> I use the same style.
> So much is true, indeed.

Yup. The nym change is a privacy measure to avoid being snared in robo
nets, which is why I also change servers and proxies and Usenet clients and
headers purely at random.

But I don't try to hide who I am from the regulars.

In fact, you could probably, by now, triangulate me to within a mile of my
house.

Anyway, another way to tell is that I don't troll.
I ask the question; I respond to the queries; and then I disappear.

>> And within any thread, I am only one nym.
>
> Wrong, we already caught you on that. In other words: You're lying.

Nope. Once in a while I make a mistake, but within any one thread, I'm only
one nym. Sometimes I change machines, where the nyms are entirely separate
(since they're all totally random), so I use those nyms.

For example, if I feel the need to respond from Android, it has totally
different nyms and servers and proxies than does the Windows machine or the
Linux machines or even the iPads. They're all random. Even "I" don't know
what they are since I set the group to be a specific nym by default
(sometimes I forget to set the group preferences though).

>> In addition, I never troll.
> You do it all the time.

You call being responsive, "trolling".
You call a high post count, "trolling".

If I wanted to troll, it would be so easy since I understand the nature of
the users of this group. I don't wish to troll.

I simply wish to find out information about the product.

>> It's clear that I back up what I say.
>
> No, you don't. And if you do you usually come up with some 'facts' that
> are (usually rather easily) debunked as misinterpreted, irrelevant,
> outright false, ... But we are lying, sure.

You know, I probably have posted nearly a thousand photos and screenshots
to this newsgroup by way of proof of what I'm doing.

I probably posted over a score to this one thread alone.
Given I'm on Usenet a lot, I've probably posted more proof in a month than
you have done in your entire life.

How many screenshots of proof have you posted to this thread, for example?

>> It's clear that I'm open minded,
>
> You're everything but open minded, certainly not about iOS. But I assume
> that you can't really understand the difference between your point of
> view and that of a open minded person, taking your Asperger diagnosis
> into account. If that's not made up as well...

Here's where you're wrong - but you're entitled to your opinion.

Remember:
a. I didn't buy iOS to be part of the "safe" herd orchestrated by Apple
b. I didn't buy iOS to feel the cachet of the brand orchestrated by Apple

Heck. I didn't even *buy* iOS. I got all mine for free.
So the truth is not a threat to me as it is to the Apple Apologists.

> See? If people dare to have a different point of view than you, and
> possibly even dare to argue for that point of view, not willing to
> accept your superior view (a clear sign of Asperger for me), then you
> can only resort to calling them liars.

> You tell *your* truth. Unfortunately (for you) that's by no means the
> truth for other people as well.

I'm only here to ask technical questions.
I am one of the most well balanced technical people here.

That's because I don't have to protect an *image* crafted by Apple
Marketing and because I'm not so scared of being outside the herd that
Apple Marketing wants me to be so scared of.

> Why do you care? Even if it was true, you wouldn't be able to understand
> the answer. But luckily, it isn't true in the first place. :-)

[Jolly Roger]

Another incorrect generalization. You're full of fail, dork.

[Jolly Roger]

Aardvarks <aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:33:59 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:
>
>>> I never hide who I am.
>>
>> You try to do it time after time.
>
> Heh heh ...

This is your typical canned response when caught in a lie.

> what I find funny is that people here accuse others of being
> me, and often they miss when I am me.

It's good you admit that you enjoy confusing others by constantly changing
your name.

Troll on.

[Aardvarks]

On 18 Jul 2016 18:57:33 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You're full of fail, dork.

And you call "me" a troll...

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-07-18, Aardvarks <aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

You and all of your other nyms, yep.

[Aardvarks]

On 18 Jul 2016 20:37:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Troll on.

Says the troll who added zero value to this thread.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-07-18, Aardvarks <aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

Meanwhile, you haven't added any value to this world since the moment
your mom's stinky twat spat you out. You are a big, fat, disgusting,
know-nothing troll, and you are proud of it. Make your mommy proud -
keep trolling!

[Aardvarks]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:19:21 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> While you, and most Android uses have that clutter-free use model, it's
> impossible for iOS users to do the same thing.

By way of example, here's a screenshot of my Android phone, which has a few
hundred apps and is still one single screen where *nothing* is more than a
click or two away (my choice) and everything is exactly where I put it
years ago, so, I know where every app lies.

http://i.cubeupload.com/ULjzhc.gif

1. The folders are organized in a triangle with the most used apps on top.
2. The dock has space for where my fat fingers miss.
3. Most used is top left, and it goes left to right, top to bottom.

While I have a similar organizational scheme on my iOS desktop, it's much
harder to do, with many things being impossible to do on iOS.

[Aardvarks]

On 18 Jul 2016 23:06:35 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Meanwhile, you haven't added any value to this world since the moment
> your mom's stinky twat spat you out. You are a big, fat, disgusting,

:)

[Aardvarks]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:31:46 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

> I have compared my iPhone to my wife's Samsung Galaxy S5 and am pleased
> that I don't have her operating system. I fiind it clunky and
> difficult to do things, but that may be because I'm used to using iOS
> now. I would like the ability to customize my OS, but jailbreaking is
> not an option since it's a company phone. We both agree pictures and
> videos taken on my phone are superior to her phone despite what the
> specs are. The microphone on her phone isn't very good quality either.
>
> Today my company offers Galaxy phones, but I will probably stay with
> the iPhone when it's time for a refresh.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with an iPhone.
You just won't be able to do as many things with it as you can with
Android.

On the other hand, it has greater cachet, and it is "safer" as Apple is the
herd leader who decides what you can and cannot do.

It all depends on what you want to do.
For example, I have both iOS and Android and this is the organization of my
Android single desktop.
http://i.cubeupload.com/ULjzhc.gif

My iOS single desktop is also well organized - but it's far harder to do,
and most of what you see there on my Android phone is impossible to do on
iOS.

[nospam]

In article <nmjriq$1gbi$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks

<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

>
> There's absolutely nothing wrong with an iPhone.

then why do you endlessly rant about them?

> You just won't be able to do as many things with it as you can with
> Android.

other than the things *you* said iphones can do that android can't,
such as locking screen orientation, control over permissions, full
encryption, privacy benefits and ease of updating firmware?

[badgolferman]

It looks to me like you have created groups. I can do that with iOS
too.

Let me just say I am not an Apple enthusiast. I have had Windows
computers forever and refuse to have a Mac. In my work area there are
many Mac users and we have bantering about Windows vs. Mac all the time
-- much like Ford vs. Chevy people. My main contention regarding
Windows vs. Mac is that Macs are good for email, surfing, graphics, and
Starbucks. Windows is good for people who actually have to work for a
living and require specialized COTS software. Of course that's just a
generalization, but the point is there are far more software
applications available for Windows than there is for Mac or Unix.

Android vs. iOS is essentially a tie when comparing apps. The only
thing Android does better is allow customization. iOS could do this
too, but they made a decision to restrict system level access and it
has served them well in the corporate world. They essentially killed
the popular Blackberry and took over that market. I think the control
over app permissions and handling of notifications are superior too.
Android has made strides in those areas but not enough in my opinion.

Then of course there is the issue of OS and hardware integration.
Apple phones never meet the same specs as Android devices, yet they
consistently post superior or identical technical scores by independent
labs. An iPhone just "feels" snappier compared to my wife's Samsung
Galaxy S5 which is considered the flagship of Android devices.

Frankly these are all minor differences and it really comes down to a
matter of taste. One man prefers the luxury, smoothness, refinement,
quiet of a Lexus while another man prefers the agility, handling,
responsiveness, style of a BMW. They are both excellent vehicles but
they do different things better because the designers wanted to
emphasize different aspects.

[nospam]

In article <xn0k8no6b...@reader.albasani.net>, badgolferman

<REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Let me just say I am not an Apple enthusiast. I have had Windows
> computers forever and refuse to have a Mac. In my work area there are
> many Mac users and we have bantering about Windows vs. Mac all the time
> -- much like Ford vs. Chevy people. My main contention regarding
> Windows vs. Mac is that Macs are good for email, surfing, graphics, and
> Starbucks. Windows is good for people who actually have to work for a
> living and require specialized COTS software. Of course that's just a

complete nonsense.

in fact, it's the other way around, since users are typically more
productive on macs than on windows for similar tasks.

> Of course that's just a
> generalization, but the point is there are far more software
> applications available for Windows than there is for Mac or Unix.

quality versus quantity, but a mac is the only computer that can run
all of them natively, making a mac have the most options available.

> Android vs. iOS is essentially a tie when comparing apps. The only
> thing Android does better is allow customization. iOS could do this
> too, but they made a decision to restrict system level access and it
> has served them well in the corporate world. They essentially killed
> the popular Blackberry and took over that market. I think the control
> over app permissions and handling of notifications are superior too.
> Android has made strides in those areas but not enough in my opinion.
>
> Then of course there is the issue of OS and hardware integration.
> Apple phones never meet the same specs as Android devices,

not only do they meet, but they consistently exceed them.

ios devices were first with a retina display, bluetooth le, 64 bit
processor, a fingerprint sensor that doesn't suck, a wide gamut display
and much more.

> yet they
> consistently post superior or identical technical scores by independent
> labs. An iPhone just "feels" snappier compared to my wife's Samsung
> Galaxy S5 which is considered the flagship of Android devices.

apple spends a *lot* of time tuning the performance.

> Frankly these are all minor differences and it really comes down to a
> matter of taste. One man prefers the luxury, smoothness, refinement,
> quiet of a Lexus while another man prefers the agility, handling,
> responsiveness, style of a BMW. They are both excellent vehicles but
> they do different things better because the designers wanted to
> emphasize different aspects.

pretty much.

[Aardvarks]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:21:16 -0400, nospam wrote:

> other than the things *you* said iphones can do that android can't,
> such as locking screen orientation, control over permissions, full
> encryption, privacy benefits and ease of updating firmware?

You bring up good points, and since I'm never afraid of the truth, and
since I'm extremely well balanced, I'm actually glad to see if there is
anything that can be done on iOS that can't already be done on Android.

I never said there are aren't things that the iPhone can do that Android
can't do, simply because I haven't tried everything yet.

With respect to the items you kindly brought up:
- Locking the screen (true)
- Control over permissions (false)
- Full encryption (depends on what you mean)
- Privacy benefits (true)
- Ease of updating firmware (true, but false for apps, but it depends)
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More Detail
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- Locking the screen on the iPad is a hardware button
(and I love that feature).
I have it with VLC in software on Android - but not in hardware.
I don't have it with the Youtube app on Android - and I miss it.

- Control over permissions
I have control over permissions after the fact on Android.
Here, for example, are my S-Voice permissions:
http://i.cubeupload.com/1mkCkS.gif
Plus I get a list of all apps that ask for permissions.
And when they last asked for them.
So, I feel the Android after-the-fact control is *better* than the iOS
before-the-fact control, but, feature for feature, both my Android device
and my iPad can control the permissions, so it's a wash to me.

- Full encryption
I'm not so sure that Android doesn't have full encryption.
Personally, I haven't tried it out so I'm not sure.
But there certainly are settings in "my" Android version (4.3).
For example, see this screenshot of my Settings:
http://i.cubeupload.com/IarfTA.gif

It came from Android 4.3 -> Settings > More > Security >
a. Encrypt Device
b. Encrypt External SD Card
c. Set up SIM card lock

PS: I bluetoothed that file (tap-tap-done). :)

- Privacy benefits
I think this is a biggie for most people which is why those who don't
want to think all that much about privacy tend toward iOS over Android (and
that's a good thing for them).
Me? I turned off everything possible in Android to protect privacy, but
I'm sure there's more to do (for both iOS and Android).
But, out of the box, in factory condition, certainly I'd agree that the
iOS devices are "more private" than the Android devices.

- Ease of updating firmware
This is a *very* complex bullet item.
On the one hand, iOS updates more devices for a longer period than any
one Android version.
However, on Android, it's trival to backport the old version if you have
a problem, whereas on iOS it's basically impossible. That's bad.
Also, on Android, you don't see them say they don't support things
outside of teh walled garden, so the *risk* of updating on iOS is far
greater for those outside the walled garden (trust me - I've been burned
with iOS moves as trivial as from 7.0.0 to 7.0.1).
Even more importantly, on Android, it's trivial to re-install old apps
whereas on iOS, it's much hard to offline archive and reinstall old apps.
Here is a screenshot of my automatic archival program for example:
http://i.cubeupload.com/NxixAc.gif

SUMMARY:
- Locking the screen (iOS is better than the Android devices)
- Control over permissions (this is essentially a wash between the two)
- Full encryption (I think "my" phone has full encryption)
- Privacy benefits (iOS is better than Android - but you can make Android
private at far greater effort)
- Ease of updating firmware (given the complexities, this is a wash)

But I do thank you for bringing up these issues, as it would be nice to
have a list of a dozen or two dozen things that can be done with iOS that
can't be done with Android.

[nospam]

In article <nmk3sa$1p5d$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks

<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

>
> > other than the things *you* said iphones can do that android can't,
> > such as locking screen orientation, control over permissions, full
> > encryption, privacy benefits and ease of updating firmware?
>
> You bring up good points, and since I'm never afraid of the truth, and
> since I'm extremely well balanced,

and delusional.

> I'm actually glad to see if there is
> anything that can be done on iOS that can't already be done on Android.

no you're not.

you're going to continue to yap that android does more than ios even
though *you* came up with things android can't do that ios can.

> I never said there are aren't things that the iPhone can do that Android
> can't do, simply because I haven't tried everything yet.

yes you have and more than once.

you're lying once again

here's one of many examples:

In article <nmjriq$1gbi$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:
> There's absolutely nothing wrong with an iPhone.

[Jolly Roger]

Aardvarks <aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:
>
> By way of example, here's a screenshot of my Android phone,

Nobody gives a shit about your crappy phone, idiot troll.

> impossible to do on iOS.

Only for dorks like you.

[Lewis]

In message <nmij0q$hdn$1...@news.sap-ag.de>

The App Drawer is a amazingly Shitty UI that is forced on Android users
because there is complete lack of guidance and thought in the overall
Android UI.

--
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons for you are crunchy and taste
good with ketchup

[Aardvarks]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:51:08 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

> The App Drawer is a amazingly Shitty UI that is forced on Android users
> because there is complete lack of guidance and thought in the overall
> Android UI.

You know *nothing* about what you're speaking.
There are *many* app drawer apps.

Mine organizes apps any way I want.
Mine can even *hide* apps from the app drawer.
It searches for apps by name.
It can display either the application name or the package name.
It automatically organizes all apps by however Google organizes them.
And it sorts them alphabetically if I want.
Or it sorts them by category if I want.
Or it sorts by most often launched if I want.
Or it sorts them manually if I want.
It can even sort by *color* for heaven's sake!

I'm not saying that sorting by color is a big deal, but I am saying that
there is nothing whatsoever in iOS that comes close to the capabilities of
a decent Android App drawer app.

Here, for example, are the sorts by Google Play official categories:
http://i.cubeupload.com/ZUZqUj.png

Just to prove the sort by color, here's a "red" sort on my phone:
http://i.cubeupload.com/vDUJTL.png

And here is a green sort on my phone:
http://i.cubeupload.com/BrW6so.png

And here is a blue sort:
http://i.cubeupload.com/ahuCVI.png

You can tag them any way you like, where the point is you can sort by
almost anything you can think of.
- You can sort by "Location" based apps
- You can sort by "Messaging" based apps
etc.

The apps sort almost any way you can think of:
- By Name Ascending
- By Name Descending
- By Size Ascending
- By Size Descending
- By Install Date Ascending
- By Install Date Descending
etc.

There is nothing on iOS that can come close to even beginning to compare to
what these App Drawer apps can do.

[Aardvarks]

On 19 Jul 2016 03:05:28 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Only for dorks like you.

It used to bother me that you would say such an obvious lie, when I can
prove there are scores of things anyone can do on Android that you can't
ever hope to do on the iOS operating system.

But now that I understand you, it's like understanding why a child lies
that he didn't have his hand in the cookie jar even as his mouth is covered
in chocolate and his hands are hiding the cookies behind his back.

a. You bought on image alone, so anything that goes against that image is a
threat to you because it's a very fragile thing image is.

b. You bought on herd mentality, so anything outside the walled garden is a
danger to you because xenophobia is a very fragile thing indeed.

So, it no longer bothers me when you lie that you can do things which are
impossible on iOS and that you know are impossible, yet, they scare you.

So you lie.

[Aardvarks]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:18:14 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

> It looks to me like you have created groups. I can do that with iOS
> too.

This isn't a technical thread, but to flesh out your comments, both Android
& iOS can do dumb "folders". However, Android can do three levels (sort of,
depending on the app) while iOS can only do two levels of hierarchy.

In addition, Android can hide apps in a fantastically functional hidden
location (called an App Drawer app), while iOS users can only hide apps in
another essentially dumb barely-functional folder.

There are tons of features that this allows, e.g., Android users can *show
the actual package name* of app icons, whereas iOS can't possibly to that.

> Let me just say I am not an Apple enthusiast.

I love both platforms.
They're just very different.
And, the *people* who buy the products are polar opposites in personality.

> I have had Windows computers forever and refuse to have a Mac.

I've used Windows, Mac, and Linux myself.
Three times I've used Apple computers, from the early days in the 80s, to
the mid nineties, to about a year ago.

> In my work area there are
> many Mac users and we have bantering about Windows vs. Mac all the time
> -- much like Ford vs. Chevy people. My main contention regarding
> Windows vs. Mac is that Macs are good for email, surfing, graphics, and
> Starbucks. Windows is good for people who actually have to work for a
> living and require specialized COTS software. Of course that's just a
> generalization, but the point is there are far more software
> applications available for Windows than there is for Mac or Unix.

All the desktop computers do essentially the same things.

> Android vs. iOS is essentially a tie when comparing apps.

Not really. But close enough to not bother to quibble.

> The only thing Android does better is allow customization.

Android not only allows users to define the look and feel, but the
*utilities* on Android far outweigh those on iOS.

> iOS could do this
> too, but they made a decision to restrict system level access and it
> has served them well in the corporate world. They essentially killed
> the popular Blackberry and took over that market. I think the control
> over app permissions and handling of notifications are superior too.
> Android has made strides in those areas but not enough in my opinion.

Apple has the educational world in their grasp.
I don't know about the corporate world.
It seems pretty 50:50 to me.

> of course there is the issue of OS and hardware integration.
> Apple phones never meet the same specs as Android devices, yet they
> consistently post superior or identical technical scores by independent
> labs. An iPhone just "feels" snappier compared to my wife's Samsung
> Galaxy S5 which is considered the flagship of Android devices.

All the iPhones are high-end devices.

> Frankly these are all minor differences and it really comes down to a
> matter of taste. One man prefers the luxury, smoothness, refinement,
> quiet of a Lexus while another man prefers the agility, handling,
> responsiveness, style of a BMW. They are both excellent vehicles but
> they do different things better because the designers wanted to
> emphasize different aspects.

Yup. Android does more things than does iOS, but iOS does some things that
Android doesn't do too.

[nospam]

In article <nmkb4j$kc$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks

<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:

>
> Yup. Android does more things than does iOS, but iOS does some things that
> Android doesn't do too.

that's a contradiction.

both clauses cannot be true.

[Jolly Roger]

Aardvarks <aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2016 03:05:28 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Only for dorks like you.
>
> It used to bother me that you would say

Everything I say bothers you, because you are s miserable troll.

> I can
> prove there are scores of things anyone can do on Android that you can't
> ever hope to do on the iOS operating system.

You haven't proven a thing. And repeating your lies doesn't make them any
less the lies they are, fool.

> But now that I understand you

No you don't. All you do is lie about people here to troll.

> a. You bought on image alone

> b. You bought on herd mentality

That pretty much sums up your brain dead trollish outlook. Too bad for you
it's completely out of touch with reality. You are a delusional foolish
troll.

> So, it no longer bothers me

Everything about Apple bothers you. I readily admit that makes me grin
inside. : )

> impossible on iOS

Only for dorks like you.

Troll on...