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micky
Feb 8, 2024, 1:00:10 PM2/8/24
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In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
<scienti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
>> > My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
>> >
>> > I installed WhatsApp on my phone.
>> >
>> > It uses my WiFi to make calls.
>> How does WhatsApp handle inbound calls? How does your daughter make
>> outbound calls when no WiFi is available?
>
>WhatsApp uses a Wi-Fi connection to communicate cross-platform, unlike Apple iMessage and Messages by Google, which require cellular networks and Short Message Service (SMS).
I think you'll find that they can use wifi too. Most people with cell
phones have cellular coverage everywhere, and texts use so little data,
that no one thinks about or talks about whether the transmission is
cellular or by wifi.
I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't
also be done with wifi.
What couldn't use wifi in early years were regular dialing and SMS, but
then they developed wifi-calling, as an adjuct to normal calling, which
iiuc most but not all phones have in recent years. That was when phone
calls, which were the original purpose of cell phones, used a different,
earlier protocol than all the other later apps on the phone. Then iiuc
they developed VOIP, voice over IP (Well, I guess wifi calling itself
used VOIP, right?), and then a few years ago, they switched all the
phone dialers to VOIP and abandoned the method that had been used.
(I've pieced this together from haphazard reading. Corrections
welcome.)
If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
> WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
was just a gleam in its father's eye.
<scienti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
>> > My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
>> >
>> > I installed WhatsApp on my phone.
>> >
>> > It uses my WiFi to make calls.
>> How does WhatsApp handle inbound calls? How does your daughter make
>> outbound calls when no WiFi is available?
>
>WhatsApp uses a Wi-Fi connection to communicate cross-platform, unlike Apple iMessage and Messages by Google, which require cellular networks and Short Message Service (SMS).
I think you'll find that they can use wifi too. Most people with cell
phones have cellular coverage everywhere, and texts use so little data,
that no one thinks about or talks about whether the transmission is
cellular or by wifi.
I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't
also be done with wifi.
What couldn't use wifi in early years were regular dialing and SMS, but
then they developed wifi-calling, as an adjuct to normal calling, which
iiuc most but not all phones have in recent years. That was when phone
calls, which were the original purpose of cell phones, used a different,
earlier protocol than all the other later apps on the phone. Then iiuc
they developed VOIP, voice over IP (Well, I guess wifi calling itself
used VOIP, right?), and then a few years ago, they switched all the
phone dialers to VOIP and abandoned the method that had been used.
(I've pieced this together from haphazard reading. Corrections
welcome.)
If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
> WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
was just a gleam in its father's eye.
Stan Brown
Feb 8, 2024, 2:05:01 PM2/8/24
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On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:00:13 -0500, micky wrote:
> I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't
> also be done with wifi.
In Consumer Cellular's network, Wifi Calling doesn't work unless you
> I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't
> also be done with wifi.
also have a cell signal.
Consumer Cellular is a reseller of AT&T and T-Mobile, and it's cheap
but customer service leaves a lot to be desired. There's no signal in
downtown Tehachapi. A C.C. rep suggested Wifi Calling, which did not
work at all. It took me multiple calls to Customer Service before I
finally got someone who knew what they were talking about and
admitted that in their system Wifi calling wasn't _supposed_ to work
unless you had a cell signal.
When I asked what was the point of Wifi calling, since you could only
use it when it was unnecessary, they had no answer. In September I
switched to a Verizon MVNO, for only slightly more than I'd been
paying C.C.
--
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Shikata ga nai...
Dave Royal
Feb 8, 2024, 3:11:46 PM2/8/24
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micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> Wrote in message:
The world - or even one country, the UK - is more heterogeneous
than you suggest
Not all phones are smartphones.
Not all phones provide wifi calling.
Not all networks provide wifi calling.
Not all network operators provide wifi calling. (In the UK many
cheaper MVNOs don't, and even some MNO's don't on their PAYG
services.)
VOIP is not the same thing as Wifi Calling. Wifi calling uses VOIP
but so do 4g and 5g cellular services.
Not all users have 'mobile data' turned on all the time.
A user may have run out of mobile data allowance and credit.
> If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
> signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
> it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
> to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
> slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
> phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
>
>> WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
>
> No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
> for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
> the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
> was just a gleam in its father's eye.
GSM (and Skype) had video calls before smartphones existed.
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Remove numerics from my email address.
than you suggest
Not all phones are smartphones.
Not all phones provide wifi calling.
Not all networks provide wifi calling.
Not all network operators provide wifi calling. (In the UK many
cheaper MVNOs don't, and even some MNO's don't on their PAYG
services.)
VOIP is not the same thing as Wifi Calling. Wifi calling uses VOIP
but so do 4g and 5g cellular services.
Not all users have 'mobile data' turned on all the time.
A user may have run out of mobile data allowance and credit.
> If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
> signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
> it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
> to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
> slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
> phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
>
>> WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
>
> No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
> for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
> the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
> was just a gleam in its father's eye.
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Remove numerics from my email address.
micky
Feb 8, 2024, 3:57:15 PM2/8/24
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In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 20:11:43 +0000 (GMT), Dave
Of course, but if you don't have a smartphone you shouldn't expect to
do what only smartphones will do.
>Not all phones provide wifi calling.
I think I mentioned that somewhere. in another post, or other
home.repair thread.
>Not all networks provide wifi calling.
That's important.
>Not all network operators provide wifi calling. (In the UK many
> cheaper MVNOs don't, and even some MNO's don't on their PAYG
> services.)
>VOIP is not the same thing as Wifi Calling. Wifi calling uses VOIP
That's what I meant.
> but so do 4g and 5g cellular services.
Okay. Wasn't this part of getting rid of the original phone-call
protocol?
>Not all users have 'mobile data' turned on all the time.
>A user may have run out of mobile data allowance and credit.
Sure. Another reason why they want wifi to work.
>> If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
>> signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
>> it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
>> to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
>> slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
>> phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
>>
>>> WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
>>
>> No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
>> for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
>> the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
>> was just a gleam in its father's eye.
>
>GSM (and Skype) had video calls before smartphones existed.
I probably didn't know that, (though I can't remember when I got skype,
etc..) I don't think my non-smartphone (Did I have more than one?) had
video calling -- Bought overseas. I don't think it even had a camera
(I can't check now. I knew I shouldn't have thrown it away. One should
never throw anything away.), so I was just going by that one phone.
Corrections appreciated.
do what only smartphones will do.
>Not all phones provide wifi calling.
home.repair thread.
>Not all networks provide wifi calling.
>Not all network operators provide wifi calling. (In the UK many
> cheaper MVNOs don't, and even some MNO's don't on their PAYG
> services.)
>VOIP is not the same thing as Wifi Calling. Wifi calling uses VOIP
> but so do 4g and 5g cellular services.
protocol?
>Not all users have 'mobile data' turned on all the time.
>A user may have run out of mobile data allowance and credit.
>> If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
>> signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
>> it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
>> to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
>> slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
>> phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
>>
>>> WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
>>
>> No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
>> for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
>> the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
>> was just a gleam in its father's eye.
>
>GSM (and Skype) had video calls before smartphones existed.
etc..) I don't think my non-smartphone (Did I have more than one?) had
video calling -- Bought overseas. I don't think it even had a camera
(I can't check now. I knew I shouldn't have thrown it away. One should
never throw anything away.), so I was just going by that one phone.
Corrections appreciated.
micky
Feb 8, 2024, 3:59:50 PM2/8/24
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In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 11:04:59 -0800, Stan Brown
your first two paragraphs. "What was the point of wifi calling...
>use it when it was unnecessary, they had no answer. In September I
>switched to a Verizon MVNO, for only slightly more than I'd been
>paying C.C.
Gotcha. For me, Mint Mobile was the happy middle ground between too
cheap and too much money. (But now their advertising a lot, looking to
get bigger.)
<the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:00:13 -0500, micky wrote:
>> I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't
>> also be done with wifi.
>
>In Consumer Cellular's network, Wifi Calling doesn't work unless you
>also have a cell signal.
>
>Consumer Cellular is a reseller of AT&T and T-Mobile, and it's cheap
>but customer service leaves a lot to be desired. There's no signal in
>downtown Tehachapi. A C.C. rep suggested Wifi Calling, which did not
>work at all. It took me multiple calls to Customer Service before I
>finally got someone who knew what they were talking about and
>admitted that in their system Wifi calling wasn't _supposed_ to work
>unless you had a cell signal.
>
>When I asked what was the point of Wifi calling, since you could only
Those were exactly the words that came to me, each time, when reading
>On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:00:13 -0500, micky wrote:
>> I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't
>> also be done with wifi.
>
>In Consumer Cellular's network, Wifi Calling doesn't work unless you
>also have a cell signal.
>
>Consumer Cellular is a reseller of AT&T and T-Mobile, and it's cheap
>but customer service leaves a lot to be desired. There's no signal in
>downtown Tehachapi. A C.C. rep suggested Wifi Calling, which did not
>work at all. It took me multiple calls to Customer Service before I
>finally got someone who knew what they were talking about and
>admitted that in their system Wifi calling wasn't _supposed_ to work
>unless you had a cell signal.
>
>When I asked what was the point of Wifi calling, since you could only
your first two paragraphs. "What was the point of wifi calling...
>use it when it was unnecessary, they had no answer. In September I
>switched to a Verizon MVNO, for only slightly more than I'd been
>paying C.C.
cheap and too much money. (But now their advertising a lot, looking to
get bigger.)
Carlos E.R.
Feb 8, 2024, 4:21:53 PM2/8/24
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On 2024-02-08 21:59, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 11:04:59 -0800, Stan Brown
> <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:00:13 -0500, micky wrote:
>>> I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't
>>> also be done with wifi.
>>
>> In Consumer Cellular's network, Wifi Calling doesn't work unless you
>> also have a cell signal.
>>
>> Consumer Cellular is a reseller of AT&T and T-Mobile, and it's cheap
>> but customer service leaves a lot to be desired. There's no signal in
>> downtown Tehachapi. A C.C. rep suggested Wifi Calling, which did not
>> work at all. It took me multiple calls to Customer Service before I
>> finally got someone who knew what they were talking about and
>> admitted that in their system Wifi calling wasn't _supposed_ to work
>> unless you had a cell signal.
>>
>> When I asked what was the point of Wifi calling, since you could only
>
> Those were exactly the words that came to me, each time, when reading
> your first two paragraphs. "What was the point of wifi calling...
Price?
> In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 11:04:59 -0800, Stan Brown
> <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:00:13 -0500, micky wrote:
>>> I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't
>>> also be done with wifi.
>>
>> In Consumer Cellular's network, Wifi Calling doesn't work unless you
>> also have a cell signal.
>>
>> Consumer Cellular is a reseller of AT&T and T-Mobile, and it's cheap
>> but customer service leaves a lot to be desired. There's no signal in
>> downtown Tehachapi. A C.C. rep suggested Wifi Calling, which did not
>> work at all. It took me multiple calls to Customer Service before I
>> finally got someone who knew what they were talking about and
>> admitted that in their system Wifi calling wasn't _supposed_ to work
>> unless you had a cell signal.
>>
>> When I asked what was the point of Wifi calling, since you could only
>
> Those were exactly the words that came to me, each time, when reading
> your first two paragraphs. "What was the point of wifi calling...
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 8, 2024, 4:26:54 PM2/8/24
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On 2024-02-08 19:00, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
> <scienti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
>>>> My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
...
> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
> <scienti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
>>>> My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
> If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
> signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
> it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
> to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
> slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
> phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
voice in real time than VoIP.
>
>> WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
>
> No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
> for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
> the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
> was just a gleam in its father's eye.
system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
micky
Feb 8, 2024, 4:40:00 PM2/8/24
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In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 22:24:10 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
like broadcase radio, but on a specific channel?
voip?
I've had consistently good results with whatsapp, including for a dozen
60 minute video calls over the last 3 years, but ony a few audio calls.
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>On 2024-02-08 19:00, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
>> <scienti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
>>>>> My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
>
>...
>
>> If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
>> signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
>> it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
>> to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
>> slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
>> phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
>
>The... lets call native voice system, originally GSM, is more robust for
>voice in real time than VoIP.
And I guess there are no packets to resend. It's not digital? but more
>On 2024-02-08 19:00, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
>> <scienti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
>>>>> My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
>
>...
>
>> If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
>> signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
>> it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
>> to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
>> slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
>> phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
>
>The... lets call native voice system, originally GSM, is more robust for
>voice in real time than VoIP.
like broadcase radio, but on a specific channel?
>
>>
>>> WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
>>
>> No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
>> for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
>> the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
>> was just a gleam in its father's eye.
>
>Sometimes people call me on whatsapp instead of the phone "native"
>system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
But I thought the native system had been ended and all there was was
>>
>>> WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
>>
>> No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
>> for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
>> the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
>> was just a gleam in its father's eye.
>
>Sometimes people call me on whatsapp instead of the phone "native"
>system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
voip?
I've had consistently good results with whatsapp, including for a dozen
60 minute video calls over the last 3 years, but ony a few audio calls.
Alan
Feb 8, 2024, 4:48:38 PM2/8/24
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On 2024-02-08 10:00, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
> <scienti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
>>>> My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
>>>>
>>>> I installed WhatsApp on my phone.
>>>>
>>>> It uses my WiFi to make calls.
>>> How does WhatsApp handle inbound calls? How does your daughter make
>>> outbound calls when no WiFi is available?
>>
>> WhatsApp uses a Wi-Fi connection to communicate cross-platform, unlike Apple iMessage and Messages by Google, which require cellular networks and Short Message Service (SMS).
>
> I think you'll find that they can use wifi too. Most people with cell
> phones have cellular coverage everywhere, and texts use so little data,
> that no one thinks about or talks about whether the transmission is
> cellular or by wifi.
And moreover, WhatsApp doesn't "use WiFi" with the implication that that
> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
> <scienti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
>>>> My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
>>>>
>>>> I installed WhatsApp on my phone.
>>>>
>>>> It uses my WiFi to make calls.
>>> How does WhatsApp handle inbound calls? How does your daughter make
>>> outbound calls when no WiFi is available?
>>
>> WhatsApp uses a Wi-Fi connection to communicate cross-platform, unlike Apple iMessage and Messages by Google, which require cellular networks and Short Message Service (SMS).
>
> I think you'll find that they can use wifi too. Most people with cell
> phones have cellular coverage everywhere, and texts use so little data,
> that no one thinks about or talks about whether the transmission is
> cellular or by wifi.
is the only method.
WhatsApp uses the internet and doesn't CARE whether it's connected via
WiFi, Ethernet, or your cellular data.
Furthemore Apple iMessage service does NOT "require" cellular networks
or Short Message Service to communicate with other iMessage users which
is the parallel to WhatsApp.
Stan Brown
Feb 8, 2024, 5:15:41 PM2/8/24
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fees.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 8, 2024, 5:27:02 PM2/8/24
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On 2024-02-08 22:40, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 22:24:10 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 19:00, micky wrote:
>>> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
>>> <scienti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
>>>>>> My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
>>> signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
>>> it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
>>> to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
>>> slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
>>> phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
>>
>> The... lets call native voice system, originally GSM, is more robust for
>> voice in real time than VoIP.
>
> And I guess there are no packets to resend. It's not digital? but more
> like broadcase radio, but on a specific channel?
GSM is digital, with fixed slots. No re transmission, AFAIR, because it
> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 22:24:10 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 19:00, micky wrote:
>>> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
>>> <scienti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
>>>>>> My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
>>> signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
>>> it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
>>> to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
>>> slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
>>> phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
>>
>> The... lets call native voice system, originally GSM, is more robust for
>> voice in real time than VoIP.
>
> And I guess there are no packets to resend. It's not digital? but more
> like broadcase radio, but on a specific channel?
is real-time. I would have to read the documentation again. I never
worked with it (and it appeared after I finished college), so my
knowledge is incomplete.
Or read this end to end :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM
>>
>>>
>>>> WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
>>>
>>> No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
>>> for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
>>> the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
>>> was just a gleam in its father's eye.
>>
>> Sometimes people call me on whatsapp instead of the phone "native"
>> system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
>
> But I thought the native system had been ended and all there was was
> voip?
robust than whatsapp or any other contender.
> I've had consistently good results with whatsapp, including for a dozen
> 60 minute video calls over the last 3 years, but ony a few audio calls.
"unreadable". Seconds later I just phoned the same number, and it was
perfect. And it is zero cost to me or the other party, so there is no
point in using wasap.
Yes, I use wasap video calls across the Atlantic and it is fantastic.
But these happen with both parties at home, so possibly both using WiFi,
whereas the wasap voice call I mentioned before, the other party was at
the beach.
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Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 8, 2024, 5:32:03 PM2/8/24
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is a regular SMS. iMessage is not cross-platform. WhatsApp is.
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Cheers, Carlos.
Dave Royal
Feb 8, 2024, 5:41:54 PM2/8/24
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low-latency network, not the 'general internet' IIUC.
> I've had consistently good results with whatsapp, including for a dozen
> 60 minute video calls over the last 3 years, but ony a few audio calls.
>
Alan
Feb 8, 2024, 6:06:43 PM2/8/24
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When an Apple users uses the app, "Messages", that APP can send and
receive SMS messages IN ADDITION to sending and receiving iMessage
services messages.
Details MATTER.
WhatsApp does "use WiFi": it uses the internet regardless of how you
connect (including via cellular).
Apple iMessage doesn't "require cellular": Apple Messages (no "i")
requires a cellular connection to send and receive SMS & MMS messages.
micky
Feb 8, 2024, 8:00:47 PM2/8/24
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In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 23:25:30 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
I have to work? Darn.
>>>>
>>>>> WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
>>>>
>>>> No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
>>>> for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
>>>> the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
>>>> was just a gleam in its father's eye.
>>>
>>> Sometimes people call me on whatsapp instead of the phone "native"
>>> system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
>>
>> But I thought the native system had been ended and all there was was
>> voip?
>
>The current native system, whatever it is now. I'm sure it is still more
>robust than whatsapp or any other contender.
Okay.
>> I've had consistently good results with whatsapp, including for a dozen
>> 60 minute video calls over the last 3 years, but ony a few audio calls.
>
>I just had an accidental wasap voice call this week, it was
>"unreadable". Seconds later I just phoned the same number, and it was
>perfect. And it is zero cost to me or the other party, so there is no
>point in using wasap.
>
>Yes, I use wasap video calls across the Atlantic and it is fantastic.
>But these happen with both parties at home, so possibly both using WiFi,
>whereas the wasap voice call I mentioned before, the other party was at
>the beach.
All of my whatsapp calls were from the field. The last video call, 3
weeks ago, worked very well. Called a friend and talked for 30 minutes.
She was riding in a car near Baltimore, and I was in almost the jungle
in northern Honduras, using only a Guatemalan sim (and the Guatemalan
border was 6 miles away.) it boggles the mind that one can do this.
Just a little bigger, but as good as Dick Tracy's 2-way wrist TV.
https://dicktracy.fandom.com/wiki/2-Way_Wrist_TV
>>>>
>>>>> WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
>>>>
>>>> No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
>>>> for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
>>>> the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
>>>> was just a gleam in its father's eye.
>>>
>>> Sometimes people call me on whatsapp instead of the phone "native"
>>> system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
>>
>> But I thought the native system had been ended and all there was was
>> voip?
>
>The current native system, whatever it is now. I'm sure it is still more
>robust than whatsapp or any other contender.
>> I've had consistently good results with whatsapp, including for a dozen
>> 60 minute video calls over the last 3 years, but ony a few audio calls.
>
>I just had an accidental wasap voice call this week, it was
>"unreadable". Seconds later I just phoned the same number, and it was
>perfect. And it is zero cost to me or the other party, so there is no
>point in using wasap.
>
>Yes, I use wasap video calls across the Atlantic and it is fantastic.
>But these happen with both parties at home, so possibly both using WiFi,
>whereas the wasap voice call I mentioned before, the other party was at
>the beach.
weeks ago, worked very well. Called a friend and talked for 30 minutes.
She was riding in a car near Baltimore, and I was in almost the jungle
in northern Honduras, using only a Guatemalan sim (and the Guatemalan
border was 6 miles away.) it boggles the mind that one can do this.
Just a little bigger, but as good as Dick Tracy's 2-way wrist TV.
https://dicktracy.fandom.com/wiki/2-Way_Wrist_TV
micky
Feb 8, 2024, 8:02:13 PM2/8/24
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In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 22:41:48 +0000 (GMT), Dave Royal
<da...@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>
>>>Sometimes people call me on whatsapp instead of the phone "native"
>>>system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
>>
>> But I thought the native system had been ended and all there was was
>> voip?
>
>4g and 5g uses voip. But it's over the carriers' dedicated
> low-latency network, not the 'general internet' IIUC.
>
Got it.
>
>>>Sometimes people call me on whatsapp instead of the phone "native"
>>>system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
>>
>> But I thought the native system had been ended and all there was was
>> voip?
>
>4g and 5g uses voip. But it's over the carriers' dedicated
> low-latency network, not the 'general internet' IIUC.
>
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