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Cameo
May 24, 2021, 5:20:58 PM5/24/21
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I am using the excellent ExpressVPN app on my phone but even that cannot
fake the GPS location. I was recommended to use a GPS spoofing app in
addition to ExpressVPN, but those apps often leave the phone with the
last fake GPS location after exiting the app. I also think it is a
hassle to be forced to spoof a location in two apps simultaneously. So,
ideally a good VPN app should have the GPS spoofing built in, IMHO. Can
anybody recommend such a combo VPN?
Thanks.
fake the GPS location. I was recommended to use a GPS spoofing app in
addition to ExpressVPN, but those apps often leave the phone with the
last fake GPS location after exiting the app. I also think it is a
hassle to be forced to spoof a location in two apps simultaneously. So,
ideally a good VPN app should have the GPS spoofing built in, IMHO. Can
anybody recommend such a combo VPN?
Thanks.
VanguardLH
May 24, 2021, 6:13:00 PM5/24/21
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transmission. Why bother trying to spoof your location rather than just
turn off the Location option on your phone?
https://www.google.com/search?q=android%20disable%20location
Add your phone brand and model to get articles that match the navigation
paths for your so-far-unidentified phone.
Without the Location feature of the phone, geolocation would be based on
the IP address you are seen using when visiting a site. When using a
VPN, or any proxy, the other endpoint sees the IP address of the exit
node of the VPN or proxy. That's required as the endpoint needs to know
where to send back any requested information, or to even do a handshake
to establish a session between client and server. With a VPN, the
geolocation would be the IP address of the exit node of the VPN service.
If you are attempting to circumvent regional blocking, the exit nodes of
VPNs and proxies are well known, and there are publicly available lists
of them. Anyone can use those IP addresses in their own blacklist to
prevent anyone using those exit nodes from accessing content on their
site. Using a VPN is not a guarantee you can get around regional
blocking. There are forums and other places where you register to
access their content that will also blacklist all VPN and proxy exit
nodes. They don't want anonymous connects. If a site is blocking you
based on geolocation, it's very easy to incorporate the VPN/proxy lists
to block those connects, too.
If they are only blocking based on geolocation of IP address, and that's
why you are using a VPN, you need to use a VPN service that lets you
select an exit node within the acceptable region for the site, or use a
proxy that operates within the site's acceptable region.
Although you can disable the Location service in Android, that is not
the only means of determining location. Apps themselves can try to
figure out where you are, but often within a 35-50 mile radius which may
still be sufficient for regional blocking at a site.
If you are trying to disable use of the Location service in Android by a
specific app instead of all of them (i.e., you want one app to not
access Location, but want Google Maps to still work well), you can go
into the app's properties to disable permission to Location.
nospam
May 24, 2021, 6:29:19 PM5/24/21
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In article <jbu496n2lpae$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH>
location, even if location is disabled.
>
> Without the Location feature of the phone, geolocation would be based on
> the IP address you are seen using when visiting a site. When using a
> VPN, or any proxy, the other endpoint sees the IP address of the exit
> node of the VPN or proxy. That's required as the endpoint needs to know
> where to send back any requested information, or to even do a handshake
> to establish a session between client and server. With a VPN, the
> geolocation would be the IP address of the exit node of the VPN service.
unless it leaks or is otherwise bypassed, which is relatively common.
wrote:
> > I am using the excellent ExpressVPN app on my phone but even that cannot
> > fake the GPS location. I was recommended to use a GPS spoofing app in
> > addition to ExpressVPN, but those apps often leave the phone with the
> > last fake GPS location after exiting the app. I also think it is a
> > hassle to be forced to spoof a location in two apps simultaneously. So,
> > ideally a good VPN app should have the GPS spoofing built in, IMHO. Can
> > anybody recommend such a combo VPN?
>
> Any app can include the phone's geolocation data in its data
> transmission. Why bother trying to spoof your location rather than just
> turn off the Location option on your phone?
except that doesn't stop a nefarious app from obtaining and uploading
> > I am using the excellent ExpressVPN app on my phone but even that cannot
> > fake the GPS location. I was recommended to use a GPS spoofing app in
> > addition to ExpressVPN, but those apps often leave the phone with the
> > last fake GPS location after exiting the app. I also think it is a
> > hassle to be forced to spoof a location in two apps simultaneously. So,
> > ideally a good VPN app should have the GPS spoofing built in, IMHO. Can
> > anybody recommend such a combo VPN?
>
> Any app can include the phone's geolocation data in its data
> transmission. Why bother trying to spoof your location rather than just
> turn off the Location option on your phone?
location, even if location is disabled.
>
> Without the Location feature of the phone, geolocation would be based on
> the IP address you are seen using when visiting a site. When using a
> VPN, or any proxy, the other endpoint sees the IP address of the exit
> node of the VPN or proxy. That's required as the endpoint needs to know
> where to send back any requested information, or to even do a handshake
> to establish a session between client and server. With a VPN, the
> geolocation would be the IP address of the exit node of the VPN service.
paul
May 25, 2021, 8:52:27 AM5/25/21
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VanguardLH wrote on 24.05.2021 16:12
> Any app can include the phone's geolocation data in its data
> transmission. Why bother trying to spoof your location rather than just
> turn off the Location option on your phone?
When I first saw the question I ignored it because it seemed comical.
But after a day or so I decided to run a single search for "fake gps vpn."
I was surprised at the result of that single search for "fake gps vpn."
Fake GPS: top 5 VPNs for spoofing your location
https://www.tomsguide.com/best-picks/fake-gps-vpn
Below are just the first three paragraphs (for the lazy)... :)
Although the best VPN can get you access to overseas content, there are very
few true fake GPS VPN services on the market. That means that while websites
will show you different content because your traffic is coming from a
different server, mobile apps with location tracking enabled will still be
able to tell exactly where you are.
Unfortunately, location spoofing is almost impossible to do on iOS, and
while there are some programs you can use to fake GPS locations while your
iPhone is plugged in to your PC, there's not a good option for location
spoofing on the go without jailbreaking your device.
On Android, though, you've got a few more options. One is to combine any VPN
with a fake GPS app, and these are easily found in the Play Store. However,
there's one service that combines a premium VPN service with an in-built
fake GPS function, and it just so happens that it's the cheapest VPN that's
worth signing up to: Surfshark.
(Rest of that Surfshark shill left for the reader to parse...)
> Any app can include the phone's geolocation data in its data
> transmission. Why bother trying to spoof your location rather than just
> turn off the Location option on your phone?
But after a day or so I decided to run a single search for "fake gps vpn."
I was surprised at the result of that single search for "fake gps vpn."
Fake GPS: top 5 VPNs for spoofing your location
https://www.tomsguide.com/best-picks/fake-gps-vpn
Below are just the first three paragraphs (for the lazy)... :)
Although the best VPN can get you access to overseas content, there are very
few true fake GPS VPN services on the market. That means that while websites
will show you different content because your traffic is coming from a
different server, mobile apps with location tracking enabled will still be
able to tell exactly where you are.
Unfortunately, location spoofing is almost impossible to do on iOS, and
while there are some programs you can use to fake GPS locations while your
iPhone is plugged in to your PC, there's not a good option for location
spoofing on the go without jailbreaking your device.
On Android, though, you've got a few more options. One is to combine any VPN
with a fake GPS app, and these are easily found in the Play Store. However,
there's one service that combines a premium VPN service with an in-built
fake GPS function, and it just so happens that it's the cheapest VPN that's
worth signing up to: Surfshark.
(Rest of that Surfshark shill left for the reader to parse...)
Alan Baker
May 25, 2021, 8:57:05 AM5/25/21
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On 2021-05-25 5:52 a.m., paul wrote:
> VanguardLH wrote on 24.05.2021 16:12
>
>> Any app can include the phone's geolocation data in its data
>> transmission. Why bother trying to spoof your location rather than just
>> turn off the Location option on your phone?
>
> When I first saw the question I ignored it because it seemed comical.
>
> But after a day or so I decided to run a single search for "fake gps vpn."
> I was surprised at the result of that single search for "fake gps vpn."
>
> Fake GPS: top 5 VPNs for spoofing your location
> https://www.tomsguide.com/best-picks/fake-gps-vpn
>
> Below are just the first three paragraphs (for the lazy)... :)
>
> Although the best VPN can get you access to overseas content, there are very
> few true fake GPS VPN services on the market. That means that while websites
> will show you different content because your traffic is coming from a
> different server, mobile apps with location tracking enabled will still be
> able to tell exactly where you are.
>
> Unfortunately, location spoofing is almost impossible to do on iOS, and
> while there are some programs you can use to fake GPS locations while your
> iPhone is plugged in to your PC, there's not a good option for location
> spoofing on the go without jailbreaking your device.
But you can just not let an app KNOW your location.
> VanguardLH wrote on 24.05.2021 16:12
>
>> Any app can include the phone's geolocation data in its data
>> transmission. Why bother trying to spoof your location rather than just
>> turn off the Location option on your phone?
>
> When I first saw the question I ignored it because it seemed comical.
>
> But after a day or so I decided to run a single search for "fake gps vpn."
> I was surprised at the result of that single search for "fake gps vpn."
>
> Fake GPS: top 5 VPNs for spoofing your location
> https://www.tomsguide.com/best-picks/fake-gps-vpn
>
> Below are just the first three paragraphs (for the lazy)... :)
>
> Although the best VPN can get you access to overseas content, there are very
> few true fake GPS VPN services on the market. That means that while websites
> will show you different content because your traffic is coming from a
> different server, mobile apps with location tracking enabled will still be
> able to tell exactly where you are.
>
> Unfortunately, location spoofing is almost impossible to do on iOS, and
> while there are some programs you can use to fake GPS locations while your
> iPhone is plugged in to your PC, there's not a good option for location
> spoofing on the go without jailbreaking your device.
Cameo
May 25, 2021, 9:37:45 AM5/25/21
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On 5/25/2021 12:12 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> Cameo <ca...@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I am using the excellent ExpressVPN app on my phone but even that cannot
>> fake the GPS location. I was recommended to use a GPS spoofing app in
>> addition to ExpressVPN, but those apps often leave the phone with the
>> last fake GPS location after exiting the app. I also think it is a
>> hassle to be forced to spoof a location in two apps simultaneously. So,
>> ideally a good VPN app should have the GPS spoofing built in, IMHO. Can
>> anybody recommend such a combo VPN?
>
> Any app can include the phone's geolocation data in its data
> transmission. Why bother trying to spoof your location rather than just
> turn off the Location option on your phone?
Unfortunately HULU wants you to have the location ON. I guess it wants
> Cameo <ca...@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I am using the excellent ExpressVPN app on my phone but even that cannot
>> fake the GPS location. I was recommended to use a GPS spoofing app in
>> addition to ExpressVPN, but those apps often leave the phone with the
>> last fake GPS location after exiting the app. I also think it is a
>> hassle to be forced to spoof a location in two apps simultaneously. So,
>> ideally a good VPN app should have the GPS spoofing built in, IMHO. Can
>> anybody recommend such a combo VPN?
>
> Any app can include the phone's geolocation data in its data
> transmission. Why bother trying to spoof your location rather than just
> turn off the Location option on your phone?
to see if your IP address location matches the GPS.
Cameo
May 25, 2021, 9:39:59 AM5/25/21
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sponsor.
paul
May 25, 2021, 10:25:41 AM5/25/21
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Cameo wrote on 25.05.2021 07:40
as nospam, Alan Baker, Joerg Lorenz, Chris, Rod Speed et. al), so I delved
deeper into the answer to your question to help you, although I openly admit
I don't know ANYTHING about the topic you ask for (and I don't have the same
use model of trying to get a specific app to think I'm in another locale).
Unlike those morons listed above I'm not afraid to note what I don't know.
Nonetheless we can all help each other learn if we're purposefully helpful.
The good thing about your question is I learned something even as I
originally ignored it because inherently I wouldn't have thought a "fake gps
vpn" exists but that first hit on a search for "fake gps vpn" shows it does.
It's why people shouldn't trust their own intuition as much as they should
trust in facts instead (a lesson most people, including me, need to learn).
But I had previously only looked at the first hit and, even then, I only
skimmed the article to glean contents which claimed Surfschark was the only
"fake gps vpn" outfit.
Is that true?
I don't know.
Let's look at the rest of that page of hits for a "fake gps vpn" search.
A second hit shows exactly the same "fake gps vpn" shill wording as prior.
https://www.techradar.com/vpn/fake-gps-reasons-to-spoof-your-location
But even that shill mentions there are other methods to accomplish the goal.
"Most top VPNs can be teamed up with a third-party app to help you get a
fake GPS location but Surfshark does it all within the service itself"
A third hit is mostly about faking the GPS location when using Chrome.
https://robots.net/how-to-guide/how-to-spoof-and-fake-your-gps-location-on-browser/
But they specifically mention Hulu & Netflix when they fake Chrome GPS.
That third hit also mention using an app separate from the VPN itself.
"On Android, you can download a location fake app like Fake GPS Location
Spoofer v4.6 to change your location."
A fourth hit discusses faking GPS using similar Surfshark shilling as prior.
https://www.techradar.com/sg/vpn/fake-gps-for-pokemon-go-how-to-spoof-your-location-with-a-vpn
There's nothing new here other than they mention the difference with iOS.
"Frankly speaking, Apple has made spoofing your location on iPhone
incredibly difficult. The App Store doesn't really deliver on effective fake
GPS apps and you generally have to resort to either jailbreaking your iPhone
or picking up an individual device that you'd plug in to your smartphone."
A fifth hit explained there are _multiple_ methods they use to geolocate you
https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/vpn-fake-gps-location/
GPS, HTML5 Geolocataion, DNS traffic, IP address geolocation, etc.
But the value of that fifth hit is it claims there are other fake GPS vpns
"ExpressVPN's plugins for Chrome, Firefox, Edge, Brave, and Vivaldi can
spoof your HTML5 geolocation."
They mention the (by now obligatory) Surfshark but they also list spoofers.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.hola.gpslocation
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/location-faker-ultimate-edition/id1150708102
And they list the steps Android & iOS users need to perform to spoof GPS.
On Android
1...Go to Settings (cog icon)
2...Scroll down to About phone
3...Scroll down to the bottom and tap Build number seven times
4...Go back to Settings and then to System > Advanced > Developer options
5...Click Select mock location app and set it to your GPS spoofing app
On iOS
"None of the GPS spoofing apps on the Apple App Store actually work,
according to their reviews. Instead, you'll need to download a desktop app
and then connect your iPhone to it via USB cable."
They also cover how to spoof a fake location using the Chrome browser.
A sixth hit brings up our old friend Surfshark again
https://www.androidcentral.com/how-use-surfshark-vpn-spoof-your-mobile-location
Well now we know about as much as a first page of hits teaches us.
> Yes, I saw that article, too, but it looked too much like a favor to a
> sponsor.
I'm always purposefully helpful (unlike most of the Apple posters here, such
> sponsor.
as nospam, Alan Baker, Joerg Lorenz, Chris, Rod Speed et. al), so I delved
deeper into the answer to your question to help you, although I openly admit
I don't know ANYTHING about the topic you ask for (and I don't have the same
use model of trying to get a specific app to think I'm in another locale).
Unlike those morons listed above I'm not afraid to note what I don't know.
Nonetheless we can all help each other learn if we're purposefully helpful.
The good thing about your question is I learned something even as I
originally ignored it because inherently I wouldn't have thought a "fake gps
vpn" exists but that first hit on a search for "fake gps vpn" shows it does.
It's why people shouldn't trust their own intuition as much as they should
trust in facts instead (a lesson most people, including me, need to learn).
But I had previously only looked at the first hit and, even then, I only
skimmed the article to glean contents which claimed Surfschark was the only
"fake gps vpn" outfit.
Is that true?
I don't know.
Let's look at the rest of that page of hits for a "fake gps vpn" search.
A second hit shows exactly the same "fake gps vpn" shill wording as prior.
https://www.techradar.com/vpn/fake-gps-reasons-to-spoof-your-location
But even that shill mentions there are other methods to accomplish the goal.
"Most top VPNs can be teamed up with a third-party app to help you get a
fake GPS location but Surfshark does it all within the service itself"
A third hit is mostly about faking the GPS location when using Chrome.
https://robots.net/how-to-guide/how-to-spoof-and-fake-your-gps-location-on-browser/
But they specifically mention Hulu & Netflix when they fake Chrome GPS.
That third hit also mention using an app separate from the VPN itself.
"On Android, you can download a location fake app like Fake GPS Location
Spoofer v4.6 to change your location."
A fourth hit discusses faking GPS using similar Surfshark shilling as prior.
https://www.techradar.com/sg/vpn/fake-gps-for-pokemon-go-how-to-spoof-your-location-with-a-vpn
There's nothing new here other than they mention the difference with iOS.
"Frankly speaking, Apple has made spoofing your location on iPhone
incredibly difficult. The App Store doesn't really deliver on effective fake
GPS apps and you generally have to resort to either jailbreaking your iPhone
or picking up an individual device that you'd plug in to your smartphone."
A fifth hit explained there are _multiple_ methods they use to geolocate you
https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/vpn-fake-gps-location/
GPS, HTML5 Geolocataion, DNS traffic, IP address geolocation, etc.
But the value of that fifth hit is it claims there are other fake GPS vpns
"ExpressVPN's plugins for Chrome, Firefox, Edge, Brave, and Vivaldi can
spoof your HTML5 geolocation."
They mention the (by now obligatory) Surfshark but they also list spoofers.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.hola.gpslocation
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/location-faker-ultimate-edition/id1150708102
And they list the steps Android & iOS users need to perform to spoof GPS.
On Android
1...Go to Settings (cog icon)
2...Scroll down to About phone
3...Scroll down to the bottom and tap Build number seven times
4...Go back to Settings and then to System > Advanced > Developer options
5...Click Select mock location app and set it to your GPS spoofing app
On iOS
"None of the GPS spoofing apps on the Apple App Store actually work,
according to their reviews. Instead, you'll need to download a desktop app
and then connect your iPhone to it via USB cable."
They also cover how to spoof a fake location using the Chrome browser.
A sixth hit brings up our old friend Surfshark again
https://www.androidcentral.com/how-use-surfshark-vpn-spoof-your-mobile-location
Well now we know about as much as a first page of hits teaches us.
Andy Burns
May 25, 2021, 10:28:19 AM5/25/21
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Cameo wrote:
> Unfortunately HULU wants you to have the location ON. I guess it wants
> to see if your IP address location matches the GPS.
If you enable developer mode, I think you can give it a fake location?
> Unfortunately HULU wants you to have the location ON. I guess it wants
> to see if your IP address location matches the GPS.
paul
May 25, 2021, 11:01:30 AM5/25/21
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Andy Burns wrote on 25.05.2021 16:28
More than I do for sure (along with kelown, vanguard, mayayana, et. al).
To Andy's point I only skimmed a single search page set of articles for the
OP but from what I've read (and summarized elsewhere in this thread), "they"
can get your location via a variety of ways _depending_ on what app you're
using. (Message-ID: <s8j1ct$1a79$1...@gioia.aioe.org>)
For example, two of the articles I summarized said that the Chrome browser
has _multiple_ methods of determining location, e.g., my fifth hit listed
GPS, HTML5 Geolocataion, DNS traffic and of course IP address geolocation.
https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/vpn-fake-gps-location/
That fifth hit also listed GPS-only free ad free gsf independent spoofers
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.hola.gpslocation
And that fifth hit outlined the simple steps to set your GPS location
in the Android settings to whatever you have those GPS spoofing apps set to.
But it seems there's _more_ to the geolocation that some of these outfits
are using (Hulu, Netflix, and Pokemon were listed for example).
Seems to me we would all benefit by working together to outline how to spoof
a location that works for _all_ the methods used to determine our location.
To that end, here's just the listings in that fifth article to consider.
GPS ¡V Built into most smartphones these days, a GPS determines your
location using satellite signals. A VPN on its own won't change your GPS
location.
HTML5 Geolocation ¡V Websites can obtain your location through a combination
of GPS, nearby cell towers, and Wi-Fi networks. Google offers the most
popular HTML5 geolocation API. Again, a VPN won't hide you.
DNS traffic ¡V Requests for websites and other content are made through the
Domain Name System, or DNS. Many VPNs fail to route DNS requests, which
means they go to a default local nameserver that can in turn reveal your
real IP address and location. In VPN terms, this is known as a "DNS leak".
--
The difference between me and people like nospam is I'm purposefully helpful
(because I care about people and because I care about the topic at hand).
Every post of mine that is on a technical topic is aimed to ADD VALUE.
I come down hard on those people because they subtract value when they post.
Those horrible people (no good bone in their body) irk the good people.
> If you enable developer mode, I think you can give it a fake location?
Of all the people here Andy is one who knows a lot about Android.
More than I do for sure (along with kelown, vanguard, mayayana, et. al).
To Andy's point I only skimmed a single search page set of articles for the
OP but from what I've read (and summarized elsewhere in this thread), "they"
can get your location via a variety of ways _depending_ on what app you're
using. (Message-ID: <s8j1ct$1a79$1...@gioia.aioe.org>)
For example, two of the articles I summarized said that the Chrome browser
has _multiple_ methods of determining location, e.g., my fifth hit listed
GPS, HTML5 Geolocataion, DNS traffic and of course IP address geolocation.
https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/vpn-fake-gps-location/
That fifth hit also listed GPS-only free ad free gsf independent spoofers
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.hola.gpslocation
And that fifth hit outlined the simple steps to set your GPS location
in the Android settings to whatever you have those GPS spoofing apps set to.
But it seems there's _more_ to the geolocation that some of these outfits
are using (Hulu, Netflix, and Pokemon were listed for example).
Seems to me we would all benefit by working together to outline how to spoof
a location that works for _all_ the methods used to determine our location.
To that end, here's just the listings in that fifth article to consider.
GPS ¡V Built into most smartphones these days, a GPS determines your
location using satellite signals. A VPN on its own won't change your GPS
location.
HTML5 Geolocation ¡V Websites can obtain your location through a combination
of GPS, nearby cell towers, and Wi-Fi networks. Google offers the most
popular HTML5 geolocation API. Again, a VPN won't hide you.
DNS traffic ¡V Requests for websites and other content are made through the
Domain Name System, or DNS. Many VPNs fail to route DNS requests, which
means they go to a default local nameserver that can in turn reveal your
real IP address and location. In VPN terms, this is known as a "DNS leak".
--
The difference between me and people like nospam is I'm purposefully helpful
(because I care about people and because I care about the topic at hand).
Every post of mine that is on a technical topic is aimed to ADD VALUE.
I come down hard on those people because they subtract value when they post.
Those horrible people (no good bone in their body) irk the good people.
nospam
May 25, 2021, 11:31:53 AM5/25/21
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In article <s8j3fu$dio$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, paul <nos...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
> But it seems there's _more_ to the geolocation that some of these outfits
> are using (Hulu, Netflix, and Pokemon were listed for example).
in general, they block ips from non-residential customers, as do many
other companies.
wrote:
> But it seems there's _more_ to the geolocation that some of these outfits
> are using (Hulu, Netflix, and Pokemon were listed for example).
other companies.
Alan Baker
May 25, 2021, 12:35:58 PM5/25/21
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It's called "personal choice".
VanguardLH
May 25, 2021, 2:19:39 PM5/25/21
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Paul, you've mention Chrome and extensions for it. This is a newsgroup
discussing Android. Did Google change their mind, and now extensions to
Chrome on Android are allowed?
I installed Firefox Mobile on my Android phone, because it allows
add-ons, like uBlock Origin. When I looked at Chrome Mobile, extensions
weren't allowed.
I've seen claimed workarounds to get extensions installed into Chrome
Mobile, like:
https://www.gizbot.com/how-to/tips-tricks/how-you-can-install-chrome-extensions-on-android-050121.html
but I'm not wasting my time on installing another web browser (Yandex)
to install Chrome extensions into that other web browser. All that
article is having you do is use a different web browser that supports
installing Chrome extensions into it. Other articles claiming to
provide a workaround for the lack of extensions in Chrome Mobile are
similar shill articles to promote some other Chromium variant the does
support extensions. They don't expose how to get extensions installed
into Chrome Mobile. They tell you how to get Chrome extensions
installed in some other web browser. Hell, with that fake solution, you
could probably install Microsoft's Edge app on Android (which I call
C-Edge, or Chromium-Edge, because Microsoft replaced the rendering
engine and script interpreter to Chromium and V8), and then install
Chrome extensions into Edge (I know C-Edge Desktop supports Chrome
extensions, so may C-Edge Mobile does, too).
No thanks. That's why I went with the Firefox Mobile web browser as it
supports extensions. I just loaded Chrome Mobile on my smartphone, and
could not find anything pointing at extensions. For the Android
platform (this newsgroup), none of the solutions suggesting use of an
extension with Chrome on Android are applicable.
discussing Android. Did Google change their mind, and now extensions to
Chrome on Android are allowed?
I installed Firefox Mobile on my Android phone, because it allows
add-ons, like uBlock Origin. When I looked at Chrome Mobile, extensions
weren't allowed.
I've seen claimed workarounds to get extensions installed into Chrome
Mobile, like:
https://www.gizbot.com/how-to/tips-tricks/how-you-can-install-chrome-extensions-on-android-050121.html
but I'm not wasting my time on installing another web browser (Yandex)
to install Chrome extensions into that other web browser. All that
article is having you do is use a different web browser that supports
installing Chrome extensions into it. Other articles claiming to
provide a workaround for the lack of extensions in Chrome Mobile are
similar shill articles to promote some other Chromium variant the does
support extensions. They don't expose how to get extensions installed
into Chrome Mobile. They tell you how to get Chrome extensions
installed in some other web browser. Hell, with that fake solution, you
could probably install Microsoft's Edge app on Android (which I call
C-Edge, or Chromium-Edge, because Microsoft replaced the rendering
engine and script interpreter to Chromium and V8), and then install
Chrome extensions into Edge (I know C-Edge Desktop supports Chrome
extensions, so may C-Edge Mobile does, too).
No thanks. That's why I went with the Firefox Mobile web browser as it
supports extensions. I just loaded Chrome Mobile on my smartphone, and
could not find anything pointing at extensions. For the Android
platform (this newsgroup), none of the solutions suggesting use of an
extension with Chrome on Android are applicable.
VanguardLH
May 25, 2021, 2:24:00 PM5/25/21
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Cameo <ca...@unreal.invalid> wrote:
> Unfortunately HULU wants you to have the location ON. I guess it wants
> to see if your IP address location matches the GPS.
You mean their Hulu app. Hulu alone refers to the company and service.
> Unfortunately HULU wants you to have the location ON. I guess it wants
> to see if your IP address location matches the GPS.
Yep, apps can mandate their operation requires some permissions. Can
you access hulu.com using a web browser on your phone? The app is just
a web app to give you an alternate or mobile-centric interface to their
service.
Cameo
May 25, 2021, 2:42:13 PM5/25/21
to
spoofing app you installed already.
Right now I am ambivalent which app to use for that because the best
ones can occasionally leave your phone in the last used fake GPS
location even after you want to restore the real one.
sms
May 25, 2021, 2:48:29 PM5/25/21
to
of separate GPS spoofing apps as you already know.
Personally, if I wanted to do this I'd just pay for Surfshark instead of
my current VPN (PureVPN).
One advantage of ExpressVPN is that it seems to be the best VPN to use
in China
<https://www.techradar.com/news/best-vpn-for-china-our-5-top-choices>,
though Surfshark does pretty well too. The last two times I was in China
I was using a Hong Kong China Unicom SIM card which didn't block
anything, but on Wi-Fi, outside of big tourist hotels, you need a VPN.
I guess that is one more advantage of Android, the ability to spoof the
GPS location. With an iPhone you'd have to jailbreak.
nospam
May 25, 2021, 3:11:39 PM5/25/21
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In article <s8jgps$kjj$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> I guess that is one more advantage of Android, the ability to spoof the
> GPS location. With an iPhone you'd have to jailbreak.
false.
> I guess that is one more advantage of Android, the ability to spoof the
> GPS location. With an iPhone you'd have to jailbreak.
paul
May 25, 2021, 4:47:24 PM5/25/21
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Cameo wrote on 25.05.2021 20:42
>> If you enable developer mode, I think you can give it a fake location?
>
> Yes, I am thinking trying it, but even that requires naming the GPS
> spoofing app you installed already.
> Right now I am ambivalent which app to use for that because the best
> ones can occasionally leave your phone in the last used fake GPS
> location even after you want to restore the real one.
For what it's worth, I'm planning on testing these two GPS spoofing apps out
where I picked them based on scores & lack of ads and Google disassociation.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.hola.gpslocation
In Android developer options for "Select mock location app" I have 4 choices
Nothing
Automate (com.llamalab.automate)
Fake GPS (com.lexa.fakegps)
Hola Fake GPS (org.hola.gpslocation)
Just now I chose the "Hola Fake GPS" (because the "Fake GPS" said it was
built for an older version of Android when I tried it first, that's why).
Hola brought up a map of the Tower Bridge (London?) so I put my red
centerpoint aiming mark on the "Tower of London" (I guess it's London as the
London Bridge is in Arizona but not the tower).
Hola then said "Current location is Tower Hill, England."
This is my 1st experience with GPS spoofing so I'm not sure what to expect.
I then opened up the Google Maps app (which I don't have a login for) and I
hit the GPS target which put me back in the Tower of London again.
Of course my time zone is all wrong, so if we're gonna spoof the GPS
location then we have to figure out how to spoof the time zone too.
Can a timezone spoof be easily done?
All I can say is that it's easier to test than it was to write this report.
>> If you enable developer mode, I think you can give it a fake location?
>
> Yes, I am thinking trying it, but even that requires naming the GPS
> spoofing app you installed already.
> Right now I am ambivalent which app to use for that because the best
> ones can occasionally leave your phone in the last used fake GPS
> location even after you want to restore the real one.
where I picked them based on scores & lack of ads and Google disassociation.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.hola.gpslocation
In Android developer options for "Select mock location app" I have 4 choices
Nothing
Automate (com.llamalab.automate)
Fake GPS (com.lexa.fakegps)
Hola Fake GPS (org.hola.gpslocation)
Just now I chose the "Hola Fake GPS" (because the "Fake GPS" said it was
built for an older version of Android when I tried it first, that's why).
Hola brought up a map of the Tower Bridge (London?) so I put my red
centerpoint aiming mark on the "Tower of London" (I guess it's London as the
London Bridge is in Arizona but not the tower).
Hola then said "Current location is Tower Hill, England."
This is my 1st experience with GPS spoofing so I'm not sure what to expect.
I then opened up the Google Maps app (which I don't have a login for) and I
hit the GPS target which put me back in the Tower of London again.
Of course my time zone is all wrong, so if we're gonna spoof the GPS
location then we have to figure out how to spoof the time zone too.
Can a timezone spoof be easily done?
All I can say is that it's easier to test than it was to write this report.
Cameo
May 25, 2021, 5:00:35 PM5/25/21
to
countering every instance where a VPN end-point was discovered by HULU.
The customer support guys would just suggest some other location that
was not yet on HULU-s black list. I'm afraid the VPN guys would
eventually run out of those locations though. Fortunately using Windows
laptops with ExpressVPN are not as wulnerable to these HULU disscoveries
(no GPS there, I guess,) so I can use it as a fall-back method.
paul
May 25, 2021, 5:04:28 PM5/25/21
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VanguardLH wrote on 25.05.2021 20:19
> Paul, you've mention Chrome and extensions for it. This is a newsgroup
> discussing Android. Did Google change their mind, and now extensions to
> Chrome on Android are allowed?
Good question. I already said you know more than I do.
I respect your knowledge.
I should mention that I don't _ever_ use Chrome (on _any_ platform).
I don't use Chrome for the obvious reasons (but I use some of the variants).
Therefore, I'm well aware that Chromium based browsers exist on Android.
But I also _never_ use plugins or extensions (except when I'm forced to, as
in the case of Epic Privacy Browser because you don't get the VPN anymore
without the plugin).
So again you likely know more about extensions than I do because as a matter
of habit I _never_ use them (e.g., for ad blocking I use global solutions,
one of which is to not install any apps that have ads but there are others).
[If it matters I haven't seen an ad on Android in years except when testing
apps and usually an ad is the kiss of death in any app that I'm testing.]
>
> I installed Firefox Mobile on my Android phone, because it allows
> add-ons, like uBlock Origin. When I looked at Chrome Mobile, extensions
> weren't allowed.
I'm setting up a new phone from scratch where my web browser folder has
only Aloha Lite, Brave, Duckduckgo, Epic, Opera, and Tor.
None of them "require" addons to my knowledge to do what you're probably
doing, do they?
Each is _designed_ to do what many addons do for you, for example
Aloha (isn't it designed to save files encrypted)
Brave (isn't it designed to be private?)
Duckduckgo (isn't it designed for private searches?)
Epic (isn't it designed to block ads?)
Opera (isn't it designed to be a VPN?)
Tor (isn't it designed for anonymity)
Because the phone is unrooted I also have the carrier bloatware browser
(which I can't remove) and a "Google search" in that folder but they're
there only because I can't get rid of them (they're backed down to the
oldest version I can uninstall them to though but they're never used).
>
> I've seen claimed workarounds to get extensions installed into Chrome
> Mobile, like:
>
> https://www.gizbot.com/how-to/tips-tricks/how-you-can-install-chrome-extensions-on-android-050121.html
>
> but I'm not wasting my time on installing another web browser (Yandex)
> to install Chrome extensions into that other web browser.
I'm with you that I wouldn't waste a nanosecond trying to get any extension
to work in any browser as I choose my browsers to do the job I want them to
do.
My philosophy is to choose a set of special purpose browsers instead of
trying to make one browser do all the special purposes.
Having said that, I don't do a lot of web browsing on a phone. In fact I
almost never use a web browser on a phone except when I'm away from a
computer (which is almost never).
What does any web extension do that I want to do that I can't get done with
a special purpose app or browser that is built expressly for that purpose?
> All that
> article is having you do is use a different web browser that supports
> installing Chrome extensions into it. Other articles claiming to
> provide a workaround for the lack of extensions in Chrome Mobile are
> similar shill articles to promote some other Chromium variant the does
> support extensions. They don't expose how to get extensions installed
> into Chrome Mobile. They tell you how to get Chrome extensions
> installed in some other web browser. Hell, with that fake solution, you
> could probably install Microsoft's Edge app on Android (which I call
> C-Edge, or Chromium-Edge, because Microsoft replaced the rendering
> engine and script interpreter to Chromium and V8), and then install
> Chrome extensions into Edge (I know C-Edge Desktop supports Chrome
> extensions, so may C-Edge Mobile does, too).
Sounds like you know the situation far better than I do (as usual).
I defer to your logic and to your experience and to your judgment.
In my defense, I wasn't extolling the virtues of the solutions for the OP.
I was just summarizing what the 1st page of search hits said, for the lazy.
>
> No thanks. That's why I went with the Firefox Mobile web browser as it
> supports extensions. I just loaded Chrome Mobile on my smartphone, and
> could not find anything pointing at extensions. For the Android
> platform (this newsgroup), none of the solutions suggesting use of an
> extension with Chrome on Android are applicable.
I used NCSA Mosaic way back when. Nothing has changed. A browser is good for
one thing and one thing only but people try to make it do too many things.
I was big on Netscape when it was better than all the rest but now I'm not
so keen on Netscape because of all the ghacks json crap I have to disable.
I consider Netscape a browser trying to do everything (which I would term a
"general purpose web browser") where as you can tell from my browser choices
that I prefer targeted browsers designed to do one thing well.
If you can think of anything my small'ish set of browsers doesn't do (that I
would want to do) then I'd welcome the suggestion to seek a better set of
browsers though - but I'm NOT going to try to "improve" a browser by adding
an extension (and certainly never a plugin - for the obvious reasons).
> Paul, you've mention Chrome and extensions for it. This is a newsgroup
> discussing Android. Did Google change their mind, and now extensions to
> Chrome on Android are allowed?
I respect your knowledge.
I should mention that I don't _ever_ use Chrome (on _any_ platform).
I don't use Chrome for the obvious reasons (but I use some of the variants).
Therefore, I'm well aware that Chromium based browsers exist on Android.
But I also _never_ use plugins or extensions (except when I'm forced to, as
in the case of Epic Privacy Browser because you don't get the VPN anymore
without the plugin).
So again you likely know more about extensions than I do because as a matter
of habit I _never_ use them (e.g., for ad blocking I use global solutions,
one of which is to not install any apps that have ads but there are others).
[If it matters I haven't seen an ad on Android in years except when testing
apps and usually an ad is the kiss of death in any app that I'm testing.]
>
> I installed Firefox Mobile on my Android phone, because it allows
> add-ons, like uBlock Origin. When I looked at Chrome Mobile, extensions
> weren't allowed.
only Aloha Lite, Brave, Duckduckgo, Epic, Opera, and Tor.
None of them "require" addons to my knowledge to do what you're probably
doing, do they?
Each is _designed_ to do what many addons do for you, for example
Aloha (isn't it designed to save files encrypted)
Brave (isn't it designed to be private?)
Duckduckgo (isn't it designed for private searches?)
Epic (isn't it designed to block ads?)
Opera (isn't it designed to be a VPN?)
Tor (isn't it designed for anonymity)
Because the phone is unrooted I also have the carrier bloatware browser
(which I can't remove) and a "Google search" in that folder but they're
there only because I can't get rid of them (they're backed down to the
oldest version I can uninstall them to though but they're never used).
>
> I've seen claimed workarounds to get extensions installed into Chrome
> Mobile, like:
>
> https://www.gizbot.com/how-to/tips-tricks/how-you-can-install-chrome-extensions-on-android-050121.html
>
> but I'm not wasting my time on installing another web browser (Yandex)
> to install Chrome extensions into that other web browser.
to work in any browser as I choose my browsers to do the job I want them to
do.
My philosophy is to choose a set of special purpose browsers instead of
trying to make one browser do all the special purposes.
Having said that, I don't do a lot of web browsing on a phone. In fact I
almost never use a web browser on a phone except when I'm away from a
computer (which is almost never).
What does any web extension do that I want to do that I can't get done with
a special purpose app or browser that is built expressly for that purpose?
> All that
> article is having you do is use a different web browser that supports
> installing Chrome extensions into it. Other articles claiming to
> provide a workaround for the lack of extensions in Chrome Mobile are
> similar shill articles to promote some other Chromium variant the does
> support extensions. They don't expose how to get extensions installed
> into Chrome Mobile. They tell you how to get Chrome extensions
> installed in some other web browser. Hell, with that fake solution, you
> could probably install Microsoft's Edge app on Android (which I call
> C-Edge, or Chromium-Edge, because Microsoft replaced the rendering
> engine and script interpreter to Chromium and V8), and then install
> Chrome extensions into Edge (I know C-Edge Desktop supports Chrome
> extensions, so may C-Edge Mobile does, too).
I defer to your logic and to your experience and to your judgment.
In my defense, I wasn't extolling the virtues of the solutions for the OP.
I was just summarizing what the 1st page of search hits said, for the lazy.
>
> No thanks. That's why I went with the Firefox Mobile web browser as it
> supports extensions. I just loaded Chrome Mobile on my smartphone, and
> could not find anything pointing at extensions. For the Android
> platform (this newsgroup), none of the solutions suggesting use of an
> extension with Chrome on Android are applicable.
one thing and one thing only but people try to make it do too many things.
I was big on Netscape when it was better than all the rest but now I'm not
so keen on Netscape because of all the ghacks json crap I have to disable.
I consider Netscape a browser trying to do everything (which I would term a
"general purpose web browser") where as you can tell from my browser choices
that I prefer targeted browsers designed to do one thing well.
If you can think of anything my small'ish set of browsers doesn't do (that I
would want to do) then I'd welcome the suggestion to seek a better set of
browsers though - but I'm NOT going to try to "improve" a browser by adding
an extension (and certainly never a plugin - for the obvious reasons).
paul
May 25, 2021, 5:25:17 PM5/25/21
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nospam wrote on 25.05.2021 21:11
>> I guess that is one more advantage of Android, the ability to spoof the
>> GPS location. With an iPhone you'd have to jailbreak.
>
> false.
This is an example of why I claim nospam has no purposefully helpful intent.
In my purposefully helpful search for the OP I skimmed each solution on the
first page of a DuckDuckGo topical search and I summarized what they said.
More than one article said the same thing that Steve just said about iOS.
The fact that nospam claims what they all said is "false" is bad enough.
But nospam just makes this shit up.
Why?
Specifically why does nospam waste our time with his childish crap?
Why can't nospam ever act like a purposefully helpful adult would act?
It's clear nospam doesn't _like_ the fact iOS is brain dead in this regard.
But just saying "false" to what appears to be validated is just childish.
Does nospam provide any evidence that says what Steve claimed is false?
Nope.
Is there evidence that I provided which says what Steve claimed is true?
Yes.
So why does nospam waste our time with his purposefully unhelpful and rather
childish response when the fact is he simply _hates_ that iOS is braindead
in this regard?
>> I guess that is one more advantage of Android, the ability to spoof the
>> GPS location. With an iPhone you'd have to jailbreak.
>
> false.
In my purposefully helpful search for the OP I skimmed each solution on the
first page of a DuckDuckGo topical search and I summarized what they said.
More than one article said the same thing that Steve just said about iOS.
The fact that nospam claims what they all said is "false" is bad enough.
But nospam just makes this shit up.
Why?
Specifically why does nospam waste our time with his childish crap?
Why can't nospam ever act like a purposefully helpful adult would act?
It's clear nospam doesn't _like_ the fact iOS is brain dead in this regard.
But just saying "false" to what appears to be validated is just childish.
Does nospam provide any evidence that says what Steve claimed is false?
Nope.
Is there evidence that I provided which says what Steve claimed is true?
Yes.
So why does nospam waste our time with his purposefully unhelpful and rather
childish response when the fact is he simply _hates_ that iOS is braindead
in this regard?
VanguardLH
May 25, 2021, 5:36:11 PM5/25/21
to
bandwidth from their free version users to give to their paying
customers. Free users became part of their botnet for use with the paid
Luminati service (owned by Hola). Being part of their botnet meant you
didn't know what traffic was going through your host, like kiddie porn
for which you are legally liable for use as a pipe for distribution. At
first, they made no announcement of that behavior, and only after
getting exposed did they update their TOS to explain it.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2928340/ultra-popular-hola-vpn-extension-sold-your-bandwidth-for-use-in-a-botnet-attack.html
Yeah, 6 years ago, but I'd research if they've amended their ways since
then.
https://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/alert-hola-vpn-putting-you-danger.html
https://dataprot.net/reviews/vpns/hola-vpn-review/
Dated 6 and 3 months ago, so Hola is still using freeloaders as a P2P
network for their paid customers to steal your bandwith, and transmit
what they want through your host.
Alan Baker
May 25, 2021, 7:00:36 PM5/25/21
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On 2021-05-25 2:25 p.m., paul wrote:
> nospam wrote on 25.05.2021 21:11
>
>>> I guess that is one more advantage of Android, the ability to spoof the
>>> GPS location. With an iPhone you'd have to jailbreak.
>>
>> false.
>
> This is an example of why I claim nospam has no purposefully helpful intent.
It's not "purposely helpful" to point out that what you said is false?
> nospam wrote on 25.05.2021 21:11
>
>>> I guess that is one more advantage of Android, the ability to spoof the
>>> GPS location. With an iPhone you'd have to jailbreak.
>>
>> false.
>
> This is an example of why I claim nospam has no purposefully helpful intent.
I think it is.
nospam
May 25, 2021, 7:07:53 PM5/25/21
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In article <s8jvij$5me$1...@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
<notony...@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> >>> I guess that is one more advantage of Android, the ability to spoof the
> >>> GPS location. With an iPhone you'd have to jailbreak.
> >>
> >> false.
> >
> > This is an example of why I claim nospam has no purposefully helpful intent.
>
> It's not "purposely helpful" to point out that what you said is false?
>
> I think it is.
sms said it can't be spoofed on ios, not 'paul' aka 'arlen'.
> >>> I guess that is one more advantage of Android, the ability to spoof the
> >>> GPS location. With an iPhone you'd have to jailbreak.
> >>
> >> false.
> >
> > This is an example of why I claim nospam has no purposefully helpful intent.
>
> It's not "purposely helpful" to point out that what you said is false?
>
> I think it is.
Alan Baker
May 25, 2021, 7:11:26 PM5/25/21
to
It was very helpful!
;-)
sms
May 25, 2021, 9:39:20 PM5/25/21
to
On 5/25/2021 2:00 PM, Cameo wrote:
<snip>
> I am using ExpressVPN as well, and so far it's been pretty good at
> countering every instance where a VPN end-point was discovered by HULU.
> The customer support guys would just suggest some other location that
> was not yet on HULU-s black list. I'm afraid the VPN guys would
> eventually run out of those locations though. Fortunately using Windows
> laptops with ExpressVPN are not as wulnerable to these HULU disscoveries
> (no GPS there, I guess,) so I can use it as a fall-back method.
Exactly. I guess that's one advantage to using a device without a GPS!
guess a Wi-Fi only iPad connected to a network instead of a hotspot
would also work. But most Android tablets, even Wi-Fi only, include a GPS.
<snip>
> I am using ExpressVPN as well, and so far it's been pretty good at
> countering every instance where a VPN end-point was discovered by HULU.
> The customer support guys would just suggest some other location that
> was not yet on HULU-s black list. I'm afraid the VPN guys would
> eventually run out of those locations though. Fortunately using Windows
> laptops with ExpressVPN are not as wulnerable to these HULU disscoveries
> (no GPS there, I guess,) so I can use it as a fall-back method.
guess a Wi-Fi only iPad connected to a network instead of a hotspot
would also work. But most Android tablets, even Wi-Fi only, include a GPS.
paul
May 25, 2021, 10:57:59 PM5/25/21
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VanguardLH wrote on 25.05.2021 23:36
> Ooh, I don't if I'd yet trust Hola.
Funny you mention that 'cuz when I looked just now the GP link is gone!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.hola.gpslocation
Huh?
The download off of Google Play (via Aurora) worked today?
I can't believe we picked the very day that the app was removed though.
But I clearly downloaded it today and it just as clearly isn't there now.
Strange..........
> They were known for stealing
> bandwidth from their free version users to give to their paying
> customers. Free users became part of their botnet for use with the paid
> Luminati service (owned by Hola). Being part of their botnet meant you
> didn't know what traffic was going through your host, like kiddie porn
> for which you are legally liable for use as a pipe for distribution. At
> first, they made no announcement of that behavior, and only after
> getting exposed did they update their TOS to explain it.
>
> https://www.pcworld.com/article/2928340/ultra-popular-hola-vpn-extension-sold-your-bandwidth-for-use-in-a-botnet-attack.html
This is an app (org.hola.gpslocation) which at first I thought may or may
not have anything to do with the Chrome extension "Hola Better Internet."
But then I checked and it is from the same organization (https://hola.org).
So thanks for that warning. I'll delete the app (there were plenty others).
> Yeah, 6 years ago, but I'd research if they've amended their ways since
> then.
>
> https://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/alert-hola-vpn-putting-you-danger.html
> https://dataprot.net/reviews/vpns/hola-vpn-review/
>
> Dated 6 and 3 months ago, so Hola is still using freeloaders as a P2P
> network for their paid customers to steal your bandwith, and transmit
> what they want through your host.
Sounds like a sketchy outfit these Hola folks.
Thanks for warning me (together we can improve our knowledge exponentially).
I don't know what they could be doing sketchy with the GPS spoofer though.
But there are other free ad free GPS spoofers on Google play to test out.
Besides, the hola app I downloaded today seems to be completely gone anyway!
But there are others, for example Aurora tells me these are free & ad free.
Fake GPS Location 2021 (target SDK 30)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hopefactory2021.fakegpslocation
Mocklation (target SDK 30)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.p72b.mocklation
Fake GPS Location (target SDK 29)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.redskymedia.fakegps
Fake GPS: Phone Location Changer with Joystick (target SDK 29)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=find.my.friends.family.gps.location.tracker
Mock Loc (target SDK 29)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mocker.mockloc
Location Mocker (target SDK 28)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brianbhuang.fakelocation
Mockation (target SDK 24)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blackkara.mockation
Fake GPS Controller (target SDK 22)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.delvedapps.fakegpscontroller
Fake GPS location (target SDK 21)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps
I've downloaded all of those above and installed them.
It may take a while to test but I appreciate Vanguard warned me about Hola.
> Ooh, I don't if I'd yet trust Hola.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.hola.gpslocation
Huh?
The download off of Google Play (via Aurora) worked today?
I can't believe we picked the very day that the app was removed though.
But I clearly downloaded it today and it just as clearly isn't there now.
Strange..........
> They were known for stealing
> bandwidth from their free version users to give to their paying
> customers. Free users became part of their botnet for use with the paid
> Luminati service (owned by Hola). Being part of their botnet meant you
> didn't know what traffic was going through your host, like kiddie porn
> for which you are legally liable for use as a pipe for distribution. At
> first, they made no announcement of that behavior, and only after
> getting exposed did they update their TOS to explain it.
>
> https://www.pcworld.com/article/2928340/ultra-popular-hola-vpn-extension-sold-your-bandwidth-for-use-in-a-botnet-attack.html
not have anything to do with the Chrome extension "Hola Better Internet."
But then I checked and it is from the same organization (https://hola.org).
So thanks for that warning. I'll delete the app (there were plenty others).
> Yeah, 6 years ago, but I'd research if they've amended their ways since
> then.
>
> https://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/alert-hola-vpn-putting-you-danger.html
> https://dataprot.net/reviews/vpns/hola-vpn-review/
>
> Dated 6 and 3 months ago, so Hola is still using freeloaders as a P2P
> network for their paid customers to steal your bandwith, and transmit
> what they want through your host.
Thanks for warning me (together we can improve our knowledge exponentially).
I don't know what they could be doing sketchy with the GPS spoofer though.
But there are other free ad free GPS spoofers on Google play to test out.
Besides, the hola app I downloaded today seems to be completely gone anyway!
But there are others, for example Aurora tells me these are free & ad free.
Fake GPS Location 2021 (target SDK 30)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hopefactory2021.fakegpslocation
Mocklation (target SDK 30)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.p72b.mocklation
Fake GPS Location (target SDK 29)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.redskymedia.fakegps
Fake GPS: Phone Location Changer with Joystick (target SDK 29)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=find.my.friends.family.gps.location.tracker
Mock Loc (target SDK 29)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mocker.mockloc
Location Mocker (target SDK 28)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brianbhuang.fakelocation
Mockation (target SDK 24)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blackkara.mockation
Fake GPS Controller (target SDK 22)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.delvedapps.fakegpscontroller
Fake GPS location (target SDK 21)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps
I've downloaded all of those above and installed them.
It may take a while to test but I appreciate Vanguard warned me about Hola.
Cameo
May 26, 2021, 10:30:22 AM5/26/21
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Cameo
May 26, 2021, 10:35:46 AM5/26/21
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darned!
Frank Slootweg
May 26, 2021, 11:18:03 AM5/26/21
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thread:]
Isn't 'HULU' just an app on the Android device?
If so, Cameo could check if he can't just configure the 'Location'
part of his settings to 'Deny' Location services for the 'HULU' app.
I.e. on my Android 10/11 Samsung Galaxy A51:
Settings -> Location -> App permissions -> find 'HULU' app in one of
the three lists -> tap the app -> set 'Deny'.
N.B. Some apps can apparently disable (grey-out) the 'Deny' (and some
other) choice, but it's worthwhile to see if 'HULU' is such an app or
not.
paul
May 26, 2021, 2:10:05 PM5/26/21
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Cameo wrote on 26.05.2021 16:30
> Have you tested Lexa, too?
The only one I had tested so far was Hola (and even then only because it was
ad free, free, Google free, GSF free, etc.) and because it was on a current
SDK.
At your request, I'm testing Lexa as the next one to see how well it works.
Fake GPS location (target SDK 21), free, ad free, GSF free, etc.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps
First we go to Settings > Developer options > Select mock location app
and we choose "Fake GPS com.lexa.fakegps"
Then we turn on the Location tile (teardrop icon) since mine is normally off
by design.
Then we go into Settings > Apps > Your apps and find "Fake GPS" which,
interestingly, only wants app storage permission.
Then I start the app and take a look at the settings (usually in reverse).
It has some interesting options such as
Spoof Wi-Fi provider (mandatory for spoofing apps like Viber) = yes/no
Simulate moving (Random move your location) = yes/no
Move distance (Set move distance for every update) (default = 10)
Manual altitude (Set GPS fix altitude value in meters)
Auto altitude (Get altitude by lat/long using Google) = yes/no
Update interval (default is 3000ms)
Accuracy (Set GPS fix accuracy value in meters) (default = 1)
Start on boot (start with last used location on bootup) = yes/no
Show icon (show status bar icon when Fake GPS is active) = yes/no
I kept the map at the default even though Lexa has multiple map choices
(including OSM & terrain & satellite views).
I zoomed into the Tower of London to then hit the green "play" arrow.
When I hit the green play arrow the app disappeared from view but it was
running in the background because when I pulled up Google Maps and pressed
on the "location" sight, Google Maps zoomed into the Tower of London.
Interestingly every few seconds the location moved visably (due to the
settings to randomly move a given number of feet on a given time frame).
So it would be interesting how "realistic" that movement may look over time.
That's it for the one-minute test (where, as always, it took longer to write
this up than it took to run the test).
So that everyone helps everyone else, it would be nice if each of us chose a
different GPS spoofing app to test to get an idea of which may be best.
> Have you tested Lexa, too?
ad free, free, Google free, GSF free, etc.) and because it was on a current
SDK.
At your request, I'm testing Lexa as the next one to see how well it works.
Fake GPS location (target SDK 21), free, ad free, GSF free, etc.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps
First we go to Settings > Developer options > Select mock location app
and we choose "Fake GPS com.lexa.fakegps"
Then we turn on the Location tile (teardrop icon) since mine is normally off
by design.
Then we go into Settings > Apps > Your apps and find "Fake GPS" which,
interestingly, only wants app storage permission.
Then I start the app and take a look at the settings (usually in reverse).
It has some interesting options such as
Spoof Wi-Fi provider (mandatory for spoofing apps like Viber) = yes/no
Simulate moving (Random move your location) = yes/no
Move distance (Set move distance for every update) (default = 10)
Manual altitude (Set GPS fix altitude value in meters)
Auto altitude (Get altitude by lat/long using Google) = yes/no
Update interval (default is 3000ms)
Accuracy (Set GPS fix accuracy value in meters) (default = 1)
Start on boot (start with last used location on bootup) = yes/no
Show icon (show status bar icon when Fake GPS is active) = yes/no
I kept the map at the default even though Lexa has multiple map choices
(including OSM & terrain & satellite views).
I zoomed into the Tower of London to then hit the green "play" arrow.
When I hit the green play arrow the app disappeared from view but it was
running in the background because when I pulled up Google Maps and pressed
on the "location" sight, Google Maps zoomed into the Tower of London.
Interestingly every few seconds the location moved visably (due to the
settings to randomly move a given number of feet on a given time frame).
So it would be interesting how "realistic" that movement may look over time.
That's it for the one-minute test (where, as always, it took longer to write
this up than it took to run the test).
So that everyone helps everyone else, it would be nice if each of us chose a
different GPS spoofing app to test to get an idea of which may be best.
VanguardLH
May 26, 2021, 4:09:48 PM5/26/21
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Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> [Disclaimer: I haven't followed all the nitty gritty details of the
> thread:]
>
> Isn't 'HULU' just an app on the Android device?
>
> If so, Cameo could check if he can't just configure the 'Location'
> part of his settings to 'Deny' Location services for the 'HULU' app.
>
> I.e. on my Android 10/11 Samsung Galaxy A51:
>
> Settings -> Location -> App permissions -> find 'HULU' app in one of
> the three lists -> tap the app -> set 'Deny'.
>
> N.B. Some apps can apparently disable (grey-out) the 'Deny' (and some
> other) choice, but it's worthwhile to see if 'HULU' is such an app or
> not.
I had already made that suggestion (of going into the app's properties
> [Disclaimer: I haven't followed all the nitty gritty details of the
> thread:]
>
> Isn't 'HULU' just an app on the Android device?
>
> If so, Cameo could check if he can't just configure the 'Location'
> part of his settings to 'Deny' Location services for the 'HULU' app.
>
> I.e. on my Android 10/11 Samsung Galaxy A51:
>
> Settings -> Location -> App permissions -> find 'HULU' app in one of
> the three lists -> tap the app -> set 'Deny'.
>
> N.B. Some apps can apparently disable (grey-out) the 'Deny' (and some
> other) choice, but it's worthwhile to see if 'HULU' is such an app or
> not.
to disable Location permission). The OP's response was:
Unfortunately HULU wants you to have the location ON. I guess it wants
to see if your IP address location matches the GPS.
access to Android's location service. If true, and for those suggesting
using the app on an Android device that has no GPS, the app is going to
puke on those devices, too, by complaining it requires GPS data. You
can deny permission, but an app can demand them, so it's your choice
that the app works or not. If you demand Location be disabled, and the
app refuses to function without Location, ditch the app.
Instead of using the app, why couldn't the OP just use a web browser to
the hulu.com web site? After all, web-centric apps are just web
browsers with minimal functionality to present a different interface to
the same site.
Cameo
May 26, 2021, 5:13:39 PM5/26/21
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Location, otherwise it won't work. HULU is very agressive about its
geo-location enforcement. I wish I knew why. What's in it for them when
they still collect the membership fee? So far I only have been using it
to watch some US soccer games when I am in Europe because none of the
European networks pick them up.
nospam
May 26, 2021, 5:15:41 PM5/26/21
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In article <s8mdm2$mbt$1...@dont-email.me>, Cameo <ca...@unreal.invalid>
wrote:
> > Settings -> Location -> App permissions -> find 'HULU' app in one of
> > the three lists -> tap the app -> set 'Deny'.
> >
> > N.B. Some apps can apparently disable (grey-out) the 'Deny' (and some
> > other) choice, but it's worthwhile to see if 'HULU' is such an app or
> > not.
>
> That's a non-starter with HULU. The app definitely wants you to turn on
> Location, otherwise it won't work. HULU is very agressive about its
> geo-location enforcement. I wish I knew why. What's in it for them when
> they still collect the membership fee? So far I only have been using it
> to watch some US soccer games when I am in Europe because none of the
> European networks pick them up.
to prevent sharing memberships.
wrote:
> > Settings -> Location -> App permissions -> find 'HULU' app in one of
> > the three lists -> tap the app -> set 'Deny'.
> >
> > N.B. Some apps can apparently disable (grey-out) the 'Deny' (and some
> > other) choice, but it's worthwhile to see if 'HULU' is such an app or
> > not.
>
> That's a non-starter with HULU. The app definitely wants you to turn on
> Location, otherwise it won't work. HULU is very agressive about its
> geo-location enforcement. I wish I knew why. What's in it for them when
> they still collect the membership fee? So far I only have been using it
> to watch some US soccer games when I am in Europe because none of the
> European networks pick them up.
paul
May 27, 2021, 3:51:23 AM5/27/21
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To update people on GPS spoofing, I tested a few more of the apps, where I
deleted most because I give them a one-strike and you're out criteria.
First I tested & deleted the Hola GPS location as per advice from Vanguard.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.hola.gpslocation
Next I tested the Lexa *Fake GPS location* to help out the OP and reported
on the results in a prior post.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps
In addition, if you're going to be faking the location you may as well set
the time zone properly. For that I added a one-click shortcut to Android 11
Settings > scroll > General management > Date and time
Next I tested *Mock-Loc* which had one nice feature not in the rest which
was you could apparently create a track and then "play" that track whenever
you wanted the phone to spoof that specific track (as far as I could tell in
the quick test).
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mocker.mockloc
I found *FakeGPSController* location setting cumbersome and even so it
complained about needing to be in the system folder and it kept crashing
(perhaps as it was built for an older Android) so I also deleted it after a
quick test.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.delvedapps.fakegpscontroller
*Mockation* was similar to Lexa in that you could set a few things (but not
as many as Lexa allowed). Like Lexa Mockation has a search so it zoomed
right into the Tower of London when I searched for "London Tower."
Unfortunately, in every test I ran after setting the location, Google Maps
reported my correct location - so I uninstalled it.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blackkara.mockation
*Mocklation* has a map that's harder to use because there is no search I
could find but it saved the Tower of London after forcing me to name it
first. Worse though is that even after I set Mockation to access GPS even
when in the background, it didn't spoof Google Maps location in the least.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.p72b.mocklation
*FakeGPSLocation* from HopeFactory had an easy search-&-set but no other
options so it's of limited usefulness even as it's very easy to use.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hopefactory2021.fakegpslocation
*FakeGPS* from RedSkyMedia had a nice map but it kept crashing and worse, it
didn't fool Google Play so it was deleted within a minute or two of use.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.redskymedia.fakegps
*Fake GPS* Phone Location Changer with Joystick wouldn't even display the
map so I deleted it within a minute of use.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=find.my.friends.family.gps.location.tracker
*Location Mocker* was blocked by Play Protect for some reason.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brianbhuang.fakelocation
deleted most because I give them a one-strike and you're out criteria.
First I tested & deleted the Hola GPS location as per advice from Vanguard.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.hola.gpslocation
Next I tested the Lexa *Fake GPS location* to help out the OP and reported
on the results in a prior post.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps
In addition, if you're going to be faking the location you may as well set
the time zone properly. For that I added a one-click shortcut to Android 11
Settings > scroll > General management > Date and time
Next I tested *Mock-Loc* which had one nice feature not in the rest which
was you could apparently create a track and then "play" that track whenever
you wanted the phone to spoof that specific track (as far as I could tell in
the quick test).
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mocker.mockloc
I found *FakeGPSController* location setting cumbersome and even so it
complained about needing to be in the system folder and it kept crashing
(perhaps as it was built for an older Android) so I also deleted it after a
quick test.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.delvedapps.fakegpscontroller
*Mockation* was similar to Lexa in that you could set a few things (but not
as many as Lexa allowed). Like Lexa Mockation has a search so it zoomed
right into the Tower of London when I searched for "London Tower."
Unfortunately, in every test I ran after setting the location, Google Maps
reported my correct location - so I uninstalled it.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blackkara.mockation
*Mocklation* has a map that's harder to use because there is no search I
could find but it saved the Tower of London after forcing me to name it
first. Worse though is that even after I set Mockation to access GPS even
when in the background, it didn't spoof Google Maps location in the least.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.p72b.mocklation
*FakeGPSLocation* from HopeFactory had an easy search-&-set but no other
options so it's of limited usefulness even as it's very easy to use.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hopefactory2021.fakegpslocation
*FakeGPS* from RedSkyMedia had a nice map but it kept crashing and worse, it
didn't fool Google Play so it was deleted within a minute or two of use.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.redskymedia.fakegps
*Fake GPS* Phone Location Changer with Joystick wouldn't even display the
map so I deleted it within a minute of use.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=find.my.friends.family.gps.location.tracker
*Location Mocker* was blocked by Play Protect for some reason.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brianbhuang.fakelocation
Cameo
May 27, 2021, 10:40:33 AM5/27/21
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that, I think I'll stick to using my Win10 laptop with HULU.
Cameo
May 27, 2021, 10:42:22 AM5/27/21
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paul
May 27, 2021, 11:17:30 AM5/27/21
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Cameo wrote on 27.05.2021 16:40
In summary it's not hard to spoof GPS location but there are other issues
depending on whether the outfit watching over you is looking at other
fingperint data (such as accounts, IMEI, time zones & regional settings).
For _just_ GPS spoofing on Android, here are the steps for others to follow.
1... Choose any decent GPS spoofing app that fits your needs
2... Set it as the mock location app & at startup/while-used/background
3... Set it up for location & movement (static, random, or play a track)
When you wish to spoof your GPS-reported location
4... Turn on the GPS spoofing app (if not set for starting at bootup)
5... Turn on the phone's "Location" (eg via the "teardrop" icon tile)
6... Test, perhaps with Google Maps by pressing the locate-me target icon
*If others want to suggest better _tests_ of the spoofing, please do.*
The goal is for all of us to learn from each other by our contributions.
> Thanks for the tremendous amount of research you put into this. Based on
> that, I think I'll stick to using my Win10 laptop with HULU.
I tested GPS spoofing aps so that everyone would benefit from the effort.
> that, I think I'll stick to using my Win10 laptop with HULU.
In summary it's not hard to spoof GPS location but there are other issues
depending on whether the outfit watching over you is looking at other
fingperint data (such as accounts, IMEI, time zones & regional settings).
For _just_ GPS spoofing on Android, here are the steps for others to follow.
1... Choose any decent GPS spoofing app that fits your needs
2... Set it as the mock location app & at startup/while-used/background
3... Set it up for location & movement (static, random, or play a track)
When you wish to spoof your GPS-reported location
4... Turn on the GPS spoofing app (if not set for starting at bootup)
5... Turn on the phone's "Location" (eg via the "teardrop" icon tile)
6... Test, perhaps with Google Maps by pressing the locate-me target icon
*If others want to suggest better _tests_ of the spoofing, please do.*
The goal is for all of us to learn from each other by our contributions.
Eli the Bearded
May 27, 2021, 2:10:17 PM5/27/21
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is probably by seeing if a membership is used in a bunch of geographic
locations at once. Consider the case of me running a personal VPN[*] to
let my kids (three kids, in three different states) use my Hulu
membership. The VPN would make it seem like all were coming from the
same location, the GPS would prove that wrong.
This is a lot of work for not a lot of value.
I would guess they are doing this for licensing reasons. Media is very
often licensed on a per-country basis, and they maybe are choosing GPS
as a way to prove to the content owners that they are being serious
about cracking down on VPN bypasses for national border license
restrictions.
[*] I don't run a personal VPN for any reason.
Elijah
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"media" includes movies, tv shows, music, books, etc
Cameo
May 27, 2021, 5:53:34 PM5/27/21
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European satellite or terrestrial TV carrying US soccer games. I would
gladly drop the expensive HULU subscription if it was available in EU.
paul
May 28, 2021, 4:27:52 PM5/28/21
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I ran a single blind test today and the GPS spoofing only worked initially.
Then it failed.
Maybe AGPS kicked in?
Dunno.
I spoofed the location to the London Bridge and had the location change
randomly by 10 meters every 3 seconds (or so I had thought).
I handed the phone to the passenger to route me to a location, which
initially confused her, but then, somehow, Google Maps fixed it.
It took her only a couple of minutes to fix the location.
I knew the gig was up when Google Maps told me to make a turn at the next
road using accurate local road names.
So _somehow_ Google Maps figured out something or maybe the spoof failed?
This spoofing needs more testing.
Afterward I looked up which app most people use.
At least this (older but reliable) article says to use the same one I did.
https://9to5google.com/2018/04/08/spoof-location-android-basics/
Then it failed.
Maybe AGPS kicked in?
Dunno.
I spoofed the location to the London Bridge and had the location change
randomly by 10 meters every 3 seconds (or so I had thought).
I handed the phone to the passenger to route me to a location, which
initially confused her, but then, somehow, Google Maps fixed it.
It took her only a couple of minutes to fix the location.
I knew the gig was up when Google Maps told me to make a turn at the next
road using accurate local road names.
So _somehow_ Google Maps figured out something or maybe the spoof failed?
This spoofing needs more testing.
Afterward I looked up which app most people use.
At least this (older but reliable) article says to use the same one I did.
https://9to5google.com/2018/04/08/spoof-location-android-basics/
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