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micky
Aug 2, 2023, 2:16:28 AM8/2/23
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If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?
In this case it's Extra Loud Ringtones, or some such name. I have two
apps like that and neither are in the app store anymore. I think it's
unlikely there is anything about them that could become obsolete, since
they are just a list of sound files.
app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?
In this case it's Extra Loud Ringtones, or some such name. I have two
apps like that and neither are in the app store anymore. I think it's
unlikely there is anything about them that could become obsolete, since
they are just a list of sound files.
Andy Burns
Aug 2, 2023, 4:41:01 AM8/2/23
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micky wrote:
> If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
> app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?
on both phones, go into the Play Store app
> If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
> app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?
Manage apps & device
on the new phone click [Receive]
on the old phone click [Send]
tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
select the old phone as the receiver
verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones
on the new phone click [Receive], then [Install]
on both phones click disconnect.
micky
Aug 2, 2023, 9:36:39 AM8/2/23
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In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:41:00 +0100, Andy Burns
That sounds great. I'm busy today but after I do it, I plan to let you
know how it went. (I needed to hear the phone this morning if someone
called when I was asleep, but I was up by 8 and no one had called, so
I'm not in a hurry right now.)
know how it went. (I needed to hear the phone this morning if someone
called when I was asleep, but I was up by 8 and no one had called, so
I'm not in a hurry right now.)
Incubus
Aug 2, 2023, 10:19:31 AM8/2/23
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all the icon placements (in their correct folder and homescreen location).
In the old phone, you save the nova backup file.
On the new phone, you load that nova backup file.
For all the apps (usually the default apps, of course) which already exist
on the new phone, they will be in the exact same spot on the new phone.
But the apps that don't yet exist on the new phone will be grayed out.
For those, one by one, you tap on each grayed out app icon placeholder.
That will automatically install the app off of the Google Play Store.
Voila!
The result is all the same apps you had before.
In exactly the same spot!
For those apps which no longer exist on the Google Play Store (it happens),
you can _extract_ those apps off the old phone onto the new phone.
The reason you can extract apps off the old phone onto the new phone is
that Android never deletes the original APK (even for the default apps).
The Real Bev
Aug 2, 2023, 10:57:05 AM8/2/23
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week ago I updated 130 apps. Today it wants me to update 27. Feh.
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"We're from the Government. We're here to help."
sms
Aug 2, 2023, 12:31:27 PM8/2/23
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On 8/2/2023 1:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> micky wrote:
>
>> If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
>> app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?
>
> on both phones, go into the Play Store app
> Manage apps & device
>
> on the new phone click [Receive]
>
> on the old phone click [Send]
> tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
> not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
> select the old phone as the receiver
> verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones
Does this download the same apps from the Play Store or actually
> micky wrote:
>
>> If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
>> app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?
>
> on both phones, go into the Play Store app
> Manage apps & device
>
> on the new phone click [Receive]
>
> on the old phone click [Send]
> tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
> not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
> select the old phone as the receiver
> verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones
transfer the apps from one phone to the other? On the iPhone you can't
"transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.
He might have to extract the APK from the old phone and then load it on
the new phone.
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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
Andy Burns
Aug 2, 2023, 12:34:44 PM8/2/23
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sms wrote:
> Does this download the same apps from the Play Store or actually
> transfer the apps from one phone to the other?
The sending phone does upload the actual .apk, not just a reference to
> Does this download the same apps from the Play Store or actually
> transfer the apps from one phone to the other?
it within the store, I don't think the phones transfer directly between
each other, presumably use some storage on google.
micky
Aug 2, 2023, 12:53:01 PM8/2/23
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only offers to send 12 of them
Airbnb
Amazon Alexa
Chomp
CNBC
Instacart
Map of specific area
Maps & Navigation
Microsoft Swiftkey Keyboard
Photos
Telegram
Webex Meet.
I wonder what makes these suitable and not the other 100.
I sorted by size and it was the same 12!
(I'm googling the same question but that requires reading entire
articles and hoping one mentions the limited number and how to get
around it, if possible. And the first hit, from google itself, didn't
seem to correspond to my phones. It talks about Copy and no mention of
Send or Receive, which both your directions and my phones had.)
micky
Aug 2, 2023, 12:55:07 PM8/2/23
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In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 07:57:02 -0700, The Real Bev
I never had more than 5 or 10 before, and I always did them. Today it
wants to do 88 of them. Is it an August Special sale?
wants to do 88 of them. Is it an August Special sale?
micky
Aug 2, 2023, 12:56:53 PM8/2/23
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In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:31:25 -0700, sms
>"transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.
>
>He might have to extract the APK from the old phone and then load it on
>the new phone.
I might have to do that. How do I do that?
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>On 8/2/2023 1:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> micky wrote:
>>
>>> If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
>>> app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?
>>
>> on both phones, go into the Play Store app
>> Manage apps & device
>>
>> on the new phone click [Receive]
>>
>> on the old phone click [Send]
>> tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
>> not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
>> select the old phone as the receiver
>> verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones
>
>Does this download the same apps from the Play Store or actually
>transfer the apps from one phone to the other? On the iPhone you can't
Andy answered.
>On 8/2/2023 1:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> micky wrote:
>>
>>> If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
>>> app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?
>>
>> on both phones, go into the Play Store app
>> Manage apps & device
>>
>> on the new phone click [Receive]
>>
>> on the old phone click [Send]
>> tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
>> not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
>> select the old phone as the receiver
>> verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones
>
>Does this download the same apps from the Play Store or actually
>transfer the apps from one phone to the other? On the iPhone you can't
>"transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.
>
>He might have to extract the APK from the old phone and then load it on
>the new phone.
Andy Burns
Aug 2, 2023, 12:57:29 PM8/2/23
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micky wrote:
> This sounded perfect and your directions were great, but I tried and it
> only offers to send 12 of them
>
> This sounded perfect and your directions were great, but I tried and it
> only offers to send 12 of them
>
> I wonder what makes these suitable and not the other 100.
It'll only do apps that are un-paid ones.
Wally J
Aug 2, 2023, 1:10:38 PM8/2/23
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micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote
>>He might have to extract the APK from the old phone and then load it on
>>the new phone.
>
> I might have to do that. How do I do that?
This was covered about a billion times already on this newsgroup micky.
Seriously. I have to conclude you are stupid because someone can tell you
something a thousand times and then you will _still_ ask how to do it.
But since I care that people get their answers, I'll tell you 1 more time.
Search http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android and use the search
term "extract APK" and see that you _missed_ a thousand posts on how.
And while you _are_ an asshole (see your posts on the a.h.r newsgroup where
you openly claimed you have every right to be an asshole on that ng), I'm
not - as I do care that people get the information tehy need.
Even if they're incredibly stupid like you are micky.
Here's the general-purpose link you missed a thousand times already.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=extract%20apk&c=apps
Steve needs to add this to his spreadsheet since the iPhone can't do this.
Also note that we covered in depth the BEST apps to do that extraction.
Look it up to see that you _missed_ it a thousand times, micky.
--
Waiting a few seconds for you to ask the same question over & over again.
Forever.
>>He might have to extract the APK from the old phone and then load it on
>>the new phone.
>
> I might have to do that. How do I do that?
Seriously. I have to conclude you are stupid because someone can tell you
something a thousand times and then you will _still_ ask how to do it.
But since I care that people get their answers, I'll tell you 1 more time.
Search http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android and use the search
term "extract APK" and see that you _missed_ a thousand posts on how.
And while you _are_ an asshole (see your posts on the a.h.r newsgroup where
you openly claimed you have every right to be an asshole on that ng), I'm
not - as I do care that people get the information tehy need.
Even if they're incredibly stupid like you are micky.
Here's the general-purpose link you missed a thousand times already.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=extract%20apk&c=apps
Steve needs to add this to his spreadsheet since the iPhone can't do this.
Also note that we covered in depth the BEST apps to do that extraction.
Look it up to see that you _missed_ it a thousand times, micky.
--
Waiting a few seconds for you to ask the same question over & over again.
Forever.
sms
Aug 2, 2023, 1:24:40 PM8/2/23
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On 8/2/2023 9:56 AM, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:31:25 -0700, sms
<snip>
> In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:31:25 -0700, sms
> I might have to do that. How do I do that?
micky
Aug 2, 2023, 1:31:03 PM8/2/23
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In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 17:57:28 +0100, Andy Burns
Makes sense. But most of the others are unpaid. (Only 5 or 6 are paid)
Maybe it won't do apps that have updates pending, like 88 of mine did.
No, that makes no sense. People would want to copy favorite old versions
from an old phone, instead of the new version from the app store. Plus
these two ringtone programs were both free.
It's only ringtones. I'll find another. It would have saved me time to
use the old apps, and I dl'd a new loud ringtone app and didn't
understand it. "-(
THIS JUST IN: I got mixed up. After I updated 88 apps on the new phone,
it's ready to send 110 apps, including... the two ringtone apps I
thought I didnt' have. Very very sorry -- I'll make it up to you
somehow -- but I learned a lot and so did the Real Bev. I thought I
didn't have them because their ringtones weren't offered to me when I
tried to change a tone, like they were on the previous phone.
Back to the old phone, it's read to send 13 now, not just 12. It added
MB TV. No idea why.
1:05, ... 1:30
Maybe it won't do apps that have updates pending, like 88 of mine did.
No, that makes no sense. People would want to copy favorite old versions
from an old phone, instead of the new version from the app store. Plus
these two ringtone programs were both free.
It's only ringtones. I'll find another. It would have saved me time to
use the old apps, and I dl'd a new loud ringtone app and didn't
understand it. "-(
THIS JUST IN: I got mixed up. After I updated 88 apps on the new phone,
it's ready to send 110 apps, including... the two ringtone apps I
thought I didnt' have. Very very sorry -- I'll make it up to you
somehow -- but I learned a lot and so did the Real Bev. I thought I
didn't have them because their ringtones weren't offered to me when I
tried to change a tone, like they were on the previous phone.
Back to the old phone, it's read to send 13 now, not just 12. It added
MB TV. No idea why.
1:05, ... 1:30
Wally J
Aug 2, 2023, 1:40:22 PM8/2/23
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Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote
Since I care that everyone benefits, there's another approach which is to
run a program that lists all the apps that are on the phone to a text file.
That text file will contain the URL to the app so all you need, using that
method, is to copy that text file from phone 1 to phone 1 and click links.
Bear in mind there is no one app that tells you all the apps on the phone.
Well, there is, but most people aren't using that one FOSS app I know of.
So it's a practical statement that the OP doesn't even _know_ what apps are
on the phone (and if anyone thinks the Google Play Store apps knows, it
doesn't either - since it only will update the apps it wants to update).
However, we covered in depth many times the apps that DO list all apps
(particularly in terms of updating them outside of the Google Play Store
update mechanism which, as I said, is so flawed as to be unreliable).
As discussed on this newsgroup many times (particularly since the iPhone
can't even list all the apps to an editable file - something that easy!),
the OP can run one of the apps that lists all the apps to a text file.
Normally that text file has _all_ the correct links to _where_ they came
from (which, for the OP, is likely only the Google Play Store) but for
others it may include F-Droid locations also.
In my case, since I don't use the Google Play Store, the links are all
wrong but they're useful to most people who do use the Google Play Store.
Since I'm always trying to be helpful, even for the idiots like micky,
here is one app that will list (most of) your apps in a useable format.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.onyxbits.listmyapps
With List My Apps, the task becomes as easy as checking the app(s) you want
to recommend and sharing them as:
Plain text
HTML list (e.g. for blog comments)
BBCode list (used by many forums)
Markdown list (e.g. for Reddit)
Market URL (e.g. for direct sharing via barcode scanner app
or importing in Raccoon: http://www.onyxbits.de/raccoon)
Any custom format, defined through the build-in template editor.
This one says it will share the apps from phone 1 to phone 2 over BT.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jenos.shareapkfile
Almost never will any app I suggest contain ads or cost money BTW.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sk.styk.martin.apkanalyzer
Apk Analyzer is the most downloaded apk analysis app on Google Play. It
provides detailed report of installed apps and also about not installed
.apk files from your device storage.
It's open source and completely ad free.
App report contains:
App naming and version data
Target and minimal Android versions
Install and update dates
Certificate and app sign data
Used permissions with description
Activities with launch option
Services, Broadcast Receivers and Content Providers
Required and optional hardware features
Full version of AndroidManifest.xml with save option
Installed apps can be saved to device storage and shared. App icon can be
saved as well! App decodes the main metadata file AndroidManifest and saves
it as a readable xml to an external storage.
Apk Analyzer shows you an app report even before installing from APK file.
run a program that lists all the apps that are on the phone to a text file.
That text file will contain the URL to the app so all you need, using that
method, is to copy that text file from phone 1 to phone 1 and click links.
Bear in mind there is no one app that tells you all the apps on the phone.
Well, there is, but most people aren't using that one FOSS app I know of.
So it's a practical statement that the OP doesn't even _know_ what apps are
on the phone (and if anyone thinks the Google Play Store apps knows, it
doesn't either - since it only will update the apps it wants to update).
However, we covered in depth many times the apps that DO list all apps
(particularly in terms of updating them outside of the Google Play Store
update mechanism which, as I said, is so flawed as to be unreliable).
As discussed on this newsgroup many times (particularly since the iPhone
can't even list all the apps to an editable file - something that easy!),
the OP can run one of the apps that lists all the apps to a text file.
Normally that text file has _all_ the correct links to _where_ they came
from (which, for the OP, is likely only the Google Play Store) but for
others it may include F-Droid locations also.
In my case, since I don't use the Google Play Store, the links are all
wrong but they're useful to most people who do use the Google Play Store.
Since I'm always trying to be helpful, even for the idiots like micky,
here is one app that will list (most of) your apps in a useable format.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.onyxbits.listmyapps
With List My Apps, the task becomes as easy as checking the app(s) you want
to recommend and sharing them as:
Plain text
HTML list (e.g. for blog comments)
BBCode list (used by many forums)
Markdown list (e.g. for Reddit)
Market URL (e.g. for direct sharing via barcode scanner app
or importing in Raccoon: http://www.onyxbits.de/raccoon)
Any custom format, defined through the build-in template editor.
This one says it will share the apps from phone 1 to phone 2 over BT.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jenos.shareapkfile
Almost never will any app I suggest contain ads or cost money BTW.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sk.styk.martin.apkanalyzer
Apk Analyzer is the most downloaded apk analysis app on Google Play. It
provides detailed report of installed apps and also about not installed
.apk files from your device storage.
It's open source and completely ad free.
App report contains:
App naming and version data
Target and minimal Android versions
Install and update dates
Certificate and app sign data
Used permissions with description
Activities with launch option
Services, Broadcast Receivers and Content Providers
Required and optional hardware features
Full version of AndroidManifest.xml with save option
Installed apps can be saved to device storage and shared. App icon can be
saved as well! App decodes the main metadata file AndroidManifest and saves
it as a readable xml to an external storage.
Apk Analyzer shows you an app report even before installing from APK file.
micky
Aug 2, 2023, 1:43:21 PM8/2/23
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In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:31:00 -0400, micky
Settings/Ringtones, it offers me a choice of Choose local ringtones, or
Pre-installed ringtones. Neither includeds the 2 apps or the app I
dl'd last night. I thought it did on the previous, Samsung phone.
I can go to one of the Loud Ringtone apps, play the sounds first and
install them there, and that worked. When I called my phone I got the
new tone, but in the settings it just says Ringtone 8192, like it did
yesterday. A bug in Xiaomi I think and part of the reason I got
confused.
Anyhow, to set an externally loaded tone, need to do so from the
externally loaded app.
<NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>THIS JUST IN: I got mixed up. After I updated 88 apps on the new phone,
>it's ready to send 110 apps, including... the two ringtone apps I
>thought I didnt' have. Very very sorry -- I'll make it up to you
>somehow -- but I learned a lot and so did the Real Bev. I thought I
>didn't have them because their ringtones weren't offered to me when I
>tried to change a tone, like they were on the previous phone.
FYI, in case you care: With this Xiaomi phone, when I go
>
>THIS JUST IN: I got mixed up. After I updated 88 apps on the new phone,
>it's ready to send 110 apps, including... the two ringtone apps I
>thought I didnt' have. Very very sorry -- I'll make it up to you
>somehow -- but I learned a lot and so did the Real Bev. I thought I
>didn't have them because their ringtones weren't offered to me when I
>tried to change a tone, like they were on the previous phone.
Settings/Ringtones, it offers me a choice of Choose local ringtones, or
Pre-installed ringtones. Neither includeds the 2 apps or the app I
dl'd last night. I thought it did on the previous, Samsung phone.
I can go to one of the Loud Ringtone apps, play the sounds first and
install them there, and that worked. When I called my phone I got the
new tone, but in the settings it just says Ringtone 8192, like it did
yesterday. A bug in Xiaomi I think and part of the reason I got
confused.
Anyhow, to set an externally loaded tone, need to do so from the
externally loaded app.
micky
Aug 2, 2023, 1:49:59 PM8/2/23
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In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:24:39 -0700, sms
apps that I like are no longer in the appstore, afaict. They redid the
appstore format a few months ago and I don't like it anymore.
And thanks Andy.
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>On 8/2/2023 9:56 AM, micky wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:31:25 -0700, sms
>
><snip>
>
>> I might have to do that. How do I do that?
>
>See <https://techwiser.com/extract-apk-android/>
Thanks. I will need this for my next phone, since the two loud ringtone
>On 8/2/2023 9:56 AM, micky wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:31:25 -0700, sms
>
><snip>
>
>> I might have to do that. How do I do that?
>
>See <https://techwiser.com/extract-apk-android/>
apps that I like are no longer in the appstore, afaict. They redid the
appstore format a few months ago and I don't like it anymore.
And thanks Andy.
Wally J
Aug 2, 2023, 2:32:34 PM8/2/23
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micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote
> Thanks. I will need this for my next phone, since the two loud ringtone
> apps that I like are no longer in the appstore, afaict. They redid the
> appstore format a few months ago and I don't like it anymore.
Another method is to use the Aurora front end to the Google Play Store.
That automatically saves the FULL INSTALLER onto your sd card for you.
Every app you install using the Aurora front end to the Google Play Store
app, is saved wherever you set it to save it (internal or external memory).
When you get a new phone, you pop out the sdcard temporarily and put it
into the new phone and tap onto each of the previously saved full APKs.
Then you can return the sdcard to the original phone like it was before.
Or leave the sdcard in the new phone (another thing iPhones just can't do).
Steve should add that capability to re-install all the original apps to his
comparison between Android and iOS since only Android autosaves the APK.
> Thanks. I will need this for my next phone, since the two loud ringtone
> apps that I like are no longer in the appstore, afaict. They redid the
> appstore format a few months ago and I don't like it anymore.
That automatically saves the FULL INSTALLER onto your sd card for you.
Every app you install using the Aurora front end to the Google Play Store
app, is saved wherever you set it to save it (internal or external memory).
When you get a new phone, you pop out the sdcard temporarily and put it
into the new phone and tap onto each of the previously saved full APKs.
Then you can return the sdcard to the original phone like it was before.
Or leave the sdcard in the new phone (another thing iPhones just can't do).
Steve should add that capability to re-install all the original apps to his
comparison between Android and iOS since only Android autosaves the APK.
Wally J
Aug 2, 2023, 2:53:48 PM8/2/23
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micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote
> Makes sense. But most of the others are unpaid. (Only 5 or 6 are paid)
> Maybe it won't do apps that have updates pending, like 88 of mine did.
> No, that makes no sense. People would want to copy favorite old versions
> from an old phone, instead of the new version from the app store. Plus
> these two ringtone programs were both free.
>
> It's only ringtones. I'll find another. It would have saved me time to
> use the old apps, and I dl'd a new loud ringtone app and didn't
> understand it. "-(
Bear in mind Google Play Store does not update all the installed apps.
It's not even close.
We covered, in this newsgroup, many times, micky - how to update all apps.
You could run that - and you'd _know_ exactly what updates are needed.
You run the app.
It compares the app you have installed to what's available on Google Play.
And it tells you the delta.
It tells you whether the app is available anymore.
And what versions are available too.
It's your choice if you want to update each individual app after that.
This has been covered, many times, on this newsgroup.
Run a search on http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android
Use a search term like "update apps" or something along those lines.
> Makes sense. But most of the others are unpaid. (Only 5 or 6 are paid)
> Maybe it won't do apps that have updates pending, like 88 of mine did.
> No, that makes no sense. People would want to copy favorite old versions
> from an old phone, instead of the new version from the app store. Plus
> these two ringtone programs were both free.
>
> It's only ringtones. I'll find another. It would have saved me time to
> use the old apps, and I dl'd a new loud ringtone app and didn't
> understand it. "-(
It's not even close.
We covered, in this newsgroup, many times, micky - how to update all apps.
You could run that - and you'd _know_ exactly what updates are needed.
You run the app.
It compares the app you have installed to what's available on Google Play.
And it tells you the delta.
It tells you whether the app is available anymore.
And what versions are available too.
It's your choice if you want to update each individual app after that.
This has been covered, many times, on this newsgroup.
Run a search on http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android
Use a search term like "update apps" or something along those lines.
Wally J
Aug 2, 2023, 3:06:08 PM8/2/23
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micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote
> FYI, in case you care: With this Xiaomi phone, when I go
> Settings/Ringtones, it offers me a choice of Choose local ringtones, or
> Pre-installed ringtones. Neither includeds the 2 apps or the app I
> dl'd last night. I thought it did on the previous, Samsung phone.
>
> I can go to one of the Loud Ringtone apps, play the sounds first and
> install them there, and that worked. When I called my phone I got the
> new tone, but in the settings it just says Ringtone 8192, like it did
> yesterday. A bug in Xiaomi I think and part of the reason I got
> confused.
>
> Anyhow, to set an externally loaded tone, need to do so from the
> externally loaded app.
Are you sure you need a specific "ringtone app" for what you want to do?
I don't play with ringtones, but when my kids were in their teens, I used
to make customized phone caller ringtones for them like "I'm a Barbie
Girl... Life in Plastic... It's fantastic", etc. tied to the caller id.
What I did at the time was take any song that they liked, and I would snip
out 20 or 30 seconds with Audacity, and set the audacity filters like the
upper and lower freq limits and the decibels, and save it as an MP3 file.
Then I would set it as the customer ringtone for any given caller ID.
I don't see why that can't still be done even today.
Steve should add this if he hasn't already to his comparison doc.
> FYI, in case you care: With this Xiaomi phone, when I go
> Settings/Ringtones, it offers me a choice of Choose local ringtones, or
> Pre-installed ringtones. Neither includeds the 2 apps or the app I
> dl'd last night. I thought it did on the previous, Samsung phone.
>
> I can go to one of the Loud Ringtone apps, play the sounds first and
> install them there, and that worked. When I called my phone I got the
> new tone, but in the settings it just says Ringtone 8192, like it did
> yesterday. A bug in Xiaomi I think and part of the reason I got
> confused.
>
> Anyhow, to set an externally loaded tone, need to do so from the
> externally loaded app.
I don't play with ringtones, but when my kids were in their teens, I used
to make customized phone caller ringtones for them like "I'm a Barbie
Girl... Life in Plastic... It's fantastic", etc. tied to the caller id.
What I did at the time was take any song that they liked, and I would snip
out 20 or 30 seconds with Audacity, and set the audacity filters like the
upper and lower freq limits and the decibels, and save it as an MP3 file.
Then I would set it as the customer ringtone for any given caller ID.
I don't see why that can't still be done even today.
Steve should add this if he hasn't already to his comparison doc.
nospam
Aug 2, 2023, 3:10:57 PM8/2/23
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In article <uae0cs$5jeu$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On the iPhone you can't
> "transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.
another false claim from you.
> On the iPhone you can't
> "transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.
Wally J
Aug 2, 2023, 3:58:25 PM8/2/23
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote
>> On the iPhone you can't
>> "transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.
>
> another false claim from you.
Steve is correct that Apple's restrictive walled garden prevents this.
For whatever reason, nospam is either ignorant, or a liar. Pick one.
I'm not sure why nospam feels the need to lie about the walled garden.
a. Steve is correct.
b. Nospam is either ignorant or a liar (but in reality, he's a liar).
The iPhone is horribly brain dead when it comes to doing the very many
rather useful things you can do with a free app's APK on Android.
For whatever reason, nospam is lying.
The fact is Steve is correct.
Android _never_ has to make a backup in order to reuse an app on any other
Android phone. Only iOS has to make that backup before you can re-use it.
The reason is that with Android, the backup is completely automatic!
It's already there.
And, if you wanted to, you can save _every_ APK version ever installed.
That way you can re-install any free app on any Android in the world.
There is no chance in hell of iOS being able to do that.
All because of the walled-garden restrictions on IPAs.
For Android, it's any phone - just only Android's registered to you.
(In fact, only IOS _requires_ the username to be a registered component!)
The only way on an iPhone you will ever get the same app version that you
want is if you _saved_ that app version during a backup (e.g., iTunes).
If you haven't expressly saved that app version during your own personal
backup, then you're _never_ going to get that app onto your new device.
Worse... much worse in fact... even if you did save that app version during
a backup - Apple has coded your unique Apple ID into _every_ app so if you
wanted to put the app on another device with a different Apple ID, you
can't (family plans accepted).
This is so freaking restrictive that a typical Android user would be aghast
if they knew how horrible it is to re-install IPAs from the iPhone.
For one, iOS can't autosave every IPA upon intallation. Android does.
For another, iOS can't extract an IPA after installation. Android can.
For yet another, iOS can't put that (free) app on any device. Android can.
The most restrictive problem with the iPhone is that if the app no longer
exists in the app store (in any version or in the version you like best),
and if you didn't already make a backup of that IPA - you're dead.
With Android, you're not.
In summary, for whatever reason, nospam lied as Steve is correct.
Note that both Steve and I use both platforms daily. Nospam does not.
It's obvious not only does nospam know nothing about Android, but since
he's wrong so many times about iOS, he's either ignorant of it, or a liar.
Pick one.
>> On the iPhone you can't
>> "transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.
>
> another false claim from you.
For whatever reason, nospam is either ignorant, or a liar. Pick one.
I'm not sure why nospam feels the need to lie about the walled garden.
a. Steve is correct.
b. Nospam is either ignorant or a liar (but in reality, he's a liar).
The iPhone is horribly brain dead when it comes to doing the very many
rather useful things you can do with a free app's APK on Android.
For whatever reason, nospam is lying.
The fact is Steve is correct.
Android _never_ has to make a backup in order to reuse an app on any other
Android phone. Only iOS has to make that backup before you can re-use it.
The reason is that with Android, the backup is completely automatic!
It's already there.
And, if you wanted to, you can save _every_ APK version ever installed.
That way you can re-install any free app on any Android in the world.
There is no chance in hell of iOS being able to do that.
All because of the walled-garden restrictions on IPAs.
For Android, it's any phone - just only Android's registered to you.
(In fact, only IOS _requires_ the username to be a registered component!)
The only way on an iPhone you will ever get the same app version that you
want is if you _saved_ that app version during a backup (e.g., iTunes).
If you haven't expressly saved that app version during your own personal
backup, then you're _never_ going to get that app onto your new device.
Worse... much worse in fact... even if you did save that app version during
a backup - Apple has coded your unique Apple ID into _every_ app so if you
wanted to put the app on another device with a different Apple ID, you
can't (family plans accepted).
This is so freaking restrictive that a typical Android user would be aghast
if they knew how horrible it is to re-install IPAs from the iPhone.
For one, iOS can't autosave every IPA upon intallation. Android does.
For another, iOS can't extract an IPA after installation. Android can.
For yet another, iOS can't put that (free) app on any device. Android can.
The most restrictive problem with the iPhone is that if the app no longer
exists in the app store (in any version or in the version you like best),
and if you didn't already make a backup of that IPA - you're dead.
With Android, you're not.
In summary, for whatever reason, nospam lied as Steve is correct.
Note that both Steve and I use both platforms daily. Nospam does not.
It's obvious not only does nospam know nothing about Android, but since
he's wrong so many times about iOS, he's either ignorant of it, or a liar.
Pick one.
nospam
Aug 2, 2023, 6:40:55 PM8/2/23
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In article <uaecgv$1a0gr$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, Wally J
the simple fact is that both of you do not know how and wrongly assume
it can't be done. what's worse is it's been explained many times before
and you still make these bogus easily debunked claims.
<walte...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
> >> On the iPhone you can't
> >> "transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.
> >
> > another false claim from you.
>
> Steve is correct that Apple's restrictive walled garden prevents this.
wrong. nothing prevents it.
>
> >> On the iPhone you can't
> >> "transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.
> >
> > another false claim from you.
>
> Steve is correct that Apple's restrictive walled garden prevents this.
the simple fact is that both of you do not know how and wrongly assume
it can't be done. what's worse is it's been explained many times before
and you still make these bogus easily debunked claims.
Wally J
Aug 2, 2023, 7:10:14 PM8/2/23
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote
>> Steve is correct that Apple's restrictive walled garden prevents this.
>
> wrong. nothing prevents it.
>
> the simple fact is that both of you do not know how and wrongly assume
> it can't be done. what's worse is it's been explained many times before
> and you still make these bogus easily debunked claims.
You _hate_ Apple's walled garden is so restrictive that you lie about it.
But, let's give you yet another chance to say you didn't lie when you did.
1. Micky asked to move apps but some apps no longer exist on the app store.
2. As with most people micky had no backup (which isn't needed on Android).
3. Multiple people told micky he could easily extract any free app
4. Not only that but extracted apps work on any phone (not just his ID)
Then...
5. Steve mentioned this trivially simple task is impossible to do with iOS
(even though it's exactly what anyone sensible would often want to do).
6. Then you claimed that was false.
Yet... you lied.
Why?
Are you really that desperate to claim iOS can do the simplest of things?
It can't.
Either you are ignorant that without a backup it's impossible if the app
(or version) isn't currently in the app store - which David Empson had to
inform both you and Jolly Roger was a fact - despite your constant lies.
Why did you lie?
Are you desperate to defend Apple's honor, nospam?
To the point that you'll lie about what it can do?
Remember, both Steve and I use iOS every day (along with Android).
You do not.
We know the truth.
You do not (or, you lie). Pick one.
Why do you _hate_ truths about Apple so much that you lie to defend Apple?
>> Steve is correct that Apple's restrictive walled garden prevents this.
>
> wrong. nothing prevents it.
>
> the simple fact is that both of you do not know how and wrongly assume
> it can't be done. what's worse is it's been explained many times before
> and you still make these bogus easily debunked claims.
But, let's give you yet another chance to say you didn't lie when you did.
1. Micky asked to move apps but some apps no longer exist on the app store.
2. As with most people micky had no backup (which isn't needed on Android).
3. Multiple people told micky he could easily extract any free app
4. Not only that but extracted apps work on any phone (not just his ID)
Then...
5. Steve mentioned this trivially simple task is impossible to do with iOS
(even though it's exactly what anyone sensible would often want to do).
6. Then you claimed that was false.
Yet... you lied.
Why?
Are you really that desperate to claim iOS can do the simplest of things?
It can't.
Either you are ignorant that without a backup it's impossible if the app
(or version) isn't currently in the app store - which David Empson had to
inform both you and Jolly Roger was a fact - despite your constant lies.
Why did you lie?
Are you desperate to defend Apple's honor, nospam?
To the point that you'll lie about what it can do?
Remember, both Steve and I use iOS every day (along with Android).
You do not.
We know the truth.
You do not (or, you lie). Pick one.
Why do you _hate_ truths about Apple so much that you lie to defend Apple?
nospam
Aug 2, 2023, 7:14:51 PM8/2/23
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In article <uaenoj$1b1cd$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, Wally J
<walte...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> 2. As with most people micky had no backup (which isn't needed on Android).
backups are needed on any device.
> 2. As with most people micky had no backup (which isn't needed on Android).
Wally J
Aug 2, 2023, 7:34:24 PM8/2/23
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote
>> 2. As with most people micky had no backup (which isn't needed on Android).
>
> backups are needed on any device.
Nobody is fooled but you nospam that we're talking about the apps.
*How do I redownload and reinstall an older version of iOS app into my iPhone 4S?*
By Ant, Oct 8, 2018
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/56nEgAZIjGk/m/8YwHkJkCAwAJ>
For at least five years, nospam has been lying about iOS IPA installs.
Even David Empson had to rebuke nospam and ask him to stop lying about it.
And that was five years ago.
*What's interesting is _why_ nospam lies about iOS lack of functionality*
Remember, Steve and I both use iOS every day (along with Android).
He does not.
He has no clue what Android can do, for example, Android...
a. Natively backs up the APK to the phone for _every_ app automatically.
b. Backs up the APK for every app _version_ automatically (off by default).
c. Re-installs free APKs to _any_ phone in the world (not just your ID!).
d. If you have sdslots, you can pop it out of phone 1 & put it in phone 2.
e. You can then re-install every app simply by tapping on the sdcard APK.
f. Everything goes in the EXACT folder and exact position as it was before.
g. You can list all apps & their URLs to an editable text file if desired.
h. You can mail that list to anyone and they can install the same apps.
i. Simply by tapping on the links because the output is a normal HTML file.
j. If you lost an app you can get it back even if it's not on the appstore.
etc.
All of that is _impossible_ to do on iOS, even as it's what everyone does.
>> 2. As with most people micky had no backup (which isn't needed on Android).
>
> backups are needed on any device.
*How do I redownload and reinstall an older version of iOS app into my iPhone 4S?*
By Ant, Oct 8, 2018
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/56nEgAZIjGk/m/8YwHkJkCAwAJ>
For at least five years, nospam has been lying about iOS IPA installs.
Even David Empson had to rebuke nospam and ask him to stop lying about it.
And that was five years ago.
*What's interesting is _why_ nospam lies about iOS lack of functionality*
Remember, Steve and I both use iOS every day (along with Android).
He does not.
He has no clue what Android can do, for example, Android...
a. Natively backs up the APK to the phone for _every_ app automatically.
b. Backs up the APK for every app _version_ automatically (off by default).
c. Re-installs free APKs to _any_ phone in the world (not just your ID!).
d. If you have sdslots, you can pop it out of phone 1 & put it in phone 2.
e. You can then re-install every app simply by tapping on the sdcard APK.
f. Everything goes in the EXACT folder and exact position as it was before.
g. You can list all apps & their URLs to an editable text file if desired.
h. You can mail that list to anyone and they can install the same apps.
i. Simply by tapping on the links because the output is a normal HTML file.
j. If you lost an app you can get it back even if it's not on the appstore.
etc.
All of that is _impossible_ to do on iOS, even as it's what everyone does.
sms
Aug 3, 2023, 12:59:32 PM8/3/23
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On 8/2/2023 10:49 AM, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:24:39 -0700, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:24:39 -0700, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> See <https://techwiser.com/extract-apk-android/>
>
> Thanks. I will need this for my next phone, since the two loud ringtone
> apps that I like are no longer in the appstore, afaict. They redid the
> appstore format a few months ago and I don't like it anymore.
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.juf2r3s1jcej>.
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 2:51:05 AM8/4/23
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In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 3 Aug 2023 09:59:24 -0700, sms
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>On 8/2/2023 10:49 AM, micky wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:24:39 -0700, sms
>> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>> See <https://techwiser.com/extract-apk-android/>
>>
>> Thanks. I will need this for my next phone, since the two loud ringtone
>> apps that I like are no longer in the appstore, afaict. They redid the
>> appstore format a few months ago and I don't like it anymore.
>
>I also added this information to the document as 228a on page 115, see
><https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.juf2r3s1jcej>.
Thanks
>On 8/2/2023 10:49 AM, micky wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:24:39 -0700, sms
>> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>> See <https://techwiser.com/extract-apk-android/>
>>
>> Thanks. I will need this for my next phone, since the two loud ringtone
>> apps that I like are no longer in the appstore, afaict. They redid the
>> appstore format a few months ago and I don't like it anymore.
>
>I also added this information to the document as 228a on page 115, see
><https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.juf2r3s1jcej>.
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