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ZOT
Jan 13, 2021, 3:11:19 AM1/13/21
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hello everybody,
Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
Many thanks
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Les politiciens sont imprévoyants, les électeurs sans mémoire.
Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
Many thanks
--
Les politiciens sont imprévoyants, les électeurs sans mémoire.
Joerg Lorenz
Jan 13, 2021, 4:24:14 AM1/13/21
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Am 13.01.21 um 09:11 schrieb ZOT:
In Europe it is illegal without consent of the called person.
> hello everybody,
> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
> Many thanks
Did you consider the privacy implications of recording a phone conversation?
> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
> Many thanks
In Europe it is illegal without consent of the called person.
NY
Jan 13, 2021, 5:27:27 AM1/13/21
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"Joerg Lorenz" <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote in message
news:rtme7t$ioj$1...@dont-email.me...
As I understand it, it is illegal without the consent of *one* of the two
people in the call. This prohibits tapping of calls by someone other than
the caller/callee, but allows either the caller or callee to record for
their own records. Courtesy dictates that the person doing the recording
asks permission, but AIUI there is no legal requirement to do this. There
are probably restrictions on what can be done with the recording (eg not to
be broadcast) without permission.
news:rtme7t$ioj$1...@dont-email.me...
people in the call. This prohibits tapping of calls by someone other than
the caller/callee, but allows either the caller or callee to record for
their own records. Courtesy dictates that the person doing the recording
asks permission, but AIUI there is no legal requirement to do this. There
are probably restrictions on what can be done with the recording (eg not to
be broadcast) without permission.
Dee
Jan 13, 2021, 7:13:54 AM1/13/21
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ZOT <pas...@pasici.us> wrote in news:rtm9v3$dj$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
> hello everybody,
> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
> Many thanks
I was looking into this issue not too long ago for a friend who was to
have a session with a counselor and wanted to record it (with the
counselor's consent).
Reading reviews on different apps in Google Play Store, I didn't feel
very confident in any of them, since it seemed a significant number of
users reported that the apps did not work, or worked only on
speakerphone, or record quality was poor. I hope others here might
share their recommendations if they have found one that works reliably.
However, I did find out that Google Voice has this capability, but ONLY
for INCOMING calls. So if you have a GV number and you want to record
an incoming call, you need to first change a setting to allow it, then
have the other party call you, then press "4" to start recording. To
stop recording, either press "4" again or hang up. Google Voice will
then send the recording to your voicemail where you can listen to it
and download it.
Dee
> hello everybody,
> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
> Many thanks
have a session with a counselor and wanted to record it (with the
counselor's consent).
Reading reviews on different apps in Google Play Store, I didn't feel
very confident in any of them, since it seemed a significant number of
users reported that the apps did not work, or worked only on
speakerphone, or record quality was poor. I hope others here might
share their recommendations if they have found one that works reliably.
However, I did find out that Google Voice has this capability, but ONLY
for INCOMING calls. So if you have a GV number and you want to record
an incoming call, you need to first change a setting to allow it, then
have the other party call you, then press "4" to start recording. To
stop recording, either press "4" again or hang up. Google Voice will
then send the recording to your voicemail where you can listen to it
and download it.
Dee
Arlen Holder
Jan 13, 2021, 7:20:30 AM1/13/21
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:26:52 -0000, NY wrote:
>>> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
>>> Many thanks
>>
>> Did you consider the privacy implications of recording a phone
>> conversation?
>> In Europe it is illegal without consent of the called person.
>
> As I understand it, it is illegal without the consent of *one* of the two
> people in the call. This prohibits tapping of calls by someone other than
> the caller/callee, but allows either the caller or callee to record for
> their own records. Courtesy dictates that the person doing the recording
> asks permission, but AIUI there is no legal requirement to do this. There
> are probably restrictions on what can be done with the recording (eg not to
> be broadcast) without permission.
Always striving to add well-cited technical value...
>>> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
>>> Many thanks
>>
>> Did you consider the privacy implications of recording a phone
>> conversation?
>> In Europe it is illegal without consent of the called person.
>
> As I understand it, it is illegal without the consent of *one* of the two
> people in the call. This prohibits tapping of calls by someone other than
> the caller/callee, but allows either the caller or callee to record for
> their own records. Courtesy dictates that the person doing the recording
> asks permission, but AIUI there is no legal requirement to do this. There
> are probably restrictions on what can be done with the recording (eg not to
> be broadcast) without permission.
o Where, people who don't cite their facts, are almost always wrong (IMHO)
Since they're "just guessing"...
Yet, given the "fingerprint" of the OP's utter lack of energy invested
o I suspect this is (yet another) credibility troll of the puppet master
Hence, I'll be uncharacteristically brief in my response
o As we've covered this, in gory detail (& with Joerg) in the archives.
Joerg Lorenz is (again) dead wrong - where he's immune to facts already presented him
o Yet, even NY is only partially correct (as specific laws differ among entities).
Nonetheless, for _adults_ interested in this topic, a search should find it
o As there's nothing of value (I suspect) to be had by rehashing it anew.
See also:
o Call Recording - Definative Legal Source?
<https://groups.google.com/g/uk.telecom.mobile/c/O-lSn7suQFU/>
o Call Recording
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/qd2HEUsZsfw/>
o Call recorder for the UK?
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/_Gmo2K4GmeE/>
o record from phone, by ZOT (this thread)
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/EytlOnhwZew/>
o IPhone call recording App?
<https://groups.google.com/g/uk.telecom.mobile/c/wLuZj5GxPa4/>
o Recording *beep* phone calls *beep*
<https://groups.google.com/g/uk.telecom.mobile/c/F1-44_hDGN0/m/sbI19Z3AeW4J>
o Need to record calls on PAYG / T-Mobile / Nokia 3310
<https://groups.google.com/g/uk.telecom.mobile/c/YA1w5RedGj8/>
o mobile phone call recorder
<https://groups.google.com/g/uk.telecom.mobile/c/khkDYeTV6y0/>
o How to record all calls?
<https://groups.google.com/g/uk.telecom.mobile/c/GAMdnxsjQiI/>
o Recording my mobile phone conversation
<https://groups.google.com/g/uk.telecom.mobile/c/Lb7K9z8JicM/>
o Is it possible to record mobile calls
<https://groups.google.com/g/uk.telecom.mobile/c/wMBkJj5RiEw/>
o Automatic call recorder freeware (best)
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/Tb8wf4fJu_A>
etc.
--
Note: Given this entire threads is, IMHO, most likely a troll
o I will not respond further (as once Joerg is involved, it's a shit storm
(given Joerg is immune to all facts he simply doesn't happen to like).
AJL
Jan 13, 2021, 11:44:27 AM1/13/21
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often use this to get a phone recorded crime admission. They have the
victim call the suspect and discuss the crime. And it's admissible in
court, although after the recording is played back to the suspect he
often ends up playing lets make a deal.
sms
Jan 13, 2021, 11:57:21 AM1/13/21
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"Georgia, 34 other states, and the District of Columbia, are what’s
known as one-party consent states when it comes to audio recordings.
Federally, the United States also allows one-party consent for phone and
audio recordings."
Generally it's a bad idea to commit crimes on a phone call that could be
recorded.
Eli the Bearded
Jan 13, 2021, 3:00:58 PM1/13/21
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>> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
> Did you consider the privacy implications of recording a phone conversation?
> In Europe it is illegal without consent of the called person.
In the US, one party or all party consent varies state to state. It is
> In Europe it is illegal without consent of the called person.
frequently the case when calling a commercial service that wants to
record calls that a recorded message is played before reaching a human
along the lines of "This call may be recorded for quality and training
purposes." By _not_ hanging up, there is implicit consent from that
point for the call to be recorded.
In those situations, recording the call yourself may also be done,
because now both sides have consented. Does the same happen in Europe?
Elijah
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guessing "yes"
nospam
Jan 13, 2021, 3:19:06 PM1/13/21
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In article <eli$21011...@qaz.wtf>, Eli the Bearded
> In those situations, recording the call yourself may also be done,
> because now both sides have consented.
nope, because they have only consented to *their* recording, not yours.
<*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
> In the US, one party or all party consent varies state to state. It is
> frequently the case when calling a commercial service that wants to
> record calls that a recorded message is played before reaching a human
> along the lines of "This call may be recorded for quality and training
> purposes." By _not_ hanging up, there is implicit consent from that
> point for the call to be recorded.
yep.
> In the US, one party or all party consent varies state to state. It is
> frequently the case when calling a commercial service that wants to
> record calls that a recorded message is played before reaching a human
> along the lines of "This call may be recorded for quality and training
> purposes." By _not_ hanging up, there is implicit consent from that
> point for the call to be recorded.
> In those situations, recording the call yourself may also be done,
> because now both sides have consented.
Piet
Jan 13, 2021, 3:42:41 PM1/13/21
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Eli the Bearded wrote:
> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
to pin you down on what you've said.
> By _not_ hanging up, there is implicit consent from that point for the
> call to be recorded.
That's similar to the usual nonsense in cookie statements. But without
your *explicit* consent there simply is no consent, not even implicit.
And actually most sites do behave accordingly, by not setting cookies
except for those that may legally be set without asking consent, e.g.
shopping cart cookies.
-p
> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> ZOT wrote:
>>> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
>>
>> Did you consider the privacy implications of recording a phone conversation?
>> In Europe it is illegal without consent of the called person.
>
> In the US, one party or all party consent varies state to state. It is
> frequently the case when calling a commercial service that wants to
> record calls that a recorded message is played before reaching a human
> along the lines of "This call may be recorded for quality and training
> purposes."
That's the usual "excuse", yes. In fact the recordings are as evidence
>>> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
>>
>> Did you consider the privacy implications of recording a phone conversation?
>> In Europe it is illegal without consent of the called person.
>
> In the US, one party or all party consent varies state to state. It is
> frequently the case when calling a commercial service that wants to
> record calls that a recorded message is played before reaching a human
> along the lines of "This call may be recorded for quality and training
> purposes."
to pin you down on what you've said.
> By _not_ hanging up, there is implicit consent from that point for the
> call to be recorded.
your *explicit* consent there simply is no consent, not even implicit.
And actually most sites do behave accordingly, by not setting cookies
except for those that may legally be set without asking consent, e.g.
shopping cart cookies.
-p
Joerg Lorenz
Jan 13, 2021, 4:09:39 PM1/13/21
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Am 13.01.21 um 11:26 schrieb NY:
But ist is not even legal to record calls for any purpose. This is also
the reason why it is difficult to find software for this in the app
stores whether it may be Android or Apple.
> As I understand it, it is illegal without the consent of *one* of the two
> people in the call.
Yes. That's correct.
> people in the call.
But ist is not even legal to record calls for any purpose. This is also
the reason why it is difficult to find software for this in the app
stores whether it may be Android or Apple.
AJL
Jan 13, 2021, 4:54:49 PM1/13/21
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recorder app hits on the first page. I'm in the US. Maybe it's your
location?
Carlos E.R.
Jan 13, 2021, 5:32:06 PM1/13/21
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is not in your contact list by default. Hasn't been activated, but
someone analyzing apps saw the hooks in the code.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Jan 13, 2021, 5:32:08 PM1/13/21
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--
Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Jan 13, 2021, 5:36:06 PM1/13/21
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On 13/01/2021 13.13, Dee wrote:
> ZOT <pas...@pasici.us> wrote in news:rtm9v3$dj$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>
>> hello everybody,
>> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
>> Many thanks
>
> I was looking into this issue not too long ago for a friend who was to
> have a session with a counselor and wanted to record it (with the
> counselor's consent).
>
> Reading reviews on different apps in Google Play Store, I didn't feel
> very confident in any of them, since it seemed a significant number of
> users reported that the apps did not work, or worked only on
> speakerphone, or record quality was poor. I hope others here might
> share their recommendations if they have found one that works reliably.
The problem is that some Android versions have the hooks for recording,
> ZOT <pas...@pasici.us> wrote in news:rtm9v3$dj$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>
>> hello everybody,
>> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
>> Many thanks
>
> I was looking into this issue not too long ago for a friend who was to
> have a session with a counselor and wanted to record it (with the
> counselor's consent).
>
> Reading reviews on different apps in Google Play Store, I didn't feel
> very confident in any of them, since it seemed a significant number of
> users reported that the apps did not work, or worked only on
> speakerphone, or record quality was poor. I hope others here might
> share their recommendations if they have found one that works reliably.
and others don't. What some apps try to do is recording the sound from
the speaker using the microphone, to bypass the lack of internal hooks.
Of course, this doesn't work well.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
nospam
Jan 13, 2021, 5:44:05 PM1/13/21
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In article <1v84dh-...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
it may not be true elsewhere.
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> In the US, one party or all party consent varies state to state. It is
> >> frequently the case when calling a commercial service that wants to
> >> record calls that a recorded message is played before reaching a human
> >> along the lines of "This call may be recorded for quality and training
> >> purposes." By _not_ hanging up, there is implicit consent from that
> >> point for the call to be recorded.
> >
> > yep.
> >
> >> In those situations, recording the call yourself may also be done,
> >> because now both sides have consented.
> >
> > nope, because they have only consented to *their* recording, not yours.
>
> No, I don't think this is true.
it is in the usa.
> >> In the US, one party or all party consent varies state to state. It is
> >> frequently the case when calling a commercial service that wants to
> >> record calls that a recorded message is played before reaching a human
> >> along the lines of "This call may be recorded for quality and training
> >> purposes." By _not_ hanging up, there is implicit consent from that
> >> point for the call to be recorded.
> >
> > yep.
> >
> >> In those situations, recording the call yourself may also be done,
> >> because now both sides have consented.
> >
> > nope, because they have only consented to *their* recording, not yours.
>
> No, I don't think this is true.
it may not be true elsewhere.
Eli the Bearded
Jan 13, 2021, 9:12:25 PM1/13/21
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In comp.mobile.android, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
[ I wrote, about calls after hearing a recording that "This
call may be recorded..."]:
EtB> In those situations, recording the call yourself may also be done,
EtB> because now both sides have consented.
[ nospam challenged that without any supporting documentation: ]
nospam> nope, because they have only consented to *their* recording, not yours.
[ Carlos E.R. replied: ]
Carlos> No, I don't think this is true.
[ nospam again asserts without any supporting documentation: ]
nospam> it is in the usa.
This is something I'm curious about, and I admit to not really knowing.
I've posted to misc.legal.moderated asking there. So far only one
response, which sides against nospam, at least for my statement above
about "recording the call yourself may also be done".
If you have caselaw to support that, please do share. I can find
ancedotes of people using my interpretation, but have not found anything
definitive. Most of the results I see are swamped with the corporate
side of getting the consent and notification part done legally.
Please feel free to post here or in misc.legal.moderated.
Elijah
------
is not a lawyer, but wants to understand the law
[ I wrote, about calls after hearing a recording that "This
call may be recorded..."]:
EtB> In those situations, recording the call yourself may also be done,
EtB> because now both sides have consented.
[ nospam challenged that without any supporting documentation: ]
nospam> nope, because they have only consented to *their* recording, not yours.
[ Carlos E.R. replied: ]
Carlos> No, I don't think this is true.
[ nospam again asserts without any supporting documentation: ]
nospam> it is in the usa.
This is something I'm curious about, and I admit to not really knowing.
I've posted to misc.legal.moderated asking there. So far only one
response, which sides against nospam, at least for my statement above
about "recording the call yourself may also be done".
If you have caselaw to support that, please do share. I can find
ancedotes of people using my interpretation, but have not found anything
definitive. Most of the results I see are swamped with the corporate
side of getting the consent and notification part done legally.
Please feel free to post here or in misc.legal.moderated.
Elijah
------
is not a lawyer, but wants to understand the law
Carlos E.R.
Jan 14, 2021, 8:44:08 AM1/14/21
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--
Cheers, Carlos.
Arlen Holder
Jan 14, 2021, 9:53:36 AM1/14/21
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 22:09:38 +0100, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> But ist is not even legal to record calls for any purpose.
The problem with people like Joerg Lorenz is that facts are anathema to
> But ist is not even legal to record calls for any purpose.
them, e.g., Joerg claims repeatedly the laws on recording voice calls
around the world are the same everywhere, which is yet more proof that
apologists like Joerg Lorenz own the belief systems of small children.
--
There are no amount of facts that will ever affect Joerg's belief system.
Arlen Holder
Jan 14, 2021, 10:04:34 AM1/14/21
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 14:40:30 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Please post here what is the final conclusion :-)
Hi Carlos,
> Please post here what is the final conclusion :-)
The problem here, given the ignorati on this newsgroup abound, as I see it,
is most people (almost all) never cite where their facts came from (if
anywhere other than the ether).
If it was posted in misc.legal.moderated though, it should be archived:
o <https://tinyurl.com/misc-legal-moderated>
o <https://misc.legal.moderated.narkive.com/>
o <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.legal.moderated>
etc.
For example:
o recording a phone call (US, hypothetical), by Eli the Bearded, 1/13/2021
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.legal.moderated/c/98tc7krqdx8>
--
The problem on this newsgroup is most people don't cite where their belief
systems come from, where the default is that they simply made it all up.
Frank Slootweg
Jan 14, 2021, 11:01:58 AM1/14/21
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Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
neccessarily all of Europe) - a private person may always record a phone
call. It's not required to inform the other party.
A business - also a one 'man' business - must inform the other party.
So yes in the scenario you mention, both sides have consented, because
the private person does not need consent and the business has implicit
consent, because the private person did not hang up.
Frank Slootweg
Jan 14, 2021, 11:15:21 AM1/14/21
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Switzerland (non-EU Europe)), but - as Carlos also pointed at - the
Android version of the phone or/and how the app works.
Apparently on Android 8.0 and lower, an app can record a telephone call
directly.
On Android 9.0 and up, that's no longer possible, because Google has
blocked that facility for privacy reasons.
As Carlos mentioned, some apps work around this problem by letting the
microphone record the sound of the speaker.
Information from:
'Recording a telephone call: is it allowed and how to do it?' (in Dutch)
<https://www.kpn.com/beleef/mobiel/telefoongesprek-opnemen.htm>
(N.B. I saw this when I looked for a Dutch reference about the legality
aspect. 'kpn' is the main Dutch telecom provider, i.e. our AT&T.)
AJL
Jan 14, 2021, 11:42:49 AM1/14/21
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On 1/14/2021 9:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote:
>> On 1/13/2021 2:09 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 13.01.21 um 11:26 schrieb NY:
>>
>>>> As I understand it, it is illegal without the consent of *one*
>>>> of the two people in the call.
>>>
>>> Yes. That's correct. But ist is not even legal to record calls
>>> for any purpose. This is also the reason why it is difficult to
>>> find software for this in the app stores whether it may be
>>> Android or Apple.
>>
>> I just put "call recorder" in the Play Store search bar and got 11
>> call recorder app hits on the first page. I'm in the US. Maybe
>> it's your location?
>
> The issue is probably not so much the user's location (Joerg lives
> in Switzerland (non-EU Europe)), but - as Carlos also pointed at -
> the Android version of the phone or/and how the app works.
>
> Apparently on Android 8.0 and lower, an app can record a telephone
> call directly.
>
> On Android 9.0 and up, that's no longer possible, because Google has
> blocked that facility for privacy reasons.
I made the above search on an Android 10 phone.
> AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote:
>> On 1/13/2021 2:09 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 13.01.21 um 11:26 schrieb NY:
>>
>>>> As I understand it, it is illegal without the consent of *one*
>>>> of the two people in the call.
>>>
>>> Yes. That's correct. But ist is not even legal to record calls
>>> for any purpose. This is also the reason why it is difficult to
>>> find software for this in the app stores whether it may be
>>> Android or Apple.
>>
>> I just put "call recorder" in the Play Store search bar and got 11
>> call recorder app hits on the first page. I'm in the US. Maybe
>> it's your location?
>
> The issue is probably not so much the user's location (Joerg lives
> in Switzerland (non-EU Europe)), but - as Carlos also pointed at -
> the Android version of the phone or/and how the app works.
>
> Apparently on Android 8.0 and lower, an app can record a telephone
> call directly.
>
> On Android 9.0 and up, that's no longer possible, because Google has
> blocked that facility for privacy reasons.
I've never tried a call recorder so can't say if they actually work on
my phone or not, but there sure were a lot of recorder apps listed in
the Play Store for me to download. Google seems to know which apps work
on my phone because on many other apps the download button is either
blanked or there's a warning that the app may not work.
So still not sure why Joerg can't see them at all.
Frank Slootweg
Jan 14, 2021, 1:29:40 PM1/14/21
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explained that some apps work around this problem by letting the
microphone record the sound of the speaker. So Google would display such
apps, even if your phone is newer than Android 8.0.
For example one of the apps is listed as Android 4.0 and up, so your
phone would list that one because it's compatible.
> So still not sure why Joerg can't see them at all.
nospam
Jan 14, 2021, 2:26:34 PM1/14/21
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> In comp.mobile.android, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> [ I wrote, about calls after hearing a recording that "This
> call may be recorded..."]:
>
> EtB> In those situations, recording the call yourself may also be done,
> EtB> because now both sides have consented.
>
> [ nospam challenged that without any supporting documentation: ]
> nospam> nope, because they have only consented to *their* recording, not
> yours.
>
> [ Carlos E.R. replied: ]
> Carlos> No, I don't think this is true.
>
> [ nospam again asserts without any supporting documentation: ]
> nospam> it is in the usa.
>
> This is something I'm curious about, and I admit to not really knowing.
> I've posted to misc.legal.moderated asking there. So far only one
> response, which sides against nospam, at least for my statement above
> about "recording the call yourself may also be done".
>
> If you have caselaw to support that, please do share. I can find
> ancedotes of people using my interpretation, but have not found anything
> definitive. Most of the results I see are swamped with the corporate
> side of getting the consent and notification part done legally.
lawyers i know and trust have told me that.
> [ I wrote, about calls after hearing a recording that "This
> call may be recorded..."]:
>
> EtB> In those situations, recording the call yourself may also be done,
> EtB> because now both sides have consented.
>
> [ nospam challenged that without any supporting documentation: ]
> nospam> nope, because they have only consented to *their* recording, not
> yours.
>
> [ Carlos E.R. replied: ]
> Carlos> No, I don't think this is true.
>
> [ nospam again asserts without any supporting documentation: ]
> nospam> it is in the usa.
>
> This is something I'm curious about, and I admit to not really knowing.
> I've posted to misc.legal.moderated asking there. So far only one
> response, which sides against nospam, at least for my statement above
> about "recording the call yourself may also be done".
>
> If you have caselaw to support that, please do share. I can find
> ancedotes of people using my interpretation, but have not found anything
> definitive. Most of the results I see are swamped with the corporate
> side of getting the consent and notification part done legally.
if you want something definitive, talk to a lawyer in your state about
your specific situation.
basically, it boils down to if you get consent and didn't need it, no
big deal. on the other hand, if you don't get consent and did need it,
you're potentially facing felony wiretap charges. one of those is a lot
less fun than the other.
keep in mind that some companies will end the call if you tell them you
are also recording, which further supports the need for their consent
for you to record it.
another factor is state laws vary and you usually do not know in which
state the call center is.
tl;dr get consent first.
Carlos E.R.
Jan 14, 2021, 5:00:07 PM1/14/21
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<https://www.xatakandroid.com/aplicaciones-android/telefono-google-se-prepara-para-grabar-automaticamente-llamadas-desconocidos-codigo-app>
Google phone is prepared to automatically record calls from unknown
people, according to the app code
8 January 2021 Samuel Fernández
Recording calls in Android has been more complicated than usual for some
time, with Google itself bringing in and removing support for this
depending on the version of the system you are in. However, it seems
that the Google Phone app has gotten its act together and now a new
improvement is being prepared for the service.
If Pixel phones already had permission to re-record calls through the
native app, and later this functionality ran to other brands such as
Xiaomi and Nokia, now what Google proposes is automatic call recording.
Automatic? Yes, it is. That we can activate that all calls are recorded
automatically. From whom? From unknown numbers.
Automatic recording and local storage
It may seem as obvious as a temple, but when we know the number calling
us we know who is calling us. We know that it is a more or less trusted
contact and what that call may be about. But when the number is unknown
a thousand and one situations can occur and some of them can be fraudulent.
The next feature of the Google Phone app can help us prevent this,
however, and offer to record every call we receive from an unknown
number. That is, from any phone number that is not in our phonebook.
This way we can have a record of what happened during the call and then
decide whether to delete it or not. A little bit of coverage in case we
suffer from a telephone scam attempt, or simply if we are being harassed.
The functionality has appeared in the app code in one of its last
updates, the one corresponding to Google Phone version 59. It detects
several lines of code ready to be activated in the near future (we
assume that they will not be finally discarded) and that will activate
functions in the options of the app. And those options explicitly talk
about allowing the automatic recording of unknown numbers to store the
audios in the phone.
The functionality will not only record our incoming calls but also warn
that if we are in a territory where notification of the recording is
required for both parties, the app will do so. In each call we will be
able to decide, however, if we want to accept this. Not only we, but
also the caller. If we receive a call and do not accept it, we will
follow the call without recording. If the other person does not accept,
the call will be automatically cancelled.
Via | XDA Developers
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Google Phone app prepares to let you always record calls from numbers
not in your contacts
Almost a year ago, Google started working on bringing call recording
support to the Google Phone app. The feature rolled out to the company’s
Pixel lineup soon thereafter, followed by several Nokia devices and a
couple of Xiaomi phones. Now, Google is working on improving the feature
to help you automatically record calls from unknown numbers.
(...continue reading on the link)
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AJL
Jan 14, 2021, 5:28:53 PM1/14/21
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> [snip]
> In the part you snipped - please don't snip relevant context -,
OK.
> I explained that some apps work around this problem by letting the
> microphone record the sound of the speaker. So Google would display
> such apps, even if your phone is newer than Android 8.0.
Got that before.
> For example one of the apps is listed as Android 4.0 and up, so your
> phone would list that one because it's compatible.
Still not sure why Joerg can't see more recorder apps in the Play Store.
> <firmly sitting on hands>
Try harder not to be like the body part you're sitting on.
> In the part you snipped - please don't snip relevant context -,
> I explained that some apps work around this problem by letting the
> microphone record the sound of the speaker. So Google would display
> such apps, even if your phone is newer than Android 8.0.
> For example one of the apps is listed as Android 4.0 and up, so your
> phone would list that one because it's compatible.
> <firmly sitting on hands>
Try harder not to be like the body part you're sitting on.
Nospam
Jan 16, 2021, 1:13:56 PM1/16/21
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On 12:13 13 Jan 2021, Dee said:
> ZOT <pas...@pasici.us> wrote in news:rtm9v3$dj$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>> hello everybody,
>> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
>> Many thanks
>
> I was looking into this issue not too long ago for a friend who
> was to have a session with a counselor and wanted to record it
> (with the counselor's consent).
>
> Reading reviews on different apps in Google Play Store, I didn't
> feel very confident in any of them, since it seemed a significant
> number of users reported that the apps did not work, or worked
> only on speakerphone, or record quality was poor. I hope others
> here might share their recommendations if they have found one that
> works reliably.
Many of the phone apps in the Play Store are junk with lots of
> ZOT <pas...@pasici.us> wrote in news:rtm9v3$dj$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>> hello everybody,
>> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
>> Many thanks
>
> I was looking into this issue not too long ago for a friend who
> was to have a session with a counselor and wanted to record it
> (with the counselor's consent).
>
> Reading reviews on different apps in Google Play Store, I didn't
> feel very confident in any of them, since it seemed a significant
> number of users reported that the apps did not work, or worked
> only on speakerphone, or record quality was poor. I hope others
> here might share their recommendations if they have found one that
> works reliably.
derivative copies.
I use Cube ACR on Android 10 but it struggles to record the other party
really well.
I'm checking out Boldbeast and it seems to be doing a good job so far.
> However, I did find out that Google Voice has this capability, but
> ONLY for INCOMING calls. So if you have a GV number and you want
> to record an incoming call, you need to first change a setting to
> allow it, then have the other party call you, then press "4" to
> start recording. To stop recording, either press "4" again or hang
> up. Google Voice will then send the recording to your voicemail
> where you can listen to it and download it.
>
> Dee
paul
Jan 17, 2021, 10:55:23 AM1/17/21
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Nospam wrote:
> I use Cube ACR on Android 10 but it struggles to record the other party
> really well.
>
> I'm checking out Boldbeast and it seems to be doing a good job so far.
Those are ok if you like seeing ads.
> I use Cube ACR on Android 10 but it struggles to record the other party
> really well.
>
> I'm checking out Boldbeast and it seems to be doing a good job so far.
These have no ads and no recording limits
https://github.com/riul88/call-recorder-for-android
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.call.recorder/
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.github.axet.callrecorder/
Bob F
Jan 18, 2021, 4:15:31 PM1/18/21
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On 1/13/2021 2:26 AM, NY wrote:
> "Joerg Lorenz" <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote in message
> news:rtme7t$ioj$1...@dont-email.me...
> "Joerg Lorenz" <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote in message
> news:rtme7t$ioj$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Am 13.01.21 um 09:11 schrieb ZOT:
>>> hello everybody,
>>> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
>>> Many thanks
>>
>>> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
>>> Many thanks
>>
>> Did you consider the privacy implications of recording a phone
>> conversation?
>> In Europe it is illegal without consent of the called person.
>
>> conversation?
>> In Europe it is illegal without consent of the called person.
>
> As I understand it, it is illegal without the consent of *one* of the
> two people in the call. This prohibits tapping of calls by someone other
> than the caller/callee, but allows either the caller or callee to record
> for their own records. Courtesy dictates that the person doing the
> recording asks permission, but AIUI there is no legal requirement to do
> this. There are probably restrictions on what can be done with the
> recording (eg not to be broadcast) without permission.
That depends entirely on the laws where you are recording calls.
> than the caller/callee, but allows either the caller or callee to record
> for their own records. Courtesy dictates that the person doing the
> recording asks permission, but AIUI there is no legal requirement to do
> this. There are probably restrictions on what can be done with the
> recording (eg not to be broadcast) without permission.
Nospam
Jan 19, 2021, 5:04:04 AM1/19/21
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2015 and won't take into account record blocking in Android 10 and 11.
Boldbeast is on the Play Store but ISTR has a special APK available
from its site. The free version has no ads but slightly reduced
function such as no automatic start of recordings. It has an active
forum.
https://www.boldbeast.com/forum/forum1-boldbeast-call-recorder.html
paul
Jan 19, 2021, 9:58:38 AM1/19/21
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Nospam wrote:
> Thanks for those links. The APKs haven't been updated since 2019 or
> 2015 and won't take into account record blocking in Android 10 and 11.
"Android does not support real two call recording anymore."
> Thanks for those links. The APKs haven't been updated since 2019 or
> 2015 and won't take into account record blocking in Android 10 and 11.
https://nllapps.com/apps/acr/android9.htm
But that "only applies to the Google Play store"
https://nllapps.com/apps/acr/google-denies-phone-number-accesss.htm
Outside of Google Play apps don't follow Google rules
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2019/01/reminder-smscall-log-policy-changes.html
https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9888170
https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/10208820?visit_id=637466643697294615-351489731&rd=1
What about acr unchained from https://nllapps.com/apps/acr/
https://www.apkmirror.com/?post_type=app_release&searchtype=apk&s=acr+unchained&lang=GB
> Boldbeast is on the Play Store but ISTR has a special APK available
> from its site.
https://beebom.com/workarounds-android-pie-call-recording-limitation/
But what is istr? I can't find it.
https://www.istr.org/default.aspx
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ie.flipdish.fd6690&hl=en_US&gl=GB
> The free version has no ads but slightly reduced
> function such as no automatic start of recordings.
> It has an active forum.
> https://www.boldbeast.com/forum/forum1-boldbeast-call-recorder.html
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.boldbeast.recorder&hl=en_US&gl=GB
s|b
Jan 19, 2021, 11:39:02 AM1/19/21
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 09:11:15 +0100, ZOT wrote:
> hello everybody,
> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
> Many thanks
Not anymore AFAIK. It used to work*, but Google broke it (on purpose).
> hello everybody,
> Is there a way to record a conversation on telephone.
> Many thanks
Last thing I read was that they were maybe thinking of implementing it
in the Android OS, so no app would be needed, but so far, that hasn't
happened.
* I actually used to record phone calls on one of my old smartphones.
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s|b
Eli the Bearded
Jan 20, 2021, 4:16:05 PM1/20/21
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In comp.mobile.android, Carlos E.R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 14/01/2021 03.12, Eli the Bearded wrote:
>> This is something I'm curious about, and I admit to not really knowing.
>> I've posted to misc.legal.moderated asking there. So far only one
>> response, which sides against nospam, at least for my statement above
>> about "recording the call yourself may also be done".
> On 14/01/2021 03.12, Eli the Bearded wrote:
>> This is something I'm curious about, and I admit to not really knowing.
>> I've posted to misc.legal.moderated asking there. So far only one
>> response, which sides against nospam, at least for my statement above
>> about "recording the call yourself may also be done".
> Please post here what is the final conclusion :-)
Responses have tapered off, but I've not found any of them
super-conclusive. Last response I saw was from Sunday the 17th, and
gets to heart of what I consider natural about my statement about
recording calls (removing the parts where RG quotes me):
From: R G B0N0M1 <rgb...@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: misc.legal.moderated
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 20:17:39 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <7ed0edb0-5e6a-4981...@googlegroups.com>
The law regarding restricting the recording of telephone conversations
is based on the concept that there is an 'expectation of privacy' in the
call. (this is the same reasoning that makes listening in on cell-phone
frequencies illegal) A notice by one party the call to others, that
that party 'may' record the call means that any speaker for that party
has no 'expectation of privacy' -- they have (or should have!!) 'actual
knowledge' that the call may be recorded on their end. There is no
provision in law to 'selectively' allow recording of a call -- e.g. to
permit some parties to record it while refusing permission to others.
So, if the called party has been given notice (by their employer) that
the call 'may' be recorded, the calling party can act based on the fact
the the called party has been so notified.
Note: if there is an auto-attendant announcement about recording
_before_ a person comes on the line, and that person has _not_ been told
(somewhere, somehow -- e.g., part of a 'job description') hat their
company records calls, then the company is in violation of the law,
themselves -- they notified the remote party, but not the local party.
In particular this sentence: "There is no provision in law to
'selectively' allow recording of a call -- e.g. to permit some parties
to record it while refusing permission to others." That distills my
impression of the law, but I'm not a lawyer. I don't know if RG is
either.
As I said, nothing seriously conclusive. If you take free legal advice
from non-lawyers you read on the internet, you might be sorry.
Elijah
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hasn't recorded a phone call since the 1980s
Eric Pozharski
Jan 21, 2021, 5:34:00 AM1/21/21
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with <eli$21012...@qaz.wtf> Eli the Bearded wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, Carlos E.R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 14/01/2021 03.12, Eli the Bearded wrote:
>>> This is something I'm curious about, and I admit to not really
>>> knowing. I've posted to misc.legal.moderated asking there. So far
>>> only one response, which sides against nospam, at least for my
>>> statement above about "recording the call yourself may also be
>>> done".
>> Please post here what is the final conclusion :-)
*SKIP*
> In comp.mobile.android, Carlos E.R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 14/01/2021 03.12, Eli the Bearded wrote:
>>> This is something I'm curious about, and I admit to not really
>>> knowing. I've posted to misc.legal.moderated asking there. So far
>>> only one response, which sides against nospam, at least for my
>>> statement above about "recording the call yourself may also be
>>> done".
>> Please post here what is the final conclusion :-)
> From: R G B0N0M1 <rgb...@gmail.com>
*SKIP*
> The law regarding restricting the recording of telephone
> conversations is based on the concept that there is an
> 'expectation of privacy' in the call. (this is the same reasoning
> that makes listening in on cell-phone frequencies illegal) A
> notice by one party the call to others, that that party 'may'
> record the call means that any speaker for that party has no
> 'expectation of privacy' -- they have (or should have!!) 'actual
> knowledge' that the call may be recorded on their end.
Thank you for providing this perspective. Thus, what we have here are:
> conversations is based on the concept that there is an
> 'expectation of privacy' in the call. (this is the same reasoning
> that makes listening in on cell-phone frequencies illegal) A
> notice by one party the call to others, that that party 'may'
> record the call means that any speaker for that party has no
> 'expectation of privacy' -- they have (or should have!!) 'actual
> knowledge' that the call may be recorded on their end.
caller and callee (with exceptions of expactations, mutual), vendor of
hardware (what (or who(?)) is actual *owner* of hardware, I haven't
heard it has changed in last decade), and vendor of software (deep
pockets, loves to sneak around, works with VoH more or less directly,
more or less exclusively). And then, out of the blue, (as they say)
trove of recordings is circulating.
IANAL myself, but it would be interesting to observe (from afar) how it
would develop in court.
*CUT*
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alexstar
Jun 22, 2023, 5:31:14 AM6/22/23
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Joerg Lorenz
Jun 24, 2023, 1:04:22 AM6/24/23
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Am 22.06.23 um 11:30 schrieb alexstar:
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