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tb
Feb 11, 2019, 7:11:59 PM2/11/19
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I have an ASUS ZenFone Max Plus M1 with Android 8.1
I am unable to open MMS messages that people send me. (SMS messages
work fine!) I use the Messages app v. 3.9.039 that came with the phone.
I think this is due to the fact that my cell phone plan does not have a
data plan; it only has voice and text plans. The Wi-Fi connection is
turned on but that does not help in opening MMS messages.
Is there another messaging app that I can install such that I will be
able to open MMS messages over a Wi-Fi connection?
Thanks.
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tb
I am unable to open MMS messages that people send me. (SMS messages
work fine!) I use the Messages app v. 3.9.039 that came with the phone.
I think this is due to the fact that my cell phone plan does not have a
data plan; it only has voice and text plans. The Wi-Fi connection is
turned on but that does not help in opening MMS messages.
Is there another messaging app that I can install such that I will be
able to open MMS messages over a Wi-Fi connection?
Thanks.
--
tb
Carlos E. R.
Feb 11, 2019, 7:30:41 PM2/11/19
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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
nospam
Feb 11, 2019, 7:40:57 PM2/11/19
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In article <xn0lq2h6...@reader.albasani.net>, tb
getting mms.
> Is there another messaging app that I can install such that I will be
> able to open MMS messages over a Wi-Fi connection?
there are numerous messaging apps, including facebook messenger,
whatsapp, signal and many others. both ends need to use the same app.
<nos...@example.invalid> wrote:
> I have an ASUS ZenFone Max Plus M1 with Android 8.1
>
> I am unable to open MMS messages that people send me. (SMS messages
> work fine!) I use the Messages app v. 3.9.039 that came with the phone.
>
> I think this is due to the fact that my cell phone plan does not have a
> data plan; it only has voice and text plans. The Wi-Fi connection is
> turned on but that does not help in opening MMS messages.
mms uses a data connection, so without a data plan, you won't be
> I have an ASUS ZenFone Max Plus M1 with Android 8.1
>
> I am unable to open MMS messages that people send me. (SMS messages
> work fine!) I use the Messages app v. 3.9.039 that came with the phone.
>
> I think this is due to the fact that my cell phone plan does not have a
> data plan; it only has voice and text plans. The Wi-Fi connection is
> turned on but that does not help in opening MMS messages.
getting mms.
> Is there another messaging app that I can install such that I will be
> able to open MMS messages over a Wi-Fi connection?
whatsapp, signal and many others. both ends need to use the same app.
VanguardLH
Feb 11, 2019, 8:13:15 PM2/11/19
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other media content you don't care about (they're excited, so everyone
just must be, too), many phones have an option to disable MMS. Many
users just want to text (and many don't even want that, just calls) and
not waste their cellular bandwidth retrieving oversized content they
don't want or is trivial or a tome of text. In their view, if you want
to send pics and movies to them, you send them a URL to where you stored
them online. They only want short 160-character messages, not a
3000-character treatise on "War and Peace".
https://www.google.com/search?q=android+disable+mms
and, for example:
https://blog.lookout.com/how-to-disable-auto-fetching-of-mms-messages-on-a-devices-default-sms-app
and (which may not exactly match your Asus phone):
https://www.helpforsmartphone.com/public/en/asus/zenfone-4/android-4-3/guides/27/Set-up-MMS-Asus-ZenFone-4
From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service#Technical_description
I don't see an Internet connection (wifi or cellular data) is
specifically mentioned for MMS. However, "Once the recipient's MMSC has
received a message, it first determines whether the receiver's handset
is "MMS capable", that it supports the standards for receiving MMS. If
so, the content is extracted and sent to a temporary storage server with
an HTTP front-end. An SMS "control message" containing the URL of the
content is then sent to the recipient's handset to trigger the
receiver's WAP browser to open and receive the content from the embedded
URL." Well, mentioning HTTP sure makes it sound like you need an
Internet connection to do MMS, and the next article hints Internet
access is also required for MMS:
https://theunlockr.com/how-to-setup-your-internet-mms-settings-on-an-android-phone/
The APN settings are for Internet access, so requiring correct APN
settings (that you may have to enter manually, especially for an
unlocked phone) means Internet is required for MMS. Apparently the APN
settings can affect if you can do MMS, but you have no data service.
You should be able to do MMS over a wifi connection to the Internet;
however, APNs specify where to get the MMS content from your cellular
provider, so maybe your cellular plan doesn't include MMS support. For
example:
https://apn.gishan.net/en/apn/pure-talk/asus-zenfone-max-plus-m1
Call your cellular provider to determine how to configure your phone to
use MMS through their service. Or do an online search on "MMS settings
<yourCellularCarrier>" to see if you can find those settings online. If
your cellular provider doesn't include MMS in the service tier which you
pay, none of the above is going to get MMS working to you.
arlen holder
Feb 11, 2019, 8:22:28 PM2/11/19
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 01:30:39 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> I believe this is a question for your service provider to answer.
There's (almost) always a clever way to do everything you want to do, for
> I believe this is a question for your service provider to answer.
free... it usually takes intelligence (and effort)...
But not always...
Hence, I took a stab at googling where it seems to be a common question...
where the common answer is exactly as Carlos & nospam stated already.
If you have data, you can set up the APN type to _just_ use the data
you have _only_ for MMS and not for Internet - but if you don't have data,
then that won't work.
However, there _may_ be a clever way to do what the OP wants using
GoogleVoice+Hangouts on WiFi. Dunno if it will work because I gave my
SIM-carded iPads to others to use and now I only use the WiFi iPad (but
barely since it was only good for YouTube and now it doesn't even do that
because of ads that the YouTube iOS app can't block).
In the past couple of years, on the SIM-carded iPads, I've been able to get
POTS/SMS to work on my iPads, some of which only have the free T-Mobile
200MB/month SIM card (but I haven't tested MMS) using HO/GV.
<https://support.t-mobile.com/thread/128032>
DRAT. This says Google Voice doesn't support MMS, so that's not gonna work
unless things changed since January 2, 2019...
How to Send and Receive Text Messages Without a Phone Plan or SIM Card
<https://thedroidguy.com/2019/01/send-receive-text-messages-without-phone-plan-sim-card-1063532>
Here are some references that back up what Carlos & nospam said.
How to get MMS picture messaging working on a T-mobile G1 without the data plan
<http://hydtechblog.com/2009/02/06/how-to-get-mms-picture-messaging-working-on-a-t-mobile-g1-without-the-data-plan/>
o Android - MMS Without Data (2011)
<https://www.kirsle.net/android-mms-without-data>
Basically, they _enable_ data _only_ for MMS, so this assumes a
data plan is in effect.
This one assumes data also, where you change the APN type
from "Internet+MMS" to just "MMS" to ensure only data works.
<https://androidforums.com/threads/how-do-i-get-mms-without-a-data-plan-vm-canada.481788/>
How to enable only MMS (without paying for mobile data connection)
<https://forums.windowscentral.com/windows-phone-8-how-guides/291900-how-enable-only-mms-without-paying-mobile-data-connection.html>
How to send Pic SMS without Data Plan T-mobile
<https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=677211>
Why do I need Cellular Data turned on to send/receive MMS?
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4338986>
Carlos E. R.
Feb 11, 2019, 8:54:49 PM2/11/19
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On 12/02/2019 02.22, arlen holder wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 01:30:39 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> I believe this is a question for your service provider to answer.
>
> There's (almost) always a clever way to do everything you want to do, for
> free... it usually takes intelligence (and effort)...
>
> But not always...
>
> Hence, I took a stab at googling where it seems to be a common question...
> where the common answer is exactly as Carlos & nospam stated already.
>
> If you have data, you can set up the APN type to _just_ use the data
> you have _only_ for MMS and not for Internet - but if you don't have data,
> then that won't work.
Ages ago we could get MMS before Internet was invented on phones and
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 01:30:39 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> I believe this is a question for your service provider to answer.
>
> There's (almost) always a clever way to do everything you want to do, for
> free... it usually takes intelligence (and effort)...
>
> But not always...
>
> Hence, I took a stab at googling where it seems to be a common question...
> where the common answer is exactly as Carlos & nospam stated already.
>
> If you have data, you can set up the APN type to _just_ use the data
> you have _only_ for MMS and not for Internet - but if you don't have data,
> then that won't work.
nobody had data. However, that doesn't mean that it can be done today.
The old hands at the provider would know. Flower pots, no.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
arlen holder
Feb 11, 2019, 9:23:04 PM2/11/19
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 02:54:45 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Ages ago we could get MMS before Internet was invented on phones and
> nobody had data. However, that doesn't mean that it can be done today.
> The old hands at the provider would know. Flower pots, no.
Hi Carlos,
> Ages ago we could get MMS before Internet was invented on phones and
> nobody had data. However, that doesn't mean that it can be done today.
> The old hands at the provider would know. Flower pots, no.
Thanks for that historical.
I don't disagree with anything you've said in this thread.
You speak reasonably fact & logic.
My general experience has been that everything we _want_ to do, we can
usually find a clever way to do it, for free ... but ... enough people have
to want to do it.
In the USA, as you're well aware, data plans are ubiquitous, so, there's
less and less and less and less and less (etc) of a need for a clever way
to do it.
If I cared enough, I'd try harder than just the search & read that I did
above for the OP, but since even my iPads have free data plans, I won't be
doing that effort.
Still ... I _suspect_ (but don't know for sure) that there should be a
clever way, to freely send/receive MMS on WiFi only (without resorting to
WhatsApp-style proprietary solutions).
I just haven't researched it well enough to find that clever trick.
For now, the answer to the OP appears to be pretty firmly thus:
Q: How can I use MMS on WiFi without a data plan?
A: You can't (ask the cellular provider to confirm, as Carlos suggested)
nospam
Feb 11, 2019, 9:26:17 PM2/11/19
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In article <gcenb6...@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R.
character text messages. note that does not mean a separate data plan.
<https://www.nowsms.com/faq/how-mms-works>
When a mobile phone receives an MMS message, what it is actually
receiving is an MMS notification message which it receives over SMS
(WAP Push). This MMS notification message contains header information
about the MMS message, and a URL pointer that the recipient must
fetch in order to retrieve the content of the MMS message.
...
€ The recipient receives the MMS notification message. It then
initiates a data connection that provides TCP/IP network connectivity
(usually over GPRS).
€ The recipient phone performs an HTTP (or WSP) get to retrieve the
MMS message content URL from the MMSC.
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
> Ages ago we could get MMS before Internet was invented on phones and
> nobody had data.
mms requires a data connection because jpegs won't fit into 160
>
> Ages ago we could get MMS before Internet was invented on phones and
> nobody had data.
character text messages. note that does not mean a separate data plan.
<https://www.nowsms.com/faq/how-mms-works>
When a mobile phone receives an MMS message, what it is actually
receiving is an MMS notification message which it receives over SMS
(WAP Push). This MMS notification message contains header information
about the MMS message, and a URL pointer that the recipient must
fetch in order to retrieve the content of the MMS message.
...
€ The recipient receives the MMS notification message. It then
initiates a data connection that provides TCP/IP network connectivity
(usually over GPRS).
€ The recipient phone performs an HTTP (or WSP) get to retrieve the
MMS message content URL from the MMSC.
arlen holder
Feb 11, 2019, 9:27:28 PM2/11/19
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 19:13:14 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
> Because lots of user puke out pic and movies of their pets
I used to dislike MMS but then I learned it's easier to send a picture of a
> Because lots of user puke out pic and movies of their pets
set of colorful dresses to my wife to ask which the grandkids would prefer.
Women always seem to have more names for colors than just my
male-oriented RoyGBiv, where MMS comes to the rescue every time!
arlen holder
Feb 11, 2019, 10:04:59 PM2/11/19
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 21:26:16 -0500, nospam wrote:
> € The recipient phone performs an HTTP (or WSP) get to retrieve the
> MMS message content URL from the MMSC.
Hmmmmm....
> € The recipient phone performs an HTTP (or WSP) get to retrieve the
> MMS message content URL from the MMSC.
After reading that T-Mobile seems to _allow_ what the OP wants...
o Why did my MMS test below with data definitely turned _off_ actually work?
I just tried sending a grandkid an MMS with the data turned off on T-Mobile as per this support request...
o MMS not downloading over WiFi
<https://support.t-mobile.com/thread/148675>
They received the MMS picture!
o The Data is definitely turned off
o The WiFi is definitely turned on (and connected)
o The plan is a typical USA T-Mobile plan (free unlim US calls + 2.5GB/4GB data)
arlen holder
Feb 11, 2019, 10:05:00 PM2/11/19
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 00:11:59 +0000 (UTC), tb wrote:
> Is there another messaging app that I can install such that I will be
> able to open MMS messages over a Wi-Fi connection?
It's not a problem I'm going to spend a lot of time trying to solve, but I
> Is there another messaging app that I can install such that I will be
> able to open MMS messages over a Wi-Fi connection?
generally consider a free solution to anything almost always possible,
where, maybe, just maybe, MMS over WiFi can come to the rescue.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mms+over+wifi&t=ironbrowser>
While I believe a clever free solution can almost always be found, I will
not try these methods (as I don't need MMS over WiFi), but the OP might
want to try one or two to see if they work.
o How to Send and Receive MMS over WiFi
<https://www.theandroidsoul.com/send-receive-mms-wifi/>
"It┬ possible to send and receive MMS over WiFi on Android
if your carrier supports it. However, in case your carrier
doesn┤ support that, you can still do MMS over WiFi."
That article recommends Textra SMS (which I did _not_ test for the OP):
o <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.textra>
NOTE: I did not test if this is proprietary SMS/MMS or not.
It also recommends Go SMS Pro
o <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jb.gosms>
Let us know if they work for you.
Meanwhile, see my test of MMS with data turned off in a separate post to
nospam, where, on T-Mobile, my MMS picture worked just fine with data
definitely turned off (I was on WiFi only).
nospam
Feb 11, 2019, 10:08:59 PM2/11/19
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In article <q3td4p$7g0$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
<ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
>
> > € The recipient phone performs an HTTP (or WSP) get to retrieve the
> > MMS message content URL from the MMSC.
>
> Hmmmmm....
>
> After reading that T-Mobile seems to _allow_ what the OP wants...
> o Why did my MMS test below with data definitely turned _off_ actually work?
mms uses data behind the scenes, separate from a data plan.
>
> > € The recipient phone performs an HTTP (or WSP) get to retrieve the
> > MMS message content URL from the MMSC.
>
> Hmmmmm....
>
> After reading that T-Mobile seems to _allow_ what the OP wants...
> o Why did my MMS test below with data definitely turned _off_ actually work?
arlen holder
Feb 11, 2019, 11:57:34 PM2/11/19
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 22:08:58 -0500, nospam wrote:
> mms uses data behind the scenes, separate from a data plan.
Thanks nospam,
> mms uses data behind the scenes, separate from a data plan.
The good news is that it WORKS if the carrier allows it, apparently.
For the OP, here's my test, just now, which worked fine on _all_ my SMS
apps (so the actual SMS app didn't matter).
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6869787forwardsms_01.jpg>
Here are my particulars:
o It doesn't seem to matter what SMS app I use
o I'm on T-Mobile (with unlim calls & free data)
o I definitely turned off data
o I was definitely on WiFi
Under _those_ conditions, I was able to easily send MMS.
It "seemed" to take a couple seconds longer ... but that's about it.
I checked a few phones and a few SMS apps, and it worked the same.
arlen holder
Feb 12, 2019, 12:35:38 AM2/12/19
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 03:05:00 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:
> Meanwhile, see my test of MMS with data turned off in a separate post to
> nospam, where, on T-Mobile, my MMS picture worked just fine with data
> definitely turned off (I was on WiFi only).
I tried the aforementioned "Go SMS Pro" but it was trialware so I deleted it.
> Meanwhile, see my test of MMS with data turned off in a separate post to
> nospam, where, on T-Mobile, my MMS picture worked just fine with data
> definitely turned off (I was on WiFi only).
Here is a screenshot of a test I ran of MMS over WiFi with DATA turned OFF.
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6869787forwardsms_01.jpg>
That's Textra SMS, but Pulse SMS and QK SMS also worked so the ability to
send MMS over WiFi (with DATA turned OFF) is not dependent on the app, but,
as Carlos said, on the carrier.
T-Mobile doesn't seem to have any problem with sending MMS over WiFi.
It's transparent, in fact as in "it just works".
The one thing I can't tell you is whether it would have worked if T-Mobile
didn't give me a "data plan" for free.
Would it?
arlen holder
Feb 12, 2019, 12:39:09 AM2/12/19
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 19:40:56 -0500, nospam wrote:
> mms uses a data connection, so without a data plan, you won't be
> getting mms.
Hi nospam,
> mms uses a data connection, so without a data plan, you won't be
> getting mms.
I have a typical USA T-mobile unlimited calls and "free" data plan.
o I turned off DATA & connected to WiFi & MMS still worked as you know
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6869787forwardsms_01.jpg>
Would _that_ MMS over WiFi have worked if I did _not_ have the data plan?
Carlos E. R.
Feb 12, 2019, 3:52:46 PM2/12/19
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On 12/02/2019 03.26, nospam wrote:
> In article <gcenb6...@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R.
> <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ages ago we could get MMS before Internet was invented on phones and
>> nobody had data.
>
> mms requires a data connection because jpegs won't fit into 160
> character text messages. note that does not mean a separate data plan.
That is now. A decade ago I had no data plan (nor a data capable phone)
> In article <gcenb6...@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R.
> <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ages ago we could get MMS before Internet was invented on phones and
>> nobody had data.
>
> mms requires a data connection because jpegs won't fit into 160
> character text messages. note that does not mean a separate data plan.
and I could receive MMS with images. They were expensive to send here,
and did not work on all provinces.
That phone no longer works, AFAIR, so I can't check the settings.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
Carlos E. R.
Feb 12, 2019, 3:55:10 PM2/12/19
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got an MMS the other day. If not, I may try to send one to it.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
nospam
Feb 12, 2019, 4:15:43 PM2/12/19
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In article <gcgq0s...@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R.
note that using data doesn't necessarily mean a separate data plan.
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> Ages ago we could get MMS before Internet was invented on phones and
> >> nobody had data.
> >
> > mms requires a data connection because jpegs won't fit into 160
> > character text messages. note that does not mean a separate data plan.
>
> That is now. A decade ago I had no data plan (nor a data capable phone)
> and I could receive MMS with images.They were expensive to send here,
> >> Ages ago we could get MMS before Internet was invented on phones and
> >> nobody had data.
> >
> > mms requires a data connection because jpegs won't fit into 160
> > character text messages. note that does not mean a separate data plan.
>
> That is now. A decade ago I had no data plan (nor a data capable phone)
> and did not work on all provinces.
it's always been the case for mms. read the spec.
note that using data doesn't necessarily mean a separate data plan.
arlen holder
Feb 12, 2019, 4:19:50 PM2/12/19
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 21:55:08 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Now that I remember, I have another phone with no data plan, I think I
> got an MMS the other day. If not, I may try to send one to it.
I don't understand why everyone seems to say you _need_ a data plan to send
> Now that I remember, I have another phone with no data plan, I think I
> got an MMS the other day. If not, I may try to send one to it.
or receive MMS since, I clearly turned off data, and, while on WIFi, I was
able to send MMS pictures for sure.
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6869787forwardsms_01.jpg>
It _may_ be that people are wrong, or, it may be that you need a data
"plan", but not necessarily "cellular data".
Dunno as I don't have any phones sans a "data plan" to test.
Clearly MMS easily works without cellular data, but does MMS work without a
cellular data plan?
David Higton
Feb 12, 2019, 5:32:08 PM2/12/19
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In message <q3vd9b$lph$1...@news.mixmin.net>
It has been my understanding (right or wrong) that MMS existed before
data plans.
However, in the UK at least, MMS are very expensive to send, and
pretty much always chargeable, so they are very little used these
days, since most people have data plans and use apps that can send
media via their data plan or wifi (using something other than their
data plan), in both cases normally with a zero marginal cost.
Dave
data plans.
However, in the UK at least, MMS are very expensive to send, and
pretty much always chargeable, so they are very little used these
days, since most people have data plans and use apps that can send
media via their data plan or wifi (using something other than their
data plan), in both cases normally with a zero marginal cost.
Dave
Carlos E. R.
Feb 12, 2019, 5:45:05 PM2/12/19
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On 12/02/2019 23.31, David Higton wrote:
>
> It has been my understanding (right or wrong) that MMS existed before
> data plans.
>
> However, in the UK at least, MMS are very expensive to send, and
> pretty much always chargeable, so they are very little used these
> days, since most people have data plans and use apps that can send
> media via their data plan or wifi (using something other than their
> data plan), in both cases normally with a zero marginal cost.
Yes, same thing in Spain.
>
> It has been my understanding (right or wrong) that MMS existed before
> data plans.
>
> However, in the UK at least, MMS are very expensive to send, and
> pretty much always chargeable, so they are very little used these
> days, since most people have data plans and use apps that can send
> media via their data plan or wifi (using something other than their
> data plan), in both cases normally with a zero marginal cost.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
arlen holder
Feb 12, 2019, 6:12:02 PM2/12/19
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 23:45:04 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Yes, same thing in Spain.
Thanks David & Carlos.
> Yes, same thing in Spain.
I guess this is the summary, where, it's noted that in the USA, everyone
(essentially) has a plan that contains unlimited free US phone calls and
unlimited free text & MMS (most people anyway) so the lack of a "data plan"
isn't common.
Despite what some people seem to say, _everyone_ I've ever known in the USA
uses the basic SMS/MMS app that comes with the phone.
In summary, it seems...
1. MMS is independent of a "data plan"
Which means:
2. When on cellular, MMS "uses your data plan", but,
3. When on WiFI, MMS uses your Internet connection.
nospam
Feb 12, 2019, 6:42:14 PM2/12/19
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In article <q3vjs1$1iv$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
whatsapp, facebook messenger, imessage and several others have largely
replaced legacy sms because they offer a lot more functionality and at
a lower cost (i.e., free).
<ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
> Despite what some people seem to say, _everyone_ I've ever known in the USA
> uses the basic SMS/MMS app that comes with the phone.
not anymore, they don't.
> Despite what some people seem to say, _everyone_ I've ever known in the USA
> uses the basic SMS/MMS app that comes with the phone.
whatsapp, facebook messenger, imessage and several others have largely
replaced legacy sms because they offer a lot more functionality and at
a lower cost (i.e., free).
nospam
Feb 12, 2019, 6:42:15 PM2/12/19
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In article <761362855...@my.inbox.com>, David Higton
> However, in the UK at least, MMS are very expensive to send, and
> pretty much always chargeable, so they are very little used these
> days, since most people have data plans and use apps that can send
> media via their data plan or wifi (using something other than their
> data plan), in both cases normally with a zero marginal cost.
yep.
<da...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> It has been my understanding (right or wrong) that MMS existed before
> data plans.
it did.
> It has been my understanding (right or wrong) that MMS existed before
> data plans.
> However, in the UK at least, MMS are very expensive to send, and
> pretty much always chargeable, so they are very little used these
> days, since most people have data plans and use apps that can send
> media via their data plan or wifi (using something other than their
> data plan), in both cases normally with a zero marginal cost.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 12, 2019, 10:12:07 PM2/12/19
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other apps.
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Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 12, 2019, 10:20:06 PM2/12/19
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plan, and with mobile data disabled, yet it does receive mms. That is,
SMS type messages with photos (with the SMS default application,
absolutely certain). Provider is Orange.
I will not try to send an MMS because that costs money here, and not a
trivial amount (an SMS is 0.25€, it says, which I find difficult to
believe, but could be without a package).
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Cheers, Carlos.
nospam
Feb 12, 2019, 10:24:58 PM2/12/19
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In article <3cecjf-...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/350461/mobile-messenger-app-usage-u
sa/>
<https://www.comscore.com/var/comscore/storage/images/media/images/globa
l-instant-messaging/2333174-1-eng-US/global-instant-messaging.jpg>
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> Despite what some people seem to say, _everyone_ I've ever known in the USA
> >> uses the basic SMS/MMS app that comes with the phone.
> >
> > not anymore, they don't.
> >
> > whatsapp, facebook messenger, imessage and several others have largely
> > replaced legacy sms because they offer a lot more functionality and at
> > a lower cost (i.e., free).
>
> I have friends your side of the Atlantic that use mms and are unaware of
> other apps.
i said largely replaced, not completely replaced.
> >> Despite what some people seem to say, _everyone_ I've ever known in the USA
> >> uses the basic SMS/MMS app that comes with the phone.
> >
> > not anymore, they don't.
> >
> > whatsapp, facebook messenger, imessage and several others have largely
> > replaced legacy sms because they offer a lot more functionality and at
> > a lower cost (i.e., free).
>
> I have friends your side of the Atlantic that use mms and are unaware of
> other apps.
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/350461/mobile-messenger-app-usage-u
sa/>
<https://www.comscore.com/var/comscore/storage/images/media/images/globa
l-instant-messaging/2333174-1-eng-US/global-instant-messaging.jpg>
nospam
Feb 12, 2019, 10:24:59 PM2/12/19
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In article <stecjf-...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
phone receives an mms, it pulls the photos via a data link. read the
spec.
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> I can confirm it. I have a smartphone (Motorola X play) without data
> plan, and with mobile data disabled, yet it does receive mms. That is,
> SMS type messages with photos (with the SMS default application,
> absolutely certain). Provider is Orange.
disabling data on the phone doesn't disable it at the carrier. when the
> I can confirm it. I have a smartphone (Motorola X play) without data
> plan, and with mobile data disabled, yet it does receive mms. That is,
> SMS type messages with photos (with the SMS default application,
> absolutely certain). Provider is Orange.
phone receives an mms, it pulls the photos via a data link. read the
spec.
Piet
Feb 13, 2019, 4:40:23 AM2/13/19
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
largest provider in Holland has phased out mms and other providers
have done or will do so too.
-p
> David Higton wrote:
>> However, in the UK at least, MMS are very expensive to send, and
>> pretty much always chargeable, so they are very little used these
>> days, since most people have data plans and use apps that can send
>> media via their data plan or wifi (using something other than their
>> data plan), in both cases normally with a zero marginal cost.
>
> Yes, same thing in Spain.
And that "use apps that can send media" is the very reason why the
>> However, in the UK at least, MMS are very expensive to send, and
>> pretty much always chargeable, so they are very little used these
>> days, since most people have data plans and use apps that can send
>> media via their data plan or wifi (using something other than their
>> data plan), in both cases normally with a zero marginal cost.
>
> Yes, same thing in Spain.
largest provider in Holland has phased out mms and other providers
have done or will do so too.
-p
Carlos E.R.
Feb 13, 2019, 2:28:06 PM2/13/19
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avoiding that.
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Cheers, Carlos.
nospam
Feb 13, 2019, 2:35:34 PM2/13/19
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In article <8k7ejf-...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> I have no data and there is no
> avoiding that.
no. what you have is no data *plan*. the phone can still use data if it
needs to and the carrier will bill it differently, in this case, billed
as an mms message.
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> I can confirm it. I have a smartphone (Motorola X play) without data
> >> plan, and with mobile data disabled, yet it does receive mms. That is,
> >> SMS type messages with photos (with the SMS default application,
> >> absolutely certain). Provider is Orange.
> >
> > disabling data on the phone doesn't disable it at the carrier. when the
> > phone receives an mms, it pulls the photos via a data link. read the
> > spec.
>
> I don't care about the specs you provide.
mms cares, because that's how it works.
> >> I can confirm it. I have a smartphone (Motorola X play) without data
> >> plan, and with mobile data disabled, yet it does receive mms. That is,
> >> SMS type messages with photos (with the SMS default application,
> >> absolutely certain). Provider is Orange.
> >
> > disabling data on the phone doesn't disable it at the carrier. when the
> > phone receives an mms, it pulls the photos via a data link. read the
> > spec.
>
> I don't care about the specs you provide.
> I have no data and there is no
> avoiding that.
needs to and the carrier will bill it differently, in this case, billed
as an mms message.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 13, 2019, 3:00:07 PM2/13/19
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get charged an euro per day, and I would see it fast.
Setup cog wheel: first line has a warning in bold: mobile data disabled.
Total data used : zero.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
nospam
Feb 13, 2019, 3:45:40 PM2/13/19
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In article <sh9ejf-...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
it's using data *for* *mms* and billed *as* *mms*.
where you're confused is thinking that it is a separate data plan
transaction. it's not. it's entirely an mms transaction, with the
required data usage being invisible to the end user, therefore not
billed separately.
you can disable data all you want, and that will prevent apps and other
things from working, but for mms, the phone is going to use data when
it pulls an mms from the server. there is no other way for it to get an
mms.
> Setup cog wheel: first line has a warning in bold: mobile data disabled.
>
> Total data used : zero.
that's for your data plan, not mms.
but keep on believing what you want. if carlos says the spec is wrong,
then the spec must be wrong.
what other specs are wrong?
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> I can confirm it. I have a smartphone (Motorola X play) without data
> >>>> plan, and with mobile data disabled, yet it does receive mms. That is,
> >>>> SMS type messages with photos (with the SMS default application,
> >>>> absolutely certain). Provider is Orange.
> >>>
> >>> disabling data on the phone doesn't disable it at the carrier. when the
> >>> phone receives an mms, it pulls the photos via a data link. read the
> >>> spec.
> >>
> >> I don't care about the specs you provide.
> >
> > mms cares, because that's how it works.
> >
> >> I have no data and there is no
> >> avoiding that.
> >
> > no. what you have is no data *plan*. the phone can still use data if it
> > needs to and the carrier will bill it differently, in this case, billed
> > as an mms message.
>
> No, it doesn't. Data is disabled in the configuration. If it uses data I
> get charged an euro per day, and I would see it fast.
it is not using data in the way you think it is.
> >>>> I can confirm it. I have a smartphone (Motorola X play) without data
> >>>> plan, and with mobile data disabled, yet it does receive mms. That is,
> >>>> SMS type messages with photos (with the SMS default application,
> >>>> absolutely certain). Provider is Orange.
> >>>
> >>> disabling data on the phone doesn't disable it at the carrier. when the
> >>> phone receives an mms, it pulls the photos via a data link. read the
> >>> spec.
> >>
> >> I don't care about the specs you provide.
> >
> > mms cares, because that's how it works.
> >
> >> I have no data and there is no
> >> avoiding that.
> >
> > no. what you have is no data *plan*. the phone can still use data if it
> > needs to and the carrier will bill it differently, in this case, billed
> > as an mms message.
>
> No, it doesn't. Data is disabled in the configuration. If it uses data I
> get charged an euro per day, and I would see it fast.
it's using data *for* *mms* and billed *as* *mms*.
where you're confused is thinking that it is a separate data plan
transaction. it's not. it's entirely an mms transaction, with the
required data usage being invisible to the end user, therefore not
billed separately.
you can disable data all you want, and that will prevent apps and other
things from working, but for mms, the phone is going to use data when
it pulls an mms from the server. there is no other way for it to get an
mms.
> Setup cog wheel: first line has a warning in bold: mobile data disabled.
>
> Total data used : zero.
but keep on believing what you want. if carlos says the spec is wrong,
then the spec must be wrong.
what other specs are wrong?
Carlos E.R.
Feb 13, 2019, 9:12:07 PM2/13/19
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Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 13, 2019, 9:16:06 PM2/13/19
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publicity. I doubt they will kill it.
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Cheers, Carlos.
arlen holder
Feb 13, 2019, 10:04:44 PM2/13/19
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 22:25:08 -0500, nospam wrote:
> i said largely replaced, not completely replaced.
What's a good "name" for those non-SMS non-MMS non-carrier apps?
> i said largely replaced, not completely replaced.
o For now, I'll call them non-carrier-proprietary-format texting apps.
If folks have a _better_ name for the non-carrier proprietary-format apps,
let me know.
You know already there is a _long_ thread on this subject (hundreds of
posts), all of which are saying only one of two things:
1. In any locale that charges appreciably for carrier-based non-proprietary
MMS/SMS (in whatever matter), the users have "mostly" switched to the many
non-carrier proprietary-format texting solutions. [HINT: Europe is this
way, for the most part, at least it is for the people I contact in Europe.]
2. In the USA, despite what nospam would _wish_ to be the case, essentially
_every_ Android phone comes with the carrier-based non-proprietary MMS/SMS
which "works just fine" for me, and every single human being I have ever
had the need to communicate with via texting.
Yes, I'm aware of those who claim otherwise; but the facts as I stated them
above are correct where I strongly suspect nospam is following a script
provided to him by a certain marketing entity who would wish things to be
other than the way they actually are (particularly in terms of adding a
proprietary restriction to what is currently not proprietary.)
HINT: Nospam has _never_ deviated from that marketing script; so it would
be unreasonable to expect nospam to deviate now as he _never_ defers to
facts or logic - although he's clever enough to play silly games with them
to support the MARKETING script that is handed to him by a certain entity
(who _loves_ proprietary solutions).
NOTE: I don't know what script nospam's following, nor do I care; it's a
simple FACT that carrier-based non-proprietary MMS/SMS is essentially on
every USA phone and it's a fact that I've never once in my entire life met
someone in the USA whom I needed to communicate with by phone that didn't
use it. (Europe is definitely different.)
arlen holder
Feb 13, 2019, 10:24:15 PM2/13/19
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 22:25:08 -0500, nospam wrote:
> <https://www.statista.com/statistics/350461/mobile-messenger-app-usage-u
> sa/>
Hi nospam,
*Please stop spewing your worthless bullshit links.*
o Some of us actually click on them - and we know how to comprehend facts.
Facts + logic.
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/350461/mobile-messenger-app-usage-usa/>
*I posit that your first link is an almost total bullshit statistic*
o For the purposes for which you _seem_ to be using it for.
Your first link shows "monthly active users" (in millions) in the USA of
about a year ago, for "mobile messaging apps", where they list 13
non-carrier proprietary solutions:
1. Facebook === 111
2. Snapchat === 52
3. WhatsApp === 21
4. Hangouts === 15
5. Messenger === 13
6. GroupMe === 11
7. Discord ==== 10
8. Kik === 8
9. Skype === 8
10. LINE === 3
11. Telegram === 3
12. WeChat === 2
13. Viber === 2
Facts + logic.
Guess what?
o I used Kik, Skype, Viber, Telegram, and Hangouts last month.
o I used carrier MMS/SMS last month also.
Guess what?
o I sent, oh, let's say fewer than a dozen messages on proprietary ones.
o I sent, oh, maybe hundreds upon hundreds using the carrier one.
Yet, my read of that chart is that they're both counted equally.
Hence, that chart is, essentially, almost total horseshit (if my read is
correct) for telling us the _number of messages_ sent per month.
All it tells us is that people use a variety of messaging apps.
o So what?
It's almost meaningless as a statistic when compared to carrier-based
non-proprietary MMS/SMS comparisons.
HINT: Fact + logic.
o That's all I ask of everyone here.
> <https://www.comscore.com/var/comscore/storage/images/media/images/globa
> l-instant-messaging/2333174-1-eng-US/global-instant-messaging.jpg>
Looking at your second link,
<https://www.comscore.com/var/comscore/storage/images/media/images/global-instant-messaging/2333174-1-eng-US/global-instant-messaging.jpg>
WTF?
o What are you trying to pull on us?
*Do you even _look_ at the links you post, nospam?*
That jpeg is worthless for the purpose of distinguishing number of messages
of the proprietary non-carrier apps versus the non-proprietary carrier
apps.
All it says is that, for the three given proprietary non-carrier apps only,
China uses WeChat, the USA/France/UK use Facebook, and the rest of the
world uses WhatsApp - but - so what?
There's _nothing_ in that statistic that tells us _anything_ factual other
than if we compared the three (completely ignoring the non-proprietary
carrier-based ubiquitous solution), then, maybe it's saying who's the
dominant app (but it doesn't even tell us by how much).
Each one could be dominant by a single user for Christs' sake.
o Nospam: Do you even _look_ at the idiotic links you post?
Am I the _only_ one who looks at them with adult FACT + LOGIC in mind?
The strange thing about you nospam, is you act EXACTLY like a certain well
marketed company does, by throwing BULLSHIT statistics at people, and then
TELLING THOSE PEOPLE what you FABRICATE to be what those bullshit
statistics show.
Both your links are utterly worthless to show _any_ distinction between the
carrier-based non-proprietary message count versus the non-carrier
proprietary-based message counts.
You wasted my time.
Piet
Feb 14, 2019, 4:31:43 AM2/14/19
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Here (Spain) MMS are used by the very provider to send their
> own publicity. I doubt they will kill it.
publicity = announcements? publicity = ads?
> Here (Spain) MMS are used by the very provider to send their
> own publicity. I doubt they will kill it.
In the latter case: MMS = Multi Media Spam.
-p
David Higton
Feb 14, 2019, 1:58:31 PM2/14/19
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In message <q42lsb$lbg$1...@news.mixmin.net>
are MMS messages normally inclusive or are they normally chargeable?
In Europe, it's a fact that service providers charge for MMS (often,
quite heavily) in most cases, and also normally give customers an
inclusive data allowance. Put those facts together with the better
facilities offered by the proprietary apps (WhatsApp, Telegram, etc.)
and the latter are the obvious choice for users. MMS is rarely used
over here.
Dave
arlen holder <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
> 2. In the USA, despite what nospam would _wish_ to be the case, essentially
> _every_ Android phone comes with the carrier-based non-proprietary MMS/SMS
> which "works just fine" for me, and every single human being I have ever
> had the need to communicate with via texting.
Texting (i.e. SMS): yes; but do people often send MMS in the USA, and
> 2. In the USA, despite what nospam would _wish_ to be the case, essentially
> _every_ Android phone comes with the carrier-based non-proprietary MMS/SMS
> which "works just fine" for me, and every single human being I have ever
> had the need to communicate with via texting.
are MMS messages normally inclusive or are they normally chargeable?
In Europe, it's a fact that service providers charge for MMS (often,
quite heavily) in most cases, and also normally give customers an
inclusive data allowance. Put those facts together with the better
facilities offered by the proprietary apps (WhatsApp, Telegram, etc.)
and the latter are the obvious choice for users. MMS is rarely used
over here.
Dave
arlen holder
Feb 14, 2019, 9:46:11 PM2/14/19
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 10:31:44 +0100, Piet wrote:
> publicity = announcements? publicity = ads?
> In the latter case: MMS = Multi Media Spam.
I _do_ get spam from T-Mobile on my USA plan, but it's SMS (AFAIK).
> publicity = announcements? publicity = ads?
> In the latter case: MMS = Multi Media Spam.
arlen holder
Feb 14, 2019, 9:46:12 PM2/14/19
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 18:58:11 GMT, David Higton wrote:
> Texting (i.e. SMS): yes; but do people often send MMS in the USA, and
> are MMS messages normally inclusive or are they normally chargeable?
Things changed over time, where, in the "olden" days, in the USA,
> Texting (i.e. SMS): yes; but do people often send MMS in the USA, and
> are MMS messages normally inclusive or are they normally chargeable?
o We paid roaming charges in the past
o We paid differently for calls to mobile phones than to landlines
o We paid for calling outside the "network" (friends & family stuff)
o We paid for texts after a minimum amount (like 200 texts/month)
o We paid for tethering and/or hotspotting (they're different things)
o As I recall, we also paid for WiFi calls in the past (which is a crime)
etc.
I'm sure crappy plans like that _still_ exist, but your question assumes an
"intelligent" consumer, who gets a "decent" USA plan for a decent price.
I consider myself of average intelligence (if that), so I will simply
explain "my" plan, on T-Mobile, although I've had Verizon and AT&T in the
past, where the service is "about the same" for such things.
Here's what "my" plan is:
o I pay roughly about $25 per phone per month
o I get unlimited phone calls to and from USA mobile & landlines
o I get 2.5GB/month "free" data (which is currently a 4GB promotion)
o I get unlimited SMS & MMS to and from _any_ phone in the world (AFAIK)
o I get free tethering & hotspotting
o And I have a few free SIM cards for life for free 200MB/month tablet data
Note the "data" never turns off; it just slows down, and they never charge
you for excess data (it's just very slow I'm told, when you go over your
limit).
Of courses, you can _always_ buy more data, in 1-month chunks, for about 10
bucks, if you need it, where I only needed to do that once (see Europe
below).
I also get a free "femtocell" in my house, and a free cellular repeater,
where T-Mobile offers, for free, one of these three (they gave me two):
1. A free femtocell
2. A free cellular repeater
3. A free WiFi router
NOTE: T-Mobile essentially seems to give you double what they "say" they
give you for "free data", where I supposed the plan is to get you drunk on
the data. Me? I use about 200KB per month, but others in my "family" use
the limit where you can then just pay something like $10 once to get
another 5GB (or whatever it is) for that month.
Notice I get unlimited free SMS & MMS to and from any phone in the world,
where I've used that a lot since I travel to Europe once or twice every
year, and my family does too, where in Europe, T-Mobile changes the plan
such that the data goes unlimited, all the while there are still no roaming
charges.
So, in Europe, the only differences I can remember are:
o The free SIM card for the tablets no longer works in Europe
o Calls suddenly go from "free" to 20 cents a minute while in Europe
o Calls are still free if you make them while on WiFi in Europe
o There is no roaming charges where DATA goes UNLIMITED in Europe!
Note this bonus: *Data goes to unlimited amounts when in Europe!*
The one "catch" is that the day before you go to Europe, you have to have
at least a byte of data left, where once, one of my family members had used
up ALL her USA data, so we had to buy a $10 chunk of "USA data" in order
for her to have "unlimited data" in Europe. But that's just a technicality.
Another technicality, as I recall, is that one of the free hotspotting or
tethering options doesn't work in Europe. I forget which as I use neither,
but, again, that's just a technicality, as is the fact the free SIM card
for life doesn't work in Europe.
That's my plan - but others may have different plans, so I'll let them
describe their plans to you - but I think my plan is pretty typical in the
USA.
The point is that EVERYONE I've ever met in my entire life, uses the free
SMS/MMS texting app that comes with EVERY USA Android phone, and which has,
essentially, free MMS/SMS texting, so, there's no big reason for us to go
to proprietary non-carrier solutions.
I realize there is a huge 200+ post thread where some people _insist_
everyone in the USA dropped MMS/SMS but if they did, they never told that
to EVERYONE I've ever met in my life here in Silicon Valley and elsewhere
around the USA.
Notice also that nospam was trying to bullshit us with his "links", which,
if he even _looked_ at them once, he'd know they prove nothing of what he
"claims".
In general, the way to understand nospam is to simply assume he works for
Apple Marketing where he's always following a script that forces
"proprietary" solutions where non-proprietary solutions work just fine.
> In Europe, it's a fact that service providers charge for MMS (often,
> quite heavily) in most cases, and also normally give customers an
> inclusive data allowance. Put those facts together with the better
> facilities offered by the proprietary apps (WhatsApp, Telegram, etc.)
> and the latter are the obvious choice for users. MMS is rarely used
> over here.
don't know, fifty times in my life or so, both before and after cell
phones.
I'm quite well aware that, essentially, they use WhatsApp.
In fact, I once asked T-Mobile if I could ADD a European relative to my
family plan so that they could get _my_ prices, but they wouldn't let me
(which makes sense).
Hope this helps.
Everything I stated above is fact.
If nospam wants to outright claim my facts are wrong, I'll simply ask him
what his proof is to deny basic facts out of hand with zero evidence.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 14, 2019, 10:00:06 PM2/14/19
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Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 14, 2019, 10:12:07 PM2/14/19
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On 14/02/2019 04.04, arlen holder wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 22:25:08 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> i said largely replaced, not completely replaced.
>
> What's a good "name" for those non-SMS non-MMS non-carrier apps?
> o For now, I'll call them non-carrier-proprietary-format texting apps.
>
> If folks have a _better_ name for the non-carrier proprietary-format apps,
> let me know.
>
> You know already there is a _long_ thread on this subject (hundreds of
> posts), all of which are saying only one of two things:
>
> 1. In any locale that charges appreciably for carrier-based non-proprietary
> MMS/SMS (in whatever matter), the users have "mostly" switched to the many
> non-carrier proprietary-format texting solutions. [HINT: Europe is this
> way, for the most part, at least it is for the people I contact in Europe.]
>
> 2. In the USA, despite what nospam would _wish_ to be the case, essentially
> _every_ Android phone comes with the carrier-based non-proprietary MMS/SMS
> which "works just fine" for me, and every single human being I have ever
> had the need to communicate with via texting.
...
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 22:25:08 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> i said largely replaced, not completely replaced.
>
> What's a good "name" for those non-SMS non-MMS non-carrier apps?
> o For now, I'll call them non-carrier-proprietary-format texting apps.
>
> If folks have a _better_ name for the non-carrier proprietary-format apps,
> let me know.
>
> You know already there is a _long_ thread on this subject (hundreds of
> posts), all of which are saying only one of two things:
>
> 1. In any locale that charges appreciably for carrier-based non-proprietary
> MMS/SMS (in whatever matter), the users have "mostly" switched to the many
> non-carrier proprietary-format texting solutions. [HINT: Europe is this
> way, for the most part, at least it is for the people I contact in Europe.]
>
> 2. In the USA, despite what nospam would _wish_ to be the case, essentially
> _every_ Android phone comes with the carrier-based non-proprietary MMS/SMS
> which "works just fine" for me, and every single human being I have ever
> had the need to communicate with via texting.
> NOTE: I don't know what script nospam's following, nor do I care; it's a
> simple FACT that carrier-based non-proprietary MMS/SMS is essentially on
> every USA phone and it's a fact that I've never once in my entire life met
> someone in the USA whom I needed to communicate with by phone that didn't
> use it. (Europe is definitely different.)
receiving SMS/MMS - basically we get the same phones. We simply do not
use it because MMS is expensive here. SMS is often free or nearly so:
for instance, my plan allows sending a thousand SMS per month, last time
I looked (it may have changed). But SMS is limited, we can not send
photos. So instead we use internet based apps such as WhatsApp or
Telegram or whatever.
Of the people I met in Canada most used MMS and were not aware of
WhatsApp, but I had to convince some to install it so that we could
converse: both SMS and SMS were even more expensive for me while I was
there, unless I used my temporary T-Mobile SIM card.
Why things evolved differently while we have the same technologies, I
don't know - except pricing. The question then would be why MMS is
essentially free your side and expensive our side. No idea.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
arlen holder
Feb 14, 2019, 11:54:20 PM2/14/19
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 04:11:39 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> In Europe phones come with the same capability as in USA of sending
> receiving SMS/MMS - basically we get the same phones.
Thanks Carlos for confirming that the phones in Europe "start out" with the
> In Europe phones come with the same capability as in USA of sending
> receiving SMS/MMS - basically we get the same phones.
same apps as we have, which means then that every phone has a
non-proprietary carrier-based MMS/SMS app.
Here, in the USA, the carrier-supplied app generally sucks, IMHO, which is
why I opened this thread recently, to find a better app:
o Best free SMS app for Android
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/up2NoEHr9M8>
But I get your point, which is that carrier-based non-proprietary SMS/MMS
"apps" are ubiquitous on Android phones.
Use depends on the "cost", which is where the locations differ.
> We simply do not
> use it because MMS is expensive here.
if it cost me money, so I agree with the use model in Europe.
> SMS is often free or nearly so:
> for instance, my plan allows sending a thousand SMS per month, last time
> I looked (it may have changed).
that's what I use when I need to communicate with THEM. Otherwise, I use
carrier-based SMS/MMS for all American contacts.
> But SMS is limited, we can not send photos.
to have a setting (which I don't play with) to separate a "group text" into
individual texts.
Likewise, some of the SMS apps I tested seem to have a setting to combine
or break apart lines longer than 160 characters (or whatever the default
limit is).
> So instead we use internet based apps such as WhatsApp or
> Telegram or whatever.
I would do EXACTLY the same as you do.
In fact, I use WhatsApp when I must communicate with Europeans.
It's nice to know how things are done differently around the world.
It makes sense you'd avoid being charged for something this simple to
avoid.
> Of the people I met in Canada most used MMS and were not aware of
> WhatsApp, but I had to convince some to install it so that we could
> converse: both SMS and SMS were even more expensive for me while I was
> there, unless I used my temporary T-Mobile SIM card.
SMS being different (years ago) since it "just worked".
If I wanted a group chat, it just worked (it used MMS, I think).
If I wanted to send a long message, it just worked (who knows how).
If I wanted to send a picture, it just worked (it's all transparent).
For us, in the USA, it just works.
o So we don't really need to even think about it.
> Why things evolved differently while we have the same technologies, I
> don't know - except pricing. The question then would be why MMS is
> essentially free your side and expensive our side. No idea.
Remember I said to David Higton that pricing was different years ago...
In the olden days, in the USA, as I recall, offhand...
o We paid roaming charges in the past
o We paid differently for calls to mobile phones than to landlines
o We paid for calling outside the "network" (friends & family stuff)
o We paid for texts after a minimum amount (like 200 texts/month)
o We paid for tethering and/or hotspotting (they're different things)
o As I recall, we also paid for WiFi calls in the past (which is a crime)
etc.
But then we got "competition", where, for example, I started my cellphone
o We paid differently for calls to mobile phones than to landlines
o We paid for calling outside the "network" (friends & family stuff)
o We paid for texts after a minimum amount (like 200 texts/month)
o We paid for tethering and/or hotspotting (they're different things)
o As I recall, we also paid for WiFi calls in the past (which is a crime)
etc.
life with an "analog" phone (with a pull-out antenna and LED display!) on
Verizon, and then when Verizon pissed me off (by renewing my contract
simply due to a faulty phone being replaced), I instantly moved to AT&T and
in doing so, I saved money, where the coverage was "about the same".
Then, AT&T pissed me off about five or so years ago when they forced me to
have a "data plan" on smartphones, so I went to T-Mobile where I, again,
saved money, and got service coverage that was 'about the same'.
Each time I switched carriers, I saved money, and the service was "about
the same", which is something we can _easily_ do in the USA (depending on
your coverage, of course).
I'm happy with T-Mobile...
arlen holder
Feb 15, 2019, 12:01:25 AM2/15/19
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 04:54:19 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:
> I'm happy with T-Mobile...
BTW, one nice thing about T-Mobile is you get a human when you dial 611,
> I'm happy with T-Mobile...
just like we did in the olden days when we called a company.
That human picks up the phone right away after only, oh, as I recall, about
10 or 15 seconds of computer stuff.
You just tell the computer you want a human - and you get a human.
Of course, sometimes it's Rajivatah who calls himself "Randy", but that's a
problem with _any_ support organization. :)
HINT: I just keep calling back until I get a "real" American "Randy".
tb
Feb 15, 2019, 9:42:04 AM2/15/19
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On 2/11/2019 at 8:26:16 PM nospam wrote:
> In article <gcenb6...@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R.
> <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> > Ages ago we could get MMS before Internet was invented on phones and
> > nobody had data.
>
> mms requires a data connection because jpegs won't fit into 160
> character text messages. note that does not mean a separate data plan.
>
> <https://www.nowsms.com/faq/how-mms-works>
> In article <gcenb6...@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R.
> <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> > Ages ago we could get MMS before Internet was invented on phones and
> > nobody had data.
>
> mms requires a data connection because jpegs won't fit into 160
> character text messages. note that does not mean a separate data plan.
>
> When a mobile phone receives an MMS message, what it is actually
> receiving is an MMS notification message which it receives over SMS
> (WAP Push). This MMS notification message contains header
> information about the MMS message, and a URL pointer that the
> recipient must fetch in order to retrieve the content of the MMS
> message. ...
> € The recipient receives the MMS notification message. It then
> initiates a data connection that provides TCP/IP network
> connectivity (usually over GPRS).
> € The recipient phone performs an HTTP (or WSP) get to retrieve the
> MMS message content URL from the MMSC.
Does this mean that if I get an MMS throught my cell phone service
provider (T-Mobile) but cannot open it because I do not have a data
subscription then maybe I can forward the MMS message to my WhatsApp
account and open it using Wi-Fi?
If yes, what app would I need to install in order to move the MMS from
the Messages app to the WhatsApp app?
--
tb
arlen holder
Feb 15, 2019, 2:49:35 PM2/15/19
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 14:42:04 +0000 (UTC), tb wrote:
> maybe I can forward the MMS message to my WhatsApp
> account and open it using Wi-Fi?
Hi tb,
> maybe I can forward the MMS message to my WhatsApp
> account and open it using Wi-Fi?
I'm using Textra which, I just checked, has these options for any message:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.textra>
o Send as New
o Save
o Forward
o Share as Email
o Lock
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3398643forwardsms_02.jpg>
You can even forward entire conversations, or select components:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3649816forwardsms_01.jpg>
Each SMS app has different options, e.g., Pulse SMS has "view media":
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5136644forwardsms_03.jpg>
You can get Pulse SMS for free on Google Play:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>
Having suggested that approach, I'm NOT the one to answer your question in
detail since MMS has _always_ worked for me so I never delved into why or
how it works.
It just works.
So I hope _others_ who know more about MMS mechanics chime in to help you
answer your question more fully.
But that's not going to completely stop me from offering helpful advice! :)
If I were you, the FIRST thing I'd do, is what Carlos suggested (I think it
was Carlos) which is to ask T-Mobile why you can't get MMS on WiFi (since I
can get MMS on WiFi and I'm on T-Mobile).
If they say it's impossible, then you move to the next phase, but if they
say it works, then you figure out why it didn't work for you and yet, it
works fine for everyone else but you.
It's sort of like, I think, the FMurtz problem we had recently on a
different thread where MTP just doesn't work for him; but MPT works fine
for everyone else.
It's up to you to explain what T-Mobile told you.
<https://support.t-mobile.com/community/contact-us>
And it's up to you to explain what happens when you try with Textra.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.textra>
Since it's only you that MMS doesn't work for on WiFi, it has to be
something on your side that is _different_ from, oh, say my side.
Seems to me the answer to these two questions "may" solve your problem:
o Did you contact T-Mobile? (What did they tell you?)
<https://support.t-mobile.com/community/contact-us>
o Did you try a known-good app like "Textra"? (What happened?)
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.textra>
Carlos E.R.
Feb 15, 2019, 5:16:07 PM2/15/19
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> If yes, what app would I need to install in order to move the MMS from
> the Messages app to the WhatsApp app?
tool, which you know it fails.
However, you could use one of those tools that stores the SMS database
into a file, and read that in the computer, pasting the URLs into a
normal browser.
Push that file to wasap, no.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
arlen holder
Feb 15, 2019, 5:28:48 PM2/15/19
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 23:11:10 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Push that file to wasap, no.
Hi Carlos,
> Push that file to wasap, no.
First, I please ignorance of MMS since what the OP asks for works just fine
for me out of the box on WiFi so I never delved into troubleshooting.
However, while testing SMS apps, I noticed some of the SMS apps have a
"share" feature which brought up, as I recall, a huge list of existing apps
to share the text with.
If WhatsApp is on that list to share with, might _that_ work for the OP?
Carlos E.R.
Feb 18, 2019, 3:52:07 AM2/18/19
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I just tried, and it worked.
To my surprise, but thinking about it, it is obvious.
But not in the way tb suggested: «If yes, what app would I need to
install in order to move the MMS from the Messages app to the WhatsApp app?»
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 18, 2019, 4:00:05 AM2/18/19
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On 18/02/2019 09.51, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 15/02/2019 23.28, arlen holder wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 23:11:10 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> Push that file to wasap, no.
>>
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>> First, I please ignorance of MMS since what the OP asks for works just fine
>> for me out of the box on WiFi so I never delved into troubleshooting.
>>
>> However, while testing SMS apps, I noticed some of the SMS apps have a
>> "share" feature which brought up, as I recall, a huge list of existing apps
>> to share the text with.
>>
>> If WhatsApp is on that list to share with, might _that_ work for the OP?
>
> Certainly.
>
> I just tried, and it worked.
I must say that about two years ago the facility was not there. I had to
> On 15/02/2019 23.28, arlen holder wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 23:11:10 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> Push that file to wasap, no.
>>
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>> First, I please ignorance of MMS since what the OP asks for works just fine
>> for me out of the box on WiFi so I never delved into troubleshooting.
>>
>> However, while testing SMS apps, I noticed some of the SMS apps have a
>> "share" feature which brought up, as I recall, a huge list of existing apps
>> to share the text with.
>>
>> If WhatsApp is on that list to share with, might _that_ work for the OP?
>
> Certainly.
>
> I just tried, and it worked.
paste the text instead, which is why I thought it was not possible.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 18, 2019, 4:28:06 AM2/18/19
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On 15/02/2019 05.54, arlen holder wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 04:11:39 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> In Europe phones come with the same capability as in USA of sending
>> receiving SMS/MMS - basically we get the same phones.
>
> Thanks Carlos for confirming that the phones in Europe "start out" with the
> same apps as we have, which means then that every phone has a
> non-proprietary carrier-based MMS/SMS app.
>
> Here, in the USA, the carrier-supplied app generally sucks, IMHO, which is
> why I opened this thread recently, to find a better app:
> o Best free SMS app for Android
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/up2NoEHr9M8>
>
> But I get your point, which is that carrier-based non-proprietary SMS/MMS
> "apps" are ubiquitous on Android phones.
They have to be, or a mobile phone, aka GSM phone, would not be compliant.
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 04:11:39 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> In Europe phones come with the same capability as in USA of sending
>> receiving SMS/MMS - basically we get the same phones.
>
> Thanks Carlos for confirming that the phones in Europe "start out" with the
> same apps as we have, which means then that every phone has a
> non-proprietary carrier-based MMS/SMS app.
>
> Here, in the USA, the carrier-supplied app generally sucks, IMHO, which is
> why I opened this thread recently, to find a better app:
> o Best free SMS app for Android
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/up2NoEHr9M8>
>
> But I get your point, which is that carrier-based non-proprietary SMS/MMS
> "apps" are ubiquitous on Android phones.
That is, a phone must be able to dial and make calls, and receive/send
text messages, aka SMS.
The standard also mentions a green button and a red one, and the
graphics on them. Smartphones stretch the definition a bit by not having
those two actual buttons.
>
> Use depends on the "cost", which is where the locations differ.
>
>> We simply do not
>> use it because MMS is expensive here.
>
> Thanks for confirming that. I quite understand. I wouldn't use it either,
> if it cost me money, so I agree with the use model in Europe.
because "it is not safe, it is not compliant with data privacy
regulations". Switzerland. I don't know more than that.
>
>> SMS is often free or nearly so:
>> for instance, my plan allows sending a thousand SMS per month, last time
>> I looked (it may have changed).
>
> That's interesting. Most of my relatives, in Europe, use WhatsApp, so,
> that's what I use when I need to communicate with THEM. Otherwise, I use
> carrier-based SMS/MMS for all American contacts.
>
>> But SMS is limited, we can not send photos.
>
> For us, SMS defaults to MMS for "group texts", but most SMS/MMS apps seem
> to have a setting (which I don't play with) to separate a "group text" into
> individual texts.
you have a group of 10 people, for each message your phone sends ten
messages. And if you pay for them, you pay ten messages.
It works as a mail list managed by the mail application, instead of
subscribing to a mail list managed by some external mail server (google
groups, for instance).
> Likewise, some of the SMS apps I tested seem to have a setting to combine
> or break apart lines longer than 160 characters (or whatever the default
> limit is).
>
>> So instead we use internet based apps such as WhatsApp or
>> Telegram or whatever.
>
> Yup. I completely understand.
> I would do EXACTLY the same as you do.
> In fact, I use WhatsApp when I must communicate with Europeans.
>
> It's nice to know how things are done differently around the world.
> It makes sense you'd avoid being charged for something this simple to
> avoid.
>
>> Of the people I met in Canada most used MMS and were not aware of
>> WhatsApp, but I had to convince some to install it so that we could
>> converse: both SMS and SMS were even more expensive for me while I was
>> there, unless I used my temporary T-Mobile SIM card.
>
> I will agree with you that, for the longest time, I was unaware of MMS and
> SMS being different (years ago) since it "just worked".
>
> If I wanted a group chat, it just worked (it used MMS, I think).
> If I wanted to send a long message, it just worked (who knows how).
(which has a 1000 char limit, I think). Notice that in Europe the second
version is more expensive.
> If I wanted to send a picture, it just worked (it's all transparent).
>
> For us, in the USA, it just works.
> o So we don't really need to even think about it.
>
>> Why things evolved differently while we have the same technologies, I
>> don't know - except pricing. The question then would be why MMS is
>> essentially free your side and expensive our side. No idea.
>
> Well, I _think_ I may know what's _different_.
> Remember I said to David Higton that pricing was different years ago...
>
> In the olden days, in the USA, as I recall, offhand...
> o We paid roaming charges in the past
> o We paid differently for calls to mobile phones than to landlines
> o We paid for calling outside the "network" (friends & family stuff)
> o We paid for texts after a minimum amount (like 200 texts/month)
> o We paid for tethering and/or hotspotting (they're different things)
> o As I recall, we also paid for WiFi calls in the past (which is a crime)
> etc.
>
> But then we got "competition", where, for example, I started my cellphone
> life with an "analog" phone (with a pull-out antenna and LED display!) on
> Verizon, and then when Verizon pissed me off (by renewing my contract
> simply due to a faulty phone being replaced), I instantly moved to AT&T and
> in doing so, I saved money, where the coverage was "about the same".
I think the difference was different pricing of SMS. Here there was no
"100 text/month", it was something like 25 cent per message since the
start. The 100 text/month packages came much later; for me this decade IIRC.
>
> Then, AT&T pissed me off about five or so years ago when they forced me to
> have a "data plan" on smartphones, so I went to T-Mobile where I, again,
> saved money, and got service coverage that was 'about the same'.
>
> Each time I switched carriers, I saved money, and the service was "about
> the same", which is something we can _easily_ do in the USA (depending on
> your coverage, of course).
>
> I'm happy with T-Mobile...
year after 1990 when we got the first alternative provider, Airtel. I
don't know about other European countries, but I believe it was an
European Union regulation, so inside the EU it would be about the same
thing.
Wikipedia says Airtel was formed 1994. They started service Oct 3 1995.
I remember a friend at work that got his first mobile phone, and when
he wanted a new model he would just drop the current contract and get a
new one with a new phone delivered by messenger free of cost. Those were
the happy times! X-)
Oh, but the number changed. People did not keep the same mobile number
for long.
Portability came later. Wikipedia says on yr 2000. Italy 2002. modova
2013. Germany 2002. Ireland 2003. The European Union is not a single
country.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 18, 2019, 4:36:06 AM2/18/19
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On 15/02/2019 06.01, arlen holder wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 04:54:19 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:
>
>> I'm happy with T-Mobile...
>
> BTW, one nice thing about T-Mobile is you get a human when you dial 611,
> just like we did in the olden days when we called a company.
I contacted them by email.
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 04:54:19 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:
>
>> I'm happy with T-Mobile...
>
> BTW, one nice thing about T-Mobile is you get a human when you dial 611,
> just like we did in the olden days when we called a company.
For me it is much easier email contact than voice, because I don't get
all the accents, and also I have one. My first language is not English,
there is always some difficulty.
I think I talked with them. Once in English and another in Spanish - but
it was not my Spanish variant, but some very strong accent.
> That human picks up the phone right away after only, oh, as I recall, about
> 10 or 15 seconds of computer stuff.
>
> You just tell the computer you want a human - and you get a human.
> Of course, sometimes it's Rajivatah who calls himself "Randy", but that's a
> problem with _any_ support organization. :)
>
> HINT: I just keep calling back until I get a "real" American "Randy".
--
Cheers, Carlos.
arlen holder
Feb 18, 2019, 11:38:13 AM2/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 10:27:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Portability came later. Wikipedia says on yr 2000. Italy 2002. modova
> 2013. Germany 2002. Ireland 2003. The European Union is not a single
> country.
Thanks Carlos for all the helpful advice in the past few posts.
> Portability came later. Wikipedia says on yr 2000. Italy 2002. modova
> 2013. Germany 2002. Ireland 2003. The European Union is not a single
> country.
I read them all but am only responding to this one for brevity.
Thanks for being purposefully helpful.
Particuarly in answering question, and in testing out the sharing.
We all learned something from your efforts.
Thanks for increasing the value of our combined tribal knowledge.
PS: I _love_ when I get a new carrier as that gives me a NEW number
for free (which isn't tied to any of my old numbers). That way I get a bit
of privacy since the new number isn't tied to the old numbers.
arlen holder
Feb 18, 2019, 11:38:14 AM2/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:57:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> I must say that about two years ago the facility was not there. I had to
> paste the text instead, which is why I thought it was not possible.
Hi Carlos,
> I must say that about two years ago the facility was not there. I had to
> paste the text instead, which is why I thought it was not possible.
Wow. I _appreciate_ that you _tested_ this feature for the OP.
And, by reporting back, you added VALUE to our overall tribal knowledge.
I don't remember which SMS app had that "share" button,
but it shared with a _huge_ list of my installed apps, so it made sense.
The only problem, I guess, is if the MMS is "stripped" of something
important on the users' phone BEFORE it is shared with WhatsApp.
I think the OP has disappeared though, so I hope the OP tests it out.
What's odd is that a lot of questions seem to be just "rants", instead of
actual problem-solving attempts.
Let's hope the OP solves his problem.
Thanks Carlos for being purposefully helpful in TESTING out sharing!
We _all_ learn something when people faithfully report back on tests.
(It's what I do all the time, for example, for exactly that reason.)
arlen holder
Feb 18, 2019, 11:44:05 AM2/18/19
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 00:11:59 +0000 (UTC), tb wrote:
> I have an ASUS ZenFone Max Plus M1 with Android 8.1
>
> I am unable to open MMS messages that people send me. (SMS messages
> work fine!) I use the Messages app v. 3.9.039 that came with the phone.
>
> I think this is due to the fact that my cell phone plan does not have a
> data plan; it only has voice and text plans. The Wi-Fi connection is
> turned on but that does not help in opening MMS messages.
>
> Is there another messaging app that I can install such that I will be
> able to open MMS messages over a Wi-Fi connection?
Based on my tests and Carlos' tests, I _think_ the answer to the OP is:
1. On WiFi, even sans a data plan, the OP _should_ be able to use MMS.
(I proved that myself, using a variety of free SMS apps with data turned
off and WiFi turned on.)
2. Even so, on WiFi, with the right SMS/MMS app, the OP _should_ also be
able to "share" the incoming MMS message with WhatsApp.
(Carlos tested that.)
In short, _both_ options should work for the OP:
a. The OP should be able to send/receive MMS while on WiFi, and,
b. The OP should be able to share MMS with other apps, including WhatsApp.
> I have an ASUS ZenFone Max Plus M1 with Android 8.1
>
> I am unable to open MMS messages that people send me. (SMS messages
> work fine!) I use the Messages app v. 3.9.039 that came with the phone.
>
> I think this is due to the fact that my cell phone plan does not have a
> data plan; it only has voice and text plans. The Wi-Fi connection is
> turned on but that does not help in opening MMS messages.
>
> Is there another messaging app that I can install such that I will be
> able to open MMS messages over a Wi-Fi connection?
Based on my tests and Carlos' tests, I _think_ the answer to the OP is:
1. On WiFi, even sans a data plan, the OP _should_ be able to use MMS.
(I proved that myself, using a variety of free SMS apps with data turned
off and WiFi turned on.)
2. Even so, on WiFi, with the right SMS/MMS app, the OP _should_ also be
able to "share" the incoming MMS message with WhatsApp.
(Carlos tested that.)
In short, _both_ options should work for the OP:
a. The OP should be able to send/receive MMS while on WiFi, and,
b. The OP should be able to share MMS with other apps, including WhatsApp.
tb
Feb 18, 2019, 3:49:34 PM2/18/19
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On 2/18/2019 at 10:44:04 AM arlen holder wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 00:11:59 +0000 (UTC), tb wrote:
>
> > I have an ASUS ZenFone Max Plus M1 with Android 8.1
> >
> > I am unable to open MMS messages that people send me. (SMS messages
> > work fine!) I use the Messages app v. 3.9.039 that came with the
> > phone.
> >
> > I think this is due to the fact that my cell phone plan does not
> > have a data plan; it only has voice and text plans. The Wi-Fi
> > connection is turned on but that does not help in opening MMS
> > messages.
> >
> > Is there another messaging app that I can install such that I will
> > be able to open MMS messages over a Wi-Fi connection?
>
> Based on my tests and Carlos' tests, I think the answer to the OP is:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 00:11:59 +0000 (UTC), tb wrote:
>
> > I have an ASUS ZenFone Max Plus M1 with Android 8.1
> >
> > I am unable to open MMS messages that people send me. (SMS messages
> > work fine!) I use the Messages app v. 3.9.039 that came with the
> > phone.
> >
> > I think this is due to the fact that my cell phone plan does not
> > have a data plan; it only has voice and text plans. The Wi-Fi
> > connection is turned on but that does not help in opening MMS
> > messages.
> >
> > Is there another messaging app that I can install such that I will
> > be able to open MMS messages over a Wi-Fi connection?
>
>
> 1. On WiFi, even sans a data plan, the OP should be able to use MMS.
> (I proved that myself, using a variety of free SMS apps with data
> turned off and WiFi turned on.)
>
> 2. Even so, on WiFi, with the right SMS/MMS app, the OP should also be
> turned off and WiFi turned on.)
>
> able to "share" the incoming MMS message with WhatsApp.
> (Carlos tested that.)
>
> In short, both options should work for the OP:
> (Carlos tested that.)
>
> a. The OP should be able to send/receive MMS while on WiFi, and,
> b. The OP should be able to share MMS with other apps, including
> WhatsApp.
When I tap on the MMS, the Messages app goes through the motion of
> b. The OP should be able to share MMS with other apps, including
> WhatsApp.
dowloading the message but nothing else happens.
Long pressing on the MMS message does not give me an option to forward
the MMS to WhatsApp or any other Wi-Fi app. The only two options
available are to download or delete the message.
I think that there's no good way to solve my problem...
--
tb
arlen holder
Feb 18, 2019, 4:23:21 PM2/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 20:49:33 +0000 (UTC), tb wrote:
> I think that there's no good way to solve my problem...
DISCLAIMER: This is a blunt post, where I assume adults can handle it.
> I think that there's no good way to solve my problem...
Hi tb,
Please take this as purposefully helpful advice.
o Even as it's going to be blunt and factual.
I think there is no evidence that you even _tried_ to solve the problem.
o I think it could be as simple as loading a different SMS/MMS app.
Loading a different app takes less time than it takes to write this post.
Calling T-Mobile takes less time than it takes to write this post.
If you add up the time & energy Carlos & I spent trying to help you,
it's a thousand times the time and energy you "appear" to have spent.
I don't see _any_ evidence that you did _anything_ to solve the problem.
For example, how did it work when you used Pulse or Textra or QKSMS?
And, for example, what did T-Mobile tell you when you asked them?
It appears, from the responses, that you're the _only_ one on the planet
who can't get MMS to work over WiFi (as far as this thread has shown).
Maybe I'm wrong - as it's YOUR phone.
o But if you didn't even _call_ T-Mobile, then you haven't even tried.
o And if you didn't even load another app, then you haven't even tried.
So, sure, if you haven't even tried anything, of course nothing changed.
:)
DISCLAIMER: This is a blunt post, where I assume adults can handle it.
Carlos E.R.
Feb 18, 2019, 4:44:07 PM2/18/19
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On 18/02/2019 21.49, tb wrote:
...
> When I tap on the MMS, the Messages app goes through the motion of
> dowloading the message but nothing else happens.
>
> Long pressing on the MMS message does not give me an option to forward
> the MMS to WhatsApp or any other Wi-Fi app. The only two options
> available are to download or delete the message.
Forwarding may not be possible because it has not been downloaded.
>
> I think that there's no good way to solve my problem...
Ask your provider. Really, do.
It is even possible that your provider has a web site with a FAQ that
explains common solutions. T-mobile does, for instance, and it solved my
problem with them when I visited. Actually, one of their response emails
pointed to the proper link.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
...
> When I tap on the MMS, the Messages app goes through the motion of
> dowloading the message but nothing else happens.
>
> Long pressing on the MMS message does not give me an option to forward
> the MMS to WhatsApp or any other Wi-Fi app. The only two options
> available are to download or delete the message.
>
> I think that there's no good way to solve my problem...
It is even possible that your provider has a web site with a FAQ that
explains common solutions. T-mobile does, for instance, and it solved my
problem with them when I visited. Actually, one of their response emails
pointed to the proper link.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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