What and Where is my HEX/MEI number?

[help...@chicago.com]

I have googled the subject, but still cannot find it. I have a new
Galaxy TAB4 8 (white). The Samsung site where I tried to register
this thing wants a HEX/MEI number, but it will not accept any number I
copy from my tablet. Nor the purchase date either, for that matter.
Why should registering their product be this difficult?

Thanks

Who

[Roland Perry]

In message <sm3daadpijm9r4vo4...@4ax.com>, at 07:31:40 on
Fri, 2 Jan 2015, help...@chicago.com remarked:

>I have googled the subject, but still cannot find it. I have a new
>Galaxy TAB4 8 (white). The Samsung site where I tried to register
>this thing wants a HEX/MEI number, but it will not accept any number I
>copy from my tablet.

https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-11571
--
Roland Perry

[help...@chicago.com]

On Fri, 2 Jan 2015 13:13:31 +0000, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

Thanks.

I have already done this:
From any home screen, tap Apps.
Tap Settings.
Select the General tab.
Tap About device.
Tap Status.
View the IMEI number.

I can find no 'IMEI' in the result:

I have:
Model number SM-T330NU
Android version 4.4.2
Kernel version 3.4.0-3266519
DPI@swdd6104 #1
Wed Nov 12 20:02:44 KST 2014
Build number KOT49H.T330NUUEU1ANK1

SE for android status Enforcing
SEPF_SM-T330NU_4.4.2_0011
Wed Nov 12 20:02:22 2014

which is the IMEI?

Thanks

Who

[Andy Burns]

help...@chicago.com wrote:

> I can find no 'IMEI' in the result:

Sounds like you may not have tapped "Status" where it should show e.g.
battery charge% and if you scroll down, IMEI and various IP, MAC
addresses and serial number ... unless Samsung shuffle the order of
status fields ...

[help...@chicago.com]

Hmmm

I see:
Battery status
Battery level
IP address
WI-FI MAC address
Bluetooth address
Ethernet MAC address
Serial number
Up time
Device status

That's it.

Thanks

Who

[Andy Burns]

help...@chicago.com wrote:

> Hmmm
> I see:
> That's it.

Is this a 3G/LTE enabled tablet? Looks like it has WiFi only to me, try
giving it the serial number instead

[help...@chicago.com]

WUDN'T TAKE IT

S/N: R52FC0G6MKT

Who

[help...@chicago.com]

Never mind.
I decided to restart the Samsung registration page in IExplorer
instead of Google. Guess what? Registration worked.

Thanks for all helps.

Who

[Roland Perry]

In message <u5adaap0qao65f14b...@4ax.com>, at 09:21:18 on

Fri, 2 Jan 2015, help...@chicago.com remarked:

>>Sounds like you may not have tapped "Status" where it should show e.g.
>>battery charge% and if you scroll down, IMEI and various IP, MAC
>>addresses and serial number ... unless Samsung shuffle the order of
>>status fields ...
>>
>
>Hmmm
>
>I see:
>Battery status
>Battery level

There's a huge swathe of stuff missing in here:

Network
Signal Strength
Mobile Network Type
Service State
Roaming
Mobile Network State
My Phone Number
IMEI
IMEI SV

>IP address
>WI-FI MAC address
>Bluetooth address
>Ethernet MAC address
>Serial number
>Up time
>Device status
>
>That's it.
>
>Thanks

--
Roland Perry

[Ralph Fox]

Are you _scrolling_ the status window? To scroll the status window,
swipe upwards.

When I bring up the status window I see only 8 entries immediately.
But by scrolling, I can see a total of 16 entries.

There is lots of stuff missing from your list (as Roland Perry
has already pointed out).


--
Kind regards
Ralph

[Roland Perry]

In message <kfrdaahatmvha4e88...@4ax.com>, at 08:20:23 on
Sat, 3 Jan 2015, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> remarked:

>> Hmmm
>>
>> I see:
>> Battery status
>> Battery level
>> IP address
>> WI-FI MAC address
>> Bluetooth address
>> Ethernet MAC address
>> Serial number
>> Up time
>> Device status
>>
>> That's it.
>
>
>Are you _scrolling_ the status window? To scroll the status window,
>swipe upwards.
>
>When I bring up the status window I see only 8 entries immediately.
>But by scrolling, I can see a total of 16 entries.

If he hadn't scrolled he would not have got as far as IP address and the
entries after that.
--
Roland Perry

[Frank Slootweg]

And, as Andy Burns hinted at, this being a *tablet*, it probably has
no 'phone' part - i.e. no SIM - and hence no IMEI number.

[nospam]

In article <cgocu6...@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg

<th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>
> And, as Andy Burns hinted at, this being a *tablet*, it probably has
> no 'phone' part - i.e. no SIM - and hence no IMEI number.

most tablets do have a phone part and therefore a sim and imei.

people want mobile access and not restricted to wifi only.

[Rod Speed]

"nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:020120151553355276%nos...@nospam.invalid...

> In article <cgocu6...@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> And, as Andy Burns hinted at, this being a *tablet*, it probably has
>> no 'phone' part - i.e. no SIM - and hence no IMEI number.

> most tablets do have a phone part and therefore a sim and imei.

Bullshit. Plenty are wifi only.

> people want mobile access and not restricted to wifi only.

Plenty are happy with wifi only.

[tlvp]

On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 15:53:35 -0500, nospam opined:

> ... most tablets do have a phone part ...

Certainly those that are phablets do have; but those that aren't? -- don't.

Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

[nospam]

In article <1ngal2m2hd17a.1m8d616p6ti4c$.d...@40tude.net>, tlvp

<mPiOsUcB...@att.net> wrote:

> > ... most tablets do have a phone part ...
>
> Certainly those that are phablets do have; but those that aren't? -- don't.

plenty do, including the nexus 7, galaxy tab and ipads.

people want connectivity while out and about which means it has to have
a cellular radio. not everyone does of course, but a lot do and that's
why there are tablets with a cellular radio as well as ones without.

[Rod Speed]

"nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:020120152201138738%nos...@nospam.invalid...

> In article <1ngal2m2hd17a.1m8d616p6ti4c$.d...@40tude.net>, tlvp
> <mPiOsUcB...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> > ... most tablets do have a phone part ...
>>
>> Certainly those that are phablets do have; but those that aren't? --
>> don't.
>
> plenty do, including the nexus 7, galaxy tab and ipads.

Plenty of galaxy tab and ipads don't.

> people want connectivity while out and about

Not necessarily with tablets.

> which means it has to have a cellular radio.

Nope, plenty have plenty of wifi.

> not everyone does of course, but a lot do and that's why
> there are tablets with a cellular radio as well as ones without.

And those without outsell those with cellular radios.

[Mike Yetto]

While walking through the streets of Soho in the rain
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote...

There is a WiFi only option for a large percentage of tablets
including Galaxy Tabs and Notes, which is why it is possible to
not have an IMEI number to find.

Mike "or was the OP forgotten in this _discussion_?" Yetto
--
"There is nothing we need to believe on insufficient evidence in
order to have deeply ethical and spiritual lives."
- Sam Harris

[scarecrow]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>people want connectivity while out and about which means it has to have
>a cellular radio.

Not necessarily.

WiFi tablets can also be used when out and about. All it takes is a
phone with a hotspot. In my case I would be nuts to pay extra for a
tablet with cellular capability since my carrier (Verizon) includes
the hotspot at no extra charge whereas if I want to use a cellular
capable tablet it's an extra $10/mo connection fee.

[nospam]

In article <mvseaa5ds5blv0sie...@4ax.com>, scarecrow

tablets are pay as you go, so you can pay only for the months you need
it.

better yet, t-mobile has a free plan for 200 meg/mo which for casual
use when not near wifi is plenty. it's completely free, no strings
attached.

[nospam]

In article
<slrn201501022303...@may.eternal-september.org>, Mike

Yetto <unet.li...@xoxy.net> wrote:

> >> > ... most tablets do have a phone part ...
> >>
> >> Certainly those that are phablets do have; but those that aren't? -- don't.
>
> > plenty do, including the nexus 7, galaxy tab and ipads.
>
> > people want connectivity while out and about which means it has to have
> > a cellular radio. not everyone does of course, but a lot do and that's
> > why there are tablets with a cellular radio as well as ones without.
>
> There is a WiFi only option for a large percentage of tablets
> including Galaxy Tabs and Notes, which is why it is possible to
> not have an IMEI number to find.

what matters is which ones people buy.

[Rod Speed]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote

> scarecrow <scarec...@13001straws.com> wrote

>>> people want connectivity while out and about
>>> which means it has to have a cellular radio.

>> Not necessarily.

>> WiFi tablets can also be used when out and about.
>> All it takes is a phone with a hotspot.

He's right.

>> In my case I would be nuts to pay extra for a tablet with
>> cellular capability since my carrier (Verizon) includes the
>> hotspot at no extra charge whereas if I want to use a
>> cellular capable tablet it's an extra $10/mo connection fee.

In my case I can get a SIM for the tablet for free and only
pay for the data I use, no monthly fee, but since I hardly
ever cart the tablet around with me when out of the house, it
makes a lot more sense to use the free hotspot in the phone.

> tablets are pay as you go,

Bullshit. Plenty of them arent.

> so you can pay only for the months you need it.

But it still makes more sense to use the phone hotspot.

> better yet, t-mobile has a free plan for 200 meg/mo
> which for casual use when not near wifi is plenty.
> it's completely free, no strings attached.

Fuck all carriers have that.

[Rod Speed]

"nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:020120152357548771%nos...@nospam.invalid...

And more buy them with no cellular radio than buy one with one.

[Andy Burns]

nospam wrote:

> plenty do, including the nexus 7, galaxy tab and ipads

Some nexus 7 do, some galaxy tab do, some iPads do, not all.

> tablets are pay as you go

Some tablets are, not all.

[scarecrow]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>In article <mvseaa5ds5blv0sie...@4ax.com>, scarecrow
><scarec...@13001straws.com> wrote:
>
>> >people want connectivity while out and about which means it has to have
>> >a cellular radio.
>>
>> Not necessarily.
>>
>> WiFi tablets can also be used when out and about. All it takes is a
>> phone with a hotspot. In my case I would be nuts to pay extra for a
>> tablet with cellular capability since my carrier (Verizon) includes
>> the hotspot at no extra charge whereas if I want to use a cellular
>> capable tablet it's an extra $10/mo connection fee.
>
>tablets are pay as you go, so you can pay only for the months you need
>it.

Depends on the carrier and the plan as to what you have to pay for
cellular capable tablet access. As I said (above) it would cost me an
extra $10/mo:

http://www.verizonwireless.com/wcms/consumer/explore/tablets.html

And of course there also is the added up front cost you have to pay
when you initially buy a cellular capable tablet.

With my phone's hotspot I have a choice of several WiFi tablets to
take out with me. I'd hate to think what it would cost if they all had
to be cellular capable.

>better yet, t-mobile has a free plan for 200 meg/mo which for casual
>use when not near wifi is plenty. it's completely free, no strings
>attached.

The last time I was at Universal Studios Hollywood my son-in-law had
no T-Mobile signal. I had to give him a (Verizon) hotspot so that he
could check his email. If your carrier has poor coverage when you need
it then cheap is not worth it.

But if I ever do change carriers all I have to change is my phone...
not all my tablets... 8-O

[Mike Yetto]

While walking through the streets of Soho in the rain
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote...

Some might say that what matters for this thread is answering the
OP's question. IE. Where can I find the IMEI number for this
tablet?

That begs the question, "Can the tablet be connected to a mobile
network as a phone?"

Mike "if not then there isn't one" Yetto
--
"Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it
is always the strongly marked feature of all religions
established by law."
- Thomas Paine

[nospam]

In article <ei8faa9c04rtd2tko...@4ax.com>, scarecrow

<scarec...@13001straws.com> wrote:

> >> >people want connectivity while out and about which means it has to have
> >> >a cellular radio.
> >>
> >> Not necessarily.
> >>
> >> WiFi tablets can also be used when out and about. All it takes is a
> >> phone with a hotspot. In my case I would be nuts to pay extra for a
> >> tablet with cellular capability since my carrier (Verizon) includes
> >> the hotspot at no extra charge whereas if I want to use a cellular
> >> capable tablet it's an extra $10/mo connection fee.
> >
> >tablets are pay as you go, so you can pay only for the months you need
> >it.
>
> Depends on the carrier and the plan as to what you have to pay for
> cellular capable tablet access. As I said (above) it would cost me an
> extra $10/mo:
>
> http://www.verizonwireless.com/wcms/consumer/explore/tablets.html

those aren't the only plans they offer and there is no requirement that
you use verizon anyway. all verizion lte devices are unlocked.

as i said, t-mobile is free.

> And of course there also is the added up front cost you have to pay
> when you initially buy a cellular capable tablet.

true but you do get additional functionality in doing so.

> With my phone's hotspot I have a choice of several WiFi tablets to
> take out with me. I'd hate to think what it would cost if they all had
> to be cellular capable.

why so many tablets?

> >better yet, t-mobile has a free plan for 200 meg/mo which for casual
> >use when not near wifi is plenty. it's completely free, no strings
> >attached.
>
> The last time I was at Universal Studios Hollywood my son-in-law had
> no T-Mobile signal. I had to give him a (Verizon) hotspot so that he
> could check his email. If your carrier has poor coverage when you need
> it then cheap is not worth it.

every carrier has dead spots and they're not all the same. what matters
is which carrier has coverage where you want to use it, and for free,
who cares. it's not like you're losing anything.

how often are you at universal studios, anyway?

> But if I ever do change carriers all I have to change is my phone...
> not all my tablets... 8-O

you don't have to change anything other than a sim.

[Frank Slootweg]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <cgocu6...@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> > And, as Andy Burns hinted at, this being a *tablet*, it probably has
> > no 'phone' part - i.e. no SIM - and hence no IMEI number.
>
> most tablets do have a phone part and therefore a sim and imei.

Not in our universe they don't. Not by number of models and not by
number of units sold.

> people want mobile access and not restricted to wifi only.

As mentioned in another response, that doesn't neccessarly require a
phablet.

[Frank Slootweg]

Mike Yetto <unet.li...@xoxy.net> wrote:
[...]

> Some might say that what matters for this thread is answering the
> OP's question. IE. Where can I find the IMEI number for this
> tablet?

The OP had a *problem* and asked some *questions* which he *thought*
were *related* to that problem. Later the OP reported that the problem
had been solved and hence the questions are irrelevant and hence we
(TINW) are free to discuss anything we damn well please, thank you very
much!

[...]

[Frank Slootweg]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
[...]

> tablets are pay as you go, so you can pay only for the months you need
> it.

Where DO you get this kind of nonsense from!? The service provider of
the *SIM* determines if the service is PAYG or not.

I hope that you don't mind that I'm using a *Vodafone* SIM in a
*Huawei* device and that Vodafone had the audacity of not even
*bothering* to inform Huawei of the conditions of their (Vodafone's)
service.

[Frank Slootweg]

Can you please stop making sense!? nospam carefully constructed
another fallacy and now you're spoling it!

[scarecrow]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

><scarec...@13001straws.com> wrote:

>> Depends on the carrier and the plan as to what you have to pay for

>> cellular capable tablet access. As I said it would cost me an

>> extra $10/mo:
>>
>> http://www.verizonwireless.com/wcms/consumer/explore/tablets.html
>
>those aren't the only plans they offer and there is no requirement that
>you use verizon anyway.

That may be true but has nothing to do with your original claims:

"people want connectivity while out and about which means it has to

have a cellular radio." Untrue. A WiFi only tablet will work when
out and about with a phone's hotspot.

"tablets are pay as you go, so you can pay only for the months you

need it. Untrue as an absolute statement. Different carriers have
different tablet plans.

>as i said, t-mobile is free.

My *guess* is that most people do the small stuff like checking email
on their phones. If they bring a tablet along it is likely for more
serious work. IMO 250 MB is pretty light for any serious stuff. BTW
what does T-Mobile charge for overage or do they just cut you off?

>> And of course there also is the added up front cost you have to pay
>> when you initially buy a cellular capable tablet.
>
>true but you do get additional functionality in doing so.

Since most of us carry a phone at all times anyway what extra
functionality does a cell enabled tablet possess?

>> With my phone's hotspot I have a choice of several WiFi tablets to
>> take out with me. I'd hate to think what it would cost if they all had
>> to be cellular capable.
>
>why so many tablets?

I like my electronic toys. BTW they've been selling WiFi capable 7" no
name Android tablets for $29 in my area. One of my grandkids got one.
It seems to work quite well. Amazing.

>every carrier has dead spots and they're not all the same. what matters
>is which carrier has coverage where you want to use it,

True. When I start being the one with no signal instead of others in a
group I'll start looking around.

>and for free,
>who cares. it's not like you're losing anything.

But you see Verizon gives me a hotspot for free. (Definition of free
is no extra charge.)

>how often are you at universal studios, anyway?

Maybe once a year. But that was just one example of several similar
incidents for ME. YMMV.

>> But if I ever do change carriers all I have to change is my phone...
>> not all my tablets... 8-O

>you don't have to change anything other than a sim.

A little Googling shows that not all cell enabled tablets work with
all carriers though it's getting better.

[The Real Bev]

T-mobile coverage sucks unless you're near a freeway or in a city, but
Universal is both. Still, good enough for my purposes; I rarely have
to make a call while skiing (the only real dead spot I've had so far),
and if I do I can use their open wifi and Talkatone.

I wish I could get T-Mobile's SIM for the 200 MB/mo, but they don't
offer it for my phone and my tablet isn't a phablet.

> But if I ever do change carriers all I have to change is my phone...
> not all my tablets... 8-O

--
Cheers, Bev
===================================================================
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can
only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote
themselves largess out of the public treasury."
-- Alexander Tyler (Unverified)

[scarecrow]

The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I wish I could get T-Mobile's SIM for the 200 MB/mo, but they don't
>offer it for my phone and my tablet isn't a phablet.

No hotspot available on your phone? If not there used to be 3rd party
apps that made a hotspot. When Verizon was charging a monthly fee for
its hotspot they were used by many to avoided the charge. Course it's
not a free 250 MB but still probably lots cheaper than buying a
T-Mobile compatible tablet.

[The Real Bev]

We bought a supposedly 'free wifi' hotspot (can't remember the name) for
~$30, but it demanded a credit card before it would operate and got
rotten reviews so we returned it. It's not worth more than a flat $30
or so, or maybe $1/month, but it's not something I really need.

--
Cheers, Bev
===================================
If you are going to try cross-country skiing,
start with a small country.

[Ralph Fox]

On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 11:22:21 -0500, Mike Yetto wrote:

> That begs the question, "Can the tablet be connected to a mobile
> network as a phone?"

My 10" tablet can be connected to a mobile network, but not as
a phone. The cellular part supports data but not voice.


--
Kind regards
Ralph

[scarecrow]

The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 01/03/2015 09:32 PM, scarecrow wrote:

>> No hotspot available on your phone? If not there used to be 3rd party
>> apps that made a hotspot. When Verizon was charging a monthly fee for
>> its hotspot they were used by many to avoided the charge. Course it's
>> not a free 250 MB but still probably lots cheaper than buying a
>> T-Mobile compatible tablet.
>
>We bought a supposedly 'free wifi' hotspot (can't remember the name) for
>~$30, but it demanded a credit card before it would operate and got
>rotten reviews so we returned it. It's not worth more than a flat $30
>or so, or maybe $1/month, but it's not something I really need.

The hotspot I've been referring to is an app (not a device) installed
on my phone. It takes my phone's 4G cellular data service and
retransmits it using the phone's WiFi so that any nearby WiFi only
tablet can use my 4G connection.

Disregard if you already knew this but from your post I wasn't sure.

[Bob Martin]

in 16284 20150103 162221 Mike Yetto <unet.li...@xoxy.net> wrote:
>While walking through the streets of Soho in the rain
>nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote...
>> In article
>> <slrn201501022303...@may.eternal-september.org>, Mike
>> Yetto <unet.li...@xoxy.net> wrote:
>
>>> >> > ... most tablets do have a phone part ...
>>> >>
>>> >> Certainly those that are phablets do have; but those that aren't? -- don't.
>>>
>>> > plenty do, including the nexus 7, galaxy tab and ipads.
>>>
>>> > people want connectivity while out and about which means it has to have
>>> > a cellular radio. not everyone does of course, but a lot do and that's
>>> > why there are tablets with a cellular radio as well as ones without.
>>>
>>> There is a WiFi only option for a large percentage of tablets
>>> including Galaxy Tabs and Notes, which is why it is possible to
>>> not have an IMEI number to find.
>
>> what matters is which ones people buy.
>
>Some might say that what matters for this thread is answering the
>OP's question. IE. Where can I find the IMEI number for this
>tablet?
>
>That begs the question, "Can the tablet be connected to a mobile
>network as a phone?"

http://begthequestion.info/

[Andy Burns]

Bob Martin wrote:

> Mike Yetto wrote:
>
>> That begs the question, "Can the tablet be connected to a mobile
>> network as a phone?"
>
> http://begthequestion.info/

Rightly or wrongly, usage changes. Someone should have published that
website 4 or 5 decades ago if they wanted to "defend" the original usage ;-)

[John B. Slocomb]

Question: In your case is it separate app running on your phone?

I have a 4.4.2 phone and it has a wi-fi hotspot built in as part of
the system. I don't use it but after reading your above I turned it on
and my tablet identifies it as AndroidAP, It is protected by wpa2 and
says that wps is available.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[nospam]

In article <cgr09h...@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg

<th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> > tablets are pay as you go, so you can pay only for the months you need
> > it.
>
> Where DO you get this kind of nonsense from!?

its not nonsense.

here's how to set up verizon:
<http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/knowledge-base-46018/>

other carriers have their own instructions although they are not
significantly different.

> The service provider of
> the *SIM* determines if the service is PAYG or not.

actually it's the specific plan that the user chooses, not the carrier,
since a carrier can offer *both* pay as you go and contractual.

however, for tablets, it's generally pay as you go, unless a user adds
their tablet to an existing phone plan as a matter of convenience.

[nospam]

In article <pcngaatb5e4a4hln3...@4ax.com>, scarecrow

<scarec...@13001straws.com> wrote:

> >> Depends on the carrier and the plan as to what you have to pay for
> >> cellular capable tablet access. As I said it would cost me an
> >> extra $10/mo:
> >>
> >> http://www.verizonwireless.com/wcms/consumer/explore/tablets.html
> >
> >those aren't the only plans they offer and there is no requirement that
> >you use verizon anyway.
>
> That may be true but has nothing to do with your original claims:
>
> "people want connectivity while out and about which means it has to
> have a cellular radio." Untrue. A WiFi only tablet will work when
> out and about with a phone's hotspot.

assuming you have a phone which has a tethering plan. not everyone
does. it's also a hassle to set up each time.

> "tablets are pay as you go, so you can pay only for the months you
> need it. Untrue as an absolute statement. Different carriers have
> different tablet plans.

of course, but most are pay as you go because they know that people
don't want two plans and that tethering is a hassle.

they might also offer a contractual plan because it's convenient (and
sometimes worthwhile) to add a device to an existing plan and share
bandwidth.

> >as i said, t-mobile is free.
>
> My *guess* is that most people do the small stuff like checking email
> on their phones. If they bring a tablet along it is likely for more
> serious work. IMO 250 MB is pretty light for any serious stuff. BTW
> what does T-Mobile charge for overage or do they just cut you off?

it cuts you off.

no payment information is provided so there isn't a way to charge you
at all, so the only option is cutting it off.

they do have paid plans with more than 200 meg and they're hoping that
people sign up for one of those.

as for what people do with the 200 meg, it obviously varies per person.
i've used it to remote access to my systems at home, which on a phone
is an exercise in futility.

> >> And of course there also is the added up front cost you have to pay
> >> when you initially buy a cellular capable tablet.
> >
> >true but you do get additional functionality in doing so.
>
> Since most of us carry a phone at all times anyway what extra
> functionality does a cell enabled tablet possess?

mainly not being tied to a phone.

a cell-enabled tablet means being online all the time and able to get
push notifications or other alerts at any time, not needing to
configure a phone to get online and being able to use both a phone and
a tablet at the same time (some carriers, such as the ones which use
cdma, can't do simultaneous voice/data).

> >> With my phone's hotspot I have a choice of several WiFi tablets to
> >> take out with me. I'd hate to think what it would cost if they all had
> >> to be cellular capable.
> >
> >why so many tablets?
>
> I like my electronic toys. BTW they've been selling WiFi capable 7" no
> name Android tablets for $29 in my area. One of my grandkids got one.
> It seems to work quite well. Amazing.

nobody expects a $29 tablet to have a cell radio.

> >every carrier has dead spots and they're not all the same. what matters
> >is which carrier has coverage where you want to use it,
>
> True. When I start being the one with no signal instead of others in a
> group I'll start looking around.
>
> >and for free,
> >who cares. it's not like you're losing anything.
>
> But you see Verizon gives me a hotspot for free. (Definition of free
> is no extra charge.)

you're paying for it in your monthly plan.

> >how often are you at universal studios, anyway?
>
> Maybe once a year. But that was just one example of several similar
> incidents for ME. YMMV.

so not a big deal.

t-mobile's coverage is not as good as verizon but it's also quite a bit
cheaper. whether the difference matters depends on many factors.

> >> But if I ever do change carriers all I have to change is my phone...
> >> not all my tablets... 8-O
>
> >you don't have to change anything other than a sim.
>
> A little Googling shows that not all cell enabled tablets work with
> all carriers though it's getting better.

all verizon lte devices are unlocked (phone or tablet) and most tablets
are unlocked (all ipads are regardless of carrier), so all it takes is
swapping a sim.

[nospam]

In article <m8af1f$c71$1...@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev

<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wish I could get T-Mobile's SIM for the 200 MB/mo, but they don't
> offer it for my phone and my tablet isn't a phablet.

it's a tablet-only plan.

they explicitly block phones and phablets.

[scarecrow]

John B. Slocomb <sloc...@invalid.com> wrote:

>Question: In your case is it [hotspot] separate app
>running on your phone?

My Verizon hotspot app is probably not 'separate' in that it is likely
designed for my phone and probably wouldn't work on yours. However
there are separate hotspot apps available.

>I have a 4.4.2 phone and it has a wi-fi hotspot built in as part of
>the system. I don't use it but after reading your above I turned it on
>and my tablet identifies it as AndroidAP, It is protected by wpa2 and
>says that wps is available.

My app allows me to name the SSID and can be open or WPA2.

As I've said, I've lent my 4G out when others didn't have a signal so
it has come in handy on several occasions.

[scarecrow]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

><scarec...@13001straws.com> wrote:

>>A WiFi only tablet will work when
>> out and about with a phone's hotspot.

> it's also a hassle to set up each time.

On mine I just push 2 buttons. What could be easier?

I push the hotspot 'app icon' and then push the hotspot 'on' button.
My tablets remember the SSID and password from the original connection
and connects automatically.

>>Different carriers have different tablet plans.
>
>of course, but most are pay as you go because they know that people
>don't want two plans and that tethering is a hassle.

Any proof that "most" tablet users are in pay as you go plans?

>> what does T-Mobile charge for overage or do they just cut you off?
>
>it cuts you off.

Nice.

>they do have paid plans with more than 200 meg and they're hoping that
>people sign up for one of those.

Of course. That would be T-Mobile's equivalent of a loss leader.

>> Since most of us carry a phone at all times anyway what extra
>> functionality does a cell enabled tablet possess?
>
>mainly not being tied to a phone.
>
>a cell-enabled tablet means being online all the time

I could leave my hotspot on all the time and get the same effect.
.

> not needing to configure a phone to get online

It only has to be done once.

>and being able to use both a phone and
>a tablet at the same time (some carriers, such as the ones which use
>cdma, can't do simultaneous voice/data).

Score one for you. Though I'm trying to picture you juggling a phone
on your shoulder while you jot stuff on your tablet.

>> BTW they've been selling WiFi capable 7" no
>> name Android tablets for $29 in my area. One of my grandkids got one.
>> It seems to work quite well. Amazing.
>
>nobody expects a $29 tablet to have a cell radio.

I didn't expect a cell radio for $29. It was an aside, a BTW comment.
I was amazed that a $29 tablet could be almost as functional and do
virtually everything that my $229 (original price) Nexus 7 could do.

>> But you see Verizon gives me a hotspot for free. (Definition of free
>> is no extra charge.)
>
>you're paying for it in your monthly plan.

Buying a cellular equipped tablet to make use of T-Moblle's free data
would be a lot less free for me than using my free included Verizon
hotspot app. And my data doesn't stop at 250MB so I could continue to
carry my tablet beyond the first two weeks.

>all verizon lte devices are unlocked (phone or tablet) and most tablets
>are unlocked (all ipads are regardless of carrier), so all it takes is
>swapping a sim.

Not if the GSM radio frequencies don't match.

"your phone still may not work on any or every GSM network around
town. It still needs to be compatible with the specific radio
frequencies that your new network uses."

http://www.whistleout.com/CellPhones/Guides/Can-I-use-my-verizon-sprint-phone-on-a-different-network

[The Real Bev]

The intent is cheap or free wifi to make wifi 'phone' calls. Paying
additional money to use my phone as a hotspot for other devices would be
counterproductive :-)

--
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====================================
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police officer than from an actual pig.

[scarecrow]

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 10:40:29 -0800, The Real Bev

<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 01/03/2015 11:53 PM, scarecrow wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 01/03/2015 09:32 PM, scarecrow wrote:
>>
>>>> No hotspot available on your phone? If not there used to be 3rd party
>>>> apps that made a hotspot. When Verizon was charging a monthly fee for
>>>> its hotspot they were used by many to avoided the charge. Course it's
>>>> not a free 250 MB but still probably lots cheaper than buying a
>>>> T-Mobile compatible tablet.
>>>
>>>We bought a supposedly 'free wifi' hotspot (can't remember the name) for
>>>~$30, but it demanded a credit card before it would operate and got
>>>rotten reviews so we returned it. It's not worth more than a flat $30
>>>or so, or maybe $1/month, but it's not something I really need.
>>
>> The hotspot I've been referring to is an app (not a device) installed
>> on my phone. It takes my phone's 4G cellular data service and
>> retransmits it using the phone's WiFi so that any nearby WiFi only
>> tablet can use my 4G connection.
>>
>> Disregard if you already knew this but from your post I wasn't sure.
>
>The intent is cheap or free wifi to make wifi 'phone' calls.

In the sub-thread that I was responding to the discussion was using a
cellular equipped tablet in comparison to using a phone/hotspot and a
WiFi equipped tablet. YMMV.

>Paying
>additional money to use my phone as a hotspot for other devices would be
>counterproductive :-)

I agree that paying for a phone's hotspot service would be bad. Mine
is no extra charge. I didn't know any carrier did that anymore with
data being metered these days. When Verizon used to do it it was on
their Unlimited data plan. But even then there were 3rd party hotspot
apps to avoid the charge.

[Rod Speed]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote

> Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

>>> tablets are pay as you go, so you can
>>> pay only for the months you need it.

>> Where DO you get this kind of nonsense from!?

> its not nonsense.

Its complete and utter pig ignorant nonsense.

> here's how to set up verizon:
> <http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/knowledge-base-46018/>

Irrelevant to how all tablets do it.

> other carriers have their own instructions

And don't have anything tablet specific with many of them.

> although they are not significantly different.

BULLSHIT.

>> The service provider of the *SIM*
>> determines if the service is PAYG or not.

> actually it's the specific plan that the user chooses, not the carrier,
> since a carrier can offer *both* pay as you go and contractual.

> however, for tablets, it's generally pay as you go,

Wrong, as always.

> unless a user adds their tablet to an existing
> phone plan as a matter of convenience.

Wrong, as always.

With plenty of carriers there is no distinction
between tablets and phones at all.

[Rod Speed]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote

> scarecrow <scarec...@13001straws.com> wrote

>>>> Depends on the carrier and the plan as to what you have to pay for
>>>> cellular capable tablet access. As I said it would cost me an extra
>>>> $10/mo:

>>>> http://www.verizonwireless.com/wcms/consumer/explore/tablets.html

>>> those aren't the only plans they offer and there
>>> is no requirement that you use verizon anyway.

>> That may be true but has nothing to do with your original claims:

>> "people want connectivity while out and about which means
>> it has to have a cellular radio." Untrue. A WiFi only tablet
>> will work when out and about with a phone's hotspot.

> assuming you have a phone which has a tethering plan.

Don't need anything special plan wise with most carriers.

> not everyone does. it's also a hassle to set up each time.

Pigs arse it is. Just turn the hotspot on by tapping the button.

Even you should be able to manage that if someone was actually
stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

>> "tablets are pay as you go, so you can pay only
>> for the months you need it. Untrue as an absolute
>> statement. Different carriers have different tablet plans.

And plenty don't have anything different for tablets and phones.

> of course, but most are pay as you go

BULLSHIT.

> because they know that people don't want two plans

Some allow you to have multiple devices on the one plan, stupid.

> and that tethering is a hassle.

Pigs arse it is.

> they might also offer a contractual plan because it's
> convenient (and sometimes worthwhile) to add a
> device to an existing plan and share bandwidth.

So your original was just plain wrong, as always.

>>> as i said, t-mobile is free.

>> My *guess* is that most people do the small stuff like checking
>> email on their phones. If they bring a tablet along it is likely for more
>> serious work. IMO 250 MB is pretty light for any serious stuff. BTW
>> what does T-Mobile charge for overage or do they just cut you off?

> it cuts you off.

> no payment information is provided so there isn't a way
> to charge you at all, so the only option is cutting it off.

> they do have paid plans with more than 200 meg and
> they're hoping that people sign up for one of those.

> as for what people do with the 200 meg, it obviously
> varies per person. i've used it to remote access to my
> systems at home, which on a phone is an exercise in futility.

BULLSHIT.

>>>> And of course there also is the added up front cost you
>>>> have to pay when you initially buy a cellular capable tablet.

>>> true but you do get additional functionality in doing so.

>> Since most of us carry a phone at all times anyway what
>> extra functionality does a cell enabled tablet possess?

> mainly not being tied to a phone.

It isnt tied at all and most have the phone with them anyway.

> a cell-enabled tablet means being online all the time and able
> to get push notifications or other alerts at any time, not needing
> to configure a phone to get online and being able to use both a
> phone and a tablet at the same time (some carriers, such as the
> ones which use cdma, can't do simultaneous voice/data).

Fuck all don't anymore.

>>>> With my phone's hotspot I have a choice of several
>>>> WiFi tablets to take out with me. I'd hate to think what
>>>> it would cost if they all had to be cellular capable.

>>> why so many tablets?

>> I like my electronic toys. BTW they've been selling WiFi capable
>> 7" no name Android tablets for $29 in my area. One of my
>> grandkids got one. It seems to work quite well. Amazing.

> nobody expects a $29 tablet to have a cell radio.

Wrong, as always.

>>> every carrier has dead spots and they're not all the same. what
>>> matters is which carrier has coverage where you want to use it,

>> True. When I start being the one with no signal instead
>> of others in a group I'll start looking around.

>> >and for free,who cares. it's not like you're losing anything.

>> But you see Verizon gives me a hotspot for free.
>> (Definition of free is no extra charge.)

> you're paying for it in your monthly plan.

Nope, THERE IS NO EXTRA CHARGE.

>>> how often are you at universal studios, anyway?

>> Maybe once a year. But that was just one example
>> of several similar incidents for ME. YMMV.

> so not a big deal.

It is when it doesn't work when you need it.

> t-mobile's coverage is not as good as verizon but it's also quite a bit
> cheaper. whether the difference matters depends on many factors.

Duh.

>>>> But if I ever do change carriers all I have to change
>>>> is my phone... not all my tablets... 8-O

>>> you don't have to change anything other than a sim.

>> A little Googling shows that not all cell enabled tablets
>> work with all carriers though it's getting better.

> all verizon lte devices are unlocked (phone or
> tablet) and most tablets are unlocked (all ipads are
> regardless of carrier), so all it takes is swapping a sim.

Which wont necessarily fit.

[Frank Slootweg]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <cgr09h...@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > tablets are pay as you go, so you can pay only for the months you need
> > > it.
> >
> > Where DO you get this kind of nonsense from!?
>
> its not nonsense.

It is, and since you have - once again - dishonestly, conveniently and
silently snipped my arguments which debunk your non-sense, there you go
(for this subthread):

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