HOW2 send postponed mailS & halt imap?

[Avoi...@gmail.com]

Now I can't re-check the menu at the <postponed mails mode>
because imap is BUSY, and I can't see how to stop it.
Can I stop it from the alpine menues?

But AFAIR <postponed mails mode> has only Forward & Reply
facilities. This seems WRONG, if 'postpone' means 'write
[possibly several] mails and accumulate them, to send all WHEN
you go on-line.

How do I do THAT ?
Does this thing cater for users who have expensive connections
and can't aford to be permanently online ?

==TIA

[Michael Black]

I've always used postpone for when I start something and can't finish it,
because my favorite tv show is on, I want to go to bed, I have to go out.

Or sometimes I start something and can't finish it because I need to think
about it, or look something up. It's a step above "save", where I can
save messages I might want to reply to later, but don't even start a
reply.

And if you actually read the documentation (I admit I havent' read it much
since the early times of 1996 when I first started using Pine).

If there was a batch send, then I'd be sending out all kinds of unfinished
email and usenet posts. Being able to think about something before you
send it is pretty useful, I may have postponed as many messages as I've
sent over the past 17 years.

You need to look elsewhere if you want to send a batch of messages.

Michael

[Avoi...@gmail.com]

In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1...@darkstar.example.org>, Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Mar 2013, Avoi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Now I can't re-check the menu at the <postponed mails mode>
> > because imap is BUSY, and I can't see how to stop it.
> > Can I stop it from the alpine menues?
> >
> > But AFAIR <postponed mails mode> has only Forward & Reply
> > facilities. This seems WRONG, if 'postpone' means 'write
> > [possibly several] mails and accumulate them, to send all WHEN
> > you go on-line.
> >
> > How do I do THAT ?
> > Does this thing cater for users who have expensive connections
> > and can't aford to be permanently online ?
> >

> If there was a batch send, then I'd be sending out all kinds of unfinished
> email and usenet posts. Being able to think about something before you
> send it is pretty useful, I may have postponed as many messages as I've
> sent over the past 17 years.
>
> You need to look elsewhere if you want to send a batch of messages.
>

That's reasonable that 'postponed' mails need to be completed, and
not allowed to be batch-sent.

BUT: the menu for 'postponed' shows only:
<Forward> & <Reply>.

It should have <send> capability.

[Rob Brown]

Wish I'd seen the origin of this thread. Jumping in in the middle
then:

On 2013-03-29, Avoi...@gmail.com <Avoi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2013, Avoi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> > Now I can't re-check the menu at the <postponed mails mode>

The term "postponed mails mode" is unfamiliar to me. When I type C
to compose a message and it asks me if I want to "Continue postponed
composition (answering "No" won't erase it)?" and I say "yes" gets me
to my postponed-msgs folder from which I can select a postponed
message. Do you refer to that?

>> > because imap is BUSY, and I can't see how to stop it.

Never seen that.

>> > But AFAIR <postponed mails mode> has only Forward & Reply

Well if <postponed mails mode> means what I described above, I also
see: < FldrList
P PrevMsg
- PrevPage
D Delete
R Reply
O OTHER CMDS
> [ViewMsg]
N NextMsg
Spc NextPage
U Undelete
F Forward
? Help
M Main Menu
C Compose
Tab NextNew
% Print
S Save
Q Quit Alpine
G GotoFldr
W WhereIs
T TakeAddr
E Export
X eXpunge
; Select
$ SortIndex
H HdrMode
* Flag
A Apply
J Jump
B Bounce
| Pipe
: SelectCur
L ListFldrs
Hme FirstPage
Z ZoomMode
# Role
End LastPage

Of these, "ViewMsg" is the one I use the most. From there, I will
usually continue editting and then send, postpone, or delete the
message.

>> > facilities. This seems WRONG, if 'postpone' means 'write
>> > [possibly several] mails and accumulate them, to send all WHEN
>> > you go on-line.

I don't think that that is what it means.

>> > How do I do THAT ?

Alpine / pine does not seem to have this capability you desire. The
first hit from googling "Alpine delayed sending"
<http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/48941/how-do-i-delay-schedule-sending-a-message-in-alpine-realpine-pine> says that this is the
job of an MTA and suggests running your own local MTA to do this job
for you. This in spite of the fact that user mail programs such as
Eudora and Outlook express have been doing this since the dial-up era.
:-( If you are running windows, I don't see an easy solution for this
requirement that still uses alpine. But others know more than I do.

>> > Does this thing cater for users who have expensive connections
>> > and can't aford to be permanently online ?

Doesn't seem to.

> That's reasonable that 'postponed' mails need to be completed, and
> not allowed to be batch-sent.
>
> BUT: the menu for 'postponed' shows only:
><Forward> & <Reply>.

See my list above. You have [Viewmsg], the default action that you
get by pressing <return>, from which you can continue editting and
then send, or any other operation available when editting a message.

> It should have <send> capability.

As you said, you don't want to send an uncompleted message. View the
message and then send from there.



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Rob Brown mylas...@gmcl.com

[Avoi...@gmail.com]

In article <slrnkljrmc...@libra.gmcl.internal>, Rob Brown <br...@libra.gmcl.internal> wrote:

> --snip--

IMO `pine` is badly designed.
Imagine that you need to walk 2 hours to the postbox.
And then you join a queue of 200 posters.
When you finally get to post, you'll:-
* want to have brought sufficient mails to justify the cost;
* no time to start editing while 200 people are waiting behind you!

If you mount a bus with 8 other passengers, you have your fare
READY?

There should be an OUTBOX which is sends all its contents.

WDYS?

[Michael Black]

No, Pine is designed perfectly. It was intended for running on a Unix
system, that had a separate mail transport system in place. It works
great at home, except for little grumblers who think the world should fit
their situation.

If you don't like the way Pine works, then choose one of a near infinite
number of other mailreaders. Or, add a transport layer between Pine and
your ISP. But dont' come whining to the rest of us about how you need
help setting it up, because you've whined too many times.


Michael

[Rob Brown]

On 2013-04-16, Avoi...@gmail.com <Avoi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> WDYS?

I say that pine will not satisfy your requirements and you should
expand you search for a solution.

But as always, others may know better than I.

I note that you are now cross-posting into comp.mail.misc. I won't be
drawn into that. This discussion will remain in comp.mail.pine.


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Rob Brown mylas...@gmcl.com