NNTP via Pine 4.44

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Gabe Anderson

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Oct 22, 2002, 2:26:51 PM10/22/02
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I would like to read and post messages to newsgroups (particularly
this one) via Pine. I know how to configure Pine to do so, but would
like your suggestions, please, for the best NNTP service to use. My
email/Web host does not offer NNTP, so I need an alternative. I know
there are both free and for-fee services out there, but I'd like some
guidance. Is it worth paying for one? Are there any good free services
out there?

Thanks.

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reply directly.)

Nancy McGough

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Oct 22, 2002, 3:05:23 PM10/22/02
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On 22 Oct 2002 Gabe Anderson (072...@gabeanderson.com) wrote:
> Is it worth paying for one? Are there any good free services
> out there?

Freeshell.org, which I list on my IMAP page, has a good news feed
and the latest Pine installed. For their lowest level account,
the fee is $1, but you might want to go for a higher level
account and support this non-profit.

Good luck,
Nancy

PS - If your primary host is dreamhost.com, they told me they are
thinking of adding a newsfeed so ask them when/if they are going
to do that (maybe if enough of us ask, they will!).


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Pierre-Philipp Braun

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Oct 22, 2002, 7:25:35 PM10/22/02
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On 22 Oct 2002, Gabe Anderson wrote:
> I would like to read and post messages to newsgroups (particularly
> this one) via Pine. I know how to configure Pine to do so, but would
> like your suggestions, please, for the best NNTP service to use. My
> email/Web host does not offer NNTP, so I need an alternative. I know
> there are both free and for-fee services out there, but I'd like some
> guidance. Is it worth paying for one? Are there any good free services
> out there?

The suggestion i could give you is to get the all.patched pine from
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/info/all.html
that contains the Fancy Thread Interface patch

This eneables your pine4.44 to get the poste threated :)

Then, you could setup your .pinerc like that:
feature-list=
delete-skips-deleted,
auto-fancy-thread-screen,
enable-aggregate-command-set,
sort-key=tHread
thread-sort-key=Arrival/Reverse

At least, that's what i do and i'm a happy pine user and news reader :)

Special thanks to Eduardo's patches.

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Will Yardley

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Oct 22, 2002, 11:08:55 PM10/22/02
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In article <38e4c311.02102...@posting.google.com>,
Gabe Anderson wrote:

> I would like to read and post messages to newsgroups (particularly
> this one) via Pine. I know how to configure Pine to do so, but would
> like your suggestions, please, for the best NNTP service to use. My
> email/Web host does not offer NNTP, so I need an alternative. I know
> there are both free and for-fee services out there, but I'd like some
> guidance. Is it worth paying for one? Are there any good free services
> out there?

I'd suggest Supernews; they're fairly cheap, and they get rid of a lot
of hipcrime crud / spam. I had an account with them through Speakeasy
(but SE has unfortunately now switched to Giganews, which isn't too bad
either).

As an employee of above-mentioned email/Web host, you may want to make
another request to support about this - I've been talking to our
marketing folks about getting outsourced news services from Supernews or
a similar provider... the demand isn't that high though.

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Gabe Anderson

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Oct 24, 2002, 6:40:43 PM10/24/02
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Thanks, everyone, for the suggestions.

Will Yardley <&-@no.spam.veggiechinese.net> wrote in message news:<slrnarc4m6.46g.&-...@jazz.hq.newdream.net>...

Thanks, Will. I did so yesterday and received a response that there
are no plans to offer NNTP service. Hopefully that will change in the
future. :)

Thanks, Nancy, for the suggestion re: freeshell.org. I had forgotten
that I had previously created an account with them based on the
recommendation in your IMAP list. I was able to access NNTP through
them just fine. However, I do have a couple questions on that note:

1) I tried to add their NNTP server to my .pinerc file on my Dreamhost
account, but was not able to connect (access not allowed based on
different IP address). Is there any way around that? That is, I'd like
to have a single point of access (via Dreamhost) for various email
accounts and NNTP, without having to SSH into my freeshell account
separately.

2) If the above is not possible and I do have to use freeshell to
access NNTP, is there a way to install Eduardo's Fancy Threads onto
Pine that's intalled there? I tried a wget but permission was denied.
(Sorry if there is an obvious solution.)

Thanks,
Gabe

Will Yardley

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Oct 25, 2002, 2:06:27 AM10/25/02
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In article <b7dc50c3.02102...@posting.google.com>,

Gabe Anderson wrote:

> 2) If the above is not possible and I do have to use freeshell to
> access NNTP, is there a way to install Eduardo's Fancy Threads onto
> Pine that's intalled there? I tried a wget but permission was denied.
> (Sorry if there is an obvious solution.)

Do you have a trial account or a confirmed account? The restricted shell
doesn't let you do a lot, but I imagine you could use ftp or scp with a
confirmed account.

I think there are a couple other free providers, and if you don't mind
paying, you could check out supernews / giganews.

I will talk to our marketing folks again - the people you spoke to
probably gave you the official line, which is that we're not planning on
offering it. :>

Nancy McGough

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Oct 25, 2002, 7:48:53 AM10/25/02
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On 24 Oct 2002 Gabe Anderson (ga_nospam_v...@fastmail.fm) wrote:
>
> Thanks, Nancy, for the suggestion re: freeshell.org. I had forgotten
> that I had previously created an account with them based on the
> recommendation in your IMAP list. I was able to access NNTP through
> them just fine. However, I do have a couple questions on that note:
>
> 1) I tried to add their NNTP server to my .pinerc file on my Dreamhost
> account, but was not able to connect (access not allowed based on
> different IP address). Is there any way around that? That is, I'd like
> to have a single point of access (via Dreamhost) for various email
> accounts and NNTP, without having to SSH into my freeshell account
> separately.

There are two possible ways around this, but I haven't tried
either with freeshell.org.

1) Since they use UW IMAP, you should be able to set up an IMAP
to NNTP proxy, which I describe here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#newsrcRemote>

With this technique, you'll use Pine on Dreamhost to connect via
IMAP to Freeshell (which you should be able to do, right?) and
then connect to the NNTP server from there. Details are in the
link above and the google links I give there.

2) An alternative is to ssh from Dreamhost to Freeshell and
forward a random port that's higher than 1024 to their NNTP port
(usually port 119). Then in your pinerc set the news server to

localhost:localport#

for example

localhost:1119

I have links to information about this here.

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#ssh>

I think this will only work if their news server is actually on
the same machine that you ssh to (and I don't think that's the
case at Freeshell).


> 2) If the above is not possible and I do have to use freeshell to
> access NNTP, is there a way to install Eduardo's Fancy Threads onto
> Pine that's intalled there? I tried a wget but permission was denied.
> (Sorry if there is an obvious solution.)

I think you need more than the $1 Freeshell account to do things
like compiling or running ssh or sftp (which makes sense). Pine
4.50 has nice threading displays built in so when that's
released, you should be set at Freeshell (assuming they upgrade).

HTH,
Nancy

Christopher W Aiken

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Oct 25, 2002, 1:11:20 PM10/25/02
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In article <38e4c311.02102...@posting.google.com>, Gabe Anderson wrote:

There is a free service in Germany that I use here in USA. All that is
required is that you register. Within 24 hours they will email you a
logname and passwd.

Visit: http://news.cis.dfn.de/

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Gabe Anderson

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Oct 25, 2002, 1:39:19 PM10/25/02
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Nancy McGough wrote:

> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:48:53 +0100
> From: Nancy McGough <nm-this-addr...@no.sp.am>
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: Re: NNTP via Pine 4.44


>
> On 24 Oct 2002 Gabe Anderson (ga_nospam_v...@fastmail.fm) wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Nancy, for the suggestion re: freeshell.org. I had forgotten
> > that I had previously created an account with them based on the
> > recommendation in your IMAP list. I was able to access NNTP through
> > them just fine. However, I do have a couple questions on that note:
> >
> > 1) I tried to add their NNTP server to my .pinerc file on my Dreamhost
> > account, but was not able to connect (access not allowed based on
> > different IP address). Is there any way around that? That is, I'd like
> > to have a single point of access (via Dreamhost) for various email
> > accounts and NNTP, without having to SSH into my freeshell account
> > separately.
>
> There are two possible ways around this, but I haven't tried
> either with freeshell.org.
>
> 1) Since they use UW IMAP, you should be able to set up an IMAP
> to NNTP proxy, which I describe here
>
> <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#newsrcRemote>
>
> With this technique, you'll use Pine on Dreamhost to connect via
> IMAP to Freeshell (which you should be able to do, right?) and
> then connect to the NNTP server from there. Details are in the
> link above and the google links I give there.

Thanks for this suggestion, Nancy. It works - sort of. I'm able to connect
just fine (though I had to change the /tls portion of the setting to
/notls since the former would not work. And the connection isn't quite as
fast as when I connect directly to freeshell and access NTTP from there,
although in one instance it was zipping along. In another instance, I get
this error:

[MAIL FOLDER "comp.mail.pine" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]

...followed by a number of "[UID sequence invalid]" errors, making
messages unreadable. In other words, results seem to be sporadic.

> 2) An alternative is to ssh from Dreamhost to Freeshell and
> forward a random port that's higher than 1024 to their NNTP port
> (usually port 119). Then in your pinerc set the news server to
>
> localhost:localport#
>
> for example
>
> localhost:1119
>
> I have links to information about this here.
>
> <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#ssh>
>
> I think this will only work if their news server is actually on
> the same machine that you ssh to (and I don't think that's the
> case at Freeshell).

Correct. The news server is a different machine (news.nwlink.com) than
that to which I SSH (sdf.lonestar.org).

> > 2) If the above is not possible and I do have to use freeshell to
> > access NNTP, is there a way to install Eduardo's Fancy Threads onto
> > Pine that's intalled there? I tried a wget but permission was denied.
> > (Sorry if there is an obvious solution.)
>
> I think you need more than the $1 Freeshell account to do things
> like compiling or running ssh or sftp (which makes sense). Pine
> 4.50 has nice threading displays built in so when that's
> released, you should be set at Freeshell (assuming they upgrade).

Thanks for the info. I currently have only the $1 account. Cool that
threading will be in Pine 4.50. Any idea when that will be released?

Thanks also, Will, for urging the marketing folks to reconsider offering
NNTP service via Dreamhost. :)

-Gabe


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