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Par

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Jun 17, 2006, 11:25:00 PM6/17/06
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I can't find anything in the manual, but is there a way to jump to the
bottom of a message with the mutt pager?

/Par

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Par use...@hunter-gatherer.org
"The thing you don't check is the thing that will kill you."
-- Rick Grant (quoting RCAF pilot training)

Tim Hammerquist

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Jun 18, 2006, 3:44:08 AM6/18/06
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Par <use...@hunter-gatherer.org> wrote:
> I can't find anything in the manual, but is there a way to jump to the
> bottom of a message with the mutt pager?

According to the help screen displayed by pressing '?' with my custom
keys definitions disabled, it appears the "End" key will go to the
end of a message.

Of course, you can always redefine it yourself. I add:

bind pager G bottom

...to the default.

HTH,
Tim Hammerquist

Alan Connor

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Jun 18, 2006, 5:30:48 AM6/18/06
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On comp.mail.mutt, in <slrne99hcd...@hunter-gatherer.org>, "Par" wrote:
> Path: text.usenetserver.com!atl-c01.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!news2.euro.net!image.surnet.ru!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail

Yeh. Anonymous posts from individual.net. You could have a
thousand aliases. Just need a little playing with the look of
the headers like below.

They are a pretty hardass newsserver, though, so most trolls
reserve their post from here for their nice-guy aliases.

To ask for help, mostly.

You wouldn't help their more commonly used aliases from
other newsservers because you've already killfiled them.

> From: Par <use...@hunter-gatherer.org>

$ host hunter-gatherer.org
hunter-gatherer.org A record currently not present

Pretty hard to mail a server that has no address!

Gatherer-Hunter is much more accurate. For example,
the average pre-contact Native American had a diet
composed of 85% or better plant foods.

The same applies to the overwhelming majority of
omnivorous, non-agricultural cultures.

More so for primitive cultures with subsistence agriculture.

> Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
> Subject: Mutt pager; jump to bottom of message
> Date: 18 Jun 2006 03:25:00 GMT
> Organization: BuSab

Gee, that looks so official. But where's the URL to
their website?!

;-)

> Lines: 9
> Message-ID: <slrne99hcd...@hunter-gatherer.org>

Except that there _is_ no hunter-gatherer.org.

You can create any MID with slrn. Mine's fake too, although
it's obvious in my case.

> X-Trace: individual.net ilbGnr9+LGYlc2rLi7KhGgRi+Vg5Xh86DtOMq8ZHJ5VRsbXZtx
> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (FreeBSD)
> Xref: usenetserver.com comp.mail.mutt:136015
> X-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:25:02 EDT (text.usenetserver.com)

<article not downloaded:
http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/README.offline>

Note: I will not be downloading any articles on this thread.

Alan

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Other URLs of possible interest in my headers.

Par

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Jun 18, 2006, 8:25:02 AM6/18/06
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Alan Connor <i3x...@j9n35c.invalid>:

> Yeh. Anonymous posts from individual.net. You could have a
> thousand aliases. Just need a little playing with the look of
> the headers like below.

I own the domain. The adress works if yiy send email to it. Would you
have prefered if the address given was
jag-tar-aeven-emot...@hunter-gatherer.org (yes, that one
works too)?

By the way, what is your problem? The fact that you don't get a last
name?

> > From: Par <use...@hunter-gatherer.org>
>
> $ host hunter-gatherer.org
> hunter-gatherer.org A record currently not present
>
> Pretty hard to mail a server that has no address!

% host -t mx hunter-gatherer.org
hunter-gatherer.org mail is handled by 20 mail-2.blackcatnetworks.co.uk.
hunter-gatherer.org mail is handled by 10 mail.blackcatnetworks.co.uk.

Do your homework next time.

> Gatherer-Hunter is much more accurate. For example,
> the average pre-contact Native American had a diet
> composed of 85% or better plant foods.

Unless you have a degree in etnography I am fairly confident I know more
about pre-agricultural diets than you do. However, there is a word (or
rather a combination of words) that is normally used to describe such
groups.

> > Organization: BuSab
>
> Gee, that looks so official. But where's the URL to
> their website?!

Unfortunately busab.org was taken, and for some peculiar reason I could
not get busab.gov, which would have been more fitting...

> Note: I will not be downloading any articles on this thread.

Ok, then you won't see my explanation of how you are talking out of your
arse.

/Par

--
Par use...@hunter-gatherer.org
"Panic kills"

Par

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Jun 18, 2006, 8:25:02 AM6/18/06
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Tim Hammerquist <pen...@saiyix.ath.cx>:

> According to the help screen displayed by pressing '?' with my custom
> keys definitions disabled, it appears the "End" key will go to the
> end of a message.

Ahh, and the Swedish key-map appears to not work for that key ("Key not
bound").

> Of course, you can always redefine it yourself. I add:
>
> bind pager G bottom

That works. Thanks!

/Par

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Par use...@hunter-gatherer.org
Most Non-Unix managers conclude that VI is either extraterrestrial in origin
or was devised by the original Unix developers as part of a secret
communications code to reach another dimension.

Tim Hammerquist

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Jun 18, 2006, 12:13:20 PM6/18/06
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>> From: Par <use...@hunter-gatherer.org>
>
> $ host hunter-gatherer.org
> hunter-gatherer.org A record currently not present
>
> Pretty hard to mail a server that has no address!
>
[ snip ]

>> Message-ID: <slrne99hcd...@hunter-gatherer.org>
>
> Except that there _is_ no hunter-gatherer.org.

For those who'd like to know how the world *actually* works, and not
just how it works in a usenet troll's fantasy, I'll break this down:

It's true, a simple DNS A record lookup on hunter-gatherer.org turns
up nil:

$ dig hunter-gatherer.org a +short
$

Nothing.

But a WHOIS query reveals that there is absolutely
a hunter-gatherer.org domain, and that it's registered to a person
with christian name Par somewhere in Sweden, through a German
registrar.

In any case, we don't need an A record to send mail. To send an email
to a domain, we need only lookup its MX record. Let's try that again:

$ dig hunter-gatherer.org mx +short
20 mail-2.blackcatnetworks.co.uk.
10 mail.blackcatnetworks.co.uk.
$

*Now* we need an A record for one of those MX hosts. The lower the
leading integer, the more preferred an MX host is, so we'll use the
latter record.

$ dig mail.blackcatnetworks.co.uk a +short
193.201.200.50

There it is. Now all the outgoing mail server has to do is open up an
SMTP connexion to that IP and say it has a message for
use...@hunter-gatherer.org Your own outgoing mailserver (whether
your own, or your ISP's) does this automatically for just about every
email you send.

I'm convinced that if we're going to have trolls in this group, we
will have *educated* trolls, dammit! :-)

Cheers!
Tim Hammerquist

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Alain Bench

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Jun 18, 2006, 10:52:51 AM6/18/06
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Hello,

On Sunday, June 18, 2006 at 12:25:02 +0000, Par wrote:

> Tim Hammerquist <pen...@saiyix.ath.cx>:


>> the "End" key will go to the end of a message.

> Swedish key-map appears to not work for that key ("Key not bound").

Not at all: You probably just suffer from a misconfigured TERM.


Bye! Alain.
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The Folding@home project at <URL:http://folding.stanford.edu/>.

Par

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Jun 18, 2006, 2:25:06 PM6/18/06
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Peter H. Coffin <hel...@ninehells.com>:
> Websearch for his name. Ignore the reference to the English comedian as
> *probably* not the same guy. Draw your own conclusions.

Since I was *sure* I saw the "X-Troll=Yes" tags in the header I don't
need to. I just got mildly irritated[1] and responded anyway. Bad habit,
just like picking on scabs.

> I'm sure next he'll say to never listen to anything I say either,
> because I don't like Google et al. benefitting from my posts. That's the
> usual pattern.

My 3-year old kid behaves in much the same way, except she is a bit more
mature about it.

/Par

[1] A true irritation would have resulted in much stronger language, for
one thing.

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Par use...@hunter-gatherer.org
Ignorance is a renewable resource
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Paul Walker

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Jun 18, 2006, 6:49:59 PM6/18/06
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On 18 Jun 2006 12:25:02 GMT, Par wrote:

> Do your homework next time.

Alan's posted that kind of thing before, and has been corrected before.
Unfortunately he chooses to remain ignorant. One of those cases where a
little knowledge is an irritating thing, I'm afraid.

--
Paul

The thing I've noticed, particularly about Usenet, that while as a welcome
break from work it is refreshing and interesting, when you've got bugger all
else to do it kinda loses its appeal. -- C Speed

Linonut

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Jun 21, 2006, 6:49:36 PM6/21/06
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After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter H. Coffin belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> On 18 Jun 2006 12:25:02 GMT, Par wrote:

>> Alan Connor <i3x...@j9n35c.invalid>:


>>> Note: I will not be downloading any articles on this thread.
>>
>> Ok, then you won't see my explanation of how you are talking out of your
>> arse.
>

> Websearch for his name. Ignore the reference to the English comedian as
> *probably* not the same guy. Draw your own conclusions.
>

> I'm sure next he'll say to never listen to anything I say either,
> because I don't like Google et al. benefitting from my posts. That's the
> usual pattern.
>

> Oh, and sometimes he DOES download the articles anyway, because he can't
> RESIST finding out what people are saying about him.

I see "Alan Connor" in various places. A useless persona and persona
non grata.

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