kremvax exists!

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Stephen Bjork

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Jul 10, 1991, 6:42:48 PM7/10/91
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Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...

bjork@netcom%3 nslookup
Default Server: netcomsv.netcom.com
Address: 192.100.81.101

> set ty=any
> kremvax.hq.demos.su.
Server: netcomsv.netcom.com
Address: 192.100.81.101

Non-authoritative answer:
kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 100, mail exchanger = fuug.fi
kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 120, mail exchanger = nac.no
kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 200, mail exchanger = mcsun.eu.net
Authoritative answers can be found from:
fuug.fi inet address = 192.26.119.1
nac.no inet address = 129.240.2.40
mcsun.eu.net inet address = 192.16.202.1
SUNIC.SUNET.SE inet address = 192.36.125.2
SUNIC.SUNET.SE inet address = 130.237.216.2
NS.UU.NET inet address = 137.39.1.3
BROUILLY.INRIA.FR inet address = 128.93.8.4
MUNNARI.OZ.AU inet address = 128.250.1.21

Luc Rooijakkers

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Jul 11, 1991, 5:32:29 AM7/11/91
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In <1991Jul10.2...@netcom.COM> bj...@netcom.COM (Stephen Bjork) writes:

>Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...

[writes nslookup command returning...]

>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 100, mail exchanger = fuug.fi
>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 120, mail exchanger = nac.no
>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 200, mail exchanger = mcsun.eu.net

This is the second time I see this, and I think a clarification would be
in order. The su. zone has a *wildcard* MX record for demos (and a lot
of other domains, for that matter), so a query for any domain
xxx.demos.su will return the above MXes. So, while the above is true,
it is no evidence of kremvax' existence. Neither is

kremvax.sun.com preference = 10, mail exchanger = Sun.COM.

:-)

--
Luc Rooijakkers Internet: l...@cs.kun.nl
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science UUCP: uunet!cs.kun.nl!lwj
University of Nijmegen, the Netherlands tel. +3180652271

John M. Blasik

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Jul 11, 1991, 3:54:23 AM7/11/91
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bj...@netcom.COM (Stephen Bjork) writes:
>
>Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...
>
...

>Non-authoritative answer:
>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 100, mail exchanger = fuug.fi
>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 120, mail exchanger = nac.no
>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 200, mail exchanger = mcsun.eu.net

yo 31> host gorbnext.kmart.demos.su
gorbnext.kmart.demos.su mail is handled by fuug.fi
gorbnext.kmart.demos.su mail is handled by nac.no
gorbnext.kmart.demos.su mail is handled by mcsun.eu.net

Something this fun must be evil.
-- john

Jyrki Kuoppala

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Jul 11, 1991, 8:44:00 AM7/11/91
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In article <1991Jul11.0...@mlb.semi.harris.com>, john@mintaka (John M. Blasik) writes:
>>Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...
>>
>....

>>Non-authoritative answer:
>>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 100, mail exchanger = fuug.fi
>>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 120, mail exchanger = nac.no
>>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 200, mail exchanger = mcsun.eu.net

This doesn't prove anything since it's just a wildcard MX record, but
I hear the guys at demos really have a machine named 'kremvax'. But
I don't think it's at Kreml, though Kreml can be seen from the window.

//Jyrki

Neil Rickert

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Jul 11, 1991, 10:06:44 AM7/11/91
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>This doesn't prove anything since it's just a wildcard MX record, but

Please stop this silly bickering about whether this is only a wildcard MX,
or whether kremvax really exists.

Just to put matters to rest, here is a real live mail header.

-------------------------
Received: from fuug.fi by mp.cs.niu.edu with SMTP id AA14884
(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.4 for <ric...@mp.cs.niu.edu>); Tue, 25 Jun 1991 05:32:25 -0500
Received: by fuug.fi id AA11167
(5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for ric...@mp.cs.niu.edu); Tue, 25 Jun 91 13:28:55 +0300
***---> Received: by kremvax.hq.demos.su; Tue, 25 Jun 91 13:11:23 +0300
From: d...@hq.demos.su (Dmitry V. Volodin)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 91 13:11:23 +0300
Message-Id: <910625101...@kremvax.hq.demos.su>
To: ric...@mp.cs.niu.edu
Subject: Re: IDA Sendmail on Sun bounce mail not imm. deliverable
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
References: <1991Jun24....@mthvax.cs.miami.edu> <1991Jun24.1...@mp.cs.niu.edu>
Return-Receipt-To: d...@hq.demos.su


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Ted Zateslo

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Jul 11, 1991, 9:33:32 AM7/11/91
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Kremvax really does exist. It's a Microvax II at DEMOS, the organization
that administers RELCOM, the Soviet UUCP network. We get mail relayed
through it frequently. Here is a sample header:

From demos!samarin.public.su!s...@fuug.fi Wed Jul 3 03:25:44 1991
Return-Path: <demos!samarin.public.su!s...@fuug.fi>
Received: from fuug.fi by geomag.gly.fsu.edu with SMTP (5.65/31geomag)
id AA04160; Wed, 3 Jul 91 03:25:38 -0400
Received: by fuug.fi id AA25918
(5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for zat...@geomag.gly.fsu.edu); Wed, 3 Jul 91 10:25:13 +0300
Received: by kremvax.hq.demos.su; Wed, 3 Jul 91 08:57:38 +0300
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Received: by relcom; Wed, 3 Jul 91 08:45:54 +0300 (GMT+3:00)
Received: by samarin.public.su (UUPC/@ Release 2.01/03Feb91);
Tue, 02 Jul 1991 14:18:46 MSD
To: bro...@geomag.gly.fsu.edu, zat...@geomag.gly.fsu.edu
Message-Id: <AAL46...@samarin.public.su>
Organization: Sam, Krasnodar, USSR
From: s...@samarin.public.su (Samarin A M)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 91 14:18:45 +0200 (MSD)
Subject: jul2 Letter No 39 from Krasnodar
Status: RO

Dmitry Volodin, the system administrator at DEMOS, has a nice sense
of humor -- and he knows his Usenet lore...

-Ted Zateslo, FSU Geology Department
zat...@geomag.gly.fsu.edu

Fuat C. Baran

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Jul 11, 1991, 9:50:12 AM7/11/91
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In article <1991Jul10.2...@netcom.COM> bj...@netcom.COM (Stephen Bjork) writes:
>
>Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...
>
>bjork@netcom%3 nslookup
>Default Server: netcomsv.netcom.com
>Address: 192.100.81.101
>
>> set ty=any
>> kremvax.hq.demos.su.
>Server: netcomsv.netcom.com
>Address: 192.100.81.101
>
>Non-authoritative answer:
>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 100, mail exchanger = fuug.fi
>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 120, mail exchanger = nac.no
>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 200, mail exchanger = mcsun.eu.net
...

I doubt it. You're getting a mail exchanger because of wildcard MX's.
Any hostname *.demos.su (try foobar.hq.demos.su, xyzzy.plugh.demos.su,
or anything else) is MX'ed to those three hosts.

--Fuat


Internet: fu...@columbia.edu U.S. MAIL: Columbia University
BITNET: fuat@cunixc Center for Computing Activities
UUCP: ...!rutgers!columbia!cunixf!fuat 712 Watson Labs, 612 W115th St.
Phone: (212) 854-5128 Fax: (212) 662-6442 New York, NY 10025

Marc Rouleau

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Jul 11, 1991, 10:26:51 AM7/11/91
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l...@cs.kun.nl (Luc Rooijakkers) writes:

>bj...@netcom.COM (Stephen Bjork) writes:
>
>>kremvax.hq.demos.su preference = 100, mail exchanger = fuug.fi
>
>[...] while the above is true, it is no evidence of kremvax' existence.

How 'bout this message I received a month ago? Note the third Received:
header. Looks authentic to me ...

********************************************************************
Received: from fuug.fi by fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU id aa11708;
11 Jun 91 6:26 EDT
Received: by fuug.fi id AA16031
(5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for me...@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU); Tue, 11 Jun 91
13:23:51 +0300
Received: by kremvax.hq.demos.su; Tue, 11 Jun 91 10:10:07 +0300
Received: by jumbo; Tue, 11 Jun 91 10:40:23 MSD
To: 4a...@phuvm.bitnet, abb...@ms.uky.edu, bm...@andrew.cmu.edu,
br...@icpsr.umich.edu, bur...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu,
ceremony...@chsun1.uchicago.edu, c...@spacsun.rice.edu,
ct...@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU, dal...@caf.MIT.EDU,
da...@vacs.uwp.wisc.edu,
dave...@shark.cs.fau.edu, drd...@buhub.bradley.edu,
e...@radon.berkeley.edu, ez00...@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu,
germ...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu, go...@andrew.cmu.edu,
HA...@vtmath.math.vt.edu, jc...@ra.MsState.edu, jj...@andrew.cmu.edu,
lul...@csd4.uwm.edu, m...@presto.ig.com,
me...@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU,
mk....@forsythe.stanford.edu, msen...@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu,
n...@ATHENA.MIT.EDU, ot...@cincom.umd.edu,
pap...@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu,
pash...@javelin.sim.es.com, p...@cs.qmw.ac.uk, pri...@rpi.edu,
ri...@metaware.com, r...@maxine.wpi.edu, rswa...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu,
sh...@WYSTAN.BSD.UCHICAGO.EDU, sw...@acsu.buffalo.edu,
te...@ra.MsState.edu,
t...@unix.cis.pitt.edu, t...@pollux.ucdavis.edu, tv8...@tut.fi,
ucs...@uwplatt.edu, val...@ATHENA.MIT.EDU, wis...@ims.alaska.edu
Message-Id: <AAbv7...@jumbo.hq.demos.su>
Organization: Demos
From: Pasha Hodakov <pa...@jumbo.hq.demos.su>
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 91 10:40:21 +0300 (MSD)
Return-Receipt-To: pa...@hq.demos.su (Pasha A. Hodakov)
Subject: Help request
Status: OR

Hello!
Beforehand, I'm sorry for my letter and my bad english.
Now I try to make national music-server. I would be glad to get from
you some information about group(s) that you introduce. I'm interested
in
discography, Lyrics (if it possible), Reviews, History and especially
in
GIF's images of it. If you can't send me so much information please
write to
me how I can get it (through anonymous FTP, for instance). Notice, that
I havn't direct connection with Internet, because the first way is
more preferablely.
Thanks in advance.
--

Pasha A. Hodakov DEMOS, Moscow, USSR
INET: pa...@hq.demos.su Voice: +7 095 2312129
Fax: +7 095 2335016
********************************************************************

Graham Thomas

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Jul 12, 1991, 9:41:23 AM7/12/91
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From article <1991Jul10.2...@netcom.COM>, by bj...@netcom.COM (Stephen Bjork):

>
> Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...
>
>> kremvax.hq.demos.su.
> Server: netcomsv.netcom.com
> Address: 192.100.81.101

People from the DEMOS organisation have been writing to the net for a
while now (maybe a year, but I could be wrong). Some of them - I
remember Vadim Antonov - were eager contributors to
alt.folklore.computer and I know that other people were telling them
about the kremvax April Fool of a few years ago.

My guess is that they thought it was such a good joke that they renamed
one of their computers to kremvax.

Sorry, I didn't keep Vadim's address, so unless someone posts it we
won't be able to ask him about it (or might there be a
postmaster@kremvax ID?)

Graham
--
Graham Thomas, SPRU, Mantell Building, Univ. of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RF, UK
Email: gra...@syma.sussex.ac.uk Phone: +44 273 678165 Fax: +44 273 685865

Brian Kantor

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Jul 12, 1991, 2:23:18 PM7/12/91
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From sdcsvax!dcdwest!ittvax!decvax!mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko Sun Apr 1 11:02:52 1984
Relay-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site sdccsu3.UUCP
Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 4/1/83 (SU840401); site kremvax.UUCP
Path: sdccsu3!sdcsvax!dcdwest!ittvax!decvax!mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko
From: cher...@kremvax.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.general,net.politics
Subject: USSR on Usenet
Message-ID: <00...@kremvax.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 1-Apr-84 11:02:52 PST
Date-Received: Mon, 2-Apr-84 17:02:53 PST
Organization: MIIA, Moscow
Lines: 41

<.....>

Well, today, 840401, this is at last the Socialist Union of Soviet
Republics joining the Usenet network and saying hallo to everybody.

One reason for us to join this network has been to have a means of
having an open discussion forum with the American and European people
and making clear to them our strong efforts towards attaining peaceful
coexistence between the people of the Soviet Union and those of the
United States and Europe.

We have been informed that on this network many people have given strong
anti-Russian opinions, but we believe they have been misguided by their
leaders, especially the American administration, who is seeking for war
and domination of the world.

By well informing those people from our side we hope to have a possibility
to make clear to them our intentions and ideas.

Some of those in the Western world, who believe in the truth of what we
say have made possible our entry on this network; to them we are very
grateful. We hereby invite you to freely give your comments and opinions.

Here are the data for our backbone site:

Name: moskvax
Organization: Moscow Institute for International Affairs
Contact: K. Chernenko
Phone: +7 095 840401
Postal-Address: Moscow, Soviet Union
Electronic-Address: mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko
News: mcvax kremvax kgbvax
Mail: mcvax kremvax kgbvax

And now, let's open a flask of Vodka and have a drink on our entry on
this network. So:

NA ZDAROVJE!

--
K. Chernenko, Moscow, USSR
...{decvax,philabs}!mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko

Frank Elsner

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Jul 15, 1991, 3:19:00 AM7/15/91
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In article <55...@syma.sussex.ac.uk> gra...@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Graham Thomas) writes:
>Sorry, I didn't keep Vadim's address, so unless someone posts it we
>won't be able to ask him about it (or might there be a
>postmaster@kremvax ID?)

In reply to this mail

# Date: Fri, 7 Jun 91 11:24:15 MEZ
# From: elsn...@w107zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Frank Elsner)
# To: postm...@kremvax.hq.demos.su
# Subject: Test from Berlin
#
# This is a test for connectivity.
# Please send a short reply to: els...@zrz.tu-berlin.de
#
# Frank Elsner (TUBerlin/ZRZ Postmaster)

I got the answer

# From demos!hq.demos.su!a...@fuug.fi Sat Jun 8 05:40:08 1991
# Received: by fuug.fi id AA26384
# (5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for elsn...@w107zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de); Fri, 7 Jun 91 20:57:26 +0300
# Received: by kremvax.hq.demos.su; Fri, 7 Jun 91 19:31:03 +0300
# Received: by avg386; Fri, 7 Jun 91 19:30:58 MSD
# To: elsn...@w107zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Frank Elsner)
# References: <910607102...@w107zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de>
# Message-Id: <AP1Jx...@avg386.hq.demos.su>
# Organization: DEMOS, Moscow, USSR
# From: a...@hq.demos.su (Vadim Antonov)
# Date: Fri, 7 Jun 91 19:30:57 +0300 (MSD)
# Subject: Re: Test From Berlin
#
# [ ... stuff deleted ... ]

Refer to the "To: " line of my mail and to the "From: " line of the reply.

Frank Elsner (TUBerlin/ZRZ, Postmaster)

Vadim Antonov

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Jul 16, 1991, 3:46:35 PM7/16/91
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>In article <1991Jul11.0...@mlb.semi.harris.com>, john@mintaka (John M. Blasik) writes:
>>>Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does exist...

Yes, it does (and responds to characters I'm typing into :-).
It's a real uVAX ][ with 8Mb RAM, 2Gb of disk space, 21 2400 bps MNP-5
modems (try +7 095 2330062 if you don't believe me), 3 T2500s (one
for city phone exchange, one for ISKRA phone network, one serves the
leased line to CC of Kurchatov Institute of Atomic Energy) and one
Racal-Milgo Alpha I at the leased line to InterEVM; and a connection
to internal DEMOS LAN over thin Ethernet. The operating system at this
uVAX is DEMOS-32/V (merged together early DEMOS-32, BSD 4.3 and 4.3-reno
TCP/IP).

It's IP address is 192.91.186.8, though it's useless for you :-( and
it really runs .SU nameserver. I hope it'll be replaced with SunServer 4/330
called "kremlsun".

The history of Piet Beertema's joke is well known. We choosed the
"historical" name because this VAX was turned on at his new place at DEMOS
at the 1st April 1991 (hm, could you call it by other name if you were me?)
I think it deserves this name because it works as EUnet backbone for
Soviet Union - not a light load (sometimes la shows 12.0 and more).

In <1991Jul11.1...@nntp.hut.fi> j...@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

>I don't think it's at Kreml, though Kreml can be seen from the window.

It's surely not in Kremlin but Kremlin is seen though the window :-)
Apparntly it the nearest to Kremlin VAX.

The name "kgbvax" is still reserved for Kruchkov's guys; though they
haven't asked us for it. We have a lot of strange places in the net
but seems they do not interest in networking.

Cheers (cannot send a flack of vodka over USENET :-( )!

Vadim Antonov
DEMOS, Moscow, USSR

Moses Mason

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May 29, 2011, 10:46:49 PM5/29/11
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Vadim Antonov did it.

Maybe you need build a time machine and visite Wikipedia for this info in you time, HaHahah

Spam Guy

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May 30, 2011, 7:00:53 PM5/30/11
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Moses Mason used improper usenet message composition style by
top-poasting:

> On Thursday, July 11, 1991 2:05:59 PM UTC+8, Stephen Bjork wrote:
>
> > Yes, folks, the long-thought-to-be-mythical kremvax really does
> > exist...
>

> Vadim Antonov did it.

And in addition to being a top-poaster, you get the bonehead of the year
award for replying to a post that's 20 years old.

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