Content-Transfer-Encoding: vs. Usenet

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Ivan Shmakov

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Jul 25, 2013, 11:19:05 AM7/25/13
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>>>>> Adam H Kerman <a...@chinet.com> writes:

[Cross-posting to news:news.software.readers and setting
Followup-To: there. Adding news:comp.mail.mime, on a second
though.]

[...]

> In any event, I agree with Ben and continue my boycott of MIME on
> Usenet, not that anyone cares.

Personally, I don't care about non-MIME articles, as long as
they're pure-ASCII. The only issues with forgoing MIME
completely I'm aware of are:

* pure-ASCII is simply not enough for the majority (90% or so)
of the world population; (this isn't a problem should Usenet
be though of as a kind of pure-English sect; but it isn't);

* use a non-compliant newsreader to quote MIME-compliant
messages, and havoc will ensue.

> The syntax of the CTE header, which is used to indicate a type of
> unencoded data

Is it?

> OR a mechanism of encoding, is ungrammatical to my ear.

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Ivan Shmakov

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Jul 25, 2013, 3:22:32 PM7/25/13
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>>>>> Adam H Kerman <a...@chinet.com> writes:
>>>>> Ivan Shmakov <onei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Adam H Kerman <a...@chinet.com> writes:

[...]

>> [Cross-posting to news:news.software.readers and setting
>> Followup-To: there. Adding news:comp.mail.mime, on a second
>> though.]

[...]

> If you think this discussion is off topic, why did YOU

... And when Followup-To: is then ignored, is the expectation
that two wrongs will make a right? Or is a failure of one
poster to behave is a license to do so for everyone else?

> post a followup to it in this newsgroup?

Because it's a well-established part of the netiquette (which,
IIRC, you've been pointed at before): when moving a conversation
to another newsgroup, keep the subscribers of the former one
informed. One simple way to do it is as follows: add the
relevant groups to Newsgroups:, copy the result to Followup-To:,
remove the irrelevant ones from the latter (only.)

Yet another way is to send a separate followup to the irrelevant
newsgroup, which is what I'm going to do for this response.

[...]

>> The only issues with forgoing MIME completely I'm aware of are:

>> * pure-ASCII is simply not enough for the majority (90% or so) of
>> the world population; (this isn't a problem should Usenet be though
>> of as a kind of pure-English sect; but it isn't);

>> * use a non-compliant newsreader to quote MIME-compliant messages,
>> and havoc will ensue.

> My newsreader expects me to add headers, if necessary. If I must
> quote an article with non-ASCII characters, I cut them. Typically,
> this happens when I encounter articles written by Google Groups users
> to which non-plain-text characters have been added (like non-breaking
> spaces).

... Which reminds me of the thing I've used to call the
"American Usenet" attitude.

Naturally, I wouldn't expect one participating in
news:tw.bbs.soc.politics, news:pl.comp.os.linux, or
news:alt.russian.z1 to find a non-MIME newsreader all that
convenient.

[...]

>>> The syntax of the CTE header, which is used to indicate a type of
>>> unencoded data

>> Is it?

[...]

> The Content-Transfer-Encoding values "7bit", "8bit", and "binary" all
> mean that the identity (i. e. NO) encoding transformation has been
> performed. As such, they serve simply as indicators of the domain of
> the body data,

[...]

ACK, thanks. (Though the range of the octets used is /not/ what
I'd generally call "type.")
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