Relay Personalities
Johnn
including several personal domains.
Recently, I changed ISP's and had to change my Relay personality.
Until then, I could send and receive, and the return email of outgoing
messages matches the personality that sent the message.
But now, the return address that the recipient sees is always my Relay
personality address, doesn't matter which personality I chose to send
the message in the first place.
Is this problem ISP-related, or (more likely) is it some setting in
Eudora which I unknowingly changed?
Can I do anything when using the relay personality so that the return
address on emails that I send matches the sending personality?
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
Christian
> But now, the return address that the recipient sees is always my Relay
> personality address, doesn't matter which personality I chose to send
> the message in the first place.
The Relay Personality's settings is what Eudora uses to authenticate
against the SMTP server. In most cases, after that identification
process, the SMTP server does not care what is sent - and also not, what
sender you pretend to be.
But there are some which delete your "From:"-line and replace it by the
indications registered with the provider. Google Mail (which is used by
a Swiss ISP to handle their mail domain) does it so.
Since apparently you have several own domains - can't you try to use the
SMTP server of your hosting provider to send your messages?
Good luck, Christian
--
Christian F. Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland)
Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: http://www.chance-for-children.org
Johnn
(Christian) wrote:
>Johnn <e...@look.ca> wrote:
>
>> But now, the return address that the recipient sees is always my Relay
>> personality address, doesn't matter which personality I chose to send
>> the message in the first place.
>Since apparently you have several own domains - can't you try to use the
>SMTP server of your hosting provider to send your messages?
That is in fact what I am trying to do, Christian.
Those receiving my emails still see the Relay Personality's address
instead of that of the personality I'm sending from.
It did not do that with my previous DSL, so I'm not sure what's
causing this.
>Good luck, Christian
Thanks, Christian for trying to help! Appreciate it!
Johnn
I have installed Thunderbird, and hopefully will become as familiar
with this program as I was with Eudora.
Thunderbird seems to work well, but after all these years (over 20, I
think) it seems almost like being unfaithful to my woman . . . .
Oh well - time goes on - so does technology . . . .
Cheers to all!
John H Meyers
> Those receiving my emails still see the Relay Personality's address
> instead of that of the personality I'm sending from.
> It did not do that with my previous DSL,
> so I'm not sure what's causing this.
Christian identified exactly what is causing this,
which is that the outgoing (SMTP) service
through which you are directing mail
is making the substitution,
and will do so no matter what client you use
(if you send mail through the same outgoing server),
and no matter what ISP connects you to the internet.
Gmail itself does this by default,
and so does any service "branded" to any ISP
who "contracts out" with Google to provide their email services.
John H Meyers
On 2/27/2011 1:19 PM, Johnn wrote:
> Those receiving my emails still see the Relay Personality's address
> instead of that of the personality I'm sending from.
> It did not do that with my previous DSL,
> so I'm not sure what's causing this.
Christian identified exactly what is causing this,
which is that the outgoing (SMTP) service
through which you are directing mail
is making the substitution,
and will do so no matter what client you use
(if you send mail through the same outgoing server),
and no matter what ISP connects you to the internet.
Gmail itself does this by default,
and so does any service "branded" to any ISP
who "contracts out" with Google to provide their email services.
All that you need do, to stop a Google-owned server from replacing your
"From:" address with the address of the account using Google's servers
is to go, online, to your account settings, list your "accounts,"
and add the additional "From:" addresses under the "send mail as" section.
As soon as you confirm each address, the outgoing server
will then leave that address unaltered when you send mail using SMTP
(and will also permit you to "send as" that address on-line,
via a "change" link next to each "From" address).
> Can I do anything when using the relay personality so that the
> return address on emails that I send matches the sending personality?
Eudora sends the "From:" address of the personality for whom the message
is composed, exactly as you see it. The _outgoing server_ is what
substitutes the server's account address, and it's at that end
where you need to "register" any other addresses that you want to "send as."
By the way, all domains using Yahoo (or ATT/Yahoo) outgoing servers
have a similar restriction, except that they refuse to even send any message
whose "From" address is neither the server account's address
nor a previously "verified" address.
Some ISPs won't accept any mail at all that doesn't say
"From: me@same_isp" -- in all cases, the restriction (or substitution)
is made by the outgoing server, and has nothing to do with Eudora.
--
Linda Poole
"Johnn" <e...@look.ca> wrote in message
news:srhnm6h6tf4cvm1im...@4ax.com...
You ARE beeing unfaithful to your woman !
And you will be caught out.
And when you finally crawl back to your woman and ask for forgiveness, then
consider this solution to your problem:
include:
ExtraHeaders=Reply-to:yourus...@your.email.isp
in the Eudora.ini file as below:
EITHER:
1. In Tools>Options>sending mail, use your current working ISP's SMPT
server.
SMPT relay personality : None
2. Undo all the "use relay personalities" in each individual personality's
properties.
3. Edit the "Eudora.ini" file to force each required individual
personality's return address under the individual [Persona..xxxxxx] sections
to include:
ExtraHeaders=Reply-to:individ...@individual.email.isp
I'm using this method with the gmail smtp, when I'm overseas.
Note: It may involve changing each personality to your current ISP's server
login (both POP3 and SMPT), however the return address will work, as you
require.
OR:
(If you want all personalities to have the same reply-to address:
Use the above line to edit your Eudora.ini file in the [settings] section.
Linda Poole
"John H Meyers" <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
news:4D6C0EEC...@nomail.invalid...
> [continuing an unfinished item, sent prematurely]
>
> All that you need do, to stop a Google-owned server from replacing your
> "From:" address with the address of the account using Google's servers
> is to go, online, to your account settings, list your "accounts,"
> and add the additional "From:" addresses under the "send mail as" section.
>
Ahh yes, this is certainly an easier and more elegant solution than my above
suggestion. I didn't know, it existed.
It also leaves the "Relay" intact.
I should've waited a bit longer with my replay.
Nevertheless, it might come in handy for some applications.
Christian
> Note: It may involve changing each personality to your current ISP's server
> login (both POP3 and SMPT), however the return address will work, as you
> require.
>
> OR:
> (If you want all personalities to have the same reply-to address:
> Use the above line to edit your Eudora.ini file in the [settings] section.
Hm - this is, as I understand the question - not, what John wants, He
says, his "From:"-line is overwritten by the SMTP server. He did not
ask how to get a "Reply-to:" different from his "From:"-line.
As I mentioned before, it depends on the SMTP server setup whether it
allows "From:"-lines which are different from the result of the
authentification. See also John H Myers' message dated 28 Feb 2011
15:09:00 -0600.
The only solutions to this are:
a) use the correct SMTP server which are designed to handle messages for
each of the domains, or
b) find out which SMTP server does not have the limitations for sending
with a "From:"-line which is foreign to it.
John's problem has nothing to do with Eudora - it will continue to exist
with another mail application if he is trying setting up the same
configuration. What works with Eudora will also work with any other
application - and vice versa.
John H Meyers
in Eudora personality "properties":
The only time this is actually necessary is when:
(a) A personality's normal outgoing (SMTP) server uses port 25
and is trying to be accessed from a different network
(many networks block any outgoing traffic on port 25,
to block untraceable spam).
Port 25 is being used if the "Secure Sockets when Sending"
choice for that personality is _other_ than "Required, Alternate Port"(465)
_and_ the "Use submission port (587)" box is also _not_ checked.
(b) A "personality" is just an alternate outgoing email address,
not having any servers associated with it,
for separately receiving or sending mail.
Outgoing (SMTP) servers using the "Alternate" port (465)
or "submission" port (587) generally can be used from anywhere,
hence do not need re-directing to another personality's SMTP server,
which is what the "use relay personality" check box does.
--
Johnn
I tried a few of the suggestions, but it is not working out.
Yoo much for my 76-year-old brain to absorb.
So, I guess I'll stay with "the other woman" (Firebird).
Not bad, at my age . . . (I can always dream, can't I?).
John H Meyers
> I tried a few of the suggestions, but it is not working out.
> So, I guess I'll stay with "the other woman" [Thunderbird?]
Tried which suggestions? Via what steps?
Noticing what sort of outcome of each step?
Thunderbird can not make any Google-owned SMTP server
stop replacing your "From" address -- only an action
performed in your on-line Google account itself can do that,
as was described in what I hoped was sufficient detail
to actually do it.
If you "solve" the problem using Thunderbird,
it can only be due to your not using the same outgoing server
to send the same messages, and if you had Eudora
use the same outgoing server(s) as Thunderbird,
you could only get the exact same results.
The account setup interfaces of Eudora and Thunderbird
are so different that you must be using different servers
without realizing it.
The main reason for much mis-communication in newsgroups and forums
about these topics is the lack of clear description to begin with,
which is like driving with a completely fogged windshield,
not knowing where one is nor being able to steer in the right direction.
Whoever takes the time to carefully note, in detail,
both where they want to go and what route they have taken thus far
("I turned right on Main Street and drove six blocks,
and now I see the Texaco station across the street on the left")
and who then follows equally specific detailed instructions
of anyone who knows how to proceed from there to the goal,
tends get where they want to go straight away.
"I kept on driving and still couldn't find the Post Office,
so I bought another car instead, and managed to get there at last"
conveys quite a different story -- somewhat lucky, certainly
more work/expense, and possibly ending up with an inferior car :)
--
Linda Poole
"Linda Poole" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Just a follow-up on the above:
Changing the "From" address within Google only seems to work from a web
login.
It will not work from either an Eudora or OE POP3 login, in which case
Google still shows its own server in the "From" field.
Any subsequent reply will also be directed to the Google account, instead of
the changed "From" address.
As I was still using my earlier method above, I only became aware of this
recently, when I tried my iPhone for this purpose.
John H Meyers
> Changing the "From" address within Google only seems to work from a web
> login.
> It will not work from either an Eudora or OE POP3 login, in which case
> Google still shows its own server in the "From" field.
> Any subsequent reply will also be directed to the Google account, instead of
> the changed "From" address.
>
> As I was still using my earlier method above, I only became aware of this
> recently, when I tried my iPhone for this purpose.
I do not understand what you mean,
e.g. what does "it will not work" mean,
and how does "trying your iPhone for this purpose" relate to Eudora?
Once you have _verified_ a "send mail as" email address in a Google account,
that address is available to select as "From" in outgoing messages
sent via Google on the web, _and_ if you send a message using Eudora
"From:" the _verified_ email address, via a Google _SMTP_ server,
using that same Google account's login which verified that address,
the "From:" line sent by Eudora will _not_ be altered.
There is an additional Google option, not relating to Eudora at all,
which governs how replies are sent using Google on the _web_
after _receiving_ messages into the _Google_ account:
"When receiving a message:
o Reply from the same address the message was sent to, or
o Always reply from default address (currently xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx)"
Is the above setting what you are referring to?
Referring (again?) to Gmail's support info:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=22370
--
Linda Poole
"John H Meyers" <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
>
> Once you have _verified_ a "send mail as" email address in a Google
> account,
> that address is available to select as "From" in outgoing messages
> sent via Google on the web, _and_ if you send a message using Eudora
> "From:" the _verified_ email address, via a Google _SMTP_ server,
> using that same Google account's login which verified that address,
> the "From:" line sent by Eudora will _not_ be altered.
>
> There is an additional Google option, not relating to Eudora at all,
> which governs how replies are sent using Google on the _web_
> after _receiving_ messages into the _Google_ account:
>
> "When receiving a message:
> o Reply from the same address the message was sent to, or
> o Always reply from default address (currently xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx)"
>
> Is the above setting what you are referring to?
>
> Referring (again?) to Gmail's support info:
> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=22370
>
> --
>
Thank you for your reply.
I'm glad you did, because it encouraged me to have another go, and I was
finally successful.
I made a mistake. I did not use the gmail account as a relay personality.
I tried to send directly from the gmail account (through POP3).
This used to work for me by adding the line:
ExtraHeaders=Reply-to:x...@xxxxxxx.xxx
to the eudora.ini file of the gmail account personality.
That's why I became lax in my thinking.
I shall stand in the corner for a while.
Thanks for your time !