Eudora 7.1: I'm very tired with certificate ERRORS. Always problems.... problems ... problems.help!

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

Hi, I use Eudora 7.1 and every week I get this cerificate error
(rejected):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58542060/Screening/Eudora%202.jpg
I have many gmail accunts and every time I have to enter into "Last
SSL info" and to click on the "add to trusted" button, click on the
appropriate buttons to get out of the properties.
I have two PC and I have the same problems with them. Every week I get
those problems with all my accounts.
Can I solve this problem finally? Otherwise they are forced to replace
Eudora with anothe email client.
Thanks for some info.

[Ajo Wissink]

The problem is that gmail changes its certificates every couple of
months since some time.
If accepting new certificates is too much trouble for you you have 2
options:
1- Stop using gmail
2- Stop using Eudora

BTW: it takes less than 1 minute to accept a new certificate.

Ajo Wissink

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

>BTW: it takes less than 1 minute to accept a new certificate.

Ok, thanks for your suggestions I have 10 gmail accounts on two
different computers, therefore I need 15-20 minutes every time. ;)

[RIC]

In article <kr3hra5v39ero4dec...@4ax.com>,
ijo...@jejejeje.it says...

>
> >BTW: it takes less than 1 minute to accept a new certificate.
>
> Ok, thanks for your suggestions I have 10 gmail accounts on two
> different computers, therefore I need 15-20 minutes every time. ;)

I choose TheBat!
It's the better one after using eudora

[pamela]

Hiya Ajo. I too am having trouble with Gmail and certificates in
Eudora. A few months ago you made a very useful post where ou mentioned
that certficates may need to be accepted 4 or 5 times but even that
doesn't seem to be enough for me right now.

You explained it here:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=143859613700

Can I pick your brains a bit more about this.

(1) After accepting a particular failed certificate do you need to
restart Eudora for it to work?

(2) If I accept certificates repeadly for one Gmail account and get it
to work then will Eudora accept those certificate on my other Gmail
accounts?

(3) Is there a way of entering some master Gmail certificate so all
subsequent certificate changes by Gmail will get accepted automatically
by Eudora?

Thank you for any help.

[Ajo Wissink]

Hello Pamela. I have another Pam in my house and I have trained her
to accept new certificates in no time flat. ;-)

>(1) After accepting a particular failed certificate do you need to
>restart Eudora for it to work?

No, just get out of the Certificate Manager.

>(2) If I accept certificates repeadly for one Gmail account and get it
>to work then will Eudora accept those certificate on my other Gmail
>accounts?

Yes, if those other accounts are on the same server, but Google uses
many servers and I don't know if they are all using the same
certificates.

>(3) Is there a way of entering some master Gmail certificate so all
>subsequent certificate changes by Gmail will get accepted automatically
>by Eudora?

That would be nice, but it seems to be wishful thinking. The problem
is that new certificates are being accepted when the certificate
issuing authority is known by the email client. That can be
accomplished by regular updates, but Eudora is old and doesn't know
about new issuing authorities. The last update was in 2006, so Eudora
users are probably stuck with having to enter new certificates
manually. Usually certificates are good for many years, but,
unfortunately, Google's new certificates are good for only a couple of
months.

>Thank you for any help.

If you or other readers need to refresh their SSL information, here is
the entire story again:

********************************************************

The following is based on posts by Katrina Knight on the Eudora-Win
mailing list:


1- Try to check or send mail, depending on what kind of error you have
to resolve. (It seems that it is not obvious for everyone that these
actions do not have to be successful)


2- Open the Personalities window: Tools > Personalities, or click the
Personalities tab at the bottom in the window at the left if you are
using the default configuration.


3- Right-click on the personality in question and select "Properties".


4- If you got the error downloading mail: click the "Incoming Mail"
tab in the Personalities window that opens, or if you got the error
sending mail click on the "Generic Properties" tab of that window.


5- Click on "Last SSL Info" and the "Eudora SSL Connection Information
Manager" window will open. Then click on the button to go to the
"Certificate Information Manager".


6- In the Certificate Information Manager Eudora's trusted
certificates for the connection in question will be at the top. It is
most likely a chain of certificates that you have to open, not just a
single certificate. The "+" button at the right of a certificate opens
an additional level. Click on the "+"s until you have them all open.
Certificates that are trusted have a happy face icon. The last
certificate that you can open will probably have a skull and
crossbones icon. Select that one and click on "Add to Trusted". (Do
not click on any other buttons. Do not expect the scull to change into
a happy face while you are watching. That will happen only when you
check mail again). Click on "done" and OK. (Do not just close those
Windows by clicking the Close button at the top right).


7- You don't have to close and re-open Eudora before you continue. Do
another mail check or try to send a message to see if it works. You
may have to repeat this process a few more times depending on the
number of certificates in the chain: you may find another scull and
crossbones at the bottom of the chain. Each one needs to be trusted.
They're like a series of locked doors. You have to unlock each of the
doors before it can be opened to see the next one.


8- Some ISPs use different certificates for receiving and sending so
you may have to do this for both.


Note that if you are using a relay personality to send mail when you
get the errors, it is the relay personality that you need to do this
for, not whichever personality is using the relay personality.

******************************************************

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

I always accept those invalid certificates "adding them to trusted"
button. But may be I don't understand well your replies because I get
that problem every 4-5 days. Is there a method to accept those invalid
certificates in a definitive method? I cannot do it every 4-5 days.
Thanks

[pamela]

In my experience pressing "accept" (or whatever the exact wording is) when
the pop up window appears after a failed download doesn't seem to work.

Even if press "accept" on many occassions I get nowhere but if I follow
Ajo's instructions and go into the Certificate Manager then it works
straight away.

Perhaps someone can explain this.

[pamela]

[see Ajo's post for instructions]

Thank you for your info. I appreciate it. I'm now almost as good as your
own Pam at this! It's so easy when you know what to do.

Wouldn't it be possible to locate a master Gmail certificate from
elsewhere and paste it into a text file which Eudora could then import?

[Ajo Wissink]

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 14:21:00 +0100, pamela <inv...@nospam.com> wrote:

>Thank you for your info. I appreciate it. I'm now almost as good as your
>own Pam at this! It's so easy when you know what to do.
>
>Wouldn't it be possible to locate a master Gmail certificate from
>elsewhere and paste it into a text file which Eudora could then import?

There is no such thing as a "master certificate". Each time when a
certificate error pops up it's a new certificate.
The problem with gmail is that their new certificates are good for
only a few months, lately, while certificates for other email
providers are usually good for many years. Maybe Google is doing this
to encourage users of computer-bases email clients to switch entirely
to "the cloud".

Ajo

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

>[see Ajo's post for instructions]

Ajo is telling to repace Eudora or gmail.... if I understand fine
Therefore: as I cannot change gmail, I'm thinking to replace Eudora.
Does anybody can tell me if there is another email client very similar
to Eudora? thanks

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

Dear friends, I hope you can give me a suggestion.
I'd like to change Eudora because I use many gmail accounts.
I need to configure my my email client with IN and OUT mailboxes on
the first page like this pic.
I attach the pic:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58542060/Screening/Eudora.jpg
I have to see both IN and OUT mailboxes at the same time.
What email clients can to be configured in that way?
Thanks

[txleo]

I use Thunderbird mostly now and it is easy to see several folders at once, but they are in different windows. The great thing about displaying them in separate windows is that you have resizing capabilities in two dimensions. You simply right click the folder and open it in another window or tab; also any tab can be changed to a window, detaching it from the main window. I also move messages between accounts with it (example: from Yahoo to Gmail and the message will then appear in Gmail's web also) and it is easy to change the "From:" to a different account when replying. I stay up with Eudora and all its problems because my wife still uses it. I run over 20 "personalities" with some sub-personalities for some of them. About 10 of the personalities are aliases in one Gmail account; others are on a mixture of other mail servers.

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

>The great thing about displaying them in separate windows is that you have resizing capabilities in two dimensions. You simply right click the folder and open it in another window or tab; also any tab can be changed to a window, detaching it from the main window.

I am not abled to do it but may be I make some errors. Could you send
me the .ini file of Thunderrird with that config?

[Ajo Wissink]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:46:35 +0200, ijo...@jejejeje.it wrote:

I have given your problem some more thought. Apparently the gmail
servers you have to deal with (in Italy?) get new certificates much
more often than the gmail servers that other people are using.
Normally certificates are good for multiple years, but Google has
decide that they should be good for only a couple of months. (only a
few days for you). It doesn't make much sense, but there is not much
we can do about that.

The solution for you would be to not deal with gmail directly at all,
but to use a relay personality for sending from your gmail account and
to set each gmail account to forward all received email to an account
that uses a more realistic interval between introductions of new
certificates. You wouldn't even notice that certificates have expired.

[Chupo]

In article <ep24tapd1fb6stko0...@4ax.com>, Ajo Wissink
<a...@notrealaddress.invalid> says...

> Apparently the gmail servers you have to deal with (in Italy?) get
> new certificates much more often than the gmail servers that other
> people are using.
>

Me too have to repeat the procedure of adding the certificate every few
days (Croatia). It's been a long time since when I have to add the
certivficates for the incoming mail, however the problems with outgoing
mail started only a few weeks ago.

Interesting, sometimes I can send the mail without adding the
certificate if I just wait for a few minutes and retry. However, if I
add the certificate then I can send the mail the next moment after.

The other thing is - the certificates for receiving and sending the
mail seem to expire a few days one after another.
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Chupo

[news4la]

I have used Dream Mail and Pegasus Mail as well. They come close to Eudora 7.1.

[Arw]

These days (UK, late 2015) I find Eudora complains of invalid GMail SSL certificates every week, usually on Wednesdays, when she fetches GMail. So I am used to 'trusting' a new SSL certificate every week, it takes less than 10 seconds and is a small price to pay to keep the faithful old girl happy.

Right-click the Gmail Personality, go Properties > click the Incoming Mail tab. The Negotiation status box will probably say 'failed'. Click Last SSL Info button and then click the large Certificate Information Manager button. Open the Server Certificates [+] until you see the entry for Google POP. As the manual says, the skull & crossbones icon means it's untrusted by Eudora. Click the button Add to Trusted and Done.

Now Gmail can be fetched again and the SSL error won't appear (till next Wednesday anyway).

HTH Alan

[Mutlley]

For these reasons I gave up on Eudora last year after using it since
1995. I think it was about version 1.5 then. Went to eM Client.
Seems to work well..

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

> I have used Dream Mail and Pegasus Mail as well. They come close to Eudora 7.1.

Hi, it is possible to import mailboxes from Eudora to them?
thanks