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ClamRake
Apr 29, 2016, 12:44:57 AM4/29/16
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I joined the Eudroa-Win List-mom, http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-win/,
at the suggestion from my thread above on the SSL issues that suddenly
happened with my Eudora Emails,
It seemed to be a fairly lively list-serve. But it seems to have gone
"dark" all of a sudden? Since joining it I had been seeing a large
number of posts on different Eudora subjects. And then yesterday
afternoon there was only 1 post. Since then, NO posts have come thru?
With the absence of activity again all day today, I am wondering what
may have happened?
Does anyone here participate in that list-serve?
Kind of a bummer since my issue has not yet been resolved. I finally
am getting somewhere gathering the log data they had suggested that I
post for the group to review.
So I posted a message that I could probably post the relevant logs
over the weekend, Normally I would see that post going out to the
group thru the list serve within minutes. But so far nothing has
showed up.
ClamRake
at the suggestion from my thread above on the SSL issues that suddenly
happened with my Eudora Emails,
It seemed to be a fairly lively list-serve. But it seems to have gone
"dark" all of a sudden? Since joining it I had been seeing a large
number of posts on different Eudora subjects. And then yesterday
afternoon there was only 1 post. Since then, NO posts have come thru?
With the absence of activity again all day today, I am wondering what
may have happened?
Does anyone here participate in that list-serve?
Kind of a bummer since my issue has not yet been resolved. I finally
am getting somewhere gathering the log data they had suggested that I
post for the group to review.
So I posted a message that I could probably post the relevant logs
over the weekend, Normally I would see that post going out to the
group thru the list serve within minutes. But so far nothing has
showed up.
ClamRake
Ajo Wissink
Apr 29, 2016, 9:25:29 AM4/29/16
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:44:56 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
wrote:
It is not unusual that the list goes dormant for some time, even
several days, but if your latest message has not appeared yet it is
possible that something has gone wrong somewhere. I suggest that you
repost that message.
Ajo Wissink
wrote:
several days, but if your latest message has not appeared yet it is
possible that something has gone wrong somewhere. I suggest that you
repost that message.
Ajo Wissink
ClamRake
Apr 29, 2016, 1:33:49 PM4/29/16
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:25:21 -0300, Ajo Wissink
<a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:44:56 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>wrote:
>
(snipped)
<a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:44:56 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>It seemed to be a fairly lively list-serve. But it seems to have gone
>>"dark" all of a sudden? Since joining it I had been seeing a large
>>number of posts on different Eudora subjects. And then yesterday
>>afternoon there was only 1 post. Since then, NO posts have come thru?
>>
(snipped)
>>It seemed to be a fairly lively list-serve. But it seems to have gone
>>"dark" all of a sudden? Since joining it I had been seeing a large
>>number of posts on different Eudora subjects. And then yesterday
>>afternoon there was only 1 post. Since then, NO posts have come thru?
>>
>>So I posted a message that I could probably post the relevant logs
>>over the weekend, Normally I would see that post going out to the
>>group thru the list serve within minutes. But so far nothing has
>>showed up.
>>
>>ClamRake
>
>It is not unusual that the list goes dormant for some time, even
>several days, but if your latest message has not appeared yet it is
>possible that something has gone wrong somewhere. I suggest that you
>repost that message.
>
>Ajo Wissink
Ajo,
>>over the weekend, Normally I would see that post going out to the
>>group thru the list serve within minutes. But so far nothing has
>>showed up.
>>
>>ClamRake
>
>It is not unusual that the list goes dormant for some time, even
>several days, but if your latest message has not appeared yet it is
>possible that something has gone wrong somewhere. I suggest that you
>repost that message.
>
>Ajo Wissink
Thanks for your reply. Just got the mail daemon mesage: So my
post from last night appears looks not to be getting to the
hades.listmoms.net.
"WARNING message 1avz7U-0002SA-1i delayed 8 hours"
The address to which the message has not yet been delivered is:
eudor...@hades.listmoms.net
Just pinged the hades,listmoms.net URL and it does not reply. So have
to guess they are having some major issues.
Thinking about emailing Katrina directly (The way its setup that list
serve gives out each mposters actual email address) But I'd guess she
knows about the issue by now, since she's so active on that list.
Guess I'll just have to wait & see what happens.
regards,
ClamRake
ClamRake
Apr 29, 2016, 1:40:07 PM4/29/16
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Just checked the URL with the "Is It Down" web site:
http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/hades.listmoms.net.html
And "Hades.listmoms.net" shows as being "down for everyone"
ClanRake
http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/hades.listmoms.net.html
And "Hades.listmoms.net" shows as being "down for everyone"
ClanRake
Micky
Apr 29, 2016, 3:42:01 PM4/29/16
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:40:04 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
wrote:
I like this website. It will come in handy.
My buddy is a little down, but it didn't report that.
But I was going to post after your first post. I posted a day or two
ago and I've gotten two messages that reception is delayed. I posted
it again but it hasn't shown up. And I posted something else that
also hasn't appeared. Then I saw your post above.
Katrina said she was going some place where there is no internet. I
didn't know that was permitted for anyone under 50, but maybe they
shut it down while she was gone (A worthy tribute, even though there
are other lists there that she doesn't post to.)
wrote:
My buddy is a little down, but it didn't report that.
But I was going to post after your first post. I posted a day or two
ago and I've gotten two messages that reception is delayed. I posted
it again but it hasn't shown up. And I posted something else that
also hasn't appeared. Then I saw your post above.
Katrina said she was going some place where there is no internet. I
didn't know that was permitted for anyone under 50, but maybe they
shut it down while she was gone (A worthy tribute, even though there
are other lists there that she doesn't post to.)
Micky
Apr 29, 2016, 3:45:09 PM4/29/16
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>I joined the Eudroa-Win List-mom, http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-win/,
>at the suggestion from my thread above on the SSL issues that suddenly
Didn't Katrina end up saying it wasn't an SSL issue?
>at the suggestion from my thread above on the SSL issues that suddenly
>happened with my Eudora Emails,
>
>It seemed to be a fairly lively list-serve. But it seems to have gone
>"dark" all of a sudden? Since joining it I had been seeing a large
>number of posts on different Eudora subjects. And then yesterday
>afternoon there was only 1 post. Since then, NO posts have come thru?
trouble (with someone other than Katrina). (It's prohibited in the
welcome letter, but it was a year since I'd read it.) One can always
find a Eudora topic to ask about.
Ajo Wissink
Apr 29, 2016, 4:38:19 PM4/29/16
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Ajo W
ClamRake
Apr 29, 2016, 8:25:27 PM4/29/16
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Ajo Wissink
Apr 29, 2016, 10:53:35 PM4/29/16
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:25:24 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:38:11 -0300, Ajo Wissink
><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:40:04 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Just checked the URL with the "Is It Down" web site:
>>>
>>>http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/hades.listmoms.net.html
>>>
>>>And "Hades.listmoms.net" shows as being "down for everyone"
>>>
>>>ClanRake
>>
>>Maybe Vince made a wrong move :-(
>>
>>Ajo W
>
> Vince ??
Vincent Sabio who does all the work on the Gazelle List Server.
>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:38:11 -0300, Ajo Wissink
><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:40:04 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Just checked the URL with the "Is It Down" web site:
>>>
>>>http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/hades.listmoms.net.html
>>>
>>>And "Hades.listmoms.net" shows as being "down for everyone"
>>>
>>>ClanRake
>>
>>Maybe Vince made a wrong move :-(
>>
>>Ajo W
>
> Vince ??
ClamRake
Apr 30, 2016, 1:53:46 AM4/30/16
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 23:53:29 -0300, Ajo Wissink
In the meantime I guess I'll be working on getting Stunnel.set up.
ad=nd then running Eudora non-ssl thru the secure tunnel.
There was a lot of talk going on about Pandora as perhaps a modern
look similar & operate similar but much more modern replacement.
hades.listmoms.net resolves to IP = 71.126.154.136
registrar = networksolutions.com
registered to as you said
Sabio, Vincent
Smart Mail Solutions, Inc.
11160-C1 South Lakes Drive
Reston, VA 20191 : US
Phone: +1.4103814389
<a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:25:24 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:38:11 -0300, Ajo Wissink
>>>
>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:25:24 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:38:11 -0300, Ajo Wissink
>>>
>>>Maybe Vince made a wrong move :-(
>>>
>>>Ajo W
>>
>> Vince ??
>
>Vincent Sabio who does all the work on the Gazelle List Server.
Interesting, Wonder what happened?
>>>
>>>Ajo W
>>
>> Vince ??
>
>Vincent Sabio who does all the work on the Gazelle List Server.
In the meantime I guess I'll be working on getting Stunnel.set up.
ad=nd then running Eudora non-ssl thru the secure tunnel.
There was a lot of talk going on about Pandora as perhaps a modern
look similar & operate similar but much more modern replacement.
hades.listmoms.net resolves to IP = 71.126.154.136
registrar = networksolutions.com
registered to as you said
Sabio, Vincent
Smart Mail Solutions, Inc.
11160-C1 South Lakes Drive
Reston, VA 20191 : US
Phone: +1.4103814389
Micky
Apr 30, 2016, 2:23:14 AM4/30/16
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 01:53:42 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
disconnected things, like at NPR.
wrote:
>
>>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:38:11 -0300, Ajo Wissink
>
>>>>
>>>>Maybe Vince made a wrong move :-(
>>>>
>>>>Ajo W
>>>
>>> Vince ??
>>
>>Vincent Sabio who does all the work on the Gazelle List Server.
>
>Interesting, Wonder what happened?
It was Take your Kid to Work Day. Maybe one of the kids
>
>>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:38:11 -0300, Ajo Wissink
>
>>>>
>>>>Maybe Vince made a wrong move :-(
>>>>
>>>>Ajo W
>>>
>>> Vince ??
>>
>>Vincent Sabio who does all the work on the Gazelle List Server.
>
>Interesting, Wonder what happened?
disconnected things, like at NPR.
Ajo Wissink
Apr 30, 2016, 8:23:48 AM4/30/16
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Ajo Wissink
Apr 30, 2016, 12:58:48 PM4/30/16
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:26:29 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 01:53:42 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>declaimed the following:
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 01:53:42 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>
>>There was a lot of talk going on about Pandora as perhaps a modern
>>look similar & operate similar but much more modern replacement.
>>
> Recent or historical... Google found one reference to a "Pandora" email
>>There was a lot of talk going on about Pandora as perhaps a modern
>>look similar & operate similar but much more modern replacement.
>>
>client -- and that was a "talk" page on Wikipedia stating the page was
>edited to use "Penelope" as the name.
>
> Penelope became Eudora OSE -- which is just an old version of
>Thunderbird with a new skin over it.
>
> Odysseus -> MailForge was supposed to be a black-box rewrite of the
>Eudora functionality, but it ceased development a few years ago.
Dennis, this is about an entirely new development. The author is
Brana Bujenovitch who announced it in a recent thread (attachment
stowing, April 15). Brana is well known for his plugins by everyone
using Eudora. It is still a beta version, but I think it is very
promising.
http://www.drivehq.com/web/brana/pandora.htm
Ajo Wissink
Micky
Apr 30, 2016, 4:11:40 PM4/30/16
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>or by Sarah Palin.
She's hoping to be Secretary of Hunting.
Jim Thompson
Apr 30, 2016, 5:47:48 PM4/30/16
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:11:34 -0400, Micky
...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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DEMOCRAT
The Party of Sexual Deviants and Unions Covering for Bad Teachers
<NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:23:45 -0300, Ajo Wissink
><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 02:23:03 -0400, Micky
>><NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 01:53:42 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:38:11 -0300, Ajo Wissink
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Maybe Vince made a wrong move :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ajo W
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vince ??
>>>>>
>>>>>Vincent Sabio who does all the work on the Gazelle List Server.
>>>>
>>>>Interesting, Wonder what happened?
>>
>>>It was Take your Kid to Work Day. Maybe one of the kids
>>>disconnected things, like at NPR.
>>
>>Or the gazelle was shot my an American dentist
>
>You heard about him, huh. And you're not in the US iirc?
>
>>or by Sarah Palin.
>
>She's hoping to be Secretary of Hunting.
.... hunting Democrats >:-}
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:23:45 -0300, Ajo Wissink
><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 02:23:03 -0400, Micky
>><NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 01:53:42 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:38:11 -0300, Ajo Wissink
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Maybe Vince made a wrong move :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ajo W
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vince ??
>>>>>
>>>>>Vincent Sabio who does all the work on the Gazelle List Server.
>>>>
>>>>Interesting, Wonder what happened?
>>
>>>It was Take your Kid to Work Day. Maybe one of the kids
>>>disconnected things, like at NPR.
>>
>>Or the gazelle was shot my an American dentist
>
>You heard about him, huh. And you're not in the US iirc?
>
>>or by Sarah Palin.
>
>She's hoping to be Secretary of Hunting.
...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
DEMOCRAT
The Party of Sexual Deviants and Unions Covering for Bad Teachers
Ajo Wissink
Apr 30, 2016, 9:09:02 PM4/30/16
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:47:47 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:11:34 -0400, Micky
><NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:23:45 -0300, Ajo Wissink
>><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 02:23:03 -0400, Micky
>>><NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 01:53:42 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:38:11 -0300, Ajo Wissink
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Maybe Vince made a wrong move :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ajo W
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vince ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vincent Sabio who does all the work on the Gazelle List Server.
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting, Wonder what happened?
>>>
>>>>It was Take your Kid to Work Day. Maybe one of the kids
>>>>disconnected things, like at NPR.
>>>
>>>Or the gazelle was shot my an American dentist
>>
>>You heard about him, huh. And you're not in the US iirc?
North of the border, in New Brunswick.
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:11:34 -0400, Micky
><NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:23:45 -0300, Ajo Wissink
>><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 02:23:03 -0400, Micky
>>><NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 01:53:42 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:38:11 -0300, Ajo Wissink
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Maybe Vince made a wrong move :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ajo W
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vince ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vincent Sabio who does all the work on the Gazelle List Server.
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting, Wonder what happened?
>>>
>>>>It was Take your Kid to Work Day. Maybe one of the kids
>>>>disconnected things, like at NPR.
>>>
>>>Or the gazelle was shot my an American dentist
>>
>>You heard about him, huh. And you're not in the US iirc?
inv...@msn.com
Apr 30, 2016, 9:09:44 PM4/30/16
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:47:47 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>
> DEMOCRAT
>
>The Party of Sexual Deviants and Unions Covering for Bad Teachers
So why is it that almost all the sexual perverts in politics are
>
>The Party of Sexual Deviants and Unions Covering for Bad Teachers
Republicans, Dennis Hastert, Mark Foley, David Vitter, Larry Craig,
Philip Giordano, Strom Thurmond, and many many more. This url lists
about 165 (one hundred sixtyfive):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1709387
Though mostly not deviant, here is more adultery by Republicans,
including one woman, Mark Sanford, and John Ensign.
http://jesusnorepublican.org/+Reasonable/gopimmorality.html
Some or a lot of duplication with the lists above. Can't tell. My
pervert-matching app is in the shop now:
http://recoveringliberal.com/?page_id=765
Not only that, but WHILE they are committing perverted sex acts or
cheating on their wives, those same Republicans are often the loudest
champions of "family values" and the loudest objectors to the real and
imaginary sins of others. So add hypocrisy to their list.
The only 2 Democrats in Congress I can think of who got in trouble for
sex were into heterosexual sex with adult women. It was tasteless or
worse but not deviant.
Another fantasy sig of yours:
> The touchstone of liberalism is intolerance
It's conservatives who are intolerant, of just about everything that's
not like them. And it's the complaint of conservatives and sometimes
me too that liberals are too tolerant, but part of what it means to be
liberal is to be tolerant. You must mean that they are intolerant of
your friends' intolerance, and that is probably true, but the idea
that intolerance is the *touchstone* of liberalism is assbackwards.
You live in a fantasy world when you think Republicans do better than
or even as well as Democrats on either sex or tolerance.
Join the real world.
Micky
May 1, 2016, 9:47:07 PM5/1/16
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On Sun, 01 May 2016 11:06:48 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:58:42 -0300, Ajo Wissink
><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> declaimed the following:
> <snip>
>search (I'm surprised I even found the one link I did, given how much of
>that page was swamped by the Pandora music distribution system)
Another reason to change its name.
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:58:42 -0300, Ajo Wissink
><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> declaimed the following:
> <snip>
>>> Recent or historical... Google found one reference to a "Pandora" email
>>>client -- and that was a "talk" page on Wikipedia stating the page was
>>>edited to use "Penelope" as the name.
>>>
> <snip>
>>>client -- and that was a "talk" page on Wikipedia stating the page was
>>>edited to use "Penelope" as the name.
>>>
>>Dennis, this is about an entirely new development. The author is
>>Brana Bujenovitch who announced it in a recent thread (attachment
>>stowing, April 15). Brana is well known for his plugins by everyone
>>using Eudora. It is still a beta version, but I think it is very
>>promising.
>>
>
> Okay -- "recent" then; too new to show up in the first page of a Google
>>Brana Bujenovitch who announced it in a recent thread (attachment
>>stowing, April 15). Brana is well known for his plugins by everyone
>>using Eudora. It is still a beta version, but I think it is very
>>promising.
>>
>
>search (I'm surprised I even found the one link I did, given how much of
>that page was swamped by the Pandora music distribution system)
Another reason to change its name.
Ajo Wissink
May 1, 2016, 11:15:52 PM5/1/16
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On Sun, 01 May 2016 11:06:48 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:58:42 -0300, Ajo Wissink
><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> declaimed the following:
>
> <snip>
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:58:42 -0300, Ajo Wissink
><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> declaimed the following:
>
>>> Recent or historical... Google found one reference to a "Pandora" email
>>>client -- and that was a "talk" page on Wikipedia stating the page was
>>>edited to use "Penelope" as the name.
>>>
> <snip>
>>>client -- and that was a "talk" page on Wikipedia stating the page was
>>>edited to use "Penelope" as the name.
>>>
>>Dennis, this is about an entirely new development. The author is
>>Brana Bujenovitch who announced it in a recent thread (attachment
>>stowing, April 15). Brana is well known for his plugins by everyone
>>using Eudora. It is still a beta version, but I think it is very
>>promising.
>>
>>Brana Bujenovitch who announced it in a recent thread (attachment
>>stowing, April 15). Brana is well known for his plugins by everyone
>>using Eudora. It is still a beta version, but I think it is very
>>promising.
>>
> Okay -- "recent" then; too new to show up in the first page of a Google
>search (I'm surprised I even found the one link I did, given how much of
>that page was swamped by the Pandora music distribution system)
Yes, that is a problem with Google Groups. They don't sort the threads
>search (I'm surprised I even found the one link I did, given how much of
>that page was swamped by the Pandora music distribution system)
by date as is being done with news readers such as Agent.The thread I
was talking about is only 6 threads removed from this one and was
started on the 15th of April. The third (and last) post in that thread
does not appear in Google Groups because the author (Dennis Lee
Bieber) has opted for "no archive" :-)
BTW I misspelled Brana's last name. It is Bujenovic. Sorry for that.
Ajo Wissink
Chris Sanburn
May 2, 2016, 1:59:24 PM5/2/16
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On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 12:44:57 AM UTC-4, ClamRake wrote:
> I joined the Eudroa-Win List-mom, http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-win/,
> at the suggestion from my thread above on the SSL issues that suddenly
> happened with my Eudora Emails,
Saw on update on the Listmoms Facebook page:
> I joined the Eudroa-Win List-mom, http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-win/,
> at the suggestion from my thread above on the SSL issues that suddenly
> happened with my Eudora Emails,
Hades appears to be down (server is unresponsive). This means that the production lists -- Mac-L, Photoshop, Eudora-Win, and the like -- are off line. As one might expect, this has happened on a weekend that I am away. I hope to be able to get to (and troubleshoot) the server Monday evening.
FYI, e-mail that is sent to Hades will queue for a while -- but typically not more than 3 days, meaning that your messages to the list(s) are likely to be returned to you if Hades stays down more than 3 days.
I will update Hades's status here once I've had a chance to diagnose the patient. --VS
Chris Sanburn
May 2, 2016, 2:01:39 PM5/2/16
to
Micky
May 2, 2016, 5:17:05 PM5/2/16
to
that now I think you might think there IS no problem, since 3 years
have passed. For the record, though I am not complaining, my emails
are indeed queuing, and I get a semi-bounce message every day or two
from anything I've posted. I don't go to the webpage because I have
faith that one of youse guys will notice the problem and fix it some
day, and that's good enough for me.
Chris Sanburn
May 2, 2016, 5:52:51 PM5/2/16
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>
> Well, I'm not complaning, and I wouldn't even report a problem, except
> that now I think you might think there IS no problem, since 3 years
> have passed. For the record, though I am not complaining, my emails
> are indeed queuing, and I get a semi-bounce message every day or two
> from anything I've posted. I don't go to the webpage because I have
> faith that one of youse guys will notice the problem and fix it some
> day, and that's good enough for me.
I went to the more recent postings and they do confirm there was some major hard drive problem that is being worked on:
> Well, I'm not complaning, and I wouldn't even report a problem, except
> that now I think you might think there IS no problem, since 3 years
> have passed. For the record, though I am not complaining, my emails
> are indeed queuing, and I get a semi-bounce message every day or two
> from anything I've posted. I don't go to the webpage because I have
> faith that one of youse guys will notice the problem and fix it some
> day, and that's good enough for me.
https://www.facebook.com/Listmoms/
"Update on Hades: It's in bad shape. As I mentioned earlier, the system disks that compose the RAID-1 were very corrupt. Unfortunately, so is the backup disk. I was able to get the system disks to the point of readability, to some degree -- but /etc is unreadable (actually, just trying to stat the directory throws an error and causes a kernel panic), and the user directories and the top-level Gazelle directory are now identically-sized ASCII text files containing crond audit t..."
Micky
May 2, 2016, 7:45:04 PM5/2/16
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:33:46 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
She's on some sort of vacation now, without internet access.
>Guess I'll just have to wait & see what happens.
>
>regards,
>ClamRake
I happened to read the Welcome email again, and it gives a Facebook
page with the status of Hades.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Clio-Listmom-Cartel/84490778116
It's in the same paragraph that says not to post test messages.
Sure enough, it's down.
To be obstinate, I left off the numbers and it didn't work. I guess
they use them to distinguish themselves from tthe other 84 billion
Clio-Listmom-Cartel Facebook pages.
>Guess I'll just have to wait & see what happens.
>
>regards,
>ClamRake
page with the status of Hades.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Clio-Listmom-Cartel/84490778116
It's in the same paragraph that says not to post test messages.
Sure enough, it's down.
To be obstinate, I left off the numbers and it didn't work. I guess
they use them to distinguish themselves from tthe other 84 billion
Clio-Listmom-Cartel Facebook pages.
ClamRake
May 2, 2016, 9:58:06 PM5/2/16
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this be happening? That seems kind of a less than ideal approch for
doing a list server doesn't it?
And if they know about the problems, oneI might have thought they
would
1) post a notice here &
2) use their email list to contact recent major or prolific posters &
3) maybe they should have had a backup plan with another list server
setup to at least send out a "we're alive but off the internet for a
bit" email to their whole list-serve.
So I'm both puzzled and wonder what if any advantage there is to a
single location hosted list serve as opposed to a usenet newsgroup?
btw I now have my SSl emails working entirely thru Stunnel. Which was
the opriginal problem I'd psted on in an earlier thread. I'll post
more on that later.
ClamRake
Micky
May 2, 2016, 10:40:40 PM5/2/16
to
On Mon, 2 May 2016 14:52:50 -0700 (PDT), Chris Sanburn
<csan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I'm not complaning, and I wouldn't even report a problem, except
>> that now I think you might think there IS no problem, since 3 years
>> have passed. For the record, though I am not complaining, my emails
>> are indeed queuing, and I get a semi-bounce message every day or two
>> from anything I've posted. I don't go to the webpage because I have
>> faith that one of youse guys will notice the problem and fix it some
>> day, and that's good enough for me.
>
>I went to the more recent postings and they do confirm there was some major hard drive problem that is being worked on:
>https://www.facebook.com/Listmoms/
This page looks the same as the one I just posted about:
<csan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I'm not complaning, and I wouldn't even report a problem, except
>> that now I think you might think there IS no problem, since 3 years
>> have passed. For the record, though I am not complaining, my emails
>> are indeed queuing, and I get a semi-bounce message every day or two
>> from anything I've posted. I don't go to the webpage because I have
>> faith that one of youse guys will notice the problem and fix it some
>> day, and that's good enough for me.
>
>I went to the more recent postings and they do confirm there was some major hard drive problem that is being worked on:
>https://www.facebook.com/Listmoms/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Clio-Listmom-Cartel/84490778116
And much shorter too!
How strange!
Micky
May 2, 2016, 11:09:07 PM5/2/16
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On Mon, 02 May 2016 21:57:53 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 2 May 2016 14:52:50 -0700 (PDT), Chris Sanburn
><csan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Well, I'm not complaning, and I wouldn't even report a problem, except
>>> that now I think you might think there IS no problem, since 3 years
>>> have passed. For the record, though I am not complaining, my emails
>>> are indeed queuing, and I get a semi-bounce message every day or two
>>> from anything I've posted. I don't go to the webpage because I have
>>> faith that one of youse guys will notice the problem and fix it some
>>> day, and that's good enough for me.
>>
>>I went to the more recent postings and they do confirm there was some major hard drive problem that is being worked on:
>>https://www.facebook.com/Listmoms/
>>
>>"Update on Hades: It's in bad shape. As I mentioned earlier, the system disks that compose the RAID-1 were very corrupt. Unfortunately, so is the backup disk. I was able to get the system disks to the point of readability, to some degree -- but /etc is unreadable (actually, just trying to stat the directory throws an error and causes a kernel panic), and the user directories and the top-level Gazelle directory are now identically-sized ASCII text files containing crond audit t..."
>
>Interesting? So Hades is a self hosted server? Otherwise why would
>this be happening? That seems kind of a less than ideal approch for
>doing a list server doesn't it?
>
>And if they know about the problems, oneI might have thought they
>would
>1) post a notice here &
This ng really has nothing to do with the mailing list. That's why I
don't recomment the list unless the posters, including me, are out of
ideas. Even then I feel a bit presumptuous doing that, though no one
here seems proprietary or insulted.
When people subscribe to any of the lists, they send a Welcome email
which lists their Facebook page which gives the current status.
>9. PROBLEMS
>
>First and foremost, DO NOT POST 'TEST' MESSAGES TO THE LIST!
>......
>If the list, web, or mail server appears to be down, you can get up-to-the-minute status via our Facebook site (you might need to set up a Facebook profile to access this page):
I was searching for someone about 5 years ago and had what I thought
was trouble, so I signed up for Facebook, but it didn't help, so I
suspect no profile is needed for this page either. ****Alert. I
thought to log out and try to find someone, and I can't even get to
the search page, only the Signup Page, so I guess one does need a
profile. That shows what 5 years can do.
>
> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Clio-Listmom6-Cartel/8449077811>
>
>At the top of the page, there will be a button that says, "Become a Fan."
This doesn't seem to be true anymore.
>Once you become a "fan" of the Clio Listmom Cartel site, you will automatically see updates from us whenever you log in to Facebook.
Which means this would not be true, unless there is another way.
> (Those updates will occur only when there are problems with the servers.) If you choose not to "become a fan," you can still get up-to-the-minute status by manually checking the page.
But this would still be true, either way.
>Thus, if everything seems to be running fine, there's no need to go check the Facebook page. But if things seem to be mysteriously quiet, checking the Facebook page should be your first step (even before trying to contact the Listmoms; if the site is down, you might not be able to contact us, anyway).
>
>For those who do not want to use Facebook, you can check our "emergency" web page for server/site updates; it now mirrors the most recent Facebook status:
>
> <http://www.listmoms-emergency.net/>"
The one just above is not current but the first one is.
>2) use their email list to contact recent major or prolific posters &
>3) maybe they should have had a backup plan with another list server
>setup to at least send out a "we're alive but off the internet for a
>bit" email to their whole list-serve.
AFAIC, one shouldn't look a gift-horse in the mouth.
I'm just amazed that one person has so much patience and so much
unpaid-for time, especially since she seems to have a paid job for 40
or more hours a week. Most people on Usenet answer questions
occasionally when they know the answer or even frequently, but she
answers far more most days than anyone else I've seen, and she doesn't
object when the topic isn't specifically Eudora, and her answers will
often be detailed, often far more detailed than I think should be
necessary. And you may not have been there long enough to notice, but
she'll answer the same question over and over, even after pointing out
that the answer was already posted in the same thread iirc.
>So I'm both puzzled and wonder what if any advantage there is to a
>single location hosted list serve as opposed to a usenet newsgroup?
>
>btw I now have my SSl emails working entirely thru Stunnel. Which was
Very good.
Also, that should encourage others here who have trouble with Gmail,
etc.
wrote:
>On Mon, 2 May 2016 14:52:50 -0700 (PDT), Chris Sanburn
><csan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Well, I'm not complaning, and I wouldn't even report a problem, except
>>> that now I think you might think there IS no problem, since 3 years
>>> have passed. For the record, though I am not complaining, my emails
>>> are indeed queuing, and I get a semi-bounce message every day or two
>>> from anything I've posted. I don't go to the webpage because I have
>>> faith that one of youse guys will notice the problem and fix it some
>>> day, and that's good enough for me.
>>
>>I went to the more recent postings and they do confirm there was some major hard drive problem that is being worked on:
>>https://www.facebook.com/Listmoms/
>>
>>"Update on Hades: It's in bad shape. As I mentioned earlier, the system disks that compose the RAID-1 were very corrupt. Unfortunately, so is the backup disk. I was able to get the system disks to the point of readability, to some degree -- but /etc is unreadable (actually, just trying to stat the directory throws an error and causes a kernel panic), and the user directories and the top-level Gazelle directory are now identically-sized ASCII text files containing crond audit t..."
>
>Interesting? So Hades is a self hosted server? Otherwise why would
>this be happening? That seems kind of a less than ideal approch for
>doing a list server doesn't it?
>
>And if they know about the problems, oneI might have thought they
>would
>1) post a notice here &
don't recomment the list unless the posters, including me, are out of
ideas. Even then I feel a bit presumptuous doing that, though no one
here seems proprietary or insulted.
When people subscribe to any of the lists, they send a Welcome email
which lists their Facebook page which gives the current status.
>9. PROBLEMS
>
>First and foremost, DO NOT POST 'TEST' MESSAGES TO THE LIST!
>......
>If the list, web, or mail server appears to be down, you can get up-to-the-minute status via our Facebook site (you might need to set up a Facebook profile to access this page):
I was searching for someone about 5 years ago and had what I thought
was trouble, so I signed up for Facebook, but it didn't help, so I
suspect no profile is needed for this page either. ****Alert. I
thought to log out and try to find someone, and I can't even get to
the search page, only the Signup Page, so I guess one does need a
profile. That shows what 5 years can do.
>
> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Clio-Listmom6-Cartel/8449077811>
>
>At the top of the page, there will be a button that says, "Become a Fan."
This doesn't seem to be true anymore.
>Once you become a "fan" of the Clio Listmom Cartel site, you will automatically see updates from us whenever you log in to Facebook.
Which means this would not be true, unless there is another way.
> (Those updates will occur only when there are problems with the servers.) If you choose not to "become a fan," you can still get up-to-the-minute status by manually checking the page.
But this would still be true, either way.
>Thus, if everything seems to be running fine, there's no need to go check the Facebook page. But if things seem to be mysteriously quiet, checking the Facebook page should be your first step (even before trying to contact the Listmoms; if the site is down, you might not be able to contact us, anyway).
>
>For those who do not want to use Facebook, you can check our "emergency" web page for server/site updates; it now mirrors the most recent Facebook status:
>
> <http://www.listmoms-emergency.net/>"
The one just above is not current but the first one is.
>2) use their email list to contact recent major or prolific posters &
>3) maybe they should have had a backup plan with another list server
>setup to at least send out a "we're alive but off the internet for a
>bit" email to their whole list-serve.
I'm just amazed that one person has so much patience and so much
unpaid-for time, especially since she seems to have a paid job for 40
or more hours a week. Most people on Usenet answer questions
occasionally when they know the answer or even frequently, but she
answers far more most days than anyone else I've seen, and she doesn't
object when the topic isn't specifically Eudora, and her answers will
often be detailed, often far more detailed than I think should be
necessary. And you may not have been there long enough to notice, but
she'll answer the same question over and over, even after pointing out
that the answer was already posted in the same thread iirc.
>So I'm both puzzled and wonder what if any advantage there is to a
>single location hosted list serve as opposed to a usenet newsgroup?
>
>btw I now have my SSl emails working entirely thru Stunnel. Which was
Also, that should encourage others here who have trouble with Gmail,
etc.
ClamRake
May 2, 2016, 11:40:10 PM5/2/16
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Micky
Not to be arguementative, but these are all support groups. So with
the emphasis on support, I would expect there would always be some
interaction. It's not a competition, after all.
So I's say that absolutely there should be a post here relative to
this Gazelle list serve on occasion.
But as to Facebook > A pretty bad choice for a tech oriented support
group. For us No way !!! FB's blocked at our firewalls & servers &
hosts files, & in browsers etc.. And always will be.
Well unless they decide to met my TOS data & tracking fees. >:-}
ClamRake
Not to be arguementative, but these are all support groups. So with
the emphasis on support, I would expect there would always be some
interaction. It's not a competition, after all.
So I's say that absolutely there should be a post here relative to
this Gazelle list serve on occasion.
But as to Facebook > A pretty bad choice for a tech oriented support
group. For us No way !!! FB's blocked at our firewalls & servers &
hosts files, & in browsers etc.. And always will be.
Well unless they decide to met my TOS data & tracking fees. >:-}
ClamRake
Micky
May 3, 2016, 4:44:12 AM5/3/16
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On Mon, 02 May 2016 23:39:57 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
wrote:
> Micky
>
>Not to be arguementative, but these are all support groups. So with
>the emphasis on support, I would expect there would always be some
>interaction. It's not a competition, after all.
They are support groups but they are voluntary and free.
You make it sound like we have some rights on Usenet or Listmoms, and
I think we have none. Or that the posters, maintainers, moderators,
and support staff have duties, and except to not be rude when not
provoked, and not to knowingly give false information, and not to
exaggerate what one knows, I think they have none.
Besides my previous aphorism, I'd add, "Beggars can't be choosers".
I would expect them to do whatever they feel like doing for the many
possible reasons people can have.
of email, the seeming death of their webpage, and the thread here,
you'll know it's back when you start getting emails from them. I
think Vince said that he wouldn't be done before Sunday night (2 days
ago) and he seems to be right!
I don't know what website was down, because I didn't bother to look,
but http://www.listmoms.net/ is up now. However it has no
information and the Emergency Information just says what it said in
the Welcome email, including a reference to
http://www.listmoms-emergency.net/ which hasn't been updated since
2009. But I think they're entitled to run things any way they want.
I save my complaining for people I pay, like my bank.
As to FB, even though my high school has a website, and even though I
went to the most prosperous public high school in Indiana, so that
after 50 years, at least half of the class surely could afford to have
another webpage, my high school reunion committee chose to put its
information on Facebook. Since they had started planning and posting
6 or 12 months before I thought to check, it took me iirc literally 20
minutes to get though the posts made after the one where they said
when and where the reunion was. I told myself I was enjoying reading
the posts, even though I don't think a one mentioned anyone I knew
(Even though I somehow knew at least a little bit 400 of the 700 in
the class.) I think I ended up telephoning** someone, maybe the
school itself or whoever was listed as chairman, to find out when the
reunion was. I probably should have gone. I went to my 20th and
enjoyed it. One old friend recognized me when I still had my back
facing into the room, I think. But of the 400 people I once knew, I
think I talked to fewer than 10. (7 or 10 who showed up of the 20 who
were in about 3 classes with me every semester.)
**I like the telephone. It's something I undestand.
wrote:
> Micky
>
>Not to be arguementative, but these are all support groups. So with
>the emphasis on support, I would expect there would always be some
>interaction. It's not a competition, after all.
You make it sound like we have some rights on Usenet or Listmoms, and
I think we have none. Or that the posters, maintainers, moderators,
and support staff have duties, and except to not be rude when not
provoked, and not to knowingly give false information, and not to
exaggerate what one knows, I think they have none.
Besides my previous aphorism, I'd add, "Beggars can't be choosers".
I would expect them to do whatever they feel like doing for the many
possible reasons people can have.
>
>So I's say that absolutely there should be a post here relative to
>this Gazelle list serve on occasion.
>
>But as to Facebook > A pretty bad choice for a tech oriented support
>group. For us No way !!! FB's blocked at our firewalls & servers &
>hosts files, & in browsers etc.. And always will be.
That is a problem. But now that you know it's down, from the lack
>So I's say that absolutely there should be a post here relative to
>this Gazelle list serve on occasion.
>
>But as to Facebook > A pretty bad choice for a tech oriented support
>group. For us No way !!! FB's blocked at our firewalls & servers &
>hosts files, & in browsers etc.. And always will be.
of email, the seeming death of their webpage, and the thread here,
you'll know it's back when you start getting emails from them. I
think Vince said that he wouldn't be done before Sunday night (2 days
ago) and he seems to be right!
I don't know what website was down, because I didn't bother to look,
but http://www.listmoms.net/ is up now. However it has no
information and the Emergency Information just says what it said in
the Welcome email, including a reference to
http://www.listmoms-emergency.net/ which hasn't been updated since
2009. But I think they're entitled to run things any way they want.
I save my complaining for people I pay, like my bank.
As to FB, even though my high school has a website, and even though I
went to the most prosperous public high school in Indiana, so that
after 50 years, at least half of the class surely could afford to have
another webpage, my high school reunion committee chose to put its
information on Facebook. Since they had started planning and posting
6 or 12 months before I thought to check, it took me iirc literally 20
minutes to get though the posts made after the one where they said
when and where the reunion was. I told myself I was enjoying reading
the posts, even though I don't think a one mentioned anyone I knew
(Even though I somehow knew at least a little bit 400 of the 700 in
the class.) I think I ended up telephoning** someone, maybe the
school itself or whoever was listed as chairman, to find out when the
reunion was. I probably should have gone. I went to my 20th and
enjoyed it. One old friend recognized me when I still had my back
facing into the room, I think. But of the 400 people I once knew, I
think I talked to fewer than 10. (7 or 10 who showed up of the 20 who
were in about 3 classes with me every semester.)
**I like the telephone. It's something I undestand.
Juergen Kah
May 3, 2016, 5:02:49 AM5/3/16
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ClamRake schrieb:
There is nothing with Support as you want it to be.
When you "expect" support, perhaps you will pay for a professional? ;-)
As Micky wrote, Listmoms mailinglist has nothing do with this newsgroup,
that's it, nothing. If some user will find this newsgroup and how to
handle (not equal to mailinglist), they can ask or... write some new
informations. Before asking always same question, users should try to
download/read for several days at least. That can be little different to
the Win-Eudora-mailinglist, where Kathrina answered day by day (or more
often) to same questions...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_newsgroup
https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/wiki/
http://www.giganews.com/newsgroup.html
I have sent an email to Vince... but no answer up to now, so seems they
have lot of trouble with their server(s).
> but these are all support groups. So with
> the emphasis on support, I would expect there would always be some
> interaction.
The groups here are called NEWSGROUPS or in complete USENET.
> the emphasis on support, I would expect there would always be some
> interaction.
There is nothing with Support as you want it to be.
When you "expect" support, perhaps you will pay for a professional? ;-)
As Micky wrote, Listmoms mailinglist has nothing do with this newsgroup,
that's it, nothing. If some user will find this newsgroup and how to
handle (not equal to mailinglist), they can ask or... write some new
informations. Before asking always same question, users should try to
download/read for several days at least. That can be little different to
the Win-Eudora-mailinglist, where Kathrina answered day by day (or more
often) to same questions...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_newsgroup
https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/wiki/
http://www.giganews.com/newsgroup.html
I have sent an email to Vince... but no answer up to now, so seems they
have lot of trouble with their server(s).
Juergen Kah
May 3, 2016, 5:11:05 AM5/3/16
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ClamRake schrieb:
"claiming" anyone shall help you for free?
How about you (!) could offer a website / blog / mailinglist with
similar help FOR FREE like you got from listmoms or here in the newsgroup?
Someone has to pay for the (any) server, for the traffic, for problems
solving etc... would you? ;-)
just my2ct
> But as to Facebook > A pretty bad choice for a tech oriented support
> group. For us No way !!! FB's blocked at our firewalls & servers &
> hosts files, & in browsers etc.. And always will be.
So when you are blocking FB it's hard to understand that you are
> group. For us No way !!! FB's blocked at our firewalls & servers &
> hosts files, & in browsers etc.. And always will be.
"claiming" anyone shall help you for free?
How about you (!) could offer a website / blog / mailinglist with
similar help FOR FREE like you got from listmoms or here in the newsgroup?
Someone has to pay for the (any) server, for the traffic, for problems
solving etc... would you? ;-)
just my2ct
Ajo Wissink
May 3, 2016, 10:24:03 AM5/3/16
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would have been more correct to say "he", because what we have here is
a "one man show".
It is true that the list runs on Vince's hardware, but Vince has a
paying job elsewhere. Vince does all the work on Gazelle, but he has
to do that in his spare time, if he can find any. I can understand
that his paid job has priority.
Ajo Wissink
Ajo Wissink
May 3, 2016, 11:11:06 AM5/3/16
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>I joined the Eudroa-Win List-mom, http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-win/,
>at the suggestion from my thread above on the SSL issues that suddenly
>happened with my Eudora Emails,
>
>at the suggestion from my thread above on the SSL issues that suddenly
>happened with my Eudora Emails,
>
>It seemed to be a fairly lively list-serve. But it seems to have gone
>"dark" all of a sudden? Since joining it I had been seeing a large
>number of posts on different Eudora subjects. And then yesterday
>afternoon there was only 1 post. Since then, NO posts have come thru?
>
>With the absence of activity again all day today, I am wondering what
>"dark" all of a sudden? Since joining it I had been seeing a large
>number of posts on different Eudora subjects. And then yesterday
>afternoon there was only 1 post. Since then, NO posts have come thru?
>
>may have happened?
>
>Does anyone here participate in that list-serve?
>
>Kind of a bummer since my issue has not yet been resolved. I finally
>am getting somewhere gathering the log data they had suggested that I
>post for the group to review.
>
>So I posted a message that I could probably post the relevant logs
>over the weekend, Normally I would see that post going out to the
>group thru the list serve within minutes. But so far nothing has
>showed up.
>
>ClamRake
OK, we may be in for a long wait before the list will be back. Here
>So I posted a message that I could probably post the relevant logs
>over the weekend, Normally I would see that post going out to the
>group thru the list serve within minutes. But so far nothing has
>showed up.
>
>ClamRake
is the entire message that Vince posted on Sunday afternoon:
The Clio Listmom Cartel
1 May at 16:32 ·
Update on Hades: It's in bad shape. As I mentioned earlier, the system
disks that compose the RAID-1 were very corrupt. Unfortunately, so is
the backup disk. I was able to get the system disks to the point of
readability, to some degree -- but /etc is unreadable (actually, just
trying to stat the directory throws an error and causes a kernel
panic), and the user directories and the top-level Gazelle directory
are now identically-sized ASCII text files containing crond audit
that both disks of the RAID-1 *and* the single backup drive were all
severely corrupted suggests that the problem may be in the RAID
controller.
THE SILVER LINING: Gazelle's archives were on a *second* RAID -- which
appears to be intact. Thus, the information that cannot be replaced
has not been lost. The server-level configuration is gone, unless I
can get the backup disk to some point of readability. Reconstructing
the server-level configuration will not be quick or easy.
The other silver-ish lining: The disks appear to be fine at the
hardware level -- so it doesn't appear, at this point, that I will
need to replace the disks. Low-level formats should get them back in
play. I just have difficulty bringing myself to do that.... =:-o
Anyway...
I have ordered a new RAID controller, which will be here on Tuesday.
Basically, everything needs to be rebuilt from scratch (except for the
individual list configurations and archives), including Gazelle's
server-level config, Postfix, BIND, etc.
My estimate for having the lists back up is this Friday evening. I am
already booked for this weekend, so if it's not back up by Friday
evening, we're looking at sometime next week -- hopefully early next
week.
I'm sorry that we're dead in the water for an extended period of time.
If it's any consolation, I spent most of the weekend at the OPCON --
which, for those of you who don't speak SysAdmin, is the server's
Operator's Console (i.e., keyboard and monitor). The consolation for
me was that it rained all weekend, so it's not like I was sitting
inside when I could have been doing something productive outside.
I'll post updates here as the situation evolves. --VS
ClamRake
May 3, 2016, 12:02:08 PM5/3/16
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Curious responses. What you-all seem to be seeing as criticism,
might also be viewed as surprise or astonishment.
From what a couple of you have posted, there seems to be a real
disparity between the general way most of this kind of tech
interchange, & security, & malware handling & support entities work
and what you-all expect. Much of it works at a different & higher
level than you seem to be thinking.
Over the years, I have been involved in a fairly large number of such
"entities". That involvement has ranged from outsider participant,
minor contributor, major contributor, being part of the creating group
& being one of the maintainers. Most all float or sink through team
efforts. Which includes, at times, solving problems with the group's
implementation, as well as making suggestions.
I am not looking for free support by itself. I have a wide range of
fairly deep technology experience. And have contributed that
expertise to groups over the years. And I still do so regularly.
And that includes contributing to this Gazelle group even though I was
a recent joiner to it. And that did that even though I was there
needing some quick help to solve a critical problem.
ClamRake
ClamRake
May 3, 2016, 12:16:04 PM5/3/16
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Ajo Wissink wrote:
{snipped some}
of a base support team.
Hats off to Vince for dong all that. Is this because the group has
leveled off over time and is continuing to shrink? I would have
thought he/they would have had others also involved.
I recognized early (almost immediately) that the group seemed to be
dominated by one person. But I had expected (& hoped) to find over
time that it was a more even level group.
fwis, list serves are a rather old approach for support groups to
take. The forum setup is more often used there days. Though
newsgroups are still used by some top support/interaction systems,
like GRC.com's news groups (non-usenet, btw).
regards,
ClamRake
{snipped some}
>
>Clamrake, you are talking about what "they" should have done, but it
>would have been more correct to say "he", because what we have here is
>a "one man show".
>
>It is true that the list runs on Vince's hardware, but Vince has a
>paying job elsewhere. Vince does all the work on Gazelle, but he has
>to do that in his spare time, if he can find any. I can understand
>that his paid job has priority.
>
>Ajo Wissink
That is a surprise. I would have thought Eudora-win would have more
>Clamrake, you are talking about what "they" should have done, but it
>would have been more correct to say "he", because what we have here is
>a "one man show".
>
>It is true that the list runs on Vince's hardware, but Vince has a
>paying job elsewhere. Vince does all the work on Gazelle, but he has
>to do that in his spare time, if he can find any. I can understand
>that his paid job has priority.
>
>Ajo Wissink
of a base support team.
Hats off to Vince for dong all that. Is this because the group has
leveled off over time and is continuing to shrink? I would have
thought he/they would have had others also involved.
I recognized early (almost immediately) that the group seemed to be
dominated by one person. But I had expected (& hoped) to find over
time that it was a more even level group.
fwis, list serves are a rather old approach for support groups to
take. The forum setup is more often used there days. Though
newsgroups are still used by some top support/interaction systems,
like GRC.com's news groups (non-usenet, btw).
regards,
ClamRake
ClamRake
May 3, 2016, 12:36:41 PM5/3/16
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Ajo Wissink wrote:
(snipped a fair amount)
Thanks for posting that. He does seem to have had a huge issue. Hope
he is able to recover his data like he says he might.
One of the issues with Raid is that there is no single standard for
raid cards. So that can complicate the issue no end. And some raid
mfgrs even change their system when new cards are introduced. And
thus make older cards & their implmentations hard if not impossible to
recover.
Has Vince ever been open to others helping with the Gazelle stuff?
It was apparent to me early on with Gazelle that I would need to
maintain a copy of everything in order to have a history to look thru.
vv no point in asking a question that has already been answered.
It did puzzle me that there was no easily searched history available.
So I have found & downloaded the history that was offered by other
contributors. Thus I have the email files for things going back thru
about 2012. My guess is that others have even more extensive
historical stuff than I have gotten..
Maybe that's unusual for this type of group. But it seems reasonable
to hang on to? ( for this newsgroup my historical files go back to
June 2003) And yes that's more difficult to do for forum style
groups.
regards,
ClamRake
(snipped a fair amount)
>OK, we may be in for a long wait before the list will be back. Here
>is the entire message that Vince posted on Sunday afternoon:
>
>The Clio Listmom Cartel
>1 May at 16:32 ·
>Update on Hades: It's in bad shape. As I mentioned earlier, the system
>disks that compose the RAID-1 were very corrupt.
(snipped most)
>is the entire message that Vince posted on Sunday afternoon:
>
>The Clio Listmom Cartel
>1 May at 16:32 ·
>Update on Hades: It's in bad shape. As I mentioned earlier, the system
>disks that compose the RAID-1 were very corrupt.
>I'll post updates here as the situation evolves. --VS
Ajo,
Thanks for posting that. He does seem to have had a huge issue. Hope
he is able to recover his data like he says he might.
One of the issues with Raid is that there is no single standard for
raid cards. So that can complicate the issue no end. And some raid
mfgrs even change their system when new cards are introduced. And
thus make older cards & their implmentations hard if not impossible to
recover.
Has Vince ever been open to others helping with the Gazelle stuff?
It was apparent to me early on with Gazelle that I would need to
maintain a copy of everything in order to have a history to look thru.
vv no point in asking a question that has already been answered.
It did puzzle me that there was no easily searched history available.
So I have found & downloaded the history that was offered by other
contributors. Thus I have the email files for things going back thru
about 2012. My guess is that others have even more extensive
historical stuff than I have gotten..
Maybe that's unusual for this type of group. But it seems reasonable
to hang on to? ( for this newsgroup my historical files go back to
June 2003) And yes that's more difficult to do for forum style
groups.
regards,
ClamRake
Micky
May 3, 2016, 4:09:21 PM5/3/16
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On Mon, 02 May 2016 23:08:54 -0400, Micky
<NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>And you may not have been there long enough to notice, but
>she'll answer the same question over and over, even after pointing out
>that the answer was already posted in the same thread iirc.
I have no personal knowledge, but this might weaken now that the list
<NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>And you may not have been there long enough to notice, but
>she'll answer the same question over and over, even after pointing out
>that the answer was already posted in the same thread iirc.
has searchable archives. They don't use a gui, but they're workable.
I just save every email I get from the Listmoms list (and almost every
other email I get also. They come in handy some times.)
Micky
May 3, 2016, 4:22:56 PM5/3/16
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>I'm just amazed that one person has so much patience and so much
>unpaid-for time, especially since she seems to have a paid job for 40
>or more hours a week. Most people on Usenet answer questions
>occasionally when they know the answer or even frequently, but she
>answers far more most days than anyone else I've seen,
One more thing that I haven't thought about lately. Katrina doesn't
>unpaid-for time, especially since she seems to have a paid job for 40
>or more hours a week. Most people on Usenet answer questions
>occasionally when they know the answer or even frequently, but she
>answers far more most days than anyone else I've seen,
even give information that could help her career. Even though I'm
pretty sure she has a good job, almost everyone could have a better
job. But I have no idea where she lives.
That's true for most of people who post and who answer questions, who
also don't seem to be looking for clients or jobs. But she posts so
much that she gives the impression of not only being technically very
competent but a very hard worker.
Most of the others who answer questions seem a bit more like they're
doing it for pleasure or to relax. No offense meant!
Some others do list their webpage, which might say where they live,
and some give more than that, but I always have the feeling that doing
that descends from the practice of putting a return address on
letters, and a lack of fear that this will cause harm, rather than
looking for better work.
And some others have an email address that indicate what country
they're in, either because of the extension or the domain (For
example, does Verizon or Comcast function outside of the USA? or the
USA and Canada?)
Juergen Kah
May 3, 2016, 5:03:58 PM5/3/16
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ClamRake schrieb:
Seems to me you are not interested in reading emails from the
mailinglist other than "an exact answer" to _your_ problems (without
describing your installation), only step-by-step accepted, no clear
answers for possible problems (i.e. blocked ports etc), some confusion
about ports and SSL etc. You mostly wanted to sniff the traffic and
wanted the list-readers or Katrina should check your Eudora-log.
See Katrina's words
"It sounds like you don't understand the various settings" ;-) And she
meant the "simple" GUI-settings offered by Eudora, not deep inside .ini
and...
"All you need to do is follow the instructions I sent to you earlier and
then look at the log file."
and...
"Most list servers have archives. That includes this one,..."
and...
"I've asked this before and I'm going to ask it again. What settings are
you using and what do you know about your provider's requirements?"
If a user would read only a few days emails from the mailinglist
(read...) he/she will get a feeling of questions are asked more often,
perhaps hints for the _own_ question(s). And the mailinglist is not the
complete internet (Google?) and no "paid" support to be forced to answer
immediately ;-)
re. archive
Your first email was dated just before April 17, right?
On _April_19_ a lot of mails and answers started with "archive" in
subject. There are several descriptions on how to search in the archive.
Vince has created the search option via email to the archive, but go
back to the emails from the mailinglist and, please, read by yourselves.
And even in "your" SSL-discussion Katrina wrote about the archive.
as you mention "maintain a copy...", cause there are different meanings
of "maintain": please _accept_ what Katrina told about the copyright
things of the mailinglist. Where is the problem to search the archive
via email?
Juergen
> It was apparent to me early on with Gazelle that I would need to
> maintain a copy of everything in order to have a history to look thru.
> vv no point in asking a question that has already been answered.
Sorry, as I have read even your emails via (free) mailinglist.
> maintain a copy of everything in order to have a history to look thru.
> vv no point in asking a question that has already been answered.
Seems to me you are not interested in reading emails from the
mailinglist other than "an exact answer" to _your_ problems (without
describing your installation), only step-by-step accepted, no clear
answers for possible problems (i.e. blocked ports etc), some confusion
about ports and SSL etc. You mostly wanted to sniff the traffic and
wanted the list-readers or Katrina should check your Eudora-log.
See Katrina's words
"It sounds like you don't understand the various settings" ;-) And she
meant the "simple" GUI-settings offered by Eudora, not deep inside .ini
and...
"All you need to do is follow the instructions I sent to you earlier and
then look at the log file."
and...
"Most list servers have archives. That includes this one,..."
and...
"I've asked this before and I'm going to ask it again. What settings are
you using and what do you know about your provider's requirements?"
If a user would read only a few days emails from the mailinglist
(read...) he/she will get a feeling of questions are asked more often,
perhaps hints for the _own_ question(s). And the mailinglist is not the
complete internet (Google?) and no "paid" support to be forced to answer
immediately ;-)
re. archive
Your first email was dated just before April 17, right?
On _April_19_ a lot of mails and answers started with "archive" in
subject. There are several descriptions on how to search in the archive.
Vince has created the search option via email to the archive, but go
back to the emails from the mailinglist and, please, read by yourselves.
And even in "your" SSL-discussion Katrina wrote about the archive.
as you mention "maintain a copy...", cause there are different meanings
of "maintain": please _accept_ what Katrina told about the copyright
things of the mailinglist. Where is the problem to search the archive
via email?
Juergen
Sid Elbow
May 3, 2016, 7:56:38 PM5/3/16
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On 5/2/2016 9:57 PM, ClamRake wrote:
> So I'm both puzzled and wonder what if any advantage there is to a
> single location hosted list serve as opposed to a usenet newsgroup?
Presumably so that they get to limit and moderate the membership.
> So I'm both puzzled and wonder what if any advantage there is to a
> single location hosted list serve as opposed to a usenet newsgroup?
ClamRake
May 3, 2016, 8:47:41 PM5/3/16
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Juergen Kah
In an effort to avoid what looks to be turning into a fight:
Let me once again say that my comments about their list-serve are not
aimed at being critical. One key part of running any support group
is its evolution & maintenance. And the recruiting of both new
members and new people with technical expertise.
My surprise at the lack of depth on the hardware side is just that
surprise. Not criticism. And there are a lot of us out here who
have the expertise to give deep technical help.
Perhaps my standards are different than yours. You seem willing to
freely criticize me, albeit incorrectly. And you have ignored that
even as a new list participant, I answered a number of questions
regarding other people's help me posts.
If I were looking to find fault anywhere, I would criticize the
Eudora creators for not providing a way to even see the certificate
status other than after an SSL connection has been accomplished.
So let's drop this here & now.
We can just agree not to communicate with each other. (not counting
your almost necessitated reply to this post, of course).
ClamRake
In an effort to avoid what looks to be turning into a fight:
Let me once again say that my comments about their list-serve are not
aimed at being critical. One key part of running any support group
is its evolution & maintenance. And the recruiting of both new
members and new people with technical expertise.
My surprise at the lack of depth on the hardware side is just that
surprise. Not criticism. And there are a lot of us out here who
have the expertise to give deep technical help.
Perhaps my standards are different than yours. You seem willing to
freely criticize me, albeit incorrectly. And you have ignored that
even as a new list participant, I answered a number of questions
regarding other people's help me posts.
If I were looking to find fault anywhere, I would criticize the
Eudora creators for not providing a way to even see the certificate
status other than after an SSL connection has been accomplished.
So let's drop this here & now.
We can just agree not to communicate with each other. (not counting
your almost necessitated reply to this post, of course).
ClamRake
ClamRake
May 3, 2016, 8:49:53 PM5/3/16
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Micky
May 3, 2016, 9:50:02 PM5/3/16
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On Tue, 03 May 2016 22:44:55 +0100, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>In article <le1iibpemmrp400mj...@4ax.com>, Micky
>They don't exist here, at any rate.
Verizon has been okay for me, except with my home phone where they are
constantly trying to get me to give up on copper and go to optical
fiber. For a lot more money, I'm sure.
Although since the topic has come up, 3 times I've been in a long
converstaion with a friend on a cell phone with a headset, and for
substantial periods, I couldn't hear her. I'm on a hard-wired phone.
She'd had trouble with headsets before so we thought that's what it
was. But I was on the phone with a bank yesterday, and again I
couldn't hear him for 3 or 4 minutes.
I tried wiggling the plug into the handset, banging on the handset
with my hand, and it had no effect. I didn't touch the base of the
phone (A Uniden, also with cordless phones available but not in use.)
Then all of a sudden it started working again and did so for the rest
of the phone call, 10 minutes, and today it worked fine for 90
minutes.
Verizon provides the phone and the DSL for the computer. Nothing for
TV. Any idea what the problem could be? ;-)
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>In article <le1iibpemmrp400mj...@4ax.com>, Micky
><NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>And some others have an email address that indicate what country
>>they're in, either because of the extension or the domain (For
>>example, does Verizon or Comcast function outside of the USA? or the
>>USA and Canada?)
>
>Hopefully not, I've never heard anything good about either of them.
>
>>And some others have an email address that indicate what country
>>they're in, either because of the extension or the domain (For
>>example, does Verizon or Comcast function outside of the USA? or the
>>USA and Canada?)
>
>They don't exist here, at any rate.
Verizon has been okay for me, except with my home phone where they are
constantly trying to get me to give up on copper and go to optical
fiber. For a lot more money, I'm sure.
Although since the topic has come up, 3 times I've been in a long
converstaion with a friend on a cell phone with a headset, and for
substantial periods, I couldn't hear her. I'm on a hard-wired phone.
She'd had trouble with headsets before so we thought that's what it
was. But I was on the phone with a bank yesterday, and again I
couldn't hear him for 3 or 4 minutes.
I tried wiggling the plug into the handset, banging on the handset
with my hand, and it had no effect. I didn't touch the base of the
phone (A Uniden, also with cordless phones available but not in use.)
Then all of a sudden it started working again and did so for the rest
of the phone call, 10 minutes, and today it worked fine for 90
minutes.
Verizon provides the phone and the DSL for the computer. Nothing for
TV. Any idea what the problem could be? ;-)
Micky
May 3, 2016, 11:20:12 PM5/3/16
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On Tue, 03 May 2016 12:11:06 -0300, Ajo Wissink
<a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>I have ordered a new RAID controller, which will be here on Tuesday.
I have a feeling Vince is paying for the new controller too.
<a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>I have ordered a new RAID controller, which will be here on Tuesday.
This would not be horrible. He can probably afford it and I've spent
money on "club" activities, which sort of resembled this. But it's
still another contribution by him.
>Basically, everything needs to be rebuilt from scratch (except for the
>individual list configurations and archives), including Gazelle's
>server-level config, Postfix, BIND, etc.
Juergen Kah
May 4, 2016, 8:47:06 AM5/4/16
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ClamRake schrieb:
thinking "you are right, no other one" and you don't need to read and
follow hints):
There is NO NO NO support-group. It's only an open group of Eudora
users, happy to use Eudora even now many years AFTER THE SUPPORT of
Qualcomm ended. Why don't you accept, that Eudora-mailing-list is NO
support-group, and this newsgroup is NO support-group, too?
But you want to get professional "support", so order it.
If you don't know about mailing-lists and newsgroupsm, please, look for
wikipedia, thanks.
If you have paid for Eudora (think so), then there _WAS_ support from
Qualcomm, that's it, but looong years ago.
Who is recruiting new members? Even these your words show you don't
understand the mailing-list, free for anyone, no ads, no blinking,
nothing. You should be grateful that you got hints how to change your
settings in Eudora (but you didn't follow), not in .ini-file. What have
you done? Sorry, nothing but telling the people that you want to sniff
the traffic... instead of changing the simplest settings via Eudora GUI.
Have you read meanwhile about the archive? See, you could have said,
thanks for the hint...
Juergen
> Let me once again say that my comments about their list-serve are not
> aimed at being critical. One key part of running any support group
> is its evolution & maintenance. And the recruiting of both new
> members and new people with technical expertise.
Sorry once more, no, I am not on a fight (that's only your way of
> aimed at being critical. One key part of running any support group
> is its evolution & maintenance. And the recruiting of both new
> members and new people with technical expertise.
thinking "you are right, no other one" and you don't need to read and
follow hints):
There is NO NO NO support-group. It's only an open group of Eudora
users, happy to use Eudora even now many years AFTER THE SUPPORT of
Qualcomm ended. Why don't you accept, that Eudora-mailing-list is NO
support-group, and this newsgroup is NO support-group, too?
But you want to get professional "support", so order it.
If you don't know about mailing-lists and newsgroupsm, please, look for
wikipedia, thanks.
If you have paid for Eudora (think so), then there _WAS_ support from
Qualcomm, that's it, but looong years ago.
Who is recruiting new members? Even these your words show you don't
understand the mailing-list, free for anyone, no ads, no blinking,
nothing. You should be grateful that you got hints how to change your
settings in Eudora (but you didn't follow), not in .ini-file. What have
you done? Sorry, nothing but telling the people that you want to sniff
the traffic... instead of changing the simplest settings via Eudora GUI.
Have you read meanwhile about the archive? See, you could have said,
thanks for the hint...
Juergen
Ajo Wissink
May 9, 2016, 12:20:33 PM5/9/16
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> Snip
Update from 4 hours ago on Facebook:
Update on Hades: Hades was restored to bootable status on Thursday. It
was recommissioned back into the server rack on Friday, but with a new
OS (i.e., we jumped two major revisions) and requires significant
configuration before the lists can be brought back on line. I spent
the weekend in NYC and I am leaving this afternoon for Kirtland AFB --
so the machine really picked a bad time to take a dive. I hope to have
it back on line by the end of the week.
Again, my apologies for the extended delay.Update on Hades: Hades was
restored to bootable status on Thursday. It was recommissioned back
into the server rack on Friday, but with a new OS (i.e., we jumped two
major revisions) and requires significant configuration before the
lists can be brought back on line. I spent the weekend in NYC and I am
leaving this afternoon for Kirtland AFB -- so the machine really
picked a bad time to take a dive. I hope to have it back on line by
the end of the week.
Again, my apologies for the extended delay.
Update from 4 hours ago on Facebook:
Update on Hades: Hades was restored to bootable status on Thursday. It
was recommissioned back into the server rack on Friday, but with a new
OS (i.e., we jumped two major revisions) and requires significant
configuration before the lists can be brought back on line. I spent
the weekend in NYC and I am leaving this afternoon for Kirtland AFB --
so the machine really picked a bad time to take a dive. I hope to have
it back on line by the end of the week.
Again, my apologies for the extended delay.Update on Hades: Hades was
restored to bootable status on Thursday. It was recommissioned back
into the server rack on Friday, but with a new OS (i.e., we jumped two
major revisions) and requires significant configuration before the
lists can be brought back on line. I spent the weekend in NYC and I am
leaving this afternoon for Kirtland AFB -- so the machine really
picked a bad time to take a dive. I hope to have it back on line by
the end of the week.
Again, my apologies for the extended delay.
Micky
May 9, 2016, 1:14:08 PM5/9/16
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ClamRake
May 9, 2016, 1:17:34 PM5/9/16
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Ajo,
Thanks for this update. I appreciate it.
ClamRake
Thanks for this update. I appreciate it.
ClamRake
Ajo Wissink
May 9, 2016, 1:46:12 PM5/9/16
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On Mon, 09 May 2016 13:13:55 -0400, Micky
<NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 09 May 2016 13:20:24 -0300, Ajo Wissink
><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:44:56 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Snip
>>
>>Update from 4 hours ago on Facebook:
>>
>>Update on Hades: Hades was restored to bootable status on Thursday. It
>>was recommissioned back into the server rack on Friday, but with a new
>>OS (i.e., we jumped two major revisions) and requires significant
>>configuration before the lists can be brought back on line. I spent
>>the weekend in NYC and I am leaving this afternoon for Kirtland AFB --
>>so the machine really picked a bad time to take a dive. I hope to have
>>it back on line by the end of the week.
>>Again, my apologies for the extended delay.
snipped result of lingering finger on "v"
<NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 09 May 2016 13:20:24 -0300, Ajo Wissink
><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:44:56 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Snip
>>
>>Update from 4 hours ago on Facebook:
>>
>>Update on Hades: Hades was restored to bootable status on Thursday. It
>>was recommissioned back into the server rack on Friday, but with a new
>>OS (i.e., we jumped two major revisions) and requires significant
>>configuration before the lists can be brought back on line. I spent
>>the weekend in NYC and I am leaving this afternoon for Kirtland AFB --
>>so the machine really picked a bad time to take a dive. I hope to have
>>it back on line by the end of the week.
>>Again, my apologies for the extended delay.
>So, is he going to Kirtland AFB?
Micky
May 9, 2016, 4:10:58 PM5/9/16
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On Mon, 09 May 2016 14:46:04 -0300, Ajo Wissink
There was a story about A who did B until C came and told him it was
time for D, and this is the story: A did B until C came and told him
it was time for D.
<a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 09 May 2016 13:13:55 -0400, Micky
><NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 09 May 2016 13:20:24 -0300, Ajo Wissink
>><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:44:56 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Snip
>>>
>>>Update from 4 hours ago on Facebook:
>>>
>>>Update on Hades: Hades was restored to bootable status on Thursday. It
>>>was recommissioned back into the server rack on Friday, but with a new
>>>OS (i.e., we jumped two major revisions) and requires significant
>>>configuration before the lists can be brought back on line. I spent
>>>the weekend in NYC and I am leaving this afternoon for Kirtland AFB --
>>>so the machine really picked a bad time to take a dive. I hope to have
>>>it back on line by the end of the week.
>>>Again, my apologies for the extended delay.
>
>snipped result of lingering finger on "v"
I was just teasing. It reminded me of a book I read that included:
>On Mon, 09 May 2016 13:13:55 -0400, Micky
><NONONObobb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 09 May 2016 13:20:24 -0300, Ajo Wissink
>><a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:44:56 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Snip
>>>
>>>Update from 4 hours ago on Facebook:
>>>
>>>Update on Hades: Hades was restored to bootable status on Thursday. It
>>>was recommissioned back into the server rack on Friday, but with a new
>>>OS (i.e., we jumped two major revisions) and requires significant
>>>configuration before the lists can be brought back on line. I spent
>>>the weekend in NYC and I am leaving this afternoon for Kirtland AFB --
>>>so the machine really picked a bad time to take a dive. I hope to have
>>>it back on line by the end of the week.
>>>Again, my apologies for the extended delay.
>
>snipped result of lingering finger on "v"
There was a story about A who did B until C came and told him it was
time for D, and this is the story: A did B until C came and told him
it was time for D.
Micky
May 9, 2016, 11:52:13 PM5/9/16
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On Mon, 09 May 2016 13:17:01 -0400, ClamRake <Clam...@noemail.com>
wrote:
>Ajo,
>
>Thanks for this update. I appreciate it.
>
>ClamRake
You know, I think somehow I ended up giving the impression that people
here would be no help. They've been an enormous help for me, for
which I've expressed my great gratitude in the past. Over the past 20
or so years. I've only read the other list for 18 months or so
And a major reason I read it as much as I do is the format. Because
it's a mailing list and Eudora will sort by subject but won't thread
in a tree-formation, if I stop reading and try to come in in the
middle, I'm in trouble. With a newsgroup, one reason it's a much
better format is that everything is neatly arranged. I can skip a
thread and maybe read it later, if it becomes important to me or if
I'm bored. I skip things sometimes with the mailing list but I end
up skipping everything for days or weeks and never knowing what the
threads were about.
So especially since iiuc you're past one of the big problems, esp.
since the mailing list is still quiet, here might be the place to ask.
wrote:
>Ajo,
>
>Thanks for this update. I appreciate it.
>
>ClamRake
here would be no help. They've been an enormous help for me, for
which I've expressed my great gratitude in the past. Over the past 20
or so years. I've only read the other list for 18 months or so
And a major reason I read it as much as I do is the format. Because
it's a mailing list and Eudora will sort by subject but won't thread
in a tree-formation, if I stop reading and try to come in in the
middle, I'm in trouble. With a newsgroup, one reason it's a much
better format is that everything is neatly arranged. I can skip a
thread and maybe read it later, if it becomes important to me or if
I'm bored. I skip things sometimes with the mailing list but I end
up skipping everything for days or weeks and never knowing what the
threads were about.
So especially since iiuc you're past one of the big problems, esp.
since the mailing list is still quiet, here might be the place to ask.
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