Keeping or Changing Eudora

[te...@earthlink.net]

I have loved Eudora dearly for about 20 years now, but each time I have to get a new computer, I freak out that I won't be able to use Eudora, which is my favorite software. So I have two questions:

-- How well does Eudora work on Windows 10? I'm currently using Windows 7, but I'm worried I'll lose a lot of functionality if I have to switch to Win 10.

-- Is there any other currently supported email program to which I can export my Eudora mailboxes where I won't lose my emails?

I'm not a techie, so please don't respond with complicated technical jargon that I won't understand. :-)

Thanks,
Tely

[patj...@gmail.com]

I upgraded to Windows 10 and through various iterations of it and have not had a problem on my main computer. I did on my laptop but that was because of a hard disk failure and a complete reinstall. If you are really just upgrading rather than changing machines you should not have a problem.

Thanks.

Bob

[Will Seehorn]

Tely,

Eudora works fine under Windows 10 as long as you don't try to install data files in areas Windows protects (the default locations in Eudora work fine).

Instructions:
Run the installer. (If you no longer have the installer, you can download it here <https://www.dropbox.com/s/uv62znkcfswh6qm/Eudora_7.1.0.9.exe?dl=0>.)
Using an administrative account when installing is generally a good idea. When it asks where to put the data files, do not put them in a location that Windows protects. Choosing the default locations that Eudora normally uses is fine. Choosing a location that you create yourself, outside of the Program Files directories is fine too. Close Eudora when it starts and wants to go through the setup wizard.

Copy everything from the old computer's data directory to the location you chose for the data directory on the new computer.

If you're using plugins that didn't come with Eudora, either install them again or copy their files from the plugins subdirectory of the old program directory. Most plugins can be copied but it is possible you're using one that wants to be properly installed.

If you're using an attachment directory outside of the data directory, create the desired location on the new computer and copy your existing attachment files to it. If the new location isn't exactly the same as the old one, be sure to change the setting in Eudora appropriately.

Replace the original version of qcssl.dll with a patched version. If you don't already have the patched version, you can get it here <https://www.dropbox.com/s/vbufua62y169ih3/QCSSL.dll?dl=0>

[te...@earthlink.net]

Thanx, Bob. I'm actually thinking about this in terms of when I get a new laptop that would have Win 10 on it. Do you think it would be problematic there?

[te...@earthlink.net]

Thanx so much, Will. When I replace the original version of qcssl.dll with a patched version, do I do that after the installation and before I run Eudora for the first time or after I run Eudora?

[Will Seehorn]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 12:31:47 AM UTC-5, te...@earthlink.net wrote:

Replace the original before you try to connect to your ISP.. It corrects a change with the way Windows negotiates SSL connections. The original will take a long time (perhaps even timing out) the first time (per session) you try to connect with it.

[te...@earthlink.net]

Thanx so much, Will! I'm so glad this group exists and so grateful to people like you who know what you're doing and are willing to answer questions for us Eudora fanatics who aren't techies.

[Will Seehorn]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 12:31:47 AM UTC-5, te...@earthlink.net wrote:

Tely,

You're very welcome, but almost everything I posted was learned on a Eudora specific mailing list. It's far more active than this group and has several very knowledgeable people on it (I'm not one of them, I'm just good at recognizing other people's good ideas and stealing them!)

To join the group send an email to join-eu...@hades.listmoms.net. Make sure the subject line includes the word "Gazelle" (no quotes and the only word needed.)

You'll get a welcome message which you should keep as it has useful information. The group doesn't top or bottom post. Instead you are supposed to delete stuff your not replying to and intersperse your answers next to the comment you are responding to.

Enjoy

Will

[John B. Smith]

I think this is my first post on this group. I've lurked for years. I
have Eudora 7.0.0.16 paid, running mostly on XP, though I also
installed it on Win7. Mainly I use XP. I've long noticed that I don't
get 'all' of the message on a lot of ads and other stuff.

One this morning from Swanson Vitamins has a box with a red X and
SwansonVitamins.com (theres a bunch of these boxes). If I click Send
To Browser the whole ad comes up with pictures. I surmise that modern
advertisers don't want to send the whole thing to me but expect my
email client to go out and get them itself. Is there a way to make
Eudora do that? If I go to the ISP's (Spectrum) email site it
automatically goes out and gets the contents of Swanson's 'box'. Too
bad I don't want to use Spectrum, I want to use my out dated Eudora.

I have also experimented with other email clients. Can't remember if I
tried Pandora or not. None I tried will import my system of Eudora
mailboxes. In Eudora I'm able to group them into a handy system. I
have one group for personal acquaintances, 3 subgroups for businesses
I've done anything with (A thru I, etc). I find these mailboxes
extremely handy for a number of things, not just storing email. I
don't want to give it up.

You may have noticed I used no tech jargon in this message. That's
cause I'm too dumb to understand the stuff you guys spout. Can you
simplify it for me?

[Thibaud Taudin Chabot]

Op 5-4-2018 om 16:59 schreef John B. Smith:

Pandora can import Eudora mailboxes and Eudora address book.
Pandora has a good response on reported problems.

[John B. Smith]

Installed Pandora. It can import the top layer of my Eudora mailboxes,
my personal contacts. It can't see the second layer where resides my 3
folders of business mailboxes A-I, J-P and Q-Z. Must be I'm the only
one to ever use this system to keep track of Eudora mailboxes.
Uninstalled Pandora.

[Steve Urbach]

I also use a multi layer system. a few are 3 folders deep before the mailbox.

I see the Layers in the X64 version

What I have issues with are Personalities (7 Accounts) That failed. Or is
that the 'Trial Limit,' kicking in?

[Thibaud Taudin Chabot]

Op 7-4-2018 om 18:13 schreef John B. Smith:

I mentioned 2 items. You looked/used only the first one.
Why not the other one?

[John B. Smith]

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 13:00:48 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 12:13:22 -0400, John B. Smith <cra...@verizon.net>

>declaimed the following:

>
>>
>>Installed Pandora. It can import the top layer of my Eudora mailboxes,
>>my personal contacts. It can't see the second layer where resides my 3
>>folders of business mailboxes A-I, J-P and Q-Z. Must be I'm the only
>>one to ever use this system to keep track of Eudora mailboxes.
>>Uninstalled Pandora.
>

> Rather than use Help/Send Feedback to describe your import problem to
>the authors of the program. If they don't know of your situation, it won't
>get worked in the future. For all I know, one layer of mailboxes might be a
>limitation of the "demo" version of the program.
>
> So how many layers do you have?

I have approx 100 names of people (these Pandora or Thunderbird can
see to import). At top of this list is New. Clicking New and choosing
Folder I can start another list. I have 3 such folders, A-I, J-P and
Q-Z. I've had some version of Eudora since Windows 3.1. Can't remember
when I invented this system. I very seldom weed out my old forgotten
mailboxes, it takes long for Eudora to initialize. I hate settling for
some new email client that isn't as good. Just like I hate letting go
of WinXP just because Microsoft insists on selling new OSs. I've got
(haven't we all)software that won't run on Win7. I did manage to
install Eudora on Win7 and copy my data folder over which contains my
mailbox system and Win7 digested it and works. As well as it still
does in XP anyway. The fact this newsgroup exists tells me lots of
people feel like I do about Eudora.

>
> Mine (edited for brevity) looks like:
>
>Eudora
> In
> Out
> ...
> ACM
> ARRL
> ...
> Genealogy
> ...
> Mailing Lists
> ...
> Genealogy
> ...
> Processed Mails
> ACM
> ...
> Saved
> Sent
>
>(I normally let inbound mail settle at the top level where it is
>noticeable, and after reading I filter to either Mailing Lists or Processed
>Mails).
>
> I just tried the import "witch" selecting the Saved and Sent files of
>Processed Mails.
>
> The result in Pandora is (ignoring the structure I'd set up by hand
>originally)
>
>Mail
> ---
> Local Mailboxes
> Processed Mails
> Saved
> Sent
> ...
>
>(I could then drag those out of the "Local Mailboxes" if I didn't want them
>nested that deeply, creating a match to my Eudora scheme -- except I
>already set that up by hand <G>).
>
> Heck, just for you... I just created in Eudora
>
> ...
> Processed Mails
> ...
> testing
> subtesting
> testdata
>
>and copied a message from "Saved" to "testdata".
>
> Then ran the "Importing Witch" selecting all my Eudora mailboxes...
>
> Guess what...
>
> It imported all of them, including the message in testdata nested four
>layers deep, and even flagged the read/unread status of recently received
>mail correctly.

[John B. Smith]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 22:57:30 +0200, Thibaud Taudin Chabot

I just tried for the mailboxes, since I couldn't do that I wasn't
interested in importing Eudora's address book.

[te...@earthlink.net]

John, I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying you were able to get Pandora to successfully important your Eudora mailboxes?

Tely

[Thibaud Taudin Chabot]

Op 8-4-2018 om 1:13 schreef John B. Smith:

I mentioned±

Pandora has a good response on reported problems.

But if you don´t report you´ll never get a solution for your problem.
Reporting difficulties like you encounter and reporting them improves
the usefulness of that program. I think you are looking for that. So if
you don´t report it you´ll probably will never get it.
Brana (developer of Pandora) is in general very keen to this kind of
reports.

[John B. Smith]

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 19:24:45 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 19:07:45 -0400, John B. Smith <cra...@verizon.net>
>declaimed the following:

>
>>On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 13:00:48 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber
>><wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So how many layers do you have?
>>
>>I have approx 100 names of people (these Pandora or Thunderbird can
>>see to import). At top of this list is New. Clicking New and choosing
>>Folder I can start another list. I have 3 such folders, A-I, J-P and
>>Q-Z. I've had some version of Eudora since Windows 3.1. Can't remember
>

> Which didn't answer the question...
>
> I asked how many LAYERS (ie; what does the hierarchy look like) -- not
>how many "boxes" are in one level.

We may be talking apples and oranges. How do you implement your
'layers'?
>
> Nothing I have has a "New" displayed at the top of a "list". The
>closest is on the MENU "Mailbox" where it appears below the four system
>mailboxes (in/out/junk/trash) and above all the user-created mailboxes (of
>which I have six, and two directories containing 3 and 9 boxes
>respectively).

Clicking Mailbox gets me In, Out, Junk, Trash then a line, under which
starts New, then about 100 names of my email acquainances. After the
names there's Internet A-I, Internet Internet J-P. Internet Q-Z (three
folders I created by first clicking New.
No comprendez 'hierarchy, personalities' please explain in small
words?
>
> My test showed that Pandora had no difficulty importing a system with a
>hierarchy going four layers deep.

>
>>of WinXP just because Microsoft insists on selling new OSs. I've got
>>(haven't we all)software that won't run on Win7. I did manage to
>

> I've also got software that won't run on WinXP -- because WinXP is too
>old! (Drivers for my Kenwood TS-590sg).

I can't recall software that wouldn't run on XP, I sure there was
some. It's the software I've purchased and installed on XP since 2006?
that i resent being taken away from me just because Microsoft wanted
to sell a new OS.

[John B. Smith]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 12:00:15 +0200, Thibaud Taudin Chabot

If so I bet he watches this newsgroup like a hawk.

[Thibaud Taudin Chabot]

Op 8-4-2018 om 18:47 schreef John B. Smith:

I think you don't know how a software developer works.
They are not searching for malfunctions and problems.
They only handle reported malfunctions and problems. They come from
serious users
And if Brana follows a message list I'll be certain she will follow the
list maintained by Katrina which is much more dedicated to Eudora

[John B. Smith]

On Sun, 08 Apr 2018 18:30:27 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:45:14 -0400, John B. Smith <cra...@verizon.net>
>declaimed the following:
>

>>> I asked how many LAYERS (ie; what does the hierarchy look like) -- not
>>>how many "boxes" are in one level.
>>
>>We may be talking apples and oranges. How do you implement your
>>'layers'?
>

> Using the "mailbox" view on the left side of my Eudora layout (this is
>the same area that has tabs for personalities, signatures, stationery).
>
> The top of the hierarchy is labeled "Eudora", below it are the first
>level mailboxes (in/out/junk/trash, and those I've created at that level).
>Also at the first level are two "folders" (indicated with a [+]) "mailing
>lists" and "processed mails". Clicking on the [+] changes it to [-] and
>opens the next layer down in the hierarchy showing the mailboxes at that
>level.

My Eudora is 7.0.0.16 Paid Mode 83. In the top hierarchy I don't have
'Eudora' and no way to add any mailboxes to this level. Under 'Trash'
I have a greyed-out line. Under that line, my next hierarchy is a
bunch of mailboxes, not folders. At the end of those I've added 3
folders (by using New and choosing Folder). There is no plus sign on
these folders. When you hover the mouse on a folder it opens and
displays the mailboxes that I've added to the folder. Per your naming
policy I'd say the contents (mailboxes) in these folders is third
hierarchy? But I don't see the folders in what Pandora imports either.
I think we may have two different versions of Eudora, and maybe that's
why Pandora doesn't find all my mailboxes. I can't remember if I
received any further offers to update Eudora further after I purchased
it, which looks to be Dec 2005. BTW I found that in my Eudora mailbox.
I've been keeping email that long.
>
> In my test, done just as a proof of concept, I had three entire levels
>nested into "processed mails". As I'd illustrated in an earlier email.
>
>
> Pandora imported all of them.
>
> It imports them into a "local mailboxes" "folder" (hence putting them
>all one level deeper in the hierarchy in Pandora).

>
>
>>I can't recall software that wouldn't run on XP, I sure there was
>>some. It's the software I've purchased and installed on XP since 2006?
>>that i resent being taken away from me just because Microsoft wanted
>>to sell a new OS.
>

> Anything that made use of a 16-bit (WfW3.11) library will not run on
>any 64-bit OS.
>
> Any application that stored user data in "program files" was already a
>problem in WinXP, though the OS made it easy to bypass the security.
>
> Those (16-bit) are the only applications to which I've lost access
>going to Win7 64 and Win10 64 (and the older HELP file system used by
>Eudora, which is not available on Win10 due to security flaws -- it can be
>installed on Win7).

One of my favorite peeves is Photoshop5 not working in Win7 (64 bit).
I can't make out if it is 16 bit. I noticed I've got it running in
Win95 compatability mode in XP. That is one hellish expensive program
to buy a new version of!