Eudora Keeps Advising it Cannot Make Itself My Default Email

[Robert]

List:

I'm using Eudora 7.1.0.9, with Win 7 32-bit...

Have had literally NO real problems since migrating to Win 7, but a
few weeks ago Eudora started providing a dialog box at startup asking
if I wanted it to be my default email..when choosing "Yes" it would
immediately advise it couldn't succeed...even though I'd already made
it my default....this kept up until I finally chose "Do not do this
anymore"...now, I still get a dialog box at startup stating it
couldn't make itself my default...

Hey; how do I get this to stop? It's not a big deal, but it is a bit
annoying...can anyone help?

Robert

[Rich Greenberg]

In article <2f25129c-4fbe-49e5...@m13g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,

This is just a WAG as I have no Win7 experience, but things like this
are often a permissions problem. Are you (as the user running Eudora)
an administrator? If not, try running it from the Administrator ID.
(Or try making yourself an administrator.)

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[Ajo Wissink]

Turn off Tools > Options > Extra warnings > Start Eudora and it's not
the default mailer

[Robert]

On Apr 20, 4:13 pm, Ajo Wissink <a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:06:11 -0700 (PDT), Robert
>

Rich: I'm already the "Owner", that should already make me
Administrator....I think..

Ajo:

Why should this thing have started up all by itself after using Eudora
in this new PC for ~2 months already...but I'll give it a try; I may
then turn it back on again to see what happens (?)

At any rate, many thanks for these ideas; I do appreciate it!

Robert

[Robert]

Hey!

I just checked into "Extra Warnings", and "Start Eudora and it's not
the Default Mailer" box is unchecked already! So this warning should
never have been triggered!

Robert

[Ajo Wissink]

What do you see in Controp Panel > Programs > Default Programs > Set
Default Programs?

[Robert]

On Apr 21, 3:19 am, Ajo Wissink <a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:22:07 -0700 (PDT), Robert
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Ajo:

Eudora is already my default;I've repeated that several times in
Control Panel-Set Default Programs...!

Robert

[Robert]

On Apr 21, 6:51 am, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:16:54 -0700 (PDT), Robert <york...@sbcglobal.net>
> declaimed the following in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows:

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> > Rich:  I'm already the "Owner", that should already make me
> > Administrator....I think..
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>         Under a normal installation, that isn't guaranteed... And definitely
> not recommended. One should have a secured account that is only used for
> software installation and system maintenance, and another account that
> does not have privileges for day-to-day operations.
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>         Under Win7 even an admin account gets asked for privilege boosting
> when doing stuff that might affect the registry. Difference is that it
> only needs a keyboard OK, whereas a user account will be asked for the
> admin account login.

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> > Why should this thing have started up all by itself after using Eudora
> > in this new PC for ~2 months already...but I'll give it a try; I may
> > then turn it back on again to see what happens (?)
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>         Do you use {full} Outlook for anything? (Or whatever M$ supplies as
> a replacement for Outlook Express?). Those programs automatically take
> control of email defaults -- without asking the user. Just like opening
> Internet Explorer tends to make it take browser default away from
> Firefox.
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>         Also, I've found that many times any M$ patch release that touches
> Office (Outlook) will reset the default to it.
> --
>         Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
>         wlfr...@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

Wulfraed:

I did install Microsoft Office 2003 about 2 weeks ago, which contains
Outlook, but I've never opened it; I started to do so just now and it
started to "install" itself; I then closed it down without installing
it...also, it doesn't show up in Control Panel's default programs
listing at all...(?)

Maybe if I allowed it to install itself, then went back and made
Eudora my default again, it might be effective?

Robert

[Robert]

Hey, I was wrong; Outlook does show up, but it shows "0 out of 2"
defaults....Eudora shows it has "all it's defaults"...

Robert

[Ajo Wissink]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:08:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert
<yor...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Hey, I was wrong; Outlook does show up, but it shows "0 out of 2"
>defaults....Eudora shows it has "all it's defaults"...

One way to see if Eudora is really registerd as the default mailer is
to right-click on something, for example a little jpeg, and select
Send to > Mail recipient. Does Eudora open with the file attached?

[Robert]

On Apr 21, 2:01 pm, Ajo Wissink <a...@notrealaddress.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:08:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert
>

> <york...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >Hey, I was wrong; Outlook does show up, but it shows "0 out of 2"
> >defaults....Eudora shows it has "all it's defaults"...
>

> One way to see if Eudora is really registered as the default mailer is

> to right-click on something, for example a little jpeg, and select
> Send to > Mail recipient.  Does Eudora open with the file attached?

Ajo:

Yes; it does send straight to Eudora as an attachment...but it allows
me to "send", vice "send to mail recipient"...the statement "send to
mail recipient" does appear when I try to attach a Word doc,
though....

So it looks like Eudora really is the default; how the hell can I stop
the incessant "Can't make Eudora the default" dialog box on Eudora's
startup?

Robert

[Han]

Robert <yor...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:ade21e42-9f88-4825-9fa4-
1bd4ba...@2g2000yqp.googlegroups.com:

Tell us again where the operative Eudora.ini file is located.

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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

[Robert]

On Apr 21, 4:54 pm, Han <nob...@nospam.not> wrote:
> Robert <york...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:ade21e42-9f88-4825-9fa4-
> 1bd4ba2f9...@2g2000yqp.googlegroups.com:

Han:

Just checked, discovered Eudora.ini resides in TWO places:

C:\Eudora Data Files (Where I put it)

C:\Users\Owner\Appdata\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora (Where I DIDN'T put it;
Win 7 must've shoved it in there!)

Does this help at all?

Robert

[Ajo Wissink]

That's OK, provided you told that location to the install wizard. By
the way, how did you install the program? Using the wizard or by
copying the files?

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>C:\Users\Owner\Appdata\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora (Where I DIDN'T put it;

That's the default location, which is the safer and protected way.

>Win 7 must've shoved it in there!)
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>Does this help at all?
>
>Robert

What is the complete path to the data folder you see at the bottom of
the window that opens when you select Help > About Eudora?
Also which of the 2 ini files is the most recent?

[Robert]

Ajo:

The data folder is "C:\Eudora Data Files in that Help "About Eudora"
dialog box...

I dismissed the setup Wizard when I installed Eudora, and put this
data path into the Help Data path; I'd already established that data
path onto C-drive..

The most recent Eudora.ini has to be the one at "C:\Users\Owner\Appdata
\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora"...since I'd copied Eudora Data Files onto
the C-drive prior to installing Eudora...

Robert

[Daniel Jacobson]

In article <9a9edc3f-48bd-4943...@c4g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, yor...@sbcglobal.net says...

>> What is the complete path to the data folder you see at the bottom of
>> the window that opens when you select Help > About Eudora?
>> Also which of the 2 ini files is the most recent?

> Ajo:
>
> The data folder is "C:\Eudora Data Files in that Help "About Eudora"
> dialog box...
>
> I dismissed the setup Wizard when I installed Eudora, and put this
> data path into the Help Data path; I'd already established that data
> path onto C-drive..
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> The most recent Eudora.ini has to be the one at "C:\Users\Owner\Appdata
> \Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora"...since I'd copied Eudora Data Files onto
> the C-drive prior to installing Eudora...

Try:
Can you verify that the Eudora.ini file(s) are not marked as read only?
--
Over and Out
Daniel Jacobson

[Robert]

On Apr 23, 10:14 pm, danie...@iadfw.net (Daniel Jacobson) wrote:
> In article <9a9edc3f-48bd-4943-896a-b0b9dee5a...@c4g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, york...@sbcglobal.net says...

Daniel:

Just checked; neither of these files are "read only"...

Thanks for trying to help!

Robert

[John H Meyers]

On 4/20/2012 2:06 PM, Robert wrote:

> I'm using Eudora 7.1.0.9, with Win 7 32-bit...
>
> Have had literally NO real problems since migrating to Win 7, but a
> few weeks ago Eudora started providing a dialog box at startup asking
> if I wanted it to be my default email..when choosing "Yes" it would
> immediately advise it couldn't succeed...even though I'd already made
> it my default....this kept up until I finally chose "Do not do this
> anymore"...now, I still get a dialog box at startup stating it
> couldn't make itself my default...

How did you "choose Do not do this any more"?

How had you "already made it my default"?

The field of medicine has been revolutionized
by penetrating high-definition X-rays (CAT scans, etc.)
which pinpoint problems and permit precise surgery,
whereas this forum remains at about the same level
of precision imaging as holding a candle behind a broken leg
and reporting seeing some faint glow somewhere ;)

I'm wondering whether you might have two separate Eudora installations,
or perhaps are confusing "default email program"
with "MAPI" (the latter is used if you attempt to send a document
from within a Microsoft Office application such as Word or Excel).

How to get rid of "unable to update system registry" message:
<http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showthread.php?t=19332>

MAPI on Windows 7:
<http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=46674>
("Automation" is different, and works fine on Win7)

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[Robert]

John:

Thanks for trying to help; I'd already set Eudora to my default in
"Set Your Default Programs" and had gone into "Set program access and
computer defaults", and selected "Custom", so Eudora was already the
default...but I repeated to make sure...it didn't work; the dialog box
still showed up...

I haven't tried to use "MAPI" for anything, that I know of, but
looking at "I was able to eliminate this error message and utilize
mapi with google mail using Windows 7 Pro and Eudora 7.1.0.9 in
Sponsored Mode, by setting ownership of `mapi.dll` and `mapi32.dll` to
current user, and add current user to permissions list and set
permissions to `Full`, from your "<http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/
showpost.php?p=46674> " , and thought I'd try this but how do I do
this?

You've asked " How did you "choose Do not do this any more"?"...I did
this by checking the dialog box statement that says something like "do
not ask anymore"...

Robert

[Robert]

How do I actually "set ownership of `mapi.dll` and `mapi32.dll` to

current user, and add current user to permissions list and set

permissions to `Full`" ? Doing this apparently worked for someone,
per "<http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/
> showpost.php?p=46674>"...

Thanks!

Robert

[John H Meyers]

On 4/24/2012 7:12 PM, Robert wrote:

> I'd already set Eudora to my default in
> "Set Your Default Programs" and had gone into "Set program access and
> computer defaults", and selected "Custom", so Eudora was already the
> default...but I repeated to make sure...it didn't work; the dialog box
> still showed up...

Shutting up the Eudora dialog box is not the criterion for the above
_Windows_ settings "working" for you, because Eudora has no knowledge
of the (new) registry keys for _your_ default programs,
and is instead trying to set the old (and protected) registry key
for a _computer wide_ default email program;
that's why even Eudora's (obsolete) testing should be turned off,
inasmuch as it is testing the wrong thing,
and then also trying to set the wrong thing.

Your other settings (above) "work" if, when you click "mailto" links
in web pages, for example, Eudora turns out to be the program
which is called upon for composing the message for you,
while _you_, in particular, are logged into Windows.

> I haven't tried to use "MAPI" for anything

If you are trying to send mail from within any MS Office program,
rather than initiate all mail directly by starting the composition
directly as a new message in Eudora, then you are "using MAPI"
indirectly, via MS Office, whether or not you are aware of it.

By default (and reportedly every time there's an MS Office update,
even a security update), Windows' MAPI service is set
to use MS Outlook to handle all MAPI requests.

The (horrible) design of MAPI is such
that one has to actually replace Windows' program components
to change that to use any other email program, and this, in turn,
sets off "Security alarms" within Windows when you try to do that,
as well as being pretty well made almost impossible in Windows 7,
until you forcibly "bash open the locked door" via steps such as:

> How do I use [post about having MAPI use Eudora under Win7]
> <http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=46674>

That very brief post is as direct and straightforward as it can be;
please look up any unfamiliar Windows terminology and how to perform
those actions using built-in Windows Help or any other resource,
or perhaps someone else will volunteer Windows help in this thread.

On other hand, if you never noticed MS Outlook being used instead of Eudora
for sending anything, then you probably don't need to bother.

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[Robert]

Hey, y'all; I think I solved my li'l problem!

A recent post by Katrina Knight on the Eudora-Win List provided the
information (that I'd seen elsewhere as well) : "If you have Eudora
set to make itself the default mail program, Windows is going to
refuse to let it do so unless you've fooled with its default security
settings. You can either turn off that option to get rid of the error
message it causes or run Eudora as administrator once to allow the
change to be made. To do that, right-click on the shortcut for Eudora
and choose "run as administrator". That will usually take care of the
problem"

So I gave it a try; when I ran it as Administrator, a system dialog
box popped up while the overall display went to a fade screen a bit;
the box asked the question of whether I wanted the application to make
changes to the computer...clicking YES apparently allowed Eudora to go
ahead and make itself the default...Evidently my already making it the
default myself had no effect on Eudora continually and automatically
trying by itself...

The dialog box advising it could not make itself the default is now
apparently gone...many thanks to those who tried to help me out with
this; I appreciate your attempts!

Robert

[John H Meyers]

On 4/27/2012 1:39 PM, Robert wrote:

> A recent post by Katrina Knight on the Eudora-Win List provided the
> information (that I'd seen elsewhere as well) : "If you have Eudora
> set to make itself the default mail program, Windows is going to
> refuse to let it do so unless you've fooled with its default security
> settings. You can either turn off that option to get rid of the error
> message it causes or run Eudora as administrator once to allow the
> change to be made. To do that, right-click on the shortcut for Eudora
> and choose "run as administrator". That will usually take care of the
> problem"

If the user has also been attempting to use the "program files" area
for storing mail, and is checking mail automatically upon Eudora launch,
then running Eudora even once "as administrator" will cause some new
incoming mail to be read once and then lost. Other "Murphy's Law" mishaps
are also possible from running "as administrator" any time one does it.

So, in my opinion, on Vista/W7/W8 etc., turning Eudora's automatic test OFF
should always be done, running "as administrator" should never be done,
and only Windows' "my default programs" should be used
to set Eudora as your personal default email program.

That is the only overall strategy which is safe for all users to follow,
and that's why I always suggest only actions that are universally
both effective and safe for everyone.

One bad swing only lowers Katrina's batting average to .999, however,
so most everything else she says is good to follow :)

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[Robert]

John:

You're correct; I WAS asked that question, and I neglected to give
running as Administrator a try at that time, and then sort of forgot
about it....

Your statement

"So, in my opinion, on Vista/W7/W8 etc., turning Eudora's automatic
test OFF
> should always be done, running "as administrator" should never be done,
> and only Windows' "my default programs" should be used
> to set Eudora as your personal default email program."

simply didn't seem to be effective in my case; repeated attempts to
set Eudora as default, had no effect on Eudora's insistence on trying
on startup anyway....even " turning Eudora's automatic test OFF"
didn't stop it from trying anyway! A bit weird, huh?

Anyway, I hope things stay okay with this annoyance...meaning gone for
good.

Robert

[John H Meyers]

On 4/27/2012 11:51 PM, Robert wrote:

> Your statement
> "So, in my opinion, on Vista/W7/W8 etc., turning Eudora's automatic
> test OFF
>> should always be done, running "as administrator" should never be done,
>> and only Windows' "my default programs" should be used
>> to set Eudora as your personal default email program."
>
> simply didn't seem to be effective in my case; repeated attempts to
> set Eudora as default, had no effect on Eudora's insistence on trying
> on startup anyway....even " turning Eudora's automatic test OFF"
> didn't stop it from trying anyway! A bit weird, huh?

Something at your end is not what you report it to be,
but there's no way for us to find out at a distance.

Eudora will not try to set itself as default program
if it is not asked to even check.

Other options (e.g. MAPI) can be set instead,
and will then produce different errors.

A "registry monitor" might be used to find out
what is really going on in the Registry.

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[lynn...@gmail.com]

Thank you very much! It worked!

[John H Meyers]

On 7/31/2012 5:02 PM:

> If you have Eudora set to make itself the default mail program,
> Windows is going to refuse to let it do so
> unless you've fooled with its default security settings.
> You can either turn off that option to get rid of the error message

> or run Eudora as administrator once to allow the change to be made.
> To do that, right-click on the shortcut for Eudora and choose

> "run as administrator". That will usually take care of the problem.

Not the best advice, due to:

(a) Wrong registry key will be set, even if it "works" for you alone.
(b) Disables security for the session.
(c) May automatically download one load of new mail
into a different area than old mail,
particularly when Eudora was (inadvisedly) installed
with user data in "program files" areas.

The best (and safest) solution is:

Insert the lines below into an outgoing Eudora message,
perform Alt+click on (and then click OK for) each line:
<X-Eudora-Option:DefaultMailto=0>
<X-Eudora-Option:WarnDefaultMailto=0>

Another safe method, accomplishing the same thing:

Menu: Tools > Options
Category: Extra Warnings
Setting: Start Eudora and it's not the default mailer

First turn the above warning ON and restart Eudora.
If you are asked whether you want Eudora to be the default mailer.
check-mark "Don't ask me anymore," then click the NO button!

After using either of the above methods,
you will never be asked again.

Eudora remains the default mailer if you have set it to be,
using Windows, which involves a new Registry key unknown to Eudora,
and Eudora meanwhile stops testing or complaining about
the wrong old Registry key, which has been the actual problem all along.

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[mainec...@gmail.com]

Thank you John H Meyers - your second solution that worked perfectly.