Re: Dead End with Eudora Pro

[Frederick]

On 02:26 18 Apr 2023, said:

> Last week I checked my email on Cox.net using Eudora Pro v. 7x. All
> was good with the world,
>
> Then, before retiring for the evening I checked again circa 22:45.
> Eudora gave me error messages about checking email using plain text
> and not using SSL.
>
> When I went to the certificate manager in Eudora Pro I noticed there
> was no last SSL info available. The certificate manager SSL info was
> blank and contained no information.
>
> I'm wondering, could this be the end of my Eudora Pro?
>
> I called tech support and they acted like I didn't know WTF I was
> talking about. They also said Cox had made no changes to their email
> servers.
>
> Yeah Right!
>
> Has anyone else using Cox and Eudora Pro had this problem? And if
> so, did you solve it and how?
>
> TIA.
>

Did you find out what was causing this?

[Talland Keen]

About a month after your post and I have having problems with Eudora 7 with my IP provider.
I run both Thunderbird and Eudora and Thunderbird is still working.
Eudora has SSL negotiation problems.

So sad to loose Eudora since T-bird works but is so slow and awkward.

dk

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

There are solutions to the SSL issues. I don't know all the details, but others have described it here several times. I have used Eudora on my PCs since Windows 95, and continue to use it on each new machine simply by copying the Eudora folder over.

I am a bit tired of the growing display problems, because of relying on Internet Explorer or some other very old software to format the emails in the Eudora window. I receive a number of important emails (banking for example) that simply don't display in Eudora, and have to be opened in a browser. Fortunately Eudora has a button for that.

There's also Hermes, which I have not looked into personally. I tried using Thunderbird for a while (for usenet before email) only to have it crap out on me with no clear path to recovery. I switched to Seamonkey since it would accept the data files. But it crapped out a year later. I could test those with usenet without worrying about losing emails. Switching to Hermes would put all my email data in those hands. So, for now, I'm sticking with Eudora and its quirks.

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[DaveH2]

You won't be putting your email data in anyone's hands with Hermes. Hermes is just a rebuilt version of Eudora, which will hopefully work with modern protocols and display messages correctly. It's now been renamed Aurora, and it's only at alpha stage at the moment, but it's looking promising.
It is from the same people who were behind the original Hermes project, which was (and is) simply an updated set of files to enable Eudora to communicate with servers using TLS 1.2, which is becoming mandatory for most email providers. It's been discussed here many times.

[geo]

Comcast started to require TLS v 1.2 on April 18, the same date Cox started too. https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/tls

The fix is here: https://www.maclean.com/downloads/QCSSL_Update.zip which is Pete Maclean's Hermes SSL fix, updated with instructions. Pete is the Hermes coder, the only one, which is why it is slow going.

[Talland Keen]

I used Pete's patch and it did not work immediately. Then messed around with settings because elsewhere someone said, "Do remember to put it on "Required, alternate port", because "Required startTLS" will not work !!!!! "

And sure enuf, now it works! My Eudora is ALIVE AGAIN!

Thx all ya all.
dk

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

Hermes is not an ISP. So your statements are pointless about that.

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[DaveH2]

@Talland Keen
Glad to hear it's all working again!
@Rick C
I know Hermes isn't an ISP.
Sorry, I probably misunderstood what you were saying about it.
When you said "Switching to Hermes would put all my email data in those hands" I thought you meant that you thought that Hermes would somehow have your data.

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

By that, I meant I would be vulnerable to a crash losing my email. In all the years I've used Eudora the number of emails I've lost, I can count on one hand.

But then I had Hermes mixed up with the other email tool, Aurora, which is new code. Your post seems to be saying Hermes is just Eudora with updated TLS code, which I have added. It was pretty easy to add to Eudora, but I've seen some posts here where people have failed.

I only have another year or so of professional work, where I would care a great deal about preserving my emails. Then I won't care so much. After all, most people don't even know what email is anymore. I'll get a new phone number to help with the spam calls... maybe, not sure that they don't call made up numbers. They definitely send spam to made up email addresses. Years ago, I received all email sent to the domain, regardless of the address. It reached a point where I would get maybe five emails a day, 20 or 30 spam emails to those addresses and 100+ emails to made up email addresses. I had to cut off the catch all, and now I create a unique email address for every vendor I exchange email with. That's over

That shows the spammers were not only being spammers, they were ripping off their clients, saying they had sent 100,000 emails, when the vast majority would never been received, much less seen by a human.

[pyotr filipivich]

"gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> on Tue, 16
May 2023 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT) typed in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows the
following:

> That shows the spammers were not only being spammers, they were
> ripping off their clients, saying they had sent 100,000 emails, when
> the vast majority would never been received, much less seen by a human.

That's the "joy" of email
advertising: economies of scale. Compared to the cost of mailing a
flyer to every address in the US, email is effectively free. So you
only get a 1% response rate, you're not out the printing and postage
for the other 99%.
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[DaveH2]

On Tuesday, 16 May 2023 at 21:49:18 UTC+1, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> By that, I meant I would be vulnerable to a crash losing my email. In all the years I've used Eudora the number of emails I've lost, I can count on one hand.
> But then I had Hermes mixed up with the other email tool, Aurora, which is new code. Your post seems to be saying Hermes is just Eudora with updated TLS code, which I have added. It was pretty easy to add to Eudora, but I've seen some posts here where people have failed.
>

Aurora isn't completely new code. The source code of Eudora was put into the public domain by Qualcomm, and it has now (after a lot of issues which caused a big delay) finally been decompiled and recompiled, with changes made to improve its compatibility with modern messages, especially with regards to UTF-8 support, which was never in Eudora.
Aurora looks and feels exactly like Eudora, because it fundamentally IS Eudora, just updated, as presumably Qualcomm would have done had they not decided to abandon it. It's on Alpha 20 now, and it really is looking very promising as a modern version of Eudora, which will be a boon to many of us I'm sure!

[geo]

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I agree with David - Hermes Aurora [that's the full name] is getting close to being a release-quality bug-fix and UTF-8 update to the 2006 Eudora code. It *is* Eudora, not a look-alike clone. Alpha 20 fixed UTF-8 junk characters in replies, a major issue. There's more to do, but Pete Maclean, the only guy doing the code-pounding, is making terrific progress. While there are some modest cosmetic issues to be resolved, I'd expect a beta release to be out soon -- in a few months at most - just a guess, based on how well Alpha release 20 runs. Quality-wise, I'd call it a beta-release now.

The one remaining huge issue is OAuth2 support for email providers like Microsoft and GMail that require it for incoming mail. There's no timeline for that yet, but it is on the Aurora list. There are a couple of proxy programs out there that are work-arounds for this -- O2popper and simonrob's email-oauth2-proxy. O2popper is simpler to set up.

[Pamela]

Can logging be disabled? The release note says one log entry is written
for each communication attempt which must create a very large log file.

I haven't needed QCSSL yet but want to be prepared.

[geo]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:13:22 PM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
> Can logging be disabled? The release note says one log entry is written
> for each communication attempt which must create a very large log file.
>
> I haven't needed QCSSL yet but want to be prepared.

Logs are small - 10 kb. They only have recent connections - a day or 2.

[inpu...@gmail.com]

no I just installed Eudora on Windows 11