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rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 16, 2009, 7:54:23 PM7/16/09
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I now realize that I SCREWED UP. I have Eudora 5.1 on my XP machine
and simply copied C:\Program Files\Eudora from that machine to my new
Vista machine. That was two months ago or so and Eudora has been
working. Now, I want to correctly install the latest version of Eudora
to my Vista machine but don't know where my data files are. I do know
that the inbox is NOT in C:\Program Files\Eudora. Can you guys help me
straighten this out? Thanks.........

John H Meyers

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Jul 16, 2009, 8:18:27 PM7/16/09
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:54:23 -0500:

If you are on Vista (or later) and the "Data" path
is also the "Application" (program files) path,
then Eudora was incorrectly installed,
and Windows will re-direct all your newer files
to another place ("VirtualStore" folders):

"Peeking into Vista's virtual store"
http://www.itwriting.com/blog/141-peeking-into-vistas-virtual-store.html

"A Closer Look at Windows Vista, Part I: Security Changes"
(see "Virtualization Example" section)
http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/5538

For correct installation of Eudora:

"Installing Eudora on Windows 2000/XP" (and later)
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2128hq.html

http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=40803

http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showthread.php?t=13830

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rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 16, 2009, 8:55:57 PM7/16/09
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I copied my Inbox from the Vista machine to C:\Program Files\Eudora on
the XP machine (where the Inbox came from in the first place) - but my
last two months' of emails are not there (I overwrote In.mbx and
In.toc). I'm totally confused. All I want to do is install 7.1 on my
Vista machine the way I should have in the first place - and have all
my data files up to date.

John H Meyers

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Jul 16, 2009, 9:33:21 PM7/16/09
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:55:57 -0500:

> I copied my Inbox from the Vista machine...

If you copied from the application (programs) folder,
then it was not the right file(s).

> to C:\Program Files\Eudora

> on the XP machine (where the Inbox came from in the first place),
> but my last two months' of emails are not there...

The previous reply (and links) explain
how to find the updated Inbox, etc.,
in your Vista "VirtualStore" folders,
corresponding to the original "program files" locations
which were re-directed to those folders.

One needs to study the referenced info a bit,
then you will probably be able to find your updated mail.

You could also try searching your entire user profile (or entire hard disk)
for files "In.mbx" (making sure to search for "hidden" files as well),
then open the "containing folder" and be sure to copy both
"In.mbx" (the mail) and "In.toc" (the index and status info)
together -- otherwise you may lose the additional info,
or end up with an index which doesn't match your mail file.

> All I want to do is install 7.1 on my Vista machine

> the way I should have in the first place.

Isn't that also explained in detail, by following the links that were posted?

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Stan Bischof

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Jul 17, 2009, 9:29:36 AM7/17/09
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To completely eliminate this issue in the future choose yourself
a "home" directory whwre you want to store all of your data. In this
case all your email, but the same applies to all your programs.

For instance set up C:\home\login as your "home" directory
( or \\server\login if you use a network share ).

Then for your email C:\home\login\email ( \\server\login\email )

And of course start Eudora using this path. That way ALL your Eudora
data is in a known specified folder. Note that this becomes completely
portable also between machines and OS's. ANd it allows multiple users
on the same machine to access their own email.

For convenience I create a shortcut to start Eudora of the form:

"C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe" \\server\login\email

So one you find your data move it to where you want it and
avoid this entire issue in the future.

regards

Stan


rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 17, 2009, 11:52:23 AM7/17/09
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On 17 Jul 2009 13:29:36 GMT, Stan Bischof
<st...@newserve.worldbadminton.com> wrote:

Thank you - I have always done this in the past - but Eudora is the
only program that has confused me as to where the data should be. So,
I always let it go to the Program File\Eudora folder.

rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 17, 2009, 11:59:13 AM7/17/09
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:33:21 -0500, "John H Meyers"
<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:55:57 -0500:
>
>> I copied my Inbox from the Vista machine...
>
>If you copied from the application (programs) folder,
>then it was not the right file(s).

I THINK I understand - but, if I gp into C:\Program Files|Eudora on my
Vista machine and double click on the In.mbx file, Eudora opens with
the correct emails, i.e. all of them. I have performed a search for
any other In.mbx files and can find none. I should say that I am using
Copernic for my search engine and perhaps it doesn't look in all
locations. How should I look at hidden locations? Maybe I should get
rid of Copernic (even though it is very fast) and use Vista's search
engine.


>
>> to C:\Program Files\Eudora
>> on the XP machine (where the Inbox came from in the first place),
>> but my last two months' of emails are not there...
>
>The previous reply (and links) explain
>how to find the updated Inbox, etc.,
>in your Vista "VirtualStore" folders,
>corresponding to the original "program files" locations
>which were re-directed to those folders.

I followed those instructions but could not find a VirtualStore folder.


>
>One needs to study the referenced info a bit,
>then you will probably be able to find your updated mail.
>
>You could also try searching your entire user profile (or entire hard disk)
>for files "In.mbx" (making sure to search for "hidden" files as well),

please see above.....

>then open the "containing folder" and be sure to copy both
>"In.mbx" (the mail) and "In.toc" (the index and status info)
>together -- otherwise you may lose the additional info,
>or end up with an index which doesn't match your mail file.
>
>> All I want to do is install 7.1 on my Vista machine
>> the way I should have in the first place.
>
>Isn't that also explained in detail, by following the links that were posted?

Yes, but I don't want to make a mistake by copying the wrong mailboxes
and other data files. This is my wife's Eudora and she would kill me
if I screwed it up!!!

rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 17, 2009, 12:26:54 PM7/17/09
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I was able to unhide files and folders - but still can't find where my
active Eudora data files are. Isn't there someway in Eudora 5.1 that
shows the path to the data files? Perhaps I could call you on the
telephone? Please?

John H Meyers

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Jul 17, 2009, 1:11:18 PM7/17/09
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:29:36 -0500, Stan Bischof wrote:

> To completely eliminate this issue in the future choose yourself
> a "home" directory whwre you want to store all of your data. In this
> case all your email, but the same applies to all your programs.

The installer's standard defaults, like those of most other Windows
applications, are already ideal -- it recommends installing programs
into a common, most protected area, and keeping user data within
each user's private profile, which is entirely separate from programs.

"Installing Eudora on Windows 2000/XP" (and later)
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2128hq.html

For those who know exactly what they are doing,
they can put programs anywhere and data anywhere,
but for those who wish to avoid technical details
and just guarantee both success and security,
accepting the original defaults
(or re-installing and selecting them now,
with "user app data" for data)
is a recipe which has worked, time and again.

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John H Meyers

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Jul 17, 2009, 1:15:20 PM7/17/09
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Can one find local technicians in most areas,
who know what they are doing,
and can get their hands on the computer?

Remote access is also possible,
but we don't try it from here
(our firewall also discourages it :)

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rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 17, 2009, 1:30:51 PM7/17/09
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I considered myself pretty good with XP Pro. But I guess I'm not very
good with understanding Vista. If I could judt find my actual Eudora
data files, I could correct the installation by myself. I don't know
anyone in my area that knows Eudora.

rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 17, 2009, 1:54:02 PM7/17/09
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Well, I set Explorer to show all files (including hidden files) and set
Copernic to reindex. Hopefully, that will tell me where my REAL Eudora
data exists on my Vista machine. Thanks for all your help.

John H Meyers

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Jul 17, 2009, 3:44:57 PM7/17/09
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Has anyone looked at the previously posted links?

[Quoting from http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/5538 ]

Virtualization Example

For example, take a legacy software application
that attempts to write to a configuration INI file located in:

C:\Program Files\<application>\Setup.ini

Windows Vista automatically detects
that you do not have permission to save to that location.
Windows Vista then copies the file (if it already exists) to:

C:\Users\<your_account>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\<application>\Setup.ini

Windows Vista then allows the write operation to succeed
at the new file in the VirtualStore folder.

Subsequent read and write operations for that file
will always use the file copy located in the VirtualStore folder.

However, the application will continue to believe
that it is accessing the Program Files directory (see Figure 4).

[End of quote]

Can you apply that to "C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora"?
Or to "C:\Program Files\Eudora"
or wherever where you actually put your Eudora programs and mail?
("Help" | "About Eudora" normally tells you exactly where)

Here also is a fine program for file searching under Windows:
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/search_my_files.html

HTH

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Han

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Jul 17, 2009, 4:29:48 PM7/17/09
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rmo...@cox.net wrote in news:06d165p2qhmiv8g3c...@4ax.com:

You could use a live Linux distro such as UBUNTU then search your hadr
drive. I think Vista is a nuisance as far as searching for files is
concerned. A live distro would be a file that is distributed as an ISO
image to be burned as such to a DVD. Booting off the DVD will give you
the option to run Ubuntu off the DVD, or installing it in a separate
partition with a multiboot option after that.


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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Han

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Jul 17, 2009, 4:37:28 PM7/17/09
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"John H Meyers" <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote in
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Thanks, John!

rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 17, 2009, 4:42:01 PM7/17/09
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Funny you should mention that. I went back and re-read all the
postings to me and saw that instruction. That lead me directly too my
REAL data files. However, any custom mailboxes, etc. are not there.
Only IN, OUT and Trash mailboxes. Also, the Attach folder. I'm not at
that computer right now, but there might be more. However, all my
addresses, filters, etc. are still in the C:\Program Files\Eudora
Folder. Here is what I have now:

E = C:\Program Files\Eudora
V = Virtual Folder as instructed above which has "some" of my data
E2=The setup program for the NEW Eudora 7.1


This is what I think I should do:

Rename C:\Program Files\Eudora to C:\Program Files\EuodraOld
Install E2 into C:\Program Files\Eudora
Look to see where my data files should be by going into About Eudora.
This will probably point to the Virtual Store location which,
now, I know where it is.
At this point, Eudora should work.

However, at what point and where do I overwrite files so that I have my
other data (Attachments, custom mailbaxes, filters, ISP info, etc.)?
Also, why does Vista allow these files and folders to exist in the
Program Files\Eudora directory?

Thanks........

Stan Bischof

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Jul 17, 2009, 6:27:14 PM7/17/09
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John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

It is hardly rocket science!

(1) Choose a directory somewhere
(2) install Eudora using all the defaults
(3) start Eudora from a shortcut pointing to chosen directory

that's it- ALL Eudora data goes to the chosen directory
for easy backup. portability, etc.

MUCH Better than having data strewn all over the place

Stan

rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 17, 2009, 6:32:19 PM7/17/09
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On 17 Jul 2009 22:27:14 GMT, Stan Bischof
<st...@newserve.worldbadminton.com> wrote:

But this method circumvents Vista's security protocol (which I didn't
know about until now). I used to install Eudora your way but I was
ignorant of the security issue.

Han

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Jul 17, 2009, 7:15:51 PM7/17/09
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rmo...@cox.net wrote in news:ssu165p43crkbqd7l...@4ax.com:

I think the only "security issue" is that Vista prevents you to install
data directories under the Program Files directory, and that is a good
thing. The other thing is that it prefers to have dedicated data
directories under Users your name.

I have my own data directory on a different partition, because that's
what I have been doing before. The shortcut to my Eudora and mail is:
"C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe" "V:\maildirectory"

rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 17, 2009, 7:53:31 PM7/17/09
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>>
>> But this method circumvents Vista's security protocol (which I didn't
>> know about until now). I used to install Eudora your way but I was
>> ignorant of the security issue.
>>
>
>I think the only "security issue" is that Vista prevents you to install
>data directories under the Program Files directory, and that is a good
>thing. The other thing is that it prefers to have dedicated data
>directories under Users your name.
>
>I have my own data directory on a different partition, because that's
>what I have been doing before. The shortcut to my Eudora and mail is:
>"C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe" "V:\maildirectory"

Yes, that's what I've been doing with my XP machine because I have two
drives. However, my Vista laptop only has on drive - so I created a
Folder in the root directory called "Data".

Han

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Jul 17, 2009, 8:22:39 PM7/17/09
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rmo...@cox.net wrote in news:sk3265tbikk276vf2...@4ax.com:

<snip>


> Yes, that's what I've been doing with my XP machine because I have two
> drives. However, my Vista laptop only has on drive - so I created a
> Folder in the root directory called "Data".
>

I think you should move that directory to the "official" Vista location,
which I believe you also have. Make the Eudora portion of your Data
directory a new subdirectory with a .fol extension "data.fol" or
something. There might already be .fol dircetories there. This will
allow you to see your email boxes that were originally in your C:/data
directory in Eudora, and enable you to move messages from one mailbox to
another.

Backups are your friends!!!!!!

Stan Bischof

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Jul 17, 2009, 8:48:33 PM7/17/09
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rmo...@cox.net wrote:
>>that's it- ALL Eudora data goes to the chosen directory
>>for easy backup. portability, etc.
>>
>>MUCH Better than having data strewn all over the place
>>
>>Stan
>
> But this method circumvents Vista's security protocol (which I didn't
> know about until now). I used to install Eudora your way but I was
> ignorant of the security issue.

Sorry- but nonsense. It IMPLEMENTS Vista's security protocol
which says that the OS, applications and user space need
to be separate.

Stan

John H Meyers

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Jul 17, 2009, 8:56:57 PM7/17/09
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:27:14 -0500, Stan Bischof wrote:

> It is hardly rocket science!
>
> (1) Choose a directory somewhere
> (2) install Eudora using all the defaults
> (3) start Eudora from a shortcut pointing to chosen directory
>
> that's it- ALL Eudora data goes to the chosen directory
> for easy backup. portability, etc.
>
> MUCH Better than having data strewn all over the place

If the program files are not under a Windows area designed for them,
they will be less protected by the current security model.

The very fact of what is happening illustrates that security model.
For example, even if you are running as a computer administrator,
and your application is compromised and attempts to modify program files,
the original files do not get modified.

Similarly, data within one's profile is automatically protected
against being read by other users of the computer (in some cases,
it may even be protected against reading by a computer admininstrator;
an administrator can "take ownership" anyway,
but not without leaving a record that this has been done).

No one is compelled to take advantage of these things,
but it seems to me to be the best general advice,
for those who do not want to bother with understanding more about Windows.

Separation of programs from data (not "all over the place,"
but just two places) is a useful idea. It also minimizes backup
(only user data needs backup, rely on the original installer for program backup),
and makes it very clear which information is user-created,
vs. which comes with the application.

Many users, including me, even have quite a few independent "Data"
folders for totally separate email collections, somewhat akin to
the original independent "Identities" of Outlook Express.

How sensible would it be to have another, completely redundant set
of all the program files, within every one of those separate "Data" folders?

For those who would like the best of both good ideas,
e.g. for Eudora on a USB stick, one can make a single folder,
say "Eudora," then under that one can create two more folders,
"Programs" and "Data" -- the single "Eudora" folder
is then "everything in one place," with the separate
"Programs" and "Data" folders clearly dividing the other files,
between to their respective, fundamentally different purposes.

If you think that's still "all over the place," just take a look
at what's in either your "Programs or "Data" folder anyway
(lots more subfolders!)

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John H Meyers

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Jul 17, 2009, 9:04:16 PM7/17/09
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:53:31 -0500:

>> I have my own data directory on a different partition, because that's
>> what I have been doing before. The shortcut to my Eudora and mail is:
>> "C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe" "V:\maildirectory"

> Yes, that's what I've been doing with my XP machine because I have
> two drives. However, my Vista laptop only has on drive - so I created
> a Folder in the root directory called "Data".

What are its security permissions?

For example, who has read/write permission in it,
or for the files within it?

Compare with permissions within "My Documents," say.

The default "user app data" is also within one's personal private "profile,"
and Eudora even creates an always visible shortcut to that default location,
even if "hidden" files are not being shown.

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rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 17, 2009, 9:06:09 PM7/17/09
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On 18 Jul 2009 00:48:33 GMT, Stan Bischof
<st...@newserve.worldbadminton.com> wrote:

Sorry - but I misunderstood you post. Please read my post dated today,
69 lines, at 4:42pm. That's where I am right now. It's a little more
complicated because I screwed up when I first installed Eudora (simply
copied the Eudora folder from my XP machine to my new Vista machine.
This is where I need help.

ebloch

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Jul 17, 2009, 9:19:27 PM7/17/09
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Look at this site for "Find Everything", a very fast, easy to use, and free
search engine:
http://www.voidtools.com/


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John H Meyers

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Jul 17, 2009, 9:49:10 PM7/17/09
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:42:01 -0500:

> I went back and re-read all the postings to me and saw that instruction.
> That lead me directly too my REAL data files.

It always makes me feel better, when eventually
the genuine value of what I've posted is finally appreciated :)

> However, any custom mailboxes, etc. are not there.
> Only IN, OUT and Trash mailboxes. Also, the Attach folder.
> I'm not at that computer right now, but there might be more.
> However, all my addresses, filters, etc.
> are still in the C:\Program Files\Eudora Folder.

Well, just one more reading about how "VirtualStore" works,
slowly enough to digest its meaning, will probably also cause
an appreciation of how well written a referenced article also was :)

Only _modified_ files get copied to VirtualStore -- enough said?

> Here is what I have now:
>
> E = C:\Program Files\Eudora
> V = Virtual Folder as instructed above which has "some" of my data
> E2=The setup program for the NEW Eudora 7.1

> This is what I think I should do:
>
> Rename C:\Program Files\Eudora to C:\Program Files\EuodraOld
> Install E2 into C:\Program Files\Eudora

Fine. Who cares about Qualcomm, anyway? ;-)

However, the installer will also ask you where your mail will go;
DO NOT PROCEED until [re?]reading the following short post:

Summary of moving mail to Vista
http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=40803

Important quote from that posting:

Install Eudora 7.1,
====> accept default mail location "user app data" <====

> Look to see where my data files should be by going into About Eudora.

> This will probably point to the Virtual Store location...

It had better not!

> Why does Vista allow these files and folders to exist in the
> Program Files\Eudora directory?

You copied them, didn't you? Probably you had to also tell Vista
that you meant to do that, right, and thus you forced your way
through the security gate, even though Vista warned you.

> At what point and where do I overwrite files so that I have my


> other data (Attachments, custom mailbaxes, filters, ISP info, etc.)?

Isn't this all in that very short post mentioned once again above?

In your case, there is just a simple extra final step,
which would be to copy those additional _newest_ files from your VirtualStore,
where the latest _updates_ have been getting re-directed,
to update your now correctly located "Data" folder
(which would end up in "user app data," right alongside folders of data
for your numerous other Windows-savvy applications).

> At this point, Eudora should work.

God willing :)

Your "Data" folder will have some unused copies of "program" files in it,
because once you mixed all the files together, long ago,
like pouring pepper into the salt shaker,
it would take careful attention to unmix them now;
it is generally not necessary to remove them,
but you can, if you want (just be careful!)

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John H Meyers

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Jul 17, 2009, 9:57:20 PM7/17/09
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:48:33 -0500, Stan Bischof wrote:

> Sorry- but nonsense. It IMPLEMENTS Vista's security protocol
> which says that the OS, applications and user space need
> to be separate.

Yes, all separate.

I misread one thing earlier -- you did not suggest
combining programs and data; oh well, now we all
might even agree, sort of, just like the ever unified Congress :)

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Jul 17, 2009, 10:29:26 PM7/17/09
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:04:16 -0500, "John H Meyers"
<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:53:31 -0500:
>
>>> I have my own data directory on a different partition, because that's
>>> what I have been doing before. The shortcut to my Eudora and mail is:
>>> "C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe" "V:\maildirectory"
>
>> Yes, that's what I've been doing with my XP machine because I have
>> two drives. However, my Vista laptop only has on drive - so I created
>> a Folder in the root directory called "Data".
>
>What are its security permissions?

Never gave that a thought.

>
>For example, who has read/write permission in it,
>or for the files within it?
>
>Compare with permissions within "My Documents," say.
>
>The default "user app data" is also within one's personal private "profile,"
>and Eudora even creates an always visible shortcut to that default location,
>even if "hidden" files are not being shown.

I THINK I now understand what you mean.

rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 17, 2009, 10:32:28 PM7/17/09
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John, I still don't understand how to get ALL my data into the user app
data - Eudora folder.

John H Meyers

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Jul 17, 2009, 11:35:39 PM7/17/09
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:32:28 -0500:

> I still don't understand how to get ALL my data
> into the user app data - Eudora folder.

Have you started?

http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=40803

If following the links is any obstacle,
let's just keep copying them into new posts here:

Summary:

Install Eudora 7.1, accept default mail location "user app data"

Start Eudora, skip setup, find out where mail "data" should be
("Help" | "About Eudora" -- click "Data" path to open the folder)

Close Eudora (but leave the "data" folder open).

Copy entire original "mail" folder contents to this "data" folder
(even if copies of some old program files come along for the ride).

[then one more step for you]

Copy later versions of whichever of the "data" files
have since been re-directed to "VirtualStore" folders,
to replace those files which Vista
had refused to allow Eudora to update
when they were located under "Program Files" folders.

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Jul 18, 2009, 1:19:24 PM7/18/09
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I think that's clear and I understand. Please forgive me - I'm 64
years old and have a chronic head pain issue (nine years now) - so I
have trouble focusing. The only thing I think I don't yet understand
is that there are files and folders in the original "mail" folder that
the user "writes" to (custom mailboxes, filters, ISP settings, etc.).
Why aren't THEY also in the VirtualStore folder? I had always
considered them part of the "data" of Eudora. Thanks.......

rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 18, 2009, 2:48:19 PM7/18/09
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>
>Summary:
>
>Install Eudora 7.1, accept default mail location "user app data"
>
>Start Eudora, skip setup, find out where mail "data" should be
>("Help" | "About Eudora" -- click "Data" path to open the folder)
>
>Close Eudora (but leave the "data" folder open).
>
>Copy entire original "mail" folder contents to this "data" folder
>(even if copies of some old program files come along for the ride).
>
>[then one more step for you]
>
>Copy later versions of whichever of the "data" files
>have since been re-directed to "VirtualStore" folders,
>to replace those files which Vista
>had refused to allow Eudora to update
>when they were located under "Program Files" folders.

John, I'm wondering if I should rename my current C:\Program
Files\Eudora to something else and my VirtualStore Eudora folder to
something else before I install the new version 7.1 (so I don't
inadvertently overwrite any data).

John H Meyers

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Jul 18, 2009, 6:32:46 PM7/18/09
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:19:24 -0500:

> The only thing I think I don't yet understand
> is that there are files and folders in the original "mail" folder
> that the user "writes" to (custom mailboxes, filters, ISP settings, etc.)

> Why aren't THEY also in the VirtualStore folder?

Perhaps they haven't been updated since you placed them where they are;
for example, when was the last time you updated/added/deleted any filters?

Files not updated have had no need to re-direct any file writing,
in which case there would be no more recent update re-directed to "VirtualStore"

You should copy all files in all the subdirectories of "VirtualStore"
to corresponding places in your new Eudora "Data" (under "user app data")

If you simply copy the top-level data folder (probably named "Eudora")
in VirtualStore to the corresponding new folder location,
Windows will automatically take care of copying all files and subfolders.

For example, if updates to files in
[path1] "C:\Program Files\Eudora"
had been relocated to
[path2] "C:\Users\<your_account>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\Eudora"
and if your new Eudora "data" location is
[path3] "C:\Users\<your_account>\AppData\Eudora"
then you would copy the folder at path2 to path3.

Other users should note that the more usual default paths for Eudora
all contain "Qualcomm\Eudora" in place of just "Eudora"

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John H Meyers

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Jul 18, 2009, 6:42:31 PM7/18/09
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:48:19 -0500:

> I'm wondering if I should rename my current C:\ProgramFiles\Eudora


> to something else and my VirtualStore Eudora folder to something else
> before I install the new version 7.1
> (so I don't inadvertently overwrite any data).

Not necessary.

But the following is necessary:

Important quote from that posting:

Install Eudora 7.1,
====> accept default mail location "user app data" <====

Then:

Start Eudora, skip setup, find out where mail "data" should be
("Help" | "About Eudora" -- click "Data" path to open the folder)

Close Eudora (but leave the "data" folder open).

Copy entire original "mail" folder contents to this "data" folder
(even if copies of some old program files come along for the ride).

[then one more step for you]

Copy later versions of whichever of the "data" files
have since been re-directed to "VirtualStore" folders,
to replace those files which Vista
had refused to allow Eudora to update
when they were located under "Program Files" folders

[as was just detailed in previous post]

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rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 19, 2009, 2:32:03 PM7/19/09
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Having a very bad day with the head pain - so haven't put it all
together yet. Will let you know when I do - I appreciate your patience
with me.

rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 19, 2009, 8:52:39 PM7/19/09
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Oops! I have a virus in my "real" mailbox in the VirtualStore - and I
can't get at it. The AV program won't attempt to fix the problem
because it's a mailbox. The email is from the Bank of America and has
a "spoofing" virus in it. Any suggestions?

Stan Bischof

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Jul 19, 2009, 11:54:57 PM7/19/09
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rmo...@cox.net wrote:
> Oops! I have a virus in my "real" mailbox in the VirtualStore - and I
> can't get at it. The AV program won't attempt to fix the problem
> because it's a mailbox. The email is from the Bank of America and has
> a "spoofing" virus in it. Any suggestions?

For email programs that save as binary this would be tough to
deal with, but since Eudora saves as plain text this is a
piece of cake. Simply open the offending mailbox with a plain
text editor ( notepad/wordpad/etc but NOT Word or OO ) and
delete the message. Be a little careful with headers, though
the delineation should be pretty obvious. If there's an
attachment involved delete it also.

You might want to make a backup copy of the mailbox before you
edit it if you are uncomfortable with the edit

The power and flexibility of plain text can't be overestimated.

Stan

PS- it is almost 100% certainly NOT from Bank of America.
The header is forged.

John H Meyers

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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:52:39 -0500:

> Oops! I have a virus in my "real" mailbox in the VirtualStore - and I
> can't get at it. The AV program won't attempt to fix the problem
> because it's a mailbox.

AV programs do not know anything about Eudora,
and generally nothing about any email program.

They deal only with scanning whole files,
whatever they may contain; if a file
is considered to contain a threat, however,
then they do "quarantine" the entire file.

> The email is from the Bank of America
> and has a "spoofing" virus in it.

This language does not suggest "virus,"
but sounds more like "phishing,"
which is just a fake email,
inviting one to visit a fake web site,
where, if you attempt to "log in,"
the spoofer will then know your account login info,
and can raid your account and/or "steal your identity."

If it also contained any attachments,
then naturally we do not open them.

> Any suggestions?

Temporarily disable the AV program.

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rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 20, 2009, 2:00:38 PM7/20/09
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To John and Stan:

My AV program did not perform any action on my in.mbx file(s). Also, I
searched (through Eudora) and couldn' find any messages that included
the words "Bank of America." I then opened the in.mbx in Virtual Store
in Notebook and used the "Find" to find Bank of America." It found six
instances. If Eudora can't find these emails, should I leave well
enough alone? I really hate to have potential viruses (or connections
to viruses) on my machine. I would like to take all references to the
connections off.

What happens if I turn off my AV program? This, I don't understand.

rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 20, 2009, 3:00:14 PM7/20/09
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This is what my AV reports:

please see attachment

Steve Urbach

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Jul 20, 2009, 3:59:54 PM7/20/09
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Attachments not allowed in text groups.
Paste the text from the log file if you want us to see it.
(obscure sensitive data, by replacing them with <PLACE HOLDER> values)

rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 20, 2009, 5:21:25 PM7/20/09
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I wanted to do that - but the text is on another (networked) computer
and I don't know how to do it.

John H Meyers

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Jul 20, 2009, 5:50:28 PM7/20/09
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:00:38 -0500:

> My AV program did not perform any action on my in.mbx file(s).

You last had said:
"I have a virus in my "real" mailbox in the VirtualStore"

Was this just a piece of information, upon which the AV program
took no action at all, or did it "remove the threat"
by removing the original file from your VirtualStore?

> What happens if I turn off my AV program? This, I don't understand.

If, by any chance, your AV program quarantined (i.e. deleted)
the real (updated) copy of the entire original "In.mbx" in VirtualStore,
then the only way you would be able to put it back and keep it there,
long enough to copy to your new final "In" mailbox,
would be to temporarily turn off the AV program
(and also to restore the file from AV quarantine).

Watch out that all this activity may also have invalidated
the accompanying mailbox index and status file (In.toc),
or you might meanwhile have a new "In.mbx" but an old "In.toc,"
or you might have updated "In.toc" but then it wouldn't match up
with your old "In.mbx"

It may also be the case that an AV program only detected "threats" in
(and perhaps removed) incoming RCV files in a "spool" directory,
in which case no further action would be needed.

> I searched (through Eudora) and couldn't find any messages


> that included the words "Bank of America."

Which instance of Eudora did you use for searching?

If you used a newly moved instance,
no longer trying to use "Program Files,"
which will therefore never again look in VirtualStore,
then it won't be searching anything in VirtualStore,
so naturally it won't find those messages,
until you copy your mailbox(es) from VirtualStore
to your new "data" location.

Also, it is best not to search for too long a string,
while requiring an exact match -- for example, suppose "Bank of"
were on one line, and "America" on the next line?

No line would then contain the complete and exact string
"Bank of America," so you might entirely miss finding it.

A search for the words "bank" and "america"
(two separate match conditions, choosing "match all")
can do a better job in such particular cases, if they ever occur.

> I really hate to have potential viruses
> (or connections to viruses) on my machine.

All that one needs to do is delete fake emails;
throwing away your entire "In" box
will also of course accomplish this,
if you don't mind throwing away the "good" mail too.

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John H Meyers

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Jul 20, 2009, 5:59:03 PM7/20/09
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:54:57 -0500, Stan Bischof wrote:

> Simply open the offending mailbox with a plain text editor
> ( notepad/wordpad/etc but NOT Word or OO ) and delete the message.

Editing a mailbox MBX file outside of Eudora
will make the corresponding TOC invalid.

Eudora should detect this, and then offer to rebuild the TOC,
next time it opens the mailbox (to which you had better say Yes),
then you will lose some original "status" info that the TOC keeps track of.

It is therefore often better to use Eudora to delete specific messages,
which keeps the MBX and TOC files in sync, except in cases where
some corruption has occured in an MBX file (such as where the
"marker line" separating messages no longer starts at column 1,
causing a previous message to "swallow up" a subsequent message,
or other more serious mangling of the mailbox file).

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Steve Urbach

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Jul 20, 2009, 6:16:24 PM7/20/09
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The tried and true "sneaker net" (floppy or USB pen drive).
Copy, the, paste into a new text document, then sneaker it over to the other
system.

Will assume there are no "shared folders" to save the log to :/

rmo...@cox.net

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Jul 20, 2009, 7:00:34 PM7/20/09
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I wish I had the time to answer your questions but I have to leave for
a couple of days to take care of my grandson. Following is the
relevant part of the AV report. It may answer your questions:

C:\Program Files\Eudora\In.mbx
[0] Archive type: Eudora Mailbox
[WARNING] This file is a mailbox. To avoid damaging your emails
this file will not be repaired or deleted.
--> Mailbox_[Subject: Bank Of America Alert: Update Account
Informati][From: Bank Of America Alert
<servic...@alert.banko][Message-ID:
<E1J8mtN-...@sm014.omega47.com>]9950.mim
[1] Archive type: MIME
[DETECTION] Contains recognition pattern of the HTML/Spoofing.Gen
HTML script virus
--> file0.html
[DETECTION] Contains recognition pattern of the
HTML/Spoofing.Gen HTML script virus
C:\Users\Bob\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\Eudora\In.mbx
[0] Archive type: Eudora Mailbox
[WARNING] This file is a mailbox. To avoid damaging your emails
this file will not be repaired or deleted.
--> Mailbox_[Subject: Bank Of America Alert: Update Account
Informati][From: Bank Of America Alert
<servic...@alert.banko][Message-ID:
<E1J8mtN-...@sm014.omega47.com>]9950.mim
[1] Archive type: MIME
[DETECTION] Contains recognition pattern of the HTML/Spoofing.Gen
HTML script virus
--> file0.html
[DETECTION] Contains recognition pattern of the
HTML/Spoofing.Gen HTML script virus
C:\Users\Carol\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\Eudora\In.mbx
[0] Archive type: Eudora Mailbox
[WARNING] This file is a mailbox. To avoid damaging your emails
this file will not be repaired or deleted.
--> Mailbox_[Subject: Bank Of America Alert: Update Account
Informati][From: Bank Of America Alert
<servic...@alert.banko][Message-ID:
<E1J8mtN-...@sm014.omega47.com>]9950.mim
[1] Archive type: MIME
[DETECTION] Contains recognition pattern of the HTML/Spoofing.Gen
HTML script virus
--> file0.html
[DETECTIO