Euro / iso-8859-15 support in Eudora?
Alexander Skwar
I'm right now trying out Eudora 5.1.1 for the first time on Windows XP.
When I send a message with the € (Euro) character, Eudora uses
iso-8859-1 character encoding for the message. That's wrong -
iso-8859-1 doesn't have a € (Euro).
Is there somewhere a configuration where I can tell Eudora which charset
encoding to use?
Thanks,
Alexander Skwar
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Cataldo VALLONE
news:<3D0C73C...@spamgourmet.com> Alexander Skwar scriveva:
>
>When I send a message with the ¤ (Euro) character, Eudora uses
>iso-8859-1 character encoding for the message. That's wrong -
Alex, you are right! eudora uses cp win-1252 (Alt+0128 ~ 80 Hex)
on my win98 italian machine, even if in the header for outgoing
messages is declaring ISO-8859-1 but is a wrong declaration
>Is there somewhere a configuration where I can tell Eudora
> which charset encoding to use?
no
I don't know what is meaning:
============================================================
FOR WINDOWS, VERSION 5.1.1 -- RELEASE NOTES
============================================================
- Added support for the Euro symbol and other special characters.
- Incoming messages are now transliterated from ISO-8859-15 or UTF-8
to the default Windows character set as appropriate
cfr.
Message-ID: <3cfcabb3...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:06:17 GMT
Alexander Skwar
> Alex, you are right! eudora uses cp win-1252 (Alt+0128 ~ 80 Hex)
> on my win98 italian machine, even if in the header for outgoing
> messages is declaring ISO-8859-1 but is a wrong declaration
Fine, so Eudora doesn't support the € character :(
Does anyone know when/if there'll be a version which fixes this bug?
> I don't know what is meaning:
Neither do I. Seems to be some meaningless marketing speech, as Eudora is
broken :(
Akseli Mäki
>>When I send a message with the ¤ (Euro) character, Eudora uses
>>iso-8859-1 character encoding for the message. That's wrong -
>>That's wrong -
>>iso-8859-1 doesn't have a € (Euro).
Problem is your Windows doesn't use iso-8859-1, it uses something like
MICROSOFT-8859-1 which does really include a euro. Except unlike the
"name" implies, there is no such type of standardized encoding,
Windows just made it up.
>Alex, you are right! eudora uses cp win-1252 (Alt+0128 ~ 80 Hex)
>on my win98 italian machine, even if in the header for outgoing
>messages is declaring ISO-8859-1 but is a wrong declaration
Could be a Windows "feature"? Windows encodes certain character as
euro, even though on other machines the *same* charset doesn't contain
euro. So using Eudora, it should be at least possible to use euro to
mail for someone who also uses Windows.
In practice why bother trying, you could easily use something like e,
E, or euro. OK I'm not sure if the big E is correct, but at least the
small one should. Transferring euro symbol from one computer to
another is still a problem, in theory it should be possible but..
Eudora doesn't support Unicode nor ISO-8859-15 in *sending* mail. I
guess, the persons who are making Eudora lately(some janitor employed
by QUALCOMM and his wife perhaps) didn't have the time or skill to
make it to last update.
Relnotes.txt is pretty "hilarious" to read if you are a programmer.
Ian Hoare
le Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:40:18 +0200, tu disais:-
>On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:27:56 +0200, Cataldo VALLONE wrote:
>
>> Alex, you are right! eudora uses cp win-1252 (Alt+0128 ~ 80 Hex)
>> on my win98 italian machine, even if in the header for outgoing
>> messages is declaring ISO-8859-1 but is a wrong declaration
>
>Fine, so Eudora doesn't support the € character :(
I think you'll find it does. I can both send and receive emails with the €
symbol and see them perfectly as can my correspondents.
>Neither do I. Seems to be some meaningless marketing speech, as Eudora is
>broken :(
A bit extreme as a description. But whatever turns you on Alex.
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Jan Ehrhardt
+0200):
>>Fine, so Eudora doesn't support the € character :(
>
>I think you'll find it does. I can both send and receive emails with the €
>symbol and see them perfectly as can my correspondents.
I do not. Many OE-users send me messages with the Euro encoded as €
Eudora 5.1.1 shows this as a square.
Jan
Cataldo VALLONE
nella news:<nfrugugv4gk2iudcr...@4ax.com> scriveva:
>
>I think you'll find it does. I can both send and receive emails with the
>symbol and see them perfectly as can my correspondents.
You see (and me too!) EUR symbol at position Alt+0128 (80 Hex)
but that is using Content-Type: charset=CodePage Windows1252
not standard for internet.
*nix or Mac user don't recognize at all character between
Alt+128 ~ Alt+159 are explicitly reserved for control purposes
The use of octets in the range 128 - 159 in any data to be processed
by a program that expects ISO 8859-1 encoded data is an error which
might cause just anything. They might for example get ignored, or be
processed in a manner which looks meaningful, or be interpreted as
control character
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars.html#win
ALT+164 -> EUR glyph (character set ISO-8859-15)
standard for all sys.op
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/latin9.html
P.S.
Jan, your Forte Free Agent 1.21 (and my too) don't write header
MIME-Version:,
Content-Type:, charset=,
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
You (and me) must use only us-ascii character Alt+32~Alt+0126
Cataldo VALLONE
news:<nfrugugv4gk2iudcr...@4ax.com> Ian Hoare scriveva:
>
>I think you'll find it does. I can both send and receive emails with the
>symbol and see them perfectly as can my correspondents.
Ian, using Eudora, you see (and me too!) EUR symbol at position
Alt+0128 (80 Hex)
but that is using charset= CodePage Windows1252
not standard for internet.
*nix or Mac user don't recognize at all character between
Alt+128 ~ Alt+159 are explicitly reserved for control purposes
The use of octets in the range 128 - 159 in any data to be processed
by a program that expects ISO 8859-1 encoded data is an error which
might cause just anything. They might for example get ignored, or be
processed in a manner which looks meaningful, or be interpreted as
control character
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars.html#win
ALT+0164 -> EUR glyph (in character set ISO-8859-15)
(A4 Hex) standard for all sys.op
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/latin9.html
P.S.
your Forte Agent 1.8 is a very good program, it can recognize and use
many charset (win1252, ISO-8859-1, ISO8859-15, etc..)
but actually your post is declaring ISO-8859-1 which don't contains
EUR glyph (only win1252 and ISO-8859-15)
can you adjust it?
Katrina Knight
Does the font you're using have a Euro symbol to start with? Not all of
them do, and not all of them have it in the same position in the font
table if they do. If the font has a square in position where you expect
the Euro symbol to be, you're going to see a square.
--
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Alexander Skwar
> I think you'll find it does. I can both send and receive emails with the €
> symbol and see them perfectly as can my correspondents.
No, it does not. I tried, and can only read it in some Windows
programs, because Eudora labels the message to contain iso-8859-1
characters only and uses hex 80 as the code for the €.
Both is completely wrong.
> A bit extreme as a description. But whatever turns you on Alex.
Okay, maybe - how would you describe marketing a broken feature?
Alexander Skwar
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Jan Ehrhardt
GMT):
>Jan Ehrhardt <mon...@monitor.nl.x> wrote:
>
>Does the font you're using have a Euro symbol to start with? Not all of
>them do, and not all of them have it in the same position in the font
>table if they do.
Yes, I was reading the message in Arial. The same font displays eurosymbols
in my browsers (Opera, NN4, NN6 and IE) perfectly.
Jan
Cataldo VALLONE
news:<3d105756...@news.xs4all.nl> Jan Ehrhardt scriveva:
>
>I do not. Many OE-users send me messages with the Euro encoded as €
>Eudora 5.1.1 shows this as a square.
€ (decimal) = € (hexadecimal)
are referring to "Unicode" encoding for html
(Content-Type: multipart/alternative) formatted messages
http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/entities/special.html
|browser support for these entities is generally quite poor,
|but recent browsers support some of the character entity references
|and decimal character references.
as well as "unicode" 0x20AC
for txt formatted messages
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Eudora do not support "Unicode", neither html nor txt
and 5.1.1 seems not being better than 5.1
Jan Ehrhardt
GMT):
>Does the font you're using have a Euro symbol to start with? Not all of
>them do, and not all of them have it in the same position in the font
>table if they do. If the font has a square in position where you expect
>the Euro symbol to be, you're going to see a square.
My first reply to your message was from my home (where I stiil use Eudora
3.05). So I recalled from memory it was a square. I was wrong: it was the
not sign: ¬ (hyphen with a small 'teardrop' on the right end).
The relevant part of the message:
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C1FACF.89504D00"
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
<x-html>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jan,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ik ben (met enige afrondingen) uitgekomen op
€ 70.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Samenstelling: € 19,50 Nevobogeld voor
hemzelf, 1/8
deel van het teamgeld (seniorenteam 2 x € 125) plus 7 x
trainingsgeld ad €
2,75. </FONT></DIV>
This displays as http://cgi.monitor.nl/temp/eudora.gif (5 KB)
On the left hand is a webpage in Arial, on the right hand Eudora.
As you can see, Eudora does not display the € correctly.
If I use Microsoft's viewer or send the message to my browser, I *do*
get the euro symbol.
Jan
Alexander Skwar
> Is there somewhere a configuration where I can tell Eudora which charset
> encoding to use?
I've written a bug report about this, and got back:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Unfortunately that can't be done currently in Eudora, the developers are
aware of the issue and are working on a solution.
Please describe the problem:
iso-8859-1 character set encoding is used when sending a € (Euro)
character. That's simply wrong - iso-8859-1 doesn't have a € (Euro)
sign. iso-8859-15, some windows-125x encoding or Unicode has to be used.
Please provide the following information:
What operating system are you using (please provide the exact version)?
Windows XP
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Cataldo VALLONE
news:<3d11ed9a...@news.xs4all.nl> Jan Ehrhardt scriveva:
>
>it was the not sign: ¬ (hyphen with a small 'teardrop' on the right end).
"not sign" => code AC (Hex) (Alt+172 in decimal) in ISO-8859x
but probably you see another character before,
a "space" => code 20 (Hex) (Alt+032 in decimal) in ISO-8859x
space + not sign => 20 + AC in ISO-8859x
Unicode encoding for EUR symbol is
€ (hexadecimal) or equivalent € (decimal)
Eudora sees unicode like if it were ISO
John De Hoog
On 21-Jun-2002, Alexander Skwar
<moznews-win.z...@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
> Alexander Skwar wrote:
> > Is there somewhere a configuration where I can tell Eudora which charset
> >
> > encoding to use?
>
> I've written a bug report about this, and got back:
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Unfortunately that can't be done currently in Eudora, the developers are
> aware of the issue and are working on a solution.
The developers are aware of this issue?!! This one has been around for
years, and they are just now working on it? Why did this take a back seat to
such breathtaking advances as mood watcher?
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Jan Ehrhardt
GMT):
Not quite. Eudora sees unicode like if it were Windows-1252
<http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html#CP1252>
To test this I edited the *.mbx file a little bit. And what was
the effect:
₀ == ₀ == 20 + alt-0128 = space + euro €
₤ == ₤ == 20 + alt-0164 = space + currency symbol ¤
Look at http://cgi.monitor.nl/temp/eudora2.gif for the result.
₀, ₤, € and € can be seen.
So, all we need is a tool to change every € in ₀ ;-)
Jan
Jan Ehrhardt
GMT):
>>Eudora sees unicode like if it were ISO
>
>Not quite. Eudora sees unicode like if it were Windows-1252
><http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html#CP1252>
>
>To test this I edited the *.mbx file a little bit. And what was
>the effect:
>
>₀ == ₀ == 20 + alt-0128 = space + euro €
>₤ == ₤ == 20 + alt-0164 = space + currency symbol ¤
>
>Look at http://cgi.monitor.nl/temp/eudora2.gif for the result.
>₀, ₤, € and € can be seen.
>
>So, all we need is a tool to change every € in ₀ ;-)
By the way: ₀ or unicode 2080 is "SUBSCRIPT ZERO"
http://oss.software.ibm.com/cgi-bin/icu/ub/utf-8/?k=2080
Jan
rdo...@bigfoot.com
Eudora/Qualcomm these days, and unfortunately without any evidence that it's
more than just lip service! I've used Eudora since ver. 1.0 and and the last
version is quickly stripping away Eudora's good name as far as I'm
concerned.
Just my 2-cents worth...
--RoseMarie
In article <3D12322C...@spamgourmet.com>, Alexander Skwar
<moznews-win.z...@spamgourmet.com> writes:
>Alexander Skwar wrote:
>> Is there somewhere a configuration where I can tell Eudora which charse=
>t=20
>> encoding to use?
>
>I've written a bug report about this, and got back:
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Unfortunately that can't be done currently in Eudora, the developers are =
>
>aware of the issue and are working on a solution.
>
>Please describe the problem:
>iso-8859-1 character set encoding is used when sending a =A4 (Euro)=20
>character. That's simply wrong - iso-8859-1 doesn't have a =A4 (Euro)=20
>sign. iso-8859-15, some windows-125x encoding or Unicode has to be used.=
>
>
>Please provide the following information:
>
>What operating system are you using (please provide the exact version)?
>Windows XP
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>--=20
>Alexander Skwar
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