Eudora and Yahoo - working BUT ....

[who where]

Further to my previous posts, Eudora 6.2.3.4 is now happily accessing
my Yahoo accounts. As my endeavour is to avoid the Yahoo webmail
interface entirely, I felt it was appropriate to copy all messages
down to mailboxes in Eudora.

Of course the only method to retrieve messages from Yahoo is via their
Inbox. For inbound messages that is no issue, but the contents of the
"Sent" and other user-created boxes could only be extracted via the
Yahoo Inbox.

If I downloaded the Sent messages via this route, in the E-Inbox they
show my username as the "Who" field. (As a temporary measure I have
moved them into a "sent" box where the "who" is th same). If I
transfer them from the E-Inbox to Out, I get a warning msg-box:
"Some headers may be removed when transferring to the Out Mailbox.
Transfer anyway?"

If I transfer them, they show the correct addressee but today's date
(i.e. the date is lost) and the status shows a green "D"

Is there a practical way to get these messages into a mailbox with
both the addressee and date fields shown correctly?

[John H Meyers]

On 3/1/2012 10:56 PM, who where wrote:

> Of course the only method to retrieve messages from Yahoo
> is via their Inbox.

By way of comparison, all mail is retrievable via POP from Gmail,
regardless of labels ("Inbox" label is not required).

If access via IMAP is provided at Yahoo,
then other mailboxes may become available for remote viewing,
as well as for copying to local storage.

> Is there a practical way to get [Sent] messages into a mailbox with

> both the addressee and date fields shown correctly?

"Bcc:" outgoing mail to yourself.

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[who where]

On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 01:34:45 -0600, John H Meyers
<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>On 3/1/2012 10:56 PM, who where wrote:
>
>> Of course the only method to retrieve messages from Yahoo
>> is via their Inbox.
>
>By way of comparison, all mail is retrievable via POP from Gmail,
>regardless of labels ("Inbox" label is not required).
>
>If access via IMAP is provided at Yahoo,
>then other mailboxes may become available for remote viewing,
>as well as for copying to local storage.

I couldn't find any reference to IMAP - which of course doesn't
establish that it isn't possible. (The POP facility is in its own
panel "POP and forwarding" ...)

>> Is there a practical way to get [Sent] messages into a mailbox with
>> both the addressee and date fields shown correctly?
>
>"Bcc:" outgoing mail to yourself.

After the event? What I have in the Y-Out box is the history since
mid-2004.

[who where]

On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 09:45:34 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 19:27:19 +0800, who where <no...@home.net> declaimed
>the following in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows:

>
>> After the event? What I have in the Y-Out box is the history since
>> mid-2004.
>

> Redirect all the messages to you? As I understand it, redirect is
>supposed to use the original "From" as the sender, whereas forwarding
>uses "you" as the sender.

I may not have explained the situation very well. I am trying to get
the contents of the Yahoo outbox (about 8 years, ~1000 messages) into
a corresponding mailbox in Eudora. WHile I can get the messages into
mailboxes in Eudora, attempts to get them with correct headers for
date_sent and addressee have eluded me.

I don't see any redirect option within the Yahoo mail setup, only
forwarding - and in any event surely these would only apply to
messages arriving AFTER any change of settings. If you can see a way
I'd love to hear it.

[Han]

who where <no...@home.net> wrote in
news:77h5l758joiaepenf...@4ax.com:

This should be possible if your mail client can do IMAP. Eudora 7.1.0.9
definitely can do this, but ...

Googling for the question "can i get yahoo mail via imap" I got to
Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Mail>:

Ther it says Yahoo IMAP is available but with restrictions, such as via
mobile phones it is, but it isn't supported for "regular" computers. But
I didn't see how to get my iPhone to do IMAP for my POP Yahoo Plus
account. Here is a link:
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=493064>

Hope this helps.

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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

[John H Meyers]

On 3/1/2012 10:56 PM:

> Further to my previous posts, Eudora 6.2.3.4 ....

Why not update to 7.1.0.9?
(see release notes for numerous benefits;
actually there are more that are not even mentioned).

> I downloaded messages sent from Yahoo...
> If I transfer them to Out, I get a warning msg-box:

> "Some headers may be removed when transferring to the Out Mailbox.
> Transfer anyway?"
>
> If I transfer them, they show the correct addressee but today's date
> (i.e. the date is lost) and the status shows a green

> [dot with a square, indicating a message that can be sent now].

When you display a message actually sent by Eudora,
do you see any "Date:" header displayed?

You may view a copy of your normal "Out" Mailbox in Notepad
for further evidence that no "Date:" header is even stored,
and that the date displayed in the window title bar of an opened message
is instead taken from a line _between_ messages, such as this:

From ???@??? Mon Mar 05 21:26:23 2012

When messages are downloaded via POP,
such lines reflect the date and time downloaded,
rather than the date and time sent.

Even if a "Date:" header was also downloaded,
if you transfer a downloaded message to "Out,"
any "Date:" header is removed, as is the message status,
leaving the date downloaded as the only available date
(any "default stationery" seems also to be applied),
transforming the message into a message ready to be sent anew,
somewhat like (or perhaps exactly like) "Send Again."

This explains why transferring any downloaded messages to "Out"
is not recommended (hence the warning message),
unless you want that kind of effect to occur.

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[who where]

On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 04:50:46 -0600, John H Meyers
<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>On 3/1/2012 10:56 PM:
>
>> Further to my previous posts, Eudora 6.2.3.4 ....
>
>Why not update to 7.1.0.9?

Win98SE

>> I downloaded messages sent from Yahoo...
>> If I transfer them to Out, I get a warning msg-box:
>> "Some headers may be removed when transferring to the Out Mailbox.
>> Transfer anyway?"
>>
>> If I transfer them, they show the correct addressee but today's date
>> (i.e. the date is lost) and the status shows a green
>> [dot with a square, indicating a message that can be sent now].
>
>When you display a message actually sent by Eudora,
>do you see any "Date:" header displayed?

? There is no " "Date:" header" in them, just as there is no such
"header" in the ISP-based account instances. The page-head banner
shows the sent date, which I consider different to a "header" per se.

>You may view a copy of your normal "Out" Mailbox in Notepad
>for further evidence that no "Date:" header is even stored,
>and that the date displayed in the window title bar of an opened message
>is instead taken from a line _between_ messages, such as this:
>
> From ???@??? Mon Mar 05 21:26:23 2012
>
>When messages are downloaded via POP,
>such lines reflect the date and time downloaded,
>rather than the date and time sent.

Indeed. I have also checked a local "sent" mailbox which contains
messages POPped down from Yahoo-Sent, and there is a
download-timestamped line/separator BUT the original date/time is
still present as a header:

From ???@??? Thu Mar 01 16:50:33 2012
Received: from [xx.xx.xxx.xx] by web63109.mail.re1.yahoo.com
via HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:44:24 EST
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:44:24 +1000 (EST)
From: Me <zzzz...@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: EPROM adaptors for Moto Syntrx
To: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx

>Even if a "Date:" header was also downloaded,
>if you transfer a downloaded message to "Out,"
>any "Date:" header is removed, as is the message status,
>leaving the date downloaded as the only available date
>(any "default stationery" seems also to be applied),
>transforming the message into a message ready to be sent anew,
>somewhat like (or perhaps exactly like) "Send Again."
>
>This explains why transferring any downloaded messages to "Out"
>is not recommended (hence the warning message),
>unless you want that kind of effect to occur.

I certainly don't want to lose the date, but it seems a
rock/hard_place deal - lose the date or lose the adressee in the
mailbox pane.

Question: Is a TOC rebuilt if deleted? If so, conceivably one could
programmatically stuff the OUT box from the (local) Sent box to
circumvent both of these issues, and then allow the TOC to rebuild.

[John H Meyers]

On 3/6/2012 7:22 PM, who where wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 04:50:46 -0600, John H Meyers
> <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 3/1/2012 10:56 PM:
>>
>>> Further to my previous posts, Eudora 6.2.3.4 ....
>>
>> Why not update to 7.1.0.9?
>
> Win98SE

Eudora 6.2.5.6 remains available,
and I seem to recall that only two things
(one being the need to start any dialup connection first in Windows)
present any problem to Eudora 7 on Win98SE.

> I have checked a local "sent" mailbox which contains

> messages POPped down from Yahoo-Sent, and there is a
> download-timestamped line/separator BUT the original date/time is
> still present as a header:
>
> From ???@??? Thu Mar 01 16:50:33 2012
> Received: from [xx.xx.xxx.xx] by web63109.mail.re1.yahoo.com
> via HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:44:24 EST
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:44:24 +1000 (EST)
> From: Me<zzzz...@yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: EPROM adaptors for Moto Syntrx
> To: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx

And you have noticed that when you use Eudora to move any downloaded (incoming)
message to "Out" (which is normally an illogical move) the original "Date:" header
is among those removed, much the same as performing "Send Again."

> I certainly don't want to lose the date, but it seems a

> rock/hard_place deal - lose the date or lose the addressee
> in the mailbox pane.

> Is a TOC rebuilt if deleted?

Yes -- but note that in a rebuilt TOC, "Who" is taken from "From:" headers
in all mailboxes except "Out," where "Who" is instead taken from "To:/Cc:/Bcc:"
depending upon the first non-empty such header in each message.

In either case, the date in a TOC is taken from a "Date:" header if present
(normally not present if the message was either composed or moved into "Out" by Eudora),
otherwise from the "From ???@???" line preceding the message headers.

Therefore, if you rename some other mailbox file, containing only
messages you sent from Yahoo and later downloaded into Eudora,
to replace "Out.mbx" (rather than let Eudora move the messages for you)
and delete "Out.toc" (to cause Eudora to rebuild the TOC),
the rebuilt TOC will preserve original dates,
as well as always show some recipient(s) in the "Who" column,
making messages sent from Yahoo look like messages sent from Eudora.

If you merely _append_ your Yahoo-SENT messages to an existing "Out.mbx" file
(using file manipulations while Eudora is not running),
this may also cause the TOC to be updated for the appended messages (try it!)

If you append any Yahoo-RECEIVED messages to "Out.mbx"
then you'll get the right dates but will not see the original senders under "Who."

All messages appended to "Out" that subsequently have their TOC entries rebuilt
will also appear like outgoing Eudora messages when opened
(other original headers may not be seen).

"Who knew?" ;-)

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[who where]

On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 08:31:45 -0600, John H Meyers

<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>On 3/6/2012 7:22 PM, who where wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 04:50:46 -0600, John H Meyers
>> <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/1/2012 10:56 PM:
>>>
>>>> Further to my previous posts, Eudora 6.2.3.4 ....
>>>
>>> Why not update to 7.1.0.9?
>>
>> Win98SE
>
>Eudora 6.2.5.6 remains available,
>and I seem to recall that only two things
>(one being the need to start any dialup connection first in Windows)
>present any problem to Eudora 7 on Win98SE.

As I'm on ADSL2, the dialup issue is a non-event. If I knew what the
other thing was, I might contemplate it. But putting things in
perspective, I only just migrated from 4.3.2 to 6.2.3.4 following your
post dated 3 Sept in this group (thread: Smart upgrade for Eudora and
Yahoo mail):

"You should use Eudora version 7.1.0.9 if possible, or no older than
version 6.2.3.4 if on any version of Windows older than Windows 2000."

I'm not into updating for the sake of fashion, else i wouldn't still
be using 98SE on this box (although there are some valid legacy
reasons too ...).

Yes! That achieved what I was pursuing.

>If you merely _append_ your Yahoo-SENT messages to an existing "Out.mbx" file
>(using file manipulations while Eudora is not running),
>this may also cause the TOC to be updated for the appended messages (try it!)

I went with Plan A (above), so I didn't need to try it. Maybe on
another account with less sent messages (this one is >1000 and the
last thing I wanted was corrupting or losing that archive).

>If you append any Yahoo-RECEIVED messages to "Out.mbx"
>then you'll get the right dates but will not see the original senders under "Who."

Received traffic is fine, and is happily in inboxes.

>All messages appended to "Out" that subsequently have their TOC entries rebuilt
>will also appear like outgoing Eudora messages when opened
>(other original headers may not be seen).

I can confirm that. The only "quirk" is that these Yahoo-sent
messages now show in the status(?) column:

(a) a white X on a red circle when in the Out.mbx; or
(b) a green "bar" when moved into a "Sent-2007" mailbox.

This has no impact on operation, so all is now good.

>"Who knew?" ;-)

Presumably you did, John. Why am I not surprised?

Thanks again to you and all.