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Larc
Oct 20, 2016, 8:09:37 AM10/20/16
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Original mail sent from Thunderbird looks OK when received on Eudora. But replying
to that mail on Eudora produces text of the quoted original message that looks like
this:
... again this week. They didn't actually have any, but are probably waiting for
some. I got the last 2 when I was there yesterday. That's one of the things you
would need...
Is there any Eudora setting in the .ini file or otherwise that will keep the upper
case A topped by circumflex accent characters from showing up in quoted text?
Thanks.
Larc
to that mail on Eudora produces text of the quoted original message that looks like
this:
... again this week. They didn't actually have any, but are probably waiting for
some. I got the last 2 when I was there yesterday. That's one of the things you
would need...
Is there any Eudora setting in the .ini file or otherwise that will keep the upper
case A topped by circumflex accent characters from showing up in quoted text?
Thanks.
Larc
Larc
Oct 24, 2016, 1:55:29 PM10/24/16
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 15:20:52 +0000, Jim H <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
| On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 09:16:09 -0400, in
| <qveh0c5lievrkke9v...@4ax.com>, Dennis Lee Bieber
| <wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
|
| >On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 08:09:30 -0400, Larc <la...@notmyaddress.com> declaimed
| >the following:
| >ISO-Latin-1. If you are configured for "use Microsoft viewer" (which means
| >the rendering engine of Internet Explorer is used in the Eudora window, it
| >might be interpreting data as UTF-8, and combining a byte pair. When quoted
| >and sent as ISO-Latin-1, the byte pair will be seen on the recipient side
| >as two characters -- one of which could be that accented A.
| >
| > I'm used to seeing those at the beginning of text (on my Nook yet, from
| >some web-pages!). Haven't seen them at the end of sentences before.
| >
| > Is the sender using some special end of line character?
| >
| > ISO-Latin-1 A-circumflex is 0xC2... or 11000010 binary
| > UTF-8 2-byte character range is signaled by 110xxxxx 10xxxxxx
| >
| > Note the examples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#Examples
| >... the ¢ ("cent" sign; Windows:Western -- a variation of ISO-Latin-1) is
| >xA2 but is xC2A2 in UTF-8. So viewing a UTF-8 cent sign as ISO will end up
| >displaying as A-circumflex cent.
| >
| > Since I don't know what the second byte is, I can't be certain what the
| >sender is using. Any character that was ISO Ax would UTF-8 as xC2xx...
| >
| > And... It turns out the non-breaking space is ISO xA0, which would end
| >up as UTF-8 xC280 (which might then look like A-circumflex Euro on Windows,
| >but x80 is not assigned in ISO-Latin-1, so would be a non-display
| >character). Suggest asking the sender if they are using a non-breaking
| >space.
| >work with different encodings.
|
| All cases of the problem with non-brealing spaces seen here are due to
| the sender sending email in HTML format. If those senders will either
| stop entering two or more space characters consecutively, or will
| simply stop sending in HTML format, the problem with non-breaking
| spaces should disappear even if UTF-8 coding is used.
|
| Unfortunately this solution requires the cooperation of the sender.
| Your best bet in that regard may be to provide directions for how to
| turn off sending of HTML email globally rather than on a case by case
| basis. You can Google up directions for most email clients.
Thanks, Jim. I was the original sender of the message mentioned above. The person I
sent it to replied, including a full quote of the original. Thunderbird is set to
send messages to that particular address in text format, but I am composing them in
HTML. The message looks normal to the recipient, who uses Eudora. It's only when he
selects "Reply" that the quoted section then shows the odd characters. And they show
in what he sends me back as well. Suppose I'll need to stop composing in HTML.
Larc
| On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 09:16:09 -0400, in
| <qveh0c5lievrkke9v...@4ax.com>, Dennis Lee Bieber
| <wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
|
| >On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 08:09:30 -0400, Larc <la...@notmyaddress.com> declaimed
| >the following:
| >
| >>Original mail sent from Thunderbird looks OK when received on Eudora. But replying
| >>to that mail on Eudora produces text of the quoted original message that looks like
| >>this:
| >>
| > What viewer setting do you have active in Eudora.
| >>Original mail sent from Thunderbird looks OK when received on Eudora. But replying
| >>to that mail on Eudora produces text of the quoted original message that looks like
| >>this:
| >>
| >
| >>... again this week. They didn't actually have any, but are probably waiting for
| >>some. I got the last 2 when I was there yesterday. That's one of the things you
| >>would need...
| >>
| > Eudora itself does not know UTF-8, so anything it sends is flagged
| >>... again this week. They didn't actually have any, but are probably waiting for
| >>some. I got the last 2 when I was there yesterday. That's one of the things you
| >>would need...
| >>
| >ISO-Latin-1. If you are configured for "use Microsoft viewer" (which means
| >the rendering engine of Internet Explorer is used in the Eudora window, it
| >might be interpreting data as UTF-8, and combining a byte pair. When quoted
| >and sent as ISO-Latin-1, the byte pair will be seen on the recipient side
| >as two characters -- one of which could be that accented A.
| >
| > I'm used to seeing those at the beginning of text (on my Nook yet, from
| >some web-pages!). Haven't seen them at the end of sentences before.
| >
| > Is the sender using some special end of line character?
| >
| > ISO-Latin-1 A-circumflex is 0xC2... or 11000010 binary
| > UTF-8 2-byte character range is signaled by 110xxxxx 10xxxxxx
| >
| > Note the examples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#Examples
| >... the ¢ ("cent" sign; Windows:Western -- a variation of ISO-Latin-1) is
| >xA2 but is xC2A2 in UTF-8. So viewing a UTF-8 cent sign as ISO will end up
| >displaying as A-circumflex cent.
| >
| > Since I don't know what the second byte is, I can't be certain what the
| >sender is using. Any character that was ISO Ax would UTF-8 as xC2xx...
| >
| > And... It turns out the non-breaking space is ISO xA0, which would end
| >up as UTF-8 xC280 (which might then look like A-circumflex Euro on Windows,
| >but x80 is not assigned in ISO-Latin-1, so would be a non-display
| >character). Suggest asking the sender if they are using a non-breaking
| >space.
| >
| >
| >>Is there any Eudora setting in the .ini file or otherwise that will keep the upper
| >>case A topped by circumflex accent characters from showing up in quoted text?
| >>
| >
| > UTF-8 is the current bane of legacy Eudora. It was never upgraded to
| >
| >>Is there any Eudora setting in the .ini file or otherwise that will keep the upper
| >>case A topped by circumflex accent characters from showing up in quoted text?
| >>
| >
| >work with different encodings.
|
| All cases of the problem with non-brealing spaces seen here are due to
| the sender sending email in HTML format. If those senders will either
| stop entering two or more space characters consecutively, or will
| simply stop sending in HTML format, the problem with non-breaking
| spaces should disappear even if UTF-8 coding is used.
|
| Unfortunately this solution requires the cooperation of the sender.
| Your best bet in that regard may be to provide directions for how to
| turn off sending of HTML email globally rather than on a case by case
| basis. You can Google up directions for most email clients.
Thanks, Jim. I was the original sender of the message mentioned above. The person I
sent it to replied, including a full quote of the original. Thunderbird is set to
send messages to that particular address in text format, but I am composing them in
HTML. The message looks normal to the recipient, who uses Eudora. It's only when he
selects "Reply" that the quoted section then shows the odd characters. And they show
in what he sends me back as well. Suppose I'll need to stop composing in HTML.
Larc
Sid Elbow
Oct 24, 2016, 9:29:14 PM10/24/16
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On 10/24/2016 1:55 PM, Larc wrote:
> Thanks, Jim.sent it to replied, including a full quote of the original.
Don't you just hate when that happens?
> Thanks, Jim.sent it to replied, including a full quote of the original.
Don't you just hate when that happens?
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