Eudora + Comcast Problem
Dick Baker
Comcast has just forced me to switch from default SMTP port 25 to 587,
and Eudora doesn't like it, returning an authorization failure whenever I
try to send through Comcast's SMTP server.
Actually, if I set Eudora up in "pure Comcast" mode -- pointing at my
Comcast mailbox on its POP3 server, it sends fine through Comcast's SMTP
server.
But like most folks with their own domain name, I get my email at the
mailbox at my domain. That worked fine before this port switch: Eudora
fetched my mail from my domain POP server and sent mail out through the
Comcast SMTP server. Now if fails.
I can't help thinking that I'm overlooking some setting, but I'll be
darned if I know what it is. I'd be willing to upgrade to the latest
version of Eudora if I thought that would help.
Are there any Eudora + Comcast Port 587 users out there who can enlighten
me?
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Dick Baker
(contact via http://goon.org/newcontact.php)
John H Meyers
> Have long been using Eudora 5.2 with Comcast with no problems, but
> Comcast has just forced me to switch from default SMTP port 25 to 587,
> and Eudora doesn't like it, returning an authorization failure whenever
> I try to send through Comcast's SMTP server.
>
> Actually, if I set Eudora up in "pure Comcast" mode -- pointing at my
> Comcast mailbox on its POP3 server, it sends fine through Comcast's SMTP
> server.
>
> But like most folks with their own domain name, I get my email at the
> mailbox at my domain. That worked fine before this port switch: Eudora
> fetched my mail from my domain POP server and sent mail out through the
> Comcast SMTP server. Now it fails.
Servers require logins (with username and password) to do things.
Each Eudora personality can have only one username and password.
Therefore, you need as many Eudora personalities
as you have different username/password logins.
If one single personality has to login to both a POP and SMTP server,
but both servers don't accept the same username/password,
then one of the two logins will fail.
When you use an SMTP server which does _not_ need a login,
it can be associated with any "POP personality" and still work,
but as soon as "authentication" (login) is required,
you must either pair SMTP servers with POP servers that accept
the same username/password, or create separate personalities.
A feature called "SMTP Relay" (poorly named :) exists
to induce various "POP personalities" to hand off their outgoing mail
to some other personality to send -- this merely uses the other
personality's SMTP server, without affecting the "sending personality"
or the "From:" line of the outgoing message,
and generally takes care of the above issue.
IIRC, Eudora version 6.2.3.4 was the earliest which had the complete ability
to specify any combination of servers and ports (having just added
the "Use submission port (587)" check box to each individual personality);
however, you might be able to use 5.2 with a different Comcast SMTP setup,
which uses port 465 instead
(which is the "Alternate Port" in the SSL settings for sending mail):
http://help.comcast.net/content/faq/How-to-configure-Outlook-Express-to-send-and-receive-E-mail-while-traveling
It is also possible to edit Eudora.ini and manually make up
for the incomplete settings interface prior to version 6.2.3.4,
but it seems more profitable to me to get the latest version (7.1.0.9)
and thus take advantage of everything both fixed and added since older versions.
A related discussion, on Qualcomm forums:
http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showthread.php?t=13353#post37616
--
John H Meyers
>> Comcast has just forced me to switch from default SMTP port 25 to 587,
>> and Eudora doesn't like it, returning an authorization failure whenever
>> I try to send through Comcast's SMTP server.
I should have inserted one more thing -- you also have to check the box
"allow authentication," or else the personality sending mail
won't even try to log in.
Of course, you still need the right username/password,
so one personality can't login to two different ISPs,
unless, by coincidence or design, the usernames and passwords
are identical at each.
--
Dick Baker
Thanks for your very lucid explanation--I wish I'd thought to ask here
before wracking my brains in frustration for several days. And (but
scarcely any credit to me at this point) through experimentation I had
come close to your conclusions. Late last night it occurred to me to use
a personality to check my "real" mail box at my domain name and leave the
unused Comcast mail box as the dominant personality. It took a little
fiddling, but seems to do everything I need.
I also consulted the Eudora 7.1 manual and suspected that upgrading to
7.1 would solve my problems. I'd have done that immediately (and still
might), but I learned that Qualcomm is no longer supporting Eudora at
all. It's bad enough to own software that goes orphan on you, but I hate
the thought of buying an orphan from the outset.
"John H Meyers" <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote in
news:op.ufd10...@miu.edu:
--
Dick Baker
as I thought. I set up a personality to check my "real" email box at my
domain and I left the SMTP server blank, presuming that since the Comcast
SMTP server was specified in the dominant personality, all outgoing mail
would go through it.
Didn't realize I'd blundered until I tried replying to a message that had
come in through the subpersonality door. Eudora recognized it has having
come in that door, so it insisted on sending it out that way. Which fails,
whether I leave the SMPT server blank or put the Comcast server there;
either way, there's the mismatch that, as you said, just won't work. Guess
it's on to the Big Orphan.
Dick Baker <seesig4...@goon.org> wrote in
news:Xns9AF17A2...@140.99.99.130:
> John,
>
> Thanks for your very lucid explanation--I wish I'd thought to ask here
> before wracking my brains in frustration for several days. And (but
> scarcely any credit to me at this point) through experimentation I had
> come close to your conclusions. Late last night it occurred to me to
> use a personality to check my "real" mail box at my domain name and
> leave the unused Comcast mail box as the dominant personality. It
> took a little fiddling, but seems to do everything I need.
--
John H Meyers
> I learned that Qualcomm is no longer supporting Eudora at all.
Do they suport old 5.2 better than new 7.1 ?
Actually, the continuation and maintenance
of the entire "Eudora.com" site
(plus forums at eudorabb.qualcomm.com),
with continuing availablilty of all documents,
all installers, and some faint hint of eventually
seeing the "Thunderbird imitation of Eudora"
(launched by developers still on Qualcomm payroll)
is some significant degree of support!
> It's bad enough to own software that goes orphan on you,
> but I hate the thought of buying an orphan from the outset.
No "buying" (Qualcomm stopped taking money since April 2007),
so you'll have to accept it for free :)
Even without any code at all, selecting "sponsored" mode
and shoving the small "Ad window" completely off-screen
provides almost everything anyway, except spam filtering
(the sometimes problematic "Ultra-fast search" module
from x1.com, which charges royalties to Qualcomm for its use,
is no longer distributed with Eudora version 7).
"Paid" registration codes are also easy to come by
(some have been posted in this newsgroup);
although some "name" is associated with each code,
no one but you can see it, so whether it's
a university name, or your name, or "Jane Doe"
makes no difference. Eudora also transmits no info
to Qualcomm for any obnoxious tracking or restriction,
so you can really use any code that you come upon.
--
John H Meyers
> I didn't solve the problem as I thought.
> I set up a personality to check my "real" email box at my domain
> and I left the SMTP server blank, presuming that since the Comcast
> SMTP server was specified in the dominant personality,
> all outgoing mail would go through it.
Well, "Dominant" sounds like an all-powerful dictator,
but it just doesn't take over for a missing SMTP server
in other personalities :)
> Didn't realize I'd blundered until I tried replying to a message that had
> come in through the subpersonality door. Eudora recognized it has having
> come in that door, so it insisted on sending it out that way. Which fails,
> whether I leave the SMPT server blank or put the Comcast server there;
> either way, there's the mismatch that, as you said, just won't work.
Version 5.2.x didn't have the "SMTP relay" feature
to tell any personality to use another personality's SMTP server,
the first appearance of which was in version 6.0;
neither can this be remedied by manually editing Eudora.ini,
so it's pretty much "update or else," at this point.
Actually there is still a way for you to live with 5.2,
which is to simply specify your "other ISP" email address
(not your username or password, just the "Email address" field)
in your "Comcast" personality, so that you should
be able to choose the Comcast personality when sending mail,
yet have outgoing mail still say "From: m...@myother.net"
This is not so convenient, however, for people who have
more than one "POP personality" to "impersonate"
when sending as the "Comcast" (or common outgoing) personality.
Even then, there exists a setting which might allow you
to edit the "From:" header in _any_ outgoing message,
which could be useful for any "die hard"
who wants never to upgrade from version 5:
Insert into an outgoing message, followed by a "newline,"
hold ALT on keyboard and click it, change value to 1:
<X-Eudora-Option:EditAllHeaders>
That option is mentioned on this "support" page,
as well as in my manual and my built-in "Help":
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/ini.html
(so how can you say there's no "support"? :)
> Guess it's on to the Big Orphan [7.1.0.9]
At least it's big (pregnant with more newborn capability :)
--
Dick Baker
>> It's bad enough to own software that goes orphan on you,
>> but I hate the thought of buying an orphan from the outset.
>
> No "buying" (Qualcomm stopped taking money since April 2007),
> so you'll have to accept it for free :)
Yes, happy surprise. I downloaded 7.1 this morning and solved all my
problems. You can't complain about no "factory" support when you get the
product free.
> Even without any code at all, selecting "sponsored" mode
> and shoving the small "Ad window" completely off-screen
> provides almost everything anyway...
Ah, that is, I hope, my last question/request for help. I presume the Ad
window is the one at the left, a plain gray field with the Eudora logo at
the top. Dragging the right edge of it as far left as possible gets it
down to taking about 10-15% of the screen, but that's as far as I could go.
How to you shove it completely off-screen?
John H Meyers
> Dragging the right edge of [Ad window] as far left as possible
> gets it down to taking about 10-15% of the screen,
> but that's as far as I could go.
> How do you shove it completely off-screen?
You've already done right-click and "Float in main window,"
so now just click as _high_ as possible in that window
and drag straight _down_ to bottom of entire screen.
Visit again soon, and see whether "Froggie" or "Pantyhoseman"
spring out of the woodwork to deliver
a personalized reg code for your own name, or search
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=group:comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
for author "froggie," or separately for "contains" the word: pantyhoseman
(which each find several posted in the past).
A "Paid" reg code for all versions through 5.2.x was even offered
by Qualcomm: http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2759hq.html
They may have stopped there for several reasons
(such as royalties due in later versions
for licensed modules from other sources),
but had indicated in their U.S. Patent #7103643
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7103643.html
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7103643.html
that the publication of a reg code could be considered
upon "retirement" of the product,
and both Eudora and Ms. Welty do seem to have retired,
to places from which neither will return to live again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudora_Welty
http://www.eudorawelty.org/
--
John H Meyers
[re: dragging "Ad" window off-screen]
> You've already done right-click and "Float in main window,"
Oops, that should have read:
You've already done right-click and un-checked "Allow docking,"
[then drag top edge of Ad window to bottom edge of entire screen]
Each Eudora re-start raises the window back up slightly,
but of course you can shove it back down and forget it again all day
(or week, if you use "Standby" instead of "Shutdown" to make Windows
into a more "instant off, instant back on" sort of thing :)
--
Froggie the Gremlin
wrotd:
The absolutely BEST way to remove that ugly thing from your screen...
FirstName: Dick
LastName: Baker
Registration: 3349459983332939
Have a nice day!
---<ribbit>
Jim B
wrote:
John, on July 31, 2008 I posted my Eudora version 6.2.5.6/Win98SE problems here
and you were kind enough to help me. Later I also spoke to both Comcast and
Surewest (Everestkc.net), then spending about week making changes I still unable
to send my email. I finally gave up, I continue receiving email and cannot send
any. Do you think it is possible you have a website that give a step-by-step
setting up different personalties with different ISP and Email Provider?
Thanks aging.
Froggie the Gremlin
I set my son-in-law's configuration to use the following...
SMTP server: smtp.comcast.net
Allow Authentication (must be checked)
Secure Sockets when Sending: Req., Alternate port
With those settings, COMCAST has been working for them (Denver area) since
they went on-line...
---<ribbit>
John H Meyers
> I also spoke to both Comcast and Surewest (Everestkc.net),
> then spending about week making changes I am still unable to send my email.
> Do you think it is possible you have a website that give a step-by-step
> setting up different personalties with different ISP and Email Provider?
If you have a Surewest account and are trying to use a Surewest SMTP server,
then you have to get some settings information from them;
it could be in terms of settings for Outlook Express,
but there is no way for us to guess their server name, SSL and PORT info.
If you are trying to use a Comcast server and are connected via Comcast cable,
Comcast gives these SMTP settings (pictorially):
http://media2.comcast.net/anon.comcastonline2/support/help/faqs/port587/OE2.jpg
http://media2.comcast.net/anon.comcastonline2/support/help/faqs/port587/OE5.jpg
However, Comcast also gives settings which they say should work from anywhere:
http://help.comcast.net/content/faq/How-to-configure-Outlook-Express-to-send-and-receive-E-mail-while-traveling
(these agree with what Froggie just said).
If you need a different username/password for sending mail,
these are the simplest instructions I know of:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows/msg/77920cae26b2b784
How to set port numbers (Windows or Macintosh)
http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=37616
--
John H Meyers
about using a separate personality for outgoing mail:
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/tutorials/win_smtp_relay.html
You still need to tailor the "Secure Sockets when Sending"
and "Use submission port (587)" settings
(the latter not even shown in above)
to what _your_ SMTP server actually requires,
perhaps using this as a guide:
Setting "Port numbers" in Eudora (Windows and Macintosh)
http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=37616
You also still need to mark "Use relay personality"
in the personality "Properties"
of each POP personality (including "Dominant")
which you want to use the "relay" personality's SMTP server
(did the Eudora tutorial forget to mention this?)
Right-click any existing personality icon
and select "Properties" to locate that setting.
--
Jim B
wrote:
Hi John,
I set up Eudora with separate personality. That is via Comcast and I "play
around", keep trying using your website and instructions. I am only half
successful. I managed to send out three emails to my other emails.
Each time I open the Eudora, it ask for my password. I entered Comcast, than
Everestkc and both failed. I check the "Option" it was tick "on". The error
message read... "Via Comcast, Loggin to POP Server, PASS (11.11.11AM) There has
been an error transferring your mail. I said PASS <shhhhh> don't tell anyone
and than pop server <(XX...@pop3.evererstkc.net) said ERR AUTH Authentication
failed
Question... which password should I enter, Comcast or Everestkc and why both
failed?
Thanks
John H Meyers
> Each time I open the Eudora, it ask for my password. I entered Comcast, than
> Everestkc and both failed. I check the "Option" it was tick "on". The error
> message read... "Via Comcast, Loggin to POP Server, PASS (11.11.11AM) There has
> been an error transferring your mail. I said PASS <shhhhh> don't tell anyone
> and than pop server <(XX...@pop3.evererstkc.net) said ERR AUTH Authentication
> failed
>
> Question... which password should I enter,
> Comcast or Everestkc and why both failed?
That error message clearly indicates that at the moment of that particular
failure, Eudora was trying to read incoming mail from Everest's POP server.
Eudora version 7.1.0.9 should always be identifying the personality,
user name, and server for which it is asking a password,
and there should also be a check box which gives you the option
to have Eudora remember that password for future use.
When checking for incoming mail and asking for a password,
Eudora version 6.2.5.6 will show the username and POP server,
in the form: username@popserver
so there should be no mystery about which password it wants.
When sending outgoing mail, Eudora version 6.2.5.6
still identifies itself the same way as if checking for new
incoming mail (it names the POP server, rather than the SMTP server),
but at least you would know which personality it is,
and that personality can have only one password.
If you have had such an error occur, you can go to
"Special" | "Forget Password(s)" to make sure that Eudora
doesn't keep trying to repeat the same (wrong) password
to the same server.
--
Jim B
wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:30:17 -0500, Jim B wrote:
>
>> Each time I open the Eudora, it ask for my password. I entered Comcast, than
>> Everestkc and both failed. I check the "Option" it was tick "on". The error
>> message read... "Via Comcast, Loggin to POP Server, PASS (11.11.11AM) There has
>> been an error transferring your mail. I said PASS <shhhhh> don't tell anyone
>> and than pop server <(XX...@pop3.evererstkc.net) said ERR AUTH Authentication
>> failed
>>
>> Question... which password should I enter,
>> Comcast or Everestkc and why both failed?
>
>That error message clearly indicates that at the moment of that particular
>failure, Eudora was trying to read incoming mail from Everest's POP server.
>Eudora version 7.1.0.9 should always be identifying the personality,
>user name, and server for which it is asking a password,
>and there should also be a check box which gives you the option
>to have Eudora remember that password for future use.
>
>When checking for incoming mail and asking for a password,
>Eudora version 6.2.5.6 will show the username and POP server,
>in the form: username@popserver
>so there should be no mystery about which password it wants.
Yes, it ask for Everest POP3 server. And I enter Everest password. I still
received error message. I did tick off in Eudora for Everest password in
"Option".
>When sending outgoing mail, Eudora version 6.2.5.6
>still identifies itself the same way as if checking for new
>incoming mail (it names the POP server, rather than the SMTP server),
>but at least you would know which personality it is,
>and that personality can have only one password.
I am using Eudora version 6.2.5.6. Agree, it is asking for Everestkc password.
Why when I entered Everestkc, the error message? The next time it ask password
again (Eudora still online, it keep checking mail every one minute).
>
>If you have had such an error occur, you can go to
>"Special" | "Forget Password(s)" to make sure that Eudora
>doesn't keep trying to repeat the same (wrong) password
>to the same server.
Which server should I correct? As I said earlier, I got the error message
regardless which password I entered.
Thanks again.
Daniel Jacobson
>> And here is Eudora's own illustrated tutorial
>> about using a separate personality for outgoing mail:
>>
>> http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/tutorials/win_smtp_relay.html
>>
>> You still need to tailor the "Secure Sockets when Sending"
>> and "Use submission port (587)" settings
>> (the latter not even shown in above)
>> to what _your_ SMTP server actually requires,
>> perhaps using this as a guide:
>>
>> Setting "Port numbers" in Eudora (Windows and Macintosh)
>> http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=37616
>>
>> You also still need to mark "Use relay personality"
>> in the personality "Properties"
>> of each POP personality (including "Dominant")
>> which you want to use the "relay" personality's SMTP server
>> (did the Eudora tutorial forget to mention this?)
>>
>> Right-click any existing personality icon
>> and select "Properties" to locate that setting.
> I set up Eudora with separate personality. That is via Comcast and I "play
> around", keep trying using your website and instructions. I am only half
> successful. I managed to send out three emails to my other emails.
>
> Each time I open the Eudora, it ask for my password. I entered Comcast, than
> Everestkc and both failed. I check the "Option" it was tick "on". The error
> message read... "Via Comcast, Loggin to POP Server, PASS (11.11.11AM) There
> has been an error transferring your mail. I said PASS <shhhhh> don't tell
> anyone and than pop server <(XX...@pop3.evererstkc.net) said ERR AUTH
> Authentication failed
>
> Question... which password should I enter, Comcast or Everestkc and why both
> failed?
Try:
"I said 'PASS' and the pop server said..."
http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1444hq.html
Duplicate Email downloading
http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1598hq.html
--
Over and Out
Daniel Jacobson
John H Meyers
> Yes, it ask for Everest POP3 server.
> And I enter Everest password. I still received error message.
> I did tick off in Eudora for Everest password in "Option".
Do you mean "Save password"?
> I am using Eudora version 6.2.5.6. Agree, it is asking for Everestkc password.
> Why when I entered Everest PW, the error message?
Once a bad password is stored, Eudora keeps re-trying it
(there used to be a provision for automatic forgetting,
or conditional forgetting, based upon what the POP server might reply,
but it's possible that this caused too much unwanted password forgetting,
so nowadays Eudora might never "forget" unless you tell it to).
>> If you have had such an error occur, you can go to
>> "Special" | "Forget Password(s)" to make sure that Eudora
>> doesn't keep trying to repeat the same (wrong) password
>> to the same server.
> Which server should I [forget]?
To be thorough, both Everest and Comcast
(assuming that you still remember both passwords :)
Another point I'd like to make is how to recognize
which password is being asked for:
When a POP password is being asked for,
Eudora 6.2.5.6 will ask for "popuser@popserver,"
but when a "relay" SMTP server password is being asked for,
Eudora 6.2.5.6 will ask for "relayusername@relayPOPserver"
(even though it should be asking for "relayusername@relaySMTPserver")
If no POP server happens to be specified for the "SMTP relay" personality,
then Eudora 6.2.5.6 won't display any clue what password it's asking for
at that time, which might cause a bit of confusion.
Take a look at your "Comcast" personality's "Properties"
(right-click the Comcast icon in the "Personalities" window
and select "Properties"):
What "Server" is named in the Comcast "Incoming mail" tab?
(insert "mail.comcast.net" for good luck,
even if you are not intending to read any POP mail from Comcast),
and insert "smtp.comcast.net" in the Comcast "Generic" properties tab
(SMTP server), also make sure that the user name appearing here
is your Comcast account name (not your Everest account name),
and un-check the "Check mail" box if you don't want
to download any POP mail from Comcast.
Then "forget" all the passwords and start again;
it should now be absolutely clear which password is needed each time.
If Everest doesn't like your password when you give it to Eudora,
try going to http://mail2web.com and try to read your Everest mail;
if that also refuses, then there's a password problem at Everest,
not a Eudora problem.
--
Jim B
wrote:
Sorry, I am back (I am usually very busy during the weekend)
>> I did tick off in Eudora for Everest password in "Option".
>
>Do you mean "Save password"?
Yes
>
>> I am using Eudora version 6.2.5.6. Agree, it is asking for Everestkc password.
>
>> Why when I entered Everest PW, the error message?
>
>Once a bad password is stored, Eudora keeps re-trying it
>(there used to be a provision for automatic forgetting,
>or conditional forgetting, based upon what the POP server might reply,
>but it's possible that this caused too much unwanted password forgetting,
>so nowadays Eudora might never "forget" unless you tell it to).
When I started configuring Eudora's personality, I did entered incorrect
passwords a few times and Eudora might have extracted the incorrect passwords.
Would you recommend if I start all again?
>
>>> If you have had such an error occur, you can go to
>>> "Special" | "Forget Password(s)" to make sure that Eudora
>>> doesn't keep trying to repeat the same (wrong) password
>>> to the same server.
>
>> Which server should I [forget]?
>
>To be thorough, both Everest and Comcast
>(assuming that you still remember both passwords :)
I never remember passwords (too many), I just cut and paste. Sometimes,
I copy blank space either front or back of the passwords.
>
>Another point I'd like to make is how to recognize
>which password is being asked for:
>
>When a POP password is being asked for,
>Eudora 6.2.5.6 will ask for "popuser@popserver,"
>but when a "relay" SMTP server password is being asked for,
>Eudora 6.2.5.6 will ask for "relayusername@relayPOPserver"
>(even though it should be asking for "relayusername@relaySMTPserver")
>
>If no POP server happens to be specified for the "SMTP relay" personality,
>then Eudora 6.2.5.6 won't display any clue what password it's asking for
>at that time, which might cause a bit of confusion.
>
>Take a look at your "Comcast" personality's "Properties"
>(right-click the Comcast icon in the "Personalities" window
>and select "Properties"):
>
>What "Server" is named in the Comcast "Incoming mail" tab?
>(insert "mail.comcast.net" for good luck,
"pop3.Everestkc.net" should I insert "mail.Comcast.net"?
>even if you are not intending to read any POP mail from Comcast),
>and insert "smtp.comcast.net" in the Comcast "Generic" properties tab
>(SMTP server), also make sure that the user name appearing here
>is your Comcast account name (not your Everest account name),
>and un-check the "Check mail" box if you don't want
>to download any POP mail from Comcast.
It was never my intention to use Comcast email servers, but keeping
Everestkc as my only email server.
Set up in "Generic" Properties tab:
Real Name: XXXXX
Email Address: XX...@everestkc.net
User Name: XXXXX (Comcast User name)
STMP Server: smtp.Comcast.net
Authentication Allowed : Tick
Use relay Personality if defined: Tick
Use Submission port (587): Tick
Default Domain: Blank
Default Stationary: <No Default>
Default Signature: <No Default>
Check Mail" (Just un tick)
>Then "forget" all the passwords and start again;
>it should now be absolutely clear which password is needed each time.
Meaning, I save Eudora in a different drive. Delete and start all over, setting
personality and password and if run satisfactory, I copy my folders etc. from my
saved Eudora?
>
>If Everest doesn't like your password when you give it to Eudora,
>try going to http://mail2web.com and try to read your Everest mail;
>if that also refuses, then there's a password problem at Everest,
>not a Eudora problem.
Both Everestkc and Comcast accept my passwords at their webmail sites.
Thanks again.
Jim B
wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:35:02 -0700, Jim B <Jimm...@abcdnet.net>
>declaimed the following in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows:
>
>
>> I am using Eudora version 6.2.5.6. Agree, it is asking for Everestkc password.
>> Why when I entered Everestkc, the error message? The next time it ask password
>> again (Eudora still online, it keep checking mail every one minute).
>
> EVERY MINUTE? You might be getting rejected as an apparent DoS
>attack.
When I buy online, I like to see a confirmation immediately. Checking every
minute will tell me if everything is OK. Anyway, It was set during the ancient
days of Internet and have never taken the trouble change it.
>
> I used to use 9 minutes when I had dial-up -- my dial-provider had a
>10 minute inactivity time-out/log-off, so even if I didn't have any new
>mail the 9 minute check would reset the 10 minute timer. On DSL I'm set
>for 30 minute checks.
Jim B
> Try:
> "I said 'PASS' and the pop server said..."
> http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1444hq.html
Not applicable, type in both email's passwords still error message.
>
> Duplicate Email downloading
> http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1598hq.html
Can't understand (too long), need more time to digest it.... (tomorrow).
Thanks
John H Meyers
JHM:
>> What "Server" is named in the Comcast "Incoming mail" tab?
>> (insert "mail.comcast.net" for good luck,
JB
> "pop3.Everestkc.net"
Not a good idea.
The main point which requires separate personalities
for use with different ISPs is that no single personality
can specify connections to two different ISPs
which each require passwords.
Therefore, one personality should refer only to Everest
(but can say "use relay" for SMTP),
and a different personality should refer only to Comcast
(this one should be designated as the "relay" personality).
Each personality should then specify the User Name
and the servers for that company alone.
I would indeed insert "mail.Comcast.net" into the Comcast
personality's POP server specification, even if you don't have
a check mark in the "check mail" box for the Comcast personality,
just so that you can clearly see, whenever Eudora asks for the password
belonging to the Comcast personality, that it needs the Comcast password
(Eudora v6, as we recall, always names the POP server when asking
for a password, even if it needs the password for SMTP,
so that's why we want to make sure that we always name a POP server
belonging to the same ISP as the SMTP server in the same personality,
so that we won't reply with the wrong password).
Meanwhile, the Everest personality will take care of checking
for incoming mail from Everest. The Comcast personality
has no role in checking for incoming mail from Everest;
the Comcast personality's role is to contact only Comcast servers
(perhaps only the Comcast SMTP server, unless you also
are expecting some mail at a Comcast email address),
and the Everest personality's role is to contact only Everest servers
(but shunting outgoing mail to the relay [Comcast] personality
for actual transmission).
> It was never my intention to use Comcast email servers, but keeping
> Everestkc as my only email server.
> Set up in "Generic" Properties tab:
>
> Real Name: XXXXX
> Email Address: XX...@everestkc.net
> User Name: XXXXX (Comcast User name)
> STMP Server: smtp.Comcast.net
> Authentication Allowed : Tick
> Use relay Personality if defined: Tick
> Use Submission port (587): Tick
> Default Domain: Blank
> Default Stationary: <No Default>
> Default Signature: <No Default>
> Check Mail" (Just un tick)
Use all that for the _separate_ Comcast personality,
(the "email address" will be used only if you send mail
via that personality, so what the heck, since you don't have
any incoming mail using Comcast, you can put the Everest email address
in both personalities, as the "Email address" field
is used only to insert into "From:" headers,
and has no role when authenticating to any servers).
Also insert POP server "mail.comcast.net" into that same personality,
for the reason given above (to help clarify which password Eudora needs,
when it asks for the password for that personality).
For the Everest personality, specify the Everest email address,
the Everest POP server, the Everest user name, and "use relay"
for SMTP (in which case any further SMTP settings will be ignored,
unless you later make Everest the "relay" personality,
perhaps if you return to their territory some time,
in which case you'll need Everest's SMTP server info).
> [Should?] I save Eudora in a different drive. Delete and start all over,
> setting personality and password and if run satisfactory,
> I copy my folders etc. from my saved Eudora?
If you are asking what I interpreted above, there is no need.
All you need is to have two separate personalities defined;
one (probably "Dominant") with everything for Everest only,
the other with everything for "Comcast" only,
and with these separate personalities being "linked,"
as it were, by telling the Everest personality to "use relay"
for SMTP, and designating Comcast as that "relay" personality
in the middle of the main "Sending Mail" option screen.
That's all there is to it -- keep the personalities separate,
don't mix two internet companies' info in any single personality,
and "link" them so that when one of them sends mail,
it will log into the other's outgoing server,
by borrowing all its SMTP-related info, in place of its own.
> Both Everestkc and Comcast accept my passwords at their webmail sites.
That's a relief :)
So it should all work next time, then!
--
John H Meyers
[re: checking mail every minute]
> When I buy online, I like to see a confirmation immediately.
> Checking every minute will tell me if everything is OK.
As would checking just once, by clicking the "check mail" button,
one or two minutes after placing an order :)
When one leaves no mail on the POP server after downloding it,
the overhead for doing a mail check is minor, but when one
leaves accumulated mail on the POP server, each new
"check mail" request burdens the POP server, also burdens
the network (via increased traffic to list all messages,
actually to list them twice per mail check),
and finally burdens one's own POP client,
in that the complete list of all messages on the server
must then be compared to the client's complete list
of messages it has previously downloaded and saved
(the latter may in some cases generate work
proportional to the product of the number of messages
in each list, which can become overwhelming
if each involves thousands of messages, for example).
Many ISPs (including us) are not happy with customers
who check mail too frequently, because email is not meant
to replace Instant Messaging, and we don't want to have to buy
a bigger and more powerful server, or else suffer degradation
of performance, just because of being hammered away at, uselessly
and unnecessarily, by such impatient users -- think of it
as being comparable, for example, to having a car full of kids,
each interrupting you every minute to ask "Are we there yet?" :)
--
Jim B
wrote:
I appreciate your explanation, why subscribers should *NOT* check their mail
every minute. I did not know what I am doing overburdens the email servers.
Occasionally I check my email unless, I am expecting an email or buying
something online. Thanks for you for the explanation.
Jim B
wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:20:23 -0500, Jim B wrote:
>
>JHM:
>>> What "Server" is named in the Comcast "Incoming mail" tab?
>>> (insert "mail.comcast.net" for good luck,
>
>JB
>> "pop3.Everestkc.net"
>
>Not a good idea.
OK I will change it.
>
>The main point which requires separate personalities
>for use with different ISPs is that no single personality
>can specify connections to two different ISPs
>which each require passwords.
Right now I have two personalities: <Dominant> and <Via Comcast>,
Is it possible with the two personalities, and Eudora "remembers" both
passwords, without the need to enter each password every time when you checking
mail (Everestkc) or send an email (Comcast)?
Your explanation below, require closer reading and I will return later after
digesting it and test it out....
John H Meyers
> Is it possible with the two personalities,
> that Eudora "remembers" both passwords,
> without the need to enter each password every time
> when you're checking mail (Everestkc) or send an email (Comcast)?
Version 6 has a "Save password" check-box in "Checking Mail" options,
and since there's only one such box for that entire application version,
I'd expect it to apply to all passwords, although you can "forget"
passwords individually.
Version 7.1 presents a "save password" check box
with each individual request for a password,
offering finer control over which passwords to save initially.
Versions 6 and 7 both identify the POP server name (if filled in),
even when asking for an SMTP password, so the issue of making sure
to fill in a POP server name belonging to the same ISP,
even for an "SMTP relay personality," is still a valuable means
of making sure that you always understand which ISP is involved
each time that Eudora asks for a password (version 7 has at least
added the name of the personality to the password dialog box,
but a confusing POP server name might still throw a hound
off the scent, if its nose is a little tired :)
--
Jim B
wrote:
Hi John,
>Take a look at your "Comcast" personality's "Properties"
>(right-click the Comcast icon in the "Personalities" window
>and select "Properties"):
>
>What "Server" is named in the Comcast "Incoming mail" tab?
>(insert "mail.comcast.net" for good luck,
My previous replied I said "stmp.comcast.net"
So I changed it to "mail.comcast.net".
Well, it will not sent the "test" mail to my other mailbox. I changed
back to "stmp.comcast.net" and the mail went out.
>even if you are not intending to read any POP mail from Comcast),
>and insert "smtp.comcast.net" in the Comcast "Generic" properties tab
>(SMTP server), also make sure that the user name appearing here
>is your Comcast account name (not your Everest account name),
>and un-check the "Check mail" box if you don't want
>to download any POP mail from Comcast.
I uncheck the "check mail" go to "special" =>"Forget password(s)
This action removed all passwords. When I prepare an email. a gray arrow
appeared on the top left side of screen. I pick via Comcast. When I "send"
a screen asking for my Comcast password. I entered my Comcast password..
whooooo it went out. After further testing... I think I got it, Now I will
configure my other two Eudora same as what I did.
Thanks again you have a great help and I appreciate it. Any problems if I
replace my Win98SE to either Win XP PRO full OEM or Windows Vista Ultimate?
Jim B
wrote:
>> >What "Server" is named in the Comcast "Incoming mail" tab?
>> >(insert "mail.comcast.net" for good luck,
>>
>> My previous replied I said "stmp.comcast.net"
>> So I changed it to "mail.comcast.net".
>> Well, it will not sent the "test" mail to my other mailbox. I changed
>> back to "stmp.comcast.net" and the mail went out.
>>
> I'd be very surprised... the protocol is "smtp", not "stmp"
I am not always that careful, sometime I type "stmp", "stnp" and
that's why I encounter so much problems.
>
> Furthermore, SMTP is used for OUTGOING mail, and the prior
>respondent asked you for the contents of your INCOMING server (the POP3
>server)
Incoming "pop3.everestkc.net"
John H Meyers
> Incoming "pop3.everestkc.net"
THAT was the one (only in the COMCAST personality)
which it was suggested to replace with "mail.comcast.net"
(so that there would be no confusion any time Eudora
asks you for the password for sending mail via Comcast)
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