I have to replace Eudora, but with which email client?

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

Hi friends,
unfortunatelyI think the time has come to replace Eudora 7.1 with
another more modern email client. I love Eudora but I get problems.
I have problems with the Check. I would not want to lose all the
messages I have and they are very many with many accounts.
Can you recommend a good and modern email client?
Thanks

[DaveH2]

Pandora is designed specifically to be as much like Eudora as possible, and is kept up to date with modern formats and protocols.
It will also import all the information form Eudora, messages and contacts.
It's not free (although pretty cheap), but there is a free version you can use to try it out.
https://pandoramail.com/

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

>https://pandoramail.com/

Thanks for you news. If I remember well, you need to install an old
version of Pandora if you want to import the messages from Eudora to
Pandora. Is it right?

[DaveH2]

Not as far as I know, all versions should import.
I don't use it so I can't really comment on it.
One way to find out, download it and try it!

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

I have only one problem with Eudora. When Eudora checks messages
automatically many account I see many page like it that I attach.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ilp668ufemxom5/CatturaEudora.JPG?dl=0
But if I check messages manually, Eudora works fine.
In your opinion can I solve this problem?

[DaveH2]

I'm not sure why there would be any difference between an automatic check and a manual check.
Presumably you've tried just saying yes to trusting the certificate in future sessions?

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

>It asks if you want to trust this certificate in the future. Since you
>continue to get mail at these locations, maybe click YES?

OK, but I have always to click on "yes" on all my accounts every time
I turn on the computer. Then I have no problems anymore. But when the
computer goes also into hibernation I have always to click on "yes",
because I don't work with my computer for 30 minutes.
I don't know what I can do to solve this problem.

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

>Presumably you've tried just saying yes to trusting the certificate in future sessions?

I always clkick on yes, but the next time I get the same problem.
U use Eudora in a noteboo and in a PC but I get the same problem with
both. It seems incredible. May be the problem is I have 25 account.
In your opinion could be it the problem?

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

>Regrets, I've been using Pandora for something like three years now,
>and don't actually recall how to access the certificate chain (I did just
>start Eudora, but it fetched mail with no problem, and the "last ssl info"
>button on the personality configuration is just stating "no ssl
>performed"...)

Unfortunately myEudora has a good config. with HermSSL.
Anyway it is configures in an automatic Check when I open Eudora.
I do't have any "skull" icon and I saved the passwords ... if I
understand you well. I don't know if I have to config. Eudora in
Tools/Options.

Out of curiosity: the latest Pandora version can import accounts,
messages, mailboxes, filters, etc. etc.
Thank you for some info.

[DaveH2]

Did you say that you never see the certificate error if you check mail manually on the accounts?
Does any mail download when you see the error?
It's probably only one account that has the problem.

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

My problem is very strange because I never got this problem.

>Did you say that you never see the certificate error if you check mail manually on the accounts?

Yes, if I check email clicking manually on every account, I don't see
any problem. Every account works fine.

>Does any mail download when you see the error?

No, Eudora Eudora remains blocked and does not download emails until I
click "YES" on each certificate.

>It's probably only one account that has the problem.

I don't know because very account works fine if I check manually
emails.

[DaveH2]

Is "Check Mail" checked on the properties of every account?
If so try removing them all and then adding them back one by one.
If they all cause the error then we need to look elsewhere, but at least that will eliminate whether there are a particular account or accounts causing the problem.

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

>Is "Check Mail" checked on the properties of every account?
>If so try removing them all and then adding them back one by one.
>If they all cause the error then we need to look elsewhere, but at least that will eliminate whether there are a particular account or accounts causing the problem.

Yes, "Check Mail" is checked on every account.
I have unchecked all them and then checked again. But I get the same
problem.

[DaveH2]

That is very strange, as if all the "Check Mail" options are unchecked, it shouldn't be doing any checking of course!
Looking again at the screen shot of the error message, that doesn't actually look like a message from Eudora.
I wonder if it's coming from something else. Do you have any security software installed? If so, try disabling it temporarily and see if that makes any difference.

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

>That is very strange, as if all the "Check Mail" options are unchecked, it shouldn't be doing any checking of course!
>Looking again at the screen shot of the error message,

I have to correct myself:
when Eudora gets stucks on Accounts, if I click "Yes", everything is
fine and mails are downloaded with manual check. But even when and if
I click "YES", I am noticing a strange thing, in fact I have a bad
certificate. In fact, if I go to "Certificate information manager", I
have to manually add it to the secure certificates. But I repeat: even
if I don't do this, it's okay if I do the manual check.
I attach the pics.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yytkmd3qmyibpk/CatturaEuddora%201.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vw818i5vr9zn13n/CatturaEudora%202.JPG?dl=0

[DaveH2]

Are those two screenshots showing a connection to the same account?
They appear to both be pop3.live.com, but are using different IP addresses.

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yytkmd3qmyibpk/CatturaEuddora%201.JPG?dl=0
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vw818i5vr9zn13n/CatturaEudora%202.JPG?dl=0
>Are those two screenshots showing a connection to the same account?
>They appear to both be pop3.live.com, but are using different IP addresses.

It always refers to the same "hotmail.com" account. Even now Eudora
blocks due to the certificate error, but then when I go to check in
Account Settings / Incoming mail / Last SS Info, I see that everything
is fine. I can also delete that account, it's not important for me,
but what I don't understand is, why do I have to click "YES" on all
the other certificates as well?

[DaveH2]

Perhaps it's a system certificate failure, which is affecting everything.
Have you tried installing it to the system as well as trusting it in Eudora?

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

I'm doing more and more careful tests.
The problem with automatic check is with all accounts. I get the
certificate problem with every account. But even if I don't click
"Yes" and do the manual check, then Eudora is able to download the
mail normally (even if on "Last SSL Info" there is the skull, Eudora
is enabled to download mail normally, if I do the manual check, the
skull automatically disappears). But if I don't click "Yes" at first,
everything is blocked.

>Perhaps it's a system certificate failure, which is affecting everything.
>Have you tried installing it to the system as well as trusting it in Eudora?

I don't understand well what I have to do. Maybe HermSSL is not
working well? But I have the same problema with both computers.

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

I FINALLY DISCOVERED THE PROBLEM: it is BitDefender that created those
certificate problems on Eubora. In recent days I had tried to disable
it but maybe it was working in the background. Now I don't load
BitDefender anymore when I turn on the computer and Eudora works
fine. All this seems incredible to me. In fact I had configured
BitDefender correctly. On BitDefender there is the Option to check
emails "in and out" and I had removed the flag (disabled). But
evidently BitDefender was working on Eudora.
At this point I think I should change the AV or call the BitDefender
help desk to be able to configure BitDefender better.

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

SOLUTION:
the help desk told me to uncheck the box: disable encrypted web
scanning.
Now Eudora seems to be working fine.
Anyway THANKS for your availability.

[DaveH2]

Very pleased that you found the cause!
I did have a suspicion that the problem wasn't actually in Eudora, as all of your 25 accounts being affected the same made no sense as Hermes was apparently working fine to make the TLS v1.2 connections.
I hope it now keeps working!
Cheers, Dave.

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

I write again only to conffirm now Eudora works very well.
In your opinion, disabling that encrypted web
scanning, I will get some safety issues?
Thank you!

[DaveH2]

I really don't know, but frankly if switching it off enables Eudora to work properly, and you still want to carry on using Eudora, leave it switched off!
I would very much doubt that it would open up a big security hole in your system, it's very common for some facilities on security software to cause issues with some other software and have to be disabled. I really wouldn't worry about it.

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

I would just like to inform you that a very strange thing has just
happened to me.
Eudora hasn't downloaded one message that is in my account on the web.
It is not in a Junk folder.
I had to go online to be able to read mymessage that Eudora didn't
download.
The same email was sent to ....@gmail.com and ....@tin.it
I didn't get both.
Such a thing had never happened to me.

[DaveH2]

I've never had that happen to me either, but I have heard of it happening occasionally to other people.
Unfortunately I don't think the cause was ever determined.
I would think it's possible that the message won't work with the POP message retrieval system for some reason (assuming that's what you're using) rather than an actual problem in Eudora. No other POP e-mail client would retrieve it either if that were the case.
Is there anything odd at all about the message? Is it just plain text or does it contain HTML and/or embedded images?

[ijo...@jejejeje.it]

>Is there anything odd at all about the message? Is it just plain text or does it contain HTML and/or embedded images?

It's a message youtube sent me. Nothing in particular. But the
strangest thing is that the other Eudora I have in another laptop
managed to download it. It is incredible but true.

[DaveH2]

That is strange, I've had loads of e-mails from YouTube over the years, and they've always been delivered fine.
We'll probably never know, but it could have been something with had nothing to do with Eudora at all.

[Pamela]

On 17:14 4 Nov 2021, Dennis Lee Bieber said:

> On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 17:39:59 +0100, ijo...@jejejeje.it declaimed the
> following:
>
>>>https://pandoramail.com/

>>
>>Thanks for you news. If I remember well, you need to install an old
>>version of Pandora if you want to import the messages from Eudora to
>>Pandora. Is it right?
>

> Not that I recall.
>
> BUT...
>
> You will need a PAID version to import more than one
> personality, one
> signature, etc.
>
> The "Importing Witch" (apparently the author doesn't like
> wizards)
> allows for
> accounts
> contacts
> filters
> labels
> messages
> (though only one at a time, meaning you'll need five passes --
> biggest confusion is that [I just started the "witch"] it wants UAC
> privileges, and that means it defaults to your admin account when
> selecting the mail program -- choice of Eudora, Outlook, Thunderbird,
> Windows Live [Outlook Express, Windows Mail, and Unix Mailboxes are
> ghosted/disabled] -- I didn't go further to see if I can change it to
> import from my user account; of course, one could use the admin
> account to change the user account to admin, do the imports, then
> revoke admin from user <G> )

The names of my Eudora 7.1 mailboxes and folders have special
characters. Would they get corrupted in an automatic port to Pandora?

I vaguely recall hitting a problem like this years ago. It may have
been from an earlier version of Eudora to a later version - or
something like that. Anyway it didn't go entirely smoothly and I recall
some names gave trouble.

Does a migration to Pandora go smoother than that?

[Nick Werner-Matavka]

On Thursday, 4 November 2021 at 07:08:02 UTC-4, ijo...@jejejeje.it wrote:
> Hi friends,
> unfortunatelyI think the time has come to replace Eudora 7.1 with
> another more modern email client. I love Eudora but I get problems.
> I have problems with the Check. I would not want to lose all the
> messages I have and they are very many with many accounts.
> Can you recommend a good and modern email client?
> Thanks

Why don't you try HERMES Mail? We have a real continuation of Eudora for Windows running on a modern PC; if you have been following our story, we have had to change the name but we are running the historic Eudora 7.1 code base, improved to work with Unicode and modern OpenSSL. This is not a re-creation, but a real revival of QUALCOMM Eudora.

We did a few little fundraisers before Covid hit, and that bought us time to get running, but until now our finances have been essentially a blank slate. The software is now, for all intents and purposes, complete. This time, we have a FIRM commitment to release to our testers on 1 AUGUST of THIS YEAR!

As proof positive that we have a product to release, please see our screenshots: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aLvQTdHW3x01RJG52oPaw-ujni09XyhC/view?usp=sharing and https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vmTxCRbEPdhAPOHJzMrZ5ovtimvDkEFB/view?usp=sharing

If you wish to become a tester and be among the first to get access to this product, please chip in here: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/hermes-mail-8-0-the-final-stretch#/ Throw in a dollar, ten, or a hundred; any amount will get you access when we release in August.

In view of our proven success in this area (albeit delayed), we're aiming for five thousand Canadian dollars this time. That'll allow us to continue developing the Windows version (which will also run on Linux), and begin development on HERMES Mail for Mac.

[Techi Zino]

25dollarsupport.com can help you migrate from Eudora to Mozilla thunderbird or any other email clients

[Techi Zino]

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 12:57:00 PM UTC+5:30, n.theodore.m...@gmail.com wrote:

[Magus Tools]

On Thursday, 4 November 2021 at 16:38:02 UTC+5:30, ijo...@jejejeje.it wrote:
> Hi friends,
> unfortunatelyI think the time has come to replace Eudora 7.1 with
> another more modern email client. I love Eudora but I get problems.
> I have problems with the Check. I would not want to lose all the
> messages I have and they are very many with many accounts.
> Can you recommend a good and modern email client?
> Thanks

In my opinion, you should migrate from Eudora to MS Outlook. It is easy, updated, feature rich and easily available for everyone. Supports multiple file types and it is extremely simple to migrate Eudora to MS Outlook. You only need a reliable tool to read Eudora mailboxes and one such solution is https://www.magustools.com/mbox-conversion/pst.php

[pyotr filipivich]

Magus Tools <sup...@magustools.com> on Wed, 5 Oct 2022 02:39:21 -0700
(PDT) typed in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows the following:

Question: is MS Outlook on my computer, storing my files "here"?
Or is my email being stored on Microsoft's computer?
--
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

[pyotr filipivich]

Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf...@ix.netcom.com> on Wed, 05 Oct 2022 14:20:25
-0400 typed in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows the following:
>On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 02:39:21 -0700 (PDT), Magus Tools
><sup...@magustools.com> declaimed the following:

> Pandora http://www.drivehq.com/web/brana/pandora.htm (small cost for
>major upgrades and initial version if one wants to unlock all features --
>demo only supports one personality/server) is a work-alike for Eudora
>(there are some minor things that behave differently).
>
> It has capability to directly import personalities, mailboxes, etc.
>from Eudora -- no conversion tool required.
>
>
> My experience with Outlook is that it is focused on corporate mail
>structure, wherein replies use top-posting, with quoted material treated as
>a "courtesy copy". I don't think I ever managed to get it to work with
>interspersed and/or bottom posting, which is most common for general email.

Thanks.

I may migrate - some day. But for now, Eudora works.

[Carles M.]

What do you think about the new Eudora 8.0.0 beta-9 announced at https://eudora.en.softonic.com/
Did anyone do a test?

El dia dijous, 6 d’octubre de 2022 a les 17:18:13 UTC+2, pyotr filipivich va escriure:

[Carles M.]

Eudora 8 is a fake. It's just the same Thunderbird that has been redressed with Eudora clothes. Nothing new.

El dia divendres, 28 d’octubre de 2022 a les 21:15:24 UTC+2, Carles M. va escriure:

[Techi Zino]

just go for Mozilla Thunderbird and 25dollarsupport.com can help you migrate from Eudora to Mozilla Thunderbird

[Dean Calvert]

Sorry but I think Mozilla Thunderbird is the WORST idea i've seen here.

Used it for about a month and got tired of waiting for it all the time.

It's a major STEP BACKWARD from Eudora, as far as I'm concerned.

I've switched to Mailbird, but still can't say I'm completely happy. The searching functions are very limited.

I was just thinking this morning that I'd switch back to Eudora in a second, if that choice was available (which I know isn't) so i decided to check out the latest "buzz" on replacements.

[Mutley]

I went thru the same excersize about 5 years ago. Finally bit the
bullet and bought a Office 365 personal license and shared with the
wife and now use Outlook 365. It works well for me as I use 4
outlook.com and hotmail accounts for work and home.

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

I've used Outlook in the past and it is the biggest piece of... let's just say it's not for me. ;)

Mostly it's problem is being Microsoft, they want to own you, and never really tell you what they are doing. Eudora may be a piece of crap as well, but it's *my* piece of crap that I *know* and love... well love/hate.

I really am ready for an update. Something has happened over the last year that many emails won't really show. I have to open them in the browser. The weird thing is, I thought it was new emails that use modern HTML features, but even older emails that used to display in Eudora have to be opened in the browser as if Eudora took at step backwards.

Anyone know the current status of Hermes? I've been tired of waiting for a couple of years now. Mostly it bugs me that there isn't more reporting of what needs to be done and where the project is currently. Sometimes I wonder if Hermes is about anything more than beer money. Anyone seen a real sign of life? Above, Theodore said they would be shipping to "testers" in August. I think we are past that point, no?

> > This time, we have a FIRM commitment to release to our testers on 1 AUGUST of THIS YEAR!

My real problem is, I have no way to test a new tool, without risking the continuity of my email archives. I guess I would need to set up something where I continue to use Eudora as usual, and run Hermes without deleting any email from the server. So Hermes could read all my email all the time, then I run Eudora once in a while to download the emails and remove them from the server. Or I could do it the other way around and send my replies from Hermes. Either way, very messy.

--

Rick C.

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[Hi Lo]

If you really like Eudora 7.1 (I've been using it since the early 90s) There are new files that you can use to update it to modern security features. Google "Hermes Project" and download the .zip file from Sourceforge, follow the instructions and Voila. Your Eudora is good for at least a couple more years.

[Barbara Lewandowska]

Hello Dave, I see your post is from a couple of years ago, but seems you went through the same problem I encountered right now.

I am another "die hard" eudora user, and have the TLS v1.2 connection problem - can't connect to the server. I tried to copy Herm SSL files but it didn't work for me. Could you post any tips? May be I am missing something.
Thanks in advance!!!

[DaveH2]

Hi Barbara, sorry for the delay in replying.
How did you apply the Hermes update, did you use the full installer or the zip file which just contains the updated files?
If the latter, as you seem to be saying, you should have replaced the libeay32.dll, QCSSL.dll, ssleay32.dll, and rootcerts.p7b files in the Eudora program files folder with the versions in the zip file. Did you also extract the vcredist.exe file and run it? It contains a system update which you may need. If you just get an error message when you run it, just close it. It means that the update is already installed.
HTH. Dave.

[Barbara Lewandowska]

Hi Dave,
Thank you for your reply!
I extracted the files and run the vcredist, but it says it's already installed on my computer, and that I should uninstall the existing one first. I am not sure if it's needed.
I copied the files you listed above into the eudora folder, and still does not work.
I will contact my hosting company again tomorrow, but they were no help last three times I called them (they don't even understand why would anyone want to keep their mail client/program). Basically, I think it has to do with SSL/TLS connection authentication, as the TLS1.2 is the new current one?
I know it's too hard for you to guess what's wrong with someone's set up, but the conflict came upon me so suddenly, I am still in shock and don't know where to turn.
Thanks again, Barbara.

[DaveH2]

Just to confirm, you do have 'Required, Alternate Port' selected in 'Secure Sockets' for send and receive on the persona you're using?
What happens if you click the 'Last SSL Info' button after trying to receive or send? Does it say there was a connection made, and if there was, what was the SSL version used?

[Barbara Lewandowska]

I didn't have "required, Alternate port" checked, but it doesn't work either. The last SSL is blank. It says "I have never done any SSL negotiation with any personality since last time I started Eudora" This box used to be grayed out (sort of) but after I started changing the files from Hermes, I must have wiped it out.
Barbara

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

Rather than just saying, "it doesn't work", it can be important to provide the details of the error message, sometimes...

One time I moved my domain to a new hosting provider and they gave conflicting information on how to set up the email accounts in Eudora. They actually gave zero advice for Eudora, but generically, they told me how to set up for SMTP3 or whatever the protocol is that isn't IMAP. The bottom line was, I kept focusing on the meaning of the rather generic error message, when the real problem was, the password was wrong. I think someone here suggested that I have Eudora forget the password for this account, which would prompt for a new one on the next email access. Sure enough, that did the trick and I was back on the air.

In the menus, Special, Forget Passwords. It's a bit like falling back to defragging your hard drive, but it's easy enough to try.

--

Rick C.

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[Barbara Lewandowska]

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 1:19:33 PM UTC-4, DaveH2 wrote:

CORRECTION
I CHANGED THE PORTS SELECTION PER YOUR ADVICE ABOVE AND IT WORKED!!!
Customer service at my my hosting company -- they had absolutely no clue, and drove me crazy. I am so glad I found this post/conversation, and am so grateful that you actually replied with instructions. It literally saved my life. I am not sure if anyone understands how big of a deal it was for me. Thank you so much for your help!
Barbara

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

Many of us have been through this or something similar. Once you get to like a program like Eudora, you don't want to give it up.

I'm glad it's working for you again. :)

[DaveH2]

Yes, I'm so glad to hear that Barbara!
Hopefully Eudora will continue to work for you now.
Cheers, Dave.

[Barbara Lewandowska]

I am so glad I found this conversation, and nice people willing to help. Thank you again.
Cheers!
Barbara