Eudora open-sourced, C++ programmers desperately needed, let's get our favourite mail client up to date!

[n.theodore.m...@gmail.com]

Hi all,

As you may know, the source code for our dearly beloved Qualcomm
Eudora eMail client was released under an open-source licence just a
week ago! As a big Eudora fan, I have taken the project under my
wing. I am looking for programmers to help out with resuming
development; accordingly, I have begun a project under the name Hermes
Messenger (https://sourceforge.net/projects/hermesmail/).

To do:

Globally replace string "Qualcomm Eudora" with "Hermes Messenger"
(legal reasons)
Update rich-text rendering engine; if possible, scrap and replace
with (modified?) Gecko or WebKit
Improve Unicode handling
Replace defunct Qualcomm Web search with Google or Yandex
An installer compatible with Windows Vista and better
out-of-the-box (NSIS might turn the trick?)
Cross-platform rebuild (C#/Avalonia perhaps?)
Figure out a replacement for RogueWave Stingray (MUST DO!)
Internationalisation and localisation
Do something with those god damn certificates!

Stingray (a MAJOR dependency) is not yet included in the source tree,
but discussions aimed at obtaining it(either as source or binary) are
under way. It WILL be included in the near future, but "writing around
it" (i.e. coding a replacement) IS A PRIORITY. The code is 20 years
old, legally encumbered, and will not compile on a modern system.

Applicants absolutely must be proficient in C++ and should understand
how to use the Hg source-management system. The latter is not a strict
requirement (instruction in Hg use will be given if needed) but
foreknowledge would be greatly appreciated. A basic understanding of
SQL is desirable as well.

Cordially,

Nick Werner-Matavka

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

Any idea how many Eudora users there still are? Just curious.

Rick C.

[Steve Urbach]

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 16:08:12 -0700 (PDT), gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:


>
>Any idea how many Eudora users there still are? Just curious.
>
>Rick C.

Me :D
Paid to current (7) since 2.0

[n.theodore.m...@gmail.com]

There's a shit-ton of them, actually. There's a Eudora listserv at
eudor...@hades.listmoms.net (you can join it by sending a message to
join-eu...@hades.listmoms.net with the word "Gazelle" in the
subject line).

[Thibaud Taudin Chabot]

Op 1-6-2018 om 17:18 schreef n.theodore.m...@gmail.com:

https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/05/22/1510151/0/en/Computer-History-Museum-Makes-the-Eudora-Email-Client-Source-Code-Available-to-the-Public.html

[Thibaud Taudin Chabot]

Op 1-6-2018 om 17:18 schreef n.theodore.m...@gmail.com:

"The Computer History Museum has started a survey to determine if there's
enough interest in bringing Eudora back.


If you answer in the affirmative, do take the survey now, and let others
know as well."


https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/eudora-poll1

[Mutley]

My M-in-law still uses 7.0 paid but I gave up a couple of years ago
and went to Office 365..

It was a great email client in it's day. May have another look at it
if there is an update to the code..

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

Just curious, what did you find lacking?

For me, the only issues I have are a few problems with viewing emails and the problems with getting it to work with new ISPs, mostly they don't want to be bothered with getting "obsolete" software to work with their stuff.

Rick C.

[Larc]

On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 22:55:10 -0700 (PDT), gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

| Just curious, what did you find lacking?
|
| For me, the only issues I have are a few problems with viewing emails and the problems with getting it to work with new ISPs, mostly they don't want to be bothered with getting
| "obsolete" software to work with their stuff.

I have replied to email using Eudora a few times when the recipent sees only a blank
message section.

Larc

[gnuarm.del...@gmail.com]

That might have something to do with using HTML in messages. I know I see funny things sometimes in viewing messages where HTML settings persist from one section to the next. I don't think Eudora handles HTML as well as newer programs.

Rick C.

[Mutley]

No calendar integration mainly. Outlook.com and Outlook 365 client
now suite me better.

[Ajo Wissink]

On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 15:32:05 +0000, Jim H <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 10:07:16 -0400, in
><rq2lhdpdq9crgnof0...@4ax.com>, Dennis Lee Bieber
><wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 20:08:05 +0000, Jim H <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>>declaimed the following:
>>
>>
>>>> Pandora seems to be the closest thing to a Eudora look-alike currently
>>>>available, though of course it is still under development (while is
>>>>supports the <ctrl-j> JUNK command, it does not have its own trainable junk
>>>>logic, and only looks for ISP provided SPAM scores).
>>>
>>>
>>>Why do you say Pandora is still under development? There hasn't been
>>>any visible progress that I can see since 2014. Is there perhaps a
>>>website with more current info than the one at the link above?
>>
>> I've had about 6 updates to the program since I paid to unlock the "one
>>personality, one signature, one filter..." demo mode... And that is only
>>since this March. (my archive shows I submitted a bug report on March 3 for
>>version 1.7.1.1, a feature request on March 21 for v1.7.2.1, and v1.7.6.1
>>came out a few weeks ago)
>>
>> Don't go by the 2014 copyright on the release notes... I suspect he
>>never updates the original date. Unfortunately, the original forum site is
>>defunct (looks like I'll need to sign up again on the new site), so one can
>>not look at the list of releases there.
>
>
>And the "new site" is where?
>
>I don't find anything at all interesting by Googling "Pandora email"
>and various other terms I'd expect to produce useful results.

Brana sent the following email message:

*************************************************

We are glad to announce Pandora forum is back online and now hosted by
Forumotion:
http://pandoramail.forumotion.me/t1-welcome-to-pandora-forum-again

As old domain was abruptly "parked" (it's for sale now, rather than
off for good; it may re-emerge with the same content), re-registration
on the new site is necessary. If old site re-emerges, relevant content
will be merged with the new forum. Hopefully this one will last.

Best Regards,

Brana

**************************************************

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Ajo Wissink

[micky]

In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Sun, 03 Jun 2018 02:23:53 -0400, Larc

<la...@notmyaddress.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 22:55:10 -0700 (PDT), gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>| Just curious, what did you find lacking?
>|
>| For me, the only issues I have are a few problems with viewing emails and the problems with getting it to work with new ISPs, mostly they don't want to be bothered with getting
>| "obsolete" software to work with their stuff.

The secret to that problem is never mention Eudora when dealing with
customer service. To rephrase questions in terms they are used to.

I've been doing that since 8 years before Eudora was no longer
maintained.

But since the web has become popular, POP settings are almost always
given on the web for any ISP I've dealt with, so I see the settings
there and that takes care fo things.

>
>I have replied to email using Eudora a few times when the recipent sees only a blank
>message section.

Did you see the email before you sent it. Was it blank then? Were you
using version the latest version, 7.1?

>Larc

[micky]

In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Sun, 03 Jun 2018 18:26:44 +0100, Tim
Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

>In article <k288hd9am4ol4tbd5...@4ax.com>, Jim H
><inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Huh? Eudora works with both POP and IMAP. It does SSL/TLS. What more
>>is there?
>
>More recent levels of SSL/TLS. I expect what Eudora implements is
>obsolete.

Not true. It works fine with the most recent levels.

Somweone is spreading the story you've repeated but it's not true.

>>The setup problem you describe sounds like nothing more than your own
>>inability to enter the correct server, ID and password info needed to
>>set up Eudora to work with a new email provider.
>
>I never figured out what the personalities stuff was supposed to be
>about. In my client I just enter different accounts with different ISP
>details. Simples.

So you do understand personalities after all.

It's pretty clear to me that the first version of Eudora only envisioned
a person having one account, and the other accounts were added later --
I'll grant you that -- and the dominant account gets a tiny bit more
priority wrt implementation, although mostly this is relevant to people
with OCD who decide an account they got later is more important than the
one they got first and who are annoyed that the later one is not called
the dominant one. (On a scale of 1 to 20 this describes me at a 1 or
2 level, and I could redo things to make my important account the
dominent one but I'm too lazy.)

[micky]

In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Wed, 01 Aug 2018 22:28:33 +0100, Tim
Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

>In article <0hb3md13og3hme5mp...@4ax.com>, Dennis Lee
>Bieber <wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 08:45:09 +0100, Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net>
>>declaimed the following:
>
>>>Then they should have been called, or later renamed, accounts.
>>
>> Except they ALSO include custom settings for signatures and stationery,
>>which are not things specific to ISP login "accounts".
>
>None of this is particularly profound and I've implemented quite a lot
>of it in my email client.

Non sequitur.

His point was not that Eudora was better than your client, or even as
good, or that it had more features, but that there were reasons to call
them personalities and not, for example, accounts. Besides the two
lines you quoted, he gave other reasons too.

[edp...@gmail.com]

Hi Nick,
I am a passionate user of Eudora.
I am not a programmer , I am an electronics engineer.
I collect email messages since day 1 when I started using Eudora over 20 years ago.
Now I have about 7 million emails in 475 mailboxes.
Over the years I developed a set of Eudora filters.
It works incredibly well.
I maintain it daily to keep up with spammers.
I hate them with a passion and I keep every one of them to test my new filters.
Before I discovered what you are doing I had an idea of setting up a crowdfunding the development of new Eudora with contributors having lifetime access to my filters.
Others might become members for a small fee.
Please give it some thought.
Perhaps I could collect enough to support my retirement. I am 74.

[Rick C]

Nice idea, but Eudora has a pretty good spam filter built in. Also, something I do is to forward my email through Google who also has a pretty good spam filter. Use them together and I barely see two spams a day...

At least until someone starts a new spam campaign. A few months ago that was happening and I was seeing a dozen or more spams a day. I actually tried using the "unsubscribe" link and you know what? It worked!!! For a while. Then someone new would get the spam list and I'd start getting a few a day from them, unsubscribe and they'd go away. Eventually that quieted down. That was through an account that isn't routed through Google. Need to fix that.

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Rick C.

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