How can I extract embedded photos?

[MaryL]

Most people send photos as attachments when they send photos to me. Those
are easy to use. However, photos from a couple of people always arrive
embedded in the messages. Is there any way I can use those photos in other
programs, especially photo programs like Thumbs Plus? If I right click and
select "copy" in Eudora, I can copy the photos to a new Eudora message but
not to any other program and not even to the desktop. My cousin sent some
old family photos, and I would like to save these to my photo "albums" on my
computer. Is there any way I can do this? Unlike attachments, there is no
extension (like *.jpg or *.jpeg) when I try to copy these embedded photos.

I am using Eudora 7.1.0.9 (paid mode) and Windows 7. I would need very
*simple* instructions if it is possible to extract these photos.

Thanks,
MaryL

[MaryL]

"Dennis Lee Bieber" wrote in message
news:mcste8pvel3rhdsaf...@invalid.netcom.com...

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:28:33 -0600, "MaryL"
<stan...@invalid.yahoo.com> declaimed the following in
comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows:

>
> I am using Eudora 7.1.0.9 (paid mode) and Windows 7. I would need very
> *simple* instructions if it is possible to extract these photos.
>

What's to extract? <G>

Track down where your installation's "embedded" directory is located
(my WinXP install has it:

C:\Documents and Settings\Wulfraed\Application
Data\Qualcomm\Eudora\Embedded

-- thanks for reminding me, it was time to clean it out from SPAM;
unlike attachments which are deleted when you delete the message, the
Embedded directory doesn't get cleaned)

All the Embedded images should be available there (though the file
names may be garbage).

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wlf...@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks! I did not know that there was an actual embedded file I could use
in this way. I am using Win 7, so I found it by clicking on the path inside
Help>About Eudora. Just as you described, there is a lot of junk in there
that was not cleared when I deleted messages (unlike attachments). Am I
correct in assuming that I can clean the embedded file simply by deleting
images (as long as I do not want to keep that message on file)?

MaryL

[JJ]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:48:21 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:38:10 -0600, "MaryL"

><stan...@invalid.yahoo.com> declaimed the following in
>comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows:
>

>> Thanks! I did not know that there was an actual embedded file I could use
>> in this way. I am using Win 7, so I found it by clicking on the path inside
>> Help>About Eudora. Just as you described, there is a lot of junk in there
>> that was not cleared when I deleted messages (unlike attachments). Am I
>> correct in assuming that I can clean the embedded file simply by deleting
>> images (as long as I do not want to keep that message on file)?
>

> The worst that can happen is that you delete something that had been
>embedded but still have the message -- and will get a [x] (bad image)
>type marker in the message when viewed.

Which, btw, can also happen when you move from XP to Win 7 and the
data is now stored at a different address. Thank you, Mr. Gates. ;)

JJ

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:00:34 -0800, JJ <elj...@unspameljefe.net>

My Eudora v7.1.0.9 on XP is NOT installed under "Program Files"

Is that possible with Win 7?

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[JJ]

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:45:37 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:00:34 -0800, JJ <elj...@unspameljefe.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:48:21 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber
>><wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:38:10 -0600, "MaryL"
>>><stan...@invalid.yahoo.com> declaimed the following in
>>>comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows:
>>>
>>>> Thanks! I did not know that there was an actual embedded file I could use
>>>> in this way. I am using Win 7, so I found it by clicking on the path inside
>>>> Help>About Eudora. Just as you described, there is a lot of junk in there
>>>> that was not cleared when I deleted messages (unlike attachments). Am I
>>>> correct in assuming that I can clean the embedded file simply by deleting
>>>> images (as long as I do not want to keep that message on file)?
>>>
>>> The worst that can happen is that you delete something that had been
>>>embedded but still have the message -- and will get a [x] (bad image)
>>>type marker in the message when viewed.
>>
>>Which, btw, can also happen when you move from XP to Win 7 and the
>>data is now stored at a different address. Thank you, Mr. Gates. ;)
>>
>>JJ
>
>My Eudora v7.1.0.9 on XP is NOT installed under "Program Files"
>
>Is that possible with Win 7?
>

Pretty sure that's where mine is. I think that's where everyone's was
before Win 7 scattered it to the four winds.

JJ

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:23:58 -0800, JJ <elj...@unspameljefe.net>

I'm not yet forced in Win7, but my question is, will Win7 allow me to
install Eudora in its own folder that is NOT under "Program Files" ??

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:34:09 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:38:56 -0700, Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> declaimed the
>following in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows:
>
>>

>> I'm not yet forced in Win7, but my question is, will Win7 allow me to
>> install Eudora in its own folder that is NOT under "Program Files" ??
>>

> That is up to the installer package used... The preference for
>"Program Files" (or variant if installing on 64-bit) is that Win7
>finally fully enforces the "application executable/static data only; no
>user data allowed" model for installed programs. WinXP attempted that,
>but it could be overridden by practically anyone (especially on WinXP
>Home).
>
> User data should not have been in Program Files even under W9x but
>that had no protection to speak of.

So the executable portion of Eudora can be installed in a
NON-program-files folder?

[Joe Makowiec]

On 11 Jan 2013 in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, Jim Thompson wrote:

> So the executable portion of Eudora can be installed in a
> NON-program-files folder?

I can't answer for Eudora - mine's installed in C:\Program Files (x86)
\Qualcomm\Eudora - but I do have executables stored under my directory in
the c:\Users hierarchy, and they work just fine. I even have that
directory in my path.

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[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 03:08:08 +0000, John Morrison
<the_mo...@com.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:42:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:34:09 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber
>><wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:38:56 -0700, Jim Thompson
>>><To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> declaimed the
>>>following in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not yet forced in Win7, but my question is, will Win7 allow me to
>>>> install Eudora in its own folder that is NOT under "Program Files" ??
>>>>
>>> That is up to the installer package used... The preference for
>>>"Program Files" (or variant if installing on 64-bit) is that Win7
>>>finally fully enforces the "application executable/static data only; no
>>>user data allowed" model for installed programs. WinXP attempted that,
>>>but it could be overridden by practically anyone (especially on WinXP
>>>Home).
>>>
>>> User data should not have been in Program Files even under W9x but
>>>that had no protection to speak of.
>>
>>So the executable portion of Eudora can be installed in a
>>NON-program-files folder?
>

>Yes. Mine is on D:\Eudora.

Great! I've never had Eudora installed under "Program Files",
probably because I've been using Eudora "forever" (~1990 ?)

[John H Meyers]

On 1/11/2013 11:38 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:

> I'm not yet forced in Win7, but my question is, will Win7 allow me to
> install Eudora in its own folder that is NOT under "Program Files" ??

You will find that even the Eudora installer
lets you put Eudora programs anywhere,
and also lets you put "mail" (user data) anywhere.

It's only the _consequences_ of where you put stuff
that may turn out to be problematic,
not that anyone prevents you from building your home,
for example, right over a toxic waste dump site :)

Google's "Chrome" web browser seems to serve as an example
of a creative way of installing without sacrificing too much
in terms of security. I've seen some installations where
a user's set of program files for Chrome goes into his/her
own private Windows "profile" (below "Documents and Settings"
for Windows 2000 and XP, or below "Users" for Vista, W7 and W8),
rather than under a single system-wide "Program Files" area.

You could do the same for Windows 7/8, if you wish,
but for what goal do you not want to put Eudora's programs
in the safest and most guarded of all system locations?

The "user data folder" for Eudora normally defaults,
in the installer, unless biased by an earlier installation
that's been remembered in the Registry, to the choice called
"User's Application Data folder." In my opinion, that's the
best and safest location to use on the drive containing Windows,
so I suggest altering that default only when you need
to put it on a different drive.

You can always create a Windows "shortcut" to your "Data" folder,
on your desktop of anywhere else, so that you can jump right
to that directory any time you want -- this instantly solves
the so-called "problem" of the default location having a
"hidden" directory above it, when then becomes moot.

Eudora itself also provides a "shortcut" that you can simply click,
in version 7.1, to open your "Data" path, which again renders
completely moot any concerns about "finding" the data directory.

When you install all other programs under Windows,
do you similarly look for non-default places to put
their program files and/or user data? If not,
why treat Eudora any differently?

The only thing that, aside from reduced security,
may cause problems to Eudora, is if you try to use
system-protected locations (e.g. Program Files areas)
to store user data, because Windows now fiercely protects
those areas, trying not to let you write or update anything
in those areas, by re-directing any such writing, without even telling
the application program, into another private area of the current user's
Windows profile. This is what makes everything act as if running normally,
but you get various spurious error messages, and then one day
you can't even find your mail, your settings, or your address books,
and they're not even in what you thought was your backup -- that's
when you go into shock and finally realize that the original installation
was mismanaged, at which time it's more difficult to straighten out.

No matter where you install Eudora program files, I would always
make sure not to put user data under any folder containing program files;
just recognize that when installing any application that involves original,
never-changing program files, and later involves ever-changing user data,
that modern practice strongly indicates that these two file collections
should be independent of one another, nor have one within the other.

The very language "install Eudora in its own [single?] folder" already shows
an obsolete line of thinking, not practiced by any modern software,
where the distinction between programs vs. data areas didn't exist,
and malevolence being targeted through computers
was not one of the basic facts of life.

Nature figured this out long ago, by the way, at least for humans,
by installing their brain inside a separate, hard skull :)

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