Can't send out from Eudora

["JOLTIN' JOE']

Computer died and was replaced with a Compaq with Windows Seven which
receives Eudora but cannot, to this point, connect to bellnet.ca when
sending out "Could not connect to "smtp.bellnet.ca" Cause: connection
time out (10060) comes up.


My imperative is to maintain the extensive e-mail list accumulated on
Eudora.


1) Having capability of connecting with bellnet.ca for both IN and OUT
best.


2) Locating a server which will accept Eudora programmes for both IN
and OUT as they exist.


3) Having an in between programme connecting to bellnet.ca to which
addresses now in nicknames could be moved as a group recreating the
existing organization of contacts into outreach groups.


(3) Has been sought with no success to the present as has (1)


Information of sites that accept Eudora as both In and Out would be
much appreciated and as well thoughts on the other possibilities.


Joe Hueglin <joe.h...@bellnet.ca>
905-356-390

[Han]

"\"JOLTIN' JOE'" <joe.h...@gmail.com> wrote in news:93ee2c2d-3e5a-
4ed7-90a8-0...@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:

I am not in Canada, but googling for bellnet.ca gave this link. Did you
try the instruction here:
<http://www.ehow.com/how_6815890_access-bellnet-email-anywhere.html>

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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

[Ajo Wissink]

On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 06:59:23 -0800 (PST), "\"JOLTIN' JOE'"
<joe.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

>2) Locating a server which will accept Eudora programmes for both IN
>and OUT as they exist.

>Information of sites that accept Eudora as both In and Out would be
>much appreciated and as well thoughts on the other possibilities.

There are no servers that don't accept Eudora programmes. There are
only server support people who, at least at the entry level, do not
help customers who are using Eudora and a whole lot of other email
clients, including Thunderbird, older versions of Microsoft Outlook,
etc. Servers don't look at which email client is contacting them.

The correct settings for your email are easy to find. See:

http://internet.bell.ca/index.cfm?method=content.view&content_id=1067

That page has also the settings for "unsupported email clients"

[John H Meyers]

On 2/7/2012 11:39 AM, Ajo Wissink wrote:

> The correct settings for your email are easy to find. See:
>
> http://internet.bell.ca/index.cfm?method=content.view&content_id=1067
>
> That page has also the settings for "unsupported email clients"

They are using Hotmail servers.

Set "Secure Sockets when Receiving"
to "Required, Alternate Port"

Set "Secure Sockets when Sending"
to "Required, StartTLS"
and turn on "Use submission port (587)"

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[Frank]

> Joe Hueglin <joe.hueg...@bellnet.ca>
> 905-356-390

Haven't visited this group in a long time but still on my Google
groups list and thought I'd look in.

I was a dedicated Eudora user up until about 3 years ago when Vista
computer was having problems which advice from knowledgeable people in
this group could not solve.

I switched to Mozilla's Thunderbird. You can import all your stuff
from Eudora into TB and hook up to email is as easy as giving it your
name, email address and password.

[John H Meyers]

On 2/10/2012 12:17 PM, Frank wrote:

> I was a dedicated Eudora user up until about 3 years ago when Vista
> computer was having problems which advice from knowledgeable people
> in this group could not solve.

So you were that one person in a million?

People often do pick on Eudora and blame other things on it, however,
in a sort of "shoot the messenger" fashion -- Vista itself was the
usual "Microsoft's botched first try" at a major OS overhaul,
and is responsible for the only two things which need
a small work-around for Eudora to master.

Thunderbird is good for some things and **** for other things,
just like most anything, and just as many people vent on its own newsgroups
about "problems" caused mainly by the same "usual other suspects."

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[Frank]

I'm sure you are correct and it did take a lot of other workarounds
for other things with Vista.
For example, I could not set up a remote desktop connecting Vista to a
server using XP.

What flumoxed me with Eudora was inability to sellect more than three
email recipients and while this was not a showstopper, typing was
extremely slow at times and nothing suggested, like dropping spell
check, would help.

Have no idea how Eudora would work on Windows 7. One of my sons is
the computer software guru and curses Microsoft and only uses Linux on
his work and home pc's.

[Han]

Frank <frank....@dol.net> wrote in
news:954ae09f-9adf-430e...@s7g2000vby.googlegroups.com:

> On Feb 11, 5:02 am, John H Meyers <jhmey...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2/10/2012 12:17 PM, Frank wrote:
>>
>> > I was a dedicated Eudora user up until about 3 years ago when Vista
>> > computer was having problems which advice from knowledgeable people
>> > in this group could not solve.
>>
>> So you were that one person in a million?
>>
>> People often do pick on Eudora and blame other things on it, however,
>> in a sort of "shoot the messenger" fashion -- Vista itself was the
>> usual "Microsoft's botched first try" at a major OS overhaul,
>> and is responsible for the only two things which need
>> a small work-around for Eudora to master.
>>
>> Thunderbird is good for some things and **** for other things,
>> just like most anything, and just as many people vent on its own
>> newsgrou
> ps
>> about "problems" caused mainly by the same "usual other suspects."
>>
>> --
>
> I'm sure you are correct and it did take a lot of other workarounds
> for other things with Vista.
> For example, I could not set up a remote desktop connecting Vista to a
> server using XP.

I have used MS LiveMesh for that until MS stopped supporting it. Now
using Live Mesh for Win7 to Win 7. It seems to evade surveillance and/or
intercept by the institutions of my old workplace (luckily, or I wouldn't
be able to offer support anymore).

> What flumoxed me with Eudora was inability to sellect more than three
> email recipients and while this was not a showstopper, typing was
> extremely slow at times and nothing suggested, like dropping spell
> check, would help.

Can't help with slowness, but didn't experience it. I always let the
autocompletion feature help with selecting recipients. Works flawlessly
if you pay attention <caveat!!>.

> Have no idea how Eudora would work on Windows 7. One of my sons is
> the computer software guru and curses Microsoft and only uses Linux on
> his work and home pc's.

Eudora works just fine on Win7. Minor annoyances: You have to follow
MS' new rules as to where data directories go. There is no fix for
"foreign" character sets, but Windows US international keyboard helps me
a lot. There appear to be a few, but increasing in number, styled emails
from companies that aren't properly displaying, probably because of html
that doesn't follow official rules. This is simlar (perhaps) to webpages
not properly displaying, or following links, in Chrome, or sometimes
Firefox, and the need to use IE for those. But that is NOT a Eudora
problem ...

I tried doublebooting into Ubuntu, but my laptop didn't like it. And I
do need Windows for a few applications that don't work under Linux.

[John H Meyers]

On 2/11/2012 8:01 AM, Han wrote:

> Eudora works just fine on Win7. Minor annoyances:
> You have to follow MS' new rules as to where data directories go.

The rule (no data stored under "program files" can be modified)
was "new" as of Windows 2000, but only users who are not members
of the Administrators group were originally affected, whereas,
beginning with Vista, all applications are now run by default
with non-admin rights, to better protect against malware.

Now, you can instead launch Eudora so as to even "Run as administrator"
and thus bypass "file and registry virtualization" entirely,
if you don't mind trading in the protection that it took ten years
to persuade Microsoft to finally incorporate into Windows,
for nothing that returns any real value in return.

> There is no fix for "foreign" character sets,
> but Windows US international keyboard helps

This issue is due to incoming UTF-8 multi-byte character encoding,
unrelated to Windows version, and a UTF8ISO plugin by Daniel Kuhn
often helps when there are single-byte equivalent ISO-8859 characters.

One of my users had a recent "very slow Eudora" issue even under XP,
which was entirely resolved by emptying out the "Embedded" folder
and transferring all of the huge amount of In/Out mail to other mailboxes.

For a very slow initialization of OpenSSL (used within Eudora),
also caused by incredibly slow "memory heap traversal" in Win7,
a one byte completely effective patch was developed.

For the breaking of "Tree controls" by Vista & Win7,
which is why Ctrl+click in an address book deselects
previously selected entries, several creative work-arounds exist,
by means of which all other treasures of Eudora can also remain yours,
yet some users prefer to ditch Eudora instead, for some new girl or other,
just as quickly as some guy named Newt
who also opted for an "open marriage alternate source" :)

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[Jim Thompson]

Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:52:28 -0600, John H Meyers

<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>On 2/11/2012 8:01 AM, Han wrote:
>
>> Eudora works just fine on Win7. Minor annoyances:
>> You have to follow MS' new rules as to where data directories go.
>
>The rule (no data stored under "program files" can be modified)
>was "new" as of Windows 2000, but only users who are not members
>of the Administrators group were originally affected, whereas,
>beginning with Vista, all applications are now run by default
>with non-admin rights, to better protect against malware.
>

[snip]

As one still on XP, but facing the need for a new PC, can Eudora (v7)
be installed in a non-Program Files directory?

...Jim Thompson
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[Han]

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
news:748dj757vtjiiv4g6...@4ax.com:

> Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:52:28 -0600, John H Meyers
> <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2/11/2012 8:01 AM, Han wrote:
>>
>>> Eudora works just fine on Win7. Minor annoyances:
>>> You have to follow MS' new rules as to where data directories go.
>>
>>The rule (no data stored under "program files" can be modified)
>>was "new" as of Windows 2000, but only users who are not members
>>of the Administrators group were originally affected, whereas,
>>beginning with Vista, all applications are now run by default
>>with non-admin rights, to better protect against malware.
>>
> [snip]
>
> As one still on XP, but facing the need for a new PC, can Eudora (v7)
> be installed in a non-Program Files directory?
>
> ...Jim Thompson

Jim, if you google for it (or if John Meyers posts it once again), there
s pain-free way to install Eudora 7.1.0.9 on Win7. Basically, one way is
to let the installer install Eudora and note where the data directory is
going to be, then copy over your old data directories there. There are
other ways as wel ...

The other tweaks are the 1 byte fix for the SSL dll, a registration code
free ly available (if your old one is lost) and a way to get the X1
search dll.

Of course, slowness of Eudora depends on the size of in, out, and trash,
among other things.

[Rich Greenberg]

In article <4F369CCC...@nomail.invalid>,

John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

[...]

>The rule (no data stored under "program files" can be modified)
>was "new" as of Windows 2000, but only users who are not members
>of the Administrators group were originally affected, whereas,
>beginning with Vista, all applications are now run by default
>with non-admin rights, to better protect against malware.

I have been getting around this since I first started with Eudora in NT.

The install allows 2 directory trees to be set up, one for the Eudora
programs which defaults to C:\Program Files (I have it in D:\Program
Files). The other is for Eudora's data which is the one that defaults
to C:\Documents and Settings\.... I have that in E:\Eudora\

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[John H Meyers]

On 2/11/2012 11:10 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:

> As one still on XP, but facing the need for a new PC, can Eudora (v7)
> be installed in a non-Program Files directory?

You can install programs anywhere you like, but if you install them
outside of the perimeter which Windows protects with extra care,
then malware can more easily attack -- why would you want that?

There are, of course, people who prefer to disable their seat belt alarms,
rather than buckle up -- "go figure" :)

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