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John H Meyers
Jan 3, 2013, 1:41:55 PM1/3/13
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OK -- just checking that the news server still works :)
Qualcomm's Eudora forums has meanwhile effectively disabled itself,
by the simple act of changing a single "base" tag,
which now directs all other related URLs to use "https" on that same
server, apparently in disregard of the fact that the server
can not be contacted on https port 443 from the outside world --
this makes invisible all of the "CSS style sheets" and "javascript files"
necessary to format the web pages,
as well as disabling any link that you can click.
They also told search engines to stop indexing, via
<http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/robots.txt>
Well, that killed off Google's being the only way to even
search those forums, which Qualcomm had already killed off
by wiping out its entire older internal search index
during a previous "vBulletin" forum software update.
"Shooting one's web site in the foot" has thus been carried
to a new level by whoever Qualcomm has left in charge of it.
Activity on the following mailing list has also died down:
<http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-mac>
Although the recent flurry about the Mayan calendar
has been demonstrated to be mistaken, inasmuch
as some of us are still here, perhaps the Mayans
did correctly predict the end of Eudora, after all :)
Best wishes for a bright year (and long future) ahead,
with or without Eudora.
--
Qualcomm's Eudora forums has meanwhile effectively disabled itself,
by the simple act of changing a single "base" tag,
which now directs all other related URLs to use "https" on that same
server, apparently in disregard of the fact that the server
can not be contacted on https port 443 from the outside world --
this makes invisible all of the "CSS style sheets" and "javascript files"
necessary to format the web pages,
as well as disabling any link that you can click.
They also told search engines to stop indexing, via
<http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/robots.txt>
Well, that killed off Google's being the only way to even
search those forums, which Qualcomm had already killed off
by wiping out its entire older internal search index
during a previous "vBulletin" forum software update.
"Shooting one's web site in the foot" has thus been carried
to a new level by whoever Qualcomm has left in charge of it.
Activity on the following mailing list has also died down:
<http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-mac>
Although the recent flurry about the Mayan calendar
has been demonstrated to be mistaken, inasmuch
as some of us are still here, perhaps the Mayans
did correctly predict the end of Eudora, after all :)
Best wishes for a bright year (and long future) ahead,
with or without Eudora.
--
Patty Winter
Jan 3, 2013, 2:51:50 PM1/3/13
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In article <50E5D0F3...@nomail.invalid>,
John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>OK -- just checking that the news server still works :)
It does. :-)
>OK -- just checking that the news server still works :)
>Qualcomm's Eudora forums has meanwhile effectively disabled itself,
>by the simple act of changing a single "base" tag,
>which now directs all other related URLs to use "https" on that same
>server, apparently in disregard of the fact that the server
>can not be contacted on https port 443 from the outside world --
>this makes invisible all of the "CSS style sheets" and "javascript files"
>necessary to format the web pages,
>as well as disabling any link that you can click.
>
>They also told search engines to stop indexing, via
><http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/robots.txt>
the Eudora info for reference purposes?
Patty
John H Meyers
Jan 3, 2013, 8:44:13 PM1/3/13
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On 1/3/2013 1:51 PM, Patty Winter (evidently still faithfully monitoring
for signs of life in this hibernating group :) kindly replied:
[re Eudora forums at eudorabb.qualcomm.com,
now broken both by unavailable https to that server,
and by "robots.txt" chasing all search engines away]
> Did you drop Qualcomm a note suggesting that they
> leave up the Eudora info for reference purposes?
Do you mean via email?
An email note requires some specific email address --
do you have one for this situation?
I wrote to Matt Dudziak's last known address;
he was in the small group that last worked on "EOSE"
(the last known activity of which was in 2010)
and was also the last Qualcomm person to post on the forums
or correspond with me, but he has long moved
or transferred somewhere else within Qualcomm, and unfortunately
also was, like Mr. Dorner, on medical leave until recently
(wish them both good health).
I have no idea who was left administering the forum server,
so unless Matt knows and relays what we've discovered
(plus unknown Qualcomm management having any desire
to encourage proper maintenance), I don't know
where else to turn about it.
Two other people plus yours truly were still active forum moderators,
by the way, but we had no part in "higher level" server administration.
Like old soldiers, old software is bound to just fade away
(accelerated in the Mac Eudora case by Apple's additional maneuvers),
and perhaps that time is nigh.
Eudora.com (along with original site Eudora.com/archive.html )
is still present and accounted for, however, FWIW :)
Thanks for scanning the horizon for any ongoing activity, Patty,
and hope you have a lovely Winter :)
--
for signs of life in this hibernating group :) kindly replied:
[re Eudora forums at eudorabb.qualcomm.com,
now broken both by unavailable https to that server,
and by "robots.txt" chasing all search engines away]
> Did you drop Qualcomm a note suggesting that they
> leave up the Eudora info for reference purposes?
An email note requires some specific email address --
do you have one for this situation?
I wrote to Matt Dudziak's last known address;
he was in the small group that last worked on "EOSE"
(the last known activity of which was in 2010)
and was also the last Qualcomm person to post on the forums
or correspond with me, but he has long moved
or transferred somewhere else within Qualcomm, and unfortunately
also was, like Mr. Dorner, on medical leave until recently
(wish them both good health).
I have no idea who was left administering the forum server,
so unless Matt knows and relays what we've discovered
(plus unknown Qualcomm management having any desire
to encourage proper maintenance), I don't know
where else to turn about it.
Two other people plus yours truly were still active forum moderators,
by the way, but we had no part in "higher level" server administration.
Like old soldiers, old software is bound to just fade away
(accelerated in the Mac Eudora case by Apple's additional maneuvers),
and perhaps that time is nigh.
Eudora.com (along with original site Eudora.com/archive.html )
is still present and accounted for, however, FWIW :)
Thanks for scanning the horizon for any ongoing activity, Patty,
and hope you have a lovely Winter :)
--
Patty Winter
Jan 4, 2013, 3:56:22 PM1/4/13
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In article <50E633ED...@nomail.invalid>,
John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>On 1/3/2013 1:51 PM, Patty Winter (evidently still faithfully monitoring
>for signs of life in this hibernating group :) kindly replied:
>
>for signs of life in this hibernating group :) kindly replied:
>
>> Did you drop Qualcomm a note suggesting that they
>> leave up the Eudora info for reference purposes?
>
>Do you mean via email?
>An email note requires some specific email address --
>do you have one for this situation?
Well, the website says that it's "webm...@eudora.com". I don't
>> leave up the Eudora info for reference purposes?
>
>Do you mean via email?
>An email note requires some specific email address --
>do you have one for this situation?
know whether anyone monitors that mailbox, but there it is.
Patty
John H Meyers
Jan 5, 2013, 2:16:10 AM1/5/13
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On 1/4/2013 2:56 PM:
[re eudorabb.qualcomm.com being messed up]
JHM:
(that's the site which is messed up due to unreadable CSS files,
unreadable Javascript files, and dead links,
all because of the site recently being adjusted
to attempt to use https for all "relative" URLs, which uses a TCP port [443]
on which you can't get through to that server at all,
plus it excludes search engine support via a new robots.txt file)
whereas the eudora.com site is not the one messed up --
<http://www.eudora.com/contact.html> is part of the latter,
and is still working.
But then, those two sites aren't too far apart:
> nslookup eudora.qualcomm.com
Name: eudora.com
Address: 199.106.115.227
Aliases: eudora.qualcomm.com
> nslookup eudorabb.qualcomm.com
Name: vip-eudorabb.qualcomm.com
Address: 199.106.109.214
Aliases: eudorabb.qualcomm.com
So I sent a message to the address you posted,
asking whether the "Eudora webmaster" also handles the forums,
and what looks like an autoreply came back 1 minute later,
containing the following text:
Dear Eudora Users,
Qualcomm is no longer selling or supporting the Eudora product.
Technical support is not available for Eudora users.
You can still get 24 hour access to our web site
<http://www.eudora.com/> which includes:
Online Tutorials!
<http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/tutorials>
Knowledge Base!
<http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/index.html#kb>
Eudora Forums!
<http://www.eudorabb.qualcomm.com/index.php>
Development on the open source version of Eudora!
<http://www.eudora.com/developers/>
[End of autoreply]
When I start clicking on links in the original message,
it turns out that the last four are broken, in part because of
mistakenly inserted extra spaces between the angle brackets and the URLs;
after editing the above to fix that, the last two links are still broken,
the very last one because Qualcomm removed the "Developers" section long ago,
which was anyway for developers of "classic" Eudora plugins, not for EOSE,
and the forum link is broken because there is no such site as
"www.eudorabb.qualcomm.com" [DNS lookup fails because "www."
should not have been inserted in front of the correct URL],
so the "report card" for even this mindless autoreply
is just about as dismal as is Mac Eudora under any kind of Lion :(
The bottom lion (oops, I mean "bottom line") is thus:
The "Eudora webmaster" email address has no human presence behind it,
nor did it even have a very conscious presence when last updated.
Golly, here are some more of the "full headers" of that autoreply:
Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.201301...@eudora.com>
Precedence: bulk
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:21:16 -0800
To: John H Meyers <address snipped>
From: Webmaster <webma...@eudora.com>
Subject: Re: Do you take care of eudorabb.qualcomm.com ?
Holy cow, is Eudora version 7.0.1.0 being used to automatically reply?
How come the webmaster's own "From" address seems to have a typo in it?
What were they drinking at the last office party, while all that was being set up?
If the party is still under way, can we get the street address?
Oh, maybe we needn't ask, if it's the same as on the "contact us" page:
Corporate Mailing Address:
QUALCOMM Incorporated
Eudora Products
5775 Morehouse Drive
San Diego, CA 92121
Whoever is nearest to that address, could you run over and peek in,
and let us know if life is still present?
By the strangest coincidence, in a 6-minute scene
from a depressing 1959 doomsday film,
after the entire population of North America
is presumed wiped out in nuclear war,
radio signals sounding a bit like Morse code, but indecipherable,
continue being broadcast from an unknown San Diego location,
turning out to have been caused by a coke bottle lying on a broken,
wind-blown window shade at a power station in an oil refinery,
tapping a telegraph key:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn7JAE5D39o&t=1430>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(1959_film)>
"Long live [or lived, now past tense?] Eudora!"
--
[re eudorabb.qualcomm.com being messed up]
JHM:
>> An email note requires some specific email address --
>> do you have one for this situation?
> Well, the website says that it's "webm...@eudora.com"
Is that an address found on eudorabb.qualcomm.com ?
>> do you have one for this situation?
> Well, the website says that it's "webm...@eudora.com"
(that's the site which is messed up due to unreadable CSS files,
unreadable Javascript files, and dead links,
all because of the site recently being adjusted
to attempt to use https for all "relative" URLs, which uses a TCP port [443]
on which you can't get through to that server at all,
plus it excludes search engine support via a new robots.txt file)
whereas the eudora.com site is not the one messed up --
<http://www.eudora.com/contact.html> is part of the latter,
and is still working.
But then, those two sites aren't too far apart:
> nslookup eudora.qualcomm.com
Name: eudora.com
Address: 199.106.115.227
Aliases: eudora.qualcomm.com
> nslookup eudorabb.qualcomm.com
Name: vip-eudorabb.qualcomm.com
Address: 199.106.109.214
Aliases: eudorabb.qualcomm.com
So I sent a message to the address you posted,
asking whether the "Eudora webmaster" also handles the forums,
and what looks like an autoreply came back 1 minute later,
containing the following text:
Dear Eudora Users,
Qualcomm is no longer selling or supporting the Eudora product.
Technical support is not available for Eudora users.
You can still get 24 hour access to our web site
<http://www.eudora.com/> which includes:
Online Tutorials!
<http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/tutorials>
Knowledge Base!
<http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/index.html#kb>
Eudora Forums!
<http://www.eudorabb.qualcomm.com/index.php>
Development on the open source version of Eudora!
<http://www.eudora.com/developers/>
[End of autoreply]
When I start clicking on links in the original message,
it turns out that the last four are broken, in part because of
mistakenly inserted extra spaces between the angle brackets and the URLs;
after editing the above to fix that, the last two links are still broken,
the very last one because Qualcomm removed the "Developers" section long ago,
which was anyway for developers of "classic" Eudora plugins, not for EOSE,
and the forum link is broken because there is no such site as
"www.eudorabb.qualcomm.com" [DNS lookup fails because "www."
should not have been inserted in front of the correct URL],
so the "report card" for even this mindless autoreply
is just about as dismal as is Mac Eudora under any kind of Lion :(
The bottom lion (oops, I mean "bottom line") is thus:
The "Eudora webmaster" email address has no human presence behind it,
nor did it even have a very conscious presence when last updated.
Golly, here are some more of the "full headers" of that autoreply:
Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.201301...@eudora.com>
Precedence: bulk
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:21:16 -0800
To: John H Meyers <address snipped>
From: Webmaster <webma...@eudora.com>
Subject: Re: Do you take care of eudorabb.qualcomm.com ?
Holy cow, is Eudora version 7.0.1.0 being used to automatically reply?
How come the webmaster's own "From" address seems to have a typo in it?
What were they drinking at the last office party, while all that was being set up?
If the party is still under way, can we get the street address?
Oh, maybe we needn't ask, if it's the same as on the "contact us" page:
Corporate Mailing Address:
QUALCOMM Incorporated
Eudora Products
5775 Morehouse Drive
San Diego, CA 92121
Whoever is nearest to that address, could you run over and peek in,
and let us know if life is still present?
By the strangest coincidence, in a 6-minute scene
from a depressing 1959 doomsday film,
after the entire population of North America
is presumed wiped out in nuclear war,
radio signals sounding a bit like Morse code, but indecipherable,
continue being broadcast from an unknown San Diego location,
turning out to have been caused by a coke bottle lying on a broken,
wind-blown window shade at a power station in an oil refinery,
tapping a telegraph key:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn7JAE5D39o&t=1430>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(1959_film)>
"Long live [or lived, now past tense?] Eudora!"
--
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