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R. Millstein
Jul 24, 2012, 6:46:24 PM7/24/12
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MailForge's developer is apparently trying to give the software away,
casting into further doubt whether the "Eudora replacement" will ever
appear:
http://forums.realsoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&p=249366
There's been lots of grumbling on the MF forums the last few days. (It
*has* been almost five years since that project started, after all).
Some folks may be joining up here to regroup and continue the perennial
discussion about Eudora alternatives.
Roberta
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casting into further doubt whether the "Eudora replacement" will ever
appear:
http://forums.realsoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&p=249366
There's been lots of grumbling on the MF forums the last few days. (It
*has* been almost five years since that project started, after all).
Some folks may be joining up here to regroup and continue the perennial
discussion about Eudora alternatives.
Roberta
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use...@spamaway.rlm.net
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Patty Winter
Jul 24, 2012, 11:26:04 PM7/24/12
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In article <usenet-87B3D0....@free.teranews.com>,
R. Millstein <use...@spamaway.rlm.net> wrote:
>
>There's been lots of grumbling on the MF forums the last few days. (It
>*has* been almost five years since that project started, after all).
>Some folks may be joining up here to regroup and continue the perennial
>discussion about Eudora alternatives.
Well, I hope that someone solves that issue by the time I have to
>
>There's been lots of grumbling on the MF forums the last few days. (It
>*has* been almost five years since that project started, after all).
>Some folks may be joining up here to regroup and continue the perennial
>discussion about Eudora alternatives.
give up Snow Leopard! I have no plans to do so, but it'll have to
happen one of these years...
Patty
R. Millstein
Jul 25, 2012, 2:20:25 AM7/25/12
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> MailForge's developer is apparently trying to give the software away,
> casting into further doubt whether the "Eudora replacement" will ever
> appear:
>
> http://forums.realsoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&p=249366
And here is the latest in the saga:
> casting into further doubt whether the "Eudora replacement" will ever
> appear:
>
> http://forums.realsoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&p=249366
http://www.infinitydatasystems.com/mailforge-and-the-future/
In short, another company, as yet unnamed, will be taking over the
development of MailForge.
David Morrison
Jul 25, 2012, 7:26:43 AM7/25/12
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In article <500f674c$0$46609$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
Sadly I will have to get a Lion-only machine soon - my old iMac is
slowly dying :-(
And the issues with synchronisation and other compatibility issues are
just too hard to stick with an old operating system.
I took a MacBook Air with me on a two month trip recently. This of
course uses Lion. I tried both Apple Mail and Sparrow and found both
wanting for the sorts of things I use a mail program for. (I was
particularly surprised when Google bought Sparrow. It was one of the
least functional mail programs I have ever used.)
I had previously tried Thunderbird, which was not too bad in general -
at least it had most of the functionality I expect in an e-mail program.
What turned me off it was replying to a message. If you typed your reply
at the beginning and left the quoted message whole, it was fine. But I
am old school - I intersperse my reply with the quoted original message.
And Thunderbird did not work well like this. (Although I have just
retried what irritated me and it seems to work. May have been an update
since I tried before.)
I have also had a look at some other mail clients such as Gyazmail and
not been impressed. Very limited functionality really.
It seems that e-mail is a dying communication method. The clients are
all adopting the dumbed-down approach of Apple, as if that is the way of
the future. Very sad for people who use e-mail a lot.
Cheers
David
slowly dying :-(
And the issues with synchronisation and other compatibility issues are
just too hard to stick with an old operating system.
I took a MacBook Air with me on a two month trip recently. This of
course uses Lion. I tried both Apple Mail and Sparrow and found both
wanting for the sorts of things I use a mail program for. (I was
particularly surprised when Google bought Sparrow. It was one of the
least functional mail programs I have ever used.)
I had previously tried Thunderbird, which was not too bad in general -
at least it had most of the functionality I expect in an e-mail program.
What turned me off it was replying to a message. If you typed your reply
at the beginning and left the quoted message whole, it was fine. But I
am old school - I intersperse my reply with the quoted original message.
And Thunderbird did not work well like this. (Although I have just
retried what irritated me and it seems to work. May have been an update
since I tried before.)
I have also had a look at some other mail clients such as Gyazmail and
not been impressed. Very limited functionality really.
It seems that e-mail is a dying communication method. The clients are
all adopting the dumbed-down approach of Apple, as if that is the way of
the future. Very sad for people who use e-mail a lot.
Cheers
David
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Hauke Fath
Jul 25, 2012, 9:02:32 AM7/25/12
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David Morrison <davi...@excite.com> wrote:
> It seems that e-mail is a dying communication method. The clients are
> all adopting the dumbed-down approach of Apple, as if that is the way of
> the future.
Methinks anything internet that requires setting up a piece of software
> It seems that e-mail is a dying communication method. The clients are
> all adopting the dumbed-down approach of Apple, as if that is the way of
> the future.
(as opposed to using your web browser) is dying - including USENET.
Most people these days either use what's been set up for them (MS
Outlook, Thunderbird), or they use a web mailer - either way it's TOFU,
and HTML mail.
hauke
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R. Millstein
Jul 25, 2012, 10:57:05 AM7/25/12
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In article <1knslm0.1f7ewsy10mdrkN%dont.spa...@googlemail.com>,
Usenet may be dying, but in fact, it is quite accessible through a
browser alone. Here is our current thread, for example:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.mail.eudora.mac/N
mStF0JlEFg
There are other ways to access Usenet through a browser; this just
happens to be the one that I know.
browser alone. Here is our current thread, for example:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.mail.eudora.mac/N
mStF0JlEFg
There are other ways to access Usenet through a browser; this just
happens to be the one that I know.
Ian Blackburn
Jul 25, 2012, 11:11:10 AM7/25/12
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On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:46:24 PM UTC-4, R. Millstein wrote:
> Some folks may be joining up here to regroup and continue the perennial
> discussion about Eudora alternatives.
Haven't used Usenet in a while. Feels like an old friend!
> Some folks may be joining up here to regroup and continue the perennial
> discussion about Eudora alternatives.
-Ian Blackburn ("Ian" on the MF board)
R. Millstein
Jul 25, 2012, 11:36:01 AM7/25/12
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In article <dd1ce37a-1fc3-4a35...@googlegroups.com>,
Ian Blackburn <iank...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:46:24 PM UTC-4, R. Millstein wrote:
> > Some folks may be joining up here to regroup and continue the perennial
> > discussion about Eudora alternatives.
>
> Haven't used Usenet in a while. Feels like an old friend!
Welcome back! :)
> On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:46:24 PM UTC-4, R. Millstein wrote:
> > Some folks may be joining up here to regroup and continue the perennial
> > discussion about Eudora alternatives.
>
> Haven't used Usenet in a while. Feels like an old friend!
David Morrison
Jul 26, 2012, 5:10:06 AM7/26/12
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In article <elmop-6A4FC7....@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <timstreater-142E...@news.individual.net>,
> Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
> > An
> > alternative was a Facebook page suggested by someone, but I've always
> > resisted FB due to their Ts&Cs.
>
> I've resisted them for more reasons than that, and my attitude won't
> change. I will not do FB.
>
> Remember, if it's free to you, you're not the customer--you're the
> product being sold.
>
> And I am not available for FB's price.
>
> FB is for idiots, plain and simple.
Remember what usenet used to be like, with new people who had just
discovered it spouting all sorts of rubbish. And the cross-posted spam
made many groups unusable. Now it is peaceful and open for productive
discussions again.
So Facebook has its place. It keeps the morons off Usenet :-)
But Facebook does have other uses. It's just that technical discussions
is not amongst them.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <timstreater-142E...@news.individual.net>,
> Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
> > An
> > alternative was a Facebook page suggested by someone, but I've always
> > resisted FB due to their Ts&Cs.
>
> I've resisted them for more reasons than that, and my attitude won't
> change. I will not do FB.
>
> Remember, if it's free to you, you're not the customer--you're the
> product being sold.
>
> And I am not available for FB's price.
>
> FB is for idiots, plain and simple.
Remember what usenet used to be like, with new people who had just
discovered it spouting all sorts of rubbish. And the cross-posted spam
made many groups unusable. Now it is peaceful and open for productive
discussions again.
So Facebook has its place. It keeps the morons off Usenet :-)
But Facebook does have other uses. It's just that technical discussions
is not amongst them.
Ian Blackburn
Jul 26, 2012, 11:06:51 AM7/26/12
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On Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:10:06 AM UTC-4, David Morrison wrote:
> Remember what usenet used to be like, with new people who had just
> discovered it spouting all sorts of rubbish.
I remember when AOL opened up a gateway to Usenet back when AOL was a self-contained thing; most of its users didn't really know about or understand the Internet, and a whole lot of them thought Usenet was an AOL discussion forum. That was painful to watch.
> Remember what usenet used to be like, with new people who had just
> discovered it spouting all sorts of rubbish.
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Martin-S
Aug 8, 2012, 12:28:22 PM8/8/12
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In article <davidmor-9671AB...@news.internode.on.net>,
I don't see that happen anytime soon. What would be the alternatives in
your opinion?
--
Martin
I don't see that happen anytime soon. What would be the alternatives in
your opinion?
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Martin
R. Millstein
Aug 10, 2012, 4:01:45 PM8/10/12
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In article <inv-4F7520.1...@news.individual.net>,
I agree that email isn't going away. As an academic, there are too many
people who I contact and who contact me who I don't want to be "friends"
with or to be "linked" with. Indeed, since a lot of these contacts are
short term, but there are a great number of them, using anything other
than email would quickly become unwieldy. I assume that there are other
professions that are similar.
people who I contact and who contact me who I don't want to be "friends"
with or to be "linked" with. Indeed, since a lot of these contacts are
short term, but there are a great number of them, using anything other
than email would quickly become unwieldy. I assume that there are other
professions that are similar.
John H Meyers
Aug 10, 2012, 11:29:54 PM8/10/12
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On 7/25/2012 8:02 AM, Hauke Fath wrote:
> Methinks anything internet that requires setting up a piece of software
> (as opposed to using your web browser) is dying - including USENET.
"As opposed to using your web browser" ?
> Methinks anything internet that requires setting up a piece of software
> (as opposed to using your web browser) is dying - including USENET.
"Usenet" is fully available via web browser alone, e.g.:
<http://groups.google.com/groups/search?as_ugroup=comp.mail.eudora.mac>
<https://groups.google.com/groups/advanced_search?q=group:comp.mail.eudora.mac>
And some other sites which now seem to require paid subscriptions.
--
John H Meyers
Aug 10, 2012, 11:53:57 PM8/10/12
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On 7/25/2012 6:26 AM, David Morrison wrote:
> It seems that e-mail is a dying communication method.
> The clients are all adopting the dumbed-down approach of Apple,
> as if that is the way of the future.
> Very sad for people who use e-mail a lot.
It might be more on target to say that using personal clients
> It seems that e-mail is a dying communication method.
> The clients are all adopting the dumbed-down approach of Apple,
> as if that is the way of the future.
> Very sad for people who use e-mail a lot.
to handle email is giving way to using web services to handle it,
and that this is why the best minds no longer apply themselves
to the better design of an older product (computer clients)
whose once-expanding "sales" are now dim memories,
due to a combination of many factors, such as
the new generation of users, who have multiple smart devices,
trending toward "cloud-based" services with new operating paradigms,
plus a desire for seamless integration.
Computer-based application designers are also always faced
with producing a product for several incompatible operating systems,
one of which changed their fundamental hardware too,
and cut PPC-based products loose,
whereas current web and other internet standards are pretty uniform.
However, apropos of MailForge giving up after many defeats,
Tim Streater recently made this intriguing claim:
"I've written my own email client with Eudora features I always liked."
<http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=59107>
About Tim:
http://local.dante.net/about/people/ts.html
http://clothears.org.uk/
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David Morrison
Aug 11, 2012, 11:31:55 AM8/11/12
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In article <5025D755...@nomail.invalid>,
there are no plans to do it. Truly seamless use on multiple devices
means more than making sure the same accounts are on every device. What
about signatures? What about template messages? What about the dog's
breakfast of setting up IMAP so that Sent, Junk and Trash are in the
right places on different devices?
To be seamless, all of these things need to work without manual
intervention. (And yes, webmail is seamless if you are prepared to live
with the limitations it imposes.)
Secondly, "the best minds" are doing what is trendy as that is where the
big market is, and of course the notoriety/publicity/kudos. That is not
to say that there is not a market for a good e-mail client, but so far
no-one has produced one to see.
John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> On 7/25/2012 6:26 AM, David Morrison wrote:
>
> > It seems that e-mail is a dying communication method.
> > The clients are all adopting the dumbed-down approach of Apple,
> > as if that is the way of the future.
> > Very sad for people who use e-mail a lot.
>
> It might be more on target to say that using personal clients
> to handle email is giving way to using web services to handle it,
> and that this is why the best minds no longer apply themselves
> to the better design of an older product (computer clients)
> whose once-expanding "sales" are now dim memories,
> due to a combination of many factors, such as
> the new generation of users, who have multiple smart devices,
> trending toward "cloud-based" services with new operating paradigms,
> plus a desire for seamless integration.
Well, first of all, "seamless" isn't here yet and as far as I can see,
> On 7/25/2012 6:26 AM, David Morrison wrote:
>
> > It seems that e-mail is a dying communication method.
> > The clients are all adopting the dumbed-down approach of Apple,
> > as if that is the way of the future.
> > Very sad for people who use e-mail a lot.
>
> It might be more on target to say that using personal clients
> to handle email is giving way to using web services to handle it,
> and that this is why the best minds no longer apply themselves
> to the better design of an older product (computer clients)
> whose once-expanding "sales" are now dim memories,
> due to a combination of many factors, such as
> the new generation of users, who have multiple smart devices,
> trending toward "cloud-based" services with new operating paradigms,
> plus a desire for seamless integration.
there are no plans to do it. Truly seamless use on multiple devices
means more than making sure the same accounts are on every device. What
about signatures? What about template messages? What about the dog's
breakfast of setting up IMAP so that Sent, Junk and Trash are in the
right places on different devices?
To be seamless, all of these things need to work without manual
intervention. (And yes, webmail is seamless if you are prepared to live
with the limitations it imposes.)
Secondly, "the best minds" are doing what is trendy as that is where the
big market is, and of course the notoriety/publicity/kudos. That is not
to say that there is not a market for a good e-mail client, but so far
no-one has produced one to see.
Martin-S
Aug 11, 2012, 1:45:30 PM8/11/12
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In article <usenet-DE2164....@free.teranews.com>,
matched that so far.
--
Martin
"R. Millstein" <use...@spamaway.rlm.net> wrote:
> In article <inv-4F7520.1...@news.individual.net>,
> Martin-S <i...@lid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <davidmor-9671AB...@news.internode.on.net>,
> > David Morrison <davi...@excite.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It seems that e-mail is a dying communication method.
> >
> > I don't see that happen anytime soon. What would be the alternatives in
> > your opinion?
>
> I agree that email isn't going away. As an academic, there are too many
> people who I contact and who contact me who I don't want to be "friends"
> with or to be "linked" with. Indeed, since a lot of these contacts are
> short term, but there are a great number of them, using anything other
> than email would quickly become unwieldy. I assume that there are other
> professions that are similar.
I agree. Email is fast, down to the point and personal. Nothing else has
> In article <inv-4F7520.1...@news.individual.net>,
> Martin-S <i...@lid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <davidmor-9671AB...@news.internode.on.net>,
> > David Morrison <davi...@excite.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It seems that e-mail is a dying communication method.
> >
> > I don't see that happen anytime soon. What would be the alternatives in
> > your opinion?
>
> I agree that email isn't going away. As an academic, there are too many
> people who I contact and who contact me who I don't want to be "friends"
> with or to be "linked" with. Indeed, since a lot of these contacts are
> short term, but there are a great number of them, using anything other
> than email would quickly become unwieldy. I assume that there are other
> professions that are similar.
matched that so far.
--
Martin
Peter Ceresole
Aug 11, 2012, 2:52:17 PM8/11/12
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Martin-S <i...@lid.invalid> wrote:
> I agree. Email is fast, down to the point and personal. Nothing else has
> matched that so far.
Except paper letters- and I agree with you. Email is now the best form
> I agree. Email is fast, down to the point and personal. Nothing else has
> matched that so far.
of personal communication. Barring actually meeting, of course.
--
Peter
Ian Blackburn
Aug 14, 2012, 11:49:17 PM8/14/12
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Email's not going away by a long shot, but it's pretty rare that I run into someone who even has an opinion about email clients, if they even use a client. Almost all the interns who've come into my company in the last year or so use webmail.
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