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Migrating Eudora to Mail--results
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Patty Winter
Mar 5, 2017, 9:43:29 PM3/5/17
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Yesterday I tried three different methods of migrating my email from
Eudora to Apple Mail on Snow Leopard. Here are the results:
* Eudora Mail Cleaner--this went quickly (couple of minutes, I
think). It was the only one of the three options that retained my
color coding on messages from friends, business mail, etc. However,
I don't think that Apple Mail has that concept (probably Smart
Mailboxes serve the same filtering function), so it probably
doesn't matter whether the messages are color coded or not. It
also correctly flagged most messages as "read." Attachments were
a problem. There are paper-clip icons in the attachments column in
Mail, but when I read most messages, the attachment is flagged as
missing. Even worse, the accompanying body text on those messages
is missing. Only a few attachments survived the conversion. (Yes,
the attachments are in Attachments Folder inside Eudora Folder;
I'm not talking about attachments that I had previously moved or
deleted, but ones that are still there.)
* Apple Mail--I was surprised to discover that Mail itself supports
the import of Eudora mailboxes. It took about 10 minutes, but it
worked. However, nothing showed up in the attachments column. If I
go to a message that I know had an attachment, there's a comment
at the bottom of it that the attachment is in some hidden folder
in my user library on the iMac, but clicking on that link does
nothing. The weirdest thing is that while the other methods had
a few thousand messages in my In mailbox, this direct conversion
ended up with nearly 21,000. Somehow it retrieved thousands of
messages that I had previously trashed in Eudora. Is it possible
that Eudora never actually deletes messages even when you do Empty
Trash, and thus these are still within the raw In file, unnoticed
by Eudora but captured by Mail when it imported the In file? BTW,
although this method provided the least desirable outcome, I notice
that Eudora is still listed in the Import Mailbox options even in
the current version of Mail, so it's available if needed.
* Emailchemy gave me the best results. It only took a minute or
two to read all of my Eudora mail, and most or all attachments
were handled properly. I can even view them with Mail's Quick Look
feature. I used the demo version of Emailchemy for this test, but
after I install El Capitan on my iMac, I'll purchase the software
so that I can do a full conversion.
BTW, just for kicks, I sent myself a final message from Eudora last
night. I even threw in some suggestive language so I could see the
chilies one last time. (I couldn't bring myself to use three-chili
language, but I managed to get two. :-)) It's been a wonderful email
program all of these years. Yes, I know it isn't perfect, but it's
been a real workhorse for Mac users for decades. Sorry to say goodbye
to it, but it's time to move on.
Patty
Eudora to Apple Mail on Snow Leopard. Here are the results:
* Eudora Mail Cleaner--this went quickly (couple of minutes, I
think). It was the only one of the three options that retained my
color coding on messages from friends, business mail, etc. However,
I don't think that Apple Mail has that concept (probably Smart
Mailboxes serve the same filtering function), so it probably
doesn't matter whether the messages are color coded or not. It
also correctly flagged most messages as "read." Attachments were
a problem. There are paper-clip icons in the attachments column in
Mail, but when I read most messages, the attachment is flagged as
missing. Even worse, the accompanying body text on those messages
is missing. Only a few attachments survived the conversion. (Yes,
the attachments are in Attachments Folder inside Eudora Folder;
I'm not talking about attachments that I had previously moved or
deleted, but ones that are still there.)
* Apple Mail--I was surprised to discover that Mail itself supports
the import of Eudora mailboxes. It took about 10 minutes, but it
worked. However, nothing showed up in the attachments column. If I
go to a message that I know had an attachment, there's a comment
at the bottom of it that the attachment is in some hidden folder
in my user library on the iMac, but clicking on that link does
nothing. The weirdest thing is that while the other methods had
a few thousand messages in my In mailbox, this direct conversion
ended up with nearly 21,000. Somehow it retrieved thousands of
messages that I had previously trashed in Eudora. Is it possible
that Eudora never actually deletes messages even when you do Empty
Trash, and thus these are still within the raw In file, unnoticed
by Eudora but captured by Mail when it imported the In file? BTW,
although this method provided the least desirable outcome, I notice
that Eudora is still listed in the Import Mailbox options even in
the current version of Mail, so it's available if needed.
* Emailchemy gave me the best results. It only took a minute or
two to read all of my Eudora mail, and most or all attachments
were handled properly. I can even view them with Mail's Quick Look
feature. I used the demo version of Emailchemy for this test, but
after I install El Capitan on my iMac, I'll purchase the software
so that I can do a full conversion.
BTW, just for kicks, I sent myself a final message from Eudora last
night. I even threw in some suggestive language so I could see the
chilies one last time. (I couldn't bring myself to use three-chili
language, but I managed to get two. :-)) It's been a wonderful email
program all of these years. Yes, I know it isn't perfect, but it's
been a real workhorse for Mac users for decades. Sorry to say goodbye
to it, but it's time to move on.
Patty
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Mar 5, 2017, 10:18:20 PM3/5/17
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In article <o9i73b$ovr$1...@dont-email.me>, Patty Winter
<pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
> BTW, just for kicks, I sent myself a final message from Eudora last
> night. I even threw in some suggestive language so I could see the
> chilies one last time. (I couldn't bring myself to use three-chili
> language, but I managed to get two. :-)) It's been a wonderful email
> program all of these years. Yes, I know it isn't perfect, but it's
> been a real workhorse for Mac users for decades. Sorry to say goodbye
> to it, but it's time to move on.
it sucks less than apple mail does.
>
> BTW, just for kicks, I sent myself a final message from Eudora last
> night. I even threw in some suggestive language so I could see the
> chilies one last time. (I couldn't bring myself to use three-chili
> language, but I managed to get two. :-)) It's been a wonderful email
> program all of these years. Yes, I know it isn't perfect, but it's
> been a real workhorse for Mac users for decades. Sorry to say goodbye
> to it, but it's time to move on.
Lewis
Mar 6, 2017, 6:09:03 AM3/6/17
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In message <o9i73b$ovr$1...@dont-email.me> Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
> However, I don't think that Apple Mail has that concept (probably
> Smart Mailboxes serve the same filtering function), so it probably
> doesn't matter whether the messages are color coded or not.
Mail.app can color code messages. In fact, the sample rule (if it is
> However, I don't think that Apple Mail has that concept (probably
> Smart Mailboxes serve the same filtering function), so it probably
> doesn't matter whether the messages are color coded or not.
still there by default) tagged messages from Apple with a light blue.
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Mar 6, 2017, 11:11:34 AM3/6/17
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Patty Winter
Mar 6, 2017, 2:57:44 PM3/6/17
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>* Apple Mail--
upgrade to El Capitan yesterday that I had not compressed my Eudora
mailbox before quitting Eudora for the final time. The following
(very cutely named) article points out that unless you do that,
the raw mailbox file still contains the deleted messages; they've
only been removed from the index.
http://tidbits.com/article/12382
Evidently EMC and EMA go by the index, but Apple Mail's conversion
tool imports the entire mailbox. I see that my In mailbox after
conversion by EMA is only about 1/3 of the size it was in Eudora.
So apparently EMA didn't simply ignore the deleted messages in its
new index, it outright skipped over them when converting my Eudora
mail. So they are now gone, gone, gone as they should be.
Patty
> The weirdest thing is that while the other methods had
>a few thousand messages in my In mailbox, this direct conversion
>ended up with nearly 21,000. Somehow it retrieved thousands of
>messages that I had previously trashed in Eudora. Is it possible
>that Eudora never actually deletes messages even when you do Empty
>Trash, and thus these are still within the raw In file, unnoticed
>by Eudora but captured by Mail when it imported the In file?
Yep, I think that's what happened. I realized after I started the
>a few thousand messages in my In mailbox, this direct conversion
>ended up with nearly 21,000. Somehow it retrieved thousands of
>messages that I had previously trashed in Eudora. Is it possible
>that Eudora never actually deletes messages even when you do Empty
>Trash, and thus these are still within the raw In file, unnoticed
>by Eudora but captured by Mail when it imported the In file?
upgrade to El Capitan yesterday that I had not compressed my Eudora
mailbox before quitting Eudora for the final time. The following
(very cutely named) article points out that unless you do that,
the raw mailbox file still contains the deleted messages; they've
only been removed from the index.
http://tidbits.com/article/12382
Evidently EMC and EMA go by the index, but Apple Mail's conversion
tool imports the entire mailbox. I see that my In mailbox after
conversion by EMA is only about 1/3 of the size it was in Eudora.
So apparently EMA didn't simply ignore the deleted messages in its
new index, it outright skipped over them when converting my Eudora
mail. So they are now gone, gone, gone as they should be.
Patty
David Morrison
Mar 9, 2017, 8:56:19 PM3/9/17
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> BTW, just for kicks, I sent myself a final message from Eudora last
> night. I even threw in some suggestive language so I could see the
> chilies one last time. (I couldn't bring myself to use three-chili
> language, but I managed to get two. :-)) It's been a wonderful email
> program all of these years. Yes, I know it isn't perfect, but it's
> been a real workhorse for Mac users for decades. Sorry to say goodbye
> to it, but it's time to move on.
It says a lot about Eudora that there have been a number of attempts to
> night. I even threw in some suggestive language so I could see the
> chilies one last time. (I couldn't bring myself to use three-chili
> language, but I managed to get two. :-)) It's been a wonderful email
> program all of these years. Yes, I know it isn't perfect, but it's
> been a real workhorse for Mac users for decades. Sorry to say goodbye
> to it, but it's time to move on.
make a Eudora replacement, but none have reached fruition. Steve Dorner
did such a wonderful job all those many years ago that it has not been
able to be replicated.
David
PS, I hope people drop in here from time to time to reminisce!
Patty Winter
Mar 9, 2017, 11:20:38 PM3/9/17
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In article <davidmor-CEA40F...@news.internode.on.net>,
David Morrison <davi...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>It says a lot about Eudora that there have been a number of attempts to
>make a Eudora replacement, but none have reached fruition. Steve Dorner
>did such a wonderful job all those many years ago that it has not been
>able to be replicated.
Absolutely. And I obviously wasn't the last person to give it up.
>
>It says a lot about Eudora that there have been a number of attempts to
>make a Eudora replacement, but none have reached fruition. Steve Dorner
>did such a wonderful job all those many years ago that it has not been
>able to be replicated.
Patty
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