Running NC-Verilog on RedHat Linux 8.0
Sudhir D. Kadkade
Has anybody tried to run NC-Verilog 4.0(p005) on RH-Linux 8.0?
It seems to work in batch mode, however the GUI version hangs after
displaying the splash screen. The following warning message is
printed.
Warning: Cannot convert string "-sun-serif-medium-r-normal-*-12-*" to type
FontStruct
Regards,
Sudhir
B. Joshua Rosen
I'm running it on Redhat 7.3 without any problems, however I have never
run the GUI so I wouldn't know if there are any problems with it.
Signalscan works without a hitch.
If I were you I'd get rid of 8.0 and go back to 7.3. Redhat 8.0 is a
terrible release primarily because Gnome 2.0 is simply not ready yet.
If history is any guide 8.1 will be useable and 8.2 will be solid but
8.0, like all of their .0 releases, is riddled with bugs.
Martyn Pollard
news:pan.2002.11.27.04...@polybus.com...
We have not yet announced support for Redhat 8.0. For Redhat 8.0 there are
two different streams; the Consumer(free version) and Enterprise($300). The
consumer version will continue to release every 6 months while the
Enterprise version will have a much longer support period.
So my question to Linux users is which version will you be using? Did you
even know there are two different versions of Redhat 8.0.
Martyn
--
Martyn Pollard
NCSim - High Performance VHDL/Verilog Simulation
NCVHDL, NCVerilog, Verification Cockpit
Cadence Design Systems. http://www.cadence.com/ncsim
Sign-up for the Talk Verification Newsletter
http://www.cadence.com/newsletters/newsletter.html
Srinivasan Venkataramanan
"Martyn Pollard" <m...@abccadence.com> wrote in message
news:3de7ccc0$1...@news.cadence.com...
> "B. Joshua Rosen" <bjr...@polybus.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2002.11.27.04...@polybus.com...
> > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:04:29 -0500, Sudhir D. Kadkade wrote:
> >
<SNIP>
>
> We have not yet announced support for Redhat 8.0. For Redhat 8.0 there are
> two different streams; the Consumer(free version) and Enterprise($300).
The
> consumer version will continue to release every 6 months while the
> Enterprise version will have a much longer support period.
>
> So my question to Linux users is which version will you be using? Did you
> even know there are two different versions of Redhat 8.0.
No, I didn't even know that, nevertheless I would vote for "Consumer
(free) Version".
Thanks,
Srinivasan
>
--
Srinivasan Venkataramanan
ASIC Design Engineer
Software & Silicon Systems India Pvt Ltd. - an Intel company
Bangalore, India
I don't speak for Intel
Marco Fioretti
> We have not yet announced support for Redhat 8.0. For Redhat 8.0 there are
> two different streams; the Consumer(free version) and Enterprise($300). The
> consumer version will continue to release every 6 months while the
> Enterprise version will have a much longer support period.
>
> So my question to Linux users is which version will you be using? Did you
> even know there are two different versions of Redhat 8.0.
>
I (and, AFAICT, nobody else here) knew that there was a free version of
anything Cadence (outside universities, that is).
1) Where is explained what the Consumer version has? (i.e. is it the
whole ncsim product/verification cockpit, what?)
2) Is it free for personal, non commercial use by everybody (not just
students)?
3) Answering to your question:
we (the company) would keep buying and using the commercial
version of Cadence products (because of corporate guidelines,
foundry requirements, guaranteed support, whatever) for all
our development (which is supposed to happen mostly on Linux
farms for obvious cost/performance reasons).
we (all the digital design guys in the company running Linux
at home) would install the free version at home ASAP because:
it's fun
we have another excuse to not watch TV
we can show to the family what the heck we are doing
here 50 hours/week
it's cool
OK, I think I made my point by now... What I mean is that I don't think
your traditional market would necessarily be put in danger from a
Consumer version: you can make an OS in your garage, not .13 micron
chips, so corporate customers for EDA are going to remain around, and to
require traditional SW contracts/licensing relationships
Marco Fioretti
Andrew MacCormack
>
> Martyn Pollard wrote:
> > We have not yet announced support for Redhat 8.0. For Redhat 8.0 there are
> > two different streams; the Consumer(free version) and Enterprise($300). The
> > consumer version will continue to release every 6 months while the
> > Enterprise version will have a much longer support period.
> >
> > So my question to Linux users is which version will you be using? Did you
> > even know there are two different versions of Redhat 8.0.
Do you mean that there's a free Redhat or a free Cadence toolset? I
think that its possible to read your statement either way!
-- Andrew MacCormack and...@cadence.com
-- Senior Design Engineer Phone: +44 1506 595360
-- Cadence Design Foundry http://www.cadence.com/designfoundry
-- Alba Campus, Livingston EH54 7HH, UK Fax: +44 1506 595959
Marco Fioretti
> Marco Fioretti wrote:
>
>>Martyn Pollard wrote:
>>
>>>We have not yet announced support for Redhat 8.0. For Redhat 8.0 there are
>>>two different streams; the Consumer(free version) and Enterprise($300). The
>>>consumer version will continue to release every 6 months while the
>>>Enterprise version will have a much longer support period.
>>>
>>>So my question to Linux users is which version will you be using? Did you
>>>even know there are two different versions of Redhat 8.0.
>>
>
> Do you mean that there's a free Redhat or a free Cadence toolset? I
> think that its possible to read your statement either way!
>
Ouch, right! I was hoping to hear somebody telling me that there is
a free, although limited, Cadence toolset, but probably Martyin was
referring to Consumer versus Enterprise Red Hat. Or not?
B. Joshua Rosen
Martyn,
For workstation use I think that most people will be using the standard
Redhat releases, the enterprise version is rally aimed at large corporate
servers. Also I don't think that the differences between the two versions
should make any difference to something like NC. The main differences are
the inclusion of clustering and some management tools, neither of which
will have any effect on a CAE type application. The other big difference
is the longer support period.
Martyn Pollard
Josh,
The big customers may see the small price of the enterprise version worth
paying for the longer support period. Also, the current release cycle of
Redhat means that EDA vendors need to test each new version of Linux every
few months to keep up-to-date with customers.
Martyn
Martyn Pollard
"Marco Fioretti" <Marco.F...@eri.ericsson.se> wrote in message
news:3DEB43B8...@eri.ericsson.se...
Sorry for the confusion. My comments referred to the two different versions
of Linux Redhat 8.0, consumer and enterprise.
There are no free versions of Cadence tools although Marco makes some
interesting points. I wonder how many people would really use a free
version, especially if it was line/size limited. I'll pass on your comments
to our marketing department.
Martyn
Morris Dovey
<snip>
> I wonder how many people would really use a free
> version, especially if it was line/size limited. I'll pass on your comments
> to our marketing department.
Martyn...
Since you opened that door, I'll rush in to say: "I would, provided that
it was not so severely limited as to be only a waste of disk space."
I work as an independent consultant and my normal use would be to
demonstrate feasibility of projects I propose. It's not unthinkable that
my activities could produce corporate customers that you might otherwise
do business with.
Just my two cents worth...
--
Morris Dovey
Available for consulting - Embedded/mission-critical systems
West Des Moines, Iowa USA
Sudhir D. Kadkade
Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread, especially Martyn.
I have the Personal Edition of RedHat Linux 8.0, I assumed I did
not need any of the features in the Entreprise version or the longer
support period from RedHat. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I have since been looking for a retailer who stocks ReadHat 7.3.
At the moment I haven't found any. If anyone knows a retailer on
the net (shipping to the US) or in Portland, OR, please let me know.
Regards,
Sudhir
"Martyn Pollard" <m...@abccadence.com> wrote in message
news:3deb8c5b$1...@news.cadence.com...
Marco Fioretti
> Josh,
>
> The big customers may see the small price of the enterprise version worth
> paying for the longer support period. Also, the current release cycle of
> Redhat means that EDA vendors need to test each new version of Linux every
> few months to keep up-to-date with customers.
>
> Martyn
Not necessarily. Often it is the other way around: a development starts
with one EDA SW combination simply because it was either the bare
minimum to deliver (as far as performance and/or features are concerned)
or, frequently, because they are what was already installed in that
moment.
Sarting from that, the OS is chosen which supports the EDA tool/version
actually needed, not the other way around.
Then, until that product dies (i.e. until one has to support it and
solve trouble reports from the field) it is maintained in the
environment it was born in.
Regardless of when and what the EDA/OS vendors release.
The reason is that one already has enough pressure to fix/release/
upgrade the actual *product* to introduce unneeded variables (libraries,
scripts fixing, need for new hardware, etc..) just to look
good with the greatest and latest.
The upgrade of an existing environment happens when there are really
compelling reasons ("the new configuration needs a tool/OS able to
handle 4 GB of data" - "the foundry switched to 0.12 micron process,
and their libraries are certified only for HDLthing X.Y or greater"),
and is normally signalled as a risk for the project.
Regards,
Marco Fioretti
Rudolf Usselmann
Hmm, no problem here with p001 release. Running on the
"Consumer/Free" RH 8.0 system for about two weeks now. I
do mostly use batch mode, I can however bring up nclaunch
and walk through all menus and set thins up - no hanging
here whatsoever ! Simvision works just fine as well.
Cheers,
rudi
------------------------------------------------
www.asics.ws - Solutions for your ASIC needs -
NEW ! 3 New Free IP Cores this months (so far :*)
FREE IP Cores --> http://www.asics.ws/ <---
----- ALL SPAM forwarded to: U...@FTC.GOV -----
Mike
> We have not yet announced support for Redhat 8.0. For Redhat 8.0 there are
> two different streams; the Consumer(free version) and Enterprise($300).
The
> consumer version will continue to release every 6 months while the
> Enterprise version will have a much longer support period.
>
> So my question to Linux users is which version will you be using? Did you
> even know there are two different versions of Redhat 8.0.
I didn't know. Not that it matters: Linux is an operating system, not an end
product. We will use whatever version supports our software.
Since Cadence doesn't support Linux for the tools we're using yet, we
haven't put Cadence on our Linux machines. Mentor provides full support for
our tool set today, and like Cadence, they support RH7.3. That's what we
use.
-- Mike --
Sudhir D. Kadkade
a copy of RedHat Linux7.3 from amazon.com. NC v4.00.(p005) works
fine in batch or GUI mode on this Linux.
Regards,
Sudhir
ticktack
I don't know what you guys are talking about.
Cadence does not use the libraries on your machine, why does it care
about which flavor of Linux? Nonsense.
As long as your program can load the thing into memory, and Cadence use
the right system call, X protocol, you should be all set.
TT
Kaustabh Duorah
Verilog. I wanted a
testbench method away from HDL and iverilog does not support testbuilder
which
is the only free one available.
I have been asking synopsys for free versions of Vera, and VCS but they do
not
support limited versions mainly because of admin and support issues. It
would be nice though,
specially with the its OVA stuff.
Kaustabh
Martyn Pollard <m...@abccadence.com> wrote in message
news:3deb...@news.cadence.com...
Srinivasan Venkataramanan
You may want to try JEDA (www.jeda.org), it works well with
ICARUS. I recently installed it on RH 7.3.
HTH,
Srinivasan
--
Srinivasan Venkataramanan
ASIC Design Engineer
Software & Silicon Systems India Pvt Ltd. - an Intel company
Bangalore, India
I don't speak for Intel
"Kaustabh Duorah" <ho...@hole.net.au> wrote in message
news:iKFX9.212$ni5.1...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> I would definitely use it if it was available. Now I am using Icarus
> Verilog. I wanted a
> testbench method away from HDL and iverilog does not support testbuilder
> which
> is the only free one available.
>
> I have been asking synopsys for free versions of Vera, and VCS but they do
> not
> support limited versions mainly because of admin and support issues. It
> would be nice though,
> specially with the its OVA stuff.
>
> Kaustabh
> <SNIP>