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Tile/ttk on Aero/Windows Vista Beta?

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Synic

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May 25, 2006, 5:03:04 PM5/25/06
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Hi guys.

Has anyone tried Tile/ttk on Windows Vista Beta yet?

Which ttk theme produces the most Aero-ish widgets, xpnative or
winnative or neither?

Does it all work seamlessly or were there unexpected issues?

Any other comments or thoughts?

Cheers.

Pat Thoyts

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May 27, 2006, 2:59:48 PM5/27/06
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Synic <flavp+...@nhgbaf.arg.nh> writes:

>Hi guys.
>
>Has anyone tried Tile/ttk on Windows Vista Beta yet?

Yes


>
>Which ttk theme produces the most Aero-ish widgets, xpnative or
>winnative or neither?
>
>Does it all work seamlessly or were there unexpected issues?

Aero uses a completely different themeing setup from XP for some
reason and tile doesn't yet support it. What you end up with seems
to be winnative unfortunately and it doesn't look too good.
Hopefully I'll get more time on the relevent machine in the future
to try and do somehting about this but don't hold your breath.

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Jeff Hobbs

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May 27, 2006, 6:30:47 PM5/27/06
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Pat Thoyts wrote:
>> Which ttk theme produces the most Aero-ish widgets, xpnative or
>> winnative or neither?
>>
>> Does it all work seamlessly or were there unexpected issues?
>
> Aero uses a completely different themeing setup from XP for some
> reason and tile doesn't yet support it. What you end up with seems
> to be winnative unfortunately and it doesn't look too good.
> Hopefully I'll get more time on the relevent machine in the future
> to try and do somehting about this but don't hold your breath.

A pity, but as Vista won't be out for consumer use until January 2007 at
the *earliest*, I'm not currently worried. It will be nice to address
the issue though.

It seems odd that they would break ranks with their existing theming
API, but this is Microsoft ...

Jeff

Donal K. Fellows

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May 31, 2006, 4:42:49 AM5/31/06
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Jeff Hobbs wrote:
> It seems odd that they would break ranks with their existing theming
> API, but this is Microsoft ...

Which means that the two groups that developed the two theming APIs
consist of entirely antagonistic sets of people working at opposite ends
of the campus. Hooray. 8-(

(Net effect is that Tile needs another theme and perhaps slightly more
code in the magical automatic default theme selector.)

Donal.

George Peter Staplin

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Jun 1, 2006, 12:27:45 AM6/1/06
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donal.k...@manchester.ac.uk toggled some bits and produced:

To understand the next paragraph you will need to have seen the video of
Steve Ballmer doing the monkey dance and screaming "DEVELOPERS
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!"

It seems more likely that they intentionally broke the API, and want to
convince users that programs that don't use the new theme API are old.
This causes a cycle of updates throughout the world for the masses, and
forces all developers to update to Windows Vista.

Perhaps Microsoft's Channel 9 has a different reason, but I'd doubt even
that.

-George

Michael Schlenker

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Jun 1, 2006, 6:54:38 AM6/1/06
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George Peter Staplin schrieb:

That do the same thing with other stuff for Vista, DirectX 10 for
example will not be available for XP. So its just the usual Microsoft
Lock-In Phenomenon.

Michael

Synic

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Jun 12, 2006, 1:20:39 AM6/12/06
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Pat Thoyts <cngg...@hfref.fbheprsbetr.arg> wrote:

> Synic <flavp+...@nhgbaf.arg.nh> writes:
>>Which ttk theme produces the most Aero-ish widgets, xpnative or
>>winnative or neither?
>>
>>Does it all work seamlessly or were there unexpected issues?
>
> Aero uses a completely different themeing setup from XP for some
> reason and tile doesn't yet support it. What you end up with seems
> to be winnative unfortunately and it doesn't look too good.

When you say, it doesn't look too good, does this mean it looks terrible
enough that a non-native theme like Alt would be a better bet to use
instead?

> Hopefully I'll get more time on the relevent machine in the future
> to try and do somehting about this but don't hold your breath.

No worries. I'm just glad the issue's known beforehand than later.
Thanks to everyone who's working on Tile, BTW. Even at 0.7.x, it's an
excellent toolkit.

Pat Thoyts

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Jun 12, 2006, 4:44:47 AM6/12/06
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Synic <flavp+...@nhgbaf.arg.nh> writes:

Before we all get further carried away - while I still don't know
exactly how to draw Aero themeing parts it may be that it will be
using the XP themeing interface (judging from some hints in one of the
vista documents).

I suspect when I tried this I was suffering from poor video support
Once I have some suitable hardware I'll be able to explore the 'glass'
themeing that we all expect from Aero.

To see how it looked:
http://www.patthoyts.tk/screenshots/tkchat%2dvista.jpg

That was tkchat.kit with tile 0.7.2. xpnative was disabled because it
couldn't find support fom the OS so it was using winnative.

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