when tcl-prevayler

[johannes falcone]

www.prevayler.org

cmon I wana throw away postgresql and point to something more to laugh about when loking at shops using oracle

[johannes falcone]

I hate java and am suspicious of oo programming.

but www.prevayler.org seems such a quantum leap wow

[nagu]

On Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:31:20 UTC+5:30, johannes falcone wrote:
> www.prevayler.org
>
>
>
> cmon I wana throw away postgresql and point to something more to laugh about when loking at shops using oracle

can redis (http://redis.io/) be an alternative? They do have a Tcl binding for this. However, the site (http://redis.io/clients) mentions that:

===
The client used in the Redis test suite. Not really full featured nor designed to be used in the real world.
===

Regards,
nagu.

[Eric]

But if it exists it should be fairly easy to revise and extend it -
maybe someone will will want to.

As for Redis, it's a key-value store, and it might be a good one. At
least it's not claiming to be a database.

I do not understand why Mr Falcone (or whoever he is) has such a thing
about Prevayler, which he mentions in one-line posts at almost regular
intervals. Are they paying him?

Both he and Prevayler themselves (and others) seem to be stuck on two
misconceptions:

* "we can do this and it's fast and cool so we should use it for
everything!"

* "old = bad, new = good"

The inevitable backlash against this may or may not involve a revival of
the Relational concept, but it should be fun to watch, and will
inevitably be a rediscovery of the issues which led to the creation of
relational databases in the first place.

Eric
--
ms fnd in a lbry

[nagu]

>
> But if it exists it should be fairly easy to revise and extend it -
>
> maybe someone will will want to.
>
>

I agree. The fact that they have a C-API and a Tcl binding (I have used it briefly and it works) for testing purposes proves that it can be revised.

>
> As for Redis, it's a key-value store, and it might be a good one. At
>
> least it's not claiming to be a database.
>
>

They do call it a DB and it supports logging and snapshot-ing (like prevaylor) - to go by their documentation. But I am not an expert to say that it covers all use-cases to be a robust DB though.

>
> I do not understand why Mr Falcone (or whoever he is) has such a thing
>
> about Prevayler, which he mentions in one-line posts at almost regular
>
> intervals. Are they paying him?
>
>

No comments. But, however, I dont view Mr Falcone's mails with a not-so-positive view. I view him as a well-wisher of Tcl who wants Tcl to be not just a language...but a platform providing/scaling to various applications/use-cases. To be frank, his one lines speak a lot to me.

>
> Both he and Prevayler themselves (and others) seem to be stuck on two
>
> misconceptions:
>
>
>
> * "we can do this and it's fast and cool so we should use it for
>
> everything!"
>
>
>
> * "old = bad, new = good"
>
>
>
> The inevitable backlash against this may or may not involve a revival of
>
> the Relational concept, but it should be fun to watch, and will
>
> inevitably be a rediscovery of the issues which led to the creation of
>
> relational databases in the first place.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
> --
>
> ms fnd in a lbry

I share your thoughts based on my understanding that Prevayler has not been adapted by many (or has not become popular or a standard) yet. But, it seems to be under active development....as they have new releases made up until 2013.

But, if its good... let it happen to Tcl also... is what I expect as a Tcl programmer.

Regards,
nagu.

[Arnold Snarb]

Eric wrote:
> [...]

> I do not understand why Mr Falcone (or whoever he is) has such a thing
> about Prevayler, which he mentions in one-line posts at almost regular
> intervals.

Johannes Falcone is Gavino. He does that. Just ignore him,
he'll eventually go away. For a while, anyway.


--AS

[johannes falcone]

no redis is one of the half baked nosql type databases I suspect oracle is pushing so that people forget about www.prevayler.org

its terrible

[johannes falcone]

because I am massivly interesting is super high performance computing
combined with fault tolerance
for massive scalable websites
without bothering with crap like Oracle
thats why

[johannes falcone]

Gavino the genius, correct.
6 fig net worth and great post game

[falconne...@gmail.com]

> 6 fig net worth and great post game ...
... lower-than-average IQ, personality disorder & erectile dysfunction.

Leaving him with a lot of free time and no-one to spend it with, which eventually leads to public outburst of hatred (ironically rooted in low self-esteem / self-loathing).

The really sad thing, though, is that those outbursts are unwitting (and mishappen) attempts to communicate, to approach the seemingly frightening collective of people so unlike him, unconscious cries for help.

If he only had some friends and a hobby, then, with the help of some medication, he should be able to lead almost a normal life.

[gavino_himself]

no just truth
:)
wow you took those psychology books at government school seriously lol
your mind must be really jacked
I bet you watch a lot of jon stewart and CSI

[gavino_himself]

On Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:01:20 AM UTC-7, johannes falcone wrote:
> www.prevayler.org
>
>
>
> cmon I wana throw away postgresql and point to something more to laugh about when loking at shops using oracle

www.prevayler.org is the future of computing
you heard it here first

[johannes falcone]

redis and other nosql databases are simply to distrct from prevayler and probably funded by oracle

www.prevayler.org completely repalces oracle with ACID durability, power failure? no problem, load last full image dump, then run the transaction log against that to restore all state!! DONE

die oracle DIE!

[tomás zerolo]

johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> writes:

> On Saturday, June 22, 2013 2:59:06 AM UTC-7, nagu wrote:
>> On Sunday, 16 June 2013 16:31:20 UTC+5:30, johannes falcone wrote:
>>
>> > www.prevayler.org

I think everyone knows by now. Please stop this one.

Besides (a more personal note) it's java. No chance in hell I'll be
dabbling in java in my free time. Only for a very substantial pay.
-- t

[johannes falcone]

the idea is to port it to oo tcl!!
right!!
oracle must die

[tomás zerolo]

johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> writes:

> On Monday, July 8, 2013 10:01:48 AM UTC-7, tomás zerolo wrote:
>>
>> I think everyone knows by now. Please stop this one.
>

> the idea is to port it to oo tcl!!
> right!!

I doubt that the "heavy object" model, "static type safety über alles"
of Java would map gracefully to Tcl.

Besides, after having seen some, I'm wary of object-foo mappers.

> oracle must die

towards whom do we direct our hate, then?

-- t

[DrS]

On 7/8/2013 8:47 PM, johannes falcone wrote:
>
> the idea is to port it to oo tcl!!
> right!!
> oracle must die

Imagine a wub-based startup porting prevayler and doing things with
ossweb, naviserver - it will seem awesome, and modern + fast! :-)


DrS

[EL]

DrS <drsc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Imagine a wub-based startup porting prevayler and doing things with
> ossweb, naviserver - it will seem awesome, and modern + fast! :-)

And it would replace Postgres with a tuplespace :-))

--
EL

[tomás zerolo]

And all will be noSQL and sharded and mauve and... oh, wait.
-- t

[gavino_himself]

in memory, 100s fo 1000 query a s

100k updates/s to transaction log on commodify hardware

oracle obsolete

[gavino_himself]

not tuplespace
prevayler
www.prevayler.org

[gavino_himself]

wub OR naviserver OR aolserver
+ tcl-prevaler

that be an awesome stack
if wub doesnt suck